Trending or Ending + NEVER AGAIN Players - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/18

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Trending or Ending + NEVER AGAIN Players" (03/18/2025)

Release Date: March 18, 2025

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve into the dynamic landscape of fantasy football for the 2025 season. The discussion centers around identifying which player trends will continue or fade ("Trending or Ending") and evaluating players the hosts reluctantly continue to draft despite reservations ("NEVER AGAIN Players"). Packed with expert analysis, nuanced opinions, and actionable advice, this episode serves as a comprehensive guide for fantasy managers aiming to optimize their rosters.

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1. Introduction and Brief Updates [00:00 - 02:00]

The episode kicks off with a light-hearted exchange between Mike Wright and Jason Moore about their dreams involving McDonald's, setting a casual tone. Andy Holloway then welcomes listeners, mentioning they are recording early to accommodate late free-agent signings and hinting at more news updates in the next episode.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [00:34]: "You don't wake up dreaming of McDonald's fries."

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2. Giveaway and Social Media Engagement [02:00 - 03:36]

Jason Moore announces ongoing giveaways, including Drake London's jersey and the Ultimate Draft Kit, encouraging listeners to engage via social media platforms like YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Twitter.

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3. NEVER AGAIN Players: Reluctant Draft Picks [03:36 - 15:22]

**a. Breeze Hall: Andy expresses his conflicted feelings about Breeze Hall, a talented running back who's underperforming.

• Andy Holloway [04:07]: "I've been disappointed in him. I was disappointed this past year... he is a talented player."

The discussion revolves around Breeze's declining efficiency, increased competition, and upcoming free agency status. The hosts debate whether Breeze deserves a higher draft position, considering his potential and past performances.

b. Kyler Murray: Jason Moore critiques Kyler Murray's inconsistency despite his dual-threat capability.

• Jason Moore [08:12]: "He has games that he looks like the MVP of football... but he has games where he starts slow."

Andy and Mike weigh in on Kyler's fluctuating fantasy performance, questioning his reliability as a top-tier quarterback.

c. Jalen Waddle: Mike Wright cites Jalen Waddle as a "NEVER AGAIN" player he continues to draft due to his proven talent.

• Mike Wright [15:14]: "He's a good player. And three, that'll get you well."

The hosts discuss Waddle's consistent performance and potential despite labeling him as a "NEVER AGAIN" pick, emphasizing his value in fantasy formats.

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4. Trending or Ending: Player and Position Analysis [15:22 - 48:36]

a. Quarterbacks - Patrick Mahomes and Kyler Murray: The trio analyzes Patrick Mahomes' recent dip in passing touchdowns and overall efficiency.

• Jason Moore [23:17]: "He is a fantasy quarterback that was the QB8 and this year the QB11."

Andy Holloway [25:13]: Compares Mahomes' fluctuating touchdown numbers to Tom Brady's career trends, suggesting the dip might be temporary.

b. Running Backs - Kyron Williams and Alva Camara: Discussion centers on Kyron Williams trending to a higher fantasy position despite efficiency concerns.

• Jason Moore [31:07]: "Ryron is 12 because in best ball maybe I feel like they would rank players that they believe could have a higher ceiling somehow."

Alva Camara is examined for his consistent performance and durability, with Mike leaning towards considering him a trending player.

c. Tight Ends - Rookie Dominance: Jason introduces the trend of rookie tight ends dominating fantasy ranks, highlighting Sam LaPorta and Brock Bowers from previous seasons and introducing Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland as current prospects.

• Jason Moore [43:39]: "Rookie tight ends should make an impact this year."

Andy Holloway supports the trend, emphasizing the increasing integration of rookie tight ends into offensive schemes.

Notable Quote:

• Andy Holloway [45:22]: "But the fails were the last two years on two specific players. That part of the trend I do think is real."

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5. Final Thoughts and Recommendations [48:36 - 50:20]

As the episode nears its conclusion, the hosts recap their positions on the discussed players and trends. Andy remains bullish on Kyron Williams despite some reservations, Jason leans towards ending the trend with Alva Camara not meeting the 15 fantasy points per game benchmark, and Mike aligns with Jason on Camara's categorization.

Notable Quote:

• Jason Moore [35:35]: "He's going to be a fantasy relevant 12 to 14 points per game guy."

The discussion reiterates the importance of adapting to evolving player performances and being open to shifting traditional strategies, such as embracing rookie tight ends.

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6. Conclusion and Sign-Off [50:21 - End]

The hosts wrap up by promoting their Ultimate Draft Kit and inviting listeners to join their fantasy football community. They exchange light banter, maintaining the personable and engaging atmosphere characteristic of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

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Key Takeaways:

• Player Evaluation: Continuously assess player performance trends rather than relying solely on past accolades or potential.
• Quarterback Consistency: Even elite quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes may experience fluctuations, necessitating strategic drafting and weekly management.
• Running Back Strategy: Emerging running backs like Kyron Williams show potential but require careful consideration of their efficiency and role within the team.
• Tight End Trends: Rookie tight ends are becoming increasingly impactful in fantasy football, presenting both opportunities and risks.
• Flexibility in Rankings: Stay adaptable with player rankings and be prepared to pivot strategies based on evolving NFL dynamics.

This episode underscores the necessity for fantasy managers to remain vigilant, flexible, and informed to navigate the complexities of the fantasy football landscape successfully.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

You don't wake up dreaming of McDonald's fries.

