Fantasy Football - Ultimate Draft Week + ADP Price Check! - Podcast for 4/21

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Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Episode Summary

Episode Title: Ultimate Draft Week + ADP Price Check!
Date: April 21, 2026
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Episode Overview

This episode kicks off with ultimate excitement for Draft Week 2026. Andy, Jason, and Mike take listeners through the major pre-draft NFL storylines, their personal draft “dreams,” and deliver a unique “ADP Price Check” segment, breaking down early average draft positions and whether certain popular fantasy footballers are values or overvalued for the upcoming season.

The hosts employ their trademark blend of astute analysis, humor, and insight into both NFL reality and fantasy landscapes. Listeners also get a peek into the hosts’ league-of-record keeper dilemmas and dynasty strategy, helping to synthesize practical fantasy decisions amidst all the pre-draft hype.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. NFL News and Draft Week Vibes

• Big Trade Analyzed: The Bengals acquire Dexter Lawrence from the Giants for the #10 pick.
  • Fantasy Impact: Hosts lament improved defenses negatively affecting fantasy points for offensive opponents, especially for the Bengals and Cowboys.
  • Historical Note: Rare for a non-QB to fetch a top-10 pick. (03:08, Andy Holloway: “This is like the first time in 21 years… a top 10 pick was traded for a non quarterback.”)
• Giants’ Fantasy Potential: Now hold two top-10 picks, likely targeting an impact offensive player.
• Ultimate Draft Week Giveaway: Listener league spot, signed jerseys for those who buy the Ultimate Draft Kit.

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2. “Draft Dreams” – Hypothetical Rookie Scenarios

Each host pitches their fantasy dream draft pick—often tongue-in-cheek or “hater” fueled:

• Andy’s Dream: Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs (08:22).
  • Hilarious dynamic: Andy admits it would both maximize the fun of Love on the Chiefs and torment Mike as a Ken Walker fan.
  • Quote: “Some people just want to watch the world burn…” (09:12, Jason Moore)
• Mike’s Dream: Adam Randall to Washington—sees major upside if Randall lands in a wide-open RB room. (10:35)
  • Intrigue in converted WRs at RB with breakaway potential in fantasy.
• Jason’s Dream: Kenyan Sadiq (TE) landing with the Jets – not a big fan of Sadiq, likes the chaos and the potential for Jets to fumble skill position targets. (12:43)
• Underlying Theme: Draft capital, landing spot, and opportunity are critical for both real and fantasy value.

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3. Big-Time NFL Rumors & Notes

• A.J. Brown Trade Likely: Schefter’s report of Eagles trading A.J. Brown to Patriots is considered imminent (14:26).
  • Fantasy Fallout:
    • Eagles will need to address WR early in the draft.
    • Devonta Smith’s stock rises: "Definitely go 39% target share in games without A.J. Brown." (16:18 Jason Moore)
    • “Jalen Hurts is not a better quarterback without him.” (16:16 Andy Holloway)
• Jacoby Brissett Drama: Cardinals’ starting QB not attending OTAs, holding out for starter money, big photo on team wall.
  • Mike quips: "It's like, I'm not getting paid." (18:13)
• Other News:
  • 49ers sign Trent Williams, Cowboys make kicker Brandon Aubrey the highest-paid at his position.
  • Alec Pierce out after ankle surgery, expected to recover in three months.
  • Some RB rumors (Ty Simpson to Arizona).

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4. ADP Price Check!

Hosts review current Best Ball ADPs (mainly from Underdog drafts), guessing where players are being picked and debating their fantasy value versus cost.

Main Players Discussed:

Jaden Daniels (QB, Commanders)

• 2025 Recap: Injury-plagued year, only a couple games with McLaurin. “It was a lost season.” (26:26 Jason)
• Current ADP: QB3, 6th round (06.02).
  • All hosts surprised he’s back as a top-3 QB option, given minimal 2025 production.
  • “Seems like he is not [a value].” (31:34, Jason)
• ADP Value: High upside for rushing; actual value may depend on team adding another elite WR at #7.
• Quote (draft capital inertia): “People are like, I’m just deleting it.” (29:41 Andy)

Treyveon Henderson (RB, Patriots)

• 2025 Recap: Breakout games post mid-season, but still some usage concerns.
• Current ADP: RB20, late 4th/early 5th round (4.11).
  • Hosts worry about “Charbonne-ing” (committeeing) due to Ramondre’s presence.
  • “If it gets flipped then, then he's a steal at running back 20.” (34:14 Mike)

Jaylen Warren & Rico Dowdle (RBs, Steelers/Cowboys)

• ADPs: Warren at RB29, round 7; Rico Dowdle at RB31.
• Ambiguous Backfields: Hosts highlight strategy of targeting uncertain but potentially lucrative backfields late—the “bridesmaid” years of Rico Dowdle.
• Fantasy Take: “Every team he’s been on...he's never... whatever is happening in the locker room, we've seen it, it's kind of like when you talk about Kenneth Walker: you're not sure how it's going to fail, but it just always does some way.” (39:24 Jason)

Chris Godwin (WR, Buccaneers)

• Status: Age 30, injury-marred seasons but opportunity with Mike Evans gone.
• ADP: WR43, 8th round.
  • Classic “floor” pick, could be PPR gold if he’s truly the #1 for Baker. Hosts divided about his ceiling.

Brian Thomas Jr. (WR, Jaguars)

• 2025 Recap: Rookie year stardom, big sophomore bust.
• Current ADP: WR31.
  • Hosts are stunned none of the Jags WRs are inside the top 30, despite an elite offense.
  • “How can you have an offense that good and no one being drafted in the top 30 Wide Receiver?” (53:53 Andy)
  • “If I take a shot, it’s on Brian Thomas Jr.” (53:49 Jason)

Colston Loveland (TE)

• Status: Rookie TE hype growing.
• Current ADP: TE3, late 4th round.
  • “As much as we all love Colston Loveland, you can't draft him over McBride or Bowers.” (57:08 Mike)
  • Hosts debate if he’s actually undervalued for the breakout potential.

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5. League of Record Discussion & Keeper Dilemmas

• Each host reviews their own keeper questions in their league’s unique lottery keeper system.
• Humor and humility abound as they debate the merits of franchise tagging top talents (e.g., Malik Nabers, Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Robinson, CMC, Puka Nacua, Kyren Williams, etc.)
• Fun Quote (on sentimental keepers):
  • “The measure of my heart wants that dog on my team.” (58:44 Andy)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dexter Lawrence’s trade value:
  “That’s not—there’s not a lot of precedent here.” (03:08, Jason Moore)
• On dream draft chaos:
  “Some people just want to watch the world burn.” (09:12, Jason Moore)
• On ambiguous RB battles:
  “He just always does some way...its like, no matter… teams are just like, he does not matter to us at all.” (39:51 Jason on Rico Dowdle)
• On the value of ambiguous depth charts:
  “You will track this…stick with the show. We’ll track this over training camp, where the drumbeat, who’s getting the buzz…” (40:49 Mike)
• On WR breakout history:
  “Cooper Kupp was one of those players…we have seen them be great before…and then Cooper Kupp was the number one wide receiver in all of fantasy.” (52:31 Jason)
• On the importance of heart in keepers:
  “The measure of my heart wants that dog on my team. I want that dog.” (58:44 Andy)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• NFL Trade & Draft News: 02:05–04:42
• Draft Dreams (landing spot scenarios): 07:15–14:15
• A.J. Brown Trade Fallout: 14:26–17:00
• Steelers & Cowboys RB room ambiguity: 36:32–42:47
• ADP Price Check (Jaden Daniels, Henderson, Warren, Godwin, Thomas Jr, Loveland): 23:44–58:10
• League of Record / Keeper Strategies: 58:10–end

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Tone & Language

• Language is conversational, lively, full of inside jokes and friendly ribbing.
• The tone is expert yet approachable, with plenty of humor, humility, and camaraderie.

