Week 12 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Ultimate Backfire - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/21

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Week 12 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Ultimate Backfire

Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore (with Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright absent, but contributing remotely)

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Episode Overview

This episode previews all the critical Week 12 fantasy football matchups, dives into lineup choices, injury news, and the ever-entertaining “Wheel of Shame.” The hosts provide analysis rooted in recent NFL action, noted player trends, and plenty of their signature banter, with notable digressions into real-life league shenanigans and an extended, impassioned Arizona Cardinals QB discussion. The episode also features the “Fantasy Face Off” segment, where hosts and producers battle in Prize Picks prop challenges (with a hilarious, costume-based loser punishment).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Night Football Recap

• Last night’s game (Bills vs. Texans) dissected:
  • Buffalo's late-game drama after converting a 4th & 27, but ultimately falling short due to relentless defensive pressure (“When you can rush four and sack the quarterback every other play... it's a cheat code.” — Andy, 02:21).
  • Khalil Shakir’s breakout (8/110) outscoring Josh Allen in fantasy formats.
  • Concerns about Buffalo’s depth after Shakir, with Ty Johnson (!) as the #2 pass-catcher.
  • Texans’ defense shines; Woody Marks solid for Houston.
  • Fantasy impact: Owners of Josh Allen, James Cook (big day, 17/116/1), and the Houston D/ST were heavily impacted.

2. Fantasy League Trades & Joe Burrow’s Return

• Joe Burrow is trending toward playing; sportsbooks started listing props.
• Mike’s “Burrow bomb” trade locks in the Chase/Burrow stack — seen as a title-winning move.
  • “He gave a tip a year or two ago: don't rest on your laurels. If your team is doing well, don’t rest. And he didn't.” — Andy (09:10).
• The implications of trade deadlines and last-minute deals; balancing strengths and weaknesses in redraft leagues.

3. News & Notes (09:49–11:51)

• Multiple players returning to limited practice: Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Warren, Ramondre Stevenson, Darius Slayton, Josh Jacobs, Bucky Irving.
• The importance of Sunday Live for late-breaking actives/inactives.
• Daniel Jones (calf) — no real reason for alarm.

4. Matchup Previews

Jets @ Ravens

• Ravens favored by 13.5; Jets implied for only 15.5 points.
• Jets’ switch to Tyrod Taylor at QB may represent a minor upgrade, but Breece Hall is a volume-dependent, low-ceiling play against a surging Ravens run D.
• “You’re not looking at this like, ‘Breece Hall, start of the week.’” — Andy (13:31)
• On the Ravens: Lamar leads the NFL in TD rate but has lacked yardage lately; likely a ground-focused win with Derrick Henry in “Yeti Season”.
• Zay Flowers labeled “boom/bust” and not a must-start. Mark Andrews = “touchdown or bust,” with Loveland offering a safer floor.

Dome Zone: Five Consecutive Indoor Games

Browns @ Raiders

• "I don't really want to break the matchup down beyond the fantasy stuff. It'll gross me out." — Jason (17:43)
• Both offenses anemic; fantasy picks limited to Brock Bowers, Ashton Genti, Quishon Judkins, maybe Harold Fannin (if Najoku is out).
• Total avoid for wide receivers.

Jaguars @ Cardinals

• Jacoby Brissette’s strong passing volume: “Averaging 42 passing attempts per game… he’s been a legit, great play.” — Andy (24:01)
• Michael Wilson a high-confidence start due to target monopoly; reluctant endorsement of Greg Dortch or Jacoby Meyers for deeper leagues.
• On the Cardinals, RBs: ETN & Bashaw Tutin expected to dominate as Arizona struggles mightily versus the run.

Eagles @ Cowboys

• Crucial, close division battle; fantasy hopes tied to Cowboys’ offensive performance.
• “My fantasy season will go the way of the Cowboys’ offense. This is terrifying.” — Andy (28:47)
• Dak vs. Purdy debate: Andy prefers Purdy this week even as a Dak owner.
• CD Lamb, AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, and Javonte Williams are automatic starts.
• Jake Ferguson’s usage dips: “My confidence in Ferg Daddy has gone down for sure.” — Jason (31:33)
• Brief sidebar: Jackson Dart ruled out, affecting fantasy lineups (32:00).

Falcons @ Saints

• “Kyle Pitts… I would rather play [him] than Mark Andrews.” — Andy (36:24)
• Pits’ high target volume when London is out; dart throw potential for Darnell Mooney.
• Saints excitement around the switch to Tyler Shough at QB; fantasy arrows up for Chris Olave.

Buccaneers @ Rams

• High-scoring expectation.
• Questions about Baker Mayfield’s injury status; optimism if he plays.
• Sean Tucker's emergence as a recommended play over Rashad White, with hot-hand logic prevailing.
• Rams’ D makes this a tough matchup for both rushing attacks, but Kyren Williams, Puka Nacua, and Devonte Smith are plug-and-play.
• Cautious approach to Bucs' WR Chris Godwin due to lingering injury.

Panthers @ 49ers

• 49ers favored by 7; high-scoring expectations.
• Brock Purdy = “start of the week”; highlighted mind-meld with George Kittle (Kittle has caught 23 straight targets).
• Chuba Hubbard vs. Rico Dowdle: Carolina moves decisively to Dowdle as the lead back.
• TMAC (Tet a Roa McMillan) flagged as a strong start by Andy.
• Fun banter: “George Kittle could juggle, dunk, and ride a wheelie down the street.” (46:51–49:13).

5. Arizona Cardinals Quarterback Debate (24:34–27:03, 37:32–39:21)

• Extended, passionate discussion about Kyler Murray’s future and contract.
  • Jason predicts Kyler will be cut, not traded, due to no market for his contract: “We will get nothing. He will be cut this offseason.” (26:03)
  • Andy disputes, believing teams (Jets?) would pay for him: “There are so many franchises that would drool over having Kyler.” (25:52)
• Team purgatory vs. moving on for hope of a reset.

6. Fantasy Face Off (50:41–end)

• “Wheel of Shame” punishment: Jason dons the notorious pig mask he’d originally purchased to prank Andy (hence, the “ultimate backfire”).
  • “You got your own punishment. This is crushing.” — Andy (51:55)
• Producer team joins the prop pick contest for a “hater lineup” (all fades):
  • Example props:
    • Matt: Shador Sanders, over 0.5 INTs
    • Andy: Trevor Lawrence, over 0.5 INTs
    • Jason: Jared Goff, over 209.5 pass yards
    • Running back: Josh, Chase Brown under 64.5 rush yards; Andy, David Montgomery over 0.5 receptions.
    • WR: Andy, Stefon Diggs, over 12 fantasy points (PPR); Jason, Andonai Mitchell more than 68.5 receiving yards.
    • TE: Andy, Hunter Henry over 3.5 receptions; Jeremy, Jake Ferguson under 36.5 rec yards.
• The mask physically pains Jason throughout: “This is the worst thing I’ve ever worn... It hurts in an unimaginable quantity of pain.” — Jason (56:10–56:17)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Defensive Dominance:
  “When you can rush four and sack the quarterback every other play... it's a cheat code.”
  — Andy Holloway, 02:21

• On Fantasy Frustration with Buffalo’s Receivers:
  “It's all well and good to sit Keon Coleman down, but you really... the depth chart just don't feel very good.”
  — Jason Moore, 03:58

• League Trade Strategy:
  “If your team is doing well, don’t rest... He made a great transaction. And now I'm scared. Now I'm very scared.”
  — Andy Holloway, 09:10

