Underrated or Overrated??? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/19

Summary

Episode Summary: Fantasy Footballers - "Underrated or Overrated???" (June 19, 2025)

In this engaging episode of The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive into their exciting new segment, "Underrated or Overrated???", where they scrutinize various players, strategies, and statistical metrics to determine their true value in the fantasy football landscape. Released on June 19, 2025, this episode is a treasure trove of expert analysis, strong opinions, and actionable advice designed to help listeners dominate their fantasy leagues.

Quick Question of the Day: T. Higgins vs. Rashod Rice [05:35]

Listener Inquiry: Doug from Fort Worth, Texas, poses a dilemma—choosing between Tyreek Higgins and Rashod Rice in his upcoming draft.

Hosts' Perspectives:

• Andy Holloway leans towards Tyreek Higgins, emphasizing his consistent performance in high-scoring offenses. "I’m definitely on the T. Higgins side here, like easily on the T. Higgins side personally," Andy asserts at [05:59].

• Jason Moore favors Rashod Rice, citing his impressive target share and potential resurgence. "I think Rice goes right back into being the number one and being just a stud in that area of the field," Jason explains at [07:09].

• Mike Wright highlights the risk factors, including Rice's legal issues and injury concerns, but ultimately sides with Higgins for his reliability. "For me, I'm very comfortable going Higgins here," Mike concludes at [07:46].

Team News: Jordan Addison & Kyron Williams [09:11]

Jordan Addison's Legal Troubles: The hosts discuss Jordan Addison's involvement in a DUI speeding incident, anticipating a suspension of three games. Andy expresses caution, stating, "He will go very, very late in drafts, not be drafted in some," at [10:14].

Kyron Williams' Contract Situation: Mike updates listeners on Kyron Williams, whose contract negotiations with the Miami Dolphins remain unresolved. Andy remains optimistic about Williams' workload and value in fantasy formats, emphasizing, "He still is a Goal Line Monster RB6," at [12:28].

Underrated vs. Overrated Segment

1. Extra Flex Spots in Your League [14:16] – Underrated

Consensus: The trio unanimously considers extra flex spots as underrated.

Insights:

• Andy Holloway highlights the increased relevance of more fantasy players and enhanced league dynamics. "It makes more fantasy players relevant," he shares at [14:37].
• Jason Moore points out the strategic advantages, such as targeting rising stars and diversifying lineups. "When you have a second flex spot, it matters," Jason explains at [15:04].
• Mike Wright agrees, noting its critical importance in smaller leagues. "Borderline critical in like smaller leagues too," Mike adds at [15:26].

2. Washington Commanders Offense [16:35] – Initially Overrated, Later Considered Underrated

Initial Verdict: Overrated

Discussion:

• Andy Holloway argues the Commanders' offense is overrated, citing inflated expectations for Jaden Daniels and a tougher schedule ahead. "They are overrated. People are expecting their offense to be better," Andy states at [16:37].
• Jason Moore concurs, expressing skepticism about their offensive consistency. "It's a lotto ticket at the end of the draft," Jason remarks at [19:21].
• Mike Wright counters by defending the offense's momentum and potential, ultimately siding as underrated. "I do think that the momentum continues. Washington is doing everything right," Mike concludes at [20:48].

3. Yards per Carry as a Stat [24:29] – Overrated

Consensus: Initially divided, but leaning towards overrated

Insights:

• Andy Holloway initially advocates for its underrated value but concedes its limitations, saying, "It's so often helpful and it's correct," at [26:27].
• Jason Moore criticizes the stat's lack of nuance regarding offensive lines and play situations. "The problem with the stat is the team and the offensive line can affect things so much," Jason explains at [27:02].
• Mike Wright supports an overrated stance, emphasizing its oversimplification. "That's why I would say it's overrated," Mike states at [28:28].

4. Rostering Two Quarterbacks in a One-QB League [29:53] – Underrated

Consensus: Underrated

Insights:

• Andy Holloway and Jason Moore both advocate for keeping two quarterbacks, highlighting the evolving fantasy landscape where streaming quarterbacks is less viable. "It's an underrated strategy," Andy asserts at [32:05].
• Mike Wright agrees, noting the benefits of pursuing high-upside quarterbacks. "I think it's underrated," he concurs at [30:10].

5. Mike McDaniel as a Play Caller [33:41] – Split Opinions

Verdicts: Mixed — Mike underrates, while Andy and Jason overrate.

Discussion:

• Mike Wright defends Mike McDaniel, commending his offensive play-calling despite last season's challenges. "I am going underrated" he declares at [33:47].
• Andy Holloway and Jason Moore criticize McDaniel's strategies, pointing out inefficiencies and failures to capitalize on the offense's potential. "I'm going overrated as well," Andy states at [33:46].

6. Caleb Williams [38:30] – Underrated

Consensus: Underrated

Insights:

• Mike Wright believes in Caleb Williams's future potential despite a rocky rookie season, focusing on improvements in the offensive line and supporting cast. "I'm going to still vote on that side," Mike affirms at [41:25].
• Andy Holloway shares optimism about Williams' growth and the team's supporting moves, stressing his belief in Williams as a budding star. "He’s the future," Andy concludes at [39:51].
• Jason Moore remains cautiously hopeful, acknowledging Williams' challenges but recognizing his upside. "I'm still not on Team Rome having the year two breakout but..." Jason comments at [43:15].

7. Isaiah Likely, Tight End for Baltimore Ravens [51:28] – Overrated

Consensus: Overrated

Insights:

• Jason Moore critiques Isaiah Likely's inconsistent target share and compares him unfavorably to teammates, expressing doubt about his fantasy relevance. "It just isn't going to step up for the Ravens," Jason remarks at [51:48].
• Andy Holloway concurs, emphasizing that unless Likely becomes the primary pass-catching tight end, his current value is limited. "Mark Andrews is on the roster this year. So without Andrews being injured...," Andy explains at [54:35].

8. Contested Catches [56:47] – Overrated

Consensus: Overrated

Insights:

• All Hosts agree that contested catches are overrated due to their inconsistent nature and limited impact on overall performance. "There are so many things that are talked about a lot...," Andy states at [57:27].
• Jason Moore elaborates that high percentages in contested catches do not necessarily translate to sustained fantasy success. "When I'm doing my prospect scouting... that's a negative to me," Jason adds at [58:40].
• Mike Wright reinforces the idea by citing examples of receivers whose contested catches did not correlate with high fantasy value. "There are players like Larry Fitzgerald and DJ Moore...," Mike concludes at [59:11].

Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers provide a comprehensive analysis of various aspects influencing fantasy football success. From strategic roster decisions like extra flex spots and quarterback depth to evaluating player performance metrics such as yards per carry and contested catches, the hosts offer nuanced insights backed by thorough discussion. Their dynamic debate on the Washington Commanders' offense and the future prospects of players like Caleb Williams adds depth to the conversation, ensuring listeners are well-equipped to make informed decisions for their fantasy teams.