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Conclusion

On the cusp of the NFL Draft, the Footballers deliver the mix of deep fantasy insight and entertainment that fans crave. From breaking down blockbuster trades to tracking real-time ADP overcorrections, the hosts equip listeners to think about draft capital, opportunity, and risk-reward in both dynasty and redraft settings. The “ADP Price Check” is a key segment, as is their discussion of ambiguous backfields and receiver corps with breakout potential. High-stakes league keeper talk wraps up the show, giving a practical peek at how true experts think through their fantasy priorities and attachments.

For anyone ready to draft (or dynasty die-hards), this episode is a must-listen!

Transcript

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

Tuesday, April 21, the fantasy footballers Podcast. Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway.

[Jason Moore]

Draft week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, baby. We're here. And the Giants have extra picks. Oh, do you. Do you realize that was the first time? Is like getting way ahead of the news. But Dexter Lawrence was traded straight up for the number 10 overall pick in the draft. So the Bengals, I mean, we got to be honest, you look at the numbers behind what Dexter Lawrence brings to a defense devastating for Mike. Because we have a strict fantasy football policy on this show. We don't want the Bengals getting better on defense and we don't want the Cowboys getting better on defense. I mean, and they are going to be better with Dexter Lawrence.

[Mike Wright]

They will. But they lost Hendrickson.

[Jason Moore]

They did.

[Mike Wright]

So, I mean, can you imagine that defense without one of those?

[Jason Moore]

They didn't have Hendrickson for a lot of last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, I.

[Jason Moore]

And it was great.

[Andy Holloway]

I saw the numbers. New York was just atrocious without Dexter Lawrence on the field last year. But this is like the first time in 21 years or something like that that a. That a top 10 pick was traded for a non quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I saw the post. I forget which one of the big insiders was saying, oh, there's. They posted it in a way where it was like, there's precedents for this. This has happened before in 1986. It was like, wait, this has been a minute. That's not. There's not a lot of precedents here.

[Andy Holloway]

And it was one of those deals where it's like there's not a bunch of other pieces moving around. No other picks later on.

[Jason Moore]

It was just pretty fantasy football. Yeah, it was. I love it because all I saw was how much each team fleeced the other and how. Yeah, good the trade was or bad the trade was. And honestly, when I look at. Seems really wise and smart for both parties. I get it from both of their situations. I don't think the Bengals were going to find at 10 in this draft a player that good at a position of need. Yeah, they have to pay him. But the contract they signed was not that bad.

[Mike Wright]

They added like one year of.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they did one year.

[Andy Holloway]

28 million.

[Jason Moore]

Gave somewhere around 12 million a year. It's like the number 10 pick was going to be 6 million a year for a rookie.

[Andy Holloway]

It might be great for both teams. It really might. And it, you know, now the Giants, for fantasy purposes, like, they've got two top 10 picks and one of them is going to be a impact offensive player, most likely, because I don't think they're going to spend both of them on the defensive side. They were already rumored around Jeremiah Love or Jordan Tyson or Carnell Tate or any of these guys. Now we get to find out what happens and it happens on Thursday. But first.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Big announcement. You hear that? There's an announcement, Al? I did.

[Jason Moore]

I'm anxiously awaiting.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's draft week. It is draft week and we have a very special ultimate Draft week giveaway. It is the ultimate Draft week. We're giving away a spot in the coveted Fantasy Footballers Listener league. That is the grand prize. We are giving away a signed Jamar Chase jersey and a signed Bijan Robinson jersey. If you're watching on YouTube.com the fantasy footballers, you can see them on the back wall here. But all you got to do, and you do it every year anyways, is pick up the Ultimate Draft Kit. Atultimatedraftkit.com you're going to get instant access to a bunch of features when the full UDK releases on June 1st you'll get even more access to everything you need to win on draft day, including new features we're going to be bringing to you this year.

[Jason Moore]

And if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member already, you are already in this. You will always be in all of our giveaways.

[Andy Holloway]

If you are not or if you have the udk.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not an Ultimate Foot Clan member, people make mistakes. We forgive you. It's totally understandable. Maybe you didn't even know. Maybe you're new to the show. I don't know. But you can go to footclan.com and just, you know, rectify that and then you get in this, you can win a spot in our listener league. This is the first one we give away every year. It will go up through this weekend, through the draft. Awesome times, big giveaways, great products. And then because of the draft, our next release for the Dynasty Pass. All of our updated rookie rankings. All of our, I mean we get, we get so much information this week. This is like the beginning to me, the beginning of fantasy football season is right when the draft ends.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's super exciting. I mean we do our keeper lottery, like our league of records starts to take, take form after the draft. And those of you that are newer to the show, maybe you don't have experience with the ultimate draft Kit. That's where all of our tier based rankings are. All of our premium stat projections where we go through and we are, you know, we just did our early rankings, but this is going to be our player by player, actual stat projections for everybody. 100 plus video player profiles, custom cheat sheets. You can track your draft live on the app. The video profiles are always a hit. We've got the value scout tool in there now. All of our sleepers, breakouts, busts and values which evolve like it's a living, breathing tool to help you win on draft day and you know, risk and upside meters, just a lot of stuff you can learn about.

[Mike Wright]

It's what we use.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Ultimate Draft Kit.com for that. And it gets better every single year. Be a part of the Ultimate Draft week giveaway. Our quick question of the day was titled I think by Brooksie Draft Dreams. That sounds like a movie too. Like the next Costner flick For draft day. Draft Dreams name a rookie in a landing spot that you'd love to see happen for any reason.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you, both of you guys are.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know we both went a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

You want me to go first?

[Jason Moore]

Negative. I love your. I wanted to do yours, but yours is impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, there's rumors right now that the Cardinals and Chiefs are in discussions around the third pick in the draft. Now, yes, a reasonable person would be imagining the Chiefs come up and take an impact defensive player like Arvell Reese or David Bailey. But no, in my draft dream scenario.

[Mike Wright]

This is weird. I mean, this is just a personal attack. This is a.

[Jason Moore]

This is a draft fever dream.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a personal attack.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it is.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a personal.

[Mike Wright]

You're like, man, things really went way too well for Kenneth Walker. So how could we destroy it?

[Andy Holloway]

If it's a personal attack, so be it. Because you had a year of dominance, you won two leagues. It's Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs, everybody.

[Mike Wright]

Impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

If Jeremiah Love goes to the Chiefs, the people, best player available, they do not like. Ken Walker back where he belongs is kind of the two in an office.

[Jason Moore]

So you. You would. So this is.

[Mike Wright]

This would make you happy?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Look how happy he is.

[Andy Holloway]

It would make me. It's just for little moments and it would be just the moment when the pick happens and I get to turn away from the TV and look at Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Just for the moment. Because it would bring so much. It would bring the fun of watching Jeremiah Love on the Chiefs. It would bring weeks and weeks of Mike going, what are they doing? Which we got to do with Michael Pinnock's. That was fun.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it seems. No way. No way he made it.

[Andy Holloway]

Some people want to watch the world burn right there.

[Jason Moore]

But yeah, all right. Mine's a hater. Mine's a hater dream. Yeah. That being a dumb decision.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And yes, I stand by it on the Prince. But if Penix had been good, it was a great decision. Right.

[Jason Moore]

But he's not.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'm just saying, like, just be. Just be clear. You were. We were wrong. We were right for the wrong reason. The reason we were right.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think so.

[Mike Wright]

Have you seen the. There's a clip.