[Jason Moore]

You wake up dreaming of McDonald's/Browns. McDonald's breakfast comes first.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in Tuesday, March 18, the fantasy footballers Mike Wright, Jason Moore. I'm Andy Holloway. Happy to be with you. Fun show today. Good quick question and we've got NFL news that we'll catch you up on next week. We're recording this show a little bit early so if you know we have a trickling in of a few more free agent signings, we'll cover it.

[Mike Wright]

Then we have they Hurt the Free Agents Part two.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there was not that much.

[Mike Wright]

The trickling in can just trickle right into the sewer.

[Jason Moore]

Right? It was not a frenzy is what we said. There were some things to talk about but we'll catch up on the news next week. We have trending or ending on the show today. That's going to be the main event. We'll talk about some player trends and whether you believe that they will continue or not. It's always fun to debate these. I saw the first name on the list and it was, it was a player we were talking about last off season is maybe having, you know, I know Jason had some confidence in a change and it didn't happen.

[Mike Wright]

Infinite sadness right now.

[Jason Moore]

So we'll get into that reminder. The giveaway right now assigned Drake london [e-mail] it's free to enter and the Ultimate Draft Kit available atultimatedraftkit.com you can get it at preorder pricing right this minute. If you're watching on YouTube, make sure you subscribe. Click that bell. If you are listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, click that follow button. Leave us a review if you have a couple of moments it really helps the show out and we'd appreciate it. And you can follow us on x at the FFballers. Jason is at Jasonffl, Mike is at FFhitman and I'm at Andy Holloway on there. Quick question of the day. It's It's a fun one. We've all been there. Kyle on X writes in and says, who is a player? You said in all caps never again, yet still continue to pick in your drafts.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. For me, this is Breeze Hall.

[Jason Moore]

You're still.

[Andy Holloway]

I. So still on which side? What do you mean by still?

[Mike Wright]

Like, I mean, still that you will draft this man. You have. I don't know that you've said a kind word about Breeze hall and bitterness.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, I don't know that he's given me anything to say.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we're back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, this is. This is the type of thing where it's like, I.

[Jason Moore]

Do you feel like you did this last year? Is that what you're saying, is that you felt like you.

[Andy Holloway]

I've been disappointed in him. I was disappointed this. This past year. Dealt with it a lot. And I feel like I want to be out, but I'm not entirely sure I'm out because he is a talented player. He is a good pass catcher, you know, and I'm still hopeful.

[Jason Moore]

RB1 being drafted on Underdog.

[Andy Holloway]

Is he an RB1?

[Jason Moore]

RB11?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Back end.

[Jason Moore]

These are just the kind of things that you say to a man who tries to quit something and can't quit.

[Andy Holloway]

That feels a little high. But, I mean, we, you know, we have seen him be so special on the NFL field, and he is still so young.

[Jason Moore]

What's the trick in changing expectations for a player? Because I think that's actually the greatest challenge that we're talking about here, is you expect. You have expectations for a player's level, tier, whatever you want to call it, and maybe they're not what you thought they were, but they are still valuable. But you have to, like, do you feel like you can ever get rid of those expectations because you have been so invested in Breeze hall in the past? Like, that's why he's the.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, on a personal level, I can get rid of those expectations for sure. I don't have the expectations that he's going to be the number one running back. You know, two years ago, he was the number four running back till he.

[Mike Wright]

Has a big week one.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And then, oh, we're back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But I, you know, it's. It's. It's just a matter of. You're right. It's about the expectations. And I think that people need to adjust a little bit quicker and lower.

[Mike Wright]

So I feel like putting him down at RB11 is. That's a big adjustment.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you, Mike, draft him at RB11? Do you think that that's, you know, what is your expectation for his finish?

[Mike Wright]

RB11.

[Jason Moore]

I would not.

[Mike Wright]

You won't?

[Jason Moore]

Sorry. I would not have RB11. No.

[Mike Wright]

Trying to pull it up so I can see who's going.

[Jason Moore]

Not with Braylon Allen there and Justin Fields taking over. He finished at RB17 last year. His yards per carry have gone down every year for the last three. Efficiency wise. Somehow Breeze hall has no thousand yard seasons yet. So you've also got an injury, you know, year one. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Well, thousand on the ground. Right, right. I mean he's asked to have a thousand total scrimmage yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Najee Harris has four consecutive thousand on the ground.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

That's all I'm saying is it's one of those things where to me it's adjusted expectations. He also fumbled the ball six times last year.

[Mike Wright]

He. I think they were uninterested. So going right behind Breeze is Kyron, who we're going to talk about in a second. I'd much rather have Kyron, Chase Brown.

[Jason Moore]

As of where as it is now.

[Mike Wright]

Where things stand right now, I would take Chase Brown, but Chase Brown going at RB13.

[Jason Moore]

James Cook. I would take James Cook as well.

[Mike Wright]

Brad around to 13 is. People are hedging of just in case Cincinnati drafts are running back.

[Jason Moore]

Camara's behind him, Ken Walker's behind him.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

See, I don't actually know.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe I just don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that area for Breeze.

[Jason Moore]

New head coach, new quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm out.

[Jason Moore]

Until draft day.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean TBD.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. So that, I mean breeze last year, 209. 209 attempts, 876 yards on the ground. Do you. Are you Braylon Allen fans?

