Trade Targets + TNF Preview, Backup Options - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/24

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast 2025-09-24

Episode Theme: Trade Targets + TNF Preview, Backup Options

Overview

Today's packed episode is all about:

• Smart fantasy trade targets: who to trade for and who to trade away
• Deep-dive backup options after waivers clear
• Thursday Night Football (TNF) preview: Cardinals vs. Seahawks
• Latest NFL news, impactful injuries, and listener questions

Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright mix sharp analysis, actionable advice, and their trademark banter to help listeners win their fantasy leagues with style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Backup Options After Waivers [05:02]

• Tip: After waivers, always check who got dropped. Some managers make impatient moves and valuable players hit waivers.
• Recent most-dropped players: Russell Wilson, Jake Browning, Dak Prescott (worth stashing!), Rhamondre Stevenson (pounce if available!), Tank Bigsby, Jaden Blue, Romeo Doubs, Troy Franklin, Marvin Mims.
• Notable backup stashes:
  • Brashard Smith (Chiefs, RB) – Deep league watchlist. KC’s backfield looks unsettled. Smith has shown juice, “and it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point, they just say we got to try somebody else” (Mike, 10:42).
  • Arande Gadsden II (Chargers, TE) – Athletic rookie TE filling in for Will Dissly. If Dissly misses time, Gadsden is an intriguing deep-league stash.
  • Zach Ertz – Many leagues have dropped him. Still produced with starter QBs, “a very good play...If you are TE-needy, I think a very good pickup” (Jason, 14:35).

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NFL News & Notes [15:06]

• Terry McLaurin (Quad/Core): Seeking multiple opinions—a worrying sign. “When I get the opinion from someone that I want, that’s where I stop” (Andy, 15:36). Could miss time.
• Xavier Worthy (Chiefs, WR): Might return in a limited role, will wear a harness. “Not the best sentence for confidence, for fantasy” (Andy, 17:04).
• Atlanta QB Situation: Michael Penix Jr. will start Week 4. Kirk Cousins not close to losing job—yet.
• Injury trends: Several significant injuries shaping fantasy value and trade market.

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Main Feature: Trade Candidates

TRADE AWAY Candidates [18:44]

1. Javonte Williams (RB, Cowboys)

   • Analysis (Andy): “Javonte is my number one trade away...he has looked good, but has overperformed touchdowns. Do you believe he’s going to score 18 touchdowns? No.”
   • Schedule red flag: Green Bay, NYJ, Carolina, Washington—all tough run defenses.
   • Caveat: Still getting a lot of targets (“the fifth most at the RB position” – Mike, 23:45), but Andy thinks the Cowboys’ injuries will catch up and now is the time to maximize return.
   • “Trade away does NOT mean fire-sell. This is about getting max value.” (Mike, 24:15)

2. Jakori Croskey-Merritt ("Bill Crosky", RB, Washington)

   • Mike’s perspective: He’s been the best of the Washington backs but “zero snaps on third down, and possibly not the clear goal-line guy.”
   • Passing game non-factor: Only one catch on the year.
   • Schedule gets brutal, three-way timeshare looming: "If someone is interested in thinking Bill's going to take over...I might try to get out" (Mike, 28:30).

3. A.J. Brown (WR, Eagles)

   • Jason’s reasoning: After a monster Week 3, “I’m not trying to trade him away for pennies…you can trade him, plus somebody, and maybe elevate to go up a notch.”
   • Concerns: Inconsistent volume due to Eagles’ defense and running game—might see more “disappearing acts.”
   • Possible return: Consider trading for players with steadier week-to-week usage, like Marvin Harrison Jr. (A.J. Brown for MHJ straight up? Hosts would.)
   • “A.J. Brown’s consistency score is not going to be great because there’ll be disappearing acts” (Andy, 32:36).

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TRADE FOR Candidates [33:12]

1. Garrett Wilson (WR, Jets)

   • Mike’s case: Sometimes you have to buy high. He’s the clear #1 option, heavily targeted, “percentage of team receiving yards, first read targets... right there with Puka and JSN.”
   • Usage change: Now running fewer low-percentage go routes, which fits his (and his QBs') skill set better.
   • Rosy schedule: “One of the easiest WR slates from here out, with juicy fantasy playoff matchups” (Mike, 35:42).
   • “Everything about Garrett Wilson right now screams he’s going to be a top 12 WR at the end of the year.” (Mike, 35:48).

2. Ashton Jeanty (RB, Raiders)

   • Andy's pitch: Buy low “bell cow” whose usage has stayed high despite low production. Raiders O-line has been brutal, but “it’s hard to find true every-down backs.”
   • Encouragement: “Jeanty is making the very most of a really difficult situation… I am actively looking to pick up Ashton Jeanty” (Andy, 39:28).
   • Hosts debate: No disagreement on talent, but Jason wonders if frustrated managers are ready to bail yet (40:46).

3. Josh Jacobs (RB, Packers)

   • Jason: “His usage is elite; only Saquon and Jacobs have 40% of rush attempts AND team targets in all three games.”
   • Production hasn’t matched opportunity—yet. Tough matchups (DEN, CLE) behind him, and easy schedule ahead (DAL, CIN, ARI, PIT, CAR).
   • “Josh Jacobs rest of season is a top five RB.” (Jason, 45:07).

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Thursday Night Football Preview: Seahawks at Cardinals [46:25]

• Vegas line: Seahawks -1.5 | O/U: 43.5
• Key injuries: James Conner out for season; Trey Benson gets the nod. “Good RB2 play this week” (Mike, 47:39).
• WR drama:
  • Marvin Harrison Jr.: “A buy low right now—negativity way overblown due to a couple of drops” (Jason, 49:10). Mike offered Zay Flowers for Marv; debate ensues.
  • Other WRs: Cooper Kupp (Rams) vs. Torrey Horton—prefer Kupp as a spot start, but Horton’s bench appeal growing (Jason, 52:24).
• Trey McBride (Cardinals, TE): “Leading all TEs in target share. Seattle is dead last vs. TE—keep playing him” (Mike, 51:08).
• Seattle RBs: Kenneth Walker is an easy start. Charbonnet (backup) is healthy, but not recommended.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you’re going to get the maximum value for Javonte, this would be the time.” – Andy (21:12)
• “Trade away does not mean fire-sell. This is an opportunity to see who will give you maximum value.” – Mike (24:15)
• “Brashard Smith is a name you need to pay attention to. Bless you, Jason.” [Jason sneezing event, multiple call-backs] (10:34, 12:27)
• “His core is not his real problem.” – Andy, on Terry McLaurin’s injury mystery (16:45)
• “Sometimes, you gotta buy a big-boy stock.” – Mike, on trading for Garrett Wilson (33:16)
• “You are definitely getting a trade offer in your inbox.” – Mike, after Jason says he’d swap A.J. Brown for Marvin Harrison Jr. (31:32)
• [On Ken Walker/Jeanty]: “He’s been hit at or behind the line of scrimmage on 57% of his attempts… It’s the challenge; the talent should overrule.” – Andy (40:11)
• “The schedule’s pretty brutal. Four of the next five on the road.” – Andy, about Washington’s RB timeshare (28:28)
• “If you ever insult me, that’s when he scores! That’s how it works!” – Andy on Jameson Williams (57:33)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:02 – Backup Options segment: Key drops/stashes
• 08:49 – Deep dive: CJ Stroud’s real-life and fantasy struggles
• 14:05 – TE Stashes: Gadsden, Ertz
• 15:13 – Injury News: McLaurin, Worthy, Atlanta QBs
• 18:44 – Trade Away segment: Javonte, Bill Crosky, A.J. Brown
• 33:12 – Trade For segment: Garrett Wilson, Ashton Jeanty, Josh Jacobs
• 46:25 – TNF Preview: Seahawks at Cardinals
• 53:30 – Mailbag: Start/sit QB & WR dilemmas, Debo vs. Quentin Johnston

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Listener Mailbag [53:30]

• Start/Sit: Baker Mayfield vs. Daniel Jones – Consensus for Daniel Jones thanks to volume, rushing, and a great Rams matchup (54:19).
• Start/Sit: Jameson Williams or Brian Thomas Jr.? – Jason: “It’s Brian Thomas Jr.—you can’t go away from the amount of targets B.T.J. is getting...”
• Trade: Debo Samuel or Quentin Johnston? – Split feelings; Andy prefers Debo, Mike and Jason side with the upside and usage of Johnston.

