Week 10 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Kupp Kupp Goose

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Week 10 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Kupp Kupp Goose Summary

Release Date: November 11, 2019

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Introduction

Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright welcomed listeners to Week 10 of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast from pristineoption.com studios. Acknowledging Veterans Day, they extended their gratitude to all who have served (00:28-00:45).

Weekly Rewind

The hosts dove into the tumultuous Week 10 of the fantasy football landscape, highlighting unexpected developments and player performances.

Jason Moore opened the discussion with a shout-out to their social media interactions, notably the humorous one-liners submitted by listeners, including playful puns on players like Cooper Kupp and Lamar Jackson (00:45-03:48).

Notable Highlights:

• Matthew Stafford's Injury Ruling: A surprising development as Stafford, known for his durability with over 130 consecutive games, was ruled out due to a back issue. Andy Holloway remarked, “He wanted to play with a broken back… He's a tough guy” (05:02-06:37).

• LaShawn McCoy's Healthy Scratch: Despite being a valuable asset, McCoy was benched by the Chiefs reportedly to keep him fresh, influenced by a fumble by teammate Damian Williams (06:37-08:00).

• Devonta Freeman's Injury: Freeman did not return to the Saints game, raising concerns about his availability (08:00-08:38).

• Joe Mixon's Performance: Mixon amassed 30 carries for 114 yards in a losing effort, earning respect despite the team's struggles (09:17-10:10).

Studs of the Week

The hosts identified standout performers who delivered exceptional fantasy value.

Lamar Jackson (11:18-12:15)

• Jason Moore lauded Jackson's dual-threat capabilities, highlighting his perfect passer rating and remarkable running ability: “Lamar Jack spin… he could get 11 guys” (11:23-12:15).
• Impact: Jackson has the second-most fantasy points through the first 16 games, trailing only Patrick Mahomes.

Christian McCaffrey (12:15-16:14)

• Consistently outperforming peers, McCaffrey is a top-tier running back, with Jason Moore comparing his explosive play style to a “drag racer car” (12:15-16:14).

Aaron Jones vs. Dalvin Cook (16:14-17:13)

• Andy Holloway and Jason Moore debated between Jones and Cook, ultimately recognizing Cook’s superior production: “Dalvin Cook… he was taking over all of those guys” (16:43-17:13).

Derek Henry (15:07-16:14)

• Despite a standout 188-yard game with two touchdowns, Henry's performance was labeled as expected but impressive, with his ability to evade tackles being a key fantasy asset (15:07-15:48).

Stinkers of the Week

Conversely, the hosts pinpointed underperforming players who may harm fantasy lineups.

Mitchell Trubisky & Jared Goff (30:17-32:02)

• Jason Moore criticized Jared Goff’s performance, citing poor completion rates and touchdown ratios, making him a streaming option rather than a reliable starter: “Jared Goff… completely a streaming option” (30:34-32:02).

Drew Brees (32:02-35:13)

• Andy Holloway expressed disappointment over Drew Brees' lackluster game, especially given the strong offensive line: “They couldn't protect Brees… it's like throwing the game in the garbage” (32:02-35:13).

Saquon Barkley (37:16-40:43)

• Saquon Barkley delivered dismal numbers, gaining only 1 yard on 13 carries, marking the lowest performance since Reggie Bush in 2006. Concerns about his health and future performance were raised: “He has questions about his health” (37:16-40:43).

David Johnson (41:12-43:39)

• David Johnson showcased lackluster performance with minimal yardage and a fumble, leading Jason Moore to advise fantasy owners to avoid him until he reestablishes his role: “Hands off of David Johnson for me” (41:12-43:39).

Odell Beckham Jr. (44:46-47:16)

• Despite Odell Beckham Jr.’s potential, his underwhelming 5 receptions for 57 yards on 12 targets labeled him as a "stinker," with the hosts recommending holding onto him but not relying on him for significant points (44:46-47:16).

Kupp Kupp Goose Segment

The playful segment featuring listener-submitted puns continued with discussions on wide receivers like Christian Kirk, emphasizing his breakout performance with three touchdowns on ten targets: “Christian Kirk's wide receiver… he should be” (22:50-24:12).

Player-Specific Discussions

The hosts delved into individual player performances, offering insights and strategic advice for fantasy managers.

• Christian Kirk: Explosive performance with three touchdowns made him a must-start, though concerns about upcoming matchups were noted (22:50-24:12).

• Mark Andrews: Notable for increased target volume and touchdown potential, making him a valuable tight end option (28:10-28:42).

• Kyler Murray: Praised for his dual-threat ability, Murray’s performance and future projections were highlighted as strong positive factors (12:15-14:41).

Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reiterated the importance of strategic player selections based on recent performances and upcoming matchups. They encouraged listeners to engage with their community through social media and hinted at future discussions on waiver wire pickups and strategic adjustments for the remainder of the fantasy season.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore: “Lamar Jack spin… he could get 11 guys” [11:23].
• Andy Holloway: “He wanted to play with a broken back… He's a tough guy” [05:02].
• Jason Moore: “Hands off of David Johnson for me” [41:12].
• Andy Holloway: “They couldn't protect Brees… it's like throwing the game in the garbage” [32:02].

Final Thoughts

Week 10 proved to be a rollercoaster of performances, with standout stars solidifying their fantasy value and underperformers causing headaches for managers. The Fantasy Footballers provided comprehensive analysis, equipping listeners with the insights needed to navigate the complex landscape of fantasy football successfully.

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Transcript

[Cortland Sutton]

Hey, this is Cortland Sutton, wide receiver for the Denver Broncos, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineoption.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. We're happy to be with you this wonderful Monday, November 11th. It's Veterans Day.

[Cortland Sutton]

Hey, what's going on, veterans?

[Jason Moore]

We want to give a shout out to all of you who have served and sacrificed for this country. Thank you. We remember you today, Monday, November 11, 2019. Getting through week 10 here. Andy, Mike and Jason back there was some good, some bad, some ugly, which is ironically our three nicknames. Not gonna say who's who, I call ugly. Well, that made that easy. Not the one I thought we'd be competing for.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I just wanted to get it right out of the way.