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease upcoming segments, including mock drafts and AMA episodes, while encouraging listeners to engage with their comprehensive Ultimate Draft Kit available at [ultimate draftkit.com](http://ultimate draftkit.com).

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway: "I can tell you right now my answers are going to be the correct ones." [02:21]
• Jason Moore: "I think Rice goes right back into being the number one and being just a stud in that area of the field." [07:09]
• Mike Wright: "For me, I'm very comfortable going Higgins here." [07:46]
• Andy Holloway: "It makes more fantasy players relevant." [14:37]
• Mike Wright: "I think it's underrated." [24:29]
• Jason Moore: "It's an underrated strategy." [32:05]
• Andy Holloway: "Mark Andrews is on the roster this year. So without Andrews being injured..." [54:35]

This episode is a must-listen for fantasy football enthusiasts seeking in-depth analysis and expert recommendations to enhance their league performance.

Transcript

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Football Ballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome in Thursday, June 19th the fantasy footballers Podcast. Thank you for listening. Thank you for stopping by. Mike the Fantasy Hitman Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Back with you another episode, a new episode, a brand new segment. We're breaking out today, going to do a little underrated overrated on the show. We've got a number of topics we've.

[Jason Moore]

Picked out and two big thumbs up.

[Mike Wright]

We do. We've got some big thumbs for those watching on the on the YouTube but we're all going to weigh in and I don't know what your answer is going to be to any of them, but we're going to talk through players and offenses and topics within fantasy and scoring systems and all sorts of things related to fantasy and figure out if you believe they're underrated or overrated.

[Andy Holloway]

I can tell you right now my answers are going to be the correct ones.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So makes it pretty easy.

[Mike Wright]

So Jason's confidence. Let me go overrated here. On the way there we have a quick question to get through and we have a little bit of news to talk about before we jump into the segment. A reminder, the Ultimate Draft Kit available right now@ultimate draftkit.com you can follow the show over on x. At the FFballers. You can grab the mobile app by by the way, the UDK mobile app is available on all platforms and then you can watch the show on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballer subscribe Click the bell. During the season, Mike does a very sweet Sunday Live oh yes event every single week before the football games kick off where you get to witness him sweating profusely but making all the right calls or some of the right calls.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Also sweating on the inside.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

I don't. It's not unpleasant to watch.

[Mike Wright]

No. In the kind of rankings system here in the studio of sweat, you're not near the pretty low.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

I think Al is number one by a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I'm. I'm number two by a lot. And I. There is. There's no one in. In tier two. There is no one in tier two.

[Jason Moore]

You used to be an S tier sweater.

[Mike Wright]

You were. You're.

[Jason Moore]

I think you're down to A, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I think you've dropped. And Jeremy, I don't even know if S. Tier A, the only reason we.

[Andy Holloway]

Had to make us stands for sweat.

[Jason Moore]

Like, we were like, A's not high enough. We need another one. For the amount he sweats.

[Andy Holloway]

You sweat.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's a different. It's like a gel and he's getting it. He's on vacation. Al's not here in Deucers. Al.

[Andy Holloway]

Of course, it's June, so he's not here.

[Mike Wright]

He's on a well deserved family vacation. But. Yeah, no, Mike, if you played pickleball and you put on a full parka and a sweater, you would sweat less than Al does in athletic gear.

[Jason Moore]

That is. That is true.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Like, because sometimes. Sometimes you play a team like pickleball. It's two on two. And so your teammate does something great. You want to give him a little tap. You want to, like, get him, you know. Don't do that with Al.

[Andy Holloway]

Just pat his shoulder. No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

You'll drown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it goes.

[Mike Wright]

All right, here's our quick question of the day.

[Andy Holloway]

Hold on. Wait. Before we're done dunking on Jeremy. Okay, I just remembered. We were out doing a pickleball game ladder, like a little tournament. And we got with. We faced Jeremy and you were like, wow. Because we weren't on his team. We weren't on his team. We were like, wow, Jeremy, you're a little. Your shirt's a little sweaty. Because his shirt was unbelievably sweaty. And he informs us, he goes, this is my second shirt.

[Mike Wright]

It was his second shirt already changed. I was shocked.

[Andy Holloway]

Do it work?

[Jason Moore]

If you guys hit a chest bump when you're both full sweat, what would happen?

[Mike Wright]

Tidal wave.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That is how water's created.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Can I move on?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, now we can.

[Mike Wright]

Quick question of the day. Doug writes in from Fort Worth, Texas. Hey, Doug says draft is in a week and I'm splitting hairs trying to decide between T. Higgins and Rashi Rice. Do you have any advice? This one I want you two to weigh in. My advice is that I have them very far apart. Like it's a very easy T. Hidden story.

[Andy Holloway]

You are not high on Rice. I know that both Mike and I are believers that Rice is going to be more the clear number one for the Chiefs offense. But I'm definitely on the T. Higgins side here, like easily on the T. Higgins side personally. The reason why is because while we know T. Higgins is not going to be the number one for his team and Rushy Rice could be the number one for his team, we also know that T. Higgins is definitely the two. For a team that needs to score 30 points every game. We have so many more games of T. Higgins dominating for fantasy. Rushy Rice has a couple of small stretches. You know, the end of his rookie year was like there was, there was glimmers, there was promise. Then he comes out, sophomore year, three games of awesomeness. So you add, you add the fact that like, okay, is Rashi Rice the number one for his team? I think he is, but he might not be. He might be the number two. Maybe Xavier Worthy steps up, might be the number three. Maybe Travis Kelsey is still getting 24% targets. It might be just four guys with Hollywood Brown or even more because Mahomes just spreads the ball around. They've got a great defense. They don't need to score 30 every game. So I think there's so much more risk. And also one of these guys is coming off of a season ending injury. One is not like.

[Mike Wright]

And has the legal thing in the background with Rashi Rice and you know, we have him ranked. He's a cumulative. Like if you average our risk rating, he's at 7.7 out of 10 compared to T. Higgins, who is risky. I mean he's got injury concerns and risk as well. Both have similar upside in the UDK target percentage. Right. You can label them a 1, 2 or 3. If you just. The target percentage is what's going to matter. Total passing volume in Cincinnati is going to be higher. And so if they have a similar target percentage, you have more reliability there. For me, I'm very comfortable going Higgins here. You pick a different name, we can have the debate about Rashi Rice.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm taking, I think I'm going Rice if you have to draft in a week. The legal thing I think is fair. It's really quiet on that front. I obviously the closer we get to the start of the season, the more likely it is that the buck will get past another year. Even with the risk of it, a guy who in the first three weeks was averaging a 35% target share from Patrick Mahomes. And I know that it's a different team now, but I think Rice goes right back into being the number one and being just a stud in that area of the field.