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Recap & Actionable Takeaways

• After waivers, scour your league for dropped value.
• Javonte Williams, A.J. Brown, Bill Crosky—now is the peak time to get max return in a trade.
• Target high-upside buy-lows (Ashton Jeanty, Garrett Wilson) and established workhorses (Josh Jacobs) before their situation and box scores improve.
• Don’t panic on stars like Marvin Harrison Jr.—drops and down games create buy windows.
• Injuries and depth chart shifts (Trey Benson, Brashard Smith, Gadsden) are opportunities to stash lottery tickets, especially in deeper leagues.

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Hosts’ Tone:
Conversational, humorous, opinionated, but always supportive of “play your way” and don’t panic. They bring statistics, film review, and realistic context to fantasy analysis, making it actionable and fun.

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For those who missed the episode:
This show delivered a treasure trove of actionable trades, clever waiver moves, and sharp TNF preview analysis with the familiar Footballers mix of expert knowledge and personality. If you want to win your league, these are the trade conversations you need for Week 4 and beyond!

Transcript

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

More of a jungle. All right, we've got a trade episode today. Thursday night preview, NFL News, backup options and some mailback. That's a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Jam packed.

[Andy Holloway]

Jam packed. We also have a current leader in the Megalo Bowl, Sweet Pickens. Sweet Pickens is in the lead with 472 points right now.

[Jason Moore]

Sweet. 472 points.

[Mike Wright]

Sweet pickens. I hope you got George Pickens on your roster. It seems like a name like that. I mean, George Pickens, the opportunity for him to secure the bag.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's gone up.

[Mike Wright]

It is in front of him. I mean, if he has.

[Andy Holloway]

Think about that.

[Mike Wright]

If he has three to four weeks of okay, can you be the number one guy? If he goes out and balls out, he will earn himself so much money.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's a really good point. And we get a. We got to watch it all on Sunday Night Football.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, are they?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Nice. Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry. I was reacting to Mr.

[Mike Wright]

Walking. Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Speaking of golf, the. So you're talking about 470 points for the Megalobol leader right now?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And I'm crush. I'm crushing in Megalobol in my league. I'm six and oh, I've got more points than everybody and I'm like just below 400 points. I was like, what place does that put me in? I am in 1000. 20th place.

[Mike Wright]

Tough stuff in the megalov streets, man.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not in the top thousand.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

That's crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but you're undefeated.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. So far so good.

[Andy Holloway]

And there's a long way to go, so reminder, you can follow us on x at the FF Ballers. Watch the show YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. It's a good chance to get over there. Click subscribe. Click that bell. Be notified when we're live over on YouTube as well. And if you have a moment, we always appreciate your reviews over on Spotify or Apple, wherever you're listening. If you have a minute and you want to help the podcast, drop us a five star review and we would appreciate it. Time to jump in.

[Jason Moore]

Backup options presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we have another addition of backup options. We just had all of the waiver wire. You know, all the waiver wire players were just picked up in all of our leagues this morning right before we started the show. We always remind you after waiver wires go through, we like to say drop it like it's hot. Take a look at your waivers and who was let go and maybe you can pick up a steal of somebody that got frustrated and shouldn't have dropped somebody. So most dropped players right now on Sleeper over the last 24 hours. Russell Wilson, I don't care. Jake Browning, don't care that much. Dak, I think he is somebody you could stash if you. If you need to.

[Mike Wright]

I think so, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

The next four weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Green Bay, tough matchup but without cd, you're not going to play them anyways.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. In New York, Jets, Carolina, Washington, the next three. There is a chance, I mean with the. I'm not currently up to date like what the bi week situation is for over those, you know, not this week but then the Next three. But you will need quarterback options. And then. And I would stash Dak. If he were on our waivers, I would have. I would have stashed him immediately.

[Andy Holloway]

Top six drops right now at running back. You tell me if you want them on your team. Dylan Sampson. No, Najee.

[Mike Wright]

Not possible.

[Andy Holloway]

Why did I read that name?

[Jason Moore]

I'm not sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

I wouldn't pick him up.

[Andy Holloway]

Ramon Dre.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, definitely.

[Mike Wright]

I would pick him without a doubt. Yeah, I would pick him up with so, so many doubts.

[Andy Holloway]

Tank Bigsby. Yeah, you don't need him. Kyle Manongai.

[Mike Wright]

I'd stash menung guy and then Jaden Blue.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably. No, probably doesn't matter. He's too far removed.

[Jason Moore]

Not at all. I mean if Javante went down, then you might pick up Jaden Blue. But the starter would be Miles Sanders.

[Andy Holloway]

Romeo Dobbs, who could bounce back.

[Mike Wright]

I would not drop Dobbs.

[Andy Holloway]

People did. They already did. Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims after a disappointing week. I'd rather have Franklin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I get Franklin immediately.

[Andy Holloway]

Jaden Higgins there is fine. There's not really a path. There just isn't. I mean now you got Christian Kirk.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And then you've got him in Hudson's.

[Jason Moore]

Way ahead of him.

[Mike Wright]

I mean like Higgins.

[Andy Holloway]

They can't. They're horrible offense.

[Mike Wright]

Higgins had his chance to try and steal that starting job, but he did not take it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they cannot pass the football.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

C.J. stroud is a whole discussion.

[Mike Wright]

He is. Did you see? I shared it in our slack. The. The Anthony Richardson v CJ Stroud numbers over the past 15 games or whatever it was.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't remember what that was.

[Jason Moore]

This is good. Mike, you got a problem?

[Mike Wright]

Let me give me. Okay, I got it. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Richardson probably hasn't played 15.

[Mike Wright]

This was in 15 career starts for Richardson.

[Andy Holloway]

So he did play 15.

[Mike Wright]

This was a tweet from John Dick Davis from Colts report Anthony Richardson and 15 career starts. Now it's of course very dumbed down but 8 and 7 record, so winning record. 21 total touchdowns, 13 interceptions. CJ Stroud and his last 15 starts, 6 and 9. 15 total touchdowns, 12 interceptions.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not. He's actually not playing good football.

[Mike Wright]

No, he is not.

[Andy Holloway]

And we've done all of the blaming of other things so far. Like the offensive line, the fact that Tank Dell and Stefan Diggs went out and you know, like he has. He's got weapons now.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. So I went back yesterday and I watched every snap from Stroud, every passing snap from Stroud. I should Say, because I wanted to know for Dynasty on the Dynasty podcast, how did he look? Because he's been terrible. He's been objectively bad and I feel like he doesn't have weapons. He had Nico out there who had had a drop or two, had a bomb touchdown. Stroud to me looked like he is still good, but he doesn't run the ball. His offensive line is many pieces away from being. They are tremendously bad. And outside of Nico, there just felt like there was no running game, no running back to dump the ball off to.

