Fantasy Football - Trending or Ending + Changing Offenses - Podcast for 3/19

Summary

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Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary

Episode: Trending or Ending + Changing Offenses
Date: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Overview

In this episode, the Fantasy Footballers crew (Andy, Jason, and Mike) tackle two major topics for the upcoming 2026 fantasy season:

1. "Trending or Ending": They debate whether certain fantasy trends, specifically Jordan Love’s QB output, are likely to continue or break.
2. Coaching Carousel Deep-Dive: The trio breaks down teams that have changed offensive coordinators (OCs) this offseason, focusing on what those changes mean for fantasy footballers.

The episode is packed with analysis, candid opinions, and sharp humor—making it both informative and entertaining for fantasy fans looking for an edge heading into draft season.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Pre-draft & Offseason Vibes

• Draft Anticipation: 176 days till fantasy drafts. The hosts express impatience and excitement, referencing pending free agency moves and draft day outcomes ([02:16]).
• Draft Prospects: Jonah Coleman and Adam Randall discussed as intriguing draft prospects. The group draws parallels to Antonio Gibson and David Johnson—converted WRs with high athleticism ([03:47]).

Memorable moment

• Andy (on Adam Randall): “He’s six-three, like 230, and a super athlete... That’s always interesting.” ([03:50])

2. "Trending or Ending": Jordan Love Focus

• Premise: Will Jordan Love finish outside the QB15 range again? After a QB5 breakout in 2023, he’s finished QB15 and QB17 while missing two games each season.
• Consensus: All hosts agree the trend continues (“trending”). While Love is a “great quarterback,” he’s not elite for fantasy due to modest passing TDs, a strong run game (Josh Jacobs), and roster changes (Roméo Doubs’ departure) ([07:25]–[12:41]).
• Jason: “He will be outside the top 15 at quarterback, in my opinion. That doesn’t mean he’s bad... he’s just not really an elite fantasy quarterback.” ([08:35])
• Mike: “If you decided to let him throw the ball 579 times, he would be a perennial top 5, 6, 7 quarterback. That’s just not the dynamic in Green Bay.” ([11:03])

Takeaways

• Streaming Candidate: Love is more a matchup-based streamer than a draft-and-start option.
• Team Context Matters: Green Bay’s strong defense and run game lower Love’s passing and fantasy ceiling.

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3. Coaching Carousel: New Offensive Coordinators & Fantasy Impact

NFL OC Job Security

• Only 5 of 32 current OCs have been with their teams 2+ years.
• If you're a good OC, you get poached for a head coach gig. If not, you’re fired ([13:41]).

Team-by-Team OC Breakdown (Alphabetical Order)

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Chicago Bears

• New OC: Press Taylor (brother of Zach Taylor), but Ben Johnson will call plays.
• Fantasy Spin: Bears are one of the most exciting fantasy setups this preseason. Multiple draft-worthy skill players (Loveland, Burden, Odunze, Swift, Mann Guy). Expectation: Caleb Williams must unlock passing yardage for this group to reach their potential ([15:42]–[18:19]).
• Jason: “If Caleb Williams doesn’t break the record for passing yardage for the Chicago Bears, you’re going to be disappointed.” ([17:43])

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Denver Broncos

• New OC: Davis Webb (playcalling handed off from Sean Payton).
• Analysis: Webb is a well-respected young offensive mind. “I find myself slightly more encouraged that a change is happening,” says Mike ([21:13]–[25:04]).
• Broncos Backfield: Looking to strengthen their RB room; Jaleel McLaughlin remains a potential fantasy pest.

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Detroit Lions

• New OC: Drew Petzing (“The Blobfish”), former Cardinals OC.
• Outlook: Dan Campbell still has major offensive influence. Petzing’s run concepts worked in Arizona. Lions’ schedule is “delicious”—expect more fantasy goodness from Gibbs, Amon-Ra, and others ([25:05]–[28:55]).
• Notable: Signing of Isaiah Pacheco as RB2 highlights the need to watch preseason usage.

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Kansas City Chiefs

• New OC: Eric Bieniemy returns (Matt Nagy exits; Andy Reid still calls plays).
• Fantasy History: All of Mahomes' “great” years were with Bieniemy. Chiefs’ offense last year was short on explosive plays; WR spot still unsettled, Kelsey aging.
• Key Quote: “The offensive skill positions are still a big question mark… But I’m more hopeful now.” (Andy, [32:12])

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LA Chargers

• New OC: Mike McDaniel replaces Greg Roman.
• Fantasy Angle: McDaniel brings upside and player-focused creativity; upgrades to the O-line are promising; Keenan Allen’s status is key ([32:52]–[35:17]).
• Jason: “Your center and your edges are elite [now].”

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LA Rams

• New OC: Nate Scheelhaase replaces Mike LaFleur; Cliff Kingsbury as offensive assistant.
• Main Point: McVay still calls plays, so OC changes don’t shake much. More good minds is a positive ([35:34]–[37:02]).

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NY Jets

• New OC: Frank Reich
• Team Mood: Complete lack of optimism; hosts ridicule hiring as a non-serious move. Both Reich and HC Aaron Glenn predicted not to survive the season.
• Mike: “Frank Reich will not make it through the season. This is going to be a disaster.” ([37:40]–[39:59])
• Red Flag: Jets fantasy assets (Breece Hall, Smith) now tough to draft confidently.

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Philadelphia Eagles

• New OC: Sean Mannion
• Job Outlook: OC is mainly a “human shield” for Nick Sirianni.
• Fantasy Notes: Saquon Barkley’s decline is a concern. Offensive line health (esp. Lane Johnson) is crucial. Team can win—but fantasy expectations need caution ([42:44]–[46:19]).

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Seattle Seahawks

• New OC: Brian Fleury (replaces Clint Kubiak, who leaves for the Raiders).
• Concerns: Losing Kubiak and RBs (Ken Walker, Charbonnet) is a blow. Defense strong, but sustaining a top-5 offense will be tough ([46:39]–[52:26]).
• Andy: “They were extremely run heavy... JSN down the field was truly magic last year.”

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers

• New OC: Zach Robinson (ex-Rams, “McVay scent” jokes)
• Fantasy Vibe: Not a major change. Evans gone, so opportunity for new WRs (Egg Buka?) and Otten at TE. Todd Bowles is on the hot seat.
• Mike: “If this team started slow, you could have Zach Robinson as your interim head coach.” ([53:43])

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Washington Commanders

• New OC: David Blough (“Blah blah” jokes)
• Uncertainty: Big scheme argument between head coach (wants under center, run-heavy), and departed OC Kingsbury (wanted shotgun). Expect offense to look different. Blough says McLaurin will be force-fed 10+ targets/gm, but volume may not be there ([56:47]–[61:22]).
• Andy: “It’s math... are you throwing the ball 28 times and giving McLaurin 10 targets?”
• Jason: “This team is desperate for some skill position players.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Antonio Gibson “tragedy”:
  Andy (on Adam Randall comparisons): “Two top 12 fantasy seasons… You’re like, 'Oh no, what a horrifically bad career.'” ([04:35])

• On McVay & Shanahan as coaching 'Johnny Appleseeds':
  Jason: “They’re just trying to spread their seed. That’s all they’re doing. They want lots of coach babies out there.” ([14:53])

