Week 12 Waivers & QB Streamers, Machine Gun Mike

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fantasy Footballers - Week 12 Waivers & QB Streamers, Machine Gun Mike

Episode: Week 12 Waivers & QB Streamers, Machine Gun Mike
Release Date: November 20, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Transcript Length: Approximately 48 minutes

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1. Recap of Last Night's High-Scoring Game (00:00 – 05:16)

The episode kicks off with the hosts discussing the previous night's electrifying Monday Night Football game, characterized by an unprecedented high score and thrilling plays that left fantasy managers both excited and frustrated.

• Jason Moore shares his personal experience:
  “I genuinely had a blast watching that game from the get-go. You know there's crazier endings to football games more memorable. But I can't remember a game where from the first drive on it was non-stop entertainment.” (03:09)

• Andy Holloway highlights the impact on defenses:
  “When there's over 1,000 yards, there's not a lot of defense being played. Would we agree with that?” (03:56)

• Mike Wright emphasizes the offensive fireworks:
  “The big players of course, they're great. Todd Gurley is a top story from this game...” (04:55)

The discussion underscores the rarity of such high-scoring games and sets the stage for identifying key fantasy football takeaways.

2. Waiver Wire Picks: Wide Receivers (14:17 – 25:00)

The hosts delve into optimal wide receiver pickups from the waiver wire, emphasizing players poised for increased production in the coming weeks.

• Jason Moore recommends Josh Reynolds and Cortland Sutton:
  “Josh Reynolds to me is a 100% must pick up... Cortland Sutton's taken in a lot of leagues. His schedule was really bad after DT was traded. But from this point onward, it is unbelievably great.” (14:48 – 15:59)

• Mike Wright favors Traekwon Smith and DJ Moore:
  “Traquan's my number one waiver wire or number one wide receiver pickup of the week.” (17:18 – 17:48)

• Andy Holloway introduces Bruce Ellington as a potential pickup contingent on Marvin Jones' availability:
  “If Marvin Jones comes back, what are you going to get from him? I don't have high expectations for him...” (21:44 – 22:18)

Notable Quote:
“Traekwon Smith and DJ Moore are big pickups.” – Jason Moore (17:25)

3. Waiver Wire Picks: Running Backs (25:00 – 34:34)

Focus shifts to running backs available on waivers, with the hosts analyzing prospects based on their recent performance and upcoming matchups.

• Andy Holloway highlights Gus Edwards, Elijah McGuire, and Josh Adams:
  “Gus Edwards looks like an absolute Mack truck running the ball. He looks fantastic.” (27:51 – 28:31)

• Jason Moore supports Gus Edwards as the top priority:
  “If Lamar Jackson is there, I predict Gus has 20 carries.” (30:26 – 30:53)

• Mike Wright adds Jalen Richard as a fourth option:
  “I would probably prioritize him over Elijah McGuire.” (28:02 – 28:38)

Notable Quote:
“Gus Edwards is my clear cut number one because maybe he's not involved...” – Jason Moore (29:48)

4. Waiver Wire Picks: Tight Ends (34:34 – 35:16)

Tight end selections are examined, with the hosts discussing players who offer consistent receptions and touchdown potential.

• Mike Wright endorses Cameron Brait as the top tight end pickup:
  “Cameron Braid is my top tight end pickup of the week.” (35:19 – 36:34)

• Jason Moore considers Jonu Smith:
  “Jonah Smith in a bad situation should be looked at.” (38:41 – 38:55)

Notable Quote:
“Cameron Brait is the MVP of this segment because he's been a waiver wire tight end pickup for about eight weeks.” – Mike Wright (34:44)

5. Quarterback Streamers (35:16 – 43:49)

The discussion transitions to quarterback streaming strategies, focusing on viable options for Week 12 given the bye weeks and injuries.

• Jason Moore advocates for streaming Baker Mayfield, commending his recent performances:
  “He is on pace for 36 touchdowns and eight interceptions... he could still get it done with his legs as well.” (41:34 – 42:05)

• Mike Wright nominates Jameis Winston:
  “He’s widely available and he's playing against the San Francisco 49ers... likely to throw 300 yards and a couple touchdowns.” (40:48 – 41:15)

• Andy Holloway discusses the stability offered by Lamar Jackson:
  “If Lamar Jackson is available, you'll play flag.” (42:30 – 42:41)

Notable Quote:
“Jameis Winston is likely to throw 300 yards and a couple touchdowns.” – Mike Wright (40:48)

6. Hall of Fame Debate: Eli Manning vs. Philip Rivers (43:49 – 47:50)

In a spirited segment, the hosts debate the Hall of Fame credentials of quarterbacks Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, reflecting on their careers and achievements.

• Jason Moore firmly opposes their induction:
  “I am a firm no on both guys.” (44:03 – 44:06)

• Andy Holloway counters by emphasizing Super Bowl victories and consistency:
  “He's won two Super Bowls and he's got two Super Bowl MVPs... He's a Hall of Famer.” (44:40 – 44:55)

• Mike Wright critiques the reliance on Super Bowl wins:
  “I just hate the Super Bowl argument so much for quarterbacks.” (44:13 – 44:18)

The debate concludes with a poll invitation for listeners to voice their opinions on the matter.

Notable Quote:
“Eli Manning never got there. Drew Brees has been there multiple times and certainly this year.” – Jason Moore (46:10)

7. Upcoming Shows and Promotions (47:50 – 48:14)

Wrapping up, the hosts announce their upcoming Megalodon Show, a special Thanksgiving episode featuring a major giveaway.

• Mike Wright details the prizes:
  “We're giving away a signed Hopkins jersey, a signed Saquon Barkley jersey, and a signed Michael Thomas mini helmet.” (25:19 – 26:02)

• Jason Moore encourages listener participation:
  “Make a completely free account and make sure that you let them know you found out about them from the Fantasy Footballers.” (24:24 – 24:54)

The episode concludes with a brief mention of personalized interactions, emphasizing community engagement.

Key Takeaways

• High-Scoring Games: Such games can significantly impact fantasy matchups, often diminishing the value of defensive players.

• Waiver Wire Strategy: Prioritize players with favorable schedules and increased opportunities due to injuries or trades.

• Quarterback Streaming: Flexibility is key; identify quarterbacks with advantageous matchups and consistent performances.