• On The Burrow/Chase Stack:
  “The fact that you can now say CMC Bijan, Chase Burrow... that's going to be a huge Burrow.”
  — Jason Moore, 09:35

• Dynasty Insight:
  “Usually when the tight end one is around WR10-15. Right now he [Trey McBride] is scoring as the WR1, the best pass catcher in the league in games with Jacoby Brissette.”
  — Andy Holloway, 24:27

• On the Cardinals/QB Future:
  “We will get nothing [for Kyler]. He will be cut this offseason.” — Jason Moore, 26:03
  “There are so many franchises that would drool over having Kyler.” — Andy Holloway, 25:52

• On Wheel of Shame Backfire:
  “You got this for me… and I’m just putting it right back. You got your own punishment. This is crushing.”
  — Andy Holloway to Jason Moore, 51:44

• On Tight End Purgatory:
  “My confidence in Ferg Daddy has gone down for sure.”
  — Jason Moore, 31:33

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Thursday Night Recap: 01:31–06:20
• Trade & Joe Burrow Return: 07:47–09:32
• Injury News (Limited Practices): 09:49–10:31
• Jets @ Ravens Preview: 11:57–15:52
• Dome Zone Games (Browns/Raiders, Jaguars/Cardinals): 16:26–24:46
• Eagles @ Cowboys, Dak Debate: 28:36–33:02
• Falcons @ Saints (Kyle Pitts): 34:33–36:28
• Buccaneers @ Rams: 39:39–43:52
• Panthers @ 49ers: 45:27–50:19
• Cardinals QB/Kyler Debate: 24:34–27:03, 37:32–39:21
• Fantasy Face Off/Wheel of Shame: 50:41–End

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• The show remains fast-paced, analytical, and heavy on actionable matchup advice, but always interspersed with humor, playful jabs, and moments of self-deprecation.
• The “Wheel of Shame” segment (with backfiring pig mask punishment) demonstrates the hosts’ commitment to keeping fantasy lighthearted; plenty of commiserating over unlucky trades and the pains of season-long management.
• This episode is particularly memorable for its deep and candid Arizona Cardinals segment: a raw, detailed peek into the emotions of NFL fandom and dynasty management.
• Across all previews, the hosts smartly balance matchup analysis (“play them for the volume,” “avoid all WRs on both sides”) with a willingness to pivot based on practice, injury, or bizarre game flow.

For listeners in a hurry:
– Start at 01:31 for the game recap through early news/notes.
– For the densest matchup analysis, jump to 11:57.
– For pure entertainment, the Wheel of Shame and Face Off from 50:41 on is can’t-miss.

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Quote of the Episode:
“You got this [pig mask] for me trying to get me, and it didn’t come in time, so now I’m just putting it right back. You got your own punishment. This is crushing.”
— Andy Holloway to Jason Moore, 51:44

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Final Word

Classic Fantasy Footballers: Engaging, deeply knowledgeable, and never afraid of a little humility — whether that’s suffering through bad trades, awkward costume punishments, or the existential fate of their beloved Cardinals. The analysis is sharp, the advice sound, and the laughs consistent. A “must-listen” for competitors and comedy-seekers alike.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Podcast Announcer]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. Friday, November 21, the fantasy footballers Podcast. Back with you. Jason Moore is here. Jake Grizz in the building. I'm Andy Holloway and or about to enter the rest of week 12. We. We had a game last night. It was, it got exciting.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought, I thought it was boring for a while. I, maybe I'm alone there. But then it got really fun and exciting.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was the 4th and 27 is really where the excitement got turned on its head. I. You assume the game was over, then they convert a 4th to 27 and then at that point you assume they're going to win, that Josh Allen would.

[Andy Holloway]

Find a way and but that defense, man, that when you can rush four and sack the quarterback every other play.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I made the joke that Philly always looks like they have another guy on the field. And then before the show we're talking about the fact that when you rush four, you do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you basically, if you can get pressure with 4, you are dropping an extra guy into coverage. Like you're blitzing. It's. It is a cheat code.

[Jason Moore]

And Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson and the havoc that they. I mean, I had to laugh on one of the big plays where the defensive or the offensive tackle was just like, I'm going to jump on you. And it was a blatant penalty and then the penalty got declined because they had turned him over anyways. But it was just like he got around him so fast that the offensive lineman just jumped on him. Just jumped on his back and wrote him to the ground. And it was. It was a dominant performance.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Allen was frustrated. He was looking like he's getting up after the 100th sack. Like what is happening other than the.

[Jason Moore]

Very capable and always has been after the catch, Khalil Shakir. Right. Who was 8 for 110 and by the way, scored more fantasy points in our league than Josh Allen did. Other than that. Let me read you, Jason, the past catching leaders for. For the Bills and. And tell me if you believe this may be part of the problem. Number two behind Khalil Shakir's 8 for 110, Ty Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

The running back.

[Jason Moore]

The running back. But don't worry. Number three, Jackson Hawes, the rookie tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Followed by Gabe Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he's back.

[Jason Moore]

Longtime Buffalo Bill. 1 for 22.

[Andy Holloway]

Gabe the Babe.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Palmer, 2 for 21. Dawson Knox, James Cook, Reggie Gilliam, Elijah Moore for negative three. You have a. It's all well and good to go ahead and sit Keon Coleman down, but you really. The depth chart really don't feel very good.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it seems like they need a first round wide receiver on this team, preferably one that isn't Keon Coleman, but they do have Keon Coleman on the roster. What they really needed was another offensive lineman because the issue the previous week, they didn't have Keon Coleman and it was totally fine because Josh Allen had time to throw the ball, uses laser beam. Yeah, I mean, it's.

[Jason Moore]

This is exactly why fantasy football players get frustrated, is because Josh Allen went out last week and had six touchdowns and you come out and you have zero.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, I've talked about it. The recent Bills on the road, they've just been a different team. 19 points lost to the Texans. 13 points lost to the Dolphins. 14 points lost to the Falcons. That's three of their last four road games. So, yeah, it's something to monitor.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'd still be afraid to play them in the playoffs, but right now that would be a road game for them, that's for sure. If they make it in, it'll be a road game.

[Andy Holloway]

Pittsburgh on the road this coming week. So we'll see for the Bills can get it together.

[Jason Moore]

Woody Marks led the way again for Houston, 16 for 74. He's looked pretty good. And, you know, you probably weren't happy with just 3 for 55 and no touchdowns for Nico Collins.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, you're definitely not happy with that.

[Jason Moore]

So it was really the defense that stood out. I was lucky Enough to face two pieces of this game last night.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, what I got if you face.

[Jason Moore]

Nico, I face James Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's not good.

[Jason Moore]

17 for 116. 45 yard touchdown run. Got the little bonus on that. That was sweet. Got the. At the big game.

[Andy Holloway]

There's no other player here that's really going to hurt.

[Jason Moore]

You based the Houston defense.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's not a player. But I mean they went off. They didn't score a defensive touch. I mean they did but call back on penalty.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

And they still in our format which we nerf defensive scoring pretty, you know, a decent amount.

[Jason Moore]

It was a 16, 14 points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, it was an outrageous amount for no touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

No. I feel like my week is toast.