[Andy Holloway]

How fast did Dalton Schultz look?

[Jason Moore]

Dalton Schultz was like a locomotive getting started rolling and then caught the ball. And then they.

[Andy Holloway]

Prior's confirmed.

[Mike Wright]

They are. They're not using motion, they're not using play action.

[Andy Holloway]

They don't have a running. They don't have a running game.

[Mike Wright]

You could still play action. It still works.

[Andy Holloway]

But I mean, it would help if Joe Mixon was there. This would be a better offense by a lot.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Travis Hunter frequently dropped. Maybe he's somebody you could pick up and stash.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I said, I think I said yesterday that he is so close to being dropped, but I wouldn't drop him just yet.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the fact he had six or more targets the first two weeks, you could hold him and wait and see. Evan Ingram, Harold Fannin don't. I mean, Harold Fannin is.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not dropping Fannin.

[Andy Holloway]

They played Green Bay and he had a big play called back on a penalty. So there you go. Let's look at some other backup options that we think are beyond what got picked up on waivers that might be worth a stash.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I will jump in because mine is for. We got our friends and our listeners who running in deep leagues. So this is a deep league pickup, but it's something that I think should be paid attention to. The Kansas City Chiefs running backs have been bad, objectively bad. And will that improve? That is tbd. But in the meantime, if you're in a deep league, Burchard Smith is a name you need to pay attention to. Bless you, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Over there, I was muted, but it.

[Andy Holloway]

Was a big one.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not muted. And.

[Mike Wright]

Smith, he's. He's a seventh round pick. So the, the odds are already low. But the situation, you know, the situation with Pacheco, he's running the wrong direction on plays, causing fumbles. Kareem Hunt is so past his prime. I'm just saying we, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point they just say we got, we got to try Somebody else.

[Andy Holloway]

I actually, I actually completely agree with this because they.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, got you with the deep stash. Nice.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I think I was thinking about it during the game when I saw Rashad Smith out there briefly and I.

[Mike Wright]

Was like, he has juice.

[Andy Holloway]

I was like, this team is not. They're not going to be patient with like a completely unproductive running game. There's a reason Pacheco ever got snaps.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a reason that we've seen different lower tier running backs get opportunities. Jerick McKinnon had a resurgence of his career in Kansas City. Like Tyquan Thornton is another example. Like, whether it's Brashard Smith or literally another back off of the waiver wire, they're going to run out of patience if they keep losing ball games and cannot have a productive running game in any capacity.

[Mike Wright]

So we've seen like Clyde Edwards Allaire had first round draft pedigree and he got, I think two years or so because of that draft capital. And then they were like, hey, Pacheco, you have juice. Show us what you can do.

[Andy Holloway]

So just kind of going back to the sneeze. Jason muted your.

[Jason Moore]

You mean I muted my.

[Andy Holloway]

But it was a very voluminous sneeze.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like pretty loud.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And we're flanking you right on both sides. And so apparently we got like a really good stereo mix of the sneeze. Is that right?

[Jason Moore]

Must sound really good in a car.

[Andy Holloway]

And so like Al's like, oh, gosh. Why are you talking about this? Because I was gonna totally get that sneeze. Wiped out of the recording.

[Mike Wright]

Nah.

[Andy Holloway]

But now who dare to stay? Who doesn't want a stereo sneeze?

[Mike Wright]

I want. I want people in their cars to feel like it hit him in the face.

[Jason Moore]

My brain.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a pretty, like, quick draw. Bless you too. You're like, I got to stop this sneeze with the bless you.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like now you should just unmute my mic. Let it go through.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, that's on the.

[Jason Moore]

You can do that in post.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. Arande Gadson.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Who is the second? He is. The second is his dad was a tight end.

[Mike Wright]

And I mean, we're bringing you some nasty boys.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a tight end for the Chargers.

[Jason Moore]

His dad played in six NFL seasons primarily for the Dolphins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he had a nice one handed catch. Did you see that one? Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Do you know who his dad is? Who?

[Andy Holloway]

Arande Gadson's dad's dad is also known as his grandfather. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Pioneering Texas sausage maker, Orange Holloway. Now you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, so you've.

[Mike Wright]

I thought we were going to get like a three layers of football.

[Jason Moore]

This is a sausage maker.

[Mike Wright]

Orange is. So they went from Orange Orange.

[Andy Holloway]

They went from Holloway to Gadsden.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. They're like Holloway so bad. We've got to go to Gadson.

[Andy Holloway]

Holloway's associated with the sausage making. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that.

[Jason Moore]

You're welcome. We go deep.

[Andy Holloway]

Please return to sneezing now. But he was a fifth round pick. He had a nice debut in place of Will Disley for the Chargers. If Disley was to miss more time. Seven targets, five for 46 athletic. We've actually only had like three tight ends in the last 15, 20 years that are day three tight ends that have caught five or more passes in the first game. He's got the pedigree. So pay attention. We're like, we're giving you the deep stashes in this backup options.

[Jason Moore]

And mine is not that deep of a stash, but it's someone who was cut in a lot of leagues. I personally had him, played him two weeks ago. Zach Ertz cut him this last week for Mark Andrews because I needed those points.

[Mike Wright]

And you are the Mark Andrews whisperer.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And you know it was going to be Marcus Mariota and now you need to pick Zach Ertz back up. He's a very good play. He was the tight end two before this last week. If you know if he's got his starting quarterback, you're probably without Terry McLaurin almost certainly right now.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

So this is a very used necessary weapon that has been good. Is looked at the goal line and he was. He's on the majority of waivers. So Zach Ertz, if you are tight end needy. I think a very good pickup. And honestly without McLaurin now, I'm willing to play him with Mariota, but if Jaden Daniels comes back, it's even better.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. We gave you three names and that was backup options. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote [e-mail] Time to talk news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Mike Wright]

Very, very petite news section today.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we don't have a lot, but we do have some important news. Wide receiver news. I mean, let's start with Terry McLaurin. Doesn't sound great. Seeking additional opinions. I can tell you this. In my life, when I get the opinion from someone that I want, that's where I stop.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I was gonna ask.

[Andy Holloway]

I stopped there. I do not seek additional opinions. If I walk in the door, has anyone Ever.

[Jason Moore]

Has anyone ever gone to a doctor, got great news and then been like, I need more?

[Andy Holloway]

No. The second opinion is never like, maybe it's worse. Like, Jason, I walk in the room, I go, do I look nice? You go, yeah, I'm not looking for other opinions.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

You tell me I don't look that good. I'm going to find some other. Some other people. Terry McLaurin getting additional opinions on his injured quad. The concern that I'm seeing is that they're not 100% sure it's quad versus core muscle.

[Jason Moore]

I did see that, which was really weird to me. I saw that and it's like, oh, this could be a core muscle. But isn't that, like. Isn't your core like, above your hips? How can you confuse that?

[Mike Wright]

I always thought your core would. Your core is like just under the nips and then it goes down to like, a little, like, mid thigh. It's your core.

[Jason Moore]

It must be the hips. If you can't.

[Mike Wright]

A little bit below the hips.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Okay. Well, below the hips makes sense then.

[Andy Holloway]

Anyways, not a doctor. He's getting additional opinions on the quad. He could miss his.

