Week 12 Studs & Duds + Jason’s Trade Regrets - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/24

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast

Week 12 Studs & Duds + Jason’s Trade Regrets

Released: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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Overview: Episode Theme and Purpose

This episode dives into the key fantasy takeaways from NFL Week 12, featuring a comprehensive rundown of this week’s "Studs" and "Duds," Jason’s trade regrets, injury impacts, and reflections on player performances. The hosts also set the stage for their famed “Megalodon” Thanksgiving episode and share their usual blend of humor and candid fantasy football wisdom. If you want insights to win your league and some lively banter to go with it, this is your recap.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show Traditions & Thanksgiving Special [01:29–05:21]

• Hype for the annual “Megalodon” episode, which will roll Wednesday/Thursday/Friday content into one show to prep for Thanksgiving week games.
• Running jokes about bits, traditions (#Spatchcock, #Thicksgiving, “Dinner Butter”), and Mike's many years of Thanksgiving “Jack in the Box” food tradition.
• The trio sets a festive, humorous tone for the holiday week, engaging both new and longtime listeners.

2. “Monday Punday” Fantasy Recap [05:22–07:19]

• A parade of fantasy football puns to sum up key player performances:
  • Good: "Jamirical Gibbs," "Back Prescott"
  • Duds: "J.J. McFarty," "Shamison Williams," "Cryon Williams," "CDs Drops"
• Notable discussion: CeeDee Lamb’s surprising drop issues and discussion of Dallas’ WR situation.

  Andy: “Seven drops in the last two games against the Eagles. CD, what’s going on?” [07:03]

3. News & Notes – League Happenings & Injury Updates [09:13–15:13]

• Raiders fire OC Chip Kelly; Pete Carroll fires another coordinator.
  • Andy: "Pete’s like, dude, I gotta win now." [09:57]
• Chiefs sign Damien Pierce; Joe Mixon likely out for season, leading to Mixon’s tongue-in-cheek tweet:

  Andy: “Joe Mixon quote-tweets that and says, ‘You know more about me than I know about me.’” [12:03]

• Other key injury-related notes:
  • Aaron Rodgers expected back Week 13.
  • T. Higgins in concussion protocol.
  • Joe Burrow’s status for Thursday in doubt ("Do or die against Baltimore” [13:25]).
  • Baker Mayfield shoulder sprain; MRI pending.
  • Alvin Kamara MCL sprain ("Probably be a couple of weeks" [14:58]).
  • Ashton Genti (Raiders) ankle injury—unclear if serious.
  • DK Metcalf, Rashi Rice, Jacoby Brissett returned after minor injuries.

4. Week 12 Quarterback Studs [16:07–21:54]

• Top Performer: Jameis Winston (QB1)—highlighted for outrageous plays and a receiving TD:

  Mike: “That was the coolest play of the year.” [16:17]

• Discussion if Winston is fantasy-relevant (he’s not—expect Dart to return).
• Jalen Hurts & Dak Prescott: Both strong, top-three weeks.
• Notable LV dynasty impact: Jacoby Brissett’s consistent fantasy production for Arizona, making Michael Wilson a weekly starter.

  Andy: “We can watch that offense. I’ll watch that. That’s football. That is football.” [21:45]

5. Running Back Studs [22:52–25:48]

• Jahmyr Gibbs explodes (49.9 points):

  Andy: "219 rushing yards with two breakaway touchdowns...and then to add 11 receptions is–that’s not fair." [24:14]

  • Only LT (LaDainian Tomlinson) has had comparable stat lines.
• Emmanuel Wilson, Derrick Henry, Ashton Genti, James Cook post big games.
• Genti’s heavy involvement in the passing game noted as a silver lining even on a bad offense ("93 reception pace over the last four weeks" [25:19]).

6. Wide Receiver & Tight End Studs [27:57–34:40]

• JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba): 8/167/2, continues historic fantasy consistency.

  Andy: "He has not had a game outside the top 10...since week four." [28:16]

• Wandale Robinson: Surprising “top 5” week after increased downfield usage.
• Almond Ra St. Brown, George Pickens, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Devante Adams highlighted for major performances.
• Michael Wilson: Heavy target volume (15) with Jacoby Brissett.
• TEs: Jason celebrates hitting on Hunter Henry (7/115/1) and Colston Loveland as weekly starts.

  Jason: “Our start of the weeks were one and two.” [33:11]

7. Duds: Fantasy Letdowns [34:57–59:40]

• Lamar Jackson:
  • Declining rushing, lack of fantasy upside ("One passing TD in the last three weeks...hasn’t surpassed 200 yards" [35:34]).
  • "You’re just holding your breath and hoping he gets healthy and gets back to doing Lamar things.” [36:14]
• J.J. McCarthy: “Tragically bad” after six starts; compared to JaMarcus Russell’s infamous start.

  Andy: “As of right now, this is tragically bad." [38:13]

• Justin Jefferson, Emeka Egbuka, Roma Dunes, Jameson Williams: All struggle despite opportunity.
  • Wideout studs can become fantasy irrelevant with brutal QB play:

    Andy: “Even first ballot hall of famers, when they don’t have a quarterback, they can’t be a top five fantasy wide receiver.” [43:13]

  • Dynasty discussion: Would you take JSN over Jefferson right now? (“Oh, I would take Jason over Jefferson for sure.” – Mike [43:47])
• Running Backs: Jonathan Taylor (16 for 15), Saquon Barkley (10 for 22), Kyren Williams, Sean Tucker, Deandre Swift all underwhelm.

8. Weekly Strategy, Trade & Start/Sit Regrets [58:05–58:40]

• Andy’s wide receiver choices (Chris Olave, Roma Dunes, Michael Pittman) have become “real questions” due to shifting performance and schedules.
• Jason laments a missed trade and how player fortunes can rapidly flip (“That would have been the most me and you trade ever. Because Jameson on fire. And this week, I give him to you, and he gooses.” [58:27])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike on Thanksgiving Tradition:

  “My local Jack in the Box is closed. I don’t know... as far as I can remember, that is something that is real.” [03:00]

• On CeeDee Lamb’s Drops:

  Andy: “Seven drops in the last two games against the Eagles...Cd, what’s going on?” [07:03]

• Injury News (Joe Mixon):

  Andy: “…Joe Mixon quote-tweets that and says, ‘You know more about me than I know about me.’” [12:03]

• On Jacoby Brissett’s Value in AZ:

  Andy: "We can watch that offense. I’ll watch that. That’s football. That is football." [21:45]

• Jahmyr Gibbs' Breakout:

  Andy: "219 rushing yards with two breakaway touchdowns...and then 11 receptions—that’s not fair." [24:14]

• On QB regression (Lamar):

  Jason: “You’re just holding your breath and hoping he gets healthy and gets back to doing Lamar things.” [36:14]

• Dynasty WR Rankings:

  Mike: “Oh, I would take Jason (JSN) over Jefferson for sure.” [43:47]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:29: Show opening, Thanksgiving Megalodon hype, traditions, and "bits"
• 05:22: Monday Punday: Studs & Duds roundup in pun-form
• 09:13: Major league news & injuries
• 16:07: Fantasy QB Studs – Winston’s wild week and Jacoby Brissett’s impact
• 22:52: Stud RBs – Gibbs historic day; Genti’s passing work
• 27:57: Stud WRs & TEs – JSN, Wandale, rookie/dynasty insights
• 34:57: Fantasy Duds – Lamar, McCarthy, Jefferson, and implications
• 45:29: RB Duds – Jonathan Taylor, Saquon, Kyren, others flop
• 52:47: WR Duds – Jefferson, Abuka, Dunes, Jameson Williams
• 58:05: Strategy/tactical regrets and start-sit debates
• 60:32: Wrap-up; reminders re: Wednesday’s Megalodon show

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Tone & Style

The episode is as punchy and irreverently insightful as usual, blending sharp fantasy advice, lamentations from painful lineup and trade regrets, and all the fantasy dad humor fans expect. Andy, Mike, and Jason don’t dodge their struggles and bring honest, actionable in-season reflection for managers staring down the Week 13 playoff push.