[Andy Holloway]

And now genuinely like I know it's not the offense that's getting it done, but at what point do you have the Kyler Brissette debate of like with Davis Mills in? Davis Mills? Three and. Oh, Stroud was what? Three and five.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think it'll be a discussion here because I think Davis Mills has been very game manager whereas Jacoby Brissette has been very like yardage and touchdowns and. Yeah, but it does. It has to pop into your head like if he misses another week and they win another game and you know, and then. Or he comes back and they lose badly and then. Yeah, it'll be a discussion. So it is Friday.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Hmm. This week's winner is TSUS. Okay. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Podcast Announcer]

News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Joe Burrow continues to be a full participant at practice. The spread from the New England game has gone from eight and a half, New England favored to five and a half. And where there's smoke, there's Joe. Well, I think he might be back here. I mean, unless you got something new.

[Andy Holloway]

We do have something a little bit new on some of the sports books. We now have props showing up for Joe Burrow.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So they are thinking he's going to play with something to monitor. Mike went out.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

From Disneyland.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Couldn't come to the show, but.

[Andy Holloway]

No, couldn't come to the show. But he can work his trades, make.

[Jason Moore]

A little deadline deal like a jerk.

[Andy Holloway]

Him and Josh are just. They're the two leading teams right now in the league of record. And they both went after. Just trade after trade after trade. And when we thought all trades were done because no one had any ammunition left to make any trades.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Mike dropped a. A Burrow bomb.

[Andy Holloway]

A Burrow bomb. He's got the Chase Burrow stack now added to, like, that was his weakness. His. I was not as afraid of Mike, like, I was talking him up. I wasn't really that afraid of him because he was. He was rolling with, like, Bo Nicks.

[Jason Moore]

So you can just speak your mind.

[Andy Holloway]

He was rolling with his great team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Bo Nix was Bo Nix and Cortland Sutton was his stack.

[Jason Moore]

True.

[Andy Holloway]

And I was like, nobody tell him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, don't tell him what his weaknesses.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the number one. He's the best. Just talk him up. You don't need to do anything. You can't lose at that team. He gave a tip a year or two ago of like, don't rest on your laurels. If your team is going doing well, don't rest. And he didn't. He made a great transaction. And now I'm scared. Now I'm very scared.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And Burrow's probably going to play because he was.

[Andy Holloway]

He was relying on the CMC Bijan. Like, that's what's been carrying him.

[Jason Moore]

The fact that you can now say CMC Bijan, Chase Burrow.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to be a huge borough.

[Andy Holloway]

It reminds me of, like, Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs, CD Lamb, and Dakota.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I worry about Dak a little bit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, me too. That's my team. I'm really worried.

[Jason Moore]

We have Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Warren returning to a limited practice. Ramond Ray Stevenson still limited with the toe injury. So we're waiting to hear if. You know, Trayvon's a player that Papa Josh traded away yesterday. Probably at the peak value right now, but that could hurt if. If he's the dude. Rest of season, Jackson Dart remain limited. On Thursday, Darius Slayton returned to a limited practice. So maybe we get some Darius Slayton back on the field with Jackson Dart. Josh Jacobs returned to a limited practice. There's a lot of limited stories here that feel like. Feels like I'm reporting nothing, actually, because, okay, we're limited, but we need some declarations of availability here. You know, Bucky Irving practicing as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Sunday Live will be pretty important with the amount of people kind of that we're not sure about whether they're playing or not. So that will be me this week, an hour before kickoff. Join us on pretty much anywhere.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yep. You can go over to YouTube, click the bell if you want to get notified when Jason is live. This week for Sunday Live, Daniel Jones was added to the injury report with a calf injury. Calf issue officially limited on Friday, but Stephen Holder reporting there's no real reason for alarm, at least in his mind. And then we'll get into some other injury updates during the matchups today. We also have the fantasy face off at the end of the show unless it gets preempted for some sort of like catastrophe.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no, I think we're good news. I think we're good. I'm really excited about it. Deucers. Are you guys excited for the.

[Jason Moore]

Gosh, I'm praying for a meteor.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because if a meteor comes, I'm reporting on the meteor and cutting out.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you're going to report it doesn't even have to hit yet.

[Jeremy]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I'll just do a quick preemptive. It's like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

[Andy Holloway]

Beep, beep, beep, beep.

[Jason Moore]

All right. And then we're gone. That was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. Let's jump into the matchups. It's time.

[Podcast Announcer]

Fantasy forecast presented by Prize Picks.

[Jason Moore]

Yesterday we covered the Steelers, Bears, Patriots, Bengals, Giants, Lions, Vikings, Packers, Seahawks, Titans, Colton, Chiefs. So if you want to hear those matchups, go ahead and click on yesterday's episode and you'll find them. Today we're going to start with the New York jets, who are a 2 and 8 franchise right now going to Baltimore, who's 5 and 5 and won a handful of games in a row. And Baltimore 13 and a half point home favorite.

[Andy Holloway]

That is, that's a, that's a large line that gives the Jets 15 and a half points and honestly I would take the Ravens to cover over under.

[Jason Moore]

44 and a half in this one. That gives the jets just 15 and a half. They said they're going to start to Rod Taylor.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, maybe it's, maybe it's an upgrade.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the, yeah. Four straight wins for Baltimore to give you a lay of the land on the defense. This is not a small change of what's happened in the first six weeks of the season they were dead last in the NFL and points per game allowed. Then they had their bye week. Then they had their Wheaties. Weeks 8 through 11. They are second in points per game allowed.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So you can't look at them as a pushover anymore. You can't look at them as an opportunistic start for Breeze hall anymore. And point differential here, the fact they're at home, it just doesn't give you confidence with anything on the jet side. Even brief hall to me, I, I think you're going to play him. If he's on your roster and he's in there, you're not going to. You're just going to hope that you get a big player, a big game or, you know, we saw six targets in Torod Taylor's last start.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, six targets, but he only scored seven fantasy points. He had 15 total opportunities against Tampa Bay Buccaneers in week three. And so I don't expect a good game from Breeze hall against the Ravens. He will be involved. He'll have a lot of opportunity. Hopefully you're in a full PPR league. I think that could be helpful. But you're not, you're not looking at this like, oh, Breeze hall started the week. This is a guy where you got to go, who else do I have on my roster? You know, if it was Breece or, you know, etn, if he's healthy, you're going the. I would go the ETN route.

[Jason Moore]

Lamar Jackson is still leading the NFL on touchdown rate at 8.7%. The yardage has not been like. That was one of the things when I was looking at the price pick stuff for this week for Fantasy Face Off. I kind of wanted to go the yardage direction with him. And then I, it's just not been there recently. The yardage, 200, 176, 193, one passing touchdown. The last two weeks, despite the W's, it hasn't been flowing, I would say. Right. Like it's. And he's not like last week he didn't run a lot. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder how much of it is the injury. He's obviously missing practice. He's banged up right now, so I don't think he's going to be forced in this game to throw for a ton or run for a ton. I think they'll take it easy. And this should be like, really Derek Henry taking over this game?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He's coming off his first game with both 100 plus rushing yards and a rushing touchdown since week one.

[Andy Holloway]

It's getting colder out There this. I mean, this is Yeti season. Derek Henry will probably have 100 rushing yards on a touchdown. Of back to back weeks, we have.

[Jason Moore]

Still just two top 24 finishes for Zay Flowers on the year. He started the year with the fire first week and then you've been chasing it ever since. Would you play him or would you go Michael Wilson against Jacksonville with no Harrison?

[Andy Holloway]

I would go Michael Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

As would I. How about Odunze? We talked about him yesterday. What about Pittman against Kansas City? I think I'm playing all three of those guys over Zay Flowers myself.