[Andy Holloway]

They were absolutely right to take another quarterback because Cousins was not going to be it.

[Mike Wright]

There's a guy. There's a baking show or like a guy doing a segment and a lady says something and the guest is very funny. He's like, if my grandma had tires, she'd be a bicycle.

[Andy Holloway]

I know the clip you're talking about.

[Mike Wright]

No, we won, they lost.

[Andy Holloway]

For whatever reason, we're taking Jackson Dart, though. Wasn't that the right pick at nine?

[Jason Moore]

Well, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. That's true.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Mike, you. You kick us off. Give us something fun to root For. Because I would love this.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike was not entertained by mine. He didn't like mine at all.

[Jason Moore]

It was a personal attack.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's a personal attack of an impossible action and situation.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Now I want it even more.

[Mike Wright]

He will go. He's going three or four.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he is. To the Cardinals.

[Mike Wright]

He's going three or four or somebody

[Jason Moore]

that trades for three, four, five, seven. You'd have to get through to get to. The Chiefs aren't coming up for Love.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're trading up.

[Mike Wright]

It's mine's Adam Randall to Washington. I don't think Jeremiah Love makes it to Washington at 7 at that point with their pick situation. It's like you have players in your running back room. So maybe we use a third, I don't know, probably a fourth, probably a. Probably a day three pick. But Adam Randall is such a. A interesting running back prospect. A converted wide receiver. Like the type of player that if they hit, they turn into. They jump from a third round rookie pick into a top 15 type of a fantasy running back. So it would be really exciting if he went there.

[Andy Holloway]

Have we ever for one moment considered Jakori Krosky Merritt would be the starting running back for this team at all this offseason?

[Mike Wright]

I have, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, a little bit. I think It'll be a 50, 50 timeshare there.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you remember when I made one of the worst trades I've ever made last year in Dynasty? I'm in the middle of a rebuild. Yeah, the Brock Purdy one.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Think about it all the time.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, I think I got Jacoby Brissette and Jakori Krosky Merritt in that trade and Brissette now holding out in Arizona for starter money. Talk about a good toilet bowl of a team.

[Mike Wright]

Good work, Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

But maybe talk they could both be starting. That's just funny to think about.

[Jason Moore]

They could be. Yeah. They did sign Rashad White. So what I'm looking forward to in this draft and I think this is realistic, I think this could very easily happen. I just put together like my official mock draft. Still have room to tweak it and he would have been available here. I did not give him here. But it would be Kenyan Sadiq falling to the jets at 16. I would love that so much. Because Sadiq is a Jets getting Sadiq. Yeah. The Sadiq is not my favorite prospect. He is obviously a superhuman athlete, best of the best, first percentile type of freak of nature. His production profile is not Superb. And when you watch film, this was not like watching Brock Bowers. You watch Brock Bowers and it's like, this guy is the offense. No one can ever take him down. He is on another level. He's just an. A super elite tight end for sure. That's not how I feel about Sadiq and I. And that.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

It feels bad to feel that. And so if I'm not super into Sadiq and I don't want the jets to ruin one of the wide receivers I really like, how great would it be at 16 if they're like, I've got. We've got our receiving answer. It's Sadiq. Great, because then I'm out.

[Mike Wright]

We're gonna be rolling out Mason Taylor.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And, well, I mean, look, he wants.

[Andy Holloway]

He already let Sadiq drop to 16 in this hypothetical because he doesn't like him. And now he's going to the jets to.

[Jason Moore]

In my real draft, he drops 19, but the jets bypassed him in my situation.

[Andy Holloway]

Is this a draft, Michael draft where you pretend you're the GM of every team?

[Jason Moore]

That. The latter. Where I pretend I'm the GM of every team. But Michael Meyer was a second round pick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that did not stop the Raiders from saying, hey, we need a true stud. And they. They took Brock Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

Is he a dog?

[Jason Moore]

Sadiq?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Sadiq's got a little dog in him.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I'm just saying, like. Yeah, because dogs and cats, they don't. They don't.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, you're saying if they were both on the Jets.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just asking.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that could be.

[Mike Wright]

They would just meet a double mesh route and they just run into each other and start fighting.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, they wouldn't fight because the cat would run away, I think. What was that? Meows. We don't need no cats.

[Jason Moore]

Be a dog.

[Andy Holloway]

I forgot about that.

[Jason Moore]

Those two would fight like cats and dogs.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's do some news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Adam Schefter reporting. The Eagles trading A.J. brown to the Patriots is now considered likely. I mean, we've been.

[Mike Wright]

The fact that we all have to wait until June 1st for this bull crap to go away.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, we know what's happening.

[Jason Moore]

Just.

[Mike Wright]

Just do the trade and say, hey, NFL, do this on June 21st. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

It will execute on June 1st.

[Mike Wright]

Get it over with.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, they do this with cuts. A post June 1 cut. Like, you can cut them beforehand and then designate them to be cut on June 1st. That's already like a thing. Just do that with trades yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's manipulate the salary which is why they can't trade him right now because they want. They want the cap to get split between the two years.

[Andy Holloway]

But he will be a Patriot. It will be sad for Romeo Dobbs. It will be great for Drake. May. The fact of the matter is the Eagles will be in play on Thursday. They will add a little bit of extra confirmation. They'll draft a wide receiver at some point in time. Maybe early.

[Jason Moore]

Oh man.

[Andy Holloway]

I.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry. Philadelphia. I hope they. AJ Brown. This like as in the Tennessee Titans. This is like. This is the make good. You realize that like Mike Vrabel was the coach when they traded him and there's the legendary video of when the trade going through and there's someone in that room who's not happy about trading A.J. brown.

[Jason Moore]

And that was Mike.

[Mike Wright]

And that was Mike Vrabel if he can get him back. And in Philadelphia with their first round pick is like, hey, we're taking.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Whoever it is, Mike, Kai Lemon or Jordan Tyson, it doesn't work out.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And then the next Traylon Burks.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. It would just. It's just the. This is what the world needs for balance.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, A.J. brown's a very, very good player and I'm going to tell you this. Jalen Hurts is not a better player without him.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

But he's not a better quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Devontae Smith stock would rise. It would definitely go 39% target share in games without A.J. brown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that won't. That won't happen.

[Jason Moore]

No, it won't stay that way.

[Mike Wright]

Cartoon chat.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that did sound pretty.

[Mike Wright]

What is that? Oh, that Fievel. Was that Dom DeLuise?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Philadelphia's. There'll be an interesting story. Nothing we say. I mean everything we say right now we got a little Jalen Hurts in the middle of the. In the middle of the table. You know, Philly fans, I feel like that franchise right now is hanging on. They've got a lot of money committed. Right. Their defense is going to be great. But I'm curious about the offense without A.J. brown. That'll be very, very interesting. I said it. Jacoby Brissette's not attending phase one of the off season. Program wants to be paid like a starter.

[Jason Moore]

It's great, great news.

[Mike Wright]

So funny because if you recall at least the way it was laid out on social media that the, you know, like everything was okay. They're going to get rid of Kyler. The Cardinals bring in Gardner Minshew. You're like, what they're going to have Jacoby and Gardner Minshew. And then there was the tweet. The Cardinals are moving forward. Like, Jacoby is the starter. He doesn't know about it yet, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they're bringing.

[Mike Wright]

This is why he didn't know about it, because they're trying to sneak it through so they didn't have to pay

[Andy Holloway]

Garden on him being your starter. You got to pay him like a starter.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Gardner Minshew was brought in not to compete, but to be the backup for Jacoby Brissette. But Jacoby Brissette is not necessarily aware of this and certainly, certainly not financially. But it's great because the pictures came out early. This is months ago of the Cardinals, like, locker room area, their new wall graphics. And like the primary, you walk into the players area and the biggest, most primary, you know, the entire wall is a picture of Jacoby Brissette.