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For New Listeners

• Tune in Wednesday for the annual Megalodon Show—a super-sized, comedy-laden episode that’s a must-listen for fantasy managers during Thanksgiving week.
• Check show rankings, tools, & community at jointhefoot.com for deeper engagement and advice.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome in. Monday, November 24th. I think I hear something. Deep within the ocean in the waters. Uh oh man. Uh oh. Uh oh. The Megalodon show is this week.

[Andy Holloway]

We.

[Jason Moore]

We wanted to let you know.

[Andy Holloway]

We didn't really tease it last week at all.

[Jason Moore]

No, I think the bear was distracting me.

[Mike Wright]

I'm gone for couple seconds.

[Andy Holloway]

Bear scared. The shark Got bears and sharks on this show.

[Jason Moore]

That was. That was a little scary. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers. We have a Megalodon show on Wednesday. That means we are jamming the what the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday content all into one super sized episode ahead of Thanksgiving day. Duper sized Mike has already made his reservations at the local Jack in the Box. Guys, you got to call in, don't you?

[Mike Wright]

I have. No, I have. I have for the first time in.

[Andy Holloway]

I know where he's going many years.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, my Jack in the Box.

[Andy Holloway]

It's close.

[Mike Wright]

My local Jack in the Box is closed. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

He has no idea what to do for Thanksgiving anymore.

[Jason Moore]

Somebody's buying and reheating.

[Mike Wright]

You think I can't find another Jack.

[Andy Holloway]

In the Box too?

[Jason Moore]

I think you will.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying. The one that I have gone to every year for the.

[Andy Holloway]

A decade at least.

[Mike Wright]

At least a decade. They are no more. My one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Are they closed or are they.

[Andy Holloway]

No, they're all day. They've shut. They've shut down Thanksgiving. Demand is diminished real quick. I know we. I know we make this joke. We make lots of. We got. We got bits.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We got Bits on bits.

[Andy Holloway]

In the last 10 years, have you genuinely gone to that Dragon box every single year? Is that real or like a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Of times I have eaten that Jack. There may be a year in there where I didn't. But I mean, like, I won't. I won't rule it out. But yeah, I mean, as far as.

[Andy Holloway]

I can remember, that is something that is real. Yes. Everything.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. That is not a bit.

[Jason Moore]

That is clearly not eating there enough during the other 364 days of the year or they'd still be open.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, is Jack in the box?

[Jason Moore]

That's for Thanksgiving.

[Mike Wright]

Like the best part of Jack in the box on Thanksgiving. They're open.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Brooks is pointing out here that for all new fans and existing fans, you get to join in the annual tradition on the Megalodon shows such as hashtag Spatchcock. Hashtag. Are you reading.

[Jason Moore]

Are you reading a message off your back?

[Andy Holloway]

I got it. I was reading it.

[Mike Wright]

It's on your computer.

[Andy Holloway]

It's in a different window. It's right here. It's right in front of me.

[Mike Wright]

Tracy, that's. That font is all tiny, look.

[Andy Holloway]

Why was that a problem?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man.

[Andy Holloway]

We got Spatchcock thicksgiving Hashtag dinner butter. And we don't know what's gonna happen this week, but something will happen.

[Jason Moore]

No, we'll do a special giveaway.

[Mike Wright]

Thixgiving was an all timer.

[Jason Moore]

Thicksgiving was.

[Andy Holloway]

We took over the. We were trending for all the wrong reasons.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of people were clicking on that hashtag hoping for something that we didn't provide.

[Mike Wright]

Rassy football show. That's right.

[Jason Moore]

So welcome into the new week. The band back together here. Megalodon week. You can watch the show YouTube.com the fantasy footballers if you want to head over there. We have all the rankings in the start sit tool and you know there's going to be Thanksgiving day games and Black Friday games and just games on games. Like we have bits on bits.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And we'll cover it all this week starting with your Monday punday. Submissions from a weekend that for me personally did not go that well. For others others it probably worked out especially with some of these names at the top of Monday punday starting with Jamirical Gibbs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Emmanuel Wilson.

[Mike Wright]

Guess what? Windale Robinson.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. He played with James Winston.

[Andy Holloway]

Except he didn't win.

[Mike Wright]

That is what you got.

[Jason Moore]

Fantasy. You did.

[Andy Holloway]

You got fantasy. Easy picking.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Ashton Plenty.

[Andy Holloway]

Juggernaut Smith and Jigba JS Entertainment.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's so good.

[Mike Wright]

Cam Reward.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And really Back Prescott.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, he did.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

Man. Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Someone played Camboard.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he did.

[Jason Moore]

All right. If you played Cam Ward, please let us know on Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just.

[Mike Wright]

That's surprising. Dude. Where's my Lamar?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, we moved to the bad.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Rome O Doomsday.

[Andy Holloway]

Now let's move to the worst. Oh, J.J. mcfarty. Woof that dude.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Oh, Shamison Williams.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Feel great about that.

[Andy Holloway]

Like Drake Meka and Emeka Egbuka.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that sucks.

[Mike Wright]

DeAndre Swift. Yawn.

[Jason Moore]

Keisha on Doody.

[Andy Holloway]

Mark Blandrews.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Cryon Williams.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Cryren.

[Andy Holloway]

And this.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, cryren. I'm sorry.

[Jason Moore]

CDs drops.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Dude.

[Mike Wright]

What is going on?

[Andy Holloway]

Seven drops in the last two games against the Eagles. Yes, in the last two games against the Eagles. Tons of drops all year. Multiple touchdown drops, multiple game winning, you know, opportunity drops. Cd, what's going on?

[Mike Wright]

There's a new number one in Dallas.

[Andy Holloway]

I know. I mean, genuinely. It's like. It's like right now. If you have the question.

[Jason Moore]

Let me check in on that.

[Andy Holloway]

If you had. If you had one roster spot left and you said, I have to start George Pickens or CD Lamb.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no.

[Mike Wright]

Who are you going to start?

[Andy Holloway]

What are you going to do? It's crazy. I don't know if you saw. I told you yesterday, you should have.

[Jason Moore]

Traded for pick, and so you had them both. So the stack always works.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I. Well, I bench Dak, which I felt great about. I mean, I'm watching that game. Down 21, nothing deck, can't do anything. The Cowboys offense can't do anything other than a couple passes to Pickens. I'm like, whoo. I escaped that. Do a 360 in my living room. I'm like, oh, no. I benched 30 points from Dak.

[Jason Moore]

Is that what he ended up with?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, over 30. Yeah, it was. It was good. Did you guys see the Schottenheimer comments on the drops from CD Land? Okay, this is going to blow your mind, because this is. I mean, you want to talk about Aaron. Glenn's got to be rolling over in his grave. That is a bed. Because he's still alive. This is a position they're giving up.

[Mike Wright]

It was a more eloquent.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. It was perfection. You want to talk about giving. Giving away trade secrets. Not only is he. I mean, he's.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is he giving up his competitive advantage?

[Andy Holloway]

He's giving up his competitive advantage. He came out and said they're going to still throw the ball to cd and he said, when we start Game planning for Kansas City next week and drawing up plays. I'm going to tell Kansas City right now we're still going to keep throwing the ball to CD Lamb a lot, so watch out. So competitive advantage out the window. He's telling them their game plan.

[Mike Wright]

How can they possibly win?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sorry, Aaron Glenn.

[Jason Moore]

They're still going to throw to CD Yeah. That's crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

News. And notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, let's do this again. Second time in two weeks the Raiders have fired a coordinator. This time, highest paid offensive coordinator in the league, Chip Kelly.

[Mike Wright]

Whoopsie doozles, man.