[Mike Wright]

Terry, give me a call. I'll give him an opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think his real issue is where his core is. Oh, I think he just wants to know what the injury is, but you never know. Chiefs are optimistic Xavier Worthy will be able to play a limited role in the offense while wearing a small harness. It's just not the best sentence for confidence, for fantasies.

[Jason Moore]

Now, we had talked about, like, when. When Worthy comes back. He's so needed right now. You mean you just watch these Chiefs and see Patrick Mahomes running because he doesn't have someone to throw the ball to and you want to plug Worthy right in. This is actually a really good report because it's going to stop people from doing that. It's going to stop people from the first week he's back, throwing him in a lineup, thinking, maybe you can get something deep. Maybe you can get a bunch of little ding a duck screens and PPR leagues. Like, he's not going to get enough work his first game back if it's soon.

[Andy Holloway]

Falcons head coach. This is now something we say. So that tells you where we're at with Atlanta. Falcons head coach Raheem Morris said Michael Pinnicks will start week four.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, goodness gracious.

[Jason Moore]

You got to answer that question with. I'm not answering that question. We have a quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

He said Kirk lost his job last year. We're not even close to that with Mike. He had a bad game. So there you go. I mean, he did have a bad game. No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

That's just. It's upsetting by the media.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it is a little bit better. Yeah. It's not. I mean it's the inevitable question every time you. This is what? Not trading Kirk. This is why I thought Kirk was 100% traded.

[Mike Wright]

Because you had to get rid of this.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I didn't want this to happen to them in week four is you can't have the player sitting back behind.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But then they overvalued Kirk Cousins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance quote today progressive.com progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. I told you we had a trade episode. Let's do it.

[Jason Moore]

Let's talk trades.

[Andy Holloway]

Three trade four players. Three trade away players. That is what we're going to cover today. Before we get into the Thursday night preview. Do you, do you have a preference? Do we want to talk about trade aways before we talk about the trade fours?

[Jason Moore]

Sounds like you do.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

It sounded like it.

[Andy Holloway]

It sounded that way.

[Jason Moore]

So let's do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Who do you want to trade away right now? Who do you think the best trade away candidate is? Because I got a name that I don't know if either of you guys will agree with.

[Mike Wright]

Then you start.

[Jason Moore]

I do not agree with yours. So why don't you start?

[Andy Holloway]

Javante Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Javante Williams is my number one trade away candidate and unfortunately there is always like a direct correlation between trade away and I think you're bad at football. I'm not trying to make that case. I think Javante has surpassed expectations. I think he has looked good sans one fumble slash handing the ball off to Chicago. I mean he has looked really, really good. Now he has scored three touchdowns. Do you believe in the Dallas offensive line?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you believe that they have the same threat in the passing game without CD Lane?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you believe he's going to score 18 touchdowns?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, those are the three.

[Jason Moore]

Do you believe you can trade him like someone believes that they're going to, that he's going to score 18 touchdowns?

[Andy Holloway]

I think because we're at that point now where the kind of inclinations and the first impressions have given way to more established opinions and I think that that's the reason this segment is showing up on heading into week four and I think Javante Williams has gotten a ton of deserved praise, but I think this is a turning point for the Dallas and the Dallas situation. They have a very difficult schedule throughout. I mean they have Green Bay coming up. I don't think Green Bay is going to be a great game for Javante Williams. They just had more offensive line injuries. You know, it always comes down to what you can get for them. But the running back position has been very, very scarce, very difficult to find any production. If you were a team that drafted RJ Harvey or Travion Henderson, Ashton Genti, who we'll talk about, you are hurting. Javante has represented tremendous production and he's highly ranked. So to me, you know, this is your moment. If you're going to get a maximum value out of Javante, this would be the time.

[Jason Moore]

I think you are right that you're going to get your max for him right now. That part I agree with. And honestly for your playstyle, Andy, you're a, you know, a mile a minute trader in the leagues that you play in. This is perfect. This is day trading. This is like you recognize that these next couple weeks, you know, going playing against the Packers. Here's the next two injured linemen and no CD Lamb. It's not going to be a great.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the next four. Green Bay is the number one team against the running back position. Then it's the jets who are 12th, Carolina is sixth, Washington is eighth.

[Jason Moore]

Carolina is not a good run defense. Maybe the first couple weeks this exact.

[Andy Holloway]

Same thing happened with them. You know, we've seen this with teams that are not great defenses. I mean it's not like Bijan blew up on them last week. Right now they're giving up the sixth least fantasy points. That's all I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

The my, my pause to move Javante away is that it is not just a, an overwhelming efficiency on the ground. Like he is so important to the offense right now. And the targets of week two, seven targets, week three, five targets like that, it those, those types of numbers. For someone who is also getting the bulk of the carries, it can be pretty difficult to find. So I, I agree with the sentiment that you're going to see. You'll see a dip in value of Javante after this upcoming week because it's probably going to be pretty tough. But at the same time, like if. Well, because CD Lamb's not going to play. Is Javante going to see another seven targets in that matchup and he might just half or full point PPR his way into Being an okay type of performance.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I like the target totals.

[Mike Wright]

Those are.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't like the yardage on the targets.

[Mike Wright]

Really high for.

[Andy Holloway]

It feels more like a Chuba situation in the passing game. 5 for 16 last year.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe what's so difficult with Javante is coming out of college that was something he could do. Like that was a part of his profile. Chuba is just. That's never been part of his game as a running back. Javante was a fully well rounded running back who just had his entire career derailed by a knee injury that he couldn't seem to bounce back from. And through three weeks it looks like he has bounced back finally.

[Jason Moore]

We saw last year, last year, you know, Javante had a ton of work in the past game 70 targets ended up with 346 yards. I think that's he will get a lot of PPR value but not so.

[Mike Wright]

Right now he has the fifth most targets at the running back position. That's a tough one.

[Andy Holloway]

He Chuba has a higher yards per catch career wise than Javante does. That's all I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm saying he's going to get the targets but it's not necessarily going to be the big plays. And so I do think it's the opportune time to trade him because I don't think, like I said, I don't think that their offensive line that is getting weaker is good. I think he's not scoring 18 times and I think that this Dallas offense is really going to struggle for a long period of time.

[Mike Wright]

So I think a just a quick reminder for everyone. Trade away does not mean fire sell these players.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct?

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

No, this is an opportunity to see who will give you maximum value.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we'll take a break and come back with your two tradeaway candidates. And I'm really sad about Mike's.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

All.

[Andy Holloway]

Right, two more tradeaway candidates. Then we'll get into our trade four names. But you know, I teased it before the break. Mike, I don't like it. Sure, I probably agree with it, but more like secretively like I don't want to publicly agree.

[Mike Wright]

I gotcha. We'll go. We'll just, we'll start it with this. He still is extremely exciting. Jakori Crosky Merit AKA Bill Crosky. Oh no, James, you don't got one for me today?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I didn't know we were telling.

[Mike Wright]

You didn't know I was talking about Bill Crosky.

[Andy Holloway]

You're supposed to have one.

[Mike Wright]

You didn't know we were telling jokes.

[Jason Moore]

He could get a Big Mac from Burger King.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you. I think that his name still carries some, some value, some trade value. Of all the guys out of Washington, he is the one that I would want. So again, this is not a fire sell of Bill Crosky, but there are some things that I don't like. Zero snaps on third down. Like he. He's probably not going to be anything when it comes to the receiving game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. How many catches does he have on the year, do you know?

[Mike Wright]

Is it zero? It's probably zero.

[Andy Holloway]

It's one.