• On the Jets & Frank Reich:
  Mike: “The Jets are very unserious.” ([37:52])
  Jason: "Frank Reich will be, I presume, the interim head coach by year's end." ([37:57])

• On Sean Payton:
  Jason: “He smells his own farts... it's clear as day Sean Payton wants you to think very highly of Sean Payton, to a very unhealthy degree.” ([22:49])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Draft prospects to watch: [03:06]–[06:37]
• Trending or Ending – Jordan Love: [07:21]–[12:41]
• Coaching Carousel Intro & OC Job Security: [12:49]–[15:10]
• Bears OC/Ben Johnson: [15:42]–[19:02]
• Broncos OC, Sean Payton rant: [21:13]–[25:04]
• Lions OC, Drew Petzing (“Blobfish”): [25:05]–[29:00]
• Chiefs OC, Eric Bieniemy returns: [29:00]–[32:12]
• Chargers OC, Mike McDaniel: [32:52]–[35:17]
• Rams OC / Kingsbury: [35:34]–[37:02]
• Jets OC, Frank Reich: [37:26]–[39:59]
• Eagles OC, Saquon Barkley worries: [42:44]–[46:19]
• Seahawks OC, run game questions: [46:39]–[52:26]
• Buccaneers OC, Evans “Gone” Impact: [52:54]–[55:28]
• Washington OC, McLaurin’s (unrealistic) target share: [56:47]–[61:22]

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Takeaways for Fantasy Drafters

• Monitor Offseason News: Multiple teams with coordinator and player changes could see major shifts in offensive output.
• Coaching Changes Matter: Some landing spots are much more favorable for fantasy upside (Detroit, LA Chargers, Bears) than others (Jets, Bucs).
• Volume & Playcalling: Pay extra attention to who holds playcalling duties, not just the OC title.
• Draft Cautiously Around Unstable Offenses: Teams like the Jets, Bucs, and Commanders carry more risk after coordinator turmoil.

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Final Thoughts

The hosts blend rapid-fire analysis with humor throughout, making it easy to absorb big off-season developments and their fantasy implications. The priority theme: Smart reactions to trending players and teams amid major NFL offensive shake-ups, always through the lens of actionable advice.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway. We're back again. Excited to have you with us as we get you ready for the 2026 fantasy football season, which should be far away. I mean, I think I plugged in an approximate draft day for our league of record draft like a couple days ago. It's like 176 days away now, so right around the corner. But I mean, there's just too many, too many steps along the way. We're going to have an NFL draft here soon. We still have more free agent signings.

[Andy Holloway]

The draft will be here very soon.

[Mike Wright]

Is there one specific player situation team in the draft that you're just like, I got to know what happens.

[Jason Moore]

For me, it's Jonah Coleman because he is, he's a player that I like, and if the NFL likes, then I'm in. But I could see the NFL being like, you're, you're, you know, you're going to drop to the fourth round maybe.

[Mike Wright]

If the NFL doesn't like Jonah Coleman, does that mean it doesn't like you?

[Jason Moore]

I don't think they know me.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm gonna. I'm safe either way.

[Mike Wright]

You're safe.

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm safe. But yeah, that's just one of those players where if he's a second round pick, awesome. If he's a fourth round pick, awful.

[Andy Holloway]

I like Adam Randall.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

The converted wide receiver into running back who is just your type. Yeah. I mean, he's six, three, like 230 and a super athlete. And the fact that you're playing running back now, but you have trained as a wide receiver, that's. That's always interesting.

[Mike Wright]

You and him matched on fancy football team.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Yep. I mean, it's very Antonio Gibson. It's very. David Johnson is like, second one was a good example.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Antonio Gibson for all the.

[Andy Holloway]

Dude, Dude. I literally, because I tweet, hates this so much. I do, because I got it again. I tweeted about Adam Randall and people are like, oh, is this going to be another Antonio Gibson? And I'm like, two top 12 fantasy seasons.

[Jason Moore]

His rookie year, he was the running back 12. His sophomore year, he was the running back 10.

[Andy Holloway]

You're like, oh, no, what a horrifically bad career.

[Jason Moore]

But to be fair to them, then he disappeared.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Forever.

[Andy Holloway]

Most guys don't up. Up here.

[Jason Moore]

So wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Mike Wright]

Like the summary. Like, if you were to find an Antonio Gibson card in a collection and pull it out, your first thought is, man, that guy. And then it's the following sentence. And I think 99.99% of people would look at Antonio Gibson, say, oh, man, that guy had a lot of potential. That's the outcome. Because I think when he was having some success as a rookie and a sophomore, we still wanted more. So it wasn't like we were like, yes, this is the. I'm just not to count. Not to say he didn't have success during those years. It's funny, like, remember he fumbled like five.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he had the good year he

[Andy Holloway]

had a huge fumbling.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receivers don't train on holding on to the ball.

[Mike Wright]

A third round can always make Mike upset with that though.

[Andy Holloway]

Because it's a third round running back, your expectation should be zero seasons as a top 12 running back. That should be what you would expect.

[Jason Moore]

So if Adam Randall's a third round running back, which is what David Johnson was, which is what was in third.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Does that mean that this is going to work out again, bro. And you just have to hope he's never the running back 10 because that was like the demise of both of those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean honestly. Because if you're talking rookie picks as that's the season, if Adam Randall goes in the third round, he'll be, you know, he'll be in the second round of rookie picks. And if your second round running back gives you two RB1 seasons, like that's a smash pick.

[Jason Moore]

I think with this year's running, if for some reason he is in the third round, meaning he's a day two pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't think he will be.

[Jason Moore]

I don't either. But if he does, I'll bet he sneaks into the back of the first for rookie drafts.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, maybe because of the class is so bad, maybe it'll be interesting. But there's going to be so many wide receivers like first and second round wide receivers should fill up the majority of your first round of rookie drafts.

[Jason Moore]

We'll know soon.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Trending or ending?

[Mike Wright]

Trending or ending. Jordan Love will finish as the quarterback 15 or worse. It is now a two year trend for Jordan Love. He had the spectacular debut as the starter for green bay in 2023. Quarterback five on the year the last two years. Quarterback 15, quarterback 17. He missed two games in each of the last two years, he has lost Romeo Dobbs in the off season. Trending or ending?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, not just missing two games. This wasn't like if Jordan Love played all 17, it would be great. I mean, he was about three points per game fewer than the breakout campaign.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Both of the last two years.

[Andy Holloway]

So it's like you're at the point now of where was. Was that the outlier?

[Jason Moore]

Right. That's. That's the question. I mean, that really is.

[Andy Holloway]

Is.

[Jason Moore]

Is. Was that year where he was the quarterback five. And through 32 touchdowns, was that his outlier year? Or the last two years with Josh Jacobs being in town scoring so many rushing touchdowns? I mean, when we watch Jordan Love, he looks like a really good quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's great, personally. He's a great quarterback, personally.

[Jason Moore]

I felt like that year when he threw 32 touchdowns was not the norm, like his norm, which is good. I'm not like, I think this is trending. He will be Outside the top 15 at quarterback, in my opinion. That doesn't mean he's bad. He's not a below average quarterback. It's just he's not really an elite quarter. I look back the last couple of years of just what is like the average, you know, NFL team. Like, I looked at the team level so that injuries aren't skewing it. How many passing touchdowns is the average team? Take out the leaders and take out the crappy teams. What do they throw?