[Jason Moore]

Never been a fan. Never been a fan. Didn't think this was a good hire.

[Mike Wright]

I have been a fan of the fantasy stuff that he has given us in the past. It did not work.

[Andy Holloway]

You know Pete Carroll. I don't, I don't remember how many years. 14, 17, 112 years he coached for the Seahawks, never once fired a coordinator in season, ever. And now he's done it twice in.

[Jason Moore]

Time is ticking. Two weeks, time is ticking for Pete.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Pete's like, dude, I gotta win now.

[Mike Wright]

No, because Pete's like, I'm going to.

[Jason Moore]

Be rolling over my bed soon.

[Mike Wright]

Whatever you guys do, blame that guy. It's not me they're going to run out.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not the one going to run out of coordinators.

[Andy Holloway]

Classic.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't go hand pick Geno Smith and give him that extension. I hope that was Chip Kelly.

[Jason Moore]

I hope that they go with the language. We fired Geno Smith. I hope it's not cut. I hope it's fired. The Giants also fired their defensive coordinator because when the going gets tough, the coordinators get going.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

The Chiefs sign, which is a shame.

[Andy Holloway]

Because their defense played really well against a very tough offense. I know they gave up the very. And they weren't supposed to be in that game.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like he actually did a good job.

[Jason Moore]

You were going crazy about the field goal situation.

[Andy Holloway]

That. I mean, that was kind of. It was insane to me that they didn't kick a field goal. They were fourth and five. I mean, they were up by a field goal. So if you kick a field goal, first of all, you're, You're. You're playing a tough defense. The fourth and five. The chance that you get that is. Is tough. If you make that field goal, they can't go down and kick a field goal. They have to go all the way down and score a touchdown. Your odds of getting the fourth at five seem sub 50%. Your odds of getting the field goal seem 92%, 98%. It blew my mind that they didn't kick the field goal and had they kicked the field goal because that team barely made it to get a field goal. Barely. And so if they had kicked the field goal, they win that game, period. So that's not the defensive coordinator.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can't say that because obviously they wouldn't have been trying to barely get to a field goal line.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still. I'm fine with it.

[Jason Moore]

Because you complete the pass, you win the game, the game's over with the completed pass.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Damian Pierce, signed by the Chiefs. Texans let him go last week.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

And Joe Mixon, unsurprisingly, not expected to play this year.

[Mike Wright]

Dude, what a weird, weird situation.

[Jason Moore]

It was like. No, because of the ambiguity.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I mean.

[Jason Moore]

If you just came out and said he has a season ending injury in August, does he. That have been helpful.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And then. And then once it was reported, I think it was Rapaport that reported like, okay, Joe Mixon's done for the season. Joe Mixon quote, tweets that and says, you know more about me than I know about me. Like, like.

[Jason Moore]

And the answer is yes, you do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. It really was. It was like, no, no, Joe, I don't think they're talking to you. They're talking to Rapaport.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Rodgers expected to start in week 13. He did not start this past week. Mason Rudolph took over.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe we could. I couldn't tell if that was Mason or not. Oh, the. Because the master of disguise.

[Jason Moore]

It could have been anybody. T. Higgins. This was the one prize picks I missed. T. Higgins, it was. If he comes down with that one.

[Andy Holloway]

Play or if he just doesn't get concussed because they threw it a lot after that.

[Jason Moore]

Probably would have concussion protocol for T. Higgins.

[Mike Wright]

He landed all of his body weight on his face.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's not.

[Mike Wright]

That was a brutal one.

[Jason Moore]

Joe Burrow not. They're not declaring that he will play on Thursday night.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think it's a given. I don't think it's a given that he plays on Thursday either. They've got a window here that allows them one more week of practice reps and get in. Getting out there. I mean, I. Do you rush him back if they. Let's say they come out and they lose this week, do you even bring him back at all?

[Mike Wright]

That's why I'm saying that's why you have to play him. Yeah. That's the weird part.

[Jason Moore]

Your season is. Is super toast if he doesn't play on Thursday.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, if you followed the movement of the lines last week, the expectations, the books certainly thought Joe Burrow was going to play last week.

[Jason Moore]

So do or die against Baltimore, Right? Or wait, what is the Thursday game?

[Mike Wright]

This is competitive advantage.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

It's Baltimore at its finest, man.

[Andy Holloway]

They're three and eight. They're not making the. They're not making the playoffs. If Joe Burrow comes back this week. They're not like, you should not bring Joe Burrow back this year. That's the truth.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We don't know the specifics of the injury.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, sure, if he wants to play football, and I think he does, I'm sure he does.

[Jason Moore]

So. Baker Mayfield sprained his left shoulder. Will undergo an MRI on Monday. My initial worry was when I, when I saw the sling and stuff, I was worried he had, you know, collar blown. Collar. Did you say collar blown?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I did.

[Jason Moore]

I guess that also works. Yeah, the whole deucer's alley's like, what is happening? Concern from Matthew Betts, our injury expert, is a left shoulder subluxation. Oh, good. Give that one a go, Jay.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a subluxation.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Partial dislocation. Same injury back when he was at Cleveland. It was the left shoulder, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

You know, Teddy Bridgewater, the backup, things were bad for the, you know, for a Buka, they weren't good before he left. But.

[Andy Holloway]

That Rams defense, I really do think the Rams are one of the elite, elite teams because you look at the Eagles, that defense is as good, if not better than every, you know, team out there. But their offense struggles. And when I look at the Rams, I'm like, okay, that defense is ferocious. Their defensive line, they're secondary. They don't really have a weakness. Their offense can go up and put up 30 points if they need to.

[Jason Moore]

Alvin Camara, MCL sprain, probably be a couple of weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

It didn't look like it was long term. It wasn't like, you know, a full tear. But he's not going to play this week.

[Jason Moore]

The Raiders, Ashton Genti injured his left ankle late in the game, did not return. Unclear if it was due to the scoreboard. It looks maybe he was escorting out there. Offensive coordinator.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I figured when he went off the field that exactly what happened would happen, which is just like, the game's out of hand. Don't put him back in. But we won't have any idea if this was truly an injury that will keep him gone for multiple weeks or not.

[Jason Moore]

Other three players left and came back. Metcalf with the ankle, Rashi Rice with a hamstring and Jacoby were set with the shoulder, which will monitor. But they came back. So that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote Today at progressive.com, progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy turn limits and conditions.

[Andy Holloway]

This week's fantasy stud muffins presented by Lowe's.

[Jason Moore]

Well, this is the win in Winston. It wasn't the team, it was the fantasy production. The number one score on the week at the quarterback position was Jameis Winston. Slash wide receiver James Winston.

[Mike Wright]

It's also the coolest. That was the coolest play of the year.

[Andy Holloway]

He had two of. He had two of the coolest plays. But yes, you're talking about the reception.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Where he catches the ball and it's not like the Philly Special and all the. Usually when a quarterback catches the touchdown, they're in the end zone.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. They just.

[Jason Moore]

They're wide open or they're wide open.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, and the, the fact that. Was it Oshefsky or. Who was it? Olofsky, Gunnarch.

[Andy Holloway]

What's the name? Gunnar Olshevsky.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no. But, yeah, but I was trying to remember.

[Jason Moore]

He was the one throwing the ball, but it wasn't like, chill, like he had to run through the line of scrimmage and throw on the run and then he broke the tackle and he ends up with 31 fantasy points.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, can that. Is that DB allowed back in work?

[Andy Holloway]

I know James Winston, like James Winston.

[Mike Wright]

Put you into the ground. Are you allowed back in the building?

[Jason Moore]

Do you care about the fantasy production from Winston here or do you expect Dart to be back? I mean, Winston was wild and crazy.

[Andy Holloway]

Winston, as always, Dart's going to be back. So it's pretty irrelevant. I mean, if you have Dart on your roster and you want to roster Jameis Winston just in case. Great. I don't think that if you. If you don't have Dart, there's. He's probably not playing. However, James did come out after the game and say based on that play that he is completely open and willing to play tight end for this team to help them win.