[Jason Moore]

Lots of craziness as always, in the fantasy football landscape for week 10. We've got a Monday Night Football game this evening. Very unlikely that George Kittle will be out there tonight, which really does affect my view of the outcome. And I, you know, Seattle's a great team and George Kittle is such an important weapon. So I'm curious to see what Jimmy G like. I moved Jimmy G down in my rankings after this because he's got his. His best weapon missing. But you can follow us on TwitterFFballers Instagram.com fantasy footballers. The fantasy footballers dot com. It's Monday, we hit the social media. We asked you for some one liners from the weekend. Yes, a lot of stories about Cooper Cup's situation. We've got Cup Cup, Goose.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, I like that one.

[Jason Moore]

The obvious one. Pooper Cup, Gooser, Cup. Yes and no Coop for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no Coop for you.

[Jason Moore]

I like it.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, that one's a good one.

[Jason Moore]

Lamar, Jack Spin. Okay. Yeah, that's great. That spin move, Mike, I understand that made the list. Lamarvolous Jackson.

[Andy Holloway]

There we go.

[Cortland Sutton]

That's fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no. Oh, no. Sake. One yard Klee. That's a real stretcheroo.

[Andy Holloway]

I love it.

[Jason Moore]

Saquon Barfly and then Saquon Fartley.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Let's step back into our domain. Ezekiel Smelliot.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, yeah, take that.

[Jason Moore]

Or he's. I can't even say that.

[Cortland Sutton]

Stinkiel.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Stinky Elliot.

[Cortland Sutton]

Okay, Kyler, you aren't as sophisticated as I am.

[Jason Moore]

Not clearly. Kyler Murray. Christian Berserk.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'm down with that.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Gross Icky.

[Andy Holloway]

Gross Icky.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Gase Sucky. Aw, that's too bad. If it's A.J. brown flush, it down. Or you could go A.J. clown, but I think we reserved that for A.B. where's Waller?

[Cortland Sutton]

Fair.

[Jason Moore]

And lastly, Amari. Super.

[Andy Holloway]

He really is the.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, you could talk 11 receptions.

[Jason Moore]

You could talk about Amari Cooper for days. Because the difference, they showed it last night on the broadcast of what Dak Prescott's numbers are across the board as well as the Cowboys record with and without Amari Cooper over the last two years. Like we make the joke. Running backs don't matter sometimes, you know, you move guys in or out. Wide receivers matter.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Goodness gracious. Change. And he hasn't been paid.

[Andy Holloway]

That's because passing matters.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it does. It does. We had a water bet. Mike Juju, top 24. Yeah, you lost. Jalen Ramsey won that one. Did you hear juju talk about. They're like, you know, Jalen Ramsey came out and said he's no Antonio Brown. And then Juju is like, no, I'm not.

[Cortland Sutton]

He's like, did you just say scoreboard?

[Jason Moore]

No, he could have, but he came out and said, hey, I'm. I'm not as good as AB is yet, but I'm working on it. And that Jalen had a good game. But let's get into the rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

Weekly rewind.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Weekly rewind. Brought to you by the sleeper app. We did win in our sleeper league. You darn right we won in league one.

[Andy Holloway]

Are we number one in the sleeper.

[Cortland Sutton]

League one or two?

[Jason Moore]

I think we lost last week. So I think we're like eight and two maybe. Yeah, not bad. Not bad. All right. We had some surprises, big time surprises in the names Matthew Stafford and Lashawn McCoy. Matthew Stafford ruled out. We didn't believe it. This was a situation where Matthew Stafford had played in 130 plus consecutive games and they've talked about his back for two years. So you hear that during the week and you say, okay, what's the maintenance day?

[Cortland Sutton]

It's like Saturday where it's all sudden. Saturday was. Oh, Stafford probably isn't going to play. Wait, hold on.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I know we had heard about it. We talked about it on the show for a minute. But it was, you know, it was like, oh yeah, he popped up on the injury poor with the back issue. But this was not abnormal for Matthew Stafford to be on the injury list with a back issue. But when he was ruled out, very surprising. And surprising because I know he wanted to play.

[Jason Moore]

I think he would have played had he been cleared.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he wanted to play with a broken back and he's a tough guy. It's so funny. The handful of people you know that comes to mind is Matthew Stafford and Frank Gore. Where when they started their career they were such injury prone label guys. They were just oh my gosh, he'd be good except he can't stay on the field. And now they're like as solid as it gets. Ironically, I'm bringing this up while he missed the game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it reminds me of Forte too. Forte started his career, they thought he was banged up in Marvin Jones though. Five for 77, Galladay, three for 57 and a touchdown. So those guys, they were probably stuck in your lineup and you didn't die at the hand of Jeff Driscoll.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, like many have.

[Jason Moore]

Like many have. LaShawn McCoy was a healthy scratch because, quote, the Chiefs wanted to keep him fresh down the stretch.

[Cortland Sutton]

Well, that was a report from. From one person.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And. And that was a report that came after other reports talking about some other reasons that they might be benching him. I don't know. That seemed like a make good.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Damian Williams fumbled now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that is true.

[Jason Moore]

Shawn McCoy had done to kind of get himself out of the good graces. So now what?

[Cortland Sutton]

Well, he. Yes, he did fumble. He had it and it was a, it was a pretty egregious fumble. It was. He tried to cut back and really make something happen that was not there. Ends up giving up the. The defensive score. However, we're now in back to back weeks of 100 plus yards from scrimmage for Damian Williams and he is the best running back on the team.

[Jason Moore]

Well, that might be true, Mike, but that doesn't always matter. It did this game but it's hard. I'm not going to read into snap counts on a game they put Lashan McCoy on the bench either, so. Right. Well, it's A good game. 19 for 77. By far the most carries he's had. 4.1 a carry, 5 receptions start worthy asset every week right now my point.

[Cortland Sutton]

Is if you have two running backs, one is. One looks great, he's crushing it for you and the other one is not doing that. They both have a fumbling problem. You're going to go with the player who's better even though they both have a chance.

[Jason Moore]

I would go with Pat Mahomes and just throw it all. Every play.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All that said they had Pat and they had the better running back and they lost.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was kind of a crazy game. Devonta Freeman did not return to the Saints game. Foot injury MRI today. Edo Smith got put on injured reserve before the Game. Brian Hill will be very popular name.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's a good running back. He's much, much better than Ido Smith. And so I. He's a must pick up to me.

[Jason Moore]

Tyler Boyd needed help off the field late in the game. Ankle injury. A.J. green still out.

