Week 12 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead, The Crushed Soul of Jason

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Week 12 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead, The Crushed Soul of Jason

Release Date: November 19, 2019

In this episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve deep into Week 12 waiver strategies, analyze recent NFL performances, and discuss player injuries and streaming options. Despite Jason Moore's limited participation, the trio ensures comprehensive coverage to aid listeners in making informed fantasy football decisions.

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1. Producer Borland’s Car Accident

Timestamp: 04:07 - 06:20

The episode opens with the hosts addressing a recent incident involving their producer, Borland. Mike Wright shares the unfortunate news that Borland was involved in a car accident after an anniversary dinner in Arizona. The car was severely damaged after colliding with a herd of javelina (wild boars). Fortunately, both Borland and his wife emerged unharmed, though their vehicle was destroyed.

Mike Wright:
"If you don't know what javelina is, it's a wild boar. Because I realize people outside of this state don't know that."
(02:14)

Jason Moore:
"Just think about Pumbaa."
(05:50)

This segment underscores the importance of safety and community support within the Fantasy Footballers' listener base, offering both humor and empathy in the face of mishaps.

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2. Player Injury Updates and Evaluations

Timestamp: 06:22 - 17:17

The hosts provide comprehensive updates on key player injuries affecting Week 12:

• Tyree Kill (Chiefs):
  Sidelined with a hamstring injury, impacting the Chiefs' offensive dynamics. Andy notes,
  "They need Tyree Kill back. Obviously they're going to buy week now this week."
  (08:29)

• Philip Rivers (Chargers):
  Facing challenges with consistency and game performance. Andy emphasizes,
  "He does not seem like there's any player that stepped up in his absence."
  (08:47)

• Deontay Johnson (Steelers):
  Dealing with concussions, creating uncertainty around his availability.

• Robert Woods (Rams):
  Still out due to personal matters, with expectations of Brandon Cooks returning for Week 12.

• James Conner (Bengals):
  Questionable due to a separated shoulder, raising concerns about potential re-injuries.

Notable Insights:

• Jonathan Williams vs. Naim Hines:
  A heated debate emerges regarding which running back to prioritize. Jason advocates for Jonathan Williams due to his explosive potential, while Andy prefers Naim Hines for his guaranteed pass-catching role.

  Jason Moore:
  "I think I would grab Darrell Williams if I have that spot and I would just stick him on the bench because maybe Shady McCoy is back."
  (29:37)

• Devonte Parker:
  Highlighted for his breakout performance with 7 receptions for 135 yards against Buffalo, making him a prime waiver wire target.

  Jason Moore:
  "Devonte Parker actually shows up. But it's great to see."
  (20:24)

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3. Waiver Wire Recommendations

Timestamp: 18:31 - 35:54

a. Wide Receivers:

• Devonte Parker (Chiefs):
  Recognized for his impressive Week 12 performance, making him the top waiver pick.

  Andy Holloway:
  "He has not finished below the wide receiver 36 on a single week."
  (21:20)

• Russell Gage (Atlanta):
  A 3% owned player facing Tampa Bay, offering a high upside against a defense that struggles against wide receivers.

  Mike Wright:
  "If Hooper's out, I think Gage is interesting against Tampa."
  (22:16)

• James Washington (Bengals):
  Valuable if both Juju Smith-Schuster and Deontay Johnson are out, providing ample targets against a weakened Bengals defense.

  Andy Holloway:
  "If both those guys are out and he's alone against the Bengals, he's going to have enough targets."
  (23:53)

b. Tight Ends:

• Ryan Griffin (Bengals):
  Highlighted for his consistent performances and favorable matchups in the coming weeks.

  Mike Wright:
  "He's my favorite pickup at the position."
  (38:25)

• Noah Fant (Seahawks):
  Showing increased involvement after Emmanuel Sanders' decline, making him a strong contender for pickups.

  Jason Moore:
  "He's very interesting. It's tough."
  (39:37)

• Jacob Hollister (Jets - AKA Abercrombie):
  Noted for his strong performances when given opportunities, particularly under Russell Wilson's leadership.

  Jason Moore:
  "Hollister showed out the last two games."
  (40:23)

c. Running Backs:

• Jonathan Williams (Colts):
  Emerging as a reliable option with a potential high-volume role if Marlon Mack remains sidelined.

  Jason Moore:
  "I would grab Jonathan Williams."
  (32:54)

• Darius Geist (Detroit):
  While Detroit's defense is questionable, Geist presents a decent option against a struggling opponent.

  Jason Moore:
  "I think I would prioritize Darius Geist."
  (36:21)

d. Quarterbacks:

• Derek Carr (Raiders):
  Recommended as a safe streaming option against the Jets, with good matchups and solid offensive support.

  Mike Wright:
  "Solid safe streamer Derek Carr."
  (46:35)

• Baker Mayfield (Colts):
  Considered a viable streaming option against the Dolphins due to their low pressure and sack rate.

  Andy Holloway:
  "He's got a clean pocket for Baker."
  (47:05)

• Sam Darnold (Jets):
  Improved performance in recent games makes Darnold a potential streaming quarterback against Washington.

  Jason Moore:
  "He has been a lot better."
  (48:33)

Notable Drop Candidates:

• Brian Hill, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods:
  Identified as players to consider dropping based on recent performances and injury concerns.

  Jason Moore:
  "No, I wouldn't drop him [Robert Woods] yet."
  (25:48)

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4. Streaming Defenses

Timestamp: 44:23 - 55:05

a. Detroit Lions vs. Washington Redskins:
With Dwayne Haskins underperforming, Detroit's defense appears vulnerable, making it an attractive pick-m upside for fantasy stashes.

Jason Moore:
"Dwayne Haskins is really, really bad."
(50:34)

b. Atlanta Falcons vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Despite a recent coaching change with Dan Quinn stepping back from play-calling duties, the Falcons' defense remains a strong streaming option against a quarterback prone to interceptions.

Andy Holloway:
"Jameis Winston has 13 interceptions over his last five games."
(51:40)

c. Cincinnati Bengals vs. Pittsburgh Steelers:
The Bengals' defense is seen as less effective than their divisional rivals, especially without key players like Juju Smith-Schuster and Deontay Johnson.

Mike Wright:
"Mason Rudolph is better than Dwayne Haskins."
(53:07)

Top Streaming Defense Pick:

• Detroit Lions:
  Given their recent struggles and Haskins' inefficiency, Detroit stands out as the top defense to stream for Week 12.

  Jason Moore:
  "They're not a good defense."
  (50:31)

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5. Streaming Quarterback Strategies

Timestamp: 44:23 - 56:22

The hosts discuss effective quarterback streaming strategies, emphasizing matchup-based decisions:

• Derek Carr vs. Jets:
  Seen as a reliable option with Russell Wilson's offense providing ample opportunities.

• Baker Mayfield vs. Dolphins:
  Despite a shaky offensive line, Mayfield's favorable matchup against a low-pressure Dolphins defense makes him a contender.

• Sam Darnold vs. Redskins:
  Improved connection with receivers and a boosted Jets offense suggest potential upside.