[Jason Moore]

Did he really say.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, of course he said that. He's like, I can go out there, catch, pass. I'll do anything to help this team win. Do you guys remember back in the.

[Jason Moore]

Day.

[Andy Holloway]

When Jameis was participating in the running back drills and he had to run through the it was. You gotta. You gotta look it up.

[Jason Moore]

I remember only James can look that ridiculous. Running through.

[Andy Holloway]

There's all the running backs running through those. That little gauntlet thing where you just kind of hit the pads on both sides, and then James at the back line and he goes and he runs through, and that thing beats the crap out of him.

[Mike Wright]

He's, like, so funny. But that's. He did that, and then he's like, man, I got to get in the weight room.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Jalen Hurts was number two on the week with Dak at number three. So that battle gave you two of the best fantasy quarterbacks. And then shout out to Cam Ward. First finish inside the top 15.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Put together some drives.

[Jason Moore]

It looked good. 28 for 42, 256 and one. You got to remember, he's playing without Ridley, without IO Manor, Chimray. DK has two touchdowns in this game. Gunner Helm had a productive fantasy day, and, you know, for Dynasty. Nasty boy. You know, keep your eye on Gunner Helm. I liked him coming into the draft.

[Andy Holloway]

It wasn't just. Wasn't just him. You want to go real nasty boy. I think the reason that Cam Ward.

[Mike Wright]

I'm watching.

[Andy Holloway]

You're watching it. It's funny, right?

[Jason Moore]

Jameis going through the gauntlet.

[Andy Holloway]

We got to tweet that out. Falcon, get that out.

[Jason Moore]

It's twice as bad as I remember it.

[Mike Wright]

The guy in front of him just goes straight through like you normally.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like they're made of paper.

[Jason Moore]

Retweet this immediately.

[Mike Wright]

Falling back and forth. Almost falls over.

[Andy Holloway]

It's so.

[Jason Moore]

Love you, Jameis.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. So far, cam ord is 100% good games with his college leading wide receiver, Xavier Restrepo.

[Jason Moore]

Well, look, it's good to see he's there. Yes. You need.

[Mike Wright]

You got to see he's their future. Just please show us something so we don't go into next year going, oh, gosh, it's just a wasted year.

[Jason Moore]

He also ran for 37 yards and a touchdown, so he ran a lot more.

[Andy Holloway]

Especially, like, early on in the game, he was using his legs in a way that he hasn't really done enough of, and I was thrilled to see it.

[Jason Moore]

Matthew Stafford keeps it cooking, and he could have done so much more in this game if the game was competitive. It just wasn't at all. I mean, most of his work was done in the first half. He had all three touchdowns in the first half.

[Andy Holloway]

I think 31 points in the first half for the Rams quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Five and fantasy points per game on the season, 25 touchdowns, zero interceptions in the last eight games.

[Mike Wright]

That's freaking Devonte Adams, man. Pretty goal line wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Wild. Yeah. Caleb Williams. Jacoby Brissette also put up good weeks. Quarterbacks with six straight QB1 performances in 2025 include Jacoby Brissette. That's it, dog. I mean he is. I mean, I. I told Jason as we were watching the games this weekend, I might have said it even before. I think that there's a really legitimate chance that Jacoby Brissette's the starting quarterback next year for the Cardinals. And I don't think that's the worst thing in the world because he's turning.

[Andy Holloway]

Michael Wilson into a superstar.

[Jason Moore]

You want Kirk Cousins over him this offseason?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No. You want Joe Flacco? No.

[Mike Wright]

If it's not like if the team is truly done with the Kyler Murray situation, you're not going to. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You can't just.

[Mike Wright]

You can't just turn around and be like, oh hey, you're up. You're. You're now our quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

He's 32.

[Mike Wright]

It does make sense.

[Jason Moore]

They can draft. They could draft sellers or they could draft somebody else in the draft and give them time behind Brissette. Who People bring in Brissette to be sure. The role model for the next man up already. That was like why he ends up on half of these teams.

[Mike Wright]

It's not working very much for Kyler and the team.

[Jason Moore]

Well, no, no, because that was limited.

[Mike Wright]

The.

[Jason Moore]

Jacoby's new. The ship had sailed.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right. But Jacoby has been really, really good for Arizona. He's turned Michael Wilson. He's the only receiver with 10 catches and 100 yards in back to back games of anybody this year other than Puka. That's what he's done. And there's no. The last two games. He doesn't even have Harrison. So. Look, I'm not saying he brings wins to Arizona. I'm saying he brings fantasy consistency to Trey McBride. Likely Harrison.

[Andy Holloway]

Just a watchable offense.

[Mike Wright]

Ah.

[Andy Holloway]

That's all we're asking for. Our bar is very low and Jacoby Brissette is doing it. We can watch that offense. I'll watch that. That's football. That is football.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Jameer Gibbs is good. 49.9 fantasy points. Emmanuel Wilson, number two, Derek Henry. Ashton Genti, James Cook.

[Mike Wright]

How does, how does Emmanuel Wilson's performance make you feel, Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

It makes me feel not good because I had Josh Jacobs. I'm probably going to go oh and two this week unless Brock Purdy goes off and Josh Jacobs is in my little IR spot.

[Jason Moore]

I couldn't help but feel like when Devonte Adams was scoring last night, I knew exactly the implications for you in our league because that was, you know, you're rooting for some other teams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep, yep, I'm rooting for other teams to win and lose. Not just in my matchup, but this wasn't a great week for me. It's not Great. Put up 135 in dynasty against Mike and I will probably lose with the third most points. That's fun.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, the worst part of the week, by bar none for me, was Jameson Williams's disappearing act. That was the most depressing thing ever. He had this huge crossing route for 40 something yards. It got called back. If you want to know why he didn't catch any passes, you might want to look to the 12 targets in 11 for 45 that Gibbs added on top of his two breakaway touchdowns. If you get bonuses for big plays, he's really good at that.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, 219 rushing yards with two breakaway touchdowns is enough completely. And then to add 11 receptions is. That's not fair.

[Jason Moore]

There's only one other running back ever with a 200 yard rushing game and 10 catches in a game. Is that Ladanian Ms. Tomlinson?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, man, I miss him. He was a cheat code.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So Emmanuel Wilson was 28 for 107 and 2, Derek Henry. I got some video from Boots on the ground of Vermont. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I retweeted it before the day.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And you knew what that meant.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Ashton Genty ends up 17 for 50. But the big deal here, eight targets, eight for 58 and one.

[Andy Holloway]

Offensive coordinator change. So we'll see how that factors in. But it is nice the fact that since the bye week. Five targets, five targets, eight targets, eight targets. That's what you want to see for fantasy goodness with Genti, especially if he's on a not great offense. He can't just be the ball carrier. He needs to be involved in the receiving him. I mean that's a 93 reception pace over the last four weeks.

[Jason Moore]

And Judkins in the same game had two touchdowns. He went out hurt, didn't he?

[Mike Wright]

Did he Judkins? Yeah, Judkins did.

[Jason Moore]

I mean you had. You know I was the only person on the planet that started Dylan Sampson in a lineup.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, congratulations.

[Jason Moore]

I knew that sweet screen pass touchdown was coming from Shador but James Cook, Travis Etn great again. And then Cream Hunt 30 carries for 104. 30. That reminds me of an old school. That's a Cedric Benson line right there.

[Mike Wright]

That I mean in Andy. An Andy Reid team. A dude with 30 carries.

[Jason Moore]

And of course they won. Yeah of course they won.

[Andy Holloway]

That was so the Colts.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they won the Colts also.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I would agree with that.