[Andy Holloway]

I would personally go Michael Wilson, then Zay Flowers, then Pittman, then Odunze.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, actually, then Odunze, then Pittman. Pittman's got a tough matchup against Kansas City.

[Jason Moore]

Mark Andrews, is he pure touchdown or bust in your mind?

[Andy Holloway]

He's pure touchdown or bust, but that's.

[Jason Moore]

Pretty good odds in a game like this.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't hear what I'm not saying. I think he's a fine play because there's probably like a 40% chance he gets a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

What about a player that could have a lot of yardage, could have the big play down the field In Colston, Loveland vs. A Mark Andrews start. Would you go with Loveland against Pittsburgh? We talked about Ramsey and A Dunes.

[Andy Holloway]

A and yeah, some of the other injuries there. I think Loveland is a. Is probably a better floor play and either one could get a touchdown. So I go Loveland over Andrews.

[Jason Moore]

All right, Jason, I hope you're ready.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm totally not.

[Jason Moore]

We're going to enter the Dome zone.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I love the Dome Zone. I am built for the Dome zone.

[Jason Moore]

Next five matchups are all in domes.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's go.

[Jason Moore]

So you don't have to worry about weather. I don't have to hear you barking about snow flurries or wind or anything like that. Cleveland 2 and 8, Las Vegas 2 and 8. They're going to play this one. There was some talk from me.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just like just scrapping it. Just call it a tie.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, just call it. No. Two losses.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh. So just both teams two and nine.

[Jason Moore]

Both teams just go to two and nine. Las Vegas minus three and a half at home. The over.

[Andy Holloway]

Holy moly. 36.5.

[Jason Moore]

36.5. And I see it. I mean, let's go.

[Andy Holloway]

How do the Raiders score on the Browns defense?

[Jason Moore]

Special teams play. Sack fumble by Max Crosby, who I apparently passed interference call.

[Andy Holloway]

Apparently. I don't know when this week, but I referred to him as Mason Crosby. Oh, you did I did.

[Jason Moore]

On the show.

[Andy Holloway]

On the show, yeah. And you didn't catch it. Nobody caught it.

[Jason Moore]

Shout out to Green Bay packers legend Mason Crosby.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. The kicker. Oh, that's really getting after the quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Well, okay, these are teams that are 29th and 30th in points per game. So that has something to do with the 36 and a half point over, under. I don't really want to break the matchup down beyond the fantasy stuff. I. It'll gross me out. I ate breakfast. I don't want that.

[Andy Holloway]

Coming up, David Najoku did not participate in practice on Thursday. So I think if he is out, Harold Fannin Jr. Is an okay play at the tight end. I would rather play him than Mark Andrews. If Najoku is out, it'll be Shador.

[Jason Moore]

His first start ever. And you know, Geno Smith kind of looking like a guy who's only started a game or two in his career. It's going to be hard against this defense which, like the Cleveland defense, it had a good run to start the year. Had a couple of weeks where it was like shaky and it's back in full force like, you know, over under six sacks on Geno Smith. I don't know which direction I'd go there.

[Andy Holloway]

And on Shador, oh, yeah, he doesn't have great pocket presence and with Mason Crosby there, he's going to get back.

[Jason Moore]

The kickers are going to get to him. Yeah, but, but, but fantasy wise, there are names. I mean, Brock Bowers is going to be in your lineup. Ashton Genti, with the down week, you're going right back to him.

[Andy Holloway]

Against this, you are going right back to him. It's not a, it's not a good matchup.

[Jason Moore]

But if you had Judkins on the other side or Genti. I think I probably played Judkins.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Etn, Ken Walker, your start of the week or Genti, like if it was.

[Andy Holloway]

A Ken Walker against Tennessee, I would go Ken Walker.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that would be a hard one to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, because he's been bad and Genti's.

[Jason Moore]

So good, but I think I would do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm not going to touch a single wide receiver for the Browns. If I had to personally, I would go Cedric Tillman over Judy and Isaiah Bond simply because of the backup narrative. When the backup comes in, the guy he's been practicing with is oftentimes targeted more than the starters and he's clearly not had any work with the first team. But no, don't do any of them.

[Jason Moore]

Are you, are you starting anybody on the other side, I mean I feel like the wide receivers, you could just take them off the board. Both sides.

[Andy Holloway]

No, this is Brock Bowers, Ashton Genti, Quinshawn Judkins and maybe Harold Fannin. That's it. Let's move on.

[Jason Moore]

Jacksonville six and four. Arizona at home three and seven. The Cardinals. Yay Vegas line. Jacksonville minus three on the road over under 47 and a half. Last week was a dominant performance by Jacksonville. Basically erased everybody on Los Angeles from.

[Andy Holloway]

A fantasy, much better team perspective.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah, it was 35 to 6. I mean that's wild. That's a wild one. Arizona, the implied point total for AZ in this one, 22. Jacksonville 25. 47 and a half's a nice number. These are two of the more faster paced offenses. Jacksonville's up at number one. Arizona number two really in place for you.

[Andy Holloway]

Jacksonville's number one.

[Jason Moore]

Number one.

[Andy Holloway]

I did not know that. I would have thought that was the Saints.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's, that's this guy Duvall. So I like that. I love the fact that Jacoby Brissette's averaging 42 passing attempts per game and the fact that he did what he did last week without Marvin Harrison just shows how capable he has been as a fantasy option. Michael Wilson. And it's a start.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a perfect matchup because the Cardinals have struggled having any running back of real note. They, you know, they use committee because they don't have Trey Benson or James Conner anymore. And so the guy, the Jags that they do have, ironic, you know, they're just mixing them up and you don't really care about them for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

But this matchup, Jacksonville's real good against the run.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the point is like Jacksonville shuts down the run, but they're not that good in the secondary. So Jacoby's going to throw the ball a lot and the wide receivers are going to get a lot even in a loss. I mean, I think this is a wonderful place. It's hard. I don't like chasing, you know, a one week wonder in Michael Wilson, but I can't imagine not playing well.

[Jason Moore]

Just do the, do the target math right? Even if it's not going to be 15 for 185 again, but 18 targets, I mean, give him 12, give him.

[Andy Holloway]

11, give him 10, I mean 10 targets. If I can guarantee 10 targets from any wide receiver, I'm going to be starting that guy.

[Jason Moore]

It's kind of the inverse scenario on the other side where the Cardinals have struggled really badly against the run in recent weeks. They're 26 in the league in the last six weeks and fantasy points allowed to running backs. And that is where, you know, ETN and Bashaw Tutin dominated the Chargers last week. So it gives me a little bit of. It gives me a lot of confidence on their running game and maybe a little bit of hesitation on the Parker Washington, Jacoby Meyer side of things. I don't think we'll see Brian Thomas Jr. Out there, but it's not impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this. This is. I'm excited for the running backs. I'm.

[Jason Moore]

You playing Dorch? Are you playing Dorch over Parker Washington?

[Andy Holloway]

I would play Dorch over Parker Washington, yes. Greg Dorch in this same game. I would play over him. I kind of like 66 and a touchdown last week.

[Jason Moore]

I might play Jacoby, though.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I would love to.

[Jason Moore]

I think. Jacoby Meyer. No, sorry, not Brissette. Oh, Jacoby Myers. What I've seen on film in Jacksonville, him integrating into this offense so quickly.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a. He's a much better actor, wide receiver than Parker Washington.