[Mike Wright]

I like Braylon Allen, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Like Braylon Allen could take over.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

You don't believe it?

[Mike Wright]

No. I think he's a NFL player.

[Jason Moore]

Isn't this, I mean like a guy.

[Mike Wright]

Who should be an NFL player.

[Jason Moore]

He plays in the NFL.

[Mike Wright]

I mean we could say that about every guy who's in the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Isn't this the final year before they have to make a fifth year option decision on Breeze Hall?

[Mike Wright]

Breeze hall is a second rounder.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He doesn't even have it. So he is in.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, so he'll go, he'll be free agency.

[Mike Wright]

Are we year four?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this is going to be year four.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I just wonder. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

There was all the reports of like they don't know if they're going to try and sign him early.

[Jason Moore]

That feels like it hangs over a little bit in terms of how you might use them.

[Mike Wright]

They're going to make it work.

[Jason Moore]

I'm almost there with Kyler and I am with you.

[Mike Wright]

Are you? Dude?

[Jason Moore]

I think I'm at the never again last year kept. It's hard to pass on Kyler in the middle rounds because of what should be. What should I think that's the right.

[Mike Wright]

Way to put it. It's not even could it is it should be.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, yes. It's like when he doesn't perform that is a complete shock because of the tool set and the fact he can run the football and yet it happens so often where Look, I think the real come to Jesus moment on Kyler last year was a dominating victory against Chicago at home and he was a single digit fantasy quarterback. It told me that what once was which was the Cardinals can't win without this exact certain game plan from Kyler Murray with the rushing yardage in the passing game. Yeah, they can and they're working to improve their defense again. It's strange. I mean everything goes with the quarterback. I just think I'm getting close to that point where I don't want to make him that steal that he should be in the middle rounds and I might just want to pass on that and try something else.

[Mike Wright]

I mean half of the first 10 games for Kyler he was. He was 20 or more points.

[Jason Moore]

This is literally how it always is with Kyler. There's always like if you don't want to give that line, go ahead and give. Go ahead and tell. Tell us where he's fantasy finishes have been in the past.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, like few seasons his career.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, go let us know where he's been.

[Mike Wright]

He started seven his rookie year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Quarterback seven has the incredible year where he's the quarterback two.

[Jason Moore]

Quarterback two.

[Mike Wright]

Almost 4,000 passing yards, over 800 rushing yards, 11 rushing touchdowns. I do not remember that at all. Do you guys remember that?

[Andy Holloway]

11 rushing touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

I only remember it right before I draft.

[Mike Wright]

Did that happen? No, that can't be a. Yeah, that's not a real stat. I'm throwing that away.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, that happened.

[Jason Moore]

If you disagree with it, it's gone. How did. I mean it was pre acl, right?

[Mike Wright]

I mean yes, it was pre acl but the next year was five rushing touchdowns. I mean to go from what he did as a sophomore to where we are now with Kyler is. It's extremely disappointing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Thoughts on Kyler Jay this is a perfect answer to the question because when you miss out on the studs at the position and you're looking for someone later. You know, there were only three players who had more rushing yards than Kyler did last year at the quarterback position. And so that's the type of asset you want in fantasy football type of.

[Jason Moore]

Ammo to talk soon to a pick for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I could, I could easily see myself drafting him again.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because we can all easily see it.

[Andy Holloway]

It should work. Because it should work.

[Mike Wright]

If Marv takes a step. If he takes.

[Jason Moore]

You got Trey McBride.

[Mike Wright]

If Marv takes a single step forward and becomes a thousand yard and how many touchdowns? If he's 1,008. And then Trey McBride is doing his.

[Jason Moore]

Thing like oh, but now you're probably in a category. You know, Kyler's probably going ahead of Herbert. Right.

[Mike Wright]

I can tell you in just a moment. Let's do the same thing in basketball right now. Is the QB9.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

You said Herbert.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

QB13.

[Jason Moore]

See that. That's why he will continue to be drafted and maybe he should. But it's because you're. You're like pocket quarterback decision versus the rushing upside of Kyler. Yeah, but, but what we saw last year and being from Arizona and watching this team, it's like Kyler has games that he looks like the MVP of football.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then he has games where he starts slow and. But don't worry, he will also finish that game slow if he. He won't change mid game.

[Andy Holloway]

It's unbelievable how bad he can be in certain games where it looks like he can't see that. Looks like he can't see over his offensive line or know what's happening. But then other games he carves up a defense, you know, like he's brilliant. 47.1% of his games. This last of his last 17 games, he scored 20 fantasy points. That's a C inconsistency. It has been a very not fun process to have Kyler. And so this is one of those where. Yeah, you, you don't want that experience. You shouldn't hitch your fantasy team to Kyler. But at Wagon. Yes. Yeah, but, but, but where he's getting drafted, there's just not other people that have that dual threat upside stretch run.

[Jason Moore]

Last year in playoffs for Kyler quarterback. 23, 18, 11, 22, 13, 14.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, dude. Stroud's at QB 17. Oh man. People are mad at CJ Stroud.

[Jason Moore]

Name some quarterbacks around.

[Mike Wright]

Going around Stroud.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Right above him.

[Mike Wright]

Right above Stroud would be.

[Jason Moore]

Is Trevor Lawrence above him.

[Mike Wright]

No. 1 pick behind Drake May. Drake May is Ahead of Stroud.