[Mike Wright]

It's like, I'm not getting paid.

[Jason Moore]

Like that guy, he walks in and looks at that and goes, all right, I'll be right back. I got to go talk to my agent.

[Mike Wright]

That guy probably makes a lot, that guy.

[Jason Moore]

Probably $50 million for that picture up there.

[Andy Holloway]

Daniel, Jeremiah said Ty Simpson to Arizona. Feels inevitable when we'll find out on maybe late first round trade up.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

So much.

[Andy Holloway]

If it's inevitable, they should wait till the last round to get him. That's what I think.

[Jason Moore]

Grab them in the second.

[Mike Wright]

They've got no Jeremiah. Love Ty Simpson. Let's. Let's do it. Cardinals. That's really good work.

[Andy Holloway]

I'd rather be entertained.

[Mike Wright]

I would rather be a good football team. About four years.

[Andy Holloway]

We take that off the table as an option. Mike, where else do you want to go?

[Mike Wright]

Okay, if that's out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's, that's obviously.

[Mike Wright]

If that's out, fine.

[Andy Holloway]

If good is out, entertaining is Next up. The 49ers signed Trent Williams to a two year, $50 million extension. Oh, he's only made $218 million.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a Christian recap.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Jason, I forgot your.

[Mike Wright]

And Purdy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Trent Williams is.

[Mike Wright]

He's great.

[Jason Moore]

He is an all timer. And this is. This was great. I just thought. At first I forgot that you. I thought you were a Cardinals fan because we were talking.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, I have left them.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I remember now.

[Andy Holloway]

We talked about the trade already. Brandon Aubrey, an agreement with the Cowboys. Highest paid kicker in NFL history. Four year extension, 7 million a year, 20 million guaranteed.

[Jason Moore]

Which 7 million a year most ever for a kicker. 20 guaranteed. Most ever For a kicker, those are not big numbers. No, that's like. And it's so worth it. Brandon Aubrey changes your offense.

[Mike Wright]

Trent Williams 2. Trent old man. Trent Williams 2 year, $50 million extension, 218 made.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Brandon Aubrey, best kicker in football, 20 million guaranteed.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, it's tough when the positions get bracketed into this is the amount of money that this position makes. Even though someone like Brandon Aubrey is just so incredibly valuable, when you know that your kicker is going to make a 50 plus yard kick, he just, he will. You're like, we're in the 60s. He probably is going to make this kick.

[Andy Holloway]

When Justin Tucker was right at the peak of his career, he was so incredibly valuable for that team on a regular basis. It's a superpower.

[Mike Wright]

So congratulations, Aubrey.

[Andy Holloway]

Alec Pierce was absent from otas. Underwent ankle surgery. Looking at a three month recovery. This is after he signed the big deal. He was being impacted by pain in that ankle, I guess during last season.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Then proved he was super tough. And everybody else would have gotten surgery but him. But now he's getting the surgery.

[Mike Wright]

Mac Jones would not have gotten the surgery.

[Jason Moore]

He couldn't afford it until he signed that contract. Now he's like, dude, you know what? I get first thing, I'm getting surgery.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we will take a break. We've got some ADP price checks. Should be pretty fun.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, we are going to walk through some names. The only ADP average drive average draft position that we have right now is going to be the underdog 12 team best ball drafts. But people are doing those every single day for money and so that is the best gauge we have until people start mock drafting in redraft leagues. So it's just a bit of bring up some names, talk about where we think they might be going where and then I think we follow up and talk about where we think they might go on redraft and whether they look like values or not. So the first player to talk about is Jaden Daniels of the Washington Commanders who just got a little uniform refresh. Teams are now doing the barely changing.

[Mike Wright]

Seriously, what is this the jersey thing

[Andy Holloway]

so that we can get you to buy slightly new jerseys.

[Jason Moore]

But do you do people really?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Buy a new like oh man, there's a little extra yellow there. I got to have it.

[Mike Wright]

The jersey people do. I mean we do like I buy the I don't like football jersey. I buy the New Sons jersey every

[Andy Holloway]

year yeah, and if you don't, you're dumb.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm dumb.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, imagine wearing an old jersey.

[Jason Moore]

Now, that's. What a loser. That's my secret. When I go to, like a Sun's game, I be a loser. And you don't have to worry about it. No, you get the throwback. So, like, from now on, Cardinals should always be Larry Fitzgerald or Kurt Warner. They can't.

[Andy Holloway]

No, throwbacks are great. Throwbacks are great. The slightly older version. Like, if anybody's wearing a Atlanta Falcons jersey this year of last year's jersey, that's not a throwback. That's lame.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we don't make a throwback.

[Jason Moore]

I'm starting to understand throwback would be

[Andy Holloway]

like one of them Deion Sanders, you know, red jerseys.

[Mike Wright]

It has to be Doug Glanville. Like, it can't be sort of old. That has to be old.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, I'm taking that.

[Andy Holloway]

Write this down.

[Jason Moore]

I grabbed my pen.

[Andy Holloway]

Jaden Daniels, I look at last year as a deleted year for Washington in general. Right? I mean, it was. Yes, he played seven games, but did he. You know, it just didn't feel like he ever got it going.

[Mike Wright]

Well, because in the seven games you were like, Mr. Daniels, what the heck? I spent a very high pick on you.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I mean, and you look at these matchups. Like, he started the year against the Giants in Green Bay, got hurt for a couple games, came back against the Chargers on the road, had a nice game against Chicago, a let down against Dallas, missed another game, came back against Seattle, missed the rest of the. I mean, almost the rest of the season.

[Mike Wright]

Him and Terry. Yeah, this were like two chips passing in the night. Passing in the night.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a lost season.

[Jason Moore]

Weeks four through seven, Terry McClory. Terry McLaurin didn't play. Week nine, Terry McLaurin didn't play. So this is. You really only had two games where you saw Jaden Daniels and Tara McLaurin on the field. It was.

[Mike Wright]

And Terry got training camped, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he came. Came out slow.

[Mike Wright]

Looked like a guy who needed training.

[Jason Moore]

Like, he should have practiced a little bit longer. So I agree with you. You throw out last year completely. Speaking of last year, Jaden Daniels was the third quarterback being drafted last year. He was. The race to get Jaden Daniels was happening in all your drafts. So this year, after a completely lost year where when he was playing, he wasn't putting up big fantasy numbers, however, he was rushing just the same. His scramble rate was higher. His total rushing attempts per game was higher.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, there's and then other guys kind of. There's excitement around players like Drake May. You know, Joe Burrow's healthy. I think a year removed from the hype. I think it's going to be lower. Let's. Let's look in. Let's guess the. What quarterback. Off the board. He is.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And then the round. Let's guess it that way. I think Jaden Daniels is probably the quarterback. I'm thinking eight or nine.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. Oh, yeah. I think it's higher than that.

[Mike Wright]

I was going.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going eight.

[Mike Wright]

I'm in four or five.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be in the. I'll be in my water.

[Andy Holloway]

Six.

[Jason Moore]

Seven.

[Andy Holloway]

Six, seven.

[Mike Wright]

I don't have my.

[Jason Moore]

It doesn't matter.

[Mike Wright]

Jeremy, where's the water bottle?

[Jason Moore]

It's right by your left foot.

[Andy Holloway]

When you have a chance to spray. Spray Jason with water for being stupid, you got to do it.

[Mike Wright]

You should leave that on the table fast enough.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to say quarterback. 8. Mike, you're saying quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

I'll go.

[Andy Holloway]

Just pick a. Pick a number. That's the whole guessing point.