[Cortland Sutton]

They're going to reassess it though, right.

[Andy Holloway]

At the end of the year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's a free agent. They're going to reassess. He's not going to be back, I don't think.

[Cortland Sutton]

Brutal.

[Jason Moore]

But if, if Tyler Boyd is out and AJ Green is out and we've got Ryan Finley who looked like down and out by the end. Alex Erickson odd and Tate are the whiteouts.

[Andy Holloway]

And yet Joe Mixon looked outstanding.

[Jason Moore]

What was that? You want to know what it was?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I do.

[Cortland Sutton]

Something you could have done five weeks ago.

[Jason Moore]

Let me tell you what it was. It was 30 rushing attempts. 30 in a game you lost 48 to what, 13? Because they did that nice last few.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Callahan. Bill Callahan says they won.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Bill Callahan.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Based on the rushing attempt.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yep. You win.

[Jason Moore]

What choice do you have though, with Brian Finley? You got to give the ball to Joe Mixon. Two receptions, 30 carries. Third consecutive week. You were happy with him for fantasy. There's a hope. There's hope for you yet. Mixing owners?

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Ty Johnson left the Lions game with a concussion. J.D. mcKissick got 10 carries in that game that led them. Jordan Wilkins ankle injury didn't return. Trey Burton hurt again. Wow. And then we've got Patrick Peterson left with a calf injury in the Bucks game.

[Cortland Sutton]

Wink, wink. What is that he left with? The playing badassitis?

[Jason Moore]

I doubt that. I would think he left with an injury based on. I think he wants to play football. Marshawn Lattimore failed to return for the Saints as well. And then it kind of got lost over the weekend. But the Bears did release Mike Davis and it was based on them getting a compensatory pick. If they released him at that time, whatever the case may be, if someone signs him. And so it is Montgomery. And then you saw increased usage for Cohen. It seemed like in this game you never know what it's going to do. Josh Gordon's a game time decision tonight. George Kittle's doubtful. As far as Josh Gordon goes, is it. I mean, I'm not full hands off tonight.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'm not playing him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Nobody. You can't be starting Josh Gordon. I think the issue is if Josh Gordon is there, what does he do to the other Receivers that you might be starting. Does he impact DK Metcalf? Does he impact Tyler Lockett in any way? But you know, he might not even play.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into the studs.

[Andy Holloway]

This week's fantasy stud muff.

[Jason Moore]

All right, where do you begin? How about Lamar Jackson? Oh, perfect passer rating, man. And then he can run it, too. He can run it pretty well. That run was incredible with the jack spin. Yeah, Lamar Jack spin. He had six defenders that they showed on that play, miss opportunities to tackle.

[Andy Holloway]

That's only because the other five weren't close enough.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Otherwise he would have.

[Andy Holloway]

Otherwise he could. He could. He's the type of player that could get 11 guys.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. The second most fantasy points through the first 16 games to start his career, only behind Mahomes. Jackson has been just a league winner type of player. Mahomes came back, went 36 for 50 for 446 and three, including a jump pass. That was unbelievable.

[Cortland Sutton]

The McColl Hardman touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, McColl. Hardman is a guy that you can start every week, but you're gonna.

[Cortland Sutton]

You're gonna hate if Mahomes is there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. And you only get, what, two. Two passes. Two. Two chances every game.

[Jason Moore]

McCall Hardman reminds me of the drag racer cars. You know, the ones that you sit at the end and you press a button and then they go 5 million miles an hour. He just looks like he pushes a button and takes off. Daniel Jones, four touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

He's had some great streaming games.

[Jason Moore]

Kyler Murray. Jason, big game.

[Andy Holloway]

There we go. Look. Kyler Murray. I mean, you know, you would hope that when you face a team like Tampa that is very beatable against the past, that he could step up and prove worthy of that. And he did, which is a good sign for future matchups. Streaming plays, confidence. And it was nice because he had Christian Kirkback, who obviously we'll talk about when we get to wide receivers, because he was awesome. And it was nice to see Andy Isabella out there as well. The second round rookie who has lightning speed. He caught a couple of balls and every time he caught the ball, it was like, oh, I can get an extra 1012 yards here because I'm faster than you. You ever seen Patrick Mahomes and his receivers is helpful.

[Jason Moore]

Speed is nice. Yeah. Kyler Murray also on pace for 4,000 passing yards, 561 rushing yards. The comp before the season was Cam. Cam came out in his rookie year, threw for 4,000 yards. So we hope to see from Kyler. I believe he's depending on your Scoring system like the number five. And so he's given you a great year. Dak Prescott last night, three touchdowns. 397. He's a QB4 on the season. Josh Allen ended up. Well, he had a pretty good game.

[Cortland Sutton]

Pretty good. Excellent. Look, Josh, come on, buddy. Let's run the ball. That's. This is what we drafted you to do. Please, please run the ball.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they. They got it. That was an interesting game.

[Cortland Sutton]

Wait. That was his highest passing yards also.

[Jason Moore]

Hold on.

[Cortland Sutton]

That's our little note.

[Jason Moore]

They lost.

[Cortland Sutton]

Josh Allen had his highest passing yards output of the 266.

[Jason Moore]

This has been the Josh Allen you've had, though. I mean, we brought that out. He's a 200 yard passer right now.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Not running for as many yards as he did last season probably because he's got some more weapons and the defense is good. But you're basically in a situation where he's probably going to get you 20 points a week minimum.

[Andy Holloway]

He certainly hasn't been hurting you. That's five straight games with two touchdowns every single week. So. Yeah. And you know his upcoming schedule. You could keep playing him, Miami, at least this coming week for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right. Anybody else you want to talk about at quarterback studs? We got some running backs. Derek Henry. 188 yards, two touchdowns. He's a running back. Five on the season. Is this what you expected from Derek Henry?

[Cortland Sutton]

No, not. I did not. And he had the huge breakaway run. I think they clocked him at. He came in over 20 miles an hour on that run. So that just magnificent beast of a man, he's running 20 miles an hour.

[Jason Moore]

Like a bison in the open plains.

[Cortland Sutton]

That is a business decision of.

[Andy Holloway]

You gonna tackle that, dude?

[Cortland Sutton]

No, no, bro. I want to live.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, think about getting hit by a car at 20 miles an hour. Okay. If a car is going 20 miles an hour and you get hit, you're. You're going. You're going to the hospital for the problems. And he.