• Hall of Fame Discussions: Achievements like Super Bowl victories can influence Hall of Fame considerations, but individual performance metrics remain crucial.

• Community Engagement: Active participation through polls and giveaways enhances listener involvement and loyalty.

Notable Quotes with Attribution

• “I genuinely had a blast watching that game from the get-go.” – Jason Moore (03:09)

• “Josh Reynolds to me is a 100% must pick up.” – Jason Moore (14:48)

• “Cameron Brait is my top tight end pickup of the week.” – Mike Wright (35:19)

• “I am a firm no on both guys [Eli Manning and Philip Rivers].” – Jason Moore (44:03)

• “If Lamar Jackson is available, you'll play flag.” – Andy Holloway (42:30)

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and strategic advice provided by the Fantasy Footballers trio during their Week 12 episode. Whether you're looking to optimize your waiver wire pickups, refine your quarterback streaming strategy, or engage in thought-provoking debates, this episode offers valuable content to bolster your fantasy football prowess.

Transcript

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. We're still doing the show.

[Jason Moore]

I'm still looking, looking for my pants for that game last.

[Andy Holloway]

You took your pants off.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, they were, they combusted.

[Jason Moore]

Just straight fire. I've never seen anything. I was.

[Andy Holloway]

I never seen nothing like that in all my days.

[Jason Moore]

Here's how crazy last night's game was. I brought my wife in to see it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And if you don't know now, you know that my wife, she's not the football fanatic. I'm like, tiff, you gotta come. She's like, I'm decorating. I'm like, did you gotta check this out?

[Andy Holloway]

Did she appreciate what you had told her?

[Jason Moore]

She lovingly pretended to.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's a good wife. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy. And the game was so long.

[Mike Wright]

I'll say.

[Andy Holloway]

My story is my wife was not happy with how long it was.

[Mike Wright]

I had an event last night. My wife and I went and watched the speaker. So I was. I tape delayed the game. I went completely dark though, on.

[Andy Holloway]

I noticed it was depressing. I had no one to talk to. I turned on the DND other than Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I wanted. I was there, bro. I had no one to talk to. We were talking all night.

[Mike Wright]

You're a nobody.

[Andy Holloway]

You were really rooting against me though. So let's move on. Let's hear the rest of the story.

[Mike Wright]

Whenever you set up the game to tape, it always asks you, it's a live event. Do you want to add 30 minutes?

[Jason Moore]

Of course.

[Mike Wright]

I don't want to miss the end of this game. As far as I know, the Kansas City Chiefs won the game because the Rams were driving. And then it just cut out.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you're, you're. First of all, learn to dvr, bro. If you're Learn to Sports dvr, I'm an hour And a half on every sporting event.

[Mike Wright]

You add an hour and a half.

[Andy Holloway]

To everyone I've ever done. No joke.

[Mike Wright]

If your big bucks has like a thousand terabyte DVR, it's 2018.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, here's the thing.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

In mine's serving your DVR for. No, it's 90% for inference, not Dora.

[Jason Moore]

If you. Yo Gabba Gabba. If you ever needed the hour and a half, you're going to be real upset if it didn't. If it, you know, if you lost that recording.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you enjoy the game, Jason?

[Jason Moore]

I genuinely had a blast watching that game from the get go. You know there's crazier endings to football games more memorable. But I can't remember a game where from the first drive on it was non stop entertainment. Pure greatness.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that what you genuine question? Is that what you would want every week or would you prefer 35, 31 some defense being played?

[Mike Wright]

There was defense played but there was defensive scores.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I don't settle for garbage.

[Andy Holloway]

There were defense.

[Jason Moore]

30 to 30 is garbage when you give up.

[Andy Holloway]

When there's over 1,000 yards, it's. There's not a lot of defense being played. Would we agree with that?

[Jason Moore]

I saw people playing defense every snap.

[Andy Holloway]

Highest scoring game in Monday Night football history. Over 773 games.

[Mike Wright]

Look, this, this better be the Super Bowl. We need a. We need a rematch.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you think it will be though?

[Jason Moore]

No, I think the Saints is really.

[Mike Wright]

Going to be very, very tough to go through New Orleans.

[Jason Moore]

But that's still going to be a.

[Mike Wright]

Great Saints versus Chiefs if it happens.

[Andy Holloway]

And the Chiefs, I mean they lost in Foxborough so if they don't have the one seed and they have to go back there, that's going to be a tough game too.

[Jason Moore]

Andy Reid will definitely mismanage the game in the playoffs. So it'll be, it'll be.

[Andy Holloway]

I was so impressed that he got to the two minute warning with three timeouts and it worked to his advantage. He did it. He gave my homes a chance. But I believe I went into last night's game in our league of record down by 20 with the Tyreke Mahomes stack in one by 80 points. Something like that.

[Jason Moore]

It was against me. That is correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that worked out real quick.

[Mike Wright]

Actual fantasy analysis on this game.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean the big players of course, they're great. Todd Gurley is a top story from this game. We saw a lot of Malcolm Brown. Now I was watching the game on skip 30 seconds so I mean unfortunately I missed a lot of that stunning Jason Whitten analysis.

[Andy Holloway]

You are so fortunate. But go on.

[Mike Wright]

But what my point is, I didn't hear anything about Todd Gurley of why is he not on the field.

[Andy Holloway]

But you noticed it in passing, which is I think what the point. Like there's something. There was something banged up wrong about Todd Gurley last night. Only 12 carries in a game where, look, it was one of the highest scoring games in NFL history. He put up his lowest scoring fantasy game of the year. People were freaking out about it and for good reason. Because you had multiple red zone carries by Malcolm Brown. You had very few carries by Todd Gurley. And even from the design screen standpoint, they ran a few things to him. But it wasn't like a staple of what the offense was doing despite Brandon Cooks going out for a brief period of time despite no Cooper Cup. And yeah, he seems banged up, but you got the bye week. You got two weeks and you know he'll be okay.