[Andy Holloway]

And it's usually about mid-20s.

[Jason Moore]

Right. 24, 25 touchdowns. And you look back and we're like,

[Andy Holloway]

what a piece of garbage quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

And Aikman never hit that number, Right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Some of the other greats.

[Andy Holloway]

Imagine 25 passing touchdowns. What a bum.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so you look and it's like, okay, well, he. Through 23 last year, 25 the year before. That's not bad. That's good. But that's not ever going to be. If you're throwing 23, 25 touchdowns, you're not a top five quarterback unless you are rushing for 10 touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

I think one of the things that makes it complicated about. And I think trending, by the way, I'm on the trending side as well, I think, which this is.

[Jason Moore]

I don't like the trending or ending.

[Mike Wright]

I know, I don't either.

[Jason Moore]

The trending is the negative here.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

Like ending would be like, oh, it's

[Mike Wright]

good, it feels that way. But we're saying that the bad trend is continuing.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

I think. I think the challenge here is that You've lost Romeo Dobbs. Whatever you think about Romeo Dobbs, he's a solid, maybe above average wide receiver that is now out the door. Tucker Kraft is coming back from a major injury. I'm looking at pass attempts before Josh Jacobs arrived. 34 A game for Jordan Love.

[Andy Holloway]

In the big season.

[Mike Wright]

In the big season, 28 a game. Because he threw the ball 579 times in 20, 23. You didn't have a weapon in the running game that was really a goal line weapon. And so you look at, okay, how do you throw seven fewer touchdowns on average? Well, Josh Jacobs is the answer to that question. But yeah, Tucker Kraft coming back from injury. You know, Matthew Golden's going to have his chance to make a mark and I'll probably have some big plays. But I think more of the same for Green Bay. They can be a very successful team if he throws 25 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, their defense is really good and that sucks.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's always hard when there's a guy that you think if the situation allowed, it could be better. Like, I think that's the way it feels with Jordan Love is like if you decided to let him throw the ball 579 times, he would be a perennial top five, six, seven quarterback. That's just not the dynamic there in Green Bay right now. Yeah, you don't have. If they had added A.J. brown, maybe we can have a conversation.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Love strikes me as a guy that before the career is over, you'll have one or two more seasons where he's like, he goes Baker Mayfield of two years ago where it's just everything's on, you know, the luck is there, the touchdown variance luck is there. He's just, he's hitting on the big throws. But I think that he. Yeah, he's more of this like a high end. QB2.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So are you in the same camp where you think you'll be outside that group?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Not a sneaky late round quarterback to draft.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no. I'd rather take a shot on like Malik Willis.

[Mike Wright]

It's, it's so wild because you look at, I mean, I know he's the MVP now, 46 touchdowns. It's just like Matthew Stafford threw 20 last year. He threw 24 the year before. Right. Like played 15, 16 games. 20 and 24. Sometimes you have a special season. Maybe that was the first season for Jordan Love, but. Streamer. Yeah. He's a streaming quarterback candidate, one that I would play in a good matchup. Or if, you know, if Josh Jacobs

[Jason Moore]

go down, say If Josh Jacobs goes down, Jordan Love can do it. I just don't need him to go out there and throw the ball 35 times.

[Mike Wright]

Underdog ADP is QB 17.

[Jason Moore]

That feels right.

[Mike Wright]

So there you go. We're going to jump right into the main event.

[Jason Moore]

Coaching carousel.

[Mike Wright]

Well, on Tuesday we went through all the head coaching changes and the corresponding offensive coordinator changes on a number of teams. There were 10 teams that changed head coaches. Today we're going to take a further dive into teams that have changed just the offensive coordinator position. And there is a coaching changes section in the ultimate draft kit that we dive into. We talked about Arizona, Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Las Vegas, Miami, New York, Pittsburgh, Tennessee on Tuesday. If you want to hear our fantasy implications of those moves, couple quick facts about offensive coordinators. Kyle's always setting some of this stuff aside for us. And the Turnover. In the NFL, only five of the current 32 offensive coordinators have been in that role with their team for two plus years.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if you're really good as an oc, like really good, you get a head coaching opportunity or you're bad

[Andy Holloway]

and you get fired.

[Jason Moore]

Right? Yeah. So, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You don't stick around and just be kind of okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Like you don't have really long tenured OCs very often.

[Mike Wright]

So it looks like the five that have been around Wes Phillips with Kevin O', Connell, but O' Connell's like, he's not a. O' Connell's really the engine there, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. This is Mike's point that he brings up all the time, which is if you have a defensive head coach and your offense is great, you're losing your offensive coordinator. If you want to keep your offensive coordinator, then have them go to an offensive head coach not named Sean McVeigh.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and I was going to say we'll talk about the McVeigh situation because he's always got turnover at OC, but he's calling plays and so involved. He's kind of. He's now taking like a multi pronged approach to offensive assistance.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the Rams are just like. Everyone wants the springboard.

[Andy Holloway]

McVeigh just wants to. McVeigh wants every coach in the league to, to just be under his coaching tree.

[Jason Moore]

Him versus Shanahan. They're just trying to spread their seed. That's all they're doing. They want lots of coach babies out there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's.

[Mike Wright]

That's what they're doing.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the old phrase.

[Mike Wright]

That is how we would put it.

[Jason Moore]

That's how they're doing. Jason Would Johnny Appleseed throwing. Throwing them everywhere.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Yeah. Yep. So there are 11 new offensive coordinators we're going to highlight today. Eight of the 11 will be play callers for their team. And we'll just jump in. We'll do it alphabetical order here, starting with the Bears. They know. I mean, we know. Ben Johnson calls the plays there. Declan Doyle, 30 years old. Right. Moving on. Press Taylor, now the offensive coordinator for the Bears.

[Jason Moore]

Younger brother of Cincinnati head coach Zach Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay. I guess I can kind of see

[Andy Holloway]

that because of the names.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, that's it. The names. That's what they're. They're very similar. No, I was looking at a picture of them, but it looks like. It looks like.

[Jason Moore]

It looks like they could be brothers.

[Mike Wright]

Looks like they could be. They could be brothers. But this is one where you don't really feel instability.

[Andy Holloway]

Nope.

[Mike Wright]

In fact, the Chicago offensive situation is just going to be really, really interesting because, like, Jason, I don't think you were a part of this conversation. Might have been the footcast someone brought up. Like, why are you so in on Luther Burden? Why isn't A Dunes a sleeper? We kind of talked through it. I think A Dunes is a huge sleeper. Like, he's definitely a player that I'm paying attention to. The first 13 weeks of the season, he had a 22% target share on that team Last year. Colson Loveland had been banged up, not a part of the offense as much. Same with luther burden. Weeks 14 through 18, it completely changed. Dunes A was hurt. He missed time. Colson Loveland grabbed a stranglehold. Luther Burden started to establish, and then in the playoffs, it was all Loveland. Right. 28% target share for him. A. Dunes A down to 13%. But the departure of DJ Moore in general. Like, I think the Bears are just one of the highlight teams for the entire offseason. Oh, yeah, that you can be excited about what they started to form. If Caleb Williams can start to throw the ball more accurately.