Notable Quotes:

Andy Holloway:
"He has two touchdowns in each of the last two weeks. Baker's a guy I think you could play."
(47:05)

Jason Moore:
"He has been a lot better."
(48:33)

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6. Community Engagement and Technical Glitches

Timestamp: 49:16 - 56:22

The episode includes moments of lighthearted banter and technical issues, such as Andy inadvertently cutting off his speech due to a cough, leading to humorous exchanges among the hosts. Additionally, the community is encouraged to engage via social media platforms:

• Instagram:
  "Instagram.com/fantasyfootballers, if you want to check out the gram."
  (06:28)

• Fantasy Football Community:
  "Join the foot [e-mail]."
  (06:28)

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7. Notable Player Critiques

Timestamp: 56:01 - 56:22

The hosts conclude the episode with candid critiques of veteran quarterbacks:

Andy Holloway:
"Philip Rivers is washed, he's done. He's the best person you can play against, and if I could trade him to my opponent, I would do it every week."
(56:04)

Mike Wright:
(General consensus on dismissing Rivers' effectiveness.)

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Conclusion

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offers a thorough analysis of Week 12 waivers, addressing player performances, injuries, and strategic streaming options. Despite technical hiccups and reduced participation from Jason Moore, Andy Holloway and Mike Wright provide valuable insights and actionable advice to help listeners navigate the complexities of fantasy football as the season progresses towards playoffs.

Listeners are encouraged to join the community at jointhefoot.com for further discussions and updates.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright:
  "Not everyone."
  (01:59)

• Jason Moore:
  "Jason Moore is no more."
  (01:02)

• Andy Holloway:
  "We are knee deep into fantasy football, just like our listeners."
  (02:16)

• Mike Wright:
  "The Avalanche horse is now engaged to be married."
  (04:14)

• Andy Holloway:
  "Why don't you fill people in?"
  (02:08)

• Mike Wright:
  "Devonta Parker actually shows up."
  (20:24)

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This summary captures the essence of the Fantasy Footballers' Week 12 episode, providing fans with key takeaways and strategic advice to enhance their fantasy football performance.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Foreign to the Fantasy Footballers podcast, coming to you from Pristine Auction.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no. Welcome in. Oh, we got the band back together sort of. Tuesday, November 19, the fantasy footballers, Andy, Mike and Jason.

[Jason Moore]

It's basically a two man show because I'm about 50%. Jason's about 50%. Different reasons.

[Andy Holloway]

The outside of my body is here. The shell that you have come to know as Jason Moore is still on the show.

[Jason Moore]

Jason Moore is no more.

[Andy Holloway]

The inside is hollow. I am an M and M with no chocolate.

[Jason Moore]

You're like the Easter chocolate bunnies.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

You're like, oh, that's a whole bunch of chocolate. Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Except they serve a purpose. They can be delicious and a tasty treat. While I have no reason to be.

[Mike Wright]

Here, you absolutely do have a reason to be here. It's waiver day. We have a tremendous amount of listeners that are just dying for your advice, dying for your.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess I am serving a purpose here because, you know, look, you eat that chocolate bunny, it's not good for you, but it gives you something that you want and you've come here to this show today to witness the death of a man and I want to provide that for you.

[Mike Wright]

Not everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

I want you to enjoy. This isn't good for you, but I hope it tastes delicious. My tears. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Why don't you fill people in?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Not every. Fill them in.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you can't fill me in.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

Fill them.

[Jason Moore]

Fill a river.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

A river of tears.

[Mike Wright]

Lay of the land here. And this is once again, Jason. I'd like to say this speaks to the. Just the purpose of this show. We are knee deep into fantasy football. Just like our listeners. Everybody we give advice to, we give it to ourselves. And last night, Jason and I were facing off in a battle mano e mano league of record Monday Night Football duel. I had lost Robert woods, so I had to sign Andre Patton for the evening. Never seen a player run more routes for no reason than Andre Patton.

[Jason Moore]

That feels so bad.

[Mike Wright]

As a professional, 80 to 90% of the routes every single week. And he's. He's a real. He's a heck of a blocker, but he put up a zero. It was. I had Patrick Mahomes. Jason had his good friend Philip Rivers as well as Tyreek Hill. Yada, yada, yada. Tyree kill left the game. Yada, yada, yada. Mahomes had a terrible game. Rivers is driving down the field. Rivers needs to essentially drive down the field. For Jason to win.

[Andy Holloway]

And he does.

[Mike Wright]

And he does.

[Andy Holloway]

And I won.

[Mike Wright]

And Jason was up by half a point until one more.

[Andy Holloway]

One more interception. I believe that is seven interceptions in the last two games. I have had all of them, but it took each one to put me where I'm at right now.

[Mike Wright]

You're not in a good place because you are right on the playoff edge.

[Andy Holloway]

I've had so many unfathomably heartbreaking losses this year with monster scores and losing, and here I am today. We just got to press on and move on and keep scrapping and fighting and winning and getting the playoffs. You don't mean any of those words right now. I mean them. I don't feel them.

[Mike Wright]

So that happened last night. We had two things happen to our producers that I'll bring to attention.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Let's take this show up a notch first. I'm leaving first.

[Mike Wright]

Judge Giamatti himself is now engaged to be married.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, are we allowed to say this?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, we cleared this yesterday.

[Jason Moore]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Give me some words or something. Andy, this is fantastic.

[Mike Wright]

Jared Goff, maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, Introducing.

[Mike Wright]

So I want to make sure the.

[Andy Holloway]

Golf graphic doesn't come up on YouTube side.

[Mike Wright]

You're not getting married to Jared Goff.

[Jason Moore]

Let it happen.

[Mike Wright]

It's okay. And so congratulations, Brooks. Now, I don't know what the opposite of getting married is, but it's pretty close to what producer Borland endured last night. He is happily married already at an anniversary. Anniversary dinner. Welcome to Arizona. Driving back home on a normal road.

[Andy Holloway]

A very well populated, large.

[Mike Wright]

We're civilized people out here in Arizona. We're mostly civilized.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the streets are civilized. Yeah, the streets are paved and real with traffic lights and stores.

[Mike Wright]

And so the opposite of getting engaged is, in fact, coming back from an anniversary dinner and hitting a herd of javelina with your car as they cross the road. So he is not even here this morning. He is safe. Him and his wife are okay, but his car has been destroyed.

[Andy Holloway]

The javelina are not safe.

[Mike Wright]

And if you don't know what javelina is, it's a wild boar. Because I realize people outside of this state don't know that.

[Jason Moore]

Just think about Pumbaa.

[Mike Wright]

That's right.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's close enough.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And now the artist formerly known as Pumbaa unfortunately scattered underneath his vehicle.

[Andy Holloway]

Unfortunately for producer Borland, he needed a spear. That was the only way.

[Jason Moore]

I think he was actually ended up safe.

[Mike Wright]

So we have a tale of two producers today. They're dealing with their car. They're okay.

[Jason Moore]

Trending in different directions.

[Andy Holloway]

What A night.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

What a night, Philip.

[Andy Holloway]

But thank you, guys.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

We've moved past you, Brooks.

[Mike Wright]

No, we're so excited for you.

[Andy Holloway]

So happy for you.

[Mike Wright]

Instagram.com fantasy footballers, if you want to check out the gram. Lots of stuff going up there each and every day. Stories, posts, that sort of thing. Jointhefoot.com that's our fantasy football community. Come hang out. We just put up a Discord server that now has thousands of foot clan members chatting it up in there. Everything from sending in Monday Punday recommendations to start Sit Dynasty, all that stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

And let me throw this Twitter handle out there, I believe it is@brooks ccarmeon. Yeah, you can go and congratulate him on Twitter. Our great producer. Huge news. It's so much more important than that awful man throwing pics.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

I got to correct it now. It's just Brooks Carmine. Oh, all right.