[Mike Wright]

Oh it's one.

[Andy Holloway]

One catch for five yards.

[Mike Wright]

Like he.

[Andy Holloway]

That sucks.

[Mike Wright]

He has. When he's getting opportunities, he's looking good. But it's just, it's strange right. Of Chris Rodriguez from a healthy scratch for multiple weeks to two of the first drives. Perhaps it was a make good with. With Rodriguez. I. That's to be determined. The biggest thing with that for Bill that I'm concerned about is while he has to. He has to play his way into being the main guy. His schedule is rough like Atlanta right now. I know last week was a disaster but like they're, they're good against, they've been good against running backs. The Chargers, Chicago. You do have to. Plus matchups at least based off of how defenses are playing right now. You have Dallas in four weeks but then. And then Kansas City, that's. I don't know if they'll be able to. I think Kansas City will turn it around but then after that it just, it even. It shuts down even more. So while we're only three weeks in and you don't want to make concrete decisions about schedule and who defenses are at this point got us kind of start making some decisions about how things are trending and for the trend of the Washington running backs being a three person timeshare with the schedule. I think I would try to get out if I could.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you think if he has, you think what would turn it for him would be a couple of big runs? Do you think if he had like a, you know, 65 yard touchdown run or a big play that he would start to force their hand a little bit in the running game?

[Mike Wright]

I would think so. But that also happened in week one. You had, I mean the very nice touchdown run that he had. And then at as they were closing out the game, he was the one who broke off a huge carry that like essentially ended the game. And then he was rewarded the next week against Green Bay with four carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Their schedule's pretty brutal.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Four out of five games on the.

[Mike Wright]

Road coming up and it's like after, you know, so then, so after Kansas City, Seattle, Detroit, then after the bye week, Denver, Minnesota, a game against Philadelphia, right in the middle of your fantasy playoffs. He's just, he's a player that you don't have to trade. But if someone is interested in thinking that Bill's going to take over and be the main guy for Washington, I might try and get out because the passing work is. The passing work freaks me out. And we still don't know if he will definitely be the goal line guy over Chris Rodriguez.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason, you said thank you for your service. Six for 109 and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I got a sweet trade offer for this guy in league of record immediately.

[Jason Moore]

I have been trying to unload my trade away player, AJ Brown, who is.

[Andy Holloway]

You're trying to capitalize on the big week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean he's awesome. He obviously hasn't lost anything as a player. You saw that this last week. Breaking tackle, stepping over guys, Mawson guys, 100 yards a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Can't tell if we're getting pitched right now.

[Jason Moore]

No, I mean, but this is, this is the pitch. This is. I'm not trying to trade him away for pennies on the dollar. I'm trying to trade him away.

[Andy Holloway]

Drake London. Would you rather have Drake London? Yeah, that situation sucks too.

[Jason Moore]

Drake London situation sucks. I think you should be able to get Drake London plus something with how bad he's played, he has not had the career, is not on the offense A.J. brown is on. He's not coming off of a good performance. So in most leagues I would think it would be, you know, Drake London plus something and that's the type of deal that I would be looking to make. Obviously there's, there's a lot of context in every league as to, you know, is this a keeper league is this, you know, more nuanced. But A.J. brown scares me. From a Philadelphia Eagles perspective, their defense and their running game is so doggone good that they don't always need them. We saw that the first couple of weeks, and I think you're going to have a lot of disappearing acts. So this is where I'm just saying, because he just had a monster game, you know, a lot of people saw him looking like himself. He's obviously A.J. brown. He carries a humongous name. You feel good with him on your roster if you can trade him for someone that is, you know, more up.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, would you trade him for Keenan Allen?

[Jason Moore]

I would not trade him for Keenan Allen. I think that Keenan Allen. What you've seen from lad McConkey has been very disappointing. I think that'll pinpaw back and forth between. Between Keenan Allen and Ladd McConkey.

[Andy Holloway]

You trade him for Marvin Harrison.

[Jason Moore]

I mean that. So these are the type of players where I'm looking to trade. If I'm. If I'm going down, if I'm going to another disappointing player, I'm looking to get them. Plus something. Marv. Plus something.

[Andy Holloway]

Abuka.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you trade him for a Buka straight up.

[Jason Moore]

Straight up for a Buca? I think I would. What's that?

[Mike Wright]

You are definitely getting a trade offer in your.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I'd rather have a Buka.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I would trade him.

[Andy Holloway]

With the injury to Evans, I would.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would trade him for a Buca straight up.

[Andy Holloway]

You can decline it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there you go. I also think that I dare you to send that he's a great name, then I take the offer.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that'd be the.

[Jason Moore]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

That would be the most amazing.

[Mike Wright]

I'll go show you how fast I declined this offer.

[Jason Moore]

Except. Gotcha, sucker. That's how I trade. But he's also someone that, coming off of a big game with a big name, you can trade him plus something to maybe elevate, to maybe go up a notch.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. You throw A.J. brown plus somebody that, you know, maybe a younger player. A.J. brown plus Keon Coleman. A.J. brown plus. And try to flower.

[Jason Moore]

Try to go, you know, to someone that is looking like, hey, he's going to be a stud this year and it's okay because I'm giving you a stud in A.J. brown. A.J. brown's going to have tons of great games just like he did this week. I am not calling AJ Brown a bust on the season, but I think it will be a very.

[Andy Holloway]

If you.

[Jason Moore]

If you Offer me his consistency score is not going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Because there'll be disappearing acts. If you offer me Jonathan Taylor and A.J. brown for a book, I'll still turn it down, I promise.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

All right. I'm going to. I'll make the offer if you want.

[Andy Holloway]

To send that through. All right, let's talk about some trade for candidates. How about that?

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. For a moment there, I genuinely thought, Mike, you had put Javante Williams in as your name. And I was like, we really got to get talking about what we're doing on the show here for a second.

[Mike Wright]

No, I can start. Because the generous trade offer that I received from Jason was for my player.

[Andy Holloway]

Which is a trade for player. So he was trying to do what?

[Mike Wright]

Also my second round pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was looking for Garrett Wilson. Plus.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, my trade for. Sometimes you have to buy players high. That is part of the game. We all want to trade for players when they're the lowest in value and see them skyrocket. We all want to buy a penny stock, but sometimes you got to buy a big boy stock. And I think that Garrett Wilson is here to stay. He is currently the wide receiver. Nine on the season. Yeah. In terms of, I mean, these are.

[Andy Holloway]

The trade for is Garrett Wilson.

[Mike Wright]

My trade for is Garrett Wilson. Now target share, percentage of team receiving yards, percentage of first read targets. Like he is right there with Puka and jsn. Of course his quarterback play is not the same as those guys, but if you don't have the quarterback play, you better have an amazing amount of opportunity. And then Kyle was digging in and you know, part of our concern with, with say Marv, we're not getting any layups, you know, and that was part of Garrett Wilson's problem too. You know, from 2022 through 24, he was running a go route, which is, you know, very valuable if you catch the ball, but low percentage odds that you're. You're going to come down with it. In the mid-20s through three weeks, he's only running a go route on 7% of his routes, which to me, when you pair that with the quarterback play, that is good management. That is, I need to make sure that my best player is around my quarterback and can get the ball and then he can make something happen. So I'm very in on Garrett Wilson being good for fantasy football remainder. Regardless of if it's Tyrod or Justin Fields, I think either of them will have the ability to get it done. He'll have some down weeks like he did week two. Absolutely. But the way that they're utilizing him, I think that it is more here to stay than it has been in the past for Garrett Wilson. And on top of that, his schedule is quite juicy. You know, I warned about making, you know, concrete things about the schedule, but again, trends right now where it stands, I think the jets are the fourth or fifth easiest wide receiver schedule moving forward and then his fantasy playoffs, as people like to talk about it, at Jacksonville, at New Orleans and then against the New England Patriots. These, those are three juicy matchups. Maybe Gonzalez will probably be back for New England by then, but that is looking pretty good along with the rest of his schedule, his utilization, his market share. Everything about Garrett Wilson right now screams that he is going to be a top 12 wide receiver at the end of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

How do you feel about Justin Fields in the long term?