[Mike Wright]

We haven't heard anything. The other takeaway is Josh Reynolds, 6 for 80 with a hose down. He was, he was very involved. Eight targets compared to the other the big two guys. Cooks at 12. Robert woods had 11 made. Josh Reynolds.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean this is the waiver wire show. We'll get into that in a little bit. But in my he shoot up. He is a 100% must pick up. You're on potentially the best offense in the league. You're on the field at all times. The opportunity for fantasy production will be there. And he's a good player. I believe he's a good player.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's a good player. I think we'll talk about it when he comes up and I think he's obviously a pickup. Depending on we'll see what expectations are. Also, Gerald Everett had two more touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

Are we going to climb? He's officially Everett.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay, I see that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's back.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm adding him to my stream team.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think it was ever there yet. It's coming.

[Mike Wright]

It was.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it was never there, but he's officially on the stream team when it comes to tight ends in terms of. Look, you can take a shot with him. He was probably, you know, in a game with this kind of over under which by the way, Vegas took a major bath. 69% of people, I hope they're clean now. Bet on the over. They're cleaned out. Oh, cleaned out. We got there.

[Jason Moore]

He saved it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes you should pause to make sure you got the right joke.

[Mike Wright]

Never.

[Andy Holloway]

Because you could get like you. It's good or better. Mike. Like, they're all good, but you could be better.

[Mike Wright]

I could, but you just. I'm like a machine gun. I gotta fire them out.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree. You are. Let's get into the news.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league.

[Mike Wright]

Machine Gun Mic.

[Andy Holloway]

Machine Gun Mike, my grandpa used to call me. You get better with age.

[Jason Moore]

Most like a machine gun. Like.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think that's true. Twitter @ the FF Ballers. You can follow Machine Gun Mike @ffhitman. You can follow Jason @ Jason FFL. I'm @ Andy Holloway. I was live tweeting the whole game.

[Mike Wright]

Long. Oh, jealous.

[Andy Holloway]

50% of them were Jason Whitten related. Yeah, Jason. Jason Whitten has a. I tweeted this last night. He has a random analysis button that he pushes. And then just like. It's like one of those dolls where you pull the string in the back and then some sentence comes out. And like, 50% of those sentences are tied in related. But my favorite. My favorite. And Booger did it, too. My favorite was negative plays like Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

He took a.

[Andy Holloway]

He took a little outside zone run. He lost the yard. And literally he goes. That's what I love about Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

My favorite of the broadcast group is how they're emphatically in the middle of a point and they're saying, this is really good. And then they just stop. And it's like, I was done with that sentence. It's like, what? Where did your analysis go? It just stopped.

[Andy Holloway]

Imagine the chemistry problems we would have if we put Jason, like, out in the front room on, like, a ladder. And then we were like. We just hook up his headphones. Like, the chemistry problem of having him down on the field, he jumps in and he feels like he has to just scream one big sentence to you and then go back to Blade hands Witten. I'm sorry. People. Every. Every few people are like, I'm being too hard on him. No, it was bad. It is bad. They're all gone. This shows about fancy football, though, so let's get into it. News and notes. Packers coach Mike McCarthy said that Jimmy Graham will try to play through his broken thumb in week 12.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you need your thumbs?

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

Do you need your thumbs for the old catching?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, for the catching. It helps. I would.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, he's not a blocker.

[Jason Moore]

No. The thing is, is he has been disappointing in general. You put him out there with a broken thumb. He's someone you need to stay away from for fantasy, in my view, until.

[Andy Holloway]

He proves Gerald Everett, Jimmy Graham right now. Drop Graham to pick up Everett today. I mean, it's the waiver show.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, if you. If you have to have a start next week, I'm not starting Jimmy Graham, so.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you can't start Everett next week.

[Jason Moore]

That is also true. So I would, but I don't. I don't think I'm dropping Jimmy Graham. He's one of those situations where because of how bad the tight end landscape is, I think you still need to hold on to an Aaron Rodgers, you know, lead tight end.

[Andy Holloway]

So Lance Kendricks is what you're saying. Pick up, pick up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would rather play Kendricks this.

[Jason Moore]

Week, not Tanya and Harding.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, carry on. Johnson not expected to play on Thanksgiving.

[Mike Wright]

So fantasy football platforms, if you could just go ahead and mark him out, that would be the first run tonight. I would appreciate it.

[Andy Holloway]

So if he's not expected to play, do you turn to Theo Riddick in this op. You know, in this game?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Theo Riddick is a fine flex.

[Andy Holloway]

Plate, so maybe he's a. We'll talk about him soon. Then the Bucks are going to go back to Jameis Winston as their starting quarterback. Ping pong ball keeps going back and forth, at least for the first half and. Yeah, exactly. It's like we. We do our projections every week. We always have to factor in the second quarterback in Tampa, and we're like, is this second quarterback in Tampa going to outperform Brock Ostweiler this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's basically who's higher. Taysom Hill, who we know will get work, or the backup quarterback for Tampa Bay who might start half the game.

[Mike Wright]

Because did you guys realize that on the week Jameis Winston was quarterback 15?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I did realize that.

[Mike Wright]

Playing half of a game like finished ahead of Matt Ryan, it's such an effort.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, I think the number a few weeks ago was the quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

They still are.

[Andy Holloway]

The quarterback for Tampa is In the top five.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's QB2.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay. In the top two. And yet you can be buried by starting them because they get swapped out. O.J. howard getting a second opinion on the ankle. Initial testing revealed good news. This is good news for fantasy owners, but we don't know what his chance to play is this week.

[Mike Wright]

Good news. So he wants a second opinion.

[Andy Holloway]

He likes positive reinforcement.

[Jason Moore]

No, he's. I don't think he plays this week.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably not.

[Jason Moore]

It was projected to be a high ankle sprain. Although didn't he have a high ankle sprain earlier this season? And played that week.

[Andy Holloway]

So no, he didn't play that week.

[Mike Wright]

It was.

[Andy Holloway]

He took some time off.

[Mike Wright]

It was coming off of the buy I think was the by week.

[Andy Holloway]

He missed some time. That's why everybody went and freaked out about Cameron Brait for a week with O.J. howard. But Bray didn't really deliver. Maybe he did come back that same week though. He surprised everyone.

[Jason Moore]

I don't remember when he has not missed a. Well, he missed week four, but I think that's the week he went out. So we'll see.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

We'll see.

[Andy Holloway]

Joe Flacco, chance he returns in week 12 but not expected back. I don't think you probably play Lamar Jackson if you expected Flacco back right away. That's what my view would be. I think if you were trying to bridge for a week, you might have played RG3. I think they're probably planning on Lamar Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

I'm with you.