[Jason Moore]

No C. Don't even know the man's Twitter handle.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it is a C there. I was saying the first letter of his last name.

[Mike Wright]

Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

C. I gotcha.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like Mike W. Wright.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just putting those together.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Monday Night Football, we do have to talk about it. Tyree Kill exited with a hamstring injury. Damian Williams exited with the rib injury. LaShawn McCoy exited with a concussion, possible concussion. It was Patrick Mahomes, career low in yardage. This field was trash. The second you saw two plays into this game, it was inevitable that you would see bad football. Melvin Gordon went down on a play. His knee created a divot the size of Delaware. You had a situation where, you know, Byron Pringle couldn't cut back to pick up a first down. The play after play, it was concerning. To me, it was concerning. You have Patrick Mahomes, the NFL mvp, having a run around on this field set a career high in rushing yardage. And Philip Rivers, 353 yards seemed like he could do whatever he wanted between.

[Andy Holloway]

The 20s and whatever the Chiefs wanted inside the 20s.

[Mike Wright]

But what were your takeaways from this game? The Chiefs looked broken without Tyree Kill. Sammy Watkins caught two passes for 26 yards. McColl Hardman two for 11 or, sorry, two for 13. And DeMarcus Robinson didn't catch a pass. Travis Kelsey was featured.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you. I think you really. This was a bizarre game. Being that it was in Mexico City, high elevation with a trash field. It seemed like there was a limitation. But yeah, obviously no Tyree Kill there hurt them. It did not seem like there was any player that stepped up in his absence. Whether it was, you know, any of those guys. McColl didn't, DeMarcus Robinson didn't. So, you know, I think they need Tyree Kill back. Obviously they're going to buy week now this week. So that is good news and bad news for Tyree Kill owners in the sense that, you know, he'll probably be back as soon as the Chiefs are back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Echler, big game for Echler and giving you more confidence in his role.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, honestly, it should have been bigger. You had a couple times where, I mean, like he just missed on a touchdown towards that, that final drive where you're soaking up the garbage targets. Philip Rivers unwisely decided to chuck into double coverage a few times when he could have just taken some easy yards for Eckler. But yes, as long as the matchup is neutral to. Not just that you think that the Chargers are going to wreck the opposing defense. Well, this then Echler is very safe.

[Andy Holloway]

This was important to see because this was, you know, we haven't seen those dump offs and the utilization of him in that screen game since they made the offensive coordinator change. So there was some worry that maybe they went away from that on purpose. And right off the bat, I mean, drive one. It was highlighting Echler's pass catching ability, which is great for confidence in him going forward.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, A couple bad drops by Melvin Gordon. He started.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, oh, don't get.

[Jason Moore]

Goodness gracious.

[Mike Wright]

You know, I realize this, Jason. You are Philip Rivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. Yeah. My face is. No, he's whiny, baby.

[Mike Wright]

No. He's lost 61 games in his career by seven or fewer points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So you two share.

[Andy Holloway]

So happy.

[Mike Wright]

Was there a thought to not playing him this week? Just to not suffer under his wrath?

[Andy Holloway]

For two weeks I begged people to drop better quarterbacks. There was, you know, it was between him and Kyle Allen. I made the right choice and it did not matter.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we might as well move on.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper.

[Mike Wright]

All right. We found out yesterday juju Smith Schuster also injured his knee on the same play. He is questionable for the upcoming week. The Steelers signed Deion Kane. Not a great sign for his availability. But you're also dealing with concussions for Deontay Johnson. We'll let you know what goes on there. No update on Robert woods in the mysterious absence. Still handling the personal matter. He does expect Brandon Cooks to return for week 12. Yesterday was asked on the show whether we are still interested in Brandon Cooks. Maybe it was on the live stream, but Ravens Matchup first game back seems a little scary.

[Andy Holloway]

It's hard to start him in the first game back. The nice thing is because it is a concussion, it's not a first thing back from a hamstring where you worry, okay, he's going to go out there and immediately tweak it when he's running. So that gives you a little bit of confidence. If woods is out and Cooks is active, you know, and you're the Tyree Kill owner on by and Cooks has been dropped, you know, he's definitely should be a guy in the conversation because if you're talking about waiver pickups, most people out there are not going to be the caliber of upside. Even though we've been disappointed with what Brandon Cooks did prior to the concussions, he's. We still know his upside, and it's phenomenal.

[Mike Wright]

All right, James Conner status is up in the air for week 12. It's a Bengals matchup, but, oh, I'm going to admit something.

[Jason Moore]

Come on.

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to admit something right here, right now on the show. I don't know whether James Conner will be hit on his shoulder, the same separated shoulder that he has been hit on twice. I don't know. So when you play him, you are building in the risk of. We've seen the re injury already. What do you do there? We don't know whether he will fall on that shoulder again, whether he will be hit on that shoulder again, but if he is, he will leave the game.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like we know he's going to get hit on the shoulder. How do you avoid getting your shoulders hit as a running back?

[Mike Wright]

You don't know that he's going to be hit on that shoulder in a way that will knock him out. If they knew that, they wouldn't play it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, sure, I'm, you know, I'm just saying, you know, he's going to take damage. It's just a matter of whether he can hold up.

[Mike Wright]

Is he going to leave the game?

[Andy Holloway]

Here's the deal with James Conner. I think you move him down a lot and you play him over really bad options. But if you have a good pivot and if he's active, Brian Hill.

[Mike Wright]

Devonta Freeman doesn't play. Do you play Brian Hill or James Conner with the chance you lose? Connor?

[Andy Holloway]

I think. I think I go Brian Hill. Even though the disappointing, you know, obviously.

[Jason Moore]

Horrific against Tampa Bay.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it is Tampa Bay.

[Jason Moore]

I had to play. I forgot about the matchup.

[Mike Wright]

I guess all I'm trying to say is that it's A very risky situation. So if you're a team that cannot afford to get, you know, one or two points from Connor, he may not even be out there. That's the truth. So. And it makes Jalen Samuels an interesting, like, lottery ticket for your team because if Connor's unavailable or limited, Sanders, Samuels could be a lot better. And this is the Bengals we're talking about.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The nice thing is if Connor is out there, Jalen Samuels still has value. You can play him. James Conner plays the entire game. And if you're in a PPR half point ppr, Jalen Samuels could still be a worthy play, but his upside is always to become, you know, a near bell cow in the absence of a Conner injury.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Devonta Freeman, Austin Hooper, Dan Quinn said that they are, quote, trending the right way. I don't think we expect these guys to be back this week, but it is a possibility. It's one of the reasons that you can't. You couldn't have dropped Hoover. You got to wait and see what happens. He was too good for too long to throw him out, but he could play.

[Andy Holloway]

I doubt it.

[Jason Moore]

But, yeah, it's. That's such a tough situation because I doubt that they play this week as well. That initial prognosis we were all given from the media was a month. So if he misses this week and then you have next week. We've been talking about players coming off of these injuries and are you actually going to play them?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

In their first game back?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. So if he's back this week, you play Austin Hooper. I know we've been talking about, you know, we've basically said unless they're a superstar, you need to give yourself that buffer and not throw them in. But Austin Hooper is a superstar at the position. There's nobody that you, you know, you're talking about. Okay. Grab Hollister off of waivers. I like Hollister, but Hollister versus Hooper in a matchup against the second worst team against tight ends. You're going to roll Hooper there.