[Jason Moore]

Dak. Bo Nix. Bo Knocks.

[Mike Wright]

Bo Nix is QB7 people. People are all in on Bo Nix.

[Jason Moore]

Are you going with Bo Nix just to detour here. Is that how much do you think of him like you thought of Stroud or do you have more confidence in Bo Nicks?

[Mike Wright]

I think I have more confidence in.

[Jason Moore]

Because he had. Stroud had a rookie year that was more impressive than Bo Nix. But Bo Nicks had a great year.

[Andy Holloway]

Not for fantasy. Stroud did not have a fantasy productive rookie season. That was really valuable.

[Jason Moore]

Was Nick's actually better?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, as a rookie? Yeah. Nick's had a very good 316 points.

[Jason Moore]

I'm looking at this real quick. Just.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but it was because Bo Nix runs the ball again. You need that dual threat. He had 430 rushing yards.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. It's actually a big difference.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I guess not that big. 275 to 3 roller coaster there. Yeah. I looked at last year for Stroud and he was at 220, but 275 versus 316 and half point.

[Mike Wright]

That's a big gap.

[Jason Moore]

Four point quarterback. Sorry, I just wanted to see that number.

[Mike Wright]

That was just the. That is a shocking correction to me on Stroud.

[Andy Holloway]

It feels like it could be an overcorrection. But you also have to keep in mind they lost Tank Dell. Yeah, they're. You know, the wide receivers are worse. Their offensive line right now, they've deleted it. They've traded their star left tackle. So it's hard to imagine Stroud being a fantasy star.

[Jason Moore]

But you'd both lock in kyler Murray over C.J. stroud.

[Andy Holloway]

I would, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So the never again player that you continue to pick, Mike. I said Kyler. Jason said Breeze. Who's your name?

[Mike Wright]

Kyler is a great answer. It's for me, it's Jalen Waddle.

[Jason Moore]

Writing's already on the wall because he is good.

[Mike Wright]

He is a good player. And three, that'll get you well. I mean, honestly, for fantasy football. It is one of the things that I want in my players is I want to. I want to believe that they're a good player. And I fully believe that Jalen Waddle is a good to great wide receiver. He was the wide receiver seven in fantasy three years ago. We've had the.

[Jason Moore]

This is the Terry McLaurin, D.J. moore argument, which is like we all said never again to those guys. We kept drafting because you knew they're actually good players.

[Mike Wright]

And then eventually the situation corrected itself for DJ Moore and Terry and we had incredible fantasy Football seasons for them. I don't know what the Miami offense is going to be. Are we going to have any shift back to them pushing the field vertically like they were two years ago or is it. Is this the new normal for them where they. They want to run a lot and they want to throw the ball short to HN and John Smith. But Waddle is good. So I will continue to draft him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You feel that the temptation will not be resisted.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, 23% of his game. Oh, it was the benchmark. That is a consistent score of an.

[Mike Wright]

F. I'd give him lower if I could. Can we. Can we F minus.

[Jason Moore]

Can we G this guy?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So that's going to be a tough one to Jalen Waddle.

[Mike Wright]

What if I told you that right now in best ball he's the wide receiver 31.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let's do the same. The same experiment is going right around right above him.

[Mike Wright]

Right above him would be Christian Olave, Jordan Addison, Rasheed Rice.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take all three.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would too.

[Mike Wright]

Rice is.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's going behind him?

[Mike Wright]

Rice is difficult with the legal situation of. We just don't know yet.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Who's going right behind Cortland Sutton?

[Jason Moore]

Who.

[Mike Wright]

I think I would take Sutton over Waddle. Chris Godwin, who will probably rapidly rise.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He will not stay at 33 and then Pickens is at 34. Would you go Waddle or Pickens? I think I'd go Waddle.

[Jason Moore]

Both would. Both. I'd make a gross face. Both with both picks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

I'd be like.

[Mike Wright]

But he's good.

[Jason Moore]

He is good. He is good. I look you talk about a course correction on Stroud. That's going to be the reaction to Miami's offense. It's like Tua was a very good quarterback at the end of the year but their fantasy production was very, very bad.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Like I think he was like a record setting completion percentage over the over the very back part of the year, if I'm not mistaken.

[Mike Wright]

Well, when you're just slightly tossing a.

[Jason Moore]

Ball forward even fantasy wise he had QB 2, 5 and 4 in back to back to back weeks. But he's, you know, it's that seven seven a completion but 317 yards, 365 yards, 331 yards.

[Mike Wright]

How are you putting up three straight games of over 300 passing yards when he came back? When you're not going down the field.

[Jason Moore]

74% complete John Hu Smith, baby. Yeah, I mean 74%. But their points for as a team down nine a game from number two to 22.

[Mike Wright]

Open it back up.

[Andy Holloway]

They've got to figure some stuff out.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we'll be talking about offenses and whether they're willing to open it back up here in a second, we'll take a break and we'll jump into trending or ending. This show is sponsored by Better Help. Who is your support system? How have they changed your life? I know that I've had friends, family, pastors, a support system in my life that has included therapy and my community, and it's been helpful to me. And when you think about your favorite leaders, when you think about your mentors, your idols, they do not have all of the answers, but they do know when to ask questions or to seek support from their community. We have a society that glorifies hyper independence, and it's easy to forget that we're better when we have a support system behind us. BetterHelp is fully online making therapy affordable and convenient, and it serves over 5 million people worldwide. You can access a diverse network of more than 30,000 credentialed therapists with a wide range of specialties. And the nice thing with BetterHelp is that you can easily switch therapists anytime at no extra cost. Build your own support system with BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.comfootballers to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp. H-E-L-P.com Footballers Today's show is brought to.