[Andy Holloway]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I think Lamar starts again and Lamar will be a fine quarterback stream again.

[Andy Holloway]

Marcus Mariota suffered a stinger in week 11. He's not in the concussion protocol. He's hope. They're hopeful he'll be back to play Monday night. This is more related to. Can you trust a like pass catching option or ancillary piece against the Texans? No, I mean, that's a bad matchup. Bench them all. And the Redskins have signed Mark Sanchez.

[Jason Moore]

That'll be fun.

[Mike Wright]

Mark Sanchez.

[Andy Holloway]

Little Christmas gift for Mark.

[Mike Wright]

Welcome back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. And you know, Colt McCoy runs around a little bit. You could see Mark Sanchez. Sanchez.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, don't put that on the world.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you know, it might be entertaining. Might be fun. Are you ready for Mark Sancho to win the NFC East? Is that what I. Oh, what a.

[Mike Wright]

World we live in.

[Andy Holloway]

What a time to be alive and then upset. You know, like the Rams in the first round.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, stop it. Just stop.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Let's talk waivers instead.

[Jason Moore]

Put me in.

[Andy Holloway]

Coach Mark Sanchez, obviously the big pickup here in the waiver.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Chiefs and Rams, they get a week off. They deserve it. They scored two weeks worth of points last night. So no Rams and Chiefs in week 12. But other than that, which may make up about half your roster, there aren't any other bye weeks. The remainder of the season. Let's start at the wide receiver position. Looking at the waiver wire. Big pickups this week. Who are your favorites?

[Jason Moore]

Well, we talked about them a second ago, but my two favorite pickups are Josh Reynolds and Cortland Sutton. Those are the two guys right Now, Corland Sutton's taken in a lot of leagues. Well, we talked about this the last like 3 weeks running. His schedule was really bad after DT was traded. But from this point onward, it is unbelievably great. Not a single bad matchup. I think he's going to have a great rest of the way. And Josh Reynolds to me is a must start type of player. I think when you are on the field for, you know, 89% of the snaps for a team that is passing the ball as well as the Rams are, we don't know what's going on with Gurley. I mean, it's not always going to be as fruitful as Kansas City. The matchup won't be that good. But if you throw a guy like that out there in your flex and you're, and you're wondering, you know, you've got the flip a coin type of guys. His probability of having a touchdown even in a bad game is higher than, you know, having to throw out a player from the Cardinals or a player from the jets, you know, reminder, just.

[Mike Wright]

Real quick, Jay, he is on by this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So you mean you're picking him up to stash him for two weeks?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. I mean it obviously your favorite to be accountable.

[Andy Holloway]

Can I be the counterbalance though?

[Jason Moore]

Please?

[Andy Holloway]

The counterbalance to me is this game. Obviously. Kansas City was a piece of the puzzle. Todd Gurley being banged up and then barely turning the running game is a piece of the puzzle. I look at Josh Reynolds as an absolute look. I understand picking him up, I understand the offense, I understand all those, the snaps. But there are similarities here between him and Marquez Valdez. Scantling in the sense that not the number one option, okay. Could get lost in the shuffle depending on the game plan. Gerald Everett obviously had a big role. Tyler Higby caught a bunch of passes. Brandon Cooks left for a little while. I think you can get a great game out of Josh Reynolds. I don't think he's an auto flex. That's just what my.

[Mike Wright]

I think he's. Well, I think he's.

[Andy Holloway]

Unless you consider, you know, MBS is out there for every snap and he had a dud of a game.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I would, I would still pick up. Well, I don't think anyone in this, in this wide receiver list is.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I'd much rather have Corland Sutton and I'd much rather have Taylor Gabriel.

[Jason Moore]

I would really.

[Mike Wright]

We haven't even hit the name. That is my number one guy of.

[Andy Holloway]

The week is Treekwon Smith and DJ Moore. Yeah. Those two are big pickups.

[Mike Wright]

Traquan for the New Orleans Saints, I think this was the breakout game for him at 10 for 157. He scored. He had 13 targets. I mean, he was an absolute target hog this this past week. And the schedule for him is pretty delightful with Atlanta. Dallas, Tampa Bay are his next three matchups. I'm. Traquan's my number one waiver wire or number one wide receiver pickup of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

He's probably better to talk about than Sutton or DJ Moore. He's. He's far less owned than both of them because he had that gooser. We talked about both DJ Moore and Trey Quan Smith on the show yesterday. Rookie production goes up in the second half of the season. I would take. Yeah, I would take Treekwon over Reynolds. Sutton's probably owned in your league.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he.

[Andy Holloway]

The likelihood of him being owned is pretty high.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. And then there's guys like Kiki. He had a very solid game, got nine targets, five for 77, while Demarius Thomas did nothing.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

And I don't, I don't expect Demarius to do nothing. But I thought the trade was very strange for Houston. It seemed like a panic move with Will Fuller being out and you're fighting for a division. You brought in a wide receiver you thought could help. And Anthony Miller, of course, is surging. He didn't do a ton this past week, but the Chicago Bears offense as a whole didn't really need to do anything. They were manhandling the Vikings. So all these guys are interesting. And I would go. Like I said, Smith is my number one guy. Number two I would pick up would be. It would be Sutton if he's there. Otherwise it would be DJ Moore.

[Andy Holloway]

And maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't you say yesterday you preferred more to Treekwon Smith on the show?

[Jason Moore]

Perhaps.

[Mike Wright]

Perhaps I said that on the show. But after time and digging into thing.

[Andy Holloway]

More, I like you like Traekwon more.

[Jason Moore]

Well, Traquan does have the Thanksgiving matchup against Atlanta. That is going to be great. I mean, whenever you can have one of those awesome high scoring matchups and it's on Thursday. Gives you, you know, the advantage of knowing are you up? Do you have the lead? Can I play it safe through the rest? And Tra'k 1's a type of player very boom bust where if he has a bad game and it doesn't go his way, then you know, you need to swing for the fences elsewhere.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would you start on Thanksgiving? Taylor Gabriel or Anthony Miller? Taylor Gabriel had three times as many targets, but Miller is scoring. He scored five times in eight games. Do you want the volume of Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

Gabriel or do you want the touchdown Anthony Miller? We've seen the volume from Taylor Gabriel hit like this in certain matchups before.