[Mike Wright]

The way I would look at it, he's not going to practice Wednesday. Hooper's not. And they said hopefully they can get. He can get out there Thursday, Friday. If he doesn't get out there Thursday, Friday, he's not going to play. That's probably what's going to happen this week. Dorset is in the concussion protocol as well. Okay. That offense has got to figure some things out.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Ty Hilton making great progress. It will be three weeks tomorrow from the injury or from dealing with this calf injury I believe ahead of the Week 12 matchup against the Texans, which is a Thursday game. So you do have the advantage of, you know, you're going to know ahead of time whether to pivot off of Ty Hilton. Are you playing him if he's active?

[Jason Moore]

I am, yes. It's been enough time that if he actually comes back, especially on a Thursday to me, a midweek game and they say yeah, you're ready to go, they're fully confident that he is actually ready to play. And the matchup is so good against the Houston Texans that I would play.

[Mike Wright]

Will Fuller is also a game time decision.

[Jason Moore]

I would not play him regardless. Yeah, correct.

[Mike Wright]

If he's out, do you look at Stills at all on Thursday night?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you could think about it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you can. He's a flex option. But you know that role this season has had a couple big blow up performances but the majority and the vast majority of the games that role of the stretch player across the field from Hopkins has not been valuable this year.

[Mike Wright]

You're 100% right. And then after what they did last week on offense, hard to have any confidence. Colts are pretty competitive defense there. So news and notes as always brought to you by the Sleeper app. Before we get into the waiver segment, I want to introduce you to the Capital One Walmart rewards card. Earn 5% back at Walmart online. Games for the kids, headphones for dad, a laptop for mom, doesn't matter, you get 5% back at Walmart online. You'll also earn 2% at Walmart in store, restaurants and travel and 1% everywhere else. When you want all that, you need the Capital One Walmart rewards card. What's in your wallet? Terms and exclusions apply. Capital One in a.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me in coach.

[Mike Wright]

All right, before we start getting into the names for week 12, waivers, Mike, Jason, I want to kind of get your thought process when you look at waivers at this point of the season, right. We've got the Packers, Giants, Seahawks, Titans coming back off the by the Cardinals, Chiefs, Chargers, Vikings going on to the buy. But how do you look at a waiver pickup now? What are you evaluating it by? And we'll talk about drop candidates as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I know we had this question on the Patreon live stream last night which was is it too early to start looking at playoffs? And it's definitely not. We did our playoff primer a week and a half ago. This is the time when you are looking at your matchups, looking at your opponents schedules, whatever you need to do to either make the Playoffs or if you're secure in the playoffs to win in the playoffs. So I'm stacking multiple defenses, I'm stacking quarterbacks if I need to play. If I'm streaming still and I need to play a week or two out. I'm looking at matchups right now. Like you know what you're looking at your running backs, your wide receivers. I'm not looking for a guy that I think can really turn it on. It'd be something special, you know, three or four weeks from now. I'm looking at who's got the best matchup this week, get a win and move on with the exception of, you know, as a tiebreaker. Dallas Goddard is nice because he's okay, but then he also has that ability to be great in the future should a Zach Ertz injury happen.

[Mike Wright]

Anything to add to that, Mike? I mean if you are a team with a secure playoff position, you have a luxury of I guess the stash mindset still.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm just, I'm holding on to my handcuffs and really nothing to add for what Jason said.

[Mike Wright]

All right, let's talk about wide receiver pickups. Who's standing out for you? Devonte Parker had a big game last week, seven for 135 on 10 targets. Has Cleveland, Philadelphia, the Jets, Giants and Cincinnati. This matches with what Mike and I think Jason as well have said. This could just be the dirtiest league winner you've ever did have.

[Jason Moore]

They pop up every single year and he's owned in about 60% of league so he may not be available especially in a competitive league.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice thing is he's owned in our listeners leagues because we've been talking about him for weeks.

[Jason Moore]

He is. But he would be the number one pickup going 7 for 135 against Buffalo. That's incredible. That's really, really amazing what Devonte Parker has been able to do. And it's just what a funny year. What a funny year that devonte Parker was. Was drafted to be something special. A first round pick is just horrifically bad for multiple years. They essentially they rework his deal because they don't want to pay him his real 5th year option money. They're on a. They're tanking and now this is the year that devonte Parker actually shows up. But it's great to see and yes he is like we have him in our NFL League 1. We've just been holding on to him and he's going to be, he's probably going to be flexing for us for the rest of the season, it's.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's wild. But you saw and see with Fitzpatrick and Parker is the main target. What you hoped for when the year began. You hope that maybe, you know, flinging it. Fitzpatrick would do the thing he's done in many rosters and now he's. Now he's doing it.

[Andy Holloway]

Since week four, he has not finished below the wide receiver 36 on a single week. There are very few people.

[Mike Wright]

Has Sammy Watkins finished in the top 36?

[Jason Moore]

Doubtful.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a great question.

[Jason Moore]

That is very doubtful.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Once, three weeks ago, he was the wide receiver.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

He has not finished inside the top 30 since week one when he was the number one wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so let's talk about some lower owned options. You're looking at matchups. You know, Russell Gage at 3% owned is a spot start against Tampa Bay. Atlanta playing better and you know, four targets against Carolina wasn't impressive, but if.

[Jason Moore]

You are almost had a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. If you're running out of the. Out of the slot. If Hooper's out. I think Gage is interesting against Tampa. Tampa stops, stops and slows down the run. They're going to do it again against running backs that Atlanta's running out there. So I think you could do worse than a spot start. You know, Tampa away giving up the most wide receiver fantasy points per game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Russell Gage is. He's interesting to me but more so once we're confirmed that Austin Hooper is out. I, I expect him to, but that really takes things up a notch for me for my interest in Russell Gage. If let's say Hooper plays, I think I'm more interested in James Washington. They get to take on the Bengals. It is on the road, but it's. It's also the Bengals and that we talked about. That wide receiver core is really beat up. Is juju going to play? Is Deontay going to play? And James Washington, he didn't really come through with his opportunity against Cleveland. Only 3 for 49 on five targets. But we're talking a spot start here and I think that Washington is very interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I completely agree. If this was against a good defense, I mean even. Yeah, I'd be out even with Juju gone and Deontay Johnson. Got you. Go. Okay, well, now we only have to worry about James Washington. Well, worry all you want. You can't do anything. You're the Bengals. And so I do think James Washington is a really good play. If both those guys are out and he's alone against the Bengals, he's going to have enough targets. You know, we always joke about dividing up Mason Rudolph's yards. It sucks he doesn't have any pie to divide up those three guys. Well, if you're dividing it by one, I'm okay with that.

[Mike Wright]

You get the whole pie.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, that's my favorite. Time of pie is when I get the whole pie.

[Mike Wright]

Debo Samuels, more heavily owned, but he was 8 for 134 last week. I think there's a decent shot they have to sit Sanders down. I don't know why they wouldn't. That's kind of my opinion. Unless there's no risk of re injuries, just pain tolerance. He's going to recover regardless. I don't know why you wouldn't give Sanders the opportunity to get healthy at the record that they're at, but.

[Andy Holloway]

And even if he's out there, I mean, who's to say it doesn't happen again where he re aggravates the injury or is painful and plays a limited? You know, maybe he's only out there 50% of steps. I think Debo is probably next on this list. I would agree.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. He's 54% owned by the numbers that we have, but he's heating up by the standards that we have.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he is.