[Jason Moore]

It was coming way too soon. Indy played the Cardinals not lose offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then they lost.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Kenny Gainwell 10 for 92. Six targets. He had a. He had basically two touch. He had two touchdowns called so impressive by Gainwell even with Jalen Warren he.

[Andy Holloway]

Did out snap and out target Warren.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think Warren had zero Also going back to Judkins. I forgot they should door just came off the field for those plays. Yeah, they just direct snap to Judkins on them. Chase Brown 19 for 107 most looks like the Hater 8 over there from the Deucers in their price picks lineup. Didn't work out.

[Andy Holloway]

Did not work.

[Jason Moore]

Also how did you get out of.

[Andy Holloway]

We were wondering this.

[Jason Moore]

We were wondering this.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, what you got out of building a lineup so you literally couldn't be shamed.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because you missed the show. I was shamed because I missed the show. You get out of the position.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we thought that was a little.

[Mike Wright]

To be fair to your like maybe.

[Jason Moore]

You should go down with the I gave months notice.

[Andy Holloway]

No no, no, that's fine.

[Mike Wright]

I'm just saying why not a 30 minutes late. Oh, I'm not going to make it.

[Andy Holloway]

Forget my situation.

[Mike Wright]

He's punching back.

[Andy Holloway]

How did you. He's punching back. How did you get out of even the potential like usually we Submit a lineup.

[Mike Wright]

Did the Deucers lose?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, we all won.

[Mike Wright]

What are we talking about here?

[Andy Holloway]

Goodness gracious. For a little while.

[Jason Moore]

That's fine. Oh, well.

[Mike Wright]

So Chase Brown. I believe that's the most rushing hours against the Patriots all year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was good. We'll see who their quarterback is next year.

[Mike Wright]

It's. It's weird, man. Chase Brown was just. He was toast. He was absolutely toast. And then as soon as Flacco got in there, he's been awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you scared about having Burrow Joe Burrow?

[Jason Moore]

JSN is so good.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh my gosh. He's on pace for 20, 29 yards, which no wide receivers ever hit 2,000 yards before.

[Jason Moore]

He was 8 for 167 and 2. He said 11 plus fantasy points in every single game. It's wild. There's only been four to ever do that or three other ones. Adams, Antonio Brown, Michael Thomas. This. This is just.

[Andy Holloway]

He has not had a game outside the top 10. Not like a decent like top 10 wide receiver on the week since week four.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's. He's accounted for 47% of the yards for the team in the receiving game. It.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, it's like.

[Jason Moore]

It's amazing.

[Mike Wright]

Waldron saw this guy and was like, nah, you know what? Screen passes, everything close to line, scrimmage. That's what we got to do with this. He doesn't got it. This guy doesn't got what we need. Freaking insane.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, a moment, I think for you to focus upon this next name.

[Andy Holloway]

Wandale.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think you spent four weeks not saying his name.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, look, so Wandale, I was saying.

[Jason Moore]

This while we were watching targets 9.

[Andy Holloway]

For 156 and used down the field. It's very similar to the JSN thing where it's like, obviously they had the change at head coach and so we've got a new kind of offensive system happening here in New York. And it's wonderful because usually what they do with Wanda Robinson, it was not a tackle breaker, but is very good at getting open. So they have him get open behind the line of scrimmage, throw him the ball and then get tackled. It's like use him down the field. And they did 14 targets, nine for 156 and one. Jameis was just.

[Jason Moore]

There are two games this year where he's a top five receiver, Wanda. In both of them, 17 plus yards per catch. You got to remember the previous four weeks, nine, 11 and 11 targets. So you're like awesome. Wide receiver. 32, 32, 48.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So this was a big difference.

[Andy Holloway]

Obviously this is a Jameis Winston game, so hopefully they can see some of this. There was also. Darius Slayton came out, caught the first pass, tweaked his hamstring, was out for a lot of the game. He did come back later in the game.

[Jason Moore]

We were so confused.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It was really. It was like why Slayton missed most of the game. So that was somewhat helpful. I mean, do you buy into Wandale next week? Jackson dart back. Are you plugging them in your lineup like the same way that, you know.

[Jason Moore]

I mean I think Wandell's definitely. He's in the same tier as like starting in Alec Pierce, which is not bad. You're going to have. I mean the targets are crazy. So if you can give me a guaranteed nine targets, which seems like you'll get.

[Andy Holloway]

You should usually start that player.

[Jason Moore]

Almond Ross. St. Brown was awesome. George Pickens, incredible. He's tied with Puka for number two fancy points per game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Jason Moore]

He is on pace for a bag of cash. I projected him out over the season and it was a bag of cash.

[Andy Holloway]

He has over 1000 yards already.

[Mike Wright]

Wide receiver filthy rich.

[Andy Holloway]

Next year on the year on pace for 1600 yards, 12 touchdowns. And unlike his usual like you know, that's on 79 catches. On pace for 103 receptions.

[Jason Moore]

Just because he totally can do that.

[Mike Wright]

This manimal plays too.

[Jason Moore]

It's on a regular basis. It's great. Here he is, A.J. brown.

[Mike Wright]

Hey.

[Jason Moore]

Ten targets, eight for one.

[Mike Wright]

Ten and one.

[Jason Moore]

Had another one that he couldn't get the foot down. It would have been a second touchdown. There you are. There you are, Peter.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

DJ Moore, Devonte Adams, Rashi Rice, all big weeks. And let's shout out Michael Wilson while we can. 15 more targets, 10 for 118.

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, again we talked about it. And Parker Washington five for 71 and one. Another great game for we are in.

[Mike Wright]

Year three of Michael Wilson and they've never once tried to do this.

[Jason Moore]

If Michael Wilson's dad was as loud as Marvin Harrison, maybe he we would have heard from him.

[Mike Wright]

So this is pretty wild, guys. I'm looking. So last year, 2024, Michael Wilson finished the year with 71 targets for 47 receptions, 548 yards. This year currently has 71 targets, 47 receptions for 534 yards.

[Jason Moore]

That's wild.

[Andy Holloway]

How did wrap it up?

[Mike Wright]

How does this possibly happen to Kobe.

[Andy Holloway]

Brissette and Marvin Harrison being gone?

[Jason Moore]

And I wouldn't really fully sit him down just because Harrison comes back.

[Mike Wright]

No, I think he's going to be.

[Jason Moore]

In contention for some. Some of these matchups for a flex play.

[Andy Holloway]

He very well might be, but he's not. He will move to the third target because obviously McBride and Harrison will be one and two.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we have top five tight end scores of the week. Jason, your start of the week was the number one tight end on the week. Seven for one fifteen and one. Hunter Henry. We watched this game with just. It was just like Hooper, Henry. Hooper, Henry.

[Andy Holloway]

I was. I was on the one prize picks projection that I missed was the digs fantasy score and I kept waiting for them to throw, I don't know to any wide receiver. I mean unnecessary. The Bengals are so bad at guarding tight ends. They're just like, oh, I'll just keep throwing it to the tight ends. That's easy.

[Jason Moore]

It's wild. Henry was awesome. Colston Loveland was my start of the week, you know. So our start of the weeks were one and two.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

Four for 49 and one. Trey McBride was third. Colby Parkinson. Sin who you know it's not Ferguson, it's Parkinson. S taken over in Los Angeles. And then Britain Strange back from injury. 5 for 93.

[Mike Wright]

Something to pay attention to and friend of the show JJ Zachary Sin tweeted out that this was Loveland's highest route participation since Cole Comet has been bad.

[Andy Holloway]

And I hate that I am so upset about what I saw because Luther Burden was very involved.

[Mike Wright]

Luther Burden.

[Andy Holloway]

He was also very. The offense looks great. They're winning games. I know why you're so happy for the Bears fans.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. For. This is a Roma dunes but Roma Dunes. Yeah, this is a Jason Trader for him two weeks ago.

[Andy Holloway]

It feels bad. Did you. Do you know who our starts of the week were at? Running back Mike. Please tell me in honor of you being gone. Our starts of the week were Trayvon Henderson and Kenneth Walker. Your juice. Both. Both top 20 backs this week.