[Andy Holloway]

A couple for the rest of the season, by the way, as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would rather have Anthony Miller. I'd rather have Anthony Miller. A couple guys just real quick say you're in a super pinch get or getting super pinched, I guess.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

But are you interested? It's your department, the pinching.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. It's not my department, so I figure it's gotta be yours.

[Mike Wright]

Bruce Ellington, who is now on the Detroit Lions, if you haven't been paying attention, he came in and immediately made an impact. Nine targets, was six for 52. I don't think any of us expect Marvin Jones to play on Thursday. And with Golden Tate vacating that slot roll. Bruce Ellington, he's got juice. I mean, he. I don't think he's as interesting as the other wide receivers we talked about, but if you're in a deeper league. Bruce Ellington, are you interested?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm interested in the sense that Golden Tate left a hole that was not filled by anyone and they went out and they signed Bruce Ellington, who is a good player. He's always been a favorite of reception perception. He hasn't been able to see her all the time, but if he's on the field, he's a good player and the opportunity will be there. I don't love the matchup, though, this week against Chicago.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't really think the opportunity is going to be there for him.

[Jason Moore]

You don't?

[Andy Holloway]

No. Because if Marvin Jones comes back, I mean, Marvin Jones being off the field was a huge, gaping hole. Sure.

[Mike Wright]

But you expect Marvin this week?

[Andy Holloway]

I do. I think Marvin's going to play on Thursday, but I don't. I don't know for sure. Most platforms are projecting him to play right now, but we'll see.

[Mike Wright]

Let's. Let's live in the world right now where Marvin Jones is out and you got to make a waiver wire decision. Would you rather pick up Bruce Ellington, Trey Quinn or John Ross?

[Andy Holloway]

So tomorrow, not knowing about Marvin Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

And that's what you're going to have to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, it's not. It's going to be. I guess it'll be John Ross in that situation, but you're banking on no Green in that situation. You're banking on no Marvin Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, Ellington's done this before. I mean, you're not going to get a score from him. Maybe you get three catches, maybe you get four or five. It's what you need. If that's what you want. Yeah, I mean, but if Marvin's back, what are you going to get from him? I don't have high expectations for him coming into that offense being the third or fourth option.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

But maybe if carry on misses, Marvin misses, then it's love, you know, Someone's.

[Mike Wright]

Got to catch the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone has to catch the ball. Are you interested in Chris Conley? Seven for 74. Two touchdowns last night. Sammy Watkins. Sammy Watkins started because he made a bet somewhere that he could start the game. I mean, he was.

[Jason Moore]

He was like limping onto the field to start the game. It was like, wait, why are you playing?

[Andy Holloway]

Does he have like a contract incentive for game started? I'm not even joking.

[Mike Wright]

Like, it was phone to Cal Rivkin.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, his first play, he looked like he was just limping up the sideline and then he was gone. He played five snaps. So if you started him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The thing is, congrats if he's re injured the foot 7%.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, see, I don't think he re injured it because he was limping on. On the way out to the field. They said he was limping in warm up. So I was like 7%.

[Mike Wright]

Why are you. Why are you wasting an active roster spot on him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he made a bet. He bet Andy Reid. He's like, watch this.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If. If it turns out that it's anything serious, if it comes out this week and we won't know anything this week because they're on by. They don't have to put out their injury status this week. So unfortunately, you won't know. But Chris Conley is someone you need to monitor if Watkins is out. You know, getting a piece of that offense is never a bad idea.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's. Well, we want to thank Pristine Auction.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

That was very professional.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. Thank you. A Stefon Diggs color rush jersey. 82 bucks. Signed, authentic, verified signatures that you win at auction. We've got them all over our studio. We all three of us have them across our house. The holidays are coming up. It is awesome. You have to check it out. Hundreds of daily auctions that change every day. So go to pristineauction, p r I-S-T I n e auction.com, make a completely free account and make sure that you let them know you found out about them from the fantasy footballers.

[Andy Holloway]

And then. He meant houses. We don't. We live in different houses.

[Jason Moore]

That is true.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, Foot Clan, want to get you hyped for something. Want to tell you about something that's coming tomorrow. First off, it's the Megalodon show tomorrow. If you're new to the show, this is the annual Thanksgiving treat where we fill your belly with fantasy delights.

[Jason Moore]

Hydrate. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Get ready. Because the show is incredibly long. We jam pack everything in, and on top of that, we always do our Megalodon giveaway. And as a way of saying thank you to the fans for supporting this show, supporting us as we're, we're asking you to cast some votes for us. So we want to give back because you're giving to us. So there's a big, big Megalodon giveaway. It's going to [e-mail]. it will go up tomorrow.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, is it like a Doug Martin jersey?

[Andy Holloway]

Nah. Nah, man, Nah.

[Mike Wright]

No Krampus involved. We're giving away a signed Hopkins jersey, a signed Saquon Barkley jersey, and a signed Michael Thomas mini helmet. Go check it out. It's completely free to enter. It'll [e-mail].

[Andy Holloway]

Those are three fantasy football superstars, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

They are.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way, I went on a podcast last night and I'm getting Red Dead Redemption questions on podcasts now. That's what. That's where we come.

[Jason Moore]

That's called living your best life.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say, speaking of not sponsors, but, yeah, I'm getting Red Dead questions.

[Mike Wright]

What kind of question?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he wanted to know specifically whether. Whether it was him. Well, whether it was all it was cracked up to be. And I said. I said, ultimately, yeah, I've been pretending I can play video games for about 15 years now. And as a father of three, most of the time I buy video games and I put them in the. I put them in a box. And then I don't play them.

[Mike Wright]

They stay protected like a rookie baseball card.

[Andy Holloway]

That is exactly right. Just in case they become valuable later on. And I said I actually played this game. So that's the greatest praise that you could give. A 34 year old man with children could play this game and force his way through to play it. So man, that sounds like a sponsor. That sounds so much like a sponsorship. It's not. All right, running backs, let's talk about running back waiver pickups. For me it's just there's three guys I'm looking at and no one else really. Now we'll get into the weeds with some deeper items and options. For me, I'm looking at gus Edwards, Elijah McGuire and Josh Adams. Those are the three I'm looking at. Edwards is unowned. Elijah McGuire's basically unknown. Was on by and then Josh Adams. Mike, you brought him up. Rising star yesterday. 32% owned. He, he had 55% of the snaps last week, 58% of the carries in a horrible misery of a defeat. But how do you guys prioritize those three and does it depend on what you're looking for?