[Mike Wright]

Five.

[Jason Moore]

I'll go five and I'll go six and five.

[Andy Holloway]

Six and eight. And then round wise, I mean, that's. That probably ends up being.

[Mike Wright]

Can't put it by you.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to what, maybe the fifth round for us?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Six round. For me, maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Somewhere around there.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's go. Do we have this on the board?

[Mike Wright]

Reveal yourself. Oh, six. Oh, two.

[Andy Holloway]

So what quarterback is that? That is the quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. We're going to have to look that up.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the quarterback. Three.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

In the sixth.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

People are on underdog. Wow.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Mike Wright]

Right now. He is. So go.

[Andy Holloway]

So this basketball. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It's Josh, Allen, Lamar, and there's Jaden. To be fair, Jaden and Joe Burrow are very close to each other.

[Andy Holloway]

Could you see yourself taking Jaden over Joe Burrow?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I can see it. I will let the NFL draft go because at 7, I'm not 100% convinced that Washington will take a wide out. They really do need one. But if they take someone like Tate at pick number seven, that will be very, very exciting. The fact that it's not just Terry McLaurin versus the world. So I can see it.

[Andy Holloway]

I can see it. Blows my mind that he is vaulted right back up there after a year off. And because people are like.

[Mike Wright]

You're saying. They're like, I'm deleting it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's. It's got to be the rushing, the rushing consistency and the fact that that's a superpower in fantasy and you just want to get the next one of those. But that's a little bit surprising to me. We were all wrong. I mean in terms of the quarterback number off the board round wise we were about right. But yeah, they need to add a weapon that gives you confidence, not just Chiga conquo you know, to the offense. Debo is going to be. I mean Debo's gone. Right. So it's funny these names like they're going to start popping up. Debo, Samuel, Keenan Allen, some of these other names that don't have teams are going to pop up on some franchise. Keenan did not mean good things for lad McConkey last year.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So Jaden Daniels, QB3, 602 in the draft. Is there a fit wide receiver wise, you know, the Denzel Boston Omar Coopers that you think works best alongside?

[Mike Wright]

They have to drop to the third though. They do not have a second rounder right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, basically at seven. They're either going to take one of these top three guys and that's really the difference maker for Jaden Daniels. He needs one of that level of player. That's what the commanders need in general, you know. However, if a great defensive guy slips to them, they could very well like you know, I had Sonny Stiles dropping to them in my mock and so they didn't take a wide receiver in the first and if they don't, like Mike said, they don't have a lot of picks, a lot of capital to really move the needle. Personally, I'm not sure that like next year when, when I'm looking at quarterbacks I'm targeting. Depending on where Drake May is going, depending on where Jalen Hurts is going, people aren't going to be hot and bothered with Jalen Hertz anymore. Burrow, there's. There's a handful of names if he's really the quarterback. Three off the board. I went into this episode thinking he was going to be quite a value. Seems like he is not.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was kind of guessing the same. Let's jump into another name. Travion Henderson of the New England Patriots. First eight weeks of the season, you didn't get to see much of him. Week 9 through the end of the year, you saw a lot of him. He was the RB9 in that stretch. 16.7 fantasy points per game, 5.3 yards per touch. I would imagine in the majority of those games Mike still felt like he was being underutilized in all of them.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, accurately so.

[Andy Holloway]

But you know, there's not. Ramon Dre is not going anywhere.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Drake May will continue to take a step forward. You add A.J. brown to the offense. You add Romeo Dobbs to the offense. I think the passing game will get a lot of attention in the off season. So where do you think players are going to put Trevo? I would. I'll say I think he's probably running back 19.

[Mike Wright]

I think that's a very good guess.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was going to say he's in the 20s, which is surprising with his breakout as a rookie. As not only just a rookie, but one that people were all excited about. You know you're my guy, right? He was a my guy last year. Had that breakout look like he was going to be the next Jameer Gibbs superstar. To have him not in the top 20 at running back, but this is. I got to remember this.

[Andy Holloway]

And we haven't revealed it.

[Jason Moore]

No, I know, I know, I know. I'm thinking of normal rankings, but I'm not considering, you know, an underdog. A lot of times you're, you're swinging for the fences, trying to hit the home run. Trevo is a home run. So, yeah, I'll just say running back 20.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm at 19. You're at 20. Mike, where do you want to go?

[Mike Wright]

I'll go running back. Oh, he finishes running back 18. I bet he's drafted around there.

[Andy Holloway]

19, 20.

[Mike Wright]

I'm worried about Ramondre.

[Andy Holloway]

You should worry that he's good.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, he's worried about the utilization. I'm worried that he's going to Charbonne him, that teams are just like, well, go, go on Ramondre, running back 20.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to say that would be the fifth round.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going late. Fourth.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'll go with the fourth. Fourth round. Go ahead and show me the ADP. Oh, yeah. Four hundred and eleven. That is the RB20.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he is playing on the dot.

[Andy Holloway]

RB20 on the dot. In the back of the 11th round.

[Mike Wright]

You win this time.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. It's weird because, like the prototype of Trayvon Henderson is to say he's a home run. Like there's this home run possibility. I don't see it in this offense. Like, even if Ramon Dre is hurt, I think they'll utilize other guys. I don't think they look at Trayvon Henderson as a, like, I don't look at him like Jameer Gibbs from a three down perspective. I don't think he has that. I don't think he's.

[Mike Wright]

I think he does. It's, it's. It's like the, the AJ Brown. I think it is happening. So then you're like, okay, more touchdowns. But do they give goal line work to, to Henderson or do they go back to Ramondre? It was the fact that he broke. Talking about Henderson, the way he broke out in the middle of the season and towards the end it was like. It was a true breakout. It was awesome. He was changing the game. And then they're like, yeah, but we still got Ramondre. We like him. And so I don't know if heading into the sophomore year if that will get totally flipped. If it gets flipped then, then he's a steal at running back 20, which. That's the decision you got to make when you're building your teams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's going to be a really interesting player this year because we know they're going to win a lot of football games and you want young talent on really good football teams and running backs get injured.

[Jason Moore]

I mean this is one of those situations where when you are getting a really talented back in a timeshare, there is always the opportunity of an injury to the other party. You know, just like what happened in his rookie year when Ramon Dre got injured. He was forced to be the guy. And we know, here's what we know. I know you say you don't see him as a three down bell cow. That is probably correct. When, when we look at how are they going to utilize him, they're not going to force that. They have no reason to. But I do believe he can do it and will excel at it when given that opportunity. So an injury can always make that happen. That's the type of player I would want at running back.

[Andy Holloway]

I think a couple interesting things about him. For him to be a top 10 guy, we were looking at those target totals. Those would have to come up, I think. I mean that nine game stretch where he was really good, he only had. He was only on 45 target pace during those nine games. He's averaging about 16 opportunities a game. I don't know if he's a guy that would stay as efficient with as much work but he, he's explosive. He can, he can break a long touchdown, he can catch the football. They just didn't do it as much. In fact, Ramondre caught the ball a lot. So he's an interesting name for this upcoming year. Jalen Warren,

[Jason Moore]

the ever disrespected.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I just. My face says I know it's like,

[Jason Moore]

it's how I feel too. This is.

[Andy Holloway]

He feels like Tony Pollard.

[Jason Moore]

He was the running back 16. He was the running back 16 while sharing time with Kenneth Gainwell who led the team in receptions and is no longer there. And I'm very confident he's after Hindo. No one's drafting him ahead of Travion Henderson.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I think. I think Jaylen Warren, you know, we've had 20 years with Mike Tomlin, right, where we've got to like see that grimace on his face and know what he's doing at running back and it's a little.