[Mike Wright]

It is. He was so impactful in those games that sometimes it feels like he played more than he did.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it does.

[Mike Wright]

In terms of the way, you know, that's the peak of the fantasy season he was breaking out. So it will be interesting. And unfortunately, I mean, I know we're incredible legal experts, but we do have more legal things to talk about.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, boy.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

While Rashi Rice's legal situation, the buck could get passed to a future year or time, we are likely to get a conclusion to the Jordan addison situation, the 2024 DUI speeding situation. There is a jury trial set for July 15th. The expectation that we've heard from multiple sources, including Vikings beat reporter Ben Gosling, is that Addison will be suspended for the first three games based on the standard policy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's. That's not done yet. And unless something is determined to be over and above normal, three would be the max. Based on the timeline and trying to get this done right now, the jury trial that's set, it hasn't happened yet, but I assume, and I changed some stats today to reflect that, I believe the first three games will be missed.

[Mike Wright]

Three games is. It's not so many that you take Addison off your board.

[Andy Holloway]

It almost is for you. It almost is for me because of what he rep. It's not like, you know, if you have a superstar, you know, if Justin Jefferson, his teammate misses the first three weeks, whatever. I don't know that. Just. I don't know that Jordan Addison is a big enough differentiator, like someone that is going to just level up, be so awesome that I'm willing to wait three weeks holding a roster spot.

[Mike Wright]

He's got. I mean, his ADP will collapse.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, he will. He will go very, very late in drafts, not be drafted in some. In that case, I think he could be impactful. Mike, would you still select Jordan Addison?

[Jason Moore]

ADP will be everything. Right now. He's going in the middle of the sixth round, wide receiver, 32 on sleeper, which is. That's already. For what he's shown us. Yeah, he's got a rookie, not a rookie quarterback, but technically a sophomore who is a rookie. And I think that he would probably drop into the double Digit rounds if you're missing three games and then at that point you do have, you don't.

[Mike Wright]

Have an IR spot for him. He takes up.

[Jason Moore]

You do not. But at that point I would be willing to take the chance on him because he would if he will be an incredibly popular waiver pickup. And so, you know, I'm trying to think about that of like, I'm going to save some fab. I'm just going to get out in front of it, hold him through those three weeks and find out he is.

[Mike Wright]

Definitively the best receiver outside of Jefferson on that team. Oh, yeah, and you know, we'll see what happens with McCarthy. But last year, nine touchdowns in just 15 games played. Has a, has a, I mean, total.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

A nose for the big. I mean, it just happens with him. So we'll see. But that's the situation with Jordan Addison. Rams head coach Sean McVeigh came out and said the team has, quote, made progress on a contract. How long with Kyron?

[Jason Moore]

They've been making progress for months with Kyron Williams.

[Mike Wright]

Just let me get the whole thing out there so you know who we're talking about. But you guys have been eagerly awaiting a Kyron. I mean, we all have as fantasy managers been awaiting a Kyron Williams extension. This is a team that spent a fourth rounder on a running back. They spent a second rounder or third rounder last year. And Kyren's just been the guy. I mean, I, I kind of look at, you know, Kyron and Chase Brown, like, Chase Brown is like Kyron a year ago where people still want to know, are you the dude? And then the team went out and they, you know, they brought in Khalil Herbert and it's like, oh, maybe now they don't want him to. Oh, no, he's still the dude.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And then you go into this year and it seems like Chase Brown's the guy. Kyron, the building loves him. Sean McVeigh loves him. But no contract yet. And so we are, we are waiting.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no contract extension. He's obviously under contract this year. For Dynasty managers, it makes a huge difference. I think even in redraft, depending on what the deal is, if they pay him a ton of money, you know, it solidifies his spot. Makes me feel a little bit more confident. I personally am already still confident. I don't think that his workload is going to disappear. I believe where he's being drafted right now is behind where he'll finish. Certainly is far behind where he's finished the last two years. And I know last year his efficiency metrics dropped a little bit, you know, but he still is a Goal Line.

[Mike Wright]

Monster RB6 2 consecutive years despite not playing a full season in either of them. So hard to argue with that. But the contract would make us feel very cozy about the workload. The same way we'd feel about James Cook. Maybe if he signed an extension. It was a team, maybe a commitment. I mean, we solved the touchdown aggression story, but at least you know, the guy was going to be the guy. So I don't think we have anything else news wise. Do we have anything back there, Papa Josh? No, that's going to do it. Okay, well, we will.

[Andy Holloway]

News this time of year is overrated.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, boy.

[Andy Holloway]

Underrated or overrated?

[Jason Moore]

Okay, get my thumbs situated.

[Mike Wright]

You got your, your thumbs figured out?

[Jason Moore]

I think so.

[Mike Wright]

That's, that's a weird, weird thing to say. All right, we'll start it here at the top. Underrated or overrated? And we'll start with this topic. Extra flex spots in your league.

[Jason Moore]

So think about how are we doing it?

[Mike Wright]

Think about it for a second. I'll count it down. No, I'm gonna go three, two, one. Extra flex spots in your league. Underrated or overrated? Three, two, one. Okay. We are all unanimously, it's underrated on the extra flex spots. We'll take the layup on the first one. But tell me why.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean it is so much more fun to play if you're in a league right now where you've got one flex spot. Put a vote to add another flex spot. It makes more fantasy players relevant. It makes the better managers usually do better in those leagues because they are finding the diamonds in the rough. They are mining the waiver wire and finding people that and trades just like trades low.

[Jason Moore]

When you have fewer spots. All you're trying to do is I need to get the big boys. I need. I'm trying to trade for Saquon. I'm going to. When you have a second flex spot, it matters. I'm out there trying to get players who I think are on the rise. The way I think about stashing players is a little bit different and it's a more reward, rewarding experience as a fantasy football player.

[Mike Wright]

Borderline critical in like smaller leagues too. Like a 10 person league, you should.

[Jason Moore]

Probably have a three flex.

[Mike Wright]

You could definitely have three flex in there. And you know, we have. Or Jason, I guess is out there with the signs on the anti kicker movement. But part of that is, you know, you can remove a kick a kicker A position not heavily researched or enjoyed and put in a flex spot where you just have a week to week. Like more guys get played, there's more variability, there's more players to follow that you've made a decision to, you know, you're not just rolling a random kicker out there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If you can find the, you know, when you are the guy that grabs Juwan Jennings for hot stretch and gets in that second flex spot, it makes, it makes a huge difference. The strategy is more fun. And that's really what, you know, we play the game for fun. And so I think it is far more fun with more flex.

[Mike Wright]

So we all went underrated there. Okay. Underrated. Overrated. The Washington commanders offense in 2025. So moving forward, the commander's offense. Underrated. Overrated. Three, two, one. Okay. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Two. Overrated.

[Mike Wright]

I went underrated and you both went overrated.

[Jason Moore]

I did.