[Jason Moore]

They were.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Awesome. Was it just me who thought Henderson scored on that one play and they should have challenged it? I was. I was watching from a.

[Andy Holloway]

It was debatable.

[Mike Wright]

I was at like you know I'm at a like a sports.

[Jason Moore]

That wasn't the Jennings goal line carry. That was something else.

[Andy Holloway]

No, before the.

[Mike Wright]

There was one where Hendo looked. He looked like he got.

[Andy Holloway]

It was on one of their 20 goal line play that they still never.

[Jason Moore]

Against the Bengals.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What also I got. I told you I can't control what Vrabel does. He does weird.

[Jason Moore]

There's a lot of Jennings on the goal line. Then Ramon Dre's back. It's going to be a little bumpy.

[Andy Holloway]

All the first opportunities were Henderson. Henderson didn't get in. Then they're like, okay, let's try Ramon Dre. Ramondra doesn't get in. Okay, let's try Jennings. Why can't we. How about the Fagels?

[Mike Wright]

Henderson does it. How about that?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, we'll move on to Duds.

[Andy Holloway]

Hooped in his big boy pants.

[Jason Moore]

We need to have a conversation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Because we watched Lamar Jackson this weekend, 13 for 23 for 153. Second straight week with what, like 10, 11 yards rushing.

[Mike Wright]

What they had. They had like 80 yards against the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, the last half or so.

[Andy Holloway]

They were down to the jets for a long time. But we were talking about. Lamar does not look the same. He's been on the injury report, missing practices. He's hurt, he's. There are so many plays where you watch him and you're like, oh, that's a Lamar play. Why didn't he take it? Why didn't he. Why didn't he run? Why didn't he go? Why didn't he take the outside?

[Jason Moore]

There was one specific we were watching where he. He had the first down on the outside and he cut it up for no reason. Like, he. It was clear to me he didn't think he had the speed to get to the outside. The last four weeks, rushing 5 for 14, 9 for 36, 4 for 10, 7 for 11. That directly translates to his quarterback 15, 29 and 23 finishes. He has one passing touchdown. In the last three weeks, he has not surpassed 200 yards. And now you get. I mean, you got Cincinnati this Thursday, then you get Pittsburgh, then you get Cincinnati again, and then you finish your fantasy playoffs with New England and Green Bay. That seems a little bit frightening.

[Andy Holloway]

You're just going. I mean, the truth.

[Jason Moore]

You better get healthy, Lamar.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to end up riding Lamar and he's either going to get healthy or you're going to be bounced. Right.

[Jason Moore]

There's no alternative.

[Mike Wright]

I would not move.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I know Jacoby Brissette alternative.

[Andy Holloway]

So Jacoby Brissette is the.

[Jason Moore]

I saw that question. Multiple weeks. That question.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the Jacoby verse. Brissette is the name where maybe with Lamar's injuries, you. You picked someone else up. Maybe if it was, you know, a couple weeks ago, maybe you got Jackson dart and you're rolling those two guys on a roster. You know, some weeks you're going to. But you just said, I Mean, two of the next three weeks he plays Cincinnati. You're not going to not play Lamar in either of those games. So I really do think in the end, it's, it's like you're just holding your breath and you're hoping he gets healthy and gets back to doing Lamar.

[Jason Moore]

Things for the first time in his career. No touchdowns of any kind in back to back weeks for Lamar. That's crazy. And the Ravens have won five in a row, so there you go. Josh Allen. You know, we saw it. Houston seems to be his kryptonite. Jordan Love.

[Andy Holloway]

Houston's everybody's kryptonite. They haven't given up a QB1 performance all year.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's wild. Jordan Love. 14 for 21 against Minnesota for just 139 yards. That's not good. And we're hoping that we get Jaden Reed back because he's. His practice window opened up. I don't know if we reported that here on the show. Jaden Reed's practice window. He is out there practicing. Oh, boy.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, one good quarter.

[Jason Moore]

J.J. mcCarthy. Oh, 12 for 19 for 87 passing yards.

[Mike Wright]

Guys, I'm getting concerned.

[Jason Moore]

I think you were getting concerned when you traded JJ away last week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, not McCarthy. Justin Jefferson.

[Jason Moore]

I. I mean, I think he's bad.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, look, you want to.

[Jason Moore]

Everyone, everyone. The Devil's advocate is going to be six games.

[Andy Holloway]

Six games.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. You want to give quarterbacks, especially more than six games before you make a final definitive decision on does that guy have it? Can he be a franchise quarterback? Can he be a starter? But as of right now, this is tragically. This, this. It's not just, wow, man, it's not going well. This is tragically bad.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And you don't want to see the comparisons.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. Tell the jamarcus Russell comparison. First six career games.

[Jason Moore]

You want me to go line by line?

[Andy Holloway]

Well.

[Jason Moore]

Or do you. Or you want me to talk about.

[Andy Holloway]

Him being Marcus Russell has more yards.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Anthony Amico tweeted.

[Andy Holloway]

Fewer interceptions, better completion percentage, a much better passer rate, took fewer sacks. Pretty much across the board is better than JJ McCarthy's first six.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, McCarthy's thrown three times the interceptions of Jamarcus. Russell McCarthy now ranks 851 out of eight in EPA per drop back among passers only Jamarcus is worse. You need to. Again, it's six games and this is Green Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Anthony Richardson, that'll be the excuse because.

[Jason Moore]

Jalen hurts looked terrible against Green Bay. But ooh, I mean, this is unacceptably Bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Anthony Richardson last year threw for 57% completion percentage. And that was like, so bad. You just can't do that in the NFL and be an NFL quarterback. That's so much better than what JJ McCarthy is throwing for so far.

[Jason Moore]

It's compounded. And again, last week it was, I'm sorry, Raiders fans. And you all got on board and agreed this week it's going to be, I'm sorry, Vikings fans, because you're at the basement of your division, you're going to stay there for now. I mean, huge win by Chicago. Detroit's great. Green Bay is better than you. They proved it. But the problem is that it's compounded by letting Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold walk out of your locker room.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And it also just validates like the. There was a panic attack happening and I feel like it permeated from some beat reporters and people in Minnesota through a game, through two games, it was like, oh, like, is Max Brosmer going to get opportunities two games into your career? You wondered. McCarthy didn't come back quickly from injury. Remember, it was like, oh, it had a little Trey Lance feel to it. It's like, oh, let's, let's put a literally broken Carson Wentz onto the field and not a healthy McCarthy because we got to work on the footwork and we got to get things going before we get him out there.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks like a guy who has an NFL caliber arm. Like, if he was just in a backyard and he's throwing a football, he'd be like, oh, okay, that guy's that guy. He must be an NFL quarterback. But then he gets in the pocket and they take the snap and he has no idea what to do.

[Jason Moore]

If you were to hire one coach to fix him, it would be Kevin o', Connell, and he's not fixing him.

[Mike Wright]

Kevin o' Connell has gotten workable performances from guys like Josh Dobbs. Yep. Nick Mullins.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. There's more.

[Mike Wright]

There's a laundry list. There's more of quarterbacks that. Where you're just like that. Guys who.

[Jason Moore]

Not Kellen Mond.

[Mike Wright]

But yeah. And it. I mean, we got. We got to change this guy's number.

[Jason Moore]

This is.

[Andy Holloway]

I completely. He can't be nine anymore.

[Mike Wright]

We have to forcibly remove his number.

[Jason Moore]

Double zero.

[Mike Wright]

That's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

I think that's probably a bad mental. Give him 11. 11 or something.

[Jason Moore]

The problem is that McCarthy in his own right, that's a whole discussion. And then for our show and for the fantasy community, I mean, I saw all the addison and the J.J. i mean, like Justin Jefferson's been deleted from the earth. We have seen this with hall of Fame wide receivers in the past. Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald went into quarterback purgatory in Arizona. Remind me, what was his stinking name? Skelton. John Skelton.