[Jason Moore]

So I think I'd play Jacoby Myers over Greg Dorch.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. So it goes. Michael Wilson definitely want to start then. Jacoby Myers. You can Dorch. You can Dorchikan Dor. Chicane. Probably not. I'm dropping Parker this week on in League of record.

[Jason Moore]

Are you?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm going to have to.

[Jason Moore]

Who traded?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, dude, you have traded me like four times this year. And every time I receive your. Your guy's.

[Jason Moore]

Every time I send a guy over, it's a. Use an inappropriate, harsh analogy. It's like they come over with a bomb strapped to their chest.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then once they get to your.

[Andy Holloway]

Team or just an ill. Just an ill. They just.

[Jason Moore]

They all do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they. They all had like, they had the virus living inside of them, but they didn't get sick until they were activated.

[Jason Moore]

Until you was exposed to your environment.

[Andy Holloway]

It's been a real fun one.

[Jason Moore]

I think. I've sent you three. We figured out. I sent you three tight ends this year. It was Hawkinson.

[Andy Holloway]

He died.

[Jason Moore]

It was Waller.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, he died.

[Jason Moore]

And then Gadsden.

[Andy Holloway]

Gadsden.

[Jason Moore]

He just didn't give you a big game in your first week, so you're afraid of him. Peace and out.

[Andy Holloway]

He will die.

[Jason Moore]

Jacoby Brissette, though, won't I think Jacoby Brissette is a legit. Great play.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I would start him over. Trevor Lawrence on the other side of the ball, I would start him over. A lot of. A lot of players this week. I think I think it's good. There's a lot. There are several players in this matchup that are going to have great fans outputs and Trey McBride with Jacoby, the numbers that Trey people might not understand how good he's been usually when usually the tight end one is around wide receiver 10 to 15. Right now he is scoring as the wide receiver one the best pass catcher in the league in games with Jacoby Brissette.

[Jason Moore]

I actually had the thought this morning. You know, we're out here in Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

And the Jags suck at defending Titans.

[Jason Moore]

We're the. We're the Cardinal fans out here.

[Andy Holloway]

You are.

[Jason Moore]

I had the thought. I think Jacoby might be the starter next year because of the way that I'm listening to. If you listen to Cardinals locker room. If the coaches stay, which I think they will, seems likely the offensive lineman Paris Johnson. Like these comments in the locker room about the leadership of Jacoby Brissette. The Cardinals are not going to have a top pick for a quarterback. That's not going to be the case. They're going to be just bad enough to be at 8, 9, 10. There aren't quarterbacks that I love coming out that are going to go beyond the top three. I genuinely think there's a better than 50% chance that Jacoby Brissette is the starting quarterback for the Cardinals.

[Andy Holloway]

Can you get a first round pick for Kyler?

[Jason Moore]

No, not. No. Because of the way they've played this. They played this like morons. The way you get a first round pick for Kyler, one, you trade him at the deadline without anybody knowing you're going to trade him. Or two, you reinforce that he's the guy when he comes back and yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that's what you need to do. That's what you need to do.

[Jason Moore]

Like right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, right now.

[Jason Moore]

Like, oh, he's absolutely the guy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's our guy next year. He's our starter. We love Kyler. He's a franchise quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Let me show you what we'll get for Kyler.

[Andy Holloway]

You're holding up a zero.

[Jason Moore]

We will get nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

That can't be true.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it will be.

[Andy Holloway]

There are so many franchises that would drool over having Kyler.

[Jason Moore]

No, we will get nothing for him. He will be cut this off season.

[Andy Holloway]

He will not be cut. No, he will not. That's the.

[Jason Moore]

He'll be cut. He'll be released.

[Andy Holloway]

I will bet all of the date. There's a money that I have.

[Jason Moore]

There's a money date. There's a date where more money gets guaranteed to Kyler and we'll cut him beforehand. The Cardinals suck. And that's what will happen because we've built no demand for him. Because everybody knows there will be demand.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a dead cap hit of 42 million next year. 60 million the next year.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it sounds like a really attractive contract for those trading teams. Jay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's an attractive player.

[Jason Moore]

It doesn't matter. They can pay him a lot less if we cut him. It's a game of chicken, right? If you don't trade for him, what do the Cardinals do? They're not playing. They're not keeping him as a backup Cardinals. What are you going to do?

[Andy Holloway]

They'll cut it. We are not going to cut.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, there's a cut date. There's a date that will save a ton of money. There's no demand. What team wants him?

[Andy Holloway]

Half the league.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. And for the contract he's on zero people.

[Andy Holloway]

You think the Jets? The jets wouldn't pay Kyler that if he was on the open market.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think so, I promise. Oh, on the open market. He's not signing a deal like that on the open market. I think he'll get a one year Justin Fields deal. Okay. It's all moot. The Cardinals suck. Everything sucks. All right, here we go. AD break time.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Philadelphia Jason 8 and 2. They take on the 4, 5 and 1 Dallas Cowboys. You got any almost upsets in the cards here? Vegas line Philly - 3 over under 47 and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm shocked that it's a three point line with the way that the Eagles defense has been playing. I Mean, obviously this game is in Dallas. I have hopes and fears for this game as my fantasy season will go the way of the Cowboys offense. This is terrifying. We've got a run here for the Cowboys of really tough matchups. Thankfully, their two toughest matchups which are this week and next week are both at home Philly and Kansas City at home. So you know, this will be. This will be good test for them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm still thinking about Kyler Murray, Philly. They want you to think their fans, of course, that the world is over and ended. Which is a great insult to us teams that really have crappy teams. But that's Philly media. We've been there. We've done a show in Philly.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Strong opinions.

[Andy Holloway]

They are hardcore sports fans.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Which I respect that. But you don't have to be mad all the time.

[Andy Holloway]

Hardcore.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Week one, it was 2420. It's wild to think about how the seasons might have just been a little bit different if Dallas wins that ball game. You know, I don't know. Do they trade Michael Parsons? I have no idea. Philly ran it 38 times in that game. Cowboys rushing defense has gotten better, but they're not a good defense. There's no one that's going to make that argument right now. Luckily they are facing not a good offense in the moment. So I do think this game could be close. It's in Dallas. It's crucial for Dallas. I mean, talk about a difference in how you feel like your playoff potential would be fantasy wise. You know, Dak, it's a tough matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

It is a tough matchup. I think you can play him, but you don't necessarily need to. I'd rather play Jacoby Brissette.

[Jason Moore]

The only game of the year was Philly.

[Andy Holloway]

I am personally, I have Dak and Purdy on my lineup. I'm.

[Jason Moore]

What are you doing?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm playing Purdy. Even with the stat.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't know that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So yeah. It limits your downside a little bit in this one. If you play that stack against Philly and the game goes Phillies way.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You could really get hammered by two bad performances.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Pickens has been awesome. CD you're playing both those guys. You're playing Javante, I think, and you're just mitigating or limiting your hopes. A little bit of a ceiling game. It hasn't been good for one player in recent weeks who really was on fire for the first seven weeks of the season. The return of CD Lamb has hurt Mr. Oh, Ferg Daddy Fergalicious. Okay. You know, he had a goose in the first game. CD came back. Then it was, you know, 5 for 50. That's fine. Then it was 4 for 16. But he got in the end zone. My confidence in Ferg Daddy has gone down for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, when he's the second target. I mean, we talk about this all the time in the off season. Like you to be successful as a tight end in fantasy, on a. On a consistency basis, you have to be the first or second target. Now he's the third target. You're reaching for buttons. Is this.