[Mike Wright]

So take that, Washington. The majority can speak first. You both put overrated. It was an impressive year. 6th in points per game last year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, they obviously are great. Whenever we talk about the Commanders, we talk about, hey, they're a good offense. I've talked about, you know, Brian Robinson. You want to target him at the very end of drafts because he's on a good offense. And while I still see the Commanders as a good offense, I think they are overrated. I think that people are expecting their offense to be better in year two of Jaden Daniels than in year one. And that makes sense. He was great to me to get better. They were sixth in points per game. They were fifth in total yards per game. Like, they're not going to top that this season. They had a super easy schedule last year, one of the easiest in the league. That is going completely the other direction this year. You know, Cliff Kingsbury, he's had some good offenses before, but it's also not something that can't be figured out. This was a quarterback that really surprised a lot of teams with how good he was, how mobile and you know, the year two, it doesn't always get better. C.J. stroud.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes the offense can take a hit. The teams in your division have an off season to game plan to draft and sign players for your division mates. So I think right now that whether, if you had to, if I had to put a dollar on whether the Washington Commanders offense scores more points or fewer points this coming season, then I.

[Jason Moore]

Would put it on fewer where I'm going. Overrated is it, you know, gives me vibes of not last year's Ravens, but Before that where it was this extremely high powered offense. I'm not saying they're overrated in terms of. I think there's massive regression to the offense overall. I think, I think Jaden's the truth. But it's like those Baltimore teams, you were really excited for Lamar, you were pretty excited for Mark Andrews and then who, like for a team that's giving this, this incredibly high powered offense, you don't want pieces of it because it's so sporadic when it actually happens. And Terry McLaurin won't take the season away from him or not. QB wide receiver 5. But he had under 1100 yards and I don't know that that can go up very much. And I like taking the shot on Brian Robinson too, even Austin Eckler. But I don't take the shot on them because I'm excited about their players and really thinking it's going to work out. It's just a, it's a lotto ticket at the end of the draft.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean I think it is.

[Jason Moore]

Also I saw Debo running routes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, I mean look, Debo is part of the argument for underrated. The fact that you have another weapon in the offense that is going to be explosive play potential. And if you look at the progression of Jaden Daniels, like this is. His stat lines are not like something outlier. Right. This is not a 40 touchdown Lamar Jackson passing touchdown season. He threw 25 touchdowns. His pass attempt pace. He was a rookie. Like he first half of the year he's averaging. He was on pace for like 430 passing attempts back half of the year. It's like 600. Like they gave him more and he did more with it. He had prolific fantasy performances against top defenses. You can talk about the schedule all you want. I made 36 points against the Eagles. They won the Super Bowl. That's a Pretty good performance. 26 points against the top tier Dallas defense a couple weeks before that. Jaden Daniels has proven time and time again that when you doubt him, you regret it. And so I do think that there's a little bit of nuance to the answer because if you want to say overrated for fantasy purposes because of selecting, you know, being able to identify which wide receiver on one giving week or is it Zach Ertz or God forbid been sent it or somebody making.

[Jason Moore]

I'm willing to change my answer. Washington.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, forbid for Ben.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but we put Ertz on the bench and we put a superstar in.

[Mike Wright]

But I think the offense itself, points.

[Jason Moore]

Per game will skyrocket.

[Mike Wright]

I think it's underrated. I think we, we have seen quite a few offenses that you want to, you want to look to the pushback and look, it was about Stroud in Houston. It wasn't necessarily at the offense was a top five offense. But like with Detroit, when they've been doubted, they've had multiple years in a row of success. When Miami was touted with McDaniels, they had multiple years of success before a fallback year last year and half of it to a tongue of iloa out there. But I do think that the momentum continues. Washington is doing everything right. So that's the side I'm on. I'm going to, I'm going to be the lone commander here but we'll take a break and we've got a lot more underrated, overrated to go.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

All right, you guys ready for our next one?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, let me get back.

[Andy Holloway]

This one, I think will be a little fun.

[Mike Wright]

A little fun?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, because it's very obvious. Let's just get to it.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Yards per carry in general. Yards per carry as a stat. Underrated or overrated? Think about it for a second. Those of you out there, think about what your answer would be. Yards per carry, underrated or overrated? I wish there was a struggle. I wish there was a third sign in some ways, but.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let's see.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Underrated or overrated? Three, two, one. Oh, once again, I stand alone.

[Jason Moore]

Here we go. I fixed my side. I'm on underrated.

[Mike Wright]

Mike turned it sideways. Jason and Mike with underrated. I went overrated on yards per carry.

[Andy Holloway]

When I saw this in the doc, I just assumed this is an easy three way overrated. The stat is always made fun of. You know, I think Chris Harris has always talked about how bad a stat it is, and I feel like I.

[Jason Moore]

Say that, like, here's his yards per game. It's not the best stat.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's not the best stat. And so it's. So I assumed. Not the best. I assumed we would all say it's, you know, it's overrated. But I want to. I want to speak up for yards per carry for a second because the truth is I know that there's. There's different backs, there's goal line backs versus the explosive backs. It's not always fair. You know, the guy who is getting the fourth and one carries all the time. Yeah, that. That's not going to be as helpful for him. But in the end, efficiency really matters for fantasy football.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it does.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me read the best yards per carry out there in the league this last year in order. Derek Henry, Saquon Barkley, Jameer Gibbs, Bucky Irving, Jordan Mason, James Cook. No, Jordan Mason was good, but yeah, limited touches. He was very good for fantasy when, when, when he had the job. And so I feel like, yeah, you're right, Mike. Even we, we, we crap on that stat. We say like, oh, yards per carry is not a good stat. I don't know, man, maybe it is. So I'm saying it's underrated in the sense that I was.

[Mike Wright]

I'm surprised at your answer.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I thought you'd go and Mike, you went that way too.

[Jason Moore]

So do you want to. I went that way because of Jason laid out a good argument and it's. To me, if a, if a player is a workhorse, you know, they're getting 200 plus carries and yeah, wow. You know, they're getting all this volume. But I think that does speak to, if you're, if you're a full time workhorse and you're under four or carry, like to me is that, you know, you need to do better. The problem with the stat is the team and the offensive line can affect things so much that that's where I.

[Mike Wright]

Would, I would go. And I think that there are some situations where we've watched NFL teams devalue this stat. Josh Jacobs got a hefty contract, big deal, 3.5 a carry his last year in Las Vegas. That number did not rule the day when the team, when Green Bay decided we're going to bring him back in and he was at 4.4 in a new offense. Similarly with Joe Mixon looked at as a workhorse.

[Jason Moore]

Ken Walker was, I think sub 4 last year and it's like he's forcing more missed tackles per run than anybody else in the league.

[Mike Wright]

It is, it is a fallback stat sometimes that we use here on the show.

[Jason Moore]

Not complete enough.