[Cortland Sutton]

But it's not just hitting. And now the factor in like you're actually trying to hit the car.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. I'm going to tackle this car.

[Jason Moore]

According to ESPN Stats and Info, Derrick Henry has scored six touchdowns of 60 yards or more in the last three seasons, which is two times as many as any other running back. Dalvin Cook doing Dalvin Cook things. 26 for 97 and one another 7 for 86 through the air. He's just a great player.

[Andy Holloway]

He is.

[Jason Moore]

Every play he looks special.

[Andy Holloway]

He is. He is awesome. And if you Were to start a fantasy season today and do a startup draft, he would be in that top tier. I mean, you'd be talking CMC Dalvin Cook. Who would you rather have right now when you talk about Ezekiel Elliott or Dalvin Cook? And I would throw Saquon into that conversation. Those three guys at this point.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, it would be McCaffrey and I think Cook would be number two.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So good for you. Cook.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Jones.

[Cortland Sutton]

Why you say Dalvin does Dalvin things Aaron Jones did Aaron Jones things. Which has touched the ball 13 times but end up with three rushing touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, a little Jamal Charles esque sometimes.

[Cortland Sutton]

If you look at the split, it was basically dead even when it came to snaps touches between Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. But Aaron Jones ended up with three rushing touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaking news.

[Jason Moore]

All right, this is not going to land well for those of you.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh no.

[Jason Moore]

With Austin Hooper as your tight end. He is getting an MRI on a knee injury suffered Sunday. Expected to miss some time. The MRI will tell you how much Austin Hooper owners are now going to be in tight end flux for a little while.

[Andy Holloway]

That sucks to lose a tight end this late in the game. The waiver wires are bare and he.

[Jason Moore]

Was the number one tight end of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

If you, you know, at this point, over the rest of the season, if you lose, I mean, I guess we've got two of them, right? Kittle, you lost, right? You got no options out there. Hooper. Stay safe. Kelsey.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, seriously. Christian McCaffrey, great game. Melvin Gordon Thursday night, we know that he had a great game. How about Ronald Jones? Ronald Jones, there's some good, some bad in this game. 11 for 29 on the ground is not great, but he scored and then eight for 77 on eight targets.

[Cortland Sutton]

That's the bigger.

[Jason Moore]

Did you call his USC coach and let him know he's matured?

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I mean, if you watch the game, he looks awkward catching every single one, bobbling them, corralling them. But I don't care. So does Leonard Fournette. Leonard Fournette is not a smooth receiver, but if he's getting five, six targets a game, great for fantasy. And yeah, Ronald Jones is a guy that needs to be in your lineup going forward.

[Jason Moore]

I have to read this. John Degel posted this. In high school, he had seven catches. Final year at USC, 14 catches his rookie season, seven catches prior to week 10, eight total catches on the year Sunday, eight catches. Yeah, so they used him.

[Andy Holloway]

We all saw it coming.

[Jason Moore]

And Barber had some good plays in this game too.

[Cortland Sutton]

So I will say the eight receptions is probably the outlier here moving forward. He is definitely startable but gets the Saints next week. That's really exciting. Exciting as Arizona.

[Jason Moore]

If you told me that this was the new standard for Ronald Jones, I would question you as an analyst based on his entire life.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'm just saying.

[Jason Moore]

So I agree with you. It has to be considered an outlier.

[Cortland Sutton]

Before we get too excited about Ronald Jones of like, oh, Ronald Jones is an every week RB2. I'm just pumping the brakes there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I will, I will say it will be, you know, you can start Ronald Jones going forward, but this specific week against the Saints is going to give you pause.

[Jason Moore]

We'll give Joe Mixon the honorable mention here in the stud muffins 30 for 114. I still, I respect Joe Mixon for how hard he plays while losing. It's not an easy thing to do. And when you watch them, they're the worst team in football. And I feel like carry 27 for Joe Mixon has the same level of juice as Kerry won. So I'll give him credit there.

[Cortland Sutton]

And now we are learning that Giovanni Bernard has suffered a sprained neat.

[Jason Moore]

Well, there you go. So two more carries coming. All right, we got wide receiver stud muffins momentarily. Before we get into that, we want to thank Harry's for sponsoring today's episode. Look, humans have been shaving for thousands of years, but the secret to a great shave, it really hasn't changed that much. That's why Harry's does not overcharge you to add gimmicky features to their razors. And I can speak from experience when I say they're just high quality great razors that lead to a high quality great shave. A close shave. It's an easy shave. It's everything you want. And they return you to the essential, which is quality, durable blades at a fair price. Less than just two bucks a blade. Cut out the middleman. High quality blades at factory direct prices. And the best part is they give there's no risk in trying them out. If you don't love the shave, they just give you a refund so you can try it out yourself. Listeners of the show can redeem their Harry's trial [e-mail] footballer. You'll get a weighted ergonomic handle for a firm grip 5 blade razor with a lubricating strip and trimmer blade, rich lathering shave gel with aloe to keep your skin hydrated and a travel blade cover to keep your razor dry and easy to grab on the go go to Harry's.com footballer to start shaving better today.

[Cortland Sutton]

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[Jason Moore]

All right, wide receiver studs. What a game for Christian Kirk. 6 for 1, 38 and 3 on 10 targets. This is outstanding. The rapport between Kyler and Kirk is there.

[Cortland Sutton]

There was a great rapport also with Kirk and the Tampa Bay secondary.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, they really built a spot. They had an understanding, they built a relationship. But Kirk kept them at arm's length.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And ultimately three touchdowns on 10 targets. The first game back, you could see this was Christian Kirk as the one on this team and everybody else. And then this game. A real breakout performance. Three touchdowns, rest of season. This is Christian Kirk's wide receiver too, is he not?

[Cortland Sutton]

He should be. The matchups are not, they are not great for Christian Kirk. We got another matchup against San Francisco. Bye week, the Rams. It's just, it's, it's tough sledding, but I think that Kirk is a low end.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's awesome to see him break out. But I was going to ask the question, does that mean you definitely start him next week? I mean, last week against San Francisco, he was two for eight. Yeah. Next week.