[Mike Wright]

We won't see it anymore.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know. I'm saying it makes it different. It makes it more a variable. Like Mike McCarthy. Does he use. Do we get another one of his little Ezekiel Elliott committee years?

[Mike Wright]

Well, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

Warren's the best player.

[Mike Wright]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

On their running back room. In their running back room, right?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they got Rico.

[Mike Wright]

They got Rico. It's the.

[Andy Holloway]

They got Caleb.

[Mike Wright]

He's not factoring into the equation. It's Jale Warren versus Rico. It's. It's the reunion of Mike McCarthy and Rico. Which Rico dowdles breakout year. If you are newer or you don't remember, it was the second half of the year with the Dallas Cowboys with Mike McCarthy, but then they dumped him. I know that's saying it's all good

[Andy Holloway]

to come back to McCarthy or bad.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's good for Rico.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Jaylen Warren, running back 25.

[Jason Moore]

I'll go after that, man. I'm going to say 27.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

When he said after, did you say

[Jason Moore]

I almost went 26.

[Andy Holloway]

When he said after that, I thought, whoa, whoa. I thought he was like. I thought he meant it like in a significant way.

[Mike Wright]

Not like, whoa, I'll go one cent.

[Jason Moore]

It's the Price is Right rules, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I just sounded more like you were going to say 30 or something.

[Jason Moore]

Take 26, man.

[Mike Wright]

I wonder if he are going right near each other's.

[Andy Holloway]

I bet they are.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to go running back 29.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So you're talking like a seventh, eighth round pick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Right now he is going as.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, the running back 29.

[Andy Holloway]

Running back 29. That's where Jason would have picked if he had more courage. 7, 25.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going way after that.

[Jason Moore]

I was two spots away from being.

[Mike Wright]

You said he's 40 years old.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks way older than that. 41. Jay Warren at RB 29 does that.

[Mike Wright]

Enrico's at 31.

[Andy Holloway]

Enrico's at 31. If I had to choose between the two, I feel like I'd want to

[Mike Wright]

go Rico, Eileen, Rico as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I feel like, like Warren is kind of.

[Jason Moore]

I will stick with Jalen.

[Andy Holloway]

Warren usurpable.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, but so is Rico. Every team that he's been on, no matter how well he plays, he's never. Whatever is happening in the locker room, we've seen it. It's kind of like when you talk about Kenneth Walker, you're like, I'm not sure how it's going to fail, but it just always does some way. Whether it's you're healthy and you get Charbonne, whether it's you're great, but you can't stay healthy. Just we've had year after year after year after year where we see flashes, just doesn't work out. That's Rico.

[Andy Holloway]

Always a bridesmaid.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, it's like no matter. He's had these unbelievable stretches where you're like, this is a top tier running back. He had a thousand yards. And yet teams just are like, he does not matter to us at all.

[Mike Wright]

What 2 year 12 and a half million dollars for Rico.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Are you asking.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying that that's what it was. But this. So this will be a good example. So we. We talk about ambiguous backfields as a. For a strategy because they. You don't know what to do here. Like Jaylen Warren, Rico, do I really want anyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers and the answer is based off of their cost? Yes, you 100% do. You will track this. You know, stick with the show. We'll track this over training camp where the drumbeat.

[Andy Holloway]

Who.

[Mike Wright]

Who's getting the buzz of like they're the more likely.

[Andy Holloway]

Neither will move up enough in the draft to make them too expensive.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And you brought up in the. Just the tips that we did last off season, eight and a half teams on average per year have lacked a top 24 drafted running back in fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

Totally makes sense. Those numbers make sense.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Eight to nine teams have nobody that's being drafted in the top 24 at the position. Yeah, it makes sense from a math perspective. I'm just saying, like from an opportunity perspective. You know, I think losing Tomlin gives me a little bit less confidence that they will be, you know, consistent the way they've always been. But Mike McCarthy's kind of the other example of that type of guy where like McCarthy shows up and people play pretty hard.

[Mike Wright]

The follow up to that is five players from those teams on average per year, jump into the top 24 and

[Jason Moore]

the follow up of that.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, there's not. This is my stat.

[Jason Moore]

No, this was your stat was that you tried to pick the ones on the best offense. That's how we've had a lot of success the last couple years. Like Javante last year, last year it was disgusting.

[Mike Wright]

But we, it was disgusting.

[Jason Moore]

It was like, okay, but you, you know, the Cowboys are probably going to have a good offense. So you take maybe, maybe someone wanted, whoever the rookie was blue last year or you choose Javante but you want to take one of those ambiguous backfields from a good offense. The question now for Jalen Warren, for Rico Dowdle is, I mean first of all, who's the quarterback is right now? Aaron Rodgers is non Will Howard right now reporting that he's now I love that it was reported before. There's like they expect to know by the draft and now it's just being reported like, oh, they're not going to know by the draft. It's like, yeah, because we're a week from the draft. You don't know.

[Mike Wright]

It's so wild.

[Jason Moore]

I don't. Even if Aaron Rodgers comes back, I would not put this as a, like, as a really good offense, as a top half offense. So tbd.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll take a break and then we'll talk about Jaylen Warren of the wide receiver position.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Christopher Godwin, the Goblin. Where are we with this guy at this point in time? He's, you know, most of the year was deleted. He missed a lot of time with an ankle and a fibula injury that it didn't seem like he'd recover from and he did. And he had one or two games that were kind of all right. And it was in a year where Mike Evans was banged up and a BUCA took off and you got Jalen McMillan back and Tess Johnson had games and Kate Otten was relevant at times. Like there are a lot of pass catching options. He is not a spring chicken anymore. And yet Chris Godwin has value for fantasy, doesn't he?

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he should, but he's, he's 30 years old and he missed so much of last year coming off of that injury.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but he played at the end of it.

[Jason Moore]

He did play at the end. So, you know, you know, he also

[Andy Holloway]

missed almost all of the previous year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but the, you know, that injury that took him out for, you know, the second half of last year and the first half of this year, right before that injury, he was averaging over 16 fantasy points a game. Now Mike Evans is gone. The opportunity for him to come in and maybe even be the one still exists on this team.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, he feels like, he feels like an 86 reception for 870 yard guy this year to me like I at

[Jason Moore]

age 30, I tend to agree with you. I don't want him.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to put my ADP guess at wide receiver 36.

[Jason Moore]

I'll go wide receiver 41. And I'm going to say that's the ninth round.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to the middle.

[Andy Holloway]

Surprise.

[Mike Wright]

I was trying to remember what you said. You said 34 all 38.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. He is the wide receiver 43.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

In the eighth of the eighth round. I feel like this is not a ceiling draft selection. So this is where it gets tough. You this is where you'll be picking Chris Godwin or a rookie that you don't know how they might emerge. Like I don't know if I'm going to draft him.

[Mike Wright]

He's to me Godwin still feels like depending on how many fantasy football leagues I'm in, let's say I'm in five leagues. I'm going to make sure I have Godwin out on at least one or two of those teams of like a Buka is going to be the hotness and it chasing youth, especially youth like that. A young NFL player who already had a breakout, which I do. We could. Did Abu could break out.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so you follow him.

[Andy Holloway]

He broke right back in, let me in. He broke into the jail cell and pulled the door closed.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, so Ibuka is going as a wide receiver 17. That makes complete sense for the situation that they are in. But I was like I said, if I have multiple, multiple teams there, I think there is a chance that Godwin is easy. Easily the best wide receiver for fans.

[Jason Moore]

It's what I said a minute ago. He still has the opportunity with Evans out of the way to be the wide receiver one for Baker Mayfield for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[Mike Wright]

If a buka like Baker couldn't find over the second half, Baker just couldn't connect.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

With Abuka. Baker can connect with Chris Godwin.