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[Jason Moore]

All right, Andy, Mike and Jason here, the fantasy footballers ready to break down some interesting numbers and some interesting players. And what we believe going into 2025.

[Andy Holloway]

Trending or ending?

[Mike Wright]

The graphics are on an absolute heater right now.

[Jason Moore]

The graphics have been very good. Somebody has decided to step it up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

About time.

[Jason Moore]

And I don't know why it took 10 years.

[Mike Wright]

I mean this is what happens when you hire a graphics person.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, to work here in the studio.

[Mike Wright]

Your old guy who's doing graphics like.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, getting a little thirsty.

[Andy Holloway]

I gotta step up my game.

[Jason Moore]

I will commit more than six minutes to this one. Oh, I can still see the picture of the judges. The judge's hair over my hair.

[Mike Wright]

That was the beginning of the end.

[Jason Moore]

That was. All right, trending or ending? This is going to be a big discussion here. These are all by the way, we're looking at multi season trends. So two years, the last two years. Are these trends continuing or are they ending? And it's Patrick Mahomes. He's had two consecutive years with fewer than 30 passing touchdowns. That has moved him from the must.

[Mike Wright]

Have always fewer than 28 passing touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. Yeah. It's been a big adjustment for the Chiefs. Now they were super bowl champions in 2023, runners up in 2024. But you've got a fantasy quarterback that was the QB8 and this year the QB11. You talked about our consistency rankings. He is an F23% of the time above 20 points. We're talking about a player that was. That was the. A huge part of the conversation every week in fantasy to a player that was barely talked about last year. Right. I mean this was not somebody we were eager to start at any point. Frustrated to watch the games. You talked about Miami not airing it out. That is the story in Kansas City.

[Mike Wright]

Kyler was better. I mean for how we just had a whole tirade of how the season felt awful for fantasy purposes for Kyler. And it was a better overall fantasy season than Patrick Mahomes. And is. It is terrifying to like you still. He won't get overcorrected like Stroud. Where is Mahomes going an underdog right now? The QB6. I think that sounds about fair for someone who can do what Mahomes is doing, but you're three years removed from that actually happening. And so, Jay, are you taking that chance at QB6 or is this the. Is this who it is? Is this the trend?

[Andy Holloway]

So the issue that I have, there's like two different things you can look at. One that makes it feel like a trend and one that makes it feel like it's going to end. If you want to look at touchdowns, right, Touchdowns are one of those things that some years you have a bunch. Some years it's.

[Jason Moore]

He went from 50 to 26 in years two and three of his career. So they fluctuate and then back up to 38, 37.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you go back and you look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady went 40, 50 in 2007. The next full season, 28. He wasn't bad at football. That was halfway through his career. Then 36, 39, 34, then 25. Like those things happen. The touchdowns are not as predictable as all the other stats, and they're supposed.

[Mike Wright]

To be for Patrick Mahomes, but I.

[Andy Holloway]

Believe his touchdowns will rise. I think those will come back up. The issue that makes it feel like a trend is the style of football that he's playing and the yards per attempt. That's one of those things where he was always living in the eights, you know, 8, 8.1, 8.8, 8.3, 8.1. Those were his yards per attempt. And that's just how he played football. And he. He bypassed the sevens, basically. And now last year, 6.8 yards per attempt, he didn't even hit 4,000 passing yards. So it's really hard for me to take him at quarterback six, you know, with.

[Jason Moore]

Well, and combine yards per attempt going down and total attempts declining four consecutive years. So you're passing less for fewer yards.

[Andy Holloway]

While winning Super Bowls and getting to Super Bowls. So this isn't like a. We've got to fix. The Kansas City Chiefs and any Reed are not thinking that they have a problem to fix.

[Jason Moore]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

Because they don't have a problem to fix.

[Jason Moore]

See, some people think because of the embarrassing super bowl loss, that means that they're going to completely try to reset the offense. I don't know if that's true. I think, genuinely, I don't think Patrick Mahomes is playing at the same level. He's still great, but I don't think he's playing at the same level. And I don't think we've had one single conversation where we Blamed him for Travis Kelce's production because Kelsey's got the, he's got the crutch of. You can automatically just point at age. Yeah, but we've never once said, okay, could Mahomes have had anything to do with Kelsey's decline in production?

[Mike Wright]

Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And when you watch he does not look as good. You know, there were a bunch of plays, obviously the super bowl, that pass rush really ate him alive. And you don't want to make one game be you know who he is. But he, he did not look as good as he used to.

[Jason Moore]

If you want to look at a kind of a more objective metric for the quarterback play, his passer rating has been lower the past two years than the previous five by a decent margin. It's not bad. He's still great. But this is a fantasy discussion on whether the trend continues or ends. And I am on the trend continues category.

[Andy Holloway]

I am as well. I will not be drafting Sandy.

[Mike Wright]

You'd be out on that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's too high.