[Mike Wright]

I think I like him. I think that it is. It is worth going and getting him that. Week two was terrible and you had the concussion, but there will be huge, huge spike weeks, I still believe for Justin Fields.

[Andy Holloway]

I also made. I meant to ask this during the AJ Brown conversation, but where are you guys now with the Tush push three weeks into this season?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I mean, I've shared it in. I think it was week two that it. I want to defend it because when I look at it as it's just a play we can't stop, then you sound like a coward. But the amount that they are doing it and the amount that they are getting away with offside or false starts is like, you can't, you can't keep doing this and you can't make the refs call a false start every single time you're doing the play. I think that's kind of the part of their shtick is like, okay, go ahead, call it. Every single time. I dare you to try and do that. People will be so mad about the product that they just don't do it.

[Jason Moore]

So I can't wait to watch it this week, man.

[Mike Wright]

It will be gone.

[Jason Moore]

You see who Tampa bay signed?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, 490 pounds.

[Jason Moore]

Desmond Watson to the practice squad. Yeah, baby.

[Mike Wright]

They're going with the big goalie approach in the NHL. Why haven't we tried just putting a. Putting like a sumo?

[Andy Holloway]

You have to go. You have to have one giant dude on every roster to stop it. What are we doing? Nobody thinks this is fun to watch.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

They.

[Mike Wright]

I tried to defend it and then they just abused it.

[Andy Holloway]

My trade for candidate, it was a trade for going into last week. It's a trade for going into this week. It's Ashton Genty of the Las Vegas Raiders and you know, I understand how frustrating it's been. He's the running back 33. He was Jason. Jason's two for two two consecutive years. In predicting which rookie was way overdrafted, it was Marvin Harrison. Last year it was Ashton Jenty. This year that's been the case. And do I think it will be smooth for Genti? No, not really. You talk to Raiders fans, Raiders, I don't know if they can stop talking about how bad this offensive line has been and then. And then connecting it to the potential nepotism of Pete Carroll's son who is coaching the offensive line and how he needs to go and how this offensive line is the major problem for the team. All that being said, it is hard to find true Bell cow every down backs and Ashton Ginty is one of them. He scored one time on the year. It has been tough sledding, but the player, Jason talked about it on Monday, I think Ashton Ginsey is very, very good. He is making the very, very most of a really difficult situation. And I think you're going to see some improvement from both the offensive line, from his production, the touchdown numbers and the kind of getting into the flow of this offense. It takes time for rookies. There's nobody to threaten him. Raheem Mostert hasn't seen a snap. Zemir White, we've been there, done that. Lobby, come on. I don't like that. You know, I think he's a perfect buy low right this moment because we got a really pedestrian week from him again. But the attempts and opportunities, I think you're going to see the targets go back up. At least four or five targets a week. And you know, it's been hard, it's been frustrating. But I am actively looking to pick up Ashton Genti because I think that the schedule is going to lighten up a little bit and they're going to figure out how to utilize him better. You are smirking a lot. I don't really know.

[Mike Wright]

Because you have found your Ken Walker.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, gosh.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

Why is that my Ken Walker?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I get it. Totally.

[Mike Wright]

Because it's the exact same argument that I've been making for Ken Walker.

[Andy Holloway]

Ken Walker's argument is all based on injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If Ken Walker never got hurt, I would not be on the opposite side of Ken Walker.

[Mike Wright]

The, the, the, the inefficiencies.

[Andy Holloway]

I get that part. Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Of.

[Andy Holloway]

And you're like, dude, the challenge.

[Jason Moore]

I'm telling you.

[Andy Holloway]

But offensive line, the talent should overrule.

[Mike Wright]

And there are plenty. There's already plenty of carries of seeing Genty where you're like, that is a special, special player.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been hit at or behind the line of scrimmage on 57% of his rushing attempts.

[Mike Wright]

Is that him or Walker?

[Andy Holloway]

Probably both. It's probably. That's exactly the Walker story.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but, but I.

[Mike Wright]

Look, it is because offensive line matters so, so much.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, you look around the league right now, a frustrating.

[Andy Holloway]

I would trade Vonte for Ashton Jensen.

[Jason Moore]

You look at the teams it might go through. Wait, who would you trade?

[Andy Holloway]

Javante.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, sure. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think that that's what it might go through.

[Mike Wright]

I think it, I think it might, you might be like one towel on that.

[Jason Moore]

I doubt most people that spent what they spent on genty that are 0 and 3.

[Andy Holloway]

Go on.

[Jason Moore]

No, I, No, I get it. I'm not saying don't offer it. I would offer that. I'm saying I think more often than not it will get rejected.

[Andy Holloway]

But if you go through, I mean, look, that's not the only name. But I think Genti is a target. I think this is the time. I think the sentiment, you know, the fact that any rookie struggling gets so much publicity. Now with fantasy football, we saw it with Hampton, we saw it with Henderson, we've seen it with Caleb Johnson. I mean it's like we. It's almost more exciting to dump on these rookies when they're not performing. And Genti, to me it's just a matter of getting this team in this offense, which is a new quarterback dealing with the injuries to Bowers. I think they're going to figure it out. I do.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Brooks just posted Javante's at 51 total points and Genti's at 23.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you're ever going to try it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, now's the time.

[Andy Holloway]

You never would have dreamed of such things before the season began. And I don't mind throwing in something with Javante to make it go over the finish line. If you want to throw, you know, whatever. You got Travis Hunter on your team with Javante. Javante and Travis Hunter to try to get Genti some sexy production and name. I don't know. That's my pick.

[Jason Moore]

No, it makes sense. My trade for Canada is someone who's been great is going to cost you a lot. It's just like what Mike was saying, sometimes you got to pay up. This is not always been so bad. You're going to get him for Pennies on the dollar. No. People love Josh Jacobs. He's been okay. He's the running back. 19. He's just been okay, but he's still been like. Two running backs have seen 40% of their team's total rush attempts and targets in all three games this year. It's Saquon and it's Jacobs. Four fantasy running backs have seen 20 plus opportunities in all three games this year. CMC Saquon, Jonathan Taylor and Jacobs. The workload is there. The thing is, is his schedule so far like he, he just is coming off of a game where they shockingly lost against the unbelievable defense of the Cleveland Browns who shut down Derek Henry and really shut down Josh Jacobs. 16 attempts for 30 yards. That was not Jacobs fault. That was the Cleveland Browns fault. They are awesome. They're about to go to Dallas and Josh Jacobs is going to be unbelievable. I see Josh Jacobs personally as like a top five running back. I see him not as, you know, an RB one. I don't know how his situation can be any better than it is. He has a great offensive line, a great offense, a passing game that is kind of struggling, but also a defense that is maybe the best in the league.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

This is the recipe we saw with Saquon last year. And so I think that my issue I have with packers wide receivers is just I don't know how much they're going to be needed. Sure, Josh Jacobs is awesome. He looks good and he hasn't gone off this year yet. You know, he's been the big game. Yeah, he hasn't had a big game. He hasn't had a top 10 game of. Yeah, he hasn't had a top 10 performance. Hasn't scored 15 fantasy points on a week. Welcome to Dallas and the rest of season. Oh, packers have the easiest rest of season schedule for running backs. Their upcoming schedule. Dallas, nice. Bengals, Cardinals, Steelers, Carolina. Like.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let me, let me ask you.