[Mike Wright]

But it's, that's, that's why I would say it's overrated, is that it is, it is not nuanced enough to take away the salting away the game at the end. The defensive front is not factored in. Right. You're facing an eight man front versus a, you know, empty box, goal line carries, fourth down, plunges, all of these different things. Now in the grand scheme, it's pretty good at indicating efficiency over a huge amount of carries. I Agree with that. But there's some variability there year to year. Sometimes you get a big play because we didn't talk about that at all, right? Like, okay, you make a big play, your yards per carry is going to be affected by a 74 yard run, right? In a way that doesn't really show your efficiency on a down by down basis. It's just a, it's a balancing act. You're not losing 74 on another carry, right. To even it out.

[Andy Holloway]

So I do think it's, it's a. So I mean, in general, I don't, I don't love the stat. I just wanted to give it its due because we do actually fall into looking at this for, for legitimate, real, you know, we look at the life arc of running backs a lot of times and as they age and you start seeing those efficiency numbers go down and down. It's a really easy thing to look at and say, okay, you know, Javante Williams, it's like, woo. You know, you've got kind of an easy barometer to know if someone is efficient or inefficient. And more often than not, I realize, like everything you're saying is 100% right. It's so not nuanced. There's so much more to whether a running back is good or is not than that silly little stat. But more often than not, it's really helpful and it's correct.

[Mike Wright]

I will tell you this. If you are arguing for a player that I disagree with and I can look at our website and see that his yards for carry have diminished for any sort of trend, I will throw that in your face.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

I will throw that right in your face. All right. Overrated. Underrated. This one's interesting. Rostering. Two quarterbacks in a one quarterback league. Two quarterbacks in a one quarterback league. I would say before we vote, you know, this is not something that I think we've prescribed very often.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

So I guess thinking about it fresh. All right, I've got mine figured out. Two quarterbacks in a one quarterback league. Keeping them on your roster. Underrated. Overrated. Three, two, one, under.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, all right.

[Mike Wright]

We all agree.

[Jason Moore]

I have turned around.

[Mike Wright]

We all went dramatically underrated here. And we have a segment on the podcast every single week. Quarterback streamer of the week. Which is the pre. You know, the idea there is, look, if you don't have one of those top tier guys and you need to find a good start this week, that's what we're giving you on the show. But that also presupposes you're grabbing them off the waiver wire. You don't have them on your roster already.

[Jason Moore]

And the way that I used to handle that is if I went into, okay, the. I took a, you know, a later round quarterback, it didn't work out. I can stream. That's kind of the argument, a part of an argument for being able to wait on quarterback is if it doesn't work in the draft, you can stream. And as long as you know the right things to look for, very often you can stream and get, you know, a top 12 performance. You're not going to be streaming the top three guy every week, but you're going to have a strong enough team that you can just find quarterback points off the waiver wire. And the way I used to do it was I would just drop whoever my quarterback was because I'm like, I'm not wasting a spot on a second quarterback. And just over time I have run into issues on certain weeks where I'm like, I shouldn't have dropped that guy. I didn't look at his next week schedule. It was just, it was, it was too rash.

[Andy Holloway]

I know why it's changed, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Why is that?

[Andy Holloway]

Because this has changed over time. If you, if you're a longtime listener of the show, I mean, we would have, we would have told everybody, you know, when you're drafting a second quarterback, don't do it. There was no need in single quarterback leagues, but there is actually need now because over time the fantasy football landscape shifts and, you know, the late round quarterback model became more and more popular. And as that happened and people were streaming, more people in your league start holding on to two quarterbacks. And as soon as they do now, all of a sudden, streaming off the waiver wire isn't that good. You got to look a couple of weeks into the future, you got to play the matchup.

[Jason Moore]

Supply demand has gone down.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. And so right now, today, in 2025, I think it's an underrated strategy. You also give yourself the opportunity in draft season to go after the big wild card players. That could be awesome for fantasy football like Justin Fields or Anthony Richardson or these guys. It's like, I don't want to have that be my quarterback. But, but what if, you know, I want, I want the chance?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, it makes sense. I think it has changed a little bit. We never would have, I think, voted that way about five years ago.

[Jason Moore]

No. And even in the draft, I would. Years ago, I would never have drafted two quarterbacks. It was. And then, you know, the finding A late round guy who runs as opposed to like I'm, hey, I'm going to take my shot on this sleeper and I hope in four weeks, three to four weeks, I know if this guy's going to pay off with a quarterback. Justin Fields go out in Week 1. He runs for 75, throws for 180 and two touchdowns. People are going to be sweaty for Justin Fields immediately. I just think the, the timing of knowing if that quarterback is going to pay off, I think there's a. There's a slighter, a slightly higher probability you'll know early and then you can make moves accordingly.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, that makes sense. All right, next one. Mike McDaniel as a play caller. So the Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel going into year four. Underrated or overrated? We'll see what the reaction is like after last year. Underrated. Overrated. Mike McDaniel as a play caller. Three, two, one.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going over.

[Mike Wright]

Mike went over. Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going overrated as well.

[Mike Wright]

I took underrated.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

The cheese continues to stand alone over here.

[Jason Moore]

I loved that short area, Johnny.

[Mike Wright]

Look, I will. I'll start this one just with my defense of Mike McDaniel. There are years that are just plain, you know, they circle the drain early and they just don't work out. That's how I look at last season.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes you can't even flush a turd.

[Mike Wright]

No, I've been there, brother.

[Andy Holloway]

Gotta get that poop knife. Sometimes it builds a bridge. You know what I'm saying?

[Mike Wright]

Please tell me, please tell me that's not a thing.

[Andy Holloway]

It is not a thing for me. But is it is a real thing in the world. Just I know about it.

[Jason Moore]

No way. We just made it. If people out there have not read the legendary proof knife, it's real for some people.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll tell you what. Poop knife underrated. Okay? Boop. Knife is underrated.

[Mike Wright]

How do I even get back anyway?

[Andy Holloway]

Where were you going? You were talking about flushing a turd.

[Mike Wright]

I thought Mike McDaniels the season last year was just an unmitigated failure for the Dolphins. But there were a lot of extenuating circumstances on this roster. And they began with Tua Tungavailoa. The injury and the uncertainty around him, his return, he's crucial to the offense. Tyree Kill the injury, his lack of performing the first the last two years, number five and number two in points per game. We already saw him follow up a debut head coaching season with a better season. He is one of. You know, they were one of five teams to average four plus 4.6 plus yards per play over the last three years. I think the resume speaks for itself. I think last year you look at what happened and it was just a mess. I mean they, I know that there's a lot of negativity around them and for good reason. They don't beat good teams very often. But from a fantasy perspective, I am happier to know Mike McDaniel is the head coach and offensive play caller for that team than I would be somebody else. So he's still on that side for me. I'm going to go underrated.