[Andy Holloway]

They know switch New England, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. That's what it feels like for Godwin. I think that's a good comp. A quality wide receiver who's going to be in the right spot and do the right thing for a veteran quarterback in Baker. And that's not always great for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm shaking my head. Move into this next name because you know on our website we have, you know we have the game log for these players and you know, you see the games that are top 24 finishes, top 12 finishes, they're green. Anything in that middle tier wide receiver 3 range, they're yellow. And then the Red games are these bust games for our consistency charts. Just looking at this, red means stop.

[Mike Wright]

We want you to stop doing that.

[Andy Holloway]

Stop. Stop it. Brian Thomas Jr. For Jacksonville. This is a game log that is horrific and terrifying for where he was drafted and what you saw from him.

[Jason Moore]

There's a lot more green on Parker Washington's game log.

[Mike Wright]

The Jags are hilarious. I don't know if you, if you tuned into last week's Footcast, we were talking about Travis Hunter. You know, the reports come out he's going to be a full time db, part time wide receiver. And right now in Dynasty people are trying to flip Travis Hunter and Andy got an offer. I got an offer for Travis Hunter. I mad did you get an offer?

[Jason Moore]

I did not.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, you weren't enough, I guess but these were like, it's like how, how do you not want Travis Hunter the number two overall pick? And at the end of everything, Andy didn't trade for him. I didn't trade, no.

[Andy Holloway]

And I got more offers over the weekend and we just didn't quite get.

[Mike Wright]

And then you got Brian Thomas Jr. Like do I want Brian Thomas? But the Jags are going to be a top tier offense.

[Andy Holloway]

They're going to be really good.

[Mike Wright]

They're going to be fantastic. And we're looking at the wide receivers like ooh, I don't. Here's what's so I don't know who I want.

[Andy Holloway]

What's so weird about weird? Like you said certifiably that a Buka broke out, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Which then of course Brian Thomas Jr.

[Mike Wright]

Broke out.

[Jason Moore]

Oh for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

He had a.

[Jason Moore]

Didn't he finish as the wide receiver

[Andy Holloway]

7 his rookie year, his final six games of the season. And I know it was Mac Jones and some Trevor Lawrence, but to be

[Mike Wright]

clear, are you talking about the rookie?

[Andy Holloway]

What we were drafting on. Here's what we were drafting on a pace of 127 for 17, 1414 touchdowns. So 200 targets, 127 receptions, 1700 yards, 14 touchdowns. That was his final six weeks. And then we're like now figure out where to draft him in the draft. And he went super high.

[Jason Moore]

He was in the conversation with Malik neighbors as far as like after, after that rookie year was like he is. Was he just as good as his college teammate? And it's almost. You can't even think like that anymore after this bust of a sophomore season. You can't remember how good Brian Thomas Jr. Was as a rookie. But he did that. He did that in the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

He did it without Jacoby Myers Or Travis Hunter or Parker Washington surrounding him with a different quarterback. And I. It's really hard to look at Brian Thomas and be like, I think he's just going to settle into mediocrity as for his career. But that's how it feels right now. I don't feel like there's margin for anything remarkably close to those numbers in this offense when you have those other names they just gave a huge contract to Jacoby Myers. Parker Washington has emerged. I think Travis Hunter plays offense to me. Brian Thomas Jr. Again, this is not a discussion about what he's going to do. This is where he's being drafted. And I think it's. I think he's being drafted as the wide receiver in the 20s. 20. No, maybe not. Golly. Yeah. 26. I'll go 26. I'm gonna go 26.

[Mike Wright]

What do you mean?

[Andy Holloway]

Dang it.

[Jason Moore]

That was the number of my. Yeah, that was the number of my money. I'm with you. I think he's wide receiver 26.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You've still got a lot of hope, a lot of youth, a lot of extreme athleticism. And we've talked about this in the past as well. It is often a good bet when you can get a discount and you're looking at the guys that are going, falling in drafts. There's always a reason, right? Oh, the quarterback play, the talent, the age, the whatever. And then you've got to write the path forward. But the paths, when we look back at the players who dropped and then went outstanding, just rebounded and won fantasy leagues, a lot of times they have done it before. Chris Godwin was one of these people once before in his career. Cooper cup was one of those players where it was like, we have seen them be great before they got injured or they struggled or whatever and they were done with them. And then Cooper cup was the number one wide receiver in all of fantasy. So I think Brian Thomas Jr. Can get back. And so 26 for me and Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you got, Mike?

[Mike Wright]

I'll go 24.

[Andy Holloway]

The answer is the wide receiver. 31.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

He is still being drafted. Parker Washington, who's wide receiver 35. Jacoby Myers, who's wide receiver 41. I'm assuming Travis Hunter is nowhere to be found. Oh, wide receiver 64. So that is.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, if I take a shot, he shot one of those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Package of the group.

[Jason Moore]

I definitely take the shot on Brian Thomas Jr. How can you have an

[Andy Holloway]

offense that good and no one being drafted in the top 30?

[Mike Wright]

Wide receiver there is gold in the heels, boy.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that. I mean that's like somewhere. That's like my guy calling your name, Jay. Brian Thomas.

[Jason Moore]

Nice Try it for me.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's more you.

[Jason Moore]

I know what you're saying. We're talking about these ambiguous. It works both in the wide receiver core and in the running back room. You want a good offense and you don't know where it's going to come from. This is a wide receiver group that you're like, well, there's too many mouths to feed here. I'm not sure who could break out. So we're going to draft none of them. Except if you say one of these guys, Brian Thomas Jr. Parker Washington, Jacoby Myers was going to be a top 15 wide receiver in fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

BTJ.

[Jason Moore]

Of course it's going to be Brian

[Mike Wright]

Thomas Jr. What if I told you that after the bye week. So we're talking weeks nine through 18. This is for a football season. That's a decent sample. There's no Travis Sunser because he got. He was already hurt. The target share, Jacoby 21% Parker Washington 21% Brenton Strange, 16% Brian Thomas Jr. I don't know if you're doing the math. We're running out of targets.

[Jason Moore]

We're running out of percents. We're running out of time.

[Mike Wright]

15.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And he moved. I mean he was not running. It was a different offense, different head coach, different coordinator.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I was saying than the year before to have they have the bye week and they go we're. And because weeks one through seven, Brian Thomas was the dominant.

[Jason Moore]

Here's why I think this, this happened mid season. I don't blame them at all for making this decision.

[Mike Wright]

Stinky.

[Jason Moore]

Because the first seven weeks up to the bye week, he was on target for 133 targets. Great. He was like you said the market share was great. He was everything we wanted in fantasy. Except he. He caught less than half of those balls. He was 49% catch rate. It was ruining drives.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, now let me also add.

[Jason Moore]

And so they go into the bye week and they're like, we got to fix this.

[Mike Wright]

Right? And then they're like, hey, this is the new plan moving forward. And then they go 8 and 1.

[Jason Moore]

So now they go to the off season and they get to do anything they want. I am.

[Andy Holloway]

Because there is a non zero chance that he's traded on Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

Ooh, that's.

[Mike Wright]

I think he stays on the team.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean. Oh. Again, I'm not saying the odds are that that happens. I'm just saying there's been enough smoke for your game.

[Mike Wright]

You can't be the insider. Those, like, don't be shocked if this happens.

[Andy Holloway]

You're like, I'm not an insider.

[Mike Wright]

Is it going to happen? No, but don't be shocked. But.

[Jason Moore]

And remember I said.

[Mike Wright]

Remember I told you not to be shocked.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that there's a. There's room for this team. You just made the case why they can succeed without him. That's what you just did.

[Mike Wright]

It's like it.