[Jason Moore]

I've got some real quick, I've got some, some things in mind. If I had someone who has been going off and is a stud, a.

[Andy Holloway]

Jonathan Taylor, I was just going to literally read you the names that are finished above Josh Jacobs on the year.

[Jason Moore]

Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, I'm Christian McCaffrey, Bijon Gibbs, those type of guys, I would be willing to go get Jonathan Taylor and another really good like I'm weak at wide receiver, let's say and I've got Jonathan Taylor. Go see if the Josh Jacobs team can give Josh Jacobs and a really good wide receiver because I think you, while I'M not. Like, I think Jonathan Taylor might finish as the run.

[Mike Wright]

He might be the RB one, but.

[Jason Moore]

You'Re not going that far down when you go to Josh Jacobs. Alternatively, there are guys like Devon Hn, who scored more than him, has looked great. Like, I would much rather have Jonathan Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyren?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You mean you'd rather have Josh Jacobs.

[Jason Moore]

Or I would rather have Josh Jacobs.

[Andy Holloway]

Derek Henry. Would you rather Derek Henry or Josh Jacobs straight up?

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have Josh Jacobs.

[Andy Holloway]

That, that's, I think that's a big question right there.

[Jason Moore]

And so there are also guys below him where, you know, you pair, you pair people together and go get Josh Jacobs. But I think Josh Jacobs rest of season is a top five running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right. No, that's. It makes sense. We'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll talk some Thursday Night Football.

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[Jason Moore]

Thursday night breakdown.

[Andy Holloway]

When you, when you have to talk about the Cardinals, is it better to just get it out of the way like this?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it off.

[Andy Holloway]

Thursday Night Football Seattle two and one, Cardinals two and one. Vegas line. Seattle on the road minus one and a half.

[Jason Moore]

Opened with the Cardinals minus one and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting.

[Mike Wright]

People have spoken.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean I. Arizona's defense has played well. The overrunner in this game is 43 1/2. Seattle's defense, same story. Special teams last week, defense was a story. I do see the game as a coin flip. The fact is in Arizona, Seattle won both games last year. One of them was 16 to 6. Hopefully we don't get that on Thursday Night Football. That'd be a tough start to the week. Week 14 was 30 to 18. They want them both. Kyler is one in three on Thursday nights in his career. Two and eight versus Seattle. Seattle getting Back some key pieces in the secondary. Seattle had a really, really easy time at home last week against the New Orleans Saints. You know, one of the big pieces of this game that I'll start with the running game. Arizona lost James Conner for the season. It's going to be Trey Benson, which he's a.

[Mike Wright]

He's a good play this week.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a good play. He's a good back. You know. Do you, do you see him kind of sliding in an RB2 range this week?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Chase Brown and how bad he's been. Would you rather play Trey Benson?

[Mike Wright]

I would play Benson.

[Jason Moore]

I would as well.

[Andy Holloway]

What about Quinch on Judkins and what we saw last week versus Trey Benson?

[Jason Moore]

Judkins, who's he? He's got a tough matchup this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Detroit. Yeah, Benson.

[Jason Moore]

I want Judkins in my lineup.

[Mike Wright]

He had a tough matchup against the Green Bay Packers. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's try to have an unemotional real conversation about Marvin Harrison Jr.

[Mike Wright]

It's.

[Andy Holloway]

It was rough. The silence deafening.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. There's me.

[Andy Holloway]

You said me out.

[Mike Wright]

You said fair. And Jason is only being fair at this point.

[Jason Moore]

That wasn't me, that was Marv. So sorry. Go on. All right, I'm done.

[Andy Holloway]

I doubt it. Marvin Harrison or DK Metcalf against Minnesota. Tough, tough defense and matchup for Metcalf. Do you believe that Marvin Harrison will bounce back this week from a really frustrating, disappointing 3 for 44. Blew a touchdown. Blew up maybe a 75 yard touchdown earlier in the game. Like the emotional. Like if you wanted to. I think Marvin Harrison is a baby by now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I actually do.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it's so negative.

[Jason Moore]

It's so negative. And what's ironic is that the, the thing that pushes it over the top in negative is his two drops in that game.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

But also he had. They're frustrating because what could have been and if he had actually caught those, which obviously Marvin Harrison knows how to catch passes. He's not going to drop every pass. This should not be a sentence we have to say. I know, but it's like he's going to. He's going to catch those more often.

[Mike Wright]

Than he drops those vertical, my man.

[Jason Moore]

And you know, had he caught those last week, it would be the exact opposite. Be like, wow, how can you possibly bench Marvin Harrison after he gets 125 yards and two touchdowns? Is basically what he would have had.

[Andy Holloway]

I just sent Mike a trade offer. A one for one trade offer for Marvin Harrison.

[Mike Wright]

You did.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mike can bring it up and then you can discuss what side you'd rather have.

[Mike Wright]

Oh my.

[Jason Moore]

Was. Is it the. Is it. It's not the player I think it is?

[Mike Wright]

No, it's Marv for Zay Flowers.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay. I was like, you wouldn't have done a buka for Marv?

[Andy Holloway]

Of course not.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

No, Marv sucks. I don't want a sucky player.

[Mike Wright]

We'd be talking about a trade that went through, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. That one would be. By the way, if you send Jonathan Taylor and A.J. brown over, I will reject that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You already sent that offer to me and I declined it.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. But if you send it, I'll decline it, is what I'm saying. That is an interesting conversation that I.

[Mike Wright]

Will have to think about.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But Marvin Harrison right now is sitting in the wide receiver 2, 3, fringe range. It's hard to go away from someone like huge. For Marv, huge has been.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I would not.

[Andy Holloway]

I would be playing huge. I'd be playing Brian Thomas Jr. Because of the target volume. Would you? I think, I think I would.

[Mike Wright]

Trevor Lawrence is really, really bad at football.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would be.

[Andy Holloway]

How about Kyler?

[Jason Moore]

Brian Thomas?

[Mike Wright]

I think Kyler is better than Trevor Lawrence.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the Arizona side. Trey McBride leading all tight ends in target chair. You keep playing him.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, don't worry. The Seattle Seahawks are currently dead last and allowing fantasy points to the tight end position. So keep playing Trey McBride.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean the Cardinals offense runs through like not wide receivers. That's been the depressing part of it. Sam Darnold is your stream of the week, Mike. Kenneth Walker has been on fire. Charbonnet will play. He was a full practice on Monday and Tuesday. So you will figure out what the balance is going to be. The Cardinals defense has been pretty good so far this year, but I don't think that's going to stop you from playing Kenneth Walker, is it?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. Yeah. The Cardinals defense, they did an admirable job against Christian McCaffrey. It's a very difficult, you know, player to try to stop and they looked pretty good doing that. They didn't give up a ton of points to the, to the 49ers last week. However, obviously they didn't have a starting quarterback in there. Even though Mac Jones is so good. According to Mac Jones. Yeah, I think you certainly keep starting Kenneth Walker because while you'll get dud games, you'll get those massive big blow up games too.