[Andy Holloway]

You got what you have 5 skill position players that you will want to draft. I mean, I, I think Loveland is the. The one that I'm going after. But this, then it's like, even though I prefer Burden over Roma, Dunes A, there's going to be drafts where Roma, Dunes A lines up where this is a value. I want to take a shot at the Chicago offense. Then DeAndre Swift, Kyle Manon Guy, do, do, do. Like all of these players are going to be drafted and this is what happens when you give us the just something glorious. Like Ben Johnson getting an offense, hopefully.

[Jason Moore]

But I will say this. If Caleb Williams doesn't break the record for passing yardage for the Chicago Bears, you're going to be disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, of course. It's just.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you won't be happy with all of them.

[Jason Moore]

That's. Well, that's what I mean. Either one person breaks up. But what I worry.

[Andy Holloway]

You want tickets into the, into that show, though.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I'm just saying the show might not be as big as we think. If he throws for 3900 passing yards.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Like everyone's going to have a stretch of games that are good. So that's my only worry with the Bears. You got to have them throw for 4300.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, what was it? Jordan Love the last two years was the 3,300. That was the crazy number there. You talk about the offensive pieces in Green Bay as well, but I get what you're saying. I think that this is one of the situations. They lost a star center. I'm not going to. We can't forget about that. Their offensive line was so good last year. Third according to pff. They've got to fix the center position. That's a bummer. But Ben Johnson is the, is the offensive mastermind here. It's not going to be Press Taylor. You know, Declan Doyle benefited from being under Ben Johnson and getting a job, another job. But Press Taylor is just stepping into kind of literally assist, not call place. Right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

mobile.com the Denver Broncos okay, I this one's weird. I love talking about the Denver Broncos because you hate. I find Sean Payton to be simultaneously a good coach and just plain annoying. Just kind of.

[Jason Moore]

I love how you rant on him.

[Mike Wright]

Just like a dude that's got to be talked about a lot, that's got to be angry all the time. I mean, you even saw it when he got rid of his offensive coordinator. It was like, I can't remember the exact quote. Kyle, maybe you can find was something to the extent of like he's like, yeah, Sean was just in one of his moods. That's what I feel all the time. I mean, that was the quote. It was like he's in one of his moods. He was going to, you know, he was going to be mad no matter what.

[Jason Moore]

It's funny because I can completely see your perspective and I don't think think you're wrong. And yet I don't despise Sean Payton. I like him. I like his personality. If he was my head coach of the, you know, my team. If I had a team, yes, you know, I would, I would like that he is that Head coach and I would enjoy, I do enjoy his press conferences. I, I like watching him talk. I like how he explains stuff. Also gross. It is clear as day that Sean Payton wants you to think very highly of Sean Payton. I mean, to a very unhealthy degree. That's very clear and obvious.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he like the bounty gate stuff. Trailing him too.

[Andy Holloway]

He likes his own brand.

[Jason Moore]

He's a fart sniffer. He smells his own farts and.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and he's like, hey.

[Mike Wright]

Which is a little bit. It's a funny transition into the conversation about the hire because Davis Webb is now the offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi. The quote was, Sean Payton was in one of those moods where he felt like some changes needed to be made. So I've been around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves. Davis Webb's taking over. But then the funny part is it's like Sean Payton didn't put his foot down and say, well, I'm calling plays anyway. He basically said, you know, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't feel like it would help our team. I'll still be involved. But he said he's going to hand over play calling to Davis Webb. And to be honest with you, the offense is what was inconsistent and struggled last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Now I can't blame Sean Payton for Cortland Sutton's drops. I can't blame him for the random errant passes by Bo Nix or the fact that Bo Nicks was like so hot and cold. I will always remember the Raider game where they just look so incompetent and won whatever, 1310 or 107 on Thursday night Football. And we were like, what is this? But I find myself slightly more encouraged by a change happening.

[Jason Moore]

I do too. Davis Webb got head coaching opportunities like interviews around the league and then they, and then Peyton retained him. He's. You know, people believe that Davis Webb is an extremely talented offensive mind. So to give away play calling duties when you are Sean Payton, it bodes well for me to believe in Davis Webb.

[Mike Wright]

And if you didn't listen to our true series episodes, Bo Nicks, just for example, the last two years is two years starting. 38% bus games, 35% bus games, 13% great games. That would be, I think our Threshold is what, 25 or above for quarterbacks, Something like that. Somewhere around there. And only 12% this year. So consistency has been a problem. He's been outside the top 10. And consistency despite finishing in the top 10 in terms of total fantasy points. And maybe you could see you know, it seems clear from their comments and what they're doing. They would like to strengthen the running back room. They brought back Julio McLaughlin just to be a thorn in the side of everybody else. We'll see what the draft holds. But I find myself slightly more encouraged that a change is happening.

[Andy Holloway]

I can agree.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, talk to me about your favorite offensive coordinator of all time, the Detroit Lions. Yeah, they have brought in. They finished nine and eight. They did not make the playoffs. They were fourth in points per game. Offense was pretty good, numbers wise. Defense struggled. Injuries, 22nd in points per game. John Morton is out. He had lost play calling duties to Dan Campbell partway through the year. And the Blob Fish has arrived. Drew Petzing, the new offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions.

[Jason Moore]

It feels so much worse.

[Mike Wright]

It does.

[Jason Moore]

To call him the Blob Fish when he's not a Cardinal, when he's not hurting us and our fandom now, it just feels like kind of cruel, kind of a cruel insult.

[Mike Wright]

Right? But.

[Jason Moore]

But once you're named like John, your birth certificate, right.

[Mike Wright]

Just Mr. Bob, maybe Mr. Blobfish. Oh, that's a nicer to show respect.

[Jason Moore]

That's Mr. Blobfish to you.

[Andy Holloway]

How did they. How did they watch Arizona? And they're like, I actually understand.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's going to be totally fine.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's going to be totally fine. I do. I think it's going to work out really well. And this is as someone but as

[Andy Holloway]

in you think that Drew coming in makes things better because over more not

[Mike Wright]

than Ben Johnson, but then John Morton.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

I was like, I think that the Lions with. Without an OC it's just Dan Campbell. I think they will have great success on offense.

[Jason Moore]

I do too. I think if they didn't have Drew Petzing, they wouldn't be bad. Drew Petzing coming in. He's got some good concepts in the running game. His run scheme, it worked in Arizona. James Conner was great. They've got Gibbs and they've got a better offensive line there than what the Cardinals had when they had a quarterback that could stand in the pocket and Jacoby Brissette was allowed to throw the ball.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they were a good offense.

[Jason Moore]

They were a good offense. Kyler did not fit the petsing scheme at all. And Petzing couldn't seemingly adapt to Kyler. But you know that that's the tiny, cowardly mobile quarterback which is the exact opposite of Jared Goff, the immobile. Pretty brave. He'll stand in there and take a hit.

[Mike Wright]

It's A tough division. It's going to be a dog fight in that division. But I kind of lean on Jason's side, I think. I think for what Detroit wants to do on offense, he's going to fit in quite well.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you see any shakeups happening?