[Mike Wright]

How's Green Bay?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, and Green Bay, and they're tough to like. What do you make of Green Bay's.

[Mike Wright]

Middle of the road? Yeah, middle of the road. I think we were fooled a little bit in the very beginning. They're not upper echelon, but they're a solid defense that, you know, you can. You can beat them. You can beat them with innovative play calling. And that's what Kyle Shanahan's all about. Debo's been very involved establishing trust. Darius Slayton, don't forget about him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

What's tough for Slayton is he has a tough matchup.

[Jason Moore]

He has the matchup against Chicago. But those. Slayton is, I think, the one. The one stash that I'm willing to make this week's waiver crop because the fantasy playoffs for the Giants and Darius Slayton at Philly. Your eyes got big at Philly, Miami, at Washington. I mean, those are three plus matchups for a wide receiver who's coming off of a breakout campaign of 14 targets. 10 for 121 and 2.

[Mike Wright]

Are you dropping Tyler Boyd for any of these guys?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I would move on from Boyd.

[Mike Wright]

Are you dropping juju?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

No, I wouldn't drop him yet.

[Mike Wright]

Sammy Watkins?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Robert Woods.

[Jason Moore]

No. No.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. All right. Those Are some of the more requested drop candidates from the Foot clan? Anybody else who want to mention at wide receiver that's at the top? Are you looking at Josh Gordon? Maybe you're a contending team. He has Philadelphia this week.

[Andy Holloway]

It should be a very good matchup against Philly, especially for his skill set down the field.

[Mike Wright]

But Josh Gordon or Randall Cobb this.

[Andy Holloway]

Week, I would probably go Josh Gordon there another week in the system. The difference being like Cobb is. Cobb should be brought up because you want to talk NBA Jam rules. He's had two.

[Jason Moore]

He's heating up.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you want to stay in this. Except he's on the road in Foxborough against the best defense we've seen in a long time.

[Jason Moore]

But they're focused on shutting down Amari Cooper.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fair. I mean, this could be a Randall Cobb game. But the thing is, is while I do expect them to take out their number one options and it might be a down game for Cooper and Zeke, I don't expect Dallas to do a whole lot to make. I would. I would just be really fearful to play Cobb.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would too. Although Amari Cooper situation is very scary for fantasy football owners, in my opinion. He was very limited in this game. He played a limited amount of snaps. Gallup and Cobb had a better game. He's been dealing with this injury on and off. This is not a player that feel like he's been so good mostly at home. He's been so good that you know you're kind of backed into starting him. But he could submarine a playoff run. He could submarine a playoff matchup if he's banged up and he leaves the field. So where. How are you feeling about Amari Cooper?

[Jason Moore]

Not. You've described it accurately. Not safe currently so. But I'm still going to play him. Unfortunately, the matchup stinks. But back. So the Josh Gordon, Randall Cobb. Gordon was in on 37% of snaps for Seattle. That was only his first game.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

With the team. Do you expect that to be up but up substantially?

[Andy Holloway]

Definitely expected to be up substantial substantially. He was. He was there for a very short period of time. And when the game mattered the most is the percentage of the snaps that he was in on those big third down plays.

[Jason Moore]

2 for 27. So I mean, don't go too out of control with what he did.

[Andy Holloway]

But do you remember those?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, they were, they were.

[Jason Moore]

They were very high leverage plays.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I'm talking about. They were must win plays. And both of them third downs, important deep pickups. Both went To Gordon. That's. That's all I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't think there's any question that his involvement is going to increase. They brought him in for a reason and they don't have the depth chart. I mean, you might not even have Tyler Lockett this week if you listen to Pete Carroll.

[Jason Moore]

That's a good point.

[Mike Wright]

You know, he said Tyler Lockett, hey, we, we need to see him practice. He's not practicing today. Dealing with the leg contusion. We think he's back, but maybe he's not. So the role should increase. I'd expect him on the field probably close to double what he did in week one. That doesn't mean he's going to be productive. It doesn't mean that DK Metcalf's not a better player. But I think you might. He might be a luxury pickup for a contending team that doesn't need to. Just in case he's a heavily used player.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I want to talk about some running back situations here. Darrell Williams, running back for the Kansas City Chiefs, may be the last man standing here. Damian, injured. McCoy, concussion. It doesn't seem like they're willing to use McCoy in a very high volume role, regardless of the situation. Even when Williams left, Darrell Williams was the first man out on the field. Darrell Williams was getting a lot of between the tackle stuff.

[Andy Holloway]

Shady fumbled again. But they are on their bye week.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would expect, you know, health and the normal regime to be intact in two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

But that. So if you are a.

[Mike Wright]

You're not signing Darrell Williamson.

[Jason Moore]

No, I am. If we're talking about the teams who you're locked, you're ready for the playoffs. I would grab Darrell Williams if I have that spot and I would just stick him on the bench because maybe Shady McCoy is back. He had the possible concussion. We'll see whatever that turns into. But two weeks, I expect McCoy back. But what if Damian is not back with that rib injury? If you saw it, I mean, he got almost folded in half and he was in a tremendous amount of pain. We don't have the full report yet, but that certainly had the looks of a broken rib. And then at that point, Darrell Williams will be in a full time share and he's also the third down back on top of that. So I think that Darrell is a. Is a good stash if you.

[Mike Wright]

For.

[Jason Moore]

For teams where. If you're locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. I mean, I can see a situation where that would happen for me. I would. So here's a name I would rather have, if you remember from yesteryear, the handcuff extraordinaire for Ezekiel Elliott.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, you go into the fair, the Scarborough Fair.

[Andy Holloway]

Bo Scarborough.

[Jason Moore]

I want. I only want him more than Darrell. If I need a guy to play this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, because Darrell's on by well, but I mean anyone. I need a guy.

[Jason Moore]

But here's the deal for Bo Washington.

[Andy Holloway]

Great.

[Jason Moore]

I'm playing him this week. He is an excellent spot starter. But then Chicago, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Denver. I can't imagine you're playing Bo in those matches.

[Andy Holloway]

Chicago, I think you're fine with their rush. Defense has not been good. I would agree. Minnesota, Tampa Bay, those are very difficult.

[Mike Wright]

You are not fine with any Detroit running back. You are not remotely fine. This is Bo Scarborough's first ever career game. This is the first time he's ever been active for a game. I just don't want to walk down the tide. Johnson, J.D. mcKissick, Bo Scarborough, Paul Perkins. We got what Trey Carson was the feat. He was the Bo Scarborough of 2000.

[Andy Holloway]

The Lions waved running back Paul Perkins.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'm aware of that. Yes, they are wrote they might wave Bo Scarborough this week. I don't know what's going to happen.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess the reason that I bring his name up is because they have tried to figure out what to do with the absence of Kerryon Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

And they have not had success left, right or center until Bo Scarborough comes in, looks okay. They give him 15 carries, it gets a touchdown. And now this is the Washington Redskins. That's it.

[Mike Wright]

Peterson over. Peterson or Scarborough starting this week in the same matchup.

[Andy Holloway]

That's. That's where I would go. Both Scarborough. I'd go Scarborough, too, if you need a spot start this week. I think he's okay now.

[Mike Wright]

That's not saying don't sign him. I just said I didn't feel comfortable with any Detroit players in the backfield.