[Cortland Sutton]

And that was at home.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, it's it's going to be, you know, hard to start him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And then the bye week after that. I mean, it's all about the options that you have on your roster and whether you want to pivot or whether you want to believe that he can build on this. The nice thing about Kyler, and you saw it repeatedly in this game, is he can escape the pocket, which extends the play. And you ask the best cornerbacks in football whether they can defend somebody through a. You know, when the quarterback's running around for 5, 6, 7 seconds, you can't if.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I think Christian Kirk is for real. I mean, he was one of your. My guys, and he's obviously going to be a solid wide receiver. But if your trade deadline hasn't passed, would you be willing to trade high on Christian Kirk, knowing the next three weeks.

[Cortland Sutton]

Sell him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Sell ho.

[Jason Moore]

I'd be fine doing that. Yeah, Absolutely. Like you said, San Francisco, then the bye week, which you're not going to be able to play them then. And then Ramsey and then Ramsey and then Pittsburgh and then, you know, it's not going to be easy. Darius Slayton.

[Cortland Sutton]

Slayton.

[Andy Holloway]

14 targets. What?

[Cortland Sutton]

We were mentioning this guy in passing when we were breaking down the matchups for the Giants. The matchup was plus against the jets. You want players going against that team. And then you had Ingram out, you had Shepard out, and it was okay. Golden Tate is going to be great, which Golden Tay was a beast, and it was okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Cortland Sutton]

You could play Slayton. He's. He's very. He's interesting. He hasn't really been a target machine, kind of a two receptions a game type of player, but 10 for 121 and 2. What?

[Jason Moore]

I love it when this. Excuse me. I love it when this happens for young players because it makes you. You know, it's not just. Maybe this is not just an outlier type of performance. The rapport he's building with Daniel Jones, opportunities for him in Dynasty and moving forward. This was a breakout game, plain and simple. 10 for 1, 21 and 2. The thought was you could play him, but he's got a score on his three catches. Not his 10 catches. He only had five catches the previous three weeks. Explosive game. Great game. Daniel Jones was great in this one. And, you know, Slayton's interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

We actually played against him in one of the leagues where we share a team.

[Cortland Sutton]

Preposterous.

[Andy Holloway]

Our opponent picked up and played Slayton.

[Jason Moore]

It doesn't feel good.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it does.

[Jason Moore]

Amari Cooper. Tyree. Kill. Tyreek Hill. Since Returning from the injury. Wide receiver. 3 4, 27. 4 3.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So 11 for 157 and 1 19. There was a part. There was a part of this game where. And you got to understand tilting Jason is a Jason that really. It's kind of like a biohazard. You need to get away from it. It's Chernobyl and there's some sort of. There's radioactivity the closer you get. But you can still get sick from a distance. There was a part of this game where Jason saw Tyree Kill go down and it looked like he may have re injured the same shoulder problem.

[Cortland Sutton]

Which to be fair to Jason Tyreek Hill. We had been.

[Jason Moore]

He was writhing.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes. This was his. If you don't remember a situation in his shoulder, it was okay, if you go out there and play and you re injure this, you are going to have actual medical problems. That's why he was held off of the field for so long. He goes down, starts writhing in agony, grabs his shoulder.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like the same, the same looking injury came right down on that shoulder, that clavicle.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And then the. The reactor began to leak for Jason and we were all feeling it and then all of a sudden he runs back out on the field and he's the same Tyree Kill. So that's good news. Amari Cooper, dominant. Absolutely. Stellar performance for him. He makes such a difference.

[Cortland Sutton]

Keep those targets up.

[Jason Moore]

It's tough to hit that because it reminds me of Cooper Cup. All right. Golden Tate, four for 95 and two on eight targets. Michael Thomas, a great game as well. Welcome back. Mark Andrews.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey.

[Jason Moore]

Mark Andrews had a huge game. 6 for 53 and 2 on 8 targets. It was nice to see he's been targeted 7 plus times in 8 of 9 games.

[Cortland Sutton]

He likes to play Cincinnati.

[Jason Moore]

What did he do the first time against Cincinnati?

[Cortland Sutton]

Six for 99 and no touchdowns. Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. And then he scored twice in this one.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle Rudolph, one of the better catches of the year.

[Cortland Sutton]

That catch was incredible. The one hander.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, because he never touched it with the other hand and secured it with one hand to his body. Toe tap.

[Andy Holloway]

I want mitts that size.

[Cortland Sutton]

That would be nice.

[Andy Holloway]

I know how big the real NFL football is to just. Just grab it like a baseball.

[Jason Moore]

I was gonna say, I imagine you out there with a right handed and left handed baseball glove. Just grabbing.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that allowed? Can I wear these?

[Jason Moore]

You can try. I would love to see you.

[Cortland Sutton]

I was. I've been told gloves are okay.

[Jason Moore]

I believe the walrus would use a couple of Those, but Yeah, Kyle Rudolph, 4 for 14 and two so touchdowns aplenty. Travis Kelsey, a nice game. Greg Olson, 8 for 98 on 10 targets. Perfect game script in this one. I mean, opportunity drive after drive to come back. Olson was a go to player, somebody you could rely on in the middle of the snow, which.

[Cortland Sutton]

And then I think you can roll with him next week against Atlanta.

[Jason Moore]

And then, my goodness, if you wanted to see the reactor going wild in the first half of this game, O.J. howard. Oh, 4 for 47 and a touchdown on seven targets. Jason did not melt into a goo.

[Andy Holloway]

I was very happy about that. Played him, started him. It kind of. It washed out the David Johnson thing because we're about to get to the stinkers of the week and David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Probably didn't wash it out for those who played David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it didn't. But for myself it was. It was nice. I took two risks and one of them paid off and one of them was risky.

[Jason Moore]

One of them did not.

[Andy Holloway]

Stinkers of the Week presented by Odor Eaters.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into the quarterback stinkers. Let's start with Mitchell Trubisky with makeup. Jared Garf. Jared Garf, 22 for 41 for 243. Two picks, one fumble, no touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Yuck.

[Jason Moore]

Mike was smart to pick Pittsburgh in our weekly office pool on the basis of Jared Garf being atrocious on the road. 58% completion percentage, 6 to 6, touchdown to interception ratio, 6.66 yards per attempt.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. Mark of the beast.

[Jason Moore]

Before you get mad at me about my comparison, let's be clear. Over the last 17 games played, Mitchell Trubisky has four more touchdowns than Jared Garf does.

[Andy Holloway]

That's because he had a 6 touch MK.