[Mike Wright]

That's just too high for some context here would be. So you could bypass Mahomes and go Bo Nix Baker, Kyler Mahomes at Sixes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a tricky situation when you just read those names. What that said to me was I want a top five quarterback. And you know, we're always, you know, late round quarterback and trying to find the Jaden Daniels, the Steel at the end and maybe there will be some that are much later that I think have the value to use my early picks on more premium positions. But at the same time, the way that these mobile quarterbacks, you know, the Josh Allen, Jalen hurts over the last couple years, Lamar Jackson this last year, Jaden Daniels, they are really the ones on rosters winning championships. They really are. And so Jaden Daniels late round, great, that works. But you've got to, you've got to find that this year. And fantasy drafters, we're getting smarter and smarter and smarter every single year. There's not the glaring obvious mistakes where you're like that's clearly who it should be. I mean obviously this last year there was one and you know that was one of your. My guys.

[Jason Moore]

It felt like we returned a little bit to finding that nugget with Jaden Daniels because I mean it was like Lamar and Allen in years past felt like we got back there a little bit with. But I mean you obviously have to pick the right one. It wasn't. I mean people were drafting Stroud, people were drafting Anthony Richardson and those were not the Right ones.

[Mike Wright]

The this player in the tier could be too low. But I think it's interesting who has better passing stats at the end of the year. We're talking, you know, yardage and touchdowns. Mahomes or Matthew Stafford who has just added devonte Adams so tracted Cooper Cup. Right. I'm just saying is that addition by subtraction?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. I'm saying you can't just simply be like he added devonte Adams now his pass his course so much better because he'd also took a massive hit.

[Jason Moore]

I'm only chuckling because I can because Adams I just know. I know, I know how you love that guy, man. Adams love that Cooper cup was.

[Mike Wright]

Adams was objectively good last year and Cooper cup at least for that the end of the season was objectively good.

[Jason Moore]

I will still take my homes.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Stafford has. Stafford has the personnel to have big games, but he's had that for a while. And Stafford still just muddles around. I mean what was his numbers list?

[Mike Wright]

The numbers were not great. But you had. You have to go back a while. You know, it's the first year when he was with the Rams he had the sensational. I'm not going 5040 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

I can't go back with him.

[Andy Holloway]

Stafford has not been 20 touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

2410.

[Andy Holloway]

So I was going to say the touchdown throwing that has been his fantasy problem.

[Mike Wright]

Right. But his. Was that a Cooper cup problem?

[Andy Holloway]

I think that was a Kyron Williams problem. I think you know the touchdowns on the ground, when they get near the goal line, they're very good at that.

[Jason Moore]

Kyron Williams trending or ending top six fantasy running back. He has finished as the RB6 in back to back.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh no, don't do it, Karen. Don't do it more.

[Jason Moore]

Jason can see a 666 faster than anybody. I mean look, you know your numbers, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. That's scary.

[Jason Moore]

Trending or ending Kyren as a top six fantasy running back. When you predict a fantasy finish for a running back, it is about that player, but it's also about your confidence in other players. And I, I feel like if I say ending, I'm a Kyron hater.

[Andy Holloway]

That is what I will label you.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like I've been labeled that before.

[Andy Holloway]

So you're going to say trending then.

[Jason Moore]

But I'll go ending.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're a Kyren hater. Yeah, you are and always have been.

[Jason Moore]

I guess so. I mean he was.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the reason you hate him is because 82% of his games were Great. And he has an A consistency. And if you. If you had him, you won championships.

[Jason Moore]

And just once, week after week after.

[Andy Holloway]

Week, you just kept winning. Owl. How did. How did your season go?

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

It went pretty well. Did you have Kyron?

[Mike Wright]

I did.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you. You got a trophy? I do.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well, let's just. Let's put it to the test real quick because maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. You're taking Saquon over him. You're taking Gibbs over him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

You're taking Bijan over him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Are you taking. Are you taking HN over.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Or Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Henry's.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, maybe Henry and Kyron are Henry.

[Mike Wright]

And where are you with me on McAfee J. Are you ready to.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Are you taking. You're taking.

[Mike Wright]

I would take McCaffrey.

[Andy Holloway]

I would take Kyron.

[Jason Moore]

You're trending then.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm definitely trending. You know, he was one of those.

[Jason Moore]

Guys, like, maybe I should be trending.

[Andy Holloway]

Going into last year, that I was very personally bullish on not being Blake Corum, that Kyron was super good for this offense and that they wanted to use him the way that they did and had success with. And I am still just as bullish going into this next season. But I love his. That. That is not very. It's not widespread. That is not universal. A lot of people have doubts.

[Jason Moore]

Let me give you some numbers on Kyren, and then we'll look at the underdog adp, which is kind of wild. He has led the NFL in each of the following categories as a red zone player, red zone touches, percentage of teams, rush attempts inside the red zone, red zone, rushing touchdowns inside the five, which is 14 of them. And over the last two years, he has 31 total touchdowns and 28 games played where only Gibbs can match that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so that. That's what I was talking about.

[Jason Moore]

Underdog AD is RB12, but of 46.

[Mike Wright]

Qualifying running backs with 100 or more carries, Kyron was 44th in explosive rush rate, which is percentage of your carries that go for more than 15 yards. He was 45th in fumbles. He was 34th in yards per carry. Again over those 46 qualifying running backs who had the 100 plus carries. So the efficiency it compared to.

[Jason Moore]

Is he a super Najee?