[Andy Holloway]

Top of the list, you know, really should be the Indianapolis Colt running back. The problem is who is that?

[Jason Moore]

And it's a very big problem. You have the Thursday night matchup, which I guess is a plus, but we don't like. Nahim Hines is the only safe pickup from that backfield because you know what his role is. You know, he will catch passes and he'll get some of the carries, but between Jonathan Williams and Jordan Wilkins, it's insane to see Jonathan Williams back. By the way, and if you don't remember him, he was the Buffalo heir to be. He was the heir apparent behind Shady McCoy years ago loved him.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought he was so talented. He was going to be great. And then he knuckleheaded his way out of the league.

[Mike Wright]

I would pick up Jonathan Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

I would as well.

[Mike Wright]

Jordan Wilkins missed last week injured. It's a Thursday game. It's very. He thinks he'll be back. It doesn't. But you have to listen to what the coaching staff says about Jonathan Williams. They've been repeating themselves for a long time. And if you listen to the post game press conference, you listen to the head coach talk about him, they're in love with Jonathan Williams. The way he runs, the way he finishes runs. He had a monster week. This is a great rushing offense. Naim Hines will not get between the tackle work. I don't want it. I know 100% what you're saying, Mike, about Hines. He's got a guaranteed third down role. I'd rather have Jonathan Williams than Naeem Hines because I don't want. I want the between the tackle work. I want the hard running that we saw from Jonathan Williams last week. They're going to give him a shot. That's what I believe.

[Jason Moore]

And it's tough because you have.

[Andy Holloway]

It is.

[Jason Moore]

What do you believe? Where Jonathan Williams is was added like halfway through the season that he's. Before this past week he had seen two carries for this team in Week 10. And that's only because Wilkins was hurt. I mean Wilkins has been their guy. So it's, it's a really tough situation to navigate where Wilkins was the backup for, for Marlon Mack for, for a while now. Did he really lose that job because he was hurt? And Williams had one pretty good game which was an unbelievably plus matchup as you saw. Marlon Mack was crushing that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Whether. Whether it's Jonathan Williams or Jordan Wilkins, you put a bid on both those guys in whichever direction you think is best based on what we're saying. But I would be more confident my pickup would be Naim Hines. I don't want to bury the lead. He's at least the pass catching guy. His role is secure. He did get more carries in that game when Marlon Mack went out. So he's not going to take over the Marlon Mack role at all. But I expect his role to grow. And because he's the pass catching back and he's, I think, you know, the most talented of these three. He's a pretty good back. He would be the guy that I would put the bid on. Since you really have no clue, you could put the bid in on Jonathan Williams. Or Jordan Wilkins. And you're going to start them. If you. If you're saying I need them and you put them in and either guy could just disappear. I don't think Naim Hines has that ability.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I guess we just disagree on that one. I. I definitely go the Jonathan Williams side. You guys would both go Heinz. Gus Edwards had the big week last week. He's just in the handcuff category with a juicy handcuff. Yeah, that sounds weird. All right, Darius, guys. Mike, yesterday on the show, we said we thought it would be nice to sell high on guys based on the fact that.

[Jason Moore]

I don't blame you.

[Mike Wright]

Split carries. They were both not productive in the running game. One play for Darius, guys, but it is Detroit. Detroit can't really stop running back, so there is an opportunity here.

[Jason Moore]

And if you're trying to read the tea leaves at all, the game started with Adrian Peterson and then Darius guy took over and was the running back. So it.

[Mike Wright]

He was just bad. They were both really bad on the ground.

[Jason Moore]

Sure. But if you're Washington and they're going to insist on continuing with the Dwayne Haskins experiment, then it would seem you would want to go with Darius.

[Mike Wright]

Would you prioritize Darius Geist then over any of the Indianapolis backs, Bellage, Scarborough, any of those guys?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I would.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

We're.

[Mike Wright]

We're all. This is the time. We're really all over the map on the running backs here. And that's.

[Jason Moore]

It's tough.

[Andy Holloway]

At least there are a lot of options. I mean, you know, you might not like Bo Scarborough. You might love Darius Geist. You might be on the exact opposite. But between Bo Scarborough, Jalen Samuels, Naim Hines and Jonathan Wilkins, Jordan Wilkins and Geist, there are options here. For people that need a play, it's just a matter of guessing the right one.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and it's matchups, right? Scarborough at Washington, Darius Geist, Detroit, Indianapolis. You get the Thursday night, you know, situation against Houston and then Jalen Samuels, if he's out there, has Cincinnati and should have a role regardless of whether Connor's act.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go. Let's talk to our deep league peeps. If James Conner is out, our deeps. Deep. Yeah, the deeps.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

What's up, deeps. If Connor is out, are you interested at all in Trey Edmonds?

[Andy Holloway]

It is such a good matchup.

[Jason Moore]

Week 912 for 73 against the Colts. And when James Conner was out and it was him and Samuels also the last two weeks.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Brooks James out There, too, though. So I'm not very confident.

[Andy Holloway]

Last two weeks, seven for 12. So, I mean, it's one of those things where, yeah, his name.

[Mike Wright]

I say no to the deeps.

[Jason Moore]

All right?

[Andy Holloway]

His name should be brought up. He could have a decent game against a really winnable matchup if James Conner is out. But he has not been great or good.

[Mike Wright]

Fantasy football owners, don't forget about Wayne Gallman, please. Please don't forget about Wayne Gallman. We don't know the health of Saquon Barkley heading into the week. Throughout the rest of the year, obviously dealing with injury, the team could choose to shut him down at some point. It's not what we're projecting, but it is a possibility. And if Wayne Gallman is the man lost among all these other week one starts and you need to add somebody to your bench, you could end up with a starting running back for four or five weeks against, you know, which could matter.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

Other names that you want to bring up at the running back position?

[Andy Holloway]

For me?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Don't forget your handcuffs. Madison Pollard, Gus Edwards and company Tight end pickups. Mike, I want you to weigh in here. I am all about Ryan Griffin at the tight end position. He's had several very good weeks over the last five. Playing 80 to 95% of snaps. No more Herndon earning the trust of Darnold. He's 0% owned by the numbers that we have as Oakland, Cincinnati, Miami the next three weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Five for 109 and one on five targets last week. He's my favorite pickup at the position.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting. So I like him. It's. I'm trying to order the. The guys I like because there's like the running back position, the tight ends you can pick up. For me, the highlights will be Ryan Griffin, Noah Fant, Jacob Hollister, and Dallas Goddard. Like, I think all four of those guys are in play. You've seen Noah Fant, you've seen his snaps and the targets. Everything has elevated drastically since Emmanuel Sanders has gone. I mean, 11 targets this past week, four for 60. Wish you could have gotten a little bit more.

[Mike Wright]

He's a great pickup, but he's.

[Jason Moore]

He's very interesting. It's tough. It's tough to go with Ryan Griffin as the number one out of these options. He.

[Andy Holloway]

You are right.

[Jason Moore]

Three of the past four weeks have been very solid.

[Mike Wright]

He's been the number one tight end two of the last four weeks. He's also finished in the top 15 four out of the last six weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, Sam Darnold is Fant.