[Jason Moore]

No, I would say the other 17, 16 games matter too. That's a very big indictment on Jared Goff. And when I started tweeting about the Rams, the Rams fans were quick to remind me it wasn't. It's not just this year. It was the back half of last year too. Yeah, this was. This was not something that just suddenly came out of the blue. They do not look the same. They do not feel the same. For fantasy owners of whether you're Cooper cup this week, Robert woods, most of the season he had a fine game. This game in PPR leagues for sure. And I will say Goff is on.

[Cortland Sutton]

Pace to throw for over 4,600 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not. He's not bad, but he's completely a streaming option. He's not a Guy who can play week in and week out. Next week he's at home. But it's Chicago. I'm not playing him against Chicago. We saw how he did against Chicago last year. No, thank you. But the two weeks after that, Baltimore and Arizona.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'll play him against Arizona, not Baltimore at home.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's going to be a high scoring game. I'll play him against Baltimore at home.

[Cortland Sutton]

I think Baltimore is improving on their defensive side.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to poop all over Jared Goff in general. I'm just talking about the Rams in general. And really, you know, any player in today's NFL's passing game has stream worthy consideration. Every single player based on matchups. There's no question that a guy can go out there and have a great game. I'm just kind of disappointed we don't see this well oiled machine. I mean, it hurts Gurley owners, hurts everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

And this was coming off a buy where usually McVeigh has a history of any time that he has had extra time to prepare. They come out on fire.

[Cortland Sutton]

The and while we can be upset with golf, Drew Brees, this, this one hurt really real bad against Atlanta at home. Coming off of the buy, he was.

[Jason Moore]

My number one quarterback.

[Cortland Sutton]

32 for 45 for 287 yards. And that is the end of the fantasy stat line.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, no. How many touchdowns I was at the end? Zero.

[Cortland Sutton]

Zero touch. That was brutal, man. And you kept thinking that one hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

This was a perfect game script for him. Atlanta comes out, jumps off to a lead and you just assume, okay, it's.

[Jason Moore]

Drew, they'll get it back and it's at home.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, they had like, I feel like four or five drives.

[Cortland Sutton]

Camara's back, Jared Cook is back, they're ready to rumble.

[Andy Holloway]

And it just never happened. And they couldn't protect Breeze. All of a sudden, the Atlanta Falcons, who have no pass rush whatsoever, were dominating the awesome offensive line of the Saints. Is this just a throw the game in the garbage?

[Cortland Sutton]

I choose to believe that, yes.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's a game that will save Dan Quinn for a little while. Six sacks. Six sacks is the most sacks that Brees has suffered since 2013.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it made no sense if you were going to tell me.

[Jason Moore]

Remember how close I was to call in this game?

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes, you were.

[Jason Moore]

That Atlanta would win this one. And then once I realized it was in New Orleans, I couldn't do it. But something just felt like the Falcons would divisionally challenge them. I don't know how it happened. Like you said, I think Alvin Camara had plenty of Monday pund days in there because people were disappointed in single digit fantasy. Just ridiculous. And then Aaron Rodgers back to back weeks now 17 for 29, 233. End of sentence.

[Cortland Sutton]

So for Aaron Rodgers though, while like the Drew Brees one hurt and that's the Aaron Rodgers fantasy output certainly hurt you but he played very well. He just happened to have.

[Andy Holloway]

There were three Aaron Rodgers.

[Cortland Sutton]

He just happened to get robbed by three Aaron Jones rushing touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean 233 yards is nothing to be excited about. It was.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'm just talking about the actual Play.

[Andy Holloway]

What.

[Cortland Sutton]

But 233 yards on 17 completions compared to 287 on 32 completions for breeze.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Is this the floor for Aaron Rodgers if the running game is working, yes. My concern for Rogers is we spent the whole day talking about these studs, you know, Tyreek Hill, Speed McColl, Hardman. You know, you saw what Christian Kirkspeed did. No disrespect intended for the Lazard King or for, you know. Well, some disrespect intended for Jimmy Graham. But when the majority of these targets and downfield targets are going to Lazard and Jimmy Graham and Patrick Mahomes gets to throw to McColl, Hardman and Tyree Kill, you do cap your upside for Aaron Rodgers for the big play type of situation. MBS has been the only one that kind of gives him those plays, but it's literally like a shot a game. So that's. I don't understand this and maybe you guys can explain it to me, but how do you not equip Aaron Rodgers in the off season? And I don't mean with a rookie because I don't think that's the way to go. Rogers has got too many grimaces for a rookie. You need to bring in a veteran player. A.J. green. How is he not going to be a. I mean, put somebody on the team that Rogers can go to work with over this next three or four years. I don't.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I don't get it. I agree. They need speed. They need veteran speed on the outside. I think that that's what would help. I don't think they need AJ Green specifically because I would go after a player that could give you the next three good years and isn't DU in.

[Cortland Sutton]

Calling his shots.

[Jason Moore]

It's not worthy of an argument because he's hurt right now. So if he does well, then you'll be wrong. And if he stays Hurt. I'll be wrong. Brian Hoyer is real bad. 18 for 39, three interceptions, trash game, ugly throws. Yeah, you were disappointed.

[Andy Holloway]

Get healthy, Brazette.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, quickly. All right, running back stinkers. We unbelievable stat line. 13 carries.

[Andy Holloway]

13 carries. Wait, wait, wait. I want everybody out there that doesn't know. How many yards did SAQUON get on 13 opportunities to get yards.

[Jason Moore]

One he got yard, one yard, 13 he gained yard.

[Andy Holloway]

So that means it was a little less. Just a little less than an inch per carry.

[Jason Moore]

I have to give a shout out to FF today on Twitter that posted a picture of a yardstick and said Saquon Barkley ran this far on 13 carries. It is the fewest rushing yards banding non quarterback with 10 plus carries since Reggie Bush had negative five yards on 11 carries in week nine of 2006. He has 29 rushing yards in the last two weeks. He is. There are questions about his health.

[Cortland Sutton]

He did go for an X ray after the game.

[Jason Moore]

He was matched up against the New York Jets. Guys.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, this was rough.

[Jason Moore]

Zeke 20 for 47. I didn't think he looked good against Minnesota. I don't know if he's trying to do too much against that defensive front. Minnesota deserves credit, but Zeke was consistently cutting back into the defensive line in ways that were peculiar to me. And only two catches for Zeke. Are you panicking about the output for Zeke?