[Mike Wright]

I think of those, I do like those three guys. I would actually throw in Jalen Richard as the fourth option.

[Andy Holloway]

Jalen, don't proliferate that broken game.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Jalen Richard, I would probably prioritize him over Elijah McGuire. But I get where you're coming from that they're a pretty similar tier of waiver wire pickup between Gus and Adams. It's really difficult because Gus Edwards looks like an absolute Mack truck running the ball. He looks fantastic. Gets a matchup with the Oakland Raiders which is a Thanksgiving delight for him.

[Jason Moore]

Not just Oakland. I mean we've talked about Alex Collins upcoming schedule. But if it, if Gus does take this over.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Oakland, Atlanta, Kansas City, Tampa Bay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's nice.

[Jason Moore]

That's, that's. Get in the playoffs, win in the playoffs, have a great time. I mean Gus is my clear cut number one because maybe he's not involved. Maybe Gus is.

[Mike Wright]

Harbaugh actually have a ticket for the Gus bus? We don't know.

[Jason Moore]

He might not. The Gus bus might have flat tires. But Elijah McGuire, Jalen Rashard, those guys to me are like they're pinch flex options that maybe will be okay, but they don't have the chance in, you know, in my view to be the waiver wire pickups that win weeks that become flat out must start. Top 15 type running backs. Gus Edwards, if he ends up getting the work, especially if Lamar Jackson is there. I mean they rush the ball over 70% of their snaps. That is so backwards in the NFL right now. And you know, he looks good carrying the ball. And with that matchup, Gus is my clear cut. Like I would spend the number one waiver priority. I would burn it on Gus at this point in the year. What else are you waiting for?

[Andy Holloway]

I would burn it on Gus just to play him this week. I mean that would be the ultimate reason why I bewildered that you have a team that has had what, three must own backs so far this season. I mean there was a time when Javorius was the guy you got to go grab. You know, Alex Collins is the guy you got to start.

[Jason Moore]

Just wait for Ty Montgomery, I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Going to say and then Kenneth, Kenneth Dixon too. So I have my hesitation about the long term viability of Gus. He's definitely a player that could be a trap. Oh certainly Alex Collins could have three touchdowns next week against Oakland because you know, Gus is the wind blew a different direction.

[Jason Moore]

Gus is not a lock to get the carries he had this last week. Could be a hot hand approach. But I brought this up on yesterday's show. Some of the quotes that were coming from Harbaugh about what he's been doing in practice and it's time to reward him and that they haven't had a guy like him so far this year. If Lamar Jackson continues as the starter, which I expect, I Predict Gus has 20 characters. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And to speak to Josh Adams, it's the similar situation where coach Peterson of the Eagles coming into the game said Josh Adams is going to get more work. And we hear that, you know, all the time this player, yada yada, they're so great in practice and then they don't actually get on the field. He was put on the field and has a string of decent matchups. So Josh Adams I think is a bit safer than Gus Edwards. Not a ton, but Gus and his matchups would make him my number one running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Any chance that if you need to start this week, you'd sign Theo Riddick above Josh Adams?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Play on Thanksgiving.

[Jason Moore]

If I'm in a full ppr, I.

[Mike Wright]

Still don't full only I still don't.

[Jason Moore]

Fully trust that Josh Adams is going to be the guy. Now I love the matchup a whole lot more for Josh Adams. So I, I probably would still go Josh Adams especially looking long term. You've got, you know, if Kerryon is only missing a week then Theo is not going to be valuable after this week.

[Mike Wright]

So I Probably missed two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

I would not put Theo of Josh Adams, but he's in the conversation and in a PPR league he's, you know, he'll have double digit targets this week with Carry on out.

[Andy Holloway]

In case you're curious about LeGarrett Blunt's role in the offense, his last 21 carries for Detroit have gone for a total of 16 yards.

[Mike Wright]

That's a good free agent signing.

[Jason Moore]

I think I could do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes you need players that make you think I could do that.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

See, now this man was on.

[Jason Moore]

Bye.

[Mike Wright]

He's infinite.

[Jason Moore]

He is all.

[Mike Wright]

He's in a revenge game against the former team talking about Frank Gore taking on the Indianapolis Colts. If you are desperate, are you going with the infinite man?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, if you're desperate, sure.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Gore, Gore. In desperation, though, for years that's been the.

[Jason Moore]

The.

[Andy Holloway]

So I don't think it's a big revenge game.

[Mike Wright]

So this guy might also be in your waiver. Royce Freeman zoned it about half a league. Frank Gore or Royce Freeman?

[Andy Holloway]

I'll take Gore.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think I would as well. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

More snaps, more carries. By the way, did you see Jon Gruden say yes? Oh, John, Richard might be the MVP of our team.

[Mike Wright]

Never change. John, I love you so much.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he said he reminds me of Charlie Garner, which I just laughed at because who makes those references anymore? That's literally time capsule stuff right there. It's like he's. Like he wasn't announcing football for the last.

[Jason Moore]

It's just so crazy to me that Jon Gruden was Sean McVeigh. I mean, he was the young. So young. He's the young. It's been 84 years, coach. That's like that was who Gruden was. And then he. He just never.

[Mike Wright]

Look, we all get old.

[Jason Moore]

He grew up fast.

[Andy Holloway]

By the way. Probably a good time to pick up Malcolm Brown.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, Hancock.

[Mike Wright]

Watch.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're the Todd Gurley owner.

[Mike Wright]

We've been harping on it for a.

[Andy Holloway]

Few weeks, especially going into the buy. Who's gonna. Who other than the girly honor is going to snake Malcolm Brown from you Go get him right now.

[Mike Wright]

Spencer Ware, Malcolm Brown, Gio Bernard.

[Andy Holloway]

Geo's a big one.

[Mike Wright]

Those are really, really.

[Andy Holloway]

Austin Eckler. If for some reason I was gonna.