[Mike Wright]

By the way, their schedule is going to be delicious this year because they face a fourth play schedule despite going nine and eight because of that division.

[Jason Moore]

So they get to play against the Giants, the Titans and the Cardinals.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, the return of the Blob Fish.

[Andy Holloway]

That'll be fun. Like do you see. Do you see anything being shaken up of Amon R.A. williams or Jameson Williams and Gibbs or just.

[Mike Wright]

I do think Dan Campbell is still going to have a pretty heavy influence on the type of offense they run. But Jason, I never got your response. Neither of us did. To the incredibly big signing of Isaiah Pacheco.

[Jason Moore]

Look, they're going to use him enough behind a good offensive line to have fantasy relevance. They will deploy Gibbs so much more than they did last year. I think it is it makes Pacheco relevant because he's on the Lions.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Pacheco is the test for Drew that like if Drew keeps putting Pacheco out, that's when the he'll take all the play calling from him.

[Mike Wright]

Should Gibbs be with the signing. I know we were waiting on a backup slash committee back. Is Gibbs number one for you right now?

[Jason Moore]

No. It could have flipped before Algeria left, you know, because it was like oh, it was Bijan. And then once David Montgomery got out of town it's like, okay, maybe Gibbs should be the number one. But then Algier got out of town. It's like, all right, I'll back.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so is he number two?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think right now it would probably go Bijon Gibbs. One, two.

[Mike Wright]

The Kansas City Chiefs have brought an old friend back to stand next to the guy who actually calls the place Andy Reid. He's a friendly guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Is if when you're friends with Andy Reid you're in. Yeah, you are in.

[Jason Moore]

Nothing if not loyal.

[Mike Wright]

Eric B. Enemy is the new offensive coordinator. Wink of the Kansas City Chiefs. He is back. He played a huge role in their championships of years gone by. But Matt Nagy's departing. I don't think we gave Matt Nagy a lot of the credit. Right. It's an Andy Reid offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I give him none.

[Mike Wright]

I mean from the time that Eric Biennami left, it did not go well. There was the Washington Commanders stint, there was a UCLA stint. Then he got back into the NFL with the Bears as a running backs coach. But like there was head coaching. Talk about B enemy back in 22.

[Andy Holloway]

There was, but I mean, like.

[Mike Wright]

And then he almost flamed out of the league.

[Andy Holloway]

He was B enemy. Was the OC from 2018 to 2022. I will read you the fantasy finish.

[Mike Wright]

What was the first year?

[Andy Holloway]

2018.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Also known as Patrick Mahomes. First year QB 18441 and the QB 8 that year was at 20 and a half points per game. And then the next three years it has been 17 and a half. 17.6. He did. Mahomes was at 20.3 if you remember. Because the dude was running so much. So he was, you know, getting that cheat code for fantasy football. But it's like all the good Mahomes years were not naggy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's true. That is. That is a fact. Also a fact. Three of those four years, the wide receiver one, the wide receiver two and the wide receiver six were Tyreek Hill.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So it's like. It's one of those.

[Mike Wright]

And Kelsey's peak.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And a running game for some of it. Kansas City had four offensive plays of 20 plus yards that resulted in a touchdown last year that was the fewest in the NFL. That's not what you think of.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not acceptable.

[Mike Wright]

How do we not get mad at Reed? Is Reed just immune from like people being like, we just blame the personnel?

[Jason Moore]

I don't think I blame just the personnel. I think it's the trend of how you deploy a defense against this team that was beating you over the top over and over and over. They go to, you know, the shell defense, the two high safeties, and then they take what the defense gives them. And it's worked for most of the last years. Now this past year, injuries got in the way. They didn't get in the playoffs. Then they did the right thing and shut things down towards the end of the year. They've got the best draft capital coming into this season that they've had pretty much in the Mahomes era. So I think it's going to get a little bit fixed. But the offensive skill positions are still a big question mark. Kelsey's older. They don't have a successful downfield threat even after resigning.

[Mike Wright]

Thornton, huh?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, that's. Thornton is mvs. They don't have a Tyreek.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm saying that.

[Mike Wright]

Sarcasm.

[Andy Holloway]

Mahomes is the injury. We have to overcome all of that. But I'm more hopeful now.

[Mike Wright]

That's good for the running game.

[Andy Holloway]

We're done with the budget magician.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's good for the running game. I think that's the one area where BNME has had consistent presence both on Kansas City and elsewhere. So to me, if they can establish it, which is the first agenda that

[Andy Holloway]

they have, it will be established then.

[Mike Wright]

Then that seems kind of interesting to me. So the Chargers. This is a fun one to talk about. Mike McDaniel replacing Greg Roman. I'm not sure you could have more opposite personalities. Ages 11 and 6 last year, second in the AFC West.

[Jason Moore]

Mike McDaniel is 43, but he really seems 25.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got a young soul.

[Jason Moore]

He's got a young BMX bike to work. And he. And he looks like he's still growing, you know, so it's like he's just a. He's a kid having fun out there.

[Mike Wright]

It is. The dynamic of him and Harbaugh together is spectacular, but I think we all really respect it. I respected how the Dolphins continued to play hard for him despite the season going to crap and obviously eventually leading to a completely go.

[Jason Moore]

Players have always loved him. You know, we've talked to Juice Good, big fan of the show, who worked with Mike McDaniel when he was an OC back at San Francisco, and everybody loves Mike McDaniel, thinks he's really smart. The fact that he doesn't have to wear the head coaching helmet and deal with all the press and all, you know, let him just go. Be the.

[Mike Wright]

He'd fall over. He's a little guy.

[Jason Moore]

Be the little scientist.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Creating cool plays.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. They were 24th in points per game last year. Herbert was the first quarterback since 2018 to lead the league in percentage of drop backs pressured and still make the playoffs. So the Herbert defenders.

[Jason Moore]

I will not ever stop defending Herbert.

[Mike Wright]

It's hard after what he did in the playoffs to not say it was. That was real bad.

[Andy Holloway]

The Chargers are very exciting.

[Jason Moore]

The offensive line.

[Andy Holloway]

McDaniel there.

[Jason Moore]

The offensive line is getting massively improved because they already had two great tackles, both of who got injured through the year, and they lost both of them. They're getting them back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Slater and Alt.

[Jason Moore]

And then they just went and got a great center. So now it's like, okay, so your center and your edges are elite.

[Mike Wright]

You go from terrible fullback and an elite blocking tight end in Charlie Kohler.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, I'm already pretty in love

[Mike Wright]

with the Chargers offense and a guard and another tackle. You're pre in love.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. No, I mean, there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic, no question. And McDaniel should be able to put the players in the best position to succeed. I think that's been the thing that's been difficult sometimes, like, huge. He has a role to play. He's not probably a superstar. Lad McConkey. You know, we had the amazing rookie year. It was kind of weird last year, you know, can he reemerge under Mike McDaniel? You'd think so. Especially with Keenan Allen. Probably not back, but who knows if he's back because he's Keenan Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it'll be really interesting. I want the news on whether Keenan Allen's back, but I feel like I won't know if Keenan Allen is back until kickoff.

[Mike Wright]

You know, like, coming out of the tunnel.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's just like, hey, we signed Keenan out. Yeah, you got me again.