[Andy Holloway]

He has been. It's weird because right now he's, you know, before this week he was the running back six on the year, which is. That sounds great, but you feel like he's almost been a bust this year.

[Cortland Sutton]

The last three games he's been over 100 yards and he's scored in two of the past three before this.

[Andy Holloway]

This week sucks.

[Cortland Sutton]

But he was, he was getting on.

[Andy Holloway]

The right track whole season. I mean. Right. He has three games where he has finished as a top 12 running back on the season last year, the year before. The year before was every single week he would have maybe, maybe three games and usually it was like one game through the course of a season where he wasn't a top 12 back. But most of this year, running back 15, 14, 19 run.

[Cortland Sutton]

The past three weeks before this game against Minnesota, what were his three finishes?

[Andy Holloway]

17, 4 and 6. So he had two top 10 finishes in that stretch. But look at the whole season. I mean, you can't really say he's getting on the right track when last week he was 17 and then this week he was worse. That's not the right track.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean he's not catching as many passes, he's not scoring as many touchdowns. He's certainly being utilized heavily. And most weeks you're going to be able to lean on him for, you know, an rb, a consistent double digit game. But it has been a disappointing year for him. If you drafted him to be, you know, a number one guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Christian McCaffrey, you know, a Z, I.

[Jason Moore]

Mean, he was taking over Christian McCaffrey in a lot of leagues. He was taking over Dalvin Cook, he was taking over all of those guys.

[Andy Holloway]

When the suspension, you know, if I was often saying through draft season, if we knew for sure that he was not holding out and was going to be playing, he would have been my number one. And right now, don't get me wrong, it's not like he's been bad. He's pace for 1400 rushing yards. That's great. He's a very good running back, but only 341 receiving yards. And you know, the touchdowns haven't really been coming. So I'm just saying he's been disappointing. Based on what you hoped you wanted a guy who's going to come in here and win a bunch of matchups for you. He just hasn't done that.

[Cortland Sutton]

I just think this conversation is very interesting coming off the heels of talking about Barkley, and Barkley's extremely disappointing, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and that's why.

[Jason Moore]

But he's. He's also been hurt and may still be hurt. So you have kind of a.

[Andy Holloway]

You have an out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, if Barkley was giving you these games week in and week out, you'd be kind of. You wouldn't be angry, but you'd be like, well, that's not what I signed up for. That's all we're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. 14 for 20.

[Jason Moore]

How many multi touchdown games does Zeke have this year?

[Cortland Sutton]

Multi touchdown games? None.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Zero. So he's not winning you. He has never won you a week with a performance and that you've seen a lot of different things from Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Just so you know, the last two games, the pace for Saquon would have 232 yards on the season.

[Jason Moore]

That's not fair.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not fair on 216 carries. So it's just funny.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Speaking of not funny.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yuck.

[Jason Moore]

Five carries.

[Andy Holloway]

I apologize.

[Jason Moore]

Two yards, one catch. Eight yards and a fumble. 45% of snaps. A fumble.

[Andy Holloway]

He got benched.

[Jason Moore]

He got benched for his Play. Kenyan Drake. 16 touches, 63% of snaps. Looked much better. Didn't look great.

[Andy Holloway]

There was a play. We had to, you know, rewind and watch the replay because it was, it was comical how slow and low effort it looked. David Johnson gets a handoff. I know he's, you know, waiting for the offensive line to do things, but he just, he just looked bad. And you know, we keep. My whole rationale for why I thought he was going to have a good game was we heard there was going to be a lot of two back sets and there was and there were, but they weren't using David Johnson in the passing game the way that we had hoped. I had that head to head matchup, you know, with Smiz and my team was great. I had Marquis Brown, Devonte Adams, Parker, O.J. howard, Travis Kelsey. But my running backs were David Johnson and Saquon Barkley.

[Jason Moore]

Did you win?

[Andy Holloway]

I lost.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. You have to be hands off of David Johnson for me. I wasn't willing to play him until he reestablished himself in the offense. That's my policy going forward. Reestablish then. I'll look your direction. If you played him two of the last three games he's been active for, you wanted to call your eyes out. David Montgomery and Devin Singletary. Two disappointing performances. The Bears had released Mike Davis. The matchup was against the 32nd best Detroit Lion. Run D. He only managed 60 yards.

[Cortland Sutton]

They were up against the team with the worst run defense and a backup quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, and they did win, so there's that.

[Cortland Sutton]

They did win.

[Jason Moore]

And then Devin Singletary was disappointing. Only 11 total touches. He had seven targets, but only caught three of them for eight yards. And Frank Gore continues to get the goal line. So they have Miami next week, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to stick with starting Devin Singleton.

[Cortland Sutton]

As will I.

[Jason Moore]

And then Jalen Samuels.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah, and now Connor's going to be back. So Samuels.

[Jason Moore]

Don't say that for sure. Don't say it definitively.

[Cortland Sutton]

It's already being reported.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it can be reported. But you thought it last week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was reported that he was going to play this week for a minute.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'm the source. Mike Wright reporting. James Conner will play on Thursday night.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Latavius Murray, 5 for 12, 2 for 7. There was talk of more of a timeshare. This game certainly was not conducive for any sort of running success. In fact, the only reason Alvin Camara had any success was. Was garbage time dump off passes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you would. He. He belongs completely in the stinkers of the week. He was so terrible until the garbage time dump off passes at the End of the game. But I mean, what can you say? Camara and Latavius Murray had to go up against that awesome Atlanta front.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, that was my natural reaction. We know some. Here's some stinkers at wide out. Get your reaction, guys. Cooper Cup. What do you do with Cooper cup goosing on four targets?

[Cortland Sutton]

You take the pinch on the butt and you move on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's Cooper Cup. You play him at home against Chicago.

[Jason Moore]

That's a hard pinch.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a hard. That's a bruise pinch. It is. That's one of those where you go skiing. Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Ouch.

[Andy Holloway]

The snake bite. That's what we call those back in grade school.

[Cortland Sutton]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the. The thumb goes under the index finger.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's a bad pinch on the booty. Well, I didn't get them on the booty then, but this one was on the booty.

[Jason Moore]

Odell Beckham, 5 for 57 on 12 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this is a pretty good game for him. They.