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I think he's better than super Najee. He.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, based on those numbers, you're telling me that Najee had a higher explosive run rate?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah. I mean, specifically 15 yard runs or more. That's just not really his. Well, when I think of players style of play.

[Jason Moore]

When I think of players that are at that level of like you score a bunch of touchdowns, you're super involved in the offense. Najee does come to mind a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

That's why I was, I got, I got you.

[Jason Moore]

I was curious. I think he's better than Najee. I just. He's on the cusp of contract situation too. Right. And they, they've at least vocally come out and said they want, they want.

[Andy Holloway]

To try to extend a long term deal. Get him a deal. And he was asked, not learned their Todd Gurley lesson.

[Jason Moore]

He's at 4.1 a carry.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Down from 5.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he won't get Todd Gurley money.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. I'm just saying don't pay lots of money to extend running backs.

[Jason Moore]

I mean 356 total opportunities last year, up from 276 the year before.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's a beast.

[Jason Moore]

That was. You know, he had missed some games the year before, but that was the year he ended so strongly. There was almost nobody better than him over the back half of the year. He was on 378 opportunity pace that year. Yeah, I mean and he pretty much.

[Andy Holloway]

Hit that two years ago when he was the running back. Six. He only played 12 games.

[Jason Moore]

All right, I'm switching.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, all right.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going trending, I think. I think he's my five or six and that would put him in trending. Who in the world? So RB12 in best ball.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Give me some of those names. Ahead of him is it is like mixing ahead of him.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been in like what, like the third round.

[Mike Wright]

So right ahead of him with Breeze Hall.

[Jason Moore]

Breeze hall ahead of him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Breeze hall is one spot ahead of him. Bucky Irving. That's an interesting one. Bucky or Kyren.

[Jason Moore]

Who's got the higher chance of being the RB one on the year? Bucky or Kyren?

[Andy Holloway]

I think Kyren because I'm trying to.

[Jason Moore]

Figure out why he's 12 because in best ball maybe I feel like they would rank players that they believe could have a higher ceiling somehow.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm telling you, people hate Kyron Williams.

[Jason Moore]

Explosive plays do make an impact. I feel like people hated Josh Jacobs, but Josh Jacobs keeps being productive and people hate him too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Where is Jacobs going? Josh Jacobs at the RB9 on Underdog right now.

[Jason Moore]

Ashton Gent. He's up there. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Going from Kyron's sophomore year where he was everything to. He's still great for fantasy football. But you saw the efficiency dip way back that Just that that's usually a pretty big red flag. But if this team is committed to him getting that amount of work, he can easily do what he did last year and then has room to be better.

[Jason Moore]

Do you what is your formal. Is it trending or ending for you, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to. Between those two, I would say closer to trending.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

No, you cannot.

[Jason Moore]

In fact, he went from 15 points per game to a low ADP to 16 and a half points per game last year. And just for context, here's a list of running backs age 30 plus to average 15 plus fantasy points per game since 2010. Our good old friend Fred Jackson. Adrian Peterson in 2015. Mark Ingram in 2019. Most are last year. And Henry last or sorry, most are two years ago.

[Mike Wright]

Henry last year, like Camara has played eight seasons. And assuming I'm doing this correct real quick, that was his fourth best season in points per game.

[Andy Holloway]

Gosh, that's the value.

[Jason Moore]

It's two years after trying to kill him. People trying to end him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure he was their leading receiver in receptions last year. So you look at that wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, that's. It's the receiver room. And it's also Derek Carr type of play at the beginning there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, but he's got Derek Carr and he's got a bad receiver core. So like, why would we think that that's going to change now? You can easily make the ending case because it will end based on age. And you could say, you know, if his efficiency keeps just getting Worse, he can be targeted but not be. I mean 15 fancy points per game is a very, very high bar and half PPR to get.

[Jason Moore]

And he just signed a two year 24 and a half million dollar contract in October.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

The bet on Camara, 22 million dollars of guaranteed money.

[Andy Holloway]

And his. What is his ADP.

[Mike Wright]

Let me find it for you.

[Jason Moore]

He's RB18 in basketball.

[Mike Wright]

18. So going right around.

[Jason Moore]

He will permanently be in this category for the rest of his career. And whether he outperforms it or not will be the trending or ending question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it'll just be when does it end? You know, it's not ending, it's like over. He's going to be good until the, until you know, he's washed and he did the right.

[Jason Moore]

I mean like he played the drop my ADP game really well which was he had a low adp, played amazing, then got hurt and sat out your playoffs and hurt you and you know, now he's back, probably underdrafted. Yeah, I could have used him against you, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I get that. The weirdness, the swinging of the pendulum of how wild we're willing to go with this of it was like last year, not only did running backs stay healthy and were awesome like old running backs that we have historically been able to bet against, you have, you have a strong probability chance if you say this running back is 28, 29. Not for me.

[Jason Moore]

They all worked out.