[Mike Wright]

He, like, he's gonna be so late on the way. Yeah, out of the tunnel. All right. Another. We alluded to it. The Rams new offensive coordinator, LaFleur is gone in Arizona as the head coach. Nate Shieldhouse is replacing Mike LaFleur, but they also signed Cliff Kingsbury to be an offensive assistant head coach. If you read about what they're talking about, the utilization, it's going to be more Shieldhouse with, like, Cliff's not going to be taking over an officer coordinator role, but he is going to be a game planning, play design assistant. McVeigh we already know is calling the game.

[Jason Moore]

It's just another good offensive mind to have around for McVeigh. I don't think we ever. Look, every year is like, okay, so who's the. Who's the OC for the Rams? And it doesn't really matter. We're hoping they're smart. They usually are. And then they can go become a head coach after they get spritzed with the McVeigh scent. And then I wouldn't smell the Smint. But yeah, honestly, having more good offensive minds there cannot hurt, especially when you have such a mastermind of running the team in McVeigh, I don't worry about, oh, well, heads. But what if they've got different game plan ideas? Like, McVeigh is in charge and they know that. So this is just going to be

[Mike Wright]

a great Falcons pick at 13. I mean, they're a really, really good team. I don't know what the current odds are to win the super bowl, but if the Rams aren't like second or third or maybe first, I'd be shocked. I know they're the favorites to win the division, even though Seattle obviously won it last year and won the Super Bowl.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think it was very close between Rams and Seattle last I saw.

[Mike Wright]

To speak of an offense with the most opposite perspective possible. The jets have hired Frank Reich.

[Andy Holloway]

Huh? Huh?

[Jason Moore]

I am seeing right now.

[Mike Wright]

Is this a big joke, this jets thing? Frank Reich here. Who do you want? I want Geno.

[Andy Holloway]

The jets are very unserious.

[Jason Moore]

I feel bad for very few fan bases more than our own. But the jets certainly qualify. I don't know how you can stick with that team. Frank Reich will be, I presume, the interim head coach by year's end. They're bringing in someone at OC who has been a head coach in the past. I also presume he will not be the taking over the team next year.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no.

[Mike Wright]

Frank Reich will not make it through the season.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's the other.

[Andy Holloway]

He might.

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, and he's bringing up a good point because we know Aaron Glenn will.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

You know what I mean?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He's like.

[Jason Moore]

He's got his samurai sword out. He's ready to get to work.

[Andy Holloway]

Like you will not be the interim. I mean, not at all.

[Mike Wright]

He's already played the half season situation before, right? In Carolina?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, Reich was.

[Mike Wright]

Reich is. He's, he's, he's not unpacking it. All of his belongings. I think it's passed him by. I think that's what we saw. Very obvious. I mean, this is going to be a disaster. The jets represent the biggest challenge for the Cardinals getting this number one pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, agreed, man. It's, it's, it's a bummer.

[Mike Wright]

I'm sorry. Jets fans.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And fantasy players.

[Mike Wright]

You know it. We know.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sorry. To breeze Hall.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you have two elite players at their position? And when you go to draft Smith and Breece hall, when you go to draft those guys, it's going to be difficult and it's going to.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because you're going to have to talk about Frank Reich being your offensive coordinator and Aaron Glenn still being the head coach and Geno Smith being the quarterback. If not him, Justin Fields. It's going to be a bunch of stuff like that all off season long.

[Jason Moore]

It's Andy's thing to remember from the things to remember episode.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Bad teams ruin good players.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there you go.

[Mike Wright]

I'm sorry, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Don't draft them.

[Mike Wright]

I'm sorry. That's our, that's our analysis on Frank, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We should have. Someone's got to have odds of like who gets fired first.

[Mike Wright]

Reich or Aaron Glenn.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I do. I do think Frank Reich will be the interim head coach.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

Well, it's time to talk about Jason's favorite player of all time, Sean Manion, taking over as the offensive coordinator for your Philadelphia Eagles. My dude, Sean Manion. My boy, Sean Manion or Jason's boy, Sean Manion. Thank you okay, well, Kevin Patullo wasn't getting it done. We know that.

[Jason Moore]

And it seemed like not a lot of people wanted this job.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. Because they. I don't know. There's just a bad vibe right now with the Philadelphia offense if Aaron, or, sorry, if A.J. brown is traded right now. Goddard is not resigned as of this recording. Right?

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

And as of this recording, AJ Brown is not traded.

[Mike Wright]

Correct. But, you know, Saquon Barkley last year was a big difference. He's not getting younger question marks around Jalen hurts abilities to take the team as far as they'd like him to. Last year, they were 19th in points per game. The year before, they were seventh under Kellen Moore. The championship year, they were 24th in yards per game. The year before, they were eighth. They were 11th in rush attempts per game. They were number one the year before. That's correlated to success and leading games and then turnovers per game. That number's still good. So they didn't turn the ball over a ton.

[Andy Holloway]

But I feel like the OC For Philly, your biggest job is you are a human shield for Nick Sirianni.

[Jason Moore]

That's why people did not want, like, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. Your job is.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's why they don't want the

[Andy Holloway]

job is you show up and then if things don't go well for the team, you get to take all the blame.

[Jason Moore]

But at the same time, there is the opportunity that if things go really well for the team, it's possible that you can leave the team in a good manner like Kellen Moore did.

[Mike Wright]

That's true. I mean, they. Well, super bowl will do that.

[Jason Moore]

This is still a talented enough roster, both sides of the ball to win a Super Bowl.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because the defensive side is so good. Your task as an offensive play caller is to just be competent. You don't actually have to be a top five offense, just get in the top half. Now, Saquon last year, I mean, this is a concern for this team, and I don't know if it translates to Tank Bigsby getting opportunities or what, but among 55 qualified running backs with 80 plus rush attempts, he was 48th in percentage of runs stuffed at the line of scrimmage, 48th in rush success rate, 42nd in yards after contact per attempt. That doesn't seem great.

[Jason Moore]

Hopefully in the Tank.

[Andy Holloway]

Hopefully that is. Hopefully it's an outlier. But yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Lane Johnson miss a lot of time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but. But when. When running backs, it.

[Mike Wright]

How often do they bounce back from

[Andy Holloway]

this when it's gone it's gone, like, and it vanishes seemingly overnight. And it does. All of our heroes, this, that they play long enough, it just disappears. And then you. They still have, like, multiple years left in the league where you're hoping.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we're kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, like. Yeah, you remember. Do you remember how good Barkley was?

[Mike Wright]

It's going to be really hard.

[Andy Holloway]

Do it again.

[Mike Wright]

It's going to be hard not to draft him where he drops. That'll be the hardest challenge with Saquon Barkley because you could, you could easily talk yourself into the offensive line improving and the team improving.

[Jason Moore]

Lane Johnson, you look at the splits with him and without him as a team. Wins, losses, points, everything. He's one of the best tackles in the league and it shows, you know, so having him back and healthy, you would imagine, hey, maybe the run game will work. Maybe everything will open up and be better.

[Mike Wright]

And you're not drafting Saquon number one like you were last year. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Well. So, Jason, just very, very early, just off the top of your head, Ken Bone Walker or Saquon Barkley?

[Jason Moore]

Ken Bone Walker.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Seattle, goodbye. Clint Kubiak, you just earned yourself a head coaching job.