[Mike Wright]

It was Skelton. And then Anderson, the guy from Cleveland.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can delete a player.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year going into the season, I was. I was down. I was down on Justin Jefferson because of. We have seen this many times in the past. Even, even first ballot hall of Famers when they don't have a quarterback, they can't be a top five fantasy wide receiver. It wasn't like Larry forgot how to play. Obviously, later in his career. He got a better quarterback in Carson Palmer or in Kurt Warner and he was fantastic. No, it turns out. It turns out that the issue is still quarterback and Sam Darnold was actually good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It wasn't that he overcame Sam Darnold last year or lifted Sam Darnold up completely by himself. Sam Darnold's a pretty good quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Calvin Johnson in 2009 was held to like 900 yards and five touchdowns. He had Orlovsky and Drew Stanton at quarterback. We've seen this happen before. We had sub thousand yard years from Andre Johnson because he had Ryan Mallet in case Keenum at quarterback. We talked about Larry Fitzgerald. We've had that.

[Mike Wright]

Hopkins too. Remember Hopkins had that one year where it was like, oh, is Deandre Hopkins not good.

[Jason Moore]

Steve Smith, hall of famer, 550 yards with Jimmy Clawson. That's where you're at right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

So are you afraid for Dynasty? I mean, we were. We were putting the Dynasty wide receivers in order yesterday. And we're going, okay, yeah. Jamar Chase, I think he belongs at the tippy top. But how? Jsn, jjsn jj. One of them's got a quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I would take Jason over Jefferson for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And then do you Almond Ra? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Over Jefferson.

[Mike Wright]

The Vikings will have a chance to do something, but I mean, your options are going to be very, very limited.

[Jason Moore]

Letting go is wild.

[Andy Holloway]

This is going to be so disgusting. But.

[Mike Wright]

But at the same time, not letting Darnold go after the complete collapse at the end of the year. If you had held on to him, people would have lost their minds too.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to be so stinking upset when Kyler is a Viking next year and is great. I'm going to be like, this is.

[Jason Moore]

This is what happens though, when you spend the draft capital that you did on J.J. mcCarthy because you felt handcuffed. Okay, let's. If McCarthy doesn't exist, Daniel Jones is the starter of this team. Yes. You let, you let, you let Darnold go. If you're mad about the playoffs, Even though they were 14 or 2 in the regular season or whatever, 14 and 3, then Daniel Jones is your next man up because he goes and he's the starter in Indianapolis. But you can't do that because you can't pay him because you've got the. Oh, my gosh, the rookie contract for McCarthy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I believe Jones chose to leave like, I think the. If I remember, because you, of course.

[Jason Moore]

You chose to leave because you're getting a backup contract to play behind.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he was. It was. Where do you think you can end up being the starter?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for me, he chose wisely. Although he would have also chosen wisely, right? I mean.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, he would. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It was Richardson or McCarthy.

[Andy Holloway]

If he were.

[Mike Wright]

If Daniel Jones were the backup, he would have been starting as soon as McCarthy got hurt. Daniel Jones would have had the job.

[Jason Moore]

And he never would have given it back.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. All right, we'll take a break. We'll talk running back duds. Big name at the top.

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[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, this.

[Jason Moore]

This is very.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Jonathan Taylor. Oh, this is 100% appropriate. I mean, you can't. He has the biggest pants.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

So 16 for 15.

[Mike Wright]

You know those. The clown pants where they got the.

[Jason Moore]

Hoop you can fit two people in. Yeah, that's DJ Giddens climbs in the pants with him.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm in there. I'm in there, buddy. I'm in.

[Mike Wright]

You're in. You're in Taylor's pants, huh?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

They're full of dude who. It's not nice in here. I mean, he was the running back. 24 so far.

[Jason Moore]

I knew you were going to say that. That isn't appropriate. That's why I had to set it all up with how big his pants are. Yeah, you got to play Houston next week. That's not great.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not great.

[Jason Moore]

But I mean, he's Jonathan Taylor. So just.

[Andy Holloway]

Just Seattle, San Francisco and Jacksonville in the playoffs. We talked about how difficult his schedule was down the stretch and we said, well, you know what? It's not. It just doesn't matter. I mean, he also can be okay. The running back one against a decent run defense two weeks ago. So, yeah, I think you just got to keep playing him.

[Jason Moore]

Saquon Barkley, 10 for 22 against Dallas. He did catch seven passes. His runs were two. Negative 1-272-11512. Maybe. Maybe Dallas's front seven is what we. What they're trying to build Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams next to each other. It's stopping the run. That's what they wanted to do. I. Look, I would never give Jerry Jones any credit other than for looking ancient, but they. Their defense is better. Like we kind of talked about it last week. I thought about playing them against the Raiders. It was a bad start to the game, but then they got it together. They literally. The defense won the game for him. When you get down 21, nothing and you don't give up another point and.

[Mike Wright]

Quinn and did because he got banged up, it sounds like he's saying he will play.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he got a. He took a pretty big shot to the ribs.

[Andy Holloway]

I believe that was Saquon. Yeah, Saquon.

[Jason Moore]

Just.

[Andy Holloway]

I've always wondered that with like you saw Scatter Boo doing this when you do the little, oh, I'm going to give a chip block, just freaking spear the guy in the ribs.

[Mike Wright]

I know it's a little bit dirty.

[Andy Holloway]

A little dirty. But this is a violent game. You're playing to put the other guy on their back.

[Jason Moore]

Kyron Williams, 12 for 46. This was a disappointment in a game.

[Mike Wright]

That got, you know, it's weird.

[Jason Moore]

Put away quickly. You would think he would have had more production. Sean Tucker 12 for 42. A let down from your expectations and hopes. But it was that game again and.

[Andy Holloway]

The Rams is very, very difficult.

[Jason Moore]

Deandre Swift, who played fewer snaps than Menangai also didn't score and also was 8 for 15.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, this was super fumble.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And then I got more snaps.

[Andy Holloway]

Super interesting. What's going on with the Bears is they are taking their youth and putting them forward more and more.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, this was a week with Burden and Loveland.

[Andy Holloway]

Burden, Loveland and Manangai all kind of usurped their previous roles while starters are healthy and it worked and they won.

[Jason Moore]

Kias and commit and Swift. Yeah, not so much.

[Andy Holloway]

So I'm very like binoculars on the Bears right now next week to see does this continue? Does this, you know, is this going to stretch towards the playoffs with them getting more youth involved? It's, it's interesting. Man, you've got to be excited.

[Jason Moore]

How many weeks in a row has Manangay scored? Is it four? At least three? Three straight. Okay. Jason, where are you with the invisibility cloak tossed upon David Montgomery?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't think you were here yet. I was talking about it this morning with the guys. Like, I can't start David Montgomery anymore. Jameer Gibbs is too good for them to take them off the field. I think that their offense took a step back and so to take a step forward requires Jameer Gibbs. They're like, okay, all right. We were going to try to, you know, save them up, but you asked for this. And now Jameer Gibbs is just taking so much work and it works. And my only hope is, you know, something that gives me spit.

[Mike Wright]

Wins the lottery and he's not playing football. No.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that he wins the lottery and says, I'm going to take that.

[Jason Moore]

Gets on the wrong plane and ends up in the wrong city for a week.

[Andy Holloway]

David. David Montgomery is a, is a league winning insurance option and that's it.

[Mike Wright]

Is he?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, absolutely. If Gibbs went down And Monty was the whole shebang there. He would be. He wouldn't do what Gibbs did last year.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

He'd be down 12.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he would. He'd be a unexpected running back. One added to a roster, which again.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, I appreciate you not letting him speak of that. Travion was 18 for 66.

[Andy Holloway]

What, like that's. This isn't poop.