[Mike Wright]

Like they all worked. It's like, dude, it can't. That has to be an anomaly.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the bar here for trending or ending is the 15 plus fantasy points per game which he was only barely, you know, he was right on in 23, barely ahead of it in 24. You know, you got Kellen Moore coming in. I don't know how that impacts your view of the team. I think, I think I'm going to go ending. I think he's going to be a fantasy relevant 12 to 14 points per game guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I actually agree with you that he probably does not get to 15, but I'm totally in on him next year. This is if the bar is only. Will he get to 15 fantasy points per game? Probably not because you will have some changes there with the coordinator and the offense as a whole. But he is obviously the best, most reliable offensive weapon. So he'll be targeted a lot in the passing game. He'll be used around the goal line. He'll be good for fantasy. But I doubt, you know, and I wouldn't be surprised if they draft another. They've got to plan for their future at running back. This is such a loaded running back draft class and it seems like Kendra Miller is not it. So I would, I think I would be surprised. I'd be surprised if we go through the draft and they don't draft running back. So in on Alva camara, not on 15 fantasy points a game.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, it's a cop out, but I'm with Jason.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's pivot from a player to a fantasy trend that we've seen for two straight years. Rookie tight end dominance for fantasy football. And it's fair to say dominance because in 2023, rookie Sam LaPorta was the tight end one. In 2024, rookie Brock Bowers was the tight end one. And this year Tyler Warren, Colston, Loveland, both projected to be top 20 picks, at least according to the mock drafts that we've been seeing. Both very talented. Jason, you just did a Dynasty episode on these tight ends, so I'd love to hear from you first. I know it's been a, you know it's hard because you have history over long periods of time, but you have transition in team philosophies. You also have talent questions with Laporta and Bowers that obviously they worked out perfectly but they weren't necessarily the most. Like we've had Pitts and we've had Kincaid and we've had other players. So where were you on Warren and Loveland From a talent perspective.

[Andy Holloway]

From a talent perspective, they're, they're very good. I've got Warren ahead and I also personally like Fannin a lot as another incoming.

[Mike Wright]

Harold.

[Andy Holloway]

Harold Fannin Jr. So there's to me, there are three tight ends being drafted this year that have a real opportunity to make an impact on fantasy football this year. Right away, obviously Brock Bowers is his own thing.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm not saying that the trend is another tight end one.

[Jason Moore]

No, we're not going tight end one. We're going.

[Andy Holloway]

But I shifted and I said this last year because I have been historically a very anti rookie tight end for fantasy and the hit rate on that is pretty much like 92%. But the fails were the last two years on two specific players. That part of the trend I do think is real. I think you got to look at modernity with the NFL and see how these players are integrated earlier in their playing careers at tight end. And the NFL is a copycat league. When they see some of these rookies come in and make an impact right off the bat, more and more teams are going to allow those, especially the higher draft, highly drafted players to get plugged into the offense earlier. So the combination of this year being a really good tight end draft class with the last few years, what's happened in the NFL, I certainly think it's a trend and you know, I said it on our episode, our previous episode, that some of the late round tight ends that I'll be targeting might be these rookies over like a Dalton Kincaid who we've seen have a couple years and has a ton of opportunity and still has talent, but you know he's failed. I'm going to take a shot at someone that is fresh and could jump on the scene and make an impact.

[Jason Moore]

What do you think, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

So trending like Laporta last year was 60726 yards and seven touchdowns. Okay. If you want to give me that stat line and say that either Warren or Loveland hit that, I, I think that's possible.

[Andy Holloway]

The.

[Mike Wright]

We're in a weird like the combination of laporta and Bowers to me finishing as the overall number one fantasy tight ends. I think it is a. The Laporta one is throwing off like your radar where Laporta came in and is a Rookie and had 10 touchdowns. Like that's Sam Laporta great. But is he going to be a 10 touchdown every single year type of guy? I don't, I don't think so. And on top of that tight end scoring that year was incredibly low. Brock Bowers then coming in here feeling like, oh well, the trend is rookie wide or rookie tight ends in can be this type of an impact. Brock Bowers. Go watch, go watch Brock Bowers film in college and then watch Warren and Loveland like these. It's not the same.

[Andy Holloway]

That was exactly.

[Mike Wright]

Brock Bowers is. He's so much better than those guys and I really like Warren and Loveland, but Brock Bowers is, is a truly special player. Where Warren and Loveland feels more like.

[Jason Moore]

Likeland, based on what you're saying, you know Boston, that's not good.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Jason Moore]

It's the last 10 minutes of the show, so give it a whirlwind like.

[Mike Wright]

Trending that if you're going to say one of these tight ends finishes in the top 10. Okay. But it's. I think the bigger question is will one of them be meaningful impact.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Because a tight end 7 like if you had Laporta, unless you survived and made it to the playoff run where he was awesome, you were. He was killing you throughout the season.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It Makes sense. I think I lean. You know how it is. Tight ends are thin. It's a thin group of guys. And when you look at the back, you know, quartile as Jason would say.

[Mike Wright]

Of your draft, he would go tertile.

[Jason Moore]

Oh I'm sorry. The final turtile of your draft and you look at the decisions to make with it. Is it a Kincaid or a Pitts or a Friar Muse or even a Nijoku without a quarterback or you can take a shot on maybe a better situation for a rookie tight end. I think we no longer have to be scared of it. I think that might be part of the headline here. Let's not be, let's not be so frightened. Let's be open.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair.

[Jason Moore]

Let's be open to situation.

[Mike Wright]

We will open our hearts.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

To the rookie tight ends.

[Jason Moore]

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Otherwise NFL draft is April, right? Yeah, dude.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

This is how it works now, Mike. Oh man, it's non stop. So very much looking forward to it. Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the show. We'll catch you again on Thursday. Take care everybody.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

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