[Andy Holloway]

He's definitely on the side of I would prefer to have him versus like a defensive minded head coach for my fantasy players. However, you know, the can't be good teams narrative, it's been sticky. I mean, we're talking about just teams over.500 in the last three years. His record is 3 and 14 against them. And oftentimes in those games, those aren't close games. They, they don't look like, they look like a team that when they play bad teams, they just, they've got a gimmick, they've got a shtick and the other bad teams can't figure it out. But if you're a good team, you're like, oh, we'll just. No problem. No. And so I, I feel like he got a little bit overrated with, you know, look, when you've got speed like Devon Achan and Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle, you can come onto the scene and really surprise scenes.

[Mike Wright]

Two years, three years of the scene.

[Andy Holloway]

All I know is last year they.

[Mike Wright]

Figured him out after 34 games. I mean, he was number one in points per game two years ago.

[Andy Holloway]

Number two, but yes. And then number 18 this last year. Obviously you lose a little bit of tua, but a lot of bit. Well, yeah, you missed several games and then when you got to a back, it just wasn't the same. And so I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

And you blame Mike McDaniel for that?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't blame Mike McDaniel solely and only for that at all. But I do think he is seen as this real mastermind and I'm not sure he's a mastermind. I think he's clever.

[Jason Moore]

I think the shine's wearing off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So rapidly.

[Jason Moore]

I'm saying publicly, I think people are more and more out on him, but for me it's like some of the metrics. And watching Tyreek last year, it is weird.

[Andy Holloway]

I was infuriated watching the Dolphins.

[Jason Moore]

It is weird. That if you're. If your superpower is offense and calling plays, how are you not getting these guys the ball more? Well, I mean, you go with Johnnu.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of the metrics. If you look at Tyreek, he was just as effective when you did give him the opportunity.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I mean.

[Mike Wright]

And they record was last year. I mean, that was a bad year where they lost their quarterback and had lots of issues. They still went 8 and 9. They still went 8 and 9. I think we look at last year and we've got this narrative of the three and 14 against winning teams, and it's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you think he's the head coach in 2026?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Yeah, I think they're going to be okay. So split opinions there. How about Caleb Williams? Just Caleb Williams. Underrated. Overrated. I thought this would be an interesting name to bring up because he's polarizing. So underrated. Overrated. Caleb Williams, you're shaking your head over there. I'm going to make you make a choice.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Three, two, one. Once again, me and Jay are locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

Baby, you are so smart.

[Mike Wright]

You're.

[Jason Moore]

You said you were going to get the right answers.

[Andy Holloway]

And we have. You know what I mean?

[Mike Wright]

We're nailing my opinions right here. Okay. I'm all alone on the underrated.

[Jason Moore]

And this is for right now. It could change. Just watching him play last year, I know, I know the offensive line was horrifically bad, but he does more often than not, looked like he was completely outmatched at every level. And I know we had. We had a few fantasy games where they're getting just absolutely demolished in the first half and they have to mount a comeback and he's able to put up some points and they still lose. But this fantasy day is sort of salvaged.

[Mike Wright]

Five finishes in the top six at the quarterback position. I'm going to be honest, I'm shocked that Jason voted the way he did. I don't know if he. I don't know if he just wanted to be with you again on the vote.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't know what he was voting.

[Mike Wright]

Completely shocked because I feel like. I don't feel like you believe in what you put up.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So.

[Mike Wright]

Or you want to believe.

[Andy Holloway]

I certainly don't want to believe what I put up. I hope Caleb Williams is excellent. The fact that you get three new offensive linemen at that center and good ones like they. They totally upgraded that offensive line amazingly.

[Mike Wright]

Three dudes playing center.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

One really wide jersey.

[Andy Holloway]

Guard, center, guard.

[Mike Wright]

That's A good plan.

[Andy Holloway]

Ben Johnson coming over, like, like, I'm really hopeful that Caleb Williams is a superstar.

[Jason Moore]

I'm hopeful too.

[Andy Holloway]

And I went into this season, especially after those transactions, believing that, thinking that when I went through the first pass of the udk, you know, I was pretty bullish on the opportunities. I still want to draft DJ Moore. I still want to draft Roma Dunes A. Because the avenue for them to have great successes is clear and obvious. The truth is, I went back and I watched him after all of that and he. It was just simply clean pockets, passing to guys, not giving them catchable balls. That was my issue. I'm like, wait, this is. That can't be. You can't be an inaccurate quarterback and thrive and succeed. He was 44th and 47 qualifying quarterbacks in catchable target rate. You saw that he had 31% pressure to sack rate where he's. He is part of the reason he's taking the sacks. I know that the offensive line was bad, but that was, you know, only Will Levis was worse than that. And so I just watched the film and I was like, man, I don't know why he's not able. He kept throwing it behind people so much. And you can correct that. Josh Allen was, you know, is the poster child for, for inaccurate, not consistent into super duper star mvp. Caliber mvp.

[Mike Wright]

He's caliber mvp.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I was saying MVP caliber player. But he won the MVP this year.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he did. That's why Josh Allen, to be fair, I mean, he was a 52% passer. Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was a 62 1/2% passer as a rookie. And I think I'm going to choose to believe a lot of that had to do with pressing offensive line situations. So if you talk about uncatchable pass.

[Andy Holloway]

Bad play designs as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And so, you know, you need to be more accurate. I agree. You need to make, you know, give your receivers a better opportunity to make plays for you. I agree with that. He missed guys all the time. It's not a, it's not a defense of a rookie season. That's not what I think an underrated viewpoint is hinging upon. It's a projection towards the future and seeing enough elite performances where this was not a rookie that came out here and laid an egg in every moment of every game. It was, you know, trying to do too much, taking too many sacks, playing for a really bad offensive line, getting a little gun shy, missing guys when he needed to hit them, but still showing me enough elite performances for fantasy That I think that that's in the range his range of outcomes is very like there's a positive Caleb Williams story to be told and I think we could get it with the level of weapons they had they invest in Colson Loveland and Luther Burden. You've still got you know a Dunes A in year two and DJ Moore. So I'm. I'm excited about it. I would have. I would be a little bit more excited if they had brought in somebody who had more confidence in at running back than DeAndre Swift. But I, I'm going to still vote on that side.

[Jason Moore]

I am very like I'm a very proud papa of the the fantasy community here of we didn't. We haven't yet overreacted I believe to the addition of of Ben Johnson being the head coach of the Chicago Bears. Like if where we are this year compared to last year, it seems like a much healthier spot for all Bears players.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

For all I'm talking about ADPs where he's the QB14 right now compared to the QB12. And if you remember last year all three, you know, Keenan, DJ Moore and Rome were all like top five top six round picks and it was and I talked about Rome on on one of our bus shows I think it was and I'm like it can't it. It's impossible for it to work for all three of these guys. So I'm going to pick Rome to be the one that I think is the lowest odds. But it was just a. We were so saying we the fantasy community so hyped for Caleb and the pass catchers there that it got out of control and it's been more managed this year and yeah because to the point where it is it's okay. I don't love I'm not on I'm still not on Team Rome having the year two breakout but in round seven. Okay. I'll take that chance.