[Mike Wright]

The targets that you brought up about. Fan. That is a very attractive amount of targets, but I just love the matchups.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You want to play Fanta, Buffalo, the Chargers in Houston, or do you want to play Oakland, Cincinnati, Miami? Jason, you are all about Abercrombie.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Hollister is probably at the top of the list for me. Just because it's Russell Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't love the Philadelphia matchup as much as Ryan Griffin's upcoming schedule, so I think it's very close between those two. But Jacob Hollister showed out the last two games. And the thing is, is we've seen Russell Wilson when he's got a capable tight end. Will Disley used him and used him around the goal line, and they would scheme to open him up for touchdowns. And we brought up Tyler Lockett might be missing, and I think Abercrombie could be a good pickup the rest of the way. And so he's on the list. The one name that I, you know.

[Mike Wright]

If I. Jacob Hollister.

[Andy Holloway]

Jacob Hollister, AKA Abercrombie. That's what he wears. No Hollister for him. Between Ryan Griffin and Jacob Hollister.

[Mike Wright]

If your name was Hollister, would you wear Hollister? I think you would.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I totally would.

[Mike Wright]

You would, right?

[Andy Holloway]

100%.

[Jason Moore]

Well, because you're wearing yourself, right?

[Mike Wright]

No, I just mean Jason would be the kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Some people would be like, I divert that. Like, my name's Hollister. I would never be caught dead in a Hollister shirt. I'm gonna go to Abercrombie.

[Andy Holloway]

So, yeah, like, thank goodness I wasn't named Old Navy, because I'd just be rocking those logo shirts. They're like, look at me.

[Mike Wright]

So weird.

[Andy Holloway]

This is me.

[Mike Wright]

It's a strange name.

[Jason Moore]

Just bathing in their cologne.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So here's the name I do want to bring up. And I want to bring it up because I feel a little skewed. I feel a little hot and bothered. And I want you to talk me down off of this.

[Jason Moore]

Is this. Are we talking about Cleveland?

[Andy Holloway]

We are talking about Cleveland. We are talking about David and Joku. This guy, he's not back yet. This guy, I know this is more of a hole because I can't imagine you playing him, but Miami, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Arizona, these are amazing matchups. He has the best rest of season schedule for tight ends. And by he, I just mean Cleveland because he isn't out there yet. But as far as a talent, you're bringing up names. Ryan Griffin, Jacob Hollister. Maybe Darren Fells, Ross Dwelly. None of these guys are anywhere near the talent as a human being that David and Joku is. But is it. Is it. Is it bad advice to say pick up this guy who's been injured isn't back yet for the struggling Browns? Because I feel like.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I mean, I think it might be a little bit of an indictment on players like Dallas Goddard, Noah Fant to say Njoku is some other world athlete. And they're not.

[Andy Holloway]

I left those names out. You did.

[Mike Wright]

You did. And those would be two names that I'd rather have than David and Joku. Dallas Goddard will play a ton of snaps, limited wide receiver options. Carson wins. Can't get it together. And no offhand with the target. So do I think it's idiotic? No, I don't think it's idiotic, but.

[Jason Moore]

You have to the deeps.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, you're talking about what has to happen. You need in Joku to get back, get integrated on all the snaps and then get Baker Mayfield going. So is it possible? Sure. Probable. I would be on the outside of that one. Mike, what are you weighing?

[Jason Moore]

I am on the outside of the probability as well, but it's not an idiotic move at all to stash him.

[Mike Wright]

That's such a strong word. When I. Even when I said it, I was like, you're not an idiot.

[Jason Moore]

But it was your word.

[Mike Wright]

I know.

[Jason Moore]

I was just. And your word.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Not an idiot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, thanks.

[Mike Wright]

I think that Jason's also secretly hoping for peanut butter dwelly time once again.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Peanut butter dwelling time.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

You expect Kittle back, right?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Like this season. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

This week maybe.

[Mike Wright]

But let's keep it in mind. Peanut butter dwelling time was brought on by the Arizona Cardinals defense and.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And that defense alone. All right, other drop candidates. I'm just going to ask them real quick. Would you drop. People have to make decisions for all these names. David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Willing.

[Mike Wright]

Willing. Brian Hill.

[Jason Moore]

Willing to drop him? Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

He's a no for me. Sony, Michelle.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Let's talk quarterbacks.

[Andy Holloway]

Full stream ahead.

[Mike Wright]

Streaming quarterback options.

[Jason Moore]

Update, update.

[Andy Holloway]

David and Joku. Olivier, Vernon among those not out at Brown's practice today. So it's just the thing is, is if I wanted to look that up because if he was. If he's practicing and.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. No being at full.

[Andy Holloway]

Then I am interested. If he's not out. Breaking news.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that face says your voice.

[Mike Wright]

Ready, Jay?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, no.

[Mike Wright]

The Dolphins have waved Mark Walton.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh. Oh. No. Hey.

[Mike Wright]

They've been made aware of a police matter.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, come on.

[Mike Wright]

Mark, earlier this morning regarding Walton. Now, four blemishes on the resume according to Roto World. This is Adam Beasley on Twitter.

[Andy Holloway]

Did we not bring up Balaj?

[Jason Moore]

No, because we should not.

[Mike Wright]

Oh. I mean, we did. I brought. I brought him up. I didn't overview him. We've been talking about him for weeks. Kalen Blodge is. He's going to get you 10 points as a starting running back.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he has. Every single time. No, every time. He's been the starter since the Walton suspension.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he got a touchdown all.

[Mike Wright]

The weeks we've said.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but what. Hold on. Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Now when this.

[Mike Wright]

Even last week he was horrible. I'm not saying he's good guys. He's.

[Jason Moore]

He was 7 for 19 is not 10 points.

[Mike Wright]

When last week?

[Andy Holloway]

Three weeks.

[Jason Moore]

When his three weeks ago.

[Andy Holloway]

No, there's only been two weeks.

[Mike Wright]

28Th and 25th. So do what you look.

[Jason Moore]

He sucks in football with a touchdown. I guess he caught a bunch. He caught five passes for eight yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Five passes for eight yards, nine carries for nine yards. This dude sucks. He has. Right now he's on pace for 102 rushing attempts at 195 yards, 1.9 yards.

[Mike Wright]

I thought we brought him up perfectly, which is in passing.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

No, thank you.

[Mike Wright]

No. No. All right. Streaming quarterback options for week 12. I'm going to go once again. Oh, I'm going to go back.

[Andy Holloway]

Send in the car.

[Mike Wright]

Send in the car. I will not stop endorsing the 64 Raider quarterback Derek Carr. 25 for 29 last week plays New York. The jets offense is actually figuring some things out. I think there's a lot of opportunity in this game for Carr. Tyrell Williams, The Walrus & Co. Solid safe streamer Derek Carr.

[Andy Holloway]

I am going with a guy who I think has looked a little bit better lately. Has not been.

[Jason Moore]

Looked a lot better.

[Andy Holloway]

He's looked a lot better. He's not looked great because his last four matchups have been just assassins row here. New England, Denver, Buffalo and Pittsburgh. That is as hard as it gets for a quarterback matchup stretch. And I'm talking about the njoku less Baker Mayfield. I think he's a good streaming option this week. You know, he's got Miami on the docket. Their offense has been getting better. Miami is the second lowest in pressure and sack rate in the league. So that's a clean pocket for Baker. We've seen him be able to Succeed when he has time to throw. But that offensive line has been such a problem this year. And the offensive line will have an easier time against the Dolphins. You know, you just, you look at him under pressure and not under pressure, and I think this is a good matchup. He's got two touchdowns in each of the last two weeks. Baker's a guy I think you could play.

[Mike Wright]

I agree with you.