[Andy Holloway]

JSN's in your lineup. Where are you with Cooper cup versus Tori Horton? Cup had a huge week two and two duds. Torrey Horton, not a big yardage guy yet, but he got into the end zone. If you had to choose between one of those two for a spot start.

[Jason Moore]

For a spot start, I would currently be starting cup, but I would much rather roster Horton and have either one on my bench.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I can agree with that. I don't really want to force either of them into the lineup.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Cup blew up week two, but 15 yards week one and 31 in week three is not yet.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you guys have any other thoughts on this matchup? Do you have a prediction for Thursday night?

[Jason Moore]

I do think Seattle wins the game. They look like the truly better team. The Cardinals cannot score. Their offense right now looks broken. And while their defense has been playing admirable, they've had pretty easy go of it so far.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think they've been tested because all three of the teams, San Francisco, Arizona, and now Seattle, have all got to place the Saints right.

[Jason Moore]

And the Seahawks blew the tar out of them and the Cardinals, as did the 49ers.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right, we will turn the page then and jump into some mailbag.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, into the mailbag we go. If you have a question, go to the website the fantasy footballers.com, click that submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline, 302464, TFFB. We're going to kick it off in today's mailbag with a voicemail.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, ballers, this is Wayne from Kansas City. Love the show. This week, would you start Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones in a one quarterback lead? Thank you.

[Mike Wright]

Baker Mayfield against the Philadelphia Eagles or Daniel Jones on the road against the Los Angeles Rams. Also, I, I'm so thrilled that we. This is a real. Yeah, this is, this is a real question.

[Jason Moore]

And, and I, and it might be.

[Andy Holloway]

A real answer of Daniel Jones.

[Jason Moore]

That's my real answer. He's ahead in my rankings and it makes more sense so far.

[Andy Holloway]

Daniel Jones losing Mike Evans.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly. Losing Mike Evans playing against the Philadelphia Eagles. It's, it's, it's not going to be easy for Baker to do enough with Sterling Shepard. You know, I think they're going to have to really run the ball well if they want to compete against the Eagles this week. Whereas you look at Daniel Jones, he was the quarterback 4, the quarterback 6, and the quarterback 12 so far on the season. And you know, one of those, the quarterback six was against a very good defense in Denver. And so you you know, the Rams. This game is a 49 and a half point over under.

[Mike Wright]

It's currently the highest of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would like to play Daniel.

[Andy Holloway]

Jones Ed in New Zealand. Start.

[Mike Wright]

Bonjour.

[Andy Holloway]

Jameson Williams or Brian Thomas Jr. This week, underdog going into week four, sitting at one and two. Don't want to keep getting hurt by BTJ, but I feel like the floor is the same with both players. Love the show. Please help.

[Jason Moore]

It's Brian Thomas Jr. You can't go away from the amount of targets that Brian Thomas Jr. Has been getting. I mean, obviously his catching problem has become a mental yip. Like it's in his head because it's happening too often right now. But, you know, this is a guy who's seven targets, 12 targets, six targets. He's on pace for 141 targets. You know, what is the ceiling for either guy, the floor for either guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Who has more catches on the season?

[Jason Moore]

Well, you're going to say Jameson Williams, of course, because he has more catches. I believe Brian Thomas has catching 28% of his passes.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just saying that's shocking to me. Like, I did not expect to see that. I knew the targets were out of control on the Thomas favor, but it literally. Jameson Williams, who has eight catches on the year, has more than Brian Thomas.

[Mike Wright]

If you zoom out, do you have any concern just overall for Detroit this week? They're playing the Cleveland Browns.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not think they'll be able to throw the ball deep. So I do. I would play. I would agree with Jason. I think Brian Thomas Jr. Is the play, the biggest problem. We saw this frequently last week and every week. You don't have time. You ever seen Miles Garrett before? You ever seen Mason Graham?

[Mike Wright]

Miles Garrett is a superhero.

[Andy Holloway]

Mason Graham is making that Travis Hunter trade look like the worst trade in the history of sports. I have pressure on the defensive front for Cleveland. You do not have time.

[Mike Wright]

I have wondered that kind of silently. Like, they traded so much for Travis Hunter.

[Andy Holloway]

He was a very good trade right now for Cleveland.

[Mike Wright]

It's. It. Of course it's early, but it's like you traded all that and then use the number two pick on you. Like, that guy better be making an impact. And it feels like he's not right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So I think he's not a trait of that magnitude. Impact.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Unfortunately, like I would say so far through the season, despite the huge week, too, I mean, I'm definitely disappointed in Jameson Williams's play and production. I mean, it's been. He was it hasn't really changed his utilization. It's been big play dependent. I was hoping to see more like 6, 7, 8 target range.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that's what we saw the whole second half of last year.

[Andy Holloway]

If you want to have a little bit of encouragement there now, it's not going to come this week with Cleveland, but I mean, you've played at Green Bay and at Baltimore in two of those games. Those have been difficult matchups where the running game has had to dictate things. I think it will open up a little bit for them. But, you know, it's been. I've been bummed, I've been disappointed. So somebody insult me because that's when he scored last time. So the last time you insulted me about him, he had a big touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Halfway through the game. Hop on Twitter and Victory Latin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that worked really well. So. All right, we got another voicemail.

[Mike Wright]

Yo, yo, yo, ballers love the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Just got Debo Samuel in a trade by giving away Chase Brown.

[Jason Moore]

I have another league mate though, asking for Debo in exchange for cubes. Should I do it or should I keep Debo? Thanks.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're going to get different answers from this group on this one. I'm on the Debo side by far. I mean, right now you have a significant injury potential for Terry McLaurin. Debo's only bad game was the one game he had no Jaden Daniels and he actually didn't play poorly. He had like a monstrous near touchdown return on a kickoff.

[Mike Wright]

I would push back and say his week two was bad. He salvaged it.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you had eight targets though.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but that's great. Seven for 44 is not great. And it was the, it was all of us. Admit that was the garbagey, garbagey touchdown that's. That saved the day. So I'm not saying I'm completely out on Debo because week one was, Week one was, was very nice. But between the two of those guys, I would go, I would buy into what Quinn Johnson is doing. Yeah, the Chargers passing attack.

[Jason Moore]

I actually like both players. This is not an anti either player take. But the yardage, forget the touchdowns. Right. Touchdowns aren't very sticky and they're pushing huge up drastically. 79 yards in week one, 71 yards in week two, 89 yards in week three. And two thirds of those were against really good defenses in the Broncos and the Chiefs. What, what Quentin Johnston is doing and more, more so what we're seeing the Chargers do with how they're playing, I'm buying into CUJ as as being a legitimate, you know, top 20 wide receiver this year.

[Andy Holloway]

So CUJ is your answer?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, CUJ is my answer.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well then your answer here. Prime time in Hawaii. AJ Brown or Debo in a ppr?

[Jason Moore]

AJ Brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I think we'd all go AJ Brown there just for the ceiling. Looks really, really good. All right, that was today's mailbag. Watch every game, Every Sunday with NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV. Visit YouTube.com fantasy footballers local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games. Base plan required. Excludes digital only games. Commercial use excluded and no refunds. That'll do it for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Make sure you check out jointhefoot.com if you'd like to become a supporter of the show and official Foot Clan member and unlock a ton of great perks, including the ultimate dashboard. We will be back with you tomorrow. We have starts of the week, we got matchups for the next two days and we've got the Fantasy Face off and the Wheel of Shame on Friday as well.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Do not miss it. Take care.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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