[Podcast Announcer]

Breaking news?

[Jason Moore]

This is interesting. Mostly for Mike the fantasy hitman. No, for everybody. Jackson Dart is not playing. Jackson Dart has been ruled out Sunday against the Lions. He did not clear protocol. I only say that because Mike has Burrow. I guess Burrow might be his starter.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, wait, no, they're on by. Yeah, they're on by. So he won't have a starter. He'll have to go sign somebody.

[Kyle]

Burrow plays the Patriots.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, wait, I am. Yes. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

You said that. I was like, I'm pulling it up.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sorry. Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I think you were thinking of Herbert maybe.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't know about that. But yes, he is playing. So Mike will have to play Burrow if Burrow is active. But no Jackson Dart, which is a disappointment. That game is going to be really bad for the Lions. Yeah, it already was.

[Andy Holloway]

But you were hoping. I was hoping that Dart could keep up. And you know, that. That. That hurts. Like, for instance, your.

[Jason Moore]

Your Jameson Williams Chase is technically on by. That's what I was thinking of. I was thinking of the fact that Chase himself is on a forced by. By the NFL for spitting in somebody's face.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. So he will not have a Chase Burrow stack.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I was thinking. Yeah. He will have just the Burrow part. But, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and pivot from Jackson Dart as my start of the week to Jared Goff, who is my backup start of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

So in the same game, which, ironically.

[Andy Holloway]

Jackson Dart not being there hurts Jared Goff as well.

[Jason Moore]

It probably does. But Jameis Winston, we know Jameis can have a little fun out there. Circling back, what were you talking about before? We were talking about Dak and the Cowboys in Philadelphia. I think the Falcon was trying to get me to make a furgatory joke like putting Jake Ferguson in, like, tight end purgatory, but I decided I wasn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Going to do it. I wanted to Hate it a lot more than the second time. I feel like that was okay.

[Jason Moore]

Second time I delivered it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Putting him in tight. In furgatory.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's better.

[Jason Moore]

You messing around with Goddard?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, when you play against the Cowboys, you want pieces. I think he is an okay play.

[Jason Moore]

AJ Brown, devonte Smith. I'm playing both of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Both of them in your lineup.

[Jason Moore]

I tried really hard to get AJ Brown again this week because I still think it's going to be really good for him rest of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. There's a small piece of me that's worried he's losing a step. He's certainly given up on steps. We've seen it three times this year where there's been a go route that he has just slowed up on. Just like, I'm not going to get past the ball. So why give full effort and then the ball sails five yards over his head.

[Jason Moore]

The Falcons are 3 and 7. They take on the 2 and 8 New Orleans Saints. So what? We got a 2 and 8, 2 and 8 matchup. We got a 3 and 7, 2 and 8 matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

That's great because then those games can be competitive and like, I'm just saying I want all the bad teams. You're saying the bad teams to play the good teams.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, the overrunner in this one's 40. So we got 40 in this one. We had 36 in the other crap game. That's the only thing that sucks because you got no Drake London, you got Kirk Cousins taking over.

[Andy Holloway]

The vibes in Atlanta are just so good. The vibes are going great. I mean, they beat the Buffalo Bills.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle asked us to spend 20 seconds on this game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Because he's a Falcons fan. And they've lost five straight. Yeah, and they've lost. I mean, in disgusting fashion.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, Kyle. Are you. Is he on the microphone?

[Kyle]

Yes, I'm here.

[Jason Moore]

You aren't. I'll try to talk. Kyle, just summarize the. You're in Atlanta, your boots on the ground. Give us the. Just an overarching vibe check there in Atlanta and what you expect moving forward.

[Kyle]

We think every day about us taking pits over Chase. Put it that way. That's what we think about every single.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, that was a bad pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, are you saying you regret that you think about that?

[Jason Moore]

In what way? Those are bad pits.

[Kyle]

It's just sad. It's the saddest thing in the world.

[Jason Moore]

Because you could have Jamar Chase.

[Kyle]

I'll bet you 20 other players after him that are all great. Yeah, Drafted all of them.

[Jason Moore]

What about this week, Kyle?

[Kyle]

Is Kyle Pitts going to deliver nine targets last time? Sure. I mean, it could work.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The last time that London was out and Kirk was the starter, nine targets. He was okay. I think Kyle Pitts is like, I would rather play Kyle Pitts and most of these tight ends we've talked about, which, you know, I don't want that to be archived.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's the truth. I would, I would rather play him than Mark Andrews.

[Jason Moore]

That tier and you can dart throw Darnell Mooney. I'd probably play him over Parker Washington and Dorch.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, you know, the defense for the Saints, I expect them to play decent ball. They're at home. That's a tough environment. There's some good vibes there. The switch over to Tyler Schuck, who played well, I think in both of his starts so far, but had the victory in his last start. And I'll bet New Orleans, the city is excited. They're going to be up for this game. So I worry a lot about the Falcons offense here with Kirk and no London.

[Jason Moore]

I don't have the nasty button over here. If somebody wants to hit it for.

[Andy Holloway]

Me, I got you.

[Jason Moore]

But I think there's a world where we see some Devon Neal in this one. Alvin Camara is still limited and so I'd be curious to see what Devin Neal can do if he gets opportunities in this game. Olave, you keep playing, but you don't watch the games.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, we had the one game without Khalil Shakir or two games. But one game with Shuck. No Shakir, where you're not getting blown out by the Rams against Carolina and he was 5 for 104 and a touchdown. Honestly, it's his biggest game in a long time. So I'm actually excited for Olavi.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still reading about this Kyler contract, little bits and pieces here. Well, because like most of the players paid as much as Kyler have no trade closets and he doesn't. But he does have the unbelievably cool homework clause, right? Oh, yeah. Where it requires four hours of independent study. I mean, the fact that that's in a contract and it's wild because it was. It was.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not in a contract because of Kyler. That's in a contract because of Bidwell, because he's a joke of an owner.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I mean, this was. This was. Yeah. Kyman Kingsbury. So like their current GM and their current head coach have no allegiance to this contract into Kyler. Whether it's a trade, whether somebody's willing to take on the insane money, which I think is unlikely, but Cardinals seem ready to move on. Are you happy about that? Because a lot of the times when you move on from a player.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You might spend 10, 12 years in purgatory at quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I'm fine with that because I don't think with Kyler we've been good enough to truly compete. So we end up in purgatory either way. Purgatory.

[Jason Moore]

Purgatory.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's move on. Let's move on from him. But I do, I very much want them to trade him for something good. And I think that there are teams out there that need a quarterback and there's not a ton of them growing on trees.

[Jason Moore]

If we trade them, I don't think we get a lot. Personally, I'd be shocked. We traded Josh Rosen. You remember that?

[Andy Holloway]

Did we get some from Rose?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we did. We got a 2019 second round pick and a fifth round pick that.

[Andy Holloway]

That screws. Has a great deal.

[Jason Moore]

A two and a five. Miami. Thank you. Yeah, maybe Miami comes at us. Got precedent. Tampa Bay six and four. Los Angeles. The Rams eight and two. Vegas line here. Los Angeles minus six and a half. Over, under almost 50 points. Okay, here's a game.

[Andy Holloway]

This should be fun. If Baker's good to go and healthy enough. He was quarterback eight. Quarterback seven last two weeks. If he's game for this and he's a gamer, I'm super excited.