[Mike Wright]

Now that Caleb's played a year we know how it go wrong. Yeah and we didn't poor quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just saying that's how it could go.

[Jason Moore]

It was a part of the issue.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I hemmed and hard before this. This wasn't an easy one for me and I'm not. I don't think it's a slam dunk. It's just if I have to pick one which you did. I'm on the underrated. The overrated side.

[Mike Wright]

We're going to take one more break and then we're going to come back. I've got a handful more of these that we're going to get through. It's been fun.

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

Underrated, baby.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my goodness. Mike and I are together almost every time.

[Jason Moore]

I got all the right answers. Jay, you wrote them down. I'm copying.

[Mike Wright]

So I went overrated.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm shocked at your answer.

[Mike Wright]

Jason went underrated. Mike went underrated. I would not have answered this way three years ago. I am. I'm going to answer overrated on this one, because I do believe that much like yards per carry, there is an aspect of nuance here that is. Has entered the playing field. There was a time in which I feel like the direct correlation of completion percentage and fantasy excellence. I mean, it was right in your face. And the Drew Brees era, right? And he was elite. You know, he was special. He broke all the records in that department. But you do have offensive systems now where players can go out and they can dink and dunk and short area targets and there's no deep, you know, depth of target throws. So I do feel like it can get a little bit overrated in telling you the story of what a player can do. So Geno Smith might be an example of somebody that really high completion percentage, somebody I don't believe in as much as a fantasy option or as an NFL star. Derek Carr, very high completion percentage, same category. We could all watch with our eyeballs and say, well, the completion percentage is not translating to greatness to a Tua. Yeah, Tua is a good example. I mean, he was number one in 72.9%. Jared Goff, even who we talked about on the Jameson Williams sleeper show, like, Jared Goff wasn't throwing the ball deep very much. And he's a really good quarterback. I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying it's overrated if that's your standalone metric.

[Andy Holloway]

So what's funny is the reason I'm underrated and I think it's a good metric, is not for the good completion percentage. Everything you just said, I agree with.

[Mike Wright]

It's for the bad.

[Andy Holloway]

It's for the bad. And that's why I'm shocked you didn't go underrated.

[Mike Wright]

Because over the last couple years about dogging Anthony Richardson.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly. Right. Over the last couple years, when we hold on to, you know, I know Josh Allen is that poster child of the completion percentage changing, but he's not just a poster child. He's it. He's the only one. Like when you bet against guys with bad completion percentages, you win. You win. Other than Josh Allen, it is an indicator of the worst quarterbacks in the league and, you know, especially in today's day and age. So I, I don't look at the top end, you know, and say, this guy's great because he's completing 70% of his passes. What are the passes? You know, just dink and dunk. So many screens in today's NFL. But if you can't, in today's NFL have a high completion Percentage. You might be an inaccurate, inconsistent quarterback and that don't work in the NFL. So that's. I am more underrated on the bad completion percentage.

[Mike Wright]

I think you do reach a Mendoza line of sorts. There's a point you get to where that's a baseball reference. You wouldn't understand it.

[Andy Holloway]

I did not understand it. You are correct.

[Mike Wright]

There's a point where, yeah, you go below a certain mark. I completely agree. You know, Alex Smith was always the poster child of like, super high completion percentages. He had a 70% completion percentage season where he averaged like seven fantasy points a game. So, yeah, it doesn't tell the whole story, but I agree. I think there's a point you get. You get below a certain point and you are not. It's not possible to be a successful NFL quarterback and you just.

[Jason Moore]

You need to keep drives alive. You. You need to find your second, maybe your third read and just making good. It's part of, like, you're making good decisions. You know, sometimes you're going to take your chance and just. You missed on that one. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So I just.

[Jason Moore]

I think overall, if I'm. We've all said it. I'm betting on if you can have a good completion percentage. I'm going to bet on you being at least a competent quarterback who I'm okay. Having fantasy weapons for. You.

[Mike Wright]

Didn't we. I'm remembering this with Aaron Rodgers. He had some completion percentage metrics that people began to believe he was working to preserve on a career perspective with decision making. And if that does become too prolific in a quarterback's mind, it can impact taking your shots down the field. We've had these quarterbacks in fantasy history where it's like, oh, like Derek Carr. Like, please just throw it, throw it, throw it down the. Another check down. All right. Overrated. Underrated. Isaiah Likely. Tight end of the Baltimore Ravens. Overrated. Underrated. Isaiah likely. 25 years old, lived with Mark Andrews there.

[Jason Moore]

Jason's face. This is that of a terrified man.

[Mike Wright]

All right. All right, we'll see what he weighs in here. He's really. He's struggling here. Overrated. Underrated. Isaiah Likely. I think he's a Fun topic for 20, 25. 3, 2, 1. What will you two pick together?

[Jason Moore]

Overrated.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy. We're together.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my gosh. This is what it feels like to be part of the majority.

[Andy Holloway]

Part of the correct.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, you were looking for. Mike went with overrated. I went underrated. Jason went underrated. Mike. Go ahead.

[Jason Moore]

So when we. The story of Isaiah Likely is essentially week one. Last year and where he had. He exploded, you know in game one of the season. Everybody is watching it gets 12 targets, goes nine for 111 and a score and was that you know like a one big toe away from tying it and we all and Mark Andrews had essentially nothing and it was oh it happened. Isaiah likely is the guy. Mark Andrews is completely dust and then look over the last three years, you know, fewer receptions than Austin Hooper. He has the same receiving touchdowns as Juwan Johnson and it's. He's an, he's a. I think he's a fine NFL player but for. And I'm okay with people having the take of. I think Mark Andrews is on truly on the downside and he's not going to be really fantasy relevant. To me that doesn't make Isaiah likely just this isn't just copy paste over Isaiah likely turns into the Mark Andrew stats. You know I went back and watched week one because I was, I was, I was watching for Rashad Bateman of after he got that extension and it was like man, there were so many plays where Isaiah likely was not. He was not a part of that plan. It was Lamar Jackson scrambled forever and then happened to find Isaiah likely and then, and likely to his credit made, made some stuff happen with the targets. But it's so for me it's just a. I don't think he's taking over for Mark Andrews. I think it's far more likely that Mark Andrews bounces back this year. Then Isaiah likely takes the step and becomes the tight end we want for the Baltimore Ravens.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we're still one year away because you know you talk about Austin Hooper's reception, Juwan Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

I don't care about cumulative stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

Those guys weren't playing behind Mark Andrews on the team like Isaiah likely is not going to go out there and dominate stats wise. While Mark Andrews is playing the majority of the snaps as the primary pass catching tight end over the last several years. Mark Andrews is on the roster this year. So from a redraft perspective, I think without Mark Andrews being injured, yeah, Andrews probably isn't going to step up. We have seen him step up though like 9 career games without Andrews. 11 half PPR points per game. That is outstanding for a tight end. I think we know he can do it. And from a dynasty perspective I believe Mark Andrews is one and done with the Ravens this year and that the 25 year old Isaiah likely is the future. They'll resign him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's going to, they're going to need to Pay him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. He's in his last contract, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, last year.