[Jason Moore]

Also, before, before we move on, I just was. Since we're talking about these teams and we were saying super bowl odds, looks like the Eagles are the seventh highest Super Bowl. The Rams are in fact, the favorites. Oh, and Seahawks are second.

[Mike Wright]

There you go, 14 and three, first in the NFC West. Clint Kubiak is now the head coach of the Raiders. And Brian Fleury is taking over part time Viking, full time offensive coordinator. He's got a Luke by this. By. Look at this picture here. 45 years old, was with the Dolphins and then was with the 49ers.

[Andy Holloway]

He was with Leif Erickson before that, though.

[Mike Wright]

Leif Erickson?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Is that a Viking?

[Andy Holloway]

It is, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, good. I'm sorry. That's your. That's your heritage, Jason. Didn't know I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Guys, it's.

[Mike Wright]

Are you upset back there, Papa Josh, you know what he's talking about. No, I got it. It's because you look like a Viking yourself. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

That is actually the nicest thing you've ever said to Josh.

[Mike Wright]

He took it as a hardcore compliment and you were probably around when.

[Jason Moore]

Is that not just an objective compliment if you like the look of a Viking?

[Andy Holloway]

Some people like it.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, depends if you're a man or a woman.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

I think most men would take it as a compliment.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't Know, strong.

[Mike Wright]

If I told you you looked like you're in a biker gang, would you take that as a compliment?

[Jason Moore]

No, I wouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Pretty similar.

[Mike Wright]

I think that it's a similar look.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I think the Vikings translated straight into biker gang.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly. They retired from Vikings and then they got a motorcycle. Like, I'm old. I'm going to.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, is that a biker gang?

[Jason Moore]

That's old. That's how I see them now. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, they're not all old man riding their land boats.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. The water is too tough on my tummy now. Give me flat ground. They're land boats.

[Mike Wright]

The wooden motorcycles. Those are the ones the Vikings ride.

[Andy Holloway]

Leif Erickson has a day.

[Mike Wright]

October 9th. Leif Erickson Day.

[Jason Moore]

This is a real person?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you said it's from a book.

[Mike Wright]

Genuinely? Yes.

[Jason Moore]

A history book. Jason, what is that?

[Mike Wright]

I wish I could leave you alone, but I thought he was talking about some actor that played a Viking or something. So I am out of the history books.

[Andy Holloway]

We go to the library. There's nonfiction books and fiction books. Oh, you're allowed to go, like a very famous.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not allowed to go.

[Mike Wright]

Or you could go into the nonfiction section.

[Andy Holloway]

You're allowed, huh? There's no beats. Do they have nonfiction in front of the nonfiction?

[Jason Moore]

Do they have nonfiction in audible?

[Andy Holloway]

Of course.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Well, that's news to me.

[Mike Wright]

Expectations for the Seattle offense losing Kubiak, you have to say, is a big blow, right? I mean, yes, you were. And you lost Ken Walker. So they got to re.

[Jason Moore]

And Charbonnet.

[Mike Wright]

They got to re focus the running game and. But you got jsn, right? You got Sam Darnold.

[Andy Holloway]

They really have to. They got to pick up the pieces and figure some things out here.

[Mike Wright]

They paid Rashid Shahid. We'll see if Barner Arroyo maybe breaks out a little bit in year two. Tory Horton will come back from injury. You know, you expect them to be a very good team because their defense is very good. They were number two in points per game. I don't know if we see that kind of year again. Right? We. A couple of years ago, it was like this was the story with the Lions. Right? It's like they were that good on offense. Can you repeat that? But top five, top 10, very difficult. That's what you're aiming for. Do you have confidence that Flurry will get the job done?

[Jason Moore]

No, I. I mean, you've got the same quarterback. You've got a great wide receiver. They're coming off of a Super Bowl. Great. Can they be just as good as they were last year. Yeah. But do am I confident in that when you lose your best running back, your entire running back core to start

[Andy Holloway]

the year they were number and the

[Jason Moore]

guy who is so good at manufacturing, you know the Kubiak system, that run scheme worked really well. Now he has left to become a head coach. You know we just talked about the Eagles, right. The Eagles went to a Super bowl and they had Kellen Moore and he went and took a head coaching job and they still were a good team. They still had the same offensive pieces but they didn't have Kellen Moore and the scheme wasn't as good. And then that guy got fired the next year and people were upset. I could see that happening for the Seahawks. If Kubiak was really part of the magic sauce of making this offense work.

[Andy Holloway]

They were extremely run heavy. They were when they threw they were incredibly successful. Especially going down the. I mean Sam Donald to JSN down the field was truly magic. Last year it seemed like every time he's going to throw at 20 air yards JSN will be wide open.

[Jason Moore]

But that might be because of how run heavy.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. That's what I'm saying. Of they with no Walker and you. I can't imagine that charges there at the beginning of the year. How do you maintain that if that's what. If that's what the team wants to be which I mean that you would think so as you had what Ryan Grubb 2 years ago gets fired after a great season or I should a successful season in terms of your record because we didn't like how the direction of the offense. We want to run more so we bring in Kubiak. If you don't have your two top running. Two top running backs. How do you do that?

[Mike Wright]

I think they will make a splash in the draft. I think it's very likely that they will at running back. I think that was part of the decision.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You want to pay Ken Walker big running back money.

[Jason Moore]

It's just. It's a really difficult year to make a splash.

[Mike Wright]

But they got the perfect pick to do it. Last pick of the first round.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean that. But the issue is, I mean obviously Jeremiah Love will be long gone by

[Mike Wright]

then and then splash doesn't have to be a top five pick. I'm just saying like one of the top two or three running backs on the board. They could easily draft the second running back off the board.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's all.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean with their second pick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean you got.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know how much the NFL is going to love this. This crop.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. Tampa Bay every year, always.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Josh Gazard.

[Andy Holloway]

Is Baker Mayfield the quarterback? Because that means new OC always.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, Zach Robinson, though, do we still, like. Does he still have enough of the whiff of McVeigh on him?

[Jason Moore]

It's starting to wear off.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he could be tracked by a bloodhound for sure.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, a bloodhound for.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's. There's enough. There's enough. If Robinson was lost in the woods and you gave him a McVeigh Hanky thinking they could track him down, there's enough hanky.

[Mike Wright]

The Buccaneers started 6 and 2 after the buy. They went 2 and 7. It was. It was sad. It was as sad MVP for. For Baker as it was for a book. As it was for. I mean, Evans is gone now. I think the clock is running out on Todd Bowles. This is another situation that I can see.

[Andy Holloway]

Todd Bowles is on the hot.

[Mike Wright]

You know, it's like Frank Reich versus Aaron Glenn leaving. I think if this team started slow, you could have Zach Robinson as your interim head coach.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

So, ultimately, we've come to expect changes in the offensive coordinator position for fantasy purposes. You know, I certainly am not. I don't think that Zach Robinson makes me feel way better. I don't think he makes me feel way worse about the situation. I like that Evans is out of the way for fantasy purposes, for the wide receiver room for Kate Otten. I think Baker has gotten used to getting it done with different coordinators, but I don't have, like, great. I don't think this is a major move.