[Jason Moore]

You know, it seemed like they were winning every close game to start the year. Right. Like Baker had the last second drives and all of them. Now they're losing all of them. And I think Baker will be fine. We don't expect Bucky Irving to play. So Sean Tucker, an interesting chase after last week. He had 12 touches. He had a 43 yard touchdown. He looked, I guess pent up would be the word.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Somebody ready to play football.

[Andy Holloway]

He was. His breakaway run down the sideline was. It was very impressive. His speed pulled away from defenders who took bad angles and they could not catch him. So I would certainly be starting Sean Tucker over Rashad White. I believe that it was hot hand in the game, but I think that they will continue to hot hand after that and say, hey, we're going to give you more opportunities now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. White's hands have been cold for years. When it comes to running between the.

[Andy Holloway]

Tackles, they're like, don't touch me. No, don't touch me.

[Jason Moore]

It's freezing, freezing cold.

[Andy Holloway]

This isn't a good matchup for it though. Like the Rams defense has been otherworldly. Their rush defense is very difficult. Both of these teams are usually good rush defenses, although so far this year Tampa Bay has given up a lot of fantasy points to running backs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it doesn't give me any fear for Kyren. Of course. Puka Devonte play them. I think you play Stafford and you hope for the game to get up above that 50 point mark and be a shootout. Play a Buka.

[Andy Holloway]

Of course when it comes to Sean Tucker, like would you play Bam Knight or Sean Tucker?

[Jason Moore]

Tucker.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you play Sean Tucker or Alvin Camara if he's active?

[Jason Moore]

Tucker.

[Andy Holloway]

I would go Camaro there. I don't I Emmanuel Wilson.

[Jason Moore]

To be to be honest with you, I am shocked that anybody on this planet wants to play Alvin Camara.

[Andy Holloway]

Why?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. Just because I feel like when he's bad he's invisible.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. He's had a lot of poor production this season.

[Jason Moore]

I mean are you just feeling better with the bye week and getting another week for rest?

[Andy Holloway]

A bye week with rest Shuck is better than Rattler last week he had 25 opportunities. So I get it.

[Jason Moore]

I get it. Guess that makes sense. It was a little bit better for him after basically not touching it a lot before Rattler left. So yeah. Anybody else in this game you want to discuss? Mr. Moore, what do you think of Tez Johnson? I think it's just really.

[Andy Holloway]

It'S hard to play a guy off of three targets. One catch for six yards. I was very disappointed last week. Especially in a game where you score 32 points.

[Jason Moore]

It just feels like and forth.

[Andy Holloway]

But you're going to need to throw the ball against the Rams because you're not going to run it well against them and the Rams are going to score.

[Jason Moore]

Is there a chance Godwin plays though? They said full participant for Godwin on Thursday.

[Andy Holloway]

There is. There is a chance. I saw that he's hopeful but I'd.

[Jason Moore]

Make other plans think that's personally especially.

[Andy Holloway]

Against this is not fair to the like I feel bad for the Buccaneers who had to go to Buffalo and then in Buffalo, New York. And then the next week fly all the way to Los Angeles to play back to back brutal matchups. This is tough sledding.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this will be a tough one too. I mean they're, they're six and a half point underdogs.

[Andy Holloway]

I get it. I think the travel and the brutal way that they lost. They gave, they gave it everything they got. I mean last week they went all out and I feel like I know that there's been a lot reported like teams after they play the Lions. Just when they just get brutalized the next week they have a down week. This feels tough to me. For the buckets. Go to the Rams and like the Rams a lot. I do.

[Jason Moore]

We'll take a break. We'll talk Monday Night Football. Get into the Face Off.

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[Jason Moore]

Work on your own car. You know that will it work feeling when you're buying parts. This is where ebay's free returns change the game if it doesn't fit or it isn't what you expected. Ebay has your back. Just print a label, drop it off and get your refund fast. No haggling, no stress and at least 30 days to return on every eligible item. Millions of parts, Free returns, ebay things people love. Eligible items only exclusions apply. Carolina still surviving six and five here taking on the 49ers in San Francisco. 49ers seven point home favorites over under is 49 and a half. Carolina could match records with San Francisco with a win in this one. 49ers are the last NFC team in the playoffs right now. Panthers knocking on the door behind them along with Detroit. Both teams have been good in close games this year. One score game. San Francisco 4 and 1. Thank you, Cardinals. Carolina 5 and 1. Bryce Young, NFC Offensive Player of the Week with 448 passing yards and three touchdowns against Kyle's Falcons. Brock Purdy's your start of the week and he looked great last week. He has got the mind meld with George Kittle and I love that he has caught his last 23 targets in a row. George Kittle.

[Andy Holloway]

For real.

[Jason Moore]

For real.

[Andy Holloway]

That dude's awesome. That dude George is awesome in every single way. You can be awesome.

[Jason Moore]

There's no way he's not awesome. I'll bet even the hair.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll bet you he's good at cards. I'll bet you he's great at juggling. He could juggle. He could easily juggle.

[Jason Moore]

Easily juggle.

[Andy Holloway]

He's caught 23 passes in a row. You think he can't just simply juggle?

[Jason Moore]

You think he can drive a stick shift?

[Andy Holloway]

He grew up on a stick shift. Yeah, he was on like some kind of. He had the hard top.

[Jason Moore]

Does he punctual off? Does he show up to things on time?

[Andy Holloway]

No, he's way too cool to show.

[Jason Moore]

Up on time because showing up on time is not cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Five minutes late.

[Andy Holloway]

Tattoo's awesome.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think he could. He can probably swim, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think he could swim. He could swim. I think that's like not a.

[Jason Moore]

That's not a super.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not a super high bar. He can dunk.

[Jason Moore]

He could dunk.

[Andy Holloway]

He could definitely dunk on a 12.

[Jason Moore]

Foot hoop for sure. Another fun stat from this game, Chuba Hubbard. He has allowed zero pressures on 26 pass blocks this year. That is the most of any running back. So he has been a really, really good, you know, a benefit to Bryce Young. Yeah. Where Rico has a lot 12 pressures on about the same amount of pass blocks. But Rico has been a much, much better, more productive, more explosive, more dynamic runner.

[Andy Holloway]

After they lost to Buffalo, they made the transition. They came out and said it. They said, you know, we wanted to have Chuba give him the respect. He's a big part of this team. But Rico's been better and we need to make that transition. Since that time, Chuba's on 22%, 21% and 19% each week lower than the previous on snaps, percentage of snaps. Like, there's just. This is Rico's backfield. Chuba is a good pass blocker. I don't think it matters. And The San Francisco 49ers defense has not been very good. They're so depleted, they're so injured. And so I think this is going to be an exciting game. I think it seems like what Carolina has done with Rico Dowdle in winning games and putting up enough points. They're going to score. They're still going to lose by seven to the. To the Niners, which means the Niners are going to put up 30 points.

[Jason Moore]

Tet a Roa McMillan. My start of the week. T. Mac Tracy McGrady. By the way, do you think. You think Kiddo could do like, a wheelie?

[Andy Holloway]

He could do a wheelie all the way down the street.

[Jason Moore]

All the way down the street.

[Andy Holloway]

And I'm talking bicycle. None of this. Like, I mean, on a motorcycle, you do it for miles.

[Jason Moore]

But you think he has pegs on his bike, on the back of his bike to give his friends rides?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he's got pegs on the bike.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he'll take someone on his shoulders.

[Jason Moore]

He'd do both.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, if he's got two friends, he's not going to leave one behind. He's way too cool for that.