[Mike Wright]

Say the next tier, I'll put Austin Eckler, Rod Smith and Chase Edmonds. And then maybe Jalen Samuels. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not as locked into that because you don't even we don't know that it would be Samuels. But those other guys, you can feel pretty confident that if something happens to the starter, they will get a huge uptick in opportunity.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, gentlemen, I couldn't find our dartboard. So do you guys still want to talk tight ends?

[Jason Moore]

No, not if you. Not if we can't throw some.

[Mike Wright]

Somehow we're in the tight end waiver show. Vance McDonald's an MVP of this, this particular segment because he's been a waiver wire tight end pickup for about eight weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

I almost take him off the list now though.

[Mike Wright]

Pick him up.

[Jason Moore]

He is.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he's.

[Jason Moore]

He's almost finally, finally owned in the majority of leagues. It's taken way too long for people to pick him up, but he is owned in 61% of leagues. It's probably even more than that considering, you know, factoring in dead leagues. If he's there, certainly pick him up. But I agree with Andy. He's probably not.

[Mike Wright]

All right, so then the other guys.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Cameron Brait is really interesting this week and I guess we're, you know, Brait should have the opportunity to himself and Jameis Winston's the quarterback. Now. That's not a guarantee in fantasy football for anything. But you're talking about tight. The tight end position where players were frequently goosed this past week. You're looking for some sort of guaranteed reception totals because it's maybe less about winning with your tight end and more about not losing with your tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So let me ask you this. Would you rather go after a tight end like Herndon who you're going to.

[Mike Wright]

From the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, the Jets. And you're hoping for a touchdown. You know, basically, would you rather have a guy who has a greater chance at a touchdown but is not that involved in the offense or would you rather have a guy like Hyerman who is involved? He's going to get five plus targets. He won't get shut out, but he might. He's probably going to turn it into like 25 yards.

[Mike Wright]

I. Between Herndon and Hyerman. I would go with Jeff Hyerman. My. Cameron Braid is my top tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Pickup of the week. And behind him. I would, I would, I would put Jeff Heirman at number two.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you interested in Joe New Smith after 6 for 44 and he scored.

[Mike Wright]

The previous two weeks he has been growing. The question for him is the health of the rest of the wide receiver core for the Tennessee Titans because they've.

[Andy Holloway]

And the quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Blonde bombshell might Start this year, Blaine.

[Mike Wright]

Gabbard against the Houston Texans.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a. Here's a conundrum for you. Let's say hypothetically, your backup quarterback on your dynasty team.

[Mike Wright]

I know where this is going.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's say the backup quarterback on your dynasty team was, I don't know, Alex Smith. And let's say your starting quarterback is, I don't know, let's just say Patrick Mahomes.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. Or Jared Goff.

[Andy Holloway]

Or Jared Goff. Whatever. And so you got the bye week coming off. And look, Alex Smith, by the way, get well soon. That injury, the news report coming out, it's not good. Very bad. Spiral fracture, broke through the skin. Compound fracture. Very, very serious injury. Gonna be very hard for him to come back in general. So get well soon. Alex Smith. Would you rather start Blaine Gabbard?

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Colt McCoy or Josh McCown, who could very well start this week as well.

[Jason Moore]

I would go with Colt. I think Colt is actually capable and he will run the ball a little bit, so congratulations.

[Andy Holloway]

Cool. That hypothetical situation obviously can't be true for anybody. That would be disgusting because it would be very depressing.

[Jason Moore]

Back to Jonu Smith at tight end. He. He's a guy that I've always liked the talent. Like, I remember last year thinking, when Delaney Walker's done, Jonu very much can take over that spot for the Titans. I don't like their quarterback situation. Jonas Smith is on the field a lot, but he's a run blocker. He has not been used, not been running enough routes. However, the matchup, while it looks bad, you know, because it's a good defense in Houston. We've seen the last two teams really attack the defensive line pressure by throwing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Hyruman had what, 10 catches against him.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. You know, Hyerman had a great game. And then Jordan Reed, number one tight end of the week this last week against Houston. So I think Jonah Smith in a bad situation should be looked at.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you play targets? I mean, last week for Smith raised them up from that like, you know, one red zone target category higherman against.

[Mike Wright]

Pittsburgh or Jonu against Houston. As of right now, I. I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Believe that Hyerman will ever get near the red zone. So I'm going to go Jonah, Jonah.

[Mike Wright]

And then talking about defenses this week, Dallas kind of shoots up the board against Washington again, it's Colton. I still think Cole McCoy is okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. But I transitioned. Beat up, hobby of line, no pass catching weapons. Dallas's defense playing well.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm definitely interested in that. Between the. Between The Jacksonville Buffalo matchup. Which side of the DSTs do you want?

[Andy Holloway]

Both.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I know, but you say you.

[Jason Moore]

Got to pick one, of course, rather than Jackson side.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, they turned the Steelers over and, you know, pretty much made it competitive.

[Mike Wright]

I guess they're pretty well owned. But so you.

[Andy Holloway]

The over under in the game, Buffalo. The over under in that game is 37 and a half points. It's the lowest of the entire week. The game's in Buffalo. So I would start both defenses with confidence. I mean, if Buffalo can slow Leonard Fournette down, I mean, it's kind of.

[Jason Moore]

Like what's going to happen, you know, New England as well, Another Good deal. Josh McCown. We were all excited to see him because he's kind of been this, you know, crazy. He's a mythical man these days. Mythical gunslinger. He just kind of sucked last week. It's like maybe, you know, this time has come and so, yeah, I don't think New England's going to be the get right game for McCown if he plays.

[Andy Holloway]

Fair enough. All right, let's get into the quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

Full stream ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

If New England somehow out there, they're a good start against the jets.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mr. McCown.

[Mike Wright]

So I was the first one into the show Doc to pick my streamer, which means it's Jameis Winston. He's widely available and he's playing against the San Francisco 49ers. And as we talked about, Tampa Bay quarterback equals quarterback two on the year. Jameis. It's frustrating to watch. He's going to turn the ball over, but he's also likely to throw 300 yards and a couple touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, speaking of a couple touchdowns, my start of the week is a guy who has been throwing a couple touchdowns in his last four games, which has been a real change obviously for the Cleveland Browns. He's on pace for 36 touchdowns and eight interceptions. That's bad statistical manipulation on a small.