[Jason Moore]

And I am going to stream Donald Schwarzenegger. I am back.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, dear. Shouldn't. You shouldn't be back.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's too late. I am.

[Mike Wright]

Gosh, I'm going. Sam, darling, please don't turn off your. Don't turn off your podcast. All right?

[Jason Moore]

He used to play Oakland. Oakland, allowing the six most passing yards. Look in there. Allowing deep plays. And Darnold finally was connecting on some deep plays. And look, Jameson Crowder. I mean, he. He is what we had hoped Robbie Anderson would become, which is a very reliable weapon in the passing game for Sam Darnold. And he. I think that the. The football has been. Or the. The football played by the jets and Sam Darnold has been a lot better. Four touchdowns against Washington. A beatable matchup. You can stream him.

[Andy Holloway]

How is Baker Mayfield 54% owned?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man.

[Mike Wright]

Are you saying on the high side or the low side?

[Andy Holloway]

The high side. I can't believe that over half of leagues already have Baker when he has sucked all season and been unusable the last month and a half because there's.

[Mike Wright]

A 10 to 20% variable there of the fact he was a normally drafted quarterback. So if you had an auto drafted league, he's on rosters. I think that's why.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

That's the direction I lean. By the way, Mike, did you listen to the show yesterday when you were down and out?

[Jason Moore]

No, I was deceased.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Did you miss. So you missed Jason use his mute button mid word.

[Andy Holloway]

That's correct.

[Mike Wright]

It sounded like there was some sort of.

[Andy Holloway]

I cut myself off. I was not sure I was done talking.

[Mike Wright]

That's correct.

[Andy Holloway]

But I am me. So it's interesting.

[Jason Moore]

How did you do that?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I needed to cough and I. So I went to use the cough button, but I cut myself off.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was very jarring. Producer Borland thought that we had lost power in some capacity. So it's very special.

[Jason Moore]

That's very funny.

[Mike Wright]

Very special moment.

[Andy Holloway]

Defense vs. Offense presented by Head and Shoulders and Walmart.

[Mike Wright]

All right, Defense versus offense. Defensive streaming options this week. I especially like Mike's pick this week. Why wouldn't you?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes. I'll just kick it off here. I'm going with Detroit taking on Washington. And yes, we have some stats. I mean, we could rattle these off, you know, like Washington averaging about 170 fast or passing yards per game.

[Andy Holloway]

Fewest.

[Jason Moore]

They're averaging 53 plays per game.

[Andy Holloway]

Fewest.

[Jason Moore]

But here's the deal. Dwayne Haskins is really, really bad. We had hoped, we had some high hopes here for Dwayne Haskins that he had the bye week, this was his second start, that he could actually come through and do something. But if the Dwayne Haskins experiment continues, then Detroit is fully in play. He is bad.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he's going to take sacks, he's going to turn the ball over. He's going to do it through fumbles, he's going to do it through interceptions. And it's difficult to watch. That's the truth. Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, I'm going with a team that is out there. They are widely available because they've been a trash, trash, trash, awful defense this whole year. This is a team you can't imagine playing. But something happened in the bye week for the Atlanta Falcons and I believe it's real. Andy, you said you confirmed this morning.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Dan Quinn gave up play calling duties after the buy Raheem Morris and mostly linebacker coach Jeff Ulbrich took over and. Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And so should that get Quinn fired?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, do you fire the guy for making the correct decision?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's a desperate call, though. He should have made that decision before, I don't know, before the bye week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, here's the deal. The decision has been made. The Atlanta Falcons, the last two weeks have been excellent and not. I mean, you saw what they did to Kyle Allen this last week. But the week before was, you know, against the New Orleans Saints against Drew Brees and they looked pretty good. Now they get a divisional matchup against Jameis Winston. Jameis Winston and the Tampa Bay. Look, if Tampa Bay has 400 yards of offense on the Atlanta Falcons, the Atlanta Falcons can still have a monstrous fantasy day because they can have two pick sixes. Jameis Winston has 13 interceptions over his last five games. That's just impressive work. And I think the Atlanta Falcons are streamable play in this matchup this week.

[Mike Wright]

Mike is trying to tell me not to bring.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't do it, man. I did it again.

[Mike Wright]

What are you doing?

[Andy Holloway]

What are you doing?

[Mike Wright]

Why are you pushing the button?

[Andy Holloway]

All right. What are you doing?

[Mike Wright]

I know how coughing works. It happens after your sentence.

[Andy Holloway]

My hand is not part of you.

[Jason Moore]

Got a quick draw.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a quick draw. Dude, if we were in a duel.

[Jason Moore]

Fastest cock button in the West.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. If we were in a duel, you'd be dead. Here's the deal.

[Jason Moore]

Because it would be like, draw on three. One, two, boom.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you're darn right. I saw this in the Doc, Andy, and I made eyes with you, and I thought that was a joke placeholder, and I was excited to see who you're going with. But let's tell the Foot Clan. Let's see what happens here.

[Mike Wright]

Cincinnati is at home against Mason Rudolph, and that's it.

[Andy Holloway]

So you're saying the Pittsburgh Steelers d. Got it?

[Mike Wright]

No, I'm saying the Cincinnati Bengals defense at home against Pittsburgh. Does Pittsburgh have juju? Deontay Johnson? Does he have James Conner? It's going on the road. This is not a good situation.

[Andy Holloway]

All right?

[Mike Wright]

And you know for a fact that there will be turnovers, and sometimes that's really what takes the cake. Mike, is the Detroit defense a good defense?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

I think they might be worse statistically than the Bengals this year in a lot of various metrics, but they're not a good defense. You're playing Mason Rudolph. That has meant very good things.

[Jason Moore]

But Mason Rudolph is better than Dwayne Haskins.

[Andy Holloway]

The last time that I mocked someone on this segment, this is for their pick. I couldn't handle Mike picking the Kansas City Chiefs as a defense and they were awesome that week.

[Mike Wright]

We have a stream finder tool. Yes, we have it for the foot [e-mail] Let me read you the fantasy finishes of teams that played Pittsburgh over the last three weeks. The Colts were the seventh best defense. The Rams were the third best defense. Last week, the Cleveland Browns were the third best defense. So the Mason Rudolph era equals top 10 defensive performances. Take away juju, take away Deontay Johnson, take away James Conner, and then play them on the road. Mason Rudolph on the road. How's that look?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I totally get that argument.

[Mike Wright]

That's all I got for you. That's all I can do. That's all I can do.

[Andy Holloway]

You could very well be right.

[Mike Wright]

It's a divisional game. They need a win.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what we did here today? We gave three defenses that are widely available.

[Mike Wright]

You can stream this horrible defenses. Historically. On the year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, on the year. But I mean, this is why it's defense versus offense.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Come on, Brooks. Why are you taking a shot at Jason over here?

[Mike Wright]

$54.19.

[Andy Holloway]

You're my C.O. own.

[Mike Wright]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

We lost Marlon Mack.

[Mike Wright]

He did it because it was really close to.

[Andy Holloway]

We lost that stupid. We lost that game. I can't believe.

[Jason Moore]

Did you forget. Did you make it through the show and you kind of forgot?

[Andy Holloway]

I started to forget my sadness by, you know, through the show, and now I remember all of it.

[Mike Wright]

Let's close the show out with some candid thoughts on Philip Rivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. He's washed, he's done. He's the best person you can play against, and if I could trade him to my opponent, I would do it every week.

[Mike Wright]

All right, goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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