[Mike Wright]

Why is brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

He had 65%, I guess when you.

[Mike Wright]

In that matchup.

[Jason Moore]

In that matchup, without the momentum.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Running back 20. It's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Why does Ramondra have two carries inside the five? What are we doing?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, I will not. I will not allow you to be upset at that. Because the. If you want to. The answer of why he got those carries is because Henderson didn't get in the end zone when he got the opportunity.

[Mike Wright]

Henderson was one carry inside the fight.

[Andy Holloway]

He.

[Mike Wright]

And he got three yards.

[Andy Holloway]

I think some of them might have got called back because he. He was down there.

[Jason Moore]

Some of them had. Some of them were innings.

[Mike Wright]

No, Trayvon Henderson had the one carry I was talking about where I thought he scored. Pushed two guys out of the way, almost scores, gets three yards, and we're giving Ramon Dre two carries for nothingness. It's just so dumb.

[Andy Holloway]

He's bigger.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And that always works.

[Jason Moore]

Wide receivers, these are. These are bad, bad, bad conversations. I mean, these are not small names. Justin Jefferson, Emeka Bucha, Roma Dunes A. Jameson, Willie.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Hello, darkness. What? Hello, darkness, My old friend. Everything about that game against the Giants told me that Jameson Williams was going to be involved. They were down. And then. And then suddenly in the middle of the game, I turned to Jason. I was like, do they. Do they trust him for a comeback? Because they trusted Amon Ra a whole lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

No. And Abuka, what is he going to be rest of the year if we miss some weeks with Baker?

[Andy Holloway]

Not great.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, the Rams are awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Teddy went to him. But it really is a matter of. I think Teddy will be fine and Abuka will be fine in light matchups. But against the Rams, that was just too much for. For Teddy.

[Jason Moore]

Two gloves and Mecca Abuka has no weeks between wide receiver 8 and 24. He's either top seven first or your last, or you are like a disappearing act.

[Andy Holloway]

What's crazy is you look at his last five games, and four of five have been duds. And yet he hasn't had fewer than eight targets in any of them.

[Jason Moore]

No. And he's still leading all rookies in yards and in touchdowns. And despite the struggles. And now Godwin's back. I really am.

[Mike Wright]

He has more yards than tet.

[Jason Moore]

He did as of the pre. He did last night when they're reporting.

[Andy Holloway]

It on the game and Ted hasn't played yet.

[Jason Moore]

Who's that?

[Mike Wright]

Sorry, everyone. Sorry. Sorry, Mr. McMillan. Sorry, Mr. McMillAN, for shortening your name. Let's see.

[Andy Holloway]

It's really Mrs. McMillan because the reason he doesn't like it is because he feels like he's disrespecting his mama.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, what is your opinion of that situation? If you have a name, if you're born with a name that can be shortened, I feel like I should have to accept all possible variants without offense.

[Andy Holloway]

That's my opinion on everybody. You might not prefer it, but. Yeah, like if I call.

[Jason Moore]

You know, if you call Michael Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, and you don't like that, Deal with it. Like when I used to call Adrian Peterson, sometimes I would call him A.P.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I know.

[Andy Holloway]

His nickname was A.D. right? Like, come on. But you see how I got there, right?

[Jason Moore]

Those are initials. And you hate. Do you hate Jer? No, I don't hate it. Oh, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I like Jay better.

[Jason Moore]

You like Jay better? That's my name. Called Jason Jay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Yeah. I hate when people call you Jay.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you do? Yeah, I do that sometimes.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know you do. And I look up every time because it's like Jay.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, because you're just. You're like. That should be about me.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. And he's Jeremy.

[Jason Moore]

Like if Mike wanted to be called Michael but somebody called him Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

How dare you.

[Jason Moore]

You can't be offended. You can tell me you prefer it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because I mean, Michael is. That's about as basic of it. No, that one Cataro is actually like. That's a cool name.

[Jason Moore]

I don't want to be called Drew.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

I don't like that one sound. Is that one legit?

[Mike Wright]

I'm just remembering my brother in law. His name is Randall. If you call him Randy. Oh, he loses his mind.

[Jason Moore]

Does he really?

[Andy Holloway]

That's a different name though.

[Jason Moore]

No, Randall Randy. I mean, come on.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, you see how we got there?

[Jason Moore]

You see how we got there? So he doesn't like Randy.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you know, there you go. What do you call Jameson Williams? I know.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And you know what's going to happen?

[Andy Holloway]

He's going to go off against Green Bay on. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to do something big against Green Bay. I don't know, man. It's one play. He's a one play guy.

[Mike Wright]

Save it for Dallas.

[Jason Moore]

It's so overwhelmingly frustrating. I told Jason, I don't care about my matchups this week. I don't care that my starts of the week did well. I don't care that anything I said was good or bad. All I care about is the fact that this dude who had just put together four out of five great weeks, who was my guy at the beginning of the year, is, don't goose. That's what I kept saying from the first quarter. Just don't goose. Then he has a big play and.

[Andy Holloway]

We'Re like, yes, he had a couple. He had a player. It's like, okay, no goose call back. Then later, huge play, huge play. Callback.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like, ah, not his week. I don't want to go past Roma Dunes A because I don't know what to do with them. And I need your, your two expertise on this. Roma Dunes A in the first month of the season was incredible. I mean, he looked like he was going to be a top five wide receiver. He was on pace for 21 touchdowns and 1200 yards. Since that bye week, he has had two good games and five bad games.

[Jason Moore]

I haven't looked at this. This log in a while.

[Andy Holloway]

Pays for 867 yards and two touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. One touchdown since the buy in seven.

[Mike Wright]

Games the first month was. I mean, he was running way too hot. You can't. We're putting up 37 yards, 62 yards, 69 yards and put up a touchdown in each of those games. That's too hot. It's like a buka at the beginning of the year.

[Jason Moore]

Too hot for expectations.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And the.

[Jason Moore]

So then the answer is what? The answer is you'd rather have Roma Dunes A.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, should I be starting Michael Pittman over Rome every week generically?

[Jason Moore]

This is a real question.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a real question because this is my Chris Olave, Roma Dunes A and Michael Pittman. Those are. I've got to start two of those three every week. And I thought Rome was locked in.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. My heart wants to tell you to just keep going to Rome because he's obviously got more the talents that give you those big games.

[Mike Wright]

On the road against Philly, on the.

[Jason Moore]

Road against Green Bay.

[Mike Wright]

At home against Cleveland. At home against Green Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you look at his schedule before? No, I didn't look at his schedule. He was the wide receiver 10. He was a second year breakout. I just went and got my guy.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Then I tried to trade you for him and you could have gotten Jameson. Yeah, well, that would have been the most Me and you trade ever. Because Jameson on fire. And this week, I give him to you, and he gooses. Yeah. Alec Pierce, one for 26. That was a dud game. You could kind of see it coming Against Kansas City, I actually played Slayton over him, so I did nothing for myself. Christian Watson, five for 49. Okay, Romeo, duds here. Just two for 23 and digs, two for 20. Kelsey Goddard. Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts, two catches.

[Mike Wright]

Kelsey had stupid.

[Jason Moore]

Playing him is.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, in a game where I played him, I picked him up and I played him. I played him over Mark Andrews, which.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, one for nine.

[Andy Holloway]

Jesus.

[Jason Moore]

Two for 25.

[Andy Holloway]

But they both stung.

[Mike Wright]

Andrews drop that touchdown or did the DB knock it out?

[Jason Moore]

Jason called it a drop when he watched.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he dropped it. I thought live that it was knocked out, and then the other angle was like. No, that was just drop.

[Jason Moore]

It's weird to think that a game involving, you know, this is the Lamar story, right? Like, Mark Andrews, one catch. Isaiah likely, one catch. So the tight ends didn't do anything, but also the receivers didn't do anything, but also Lamar didn't do anything.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

Disagree.

[Mike Wright]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

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