[Andy Holloway]

Because they. They can use Travis Hunter, who they didn't have.

[Mike Wright]

That will be a very wild mystery to solve this off season.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, real quick here. Let's do one more name. Just guess the ADP of where Colston Loveland is going right now.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Colston Loveland. I'll tell you that much. Am I right? Jay

[Jason Moore]

maybe

[Andy Holloway]

pointed it at Jay, huh?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Mr. Love Land himself. I'm going to say he's the tight end. Three.

[Mike Wright]

Three, three. Yeah. As much as we all love Colston Loveland, you can't draft him over McBride or Bower.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but I think he's the next man up.

[Mike Wright]

And let's put him.

[Jason Moore]

Depending on Daniel Jones. I still think I might go Tyler Warren over him, but, yeah, I'd probably draft him.

[Mike Wright]

Stop this nonsense.

[Jason Moore]

It's not nonsense, man. He was. He was great. They were both great. They could both be great.

[Mike Wright]

No, they can't. There could be only one. What round Colson 11 is going? I'll say third round.

[Jason Moore]

I think it'll be. I think it'll be lower. I still think tight end three, but. Yeah, late, late fourth.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, where are we with Colson Lovin right now? He is the tight end three going in the late fourth.

[Jason Moore]

Too low.

[Mike Wright]

I told you.

[Jason Moore]

Fourth round, but still the tight end three. I think that's appropriate. I think that's. If you really look at inappropriate.

[Andy Holloway]

That's like Mr. Lakeland. Yeah, that's not good enough.

[Mike Wright]

Get on board, people.

[Jason Moore]

At the fourth round, there's a dog

[Mike Wright]

in the back of the fourth waiting for you.

[Jason Moore]

With a lot of. With a lot of good stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm with you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Let's grind. I'll be going elsewhere. I'll be grabbing a running back or a wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

It's funny because I have. For those of you that follow along with our league of record and what we do in that league, we have a keeper lottery. You have one franchise player and then you have three players that go into a keeper lottery. They can't match the position group of the franchise player. And then on draft, like, when the draft's over, we're going to find out what players going back. My three keepers are Omari and Hampton.

[Mike Wright]

This is your lottery.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, my lottery. Amari and Hampton, Kenneth Walker and Colson Loveland. And so by all measures, I want to lose Loveland in that draft.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Jason Moore]

Except what about the measure of your heart?

[Andy Holloway]

The measure of my heart wants that dog on my team. I want that dog.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the good news is you just draft him, though. You won't be too disappointed then.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think that puts me in a better spot if I'm, you know, having to give back a running back. But, oh, gosh, I got to lock in my keepers. Do you have any?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's good.

[Mike Wright]

You got good.

[Jason Moore]

That's good.

[Andy Holloway]

You got good ones.

[Jason Moore]

I got some good. Why don't you share? You got some good. I got some good.

[Andy Holloway]

Good. By the way, I think my. My franchise is going to be Malik Neighbors. I think.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Dance. Dance with the.

[Andy Holloway]

But if I get shaky, you know, shaky legs by the end of this draft, maybe I mix it up. Maybe I.

[Mike Wright]

You don't have very long.

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Mike Wright]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, here. Saturday, here's what shaky legs would be. They draft a. They draft Jordan Tyson.

[Mike Wright]

They will draft one of the three. I know, and I think it's. I think it's Tyson.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, maybe Hampton becomes unfranchised. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe this is. This is why the draft. This is why we do this after the draft is because we. We don't want to force somebody to make those picks.

[Mike Wright]

Give Tyler Schuck and Jackson Dart. One of them. One of them.

[Jason Moore]

I think I've got a. I think I've got to risk Jonathan Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, break it down. What do you think? What do you think your setup's going

[Jason Moore]

to be my team right now.

[Andy Holloway]

You got a couple minutes?

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so this is work. Work out some personal problems. My two best players are CD Lamb and Jonathan Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, right.

[Andy Holloway]

So only one of those could be a franchise.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Then my other players, I've got Josh Jacobs, Travis Etn.

[Andy Holloway]

What's that?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Travis Hn. Hn Jr. Travis Hn Jr. And I guess David Montgomery, or as I call it, AKA Run Belaya. Rumbalaya.

[Andy Holloway]

Does that make you want to keep him more?

[Jason Moore]

It does make you want to keep him more. I would much rather have rumbalaya.

[Mike Wright]

At lunch the other day, and I was like, this is fantastic.

[Andy Holloway]

Rumbalaya. Is better than learning his name.

[Jason Moore]

And then. And then I've got

[Mike Wright]

so dumb.

[Jason Moore]

I've got Chris Olave and Roma Dunes A. So it feels like my strength is at the running back.

[Andy Holloway]

You got to try to get a run. I mean, a pair of running backs, you're not going to be that unhappy in any.

[Jason Moore]

I'll be pretty unhappy if I lose Jonathan Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Mike's got CMC.

[Mike Wright]

I will. My three. For those that have Bijan McCaffrey and Chase Brown are my three lottos.

[Jason Moore]

So one of those is. I like. The other.

[Mike Wright]

The draft could be.

[Andy Holloway]

What are your three?

[Mike Wright]

Bijan, Christian McCaffrey, Chase Brown. So our draft could have Bijan and Johnny Taylor in there.

[Jason Moore]

Please have. You cannot lose Chase Brown. I will be so upset.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you got, Al? What do you got, Al? What's your situation?

[Jason Moore]

Who's my franchise? Oh, Jamar Chase.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

My franchise.

[Andy Holloway]

More than likely It'll be Trey McBride, franchised Drake London, Garrett Wilson, and Quinch on Judkins.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a good franchise. Do we got one more dude in the office? Papa Josh. Let's hear it. It's tbd Still.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

You don't have a clue on your franchise player.

[Jason Moore]

No, we're waffling big time because.

[Andy Holloway]

Give me the players who waffle in between.

[Jason Moore]

We can help you out here.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, we got you. We do this full time.

[Jason Moore]

We're friends. I'm good.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't trust you guys.

[Jason Moore]

I don't trust you guys.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no, no. You're good. I want to know. Okay, fine. I'm gonna have to pull this up.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

We manipulate your system.

[Jason Moore]

Why don't you pull it up? We legit. Haven't decided yet. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

No, we're gonna. Because you didn't want to tell us.

[Jason Moore]

Don't you?

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so he's got. Here he is. So he's probably going to franchise now. He's. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You see what I'm talking about?

[Andy Holloway]

So he has Pukinakua and he has Amon Ra.

[Mike Wright]

Okay?

[Jason Moore]

Which means if you franchise one of those guys, you cannot keep the other in your lottery because they have to be different positions. So then if he were to.

[Andy Holloway]

And then his running backs are his best running backs, like Kyron. Kyron and Javante. And Bucky. He could franchise Tyler Warren. He could franchise Tyler Warren.

[Jason Moore]

Flexibility.

[Andy Holloway]

He also Hasiron.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Or Rushy Rice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You've got some decisions. That's why I wasn't joking, man. I don't know what I'm doing yet. I think I would franchise Kyron. Put puka almond, raw and rushy rice. That's probably what we're leaning for.

[Andy Holloway]

Franchise one of the I think I franchise Puka, my number one wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Really? And throw.

[Andy Holloway]

And then I'd throw Warren. Warren, Kyron, Bucky for my three.

[Jason Moore]

I would do that too if I were you.

[Andy Holloway]

No, what would you do? Mike?

[Mike Wright]

Eileen.

[Jason Moore]

Eileen.

[Mike Wright]

What Jason said.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Don't you guys make out.

[Mike Wright]

It's the players.

[Andy Holloway]

Go to that Sedona resort.

[Mike Wright]

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