[Mike Wright]

You're just saying over the four games.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, over the four game stretch. I mean, he's been throwing multiple touchdowns every week. He's got a great matchup this week against Cincinnati. Who is the 31st best team against quarterbacks. You know, the offense seems to be finally clicking and I believe in Baker. I think he is an exceptional talent. Things are coming together. The matchup is right. I would be absolutely fine streaming him and he could still get it done with his legs as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Some have called Jon Gruden, you know, not dependable as a head coach. But I'll tell you what's dependable that defense given up two or more touchdowns. The Oakland Raiders have given up two plus in seven straight games, including to Josh Rosen. Yeah. And the Raiders really screwed the pooch.

[Mike Wright]

Last week, losing to the Cardinals, going for that number one pick.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. They beat the Cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Insert Ravens quarterback here. I'm starting and streaming a Ravens quarterback. If Lamar Jackson's available, you'll play flag. You got to grab him. And if Joe Flacco was back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Would you rather play? I mean, I guess you're. You're saying you would play Flacco, but Nick Mullens against Tampa Bay is also an intrigue.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'll take them. I'll take the Oakland man.

[Jason Moore]

Take the Ravens.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I don't. As well as Nick Mullens started his career and he played pretty well last week, they're still just rookie variables that are troublesome those games. You know, the more film you get on a player, the more you see them struggle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Tampa Bay has a lot of film on Eli Manning.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, sure didn't work out, but that's different because Eli's, you know, he's an established quarterback. Nick Mullen.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he's established.

[Andy Holloway]

Nick Mullins. Eli Manning has seen everything. Nick Mullins has not seen everything. The defenses have thrown at him in a game, and because of that, there's just more variability.

[Jason Moore]

They've made statues out of Eli Manning by this point, and they even allow those statues on the field behind the.

[Mike Wright]

Center to be the quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

To be the quarterback. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the first player in quarterback in history that will actually. His bust will go into the hall of Fame, but it will be. It will be him.

[Jason Moore]

It will just. He'll be there running.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But you can't tell.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Looks frozen.

[Andy Holloway]

I got it. Let me ask you guys this. I was asked this on the podcast last night, too. Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, are they hall of Famers?

[Mike Wright]

Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers is. To me.

[Jason Moore]

I am. I am a firm no on both guys.

[Mike Wright]

Philip Rivers is a Hall of Fame.

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like if you say yes to Philip Rivers, you have to say yes to Eli Manning because.

[Mike Wright]

Because of the Super Bowl.

[Andy Holloway]

He's won two Super Bowls.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I just. I hate the super bowl argument so much for quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

To me, it still does make sense. Multiple Super Bowls make sense. And I don't want Eli in because he's not a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback. And that's why I don't want Philip Rivers in those. Those guys will always be attached to each other because they were Draft day trade. You know, there's, there's.

[Andy Holloway]

I think if you take Eli Manning and you give it. He's got two Super Bowls and he's got two Super Bowl MVPs, right? And then the, the streak of consecutive games started, which is hard to do in the NFL if you take those things into account. He's a Hall of Famer.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he'll be. And I'm fully convinced Eli will be. Deserves a Hall of Famer. But no, he's not. He's not even one of the best 10 quarterbacks in the league. Even in his prime.

[Andy Holloway]

Not in his prime.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, in his prime, Maybe he was 8.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know about that.

[Mike Wright]

No, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

But is that hall of Fame? He's like the sixth.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, if I keep saying then you'll move him up. I mean, you've gone from 10 to 8 to 6.

[Jason Moore]

Shouldn't you have to be. To be hall of Fame? Shouldn't you have to be like, I don't know, top three in the league at some point?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, maybe, maybe. Yeah. I mean, there's a Drew Brees. Is he a Hall of Famer? He's never won an MVP award. Yes, he is, because he was never this in his generation. He was never the number one.

[Jason Moore]

And he is a top three quarterback year in and year out.

[Andy Holloway]

Top three in fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

In real life.

[Andy Holloway]

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, they were all ahead of him during most of Breed's career. So that absolutely right now destroys your argument.

[Jason Moore]

No, it doesn't.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, your argument's in shambles.

[Andy Holloway]

Shambles.

[Jason Moore]

How does having. You literally are saying my argument. He is a top three quarterback literally right now. No, he's the top three quarterback of.

[Andy Holloway]

So if you're a top three for one season, you're in the hall of Fame.

[Jason Moore]

I said you have to at least be a top three quarterback at some point. Eli Manning never got there. Drew Brees has been there multiple times and certainly this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Does.

[Jason Moore]

Does this matter, guys?

[Andy Holloway]

Both Rivers and I thought that was going to be the end of the sentence. Does this matter, guys? At all? Oh, there's that too.

[Mike Wright]

Rivers and Manning are both top eight.

[Jason Moore]

In passing touchdowns and passing yards all time.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, eli Manning had 4400 yard, 35 touchdown season. I'm pretty sure that puts him in the top five on the course of a season. He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, I think so.

[Jason Moore]

He will be. He shouldn't be. 352 career touchdowns if his last name were McLaughlin. Oh, he wouldn't get in.

[Mike Wright]

Nepotism.

[Andy Holloway]

If McLaughlin had two Super Bowl MVPs and two to. Well, let's pull the audience.

[Mike Wright]

I should do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's put this. We got Joe Hulk in the studio today.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He gets a shout out. Eli Manning. Is he a Hall of Famer? Joe?

[Jason Moore]

I agree.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he will be, but. Will be. But.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so Joe's. Joe is a smart guy and he is completely echoing everything I say, but.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't hear him.

[Jason Moore]

So that's why we're telling you. He. He's. He's going to get in. Probably doesn't deserve it.

[Andy Holloway]

However, I would love this to be a poll question.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Let's put this on our community tab on YouTube, baby. Josh, take care of that. If you haven't been involved. We got a rocking community tab.

[Mike Wright]

The four options.

[Andy Holloway]

Four options. It's either Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, both or neither.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there you go. That'll be the poll. Check it out on the community tab on our YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy 4.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you realize, gentlemen, because I'm about to hit this outro button. Do you realize that the only thing that stands between us and a Megalodon episode is the soundtrack button?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Megaloda tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

Ready?

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, I'm ready.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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