[Andy Holloway]

And so I think this is more of a future play which works at the tight end position. Usually if you got a guy going into year four and you're like, ah, he hasn't really done anything, the one position I would want it to be would be tight end. It's slow to start and then you put someone behind the team. Has always since rookie years talked about him, how special he's looked, how good he is, and it's like, well then why hasn't he broken out? Well, he's been playing behind, you know, I don't know if Mark Daniels are a Hall of Famer.

[Mike Wright]

He's also had breakout games, which is enough if you're the backup tight end. To me, I would not expect him to have done anything more than what he's done until he is the guy. Until he can get more than 58.

[Andy Holloway]

Targets in a season, the question will be, will he. He be allowed to become the guy? And that'll really be the answer to this question. Because if he never gets the chance to be the guy from this team or another team to be the primary pass catching, then he's overrated right now because some of us are waiting for that to happen.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would. I'd love Isaiah likely as a late week one flyer to see what things look like on this offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe the snap shares and target counts go likely first, Andrew second.

[Mike Wright]

Not that he can beat last year's week one and still. You could still be wrong, but that was.

[Jason Moore]

That was 20% of his targets.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, Jim Harbaugh came out in the year and talked about their expectations as all pro performances from Isaiah likely this year. He's definitely the future. There's a reason they talked about trading Mark Andrews all throughout draft season. His time is coming to an end and so I'd like to be on the front end of a very athletic tight end that has shown high end performances. So that's why I lean on the underrated side because I don't think we've got to see it all. We just. When he's full time. Jason mentioned it. The numbers are great. When he's full time. All right, we got time for probably one more. Let's go. Let's go. Contested catches. Overrated. Underrated. Contested catches. What do you think? This one's interesting. Do you already have your answers?

[Andy Holloway]

I have my answers.

[Jason Moore]

Jason's over here sorting his thumbs again.

[Mike Wright]

Sorting his thumbs. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Contested catches. Oh, gosh. All Right. I got it. You guys got yours?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Three, two, one. Oh my goodness.

[Jason Moore]

Triple overrated.

[Andy Holloway]

We started unanimous, we end unanimous.

[Mike Wright]

All went with overrated. So tell me, tell me why you answered. Because this one was hard for me. You know, I started with the perspective of like all the best receivers I've ever known are incredible at that skill. But there's also been players that are completely irrelevant as wide receivers that have been pretty good at that skill.

[Andy Holloway]

So I wonder the reason I think it's overrated is very not sticky stat. You look at some players who you know one year Juwan Jennings has two contested catches on 33% catch rate on those the next year he has 18 and catches 75%. T. Higgins one year has four contested catches on only 30%. He's always bad at it and then the next year he's great at it. He's got 16 on 61%. Where I like and care about contested catches is I don't love contested catch college superstars because it scares me for separate.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I'm overrated because contested catch.

[Mike Wright]

College DBs are not.

[Jason Moore]

You should not be so contested in college.

[Andy Holloway]

You should be separating.

[Jason Moore]

If you are the elite 1% of college football players at the wide receiver position and you're going to make it in the league, you shouldn't be having contested catches all the time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, being good at contested catches is a great skill to have having a ton of data on that but you know that data point is like a yellow maybe red flag.

[Jason Moore]

When I'm doing my prospect scouting of college players and I'm looking at how like what percentage of your targets are contested, like that's a negative to me.

[Mike Wright]

Well it's funny because I think about Mike Williams in college and being a big bodied receiver that could go up and get it. Drake London the last two years has led the league in back to back years at this skill. So it's obviously a special talent for him. There are play calls and play designs and when you see the disparity between 23 and 24, I think at times that's what it comes down to. Like if you're inside the 10 and you want to throw fate and you if you catch it, it's contested. That's just basically how that works.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

And so there are players. Larry Fitzgerald does Bryant, Brandon, Brandon Marshall.

[Jason Moore]

Deandre Hopkins, Jaz Bryant just like Gronkowski simple out route or whatever that thing was was nearly unstoppable.

[Mike Wright]

And look, I don't know, there's probably not a ton of short, contested catchers out there either. So we all went overrated because I think, you know different ways to win out there. Like, I always think of Alan Robinson too. Like, Alan Robinson had a horrible. Like it was a high contested catch percentage and it was like not a lot of average yards of separation. Same with Brandon Marshall. But they were elite wide receivers because they knew how to use their physicality. Right. Like the physicality aspect comes. That's what we look at with Drake London, he does bully dbs. That's part of it.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah, the thing of like talking about those two guys is like Brandon Marshall, he still had it for a long time. Alan Robinson, I mean, I assume it was, you know, some of the. The injuries just caught up with him. If. Because his. His career was shorter than it should have been of his.

[Mike Wright]

From a peak.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, his. His years of dominance was. Was short. And that was. That's what I mean, if. If that's your thing that can go away quicker when we're like. If you're like, I'm only. All I can do is be fast. Well, that. You won't hold up to that forever. And you got to be able to do other things. You got to be able to get open. You got to be able to run a good route tree because you'll be helpful to a team for a few years. But if you're trying, if your goal is greatness and long term success, you got to be able to get open fun.

[Mike Wright]

Interesting fact, Kyle pointed out. Just 9% of all wide receiver receptions are contested catches.

[Andy Holloway]

Perfect example of why it's overrated. There's so many things that are talked about a lot. Third down backs, you know, where it's like you don't realize how small a percentage of targets come from the third down. Like, it's talked about way more than it's actually impactful.

[Mike Wright]

All right, that is going to do it. For this new segment. Underrated. Overrated. Would you consider the segment.

[Jason Moore]

I give this show one big underrated show.

[Mike Wright]

Boy, these are. These are really big thumbs, dude.

[Andy Holloway]

You could kill someone with this.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're gonna wrap it up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's high quality.

[Mike Wright]

We've got some. Don't mess around here next week. Got another mock draft episode.

[Jason Moore]

This was the entire year's production.

[Mike Wright]

Big yellow thumbs. Well, they're. I mean, it's good. You can see them from a distance.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. A lot of people think that these were like die cut. These were smithed. These were metal. Yeah. Yes, sir.

[Mike Wright]

You know, metal. All right, mock draft next week. Footballers AMA episode. We're going to have some fun before we get into July, where we're three shows a week, August through the end of the year, five shows a week. Check out the ultimate draft kit@ultimate draft kit.com in the [e-mail] take care.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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