[Cortland Sutton]

They tried to make it happen. Or Baker tried to make it happen.

[Jason Moore]

12 targets is. That's a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

He got the. That early game, deep target look. Baker's not a good quarterback this year. He is not a good quarterback. Last year's great quarterback. We'll find out what the truth is as they develop the offensive line over the next few years. But Odell Beckham has just been.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, there seems to be a disconnect.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Because he doesn't seem to have the same problem throwing a Jarvis land. No.

[Jason Moore]

Landry, wide receiver 7 this week, wide receiver 18 last week. Landry's averaging 11 targets a game. Definitely feels forced. I think that's part of it. I think part of it is let's keep Odell Beckham happy by manufacturing targets. That might not be the best thing for our offense, but simply add to the stat line. That's how it feels. Doesn't feel like an organic situation. Has a really difficult matchup on Thursday against Pittsburgh.

[Cortland Sutton]

There was a pretty big disconnect between Baker and Jarvis last year. I'm not saying full like this is the narrative. Next year. Odell Beckham is going to be great, but do remember that Jarvis had a whole bunch of targets last year and he was pretty close to useless for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

But what do you do this year? Because every week every single player that owns Odell Beckham has been starting him. And I mean, this week he was wide receiver 35 so far. Maybe he'll drop to 40 if there's a couple good wide receivers tonight.

[Jason Moore]

You know, when you're throwing a party and you have to awkwardly invite somebody that you don't necessarily want at the party.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And then you just kind of hope that they, like, might hang out in the other room. That's the Odell Beckham that you're. You asked for what for this year? You can't trade him before the trade deadline.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

He's worth nothing of what you want for him. Because you could trade him, but you could trade him for Darius Slayton or you could trade him for. For somebody that you know is middling and not what you want for the value. So he's at the party, he's in the room. Don't look his direction for a victory and just deal with it. That's what I think.

[Cortland Sutton]

Well, what.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Cortland Sutton]

What you have to do is just hold on because two of the next three weeks, you have a matchup against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but then those first two weeks of the fantasy playoffs, you get the Bengals, you get the Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

And it would be very surprising for him to fail in those games.

[Andy Holloway]

It'll also be very surprising for Odell Beckham owners to be in the playoffs. Oh, I mean, that's you. Because you are putting a bad product in your lineup on a weekly basis.

[Jason Moore]

All right, what about this guy, though? And for the rest of the wide receiver stinkers, I want you guys to tell me if you're worried or where you've adjusted expectations. But Juju, just three for 44, six targets. He's got five games outside the top 40 this year. Has Cleveland on Thursday, then Cincinnati and Cleveland again. Juju played third fiddle in this game. Deontay Johnson looked good.

[Cortland Sutton]

James Washington.

[Jason Moore]

James Washington had a big game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I feel like I adjusted my expectations on juju really early in the season when. When they went to Mason Rudolph and then we saw Devlin Hodges for a minute, juju became a guy that I think is a fine start on a usual basis and a bad start on certain matchups. This was a week where, you know, I was not in on that top 24 waterbed. I didn't expect him to be in the top 24 this week. It was a, you know, you worried about Jalen Ramsey and how much that's going to do. You look at the schedule coming up. Cleveland, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Arizona. I think juju is going to be absolutely fine in those matchups. He's still a playmaker. He's a game breaker. He's going to be absolutely fine in good matchups.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Are you worried about Stefan Diggs? Three for 49, six targets? No. Thielen maybe needs Thielen. Six games outside the top 40 this year.

[Cortland Sutton]

Worried as in, like he won't have any more big games? No, but he's just. He's a. He's a liability. Yeah, that's exactly. He's a boom bus player.

[Jason Moore]

Kind of thought he should have caught that slant touchdown. They hit him in the hands. It was a tough catch, but I expect to come down.

[Cortland Sutton]

I'm recalling what you were talking about. Yes, he should have caught that ball.

[Andy Holloway]

And you get Denver and a bye week coming up. So that's, you know, Chris Harris Jr. Right. And then a bye week. Not the best for Diggs.

[Jason Moore]

Calvin Ridley.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm all about. Look, I would buy Calvin Ridley cheap if Austin Hooper is down for a couple of weeks off of a bad game for Ridley. I mean, I think Ridley has a fine rest of season.

[Jason Moore]

Sammy Watkins needs to be on your bench.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

He's. He's been worthy of starting in game one of the season. And that's it. That's literally it. Five for 39. Doesn't look like he's going to do it at this point. A.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Brown, huge disappointment, but nine targets, Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Nine targets from Patrick Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

Lizard targets. All right. A.J. brown, one catch. My Williams, two catches. Zach Pascal, two catches.

[Cortland Sutton]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Brian Hoyer problems. Darren Waller, Jonu Smith, Chris Herndon. Herndon. Just one catch on his welcome back week. I'd be more. I'd look his way moving forward. We're talking about losing Austin Hooper and things like that. If Herndon's been let go. I was not going to play him until he played a game and we saw snap counts and we saw opportunities. Now apparently he missed some blitz pickups, got taken off the field. It's. I mean, it's risky business, but we're talking tight ends. And then Jonah Smith, 4 for 30. Not a great game on a game where Tannehill look good. Darren Waller, 3 for 40. The Hawks strap with Jeff Driscoll was 3 for 47 on six targets.

[Cortland Sutton]

I've got a plan. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Not a great game. No. Stafford, not to throw it to you. You stink. You dropped it. But hot man, the Hawk strap. It was okay. I mean, 3 for 47 with Driscoll was okay, but he just.

[Cortland Sutton]

Him.

[Jason Moore]

I was just excited to have Stafford in that game.

[Cortland Sutton]

Him and Sammy Watkins, they have so they.

[Andy Holloway]

I was. I was looking this up. So Sammy Watkins, right now, going into this week, he's the wide receiver, 29 on the year. Still. He's in the 20s.

[Cortland Sutton]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

So I was like, what about let's take week one out since week two and on he is the wide receiver. 66.

[Jason Moore]

66 you say, huh?

[Andy Holloway]

Just ahead of Alex Erickson.

[Jason Moore]

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[Cortland Sutton]

They need. Do they make.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Andy Reid, do you have any comments on Sammy Watkins performance in the game?

[Cortland Sutton]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Cortland Sutton]

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[Cortland Sutton]

Absolutely. Hope you close out that victory today, Bookland. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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