[Jason Moore]

He's too cool. Juwan Jennings, Ricky Piersall, I know you guys have had just this unadulterated confidence in Ricky Piersol. Does it persist into this moment here on the show?

[Andy Holloway]

It does persist. I do think that Ricky Pearsall is their best player. I think he's going to be their. Their best wide receiver, certainly not their best player with Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle. Yeah. I mean, the way that Shanahan has talked about him watching the routes last week, he was a little bit of a decoy, but he was open a lot. And so I'm okay playing Pierce.

[Jason Moore]

You play him over Juan, Jenny.

[Andy Holloway]

I still would play him over Juwan Jennings. I think that if.

[Jason Moore]

If you guys are going to end up right. I have my.

[Andy Holloway]

Jennings leads the team in receptions at the wide receiver position. I think you're disappointed if Pearsall does. I think you get a good fantasy output. That's the difference.

[Jason Moore]

Like, Jennings could be 5 for 41 or something like that. Okay, well, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Carolina at 6 and 5 on Monday night Football. Like, I didn't think I'd be saying that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, it's fun and they're in the race for their division.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right. I guess no meteor.

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[Jason Moore]

Well, Mike's not here, so, you know, he probably lost.

[Andy Holloway]

I checked. I checked. He didn't lose. But I also didn't lose.

[Jason Moore]

No, I think you guys were three of four and I was two of four, I believe. So I get to spin it. And I can't wait because we. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You're back.

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Wheel of shame.

[Jason Moore]

Can't wait to find out how much I have to zoom my browser window. All right, spin the wheel.

[Andy Holloway]

You should be able to see just fine.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's see here. Jay, Grizz, the.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, God.

[Andy Holloway]

What does it say? Says oink, oink, oink, oink. Biggie. This was something that Andy got from me. This is what makes me so happy about. This is the ultimate backfire because I.

[Jason Moore]

Got this for you.

[Andy Holloway]

You got this for me trying to fasciate me and then it didn't come in time, and so I. You guys pivoted last week, and so I'm just putting it right back. You got your own punishment.

[Jason Moore]

This is crushing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Oh, you look so stupid. You look like when you were in that Batman suit. Hey, can you even hear me? Yeah, we can hear you enough. It's. It plays. You look. You. You. You really look fat.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Go ahead, Jake.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, I'll start us off at the. Oh, also, just to let the foot clan know what we're doing here with price pictures. I see it cutting into those eyes. Oh, it's delightful. So what we're doing this week, with Mike gone, we are making the deucers inducers alley participate with us. Each one of our beautiful doosers has picked a position and Jeremy will read them off for us. We'll start at the quarterback position. Jeremy, which deucer picked the quarterback?

[Jeremy]

That was Matt.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, give us the Falcons line for. For quarterback.

[Jeremy]

Matt was thinking him to. To himself should Shador Sanders throw an interception this week. And he said he should do or that. So he is taking the more of the 0.5 interception projection on Shadow Sanders 5.5.

[Andy Holloway]

Is this a. Is this a green Goblin?

[Jeremy]

This is our green Goblin.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. I was like. Because so mine. I am also doing an interception projection here. I've got Trevor Lawrence is also at 0.5 interceptions. And look, as a Cardinals fan, I'm just going to hope that'll be a fun moment for me. I get to double up and I get to go woohoo. That's awesome. But he was not a Green Goblin. I feel like. Should do or be like two and a half. What's. What's the. What's the line there? All right. Andrew, can you hear me? Yeah. Jared Goff, your start of the week.

[Jason Moore]

This is my Green goblin. More than 209.5 passing yards.

[Andy Holloway]

More than 209. Yeah, that. That feels like a really nice projection to go more. All right. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

It's something funny.

[Andy Holloway]

Something funny over there. I think Falcon is laughing at.

[Jason Moore]

What's so funny.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's your face.

[Jason Moore]

Is it my fat face?

[Andy Holloway]

It's your fat face. It looks you. You really do look genuinely fat.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And it looks like you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So. All right. I'll kick us off with the. The running back. This is my Green Goblin. I am taking David Montgome. Gross. Gross. I didn't like, see that. All right.

[Jason Moore]

I found the mouth hole.

[Andy Holloway]

I am going David Montgomery. They talk about wanting to get him more involved. Same game, my Green Goblin. More than half a reception. Just get. Get one pass. Get one pass, David. That's all you need. Deucers, what you got?

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Jeremy]

Josh had our running back pick. And you'll notice that we thought it'd be fun this week. We have a lot of fun on the prize picks platform, but we put together a hater lineup. So these are all fades.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. All right.

[Jeremy]

Josh's running back pick is Chase brown. Less than 64 and a half yards Rushing yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Can I add this mask to the hater list?

[Andy Holloway]

That's. Yeah. So that's going to be against the New England Patriots.

[Jason Moore]

Are we on running back?

[Andy Holloway]

We are on running back.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going with Ken Bone Walker.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my.

[Jason Moore]

Start of the week, more than 7.5 receiving yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay. He can do that in one or he could not do that in five. I mean, who knows? Let's go quicker. All right, wide receiver. I have a fun one here this week. I haven't done this too many times. Not on the show. I play it off the show, but I'm going Stefan Diggs in that New England Cincinnati game with their terrible defense. And now maybe Joe Burrow active. I'm going with his fantasy score. They have a projection of 12 fantasy points. And if you haven't done it on price picks, they're full PPR. So this is full PPR. 12 fantasy points for Stefan Diggs.

[Jason Moore]

Cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Touchdown pretty much seals it. I think he can do it without out one. I'm taking more.

[Jeremy]

Alrighty. And then Kyle had our wide receiver pick. He's going. Trey Tucker against the Browns defense, less than 36 and a half receiving yards.

[Jason Moore]

Is the worst thing I've ever worn.

[Andy Holloway]

I can see the lines it's making on your nose.

[Jason Moore]

It hurts in an unimaginable quantity of pain.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that you just go to me.

[Jason Moore]

More than 68.5 receiving yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, I like that with with Chase out. Okay, let's take our time on this last one, fellas. At tight end. We've got a lot riding on this New England Cincinnati game. I think it's really fun. Especially, man, if Burrow plays, there should be a ton of points scored. Cincinnati's defense is the worst ever against tight ends. So I'm taking Hunter Henry at tight end. More than three and a half. More. More than three and a half receptions. See, the reason why I like more than three and a half receptions for Hunter Henry against the is because they are historically bad against the tight end position. Producers, before you give me your line, what do you think of my Hunter Henry projection? I think it's a great pick. Thanks. Okay. All right.

[Jeremy]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

These eyes are closed. He's passed. He's passing on.

[Jeremy]

I had our tight end pick and I'm going to keep Fergalicious in purgatory with less than 36 and a half receiving yards.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, cool. I think the AJ Barner week was a complete one off and I'm taking AJ Barner fewer than 26.5 receiving yards.

[Andy Holloway]

AJ Barner fewer. Okay. Because you looked into that and you realized that you did not love A.J. barner going forward. I remember you talking about that. Is that true? You looked. You did a deep dive on A.J. barner. Oh, man, the look. You can close this out, Jay. All right. That was Fantasy Face off presented by Prize picks. Join millions of users and sign up for America's number one fantasy sports app. Use the code footballers to get $50 in lineups when you play. $5. Play with us. It is a ton of fun over there. Prize picks.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye. I just want to stress how tight this mask is.

[Andy Holloway]

Humpty Tumpy.

[Jason Moore]

They didn't really use a sander on the edges.

[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

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