[Jason Moore]

I like that it's an experienced play caller, someone that comes in and, you know, he's not trying to figure this out. We didn't know how the Grizzler would do. Sometimes you. You are able to be Liam. Liam Cohen, where, you know, you get that first shot and you prove yourself. And sometimes you get that first shot and you're like, you are found unworthy. It's nice to have someone come in, be gone, Grizzler, we know you're not bad. Zach Robinson is not working.

[Andy Holloway]

The code's not working. I can't get back in the building.

[Mike Wright]

Someone had to fall on the sword for Bulls not to leave. That's the truth of that situation is either going to be bulls out the door or somebody was going to have to get the. It's your fault, not mine.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not me. I'm not leaving.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So I, you know, I I'm going to be mildly interested in the. In the Buccaneers. I'm very excited to see where with Mike Evans leaving where a big boo is drafted will be fascinating.

[Mike Wright]

Emika Egg Big boo.

[Jason Moore]

I'm guessing that if you look at where he's going on underdog right now, it's not where he's going to land come August.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we should all guess. Kyle can tell us but we should guess where we think he's going in underdog. Like right now.

[Jason Moore]

Like now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I am going to guess he is going at. I have my guess.

[Jason Moore]

I've got mine. Wide receiver number.

[Mike Wright]

Wide receiver number.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I got mine.

[Andy Holloway]

I will guess. Wide receiver. 22.

[Mike Wright]

I had 23.

[Jason Moore]

I had 26.

[Mike Wright]

Kyle, he's 21. I think it will rise.

[Jason Moore]

I do too. Yes, I do, sir.

[Mike Wright]

I love the cadence.

[Jason Moore]

Who's really eager.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think it will rise. I do too. I think that there could be some definite reasons for optimism there as a go to. Because you go into next year. I mean Godwin. Godwin is really reliable but not explosive anymore, in my opinion. So then you're. You're looking at a Buca. Can he take the mantle there and he's. He's a good receiver. You don't do what you did in the first seven weeks, eight weeks if you're not. So we'll see Washington, boy, the wheels fell off last year. Everything went wrong and then they lost. Cliff Kingsbury, now, he was a revelation for Jaden Daniels as a rookie. David Blau.

[Andy Holloway]

Blow Blau.

[Jason Moore]

Blah blah.

[Mike Wright]

Taken over David Blau. The defense was bad guys. The backwards hat Dan. I mean, he's kind of like Doug Peterson. It really works in the beginning. That's how I feel about.

[Andy Holloway]

We do we have the numbers, Andy? I don't know if you saw them.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

So in 2024, head coach Dan Campbell went 10 and four in the regular season with Dan Campbell. I'm sorry. Dan Quinn went 10 and four in games he wore a backwards hat.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, we have backwards hat number.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. No, this Kyle gives us the stuff now just in something to note in that year, 2 and O with a beanie on.

[Mike Wright]

Just a slide factor.

[Andy Holloway]

Undefeated 2025. It flipped. Head coach backwards hat. Games 3 and 12. 2 and O with a beanie.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, undefeated.

[Mike Wright]

So wait, he hasn't lost with the beanie in two years.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

And he looks better.

[Mike Wright]

What is the someone how old is

[Andy Holloway]

he get these numbers to Quinn because

[Mike Wright]

we've done some math on like when you should be wearing a backwards hat. Don't. Don't you?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we don't.

[Mike Wright]

That's calling coward.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we can, we can lay claim to the, to the head coaching. I mean he can judge the quarterbacks with backwards hats. We can judge head coaches. Here's what I think, head coach. I think if you win a bunch of games, you can do whatever you want. And I think if you don't, you look dumb and stupid. Like that haircut for Matt LaFleur.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to look fine if he's 12. A 12 win coach.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And if you look like that, I'd

[Andy Holloway]

get the Clippers ready.

[Mike Wright]

I'd get the. Get the Clippers ready. We like bad defenses for offenses to have potential. Jaden Daniels didn't get to play much last year. Three games with McLaurin. He only started seven total.

[Andy Holloway]

We know the offense is going to look very different. David.

[Mike Wright]

Blah. Good comments about McLaren too, because the.

[Andy Holloway]

A lot has been made about from the head coach and Cliff Kingsbury arguing about what the offense should be. You know, Cliff is a very. It's a college offense where it's. Everything is shotgun and Dan Quinn wants people. He wants his quarterback under center more. He wants to get that. You utilize that to great effect for the run game. And so I would expect that that will happen a lot. Now. What, what will Jaden Daniels success be in that type of offense? Because that is. It's very different being the shotgun only quarterback versus the under center. I mean, I think Jaden's good so he'll be able to adapt to it, but it will be something to pay attention to, especially if he struggles early.

[Mike Wright]

David Block came out and said he wants to run the offense to Terry McLaren and get him 10 plus targets a game. That was one of the things that he said. He said that's going to be part of the goal of the offense, which you like to hear for free. You do, Mike. You do.

[Andy Holloway]

It's the 10 targets skepticism that. How many times are you throwing the ball?

[Mike Wright]

Like 11?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, are you throwing the ball 28 times and you're giving McLaurin 10 targets every week and just that's. It's just untenable.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's math.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know how untenable it is

[Andy Holloway]

with their current depth chart because they don't have enough.

[Jason Moore]

Who else. Who are you throwing the ball to here?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Name somebody.

[Andy Holloway]

Chig. Okonkwo.

[Mike Wright]

Well, there you go.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

What was your reaction?

[Jason Moore]

3.

[Mike Wright]

You didn't get to hear this guy lose.

[Andy Holloway]

Lose his.

[Mike Wright]

Ben Senate Love and Chicaconkwo. Do you think he'll be a pretty good asset for Fantasy? Because Zach Ertz was a very good asset for Jaden Daniels. Zach Ertz is coming off major injury

[Andy Holloway]

and that was the limited version of Zachary. It was a young, healthy Okonkwo.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no, no chance. He makes a huge impact for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay,

[Jason Moore]

Chick is fine, but there's like I said on the things, remember episode, they're all, they're all fine. They all suck. Other than the complete outliers at tight end, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's just you. Do you think he could have an outlier year?

[Jason Moore]

No, no, I think he'll be. Even if he's a, you know, a top 12 tight end, it'll be irrelevant. I don't think he is as good as Zach Ertz. I know Zach Ertz isn't as athletic as Okonkwo, but there's way more to play in that position. Zach Ertz is, you know, an all timer at tight end and so yeah, he was an old timer, all timer but still he got, he got to good spots. I think this, this team is desperate for some skill position players. They've got to be just hoping and praying that Jeremiah love drops to 7i,

[Andy Holloway]

which I don't think he does, but I bet they take Tate or Tyson, whoever, first pick. Yeah, whoever they prefer. I think they'll take one of the three.

[Mike Wright]

That will definitely change everybody's tune on McLaurin's upside for that team if they add one of the big names. McLaren's not young.

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's not.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we are going to say goodbye for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers. We will be going through a full recap of the biggest winners and losers of free agency as we recap all of that and kind of pick some of our favorites and the best situations on our next episode. And then we will do a regress or impress episode on Thursday. Catch you up on any of the latest news we haven't had a chance to talk about yet. Make sure you check out the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimate draft kit.com Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.

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