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Mike Wright
Hey, this is David Johnson, running back.
Jason Moore
Of the Arizona Cardinals, and you're listening.
Mike Wright
To the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Andy Holloway
Ah, welcome in.
Jason Moore
Whoa.
Andy Holloway
Friday, Mike.
Jason Moore
That one was hot.
Andy Holloway
I never know what volume level I'm gonna be at until it happens. I apologize to everybody who can't handle it.
Jason Moore
No, that was an 11 though. That was amazing.
Mike Wright
I mean, you not knowing your own volume speaks straight to my heart. I feel like I never know what is about to come out of my mouth.
Jason Moore
I'm having trouble controlling the volume of.
Mike Wright
My voice or what has already come out of my mouth.
Andy Holloway
Well, I mean, it fits that we do not know because who knew what was going to happen last night? I mean, what a. Whoo. What a surprising game. I remember asking on the show, I said, do you believe it's possible that the Cowboys can steal this game? And I believe you said, no, it is not possible. But football makes all things possible because you just, you know, you have 11 on 11 and sometimes, I mean, that Dallas defense last night, it showed they.
Jason Moore
Were legit and that was.
Andy Holloway
I feel like they found the cheat code on Drew Brees. I really do. They got interior pressure on him. He couldn't step up in the pocket.
Jason Moore
It wasn't just Drew Brees, though. It was the running game as well. I mean, Camara and Ingram were both incredibly inefficient, unable to get any big plays going. The timing of that performance sucks.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Fantasy people trying to get in, make the playoffs.
Jason Moore
You rode those guys. Camara, Breeze, Michael Thomas and you should have played Kirkwood.
Mike Wright
Well, in fairness, as we.
Andy Holloway
I think the timing might be better than you, than you think. Because if you rode those guys, maybe you're in and you're. Maybe, maybe you're not. Now you're scared because you didn't think this was possible.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Much better this week.
Andy Holloway
But it's not the fantasy playoffs for most people.
Jason Moore
Fair.
Mike Wright
Yeah. The best play of the game for the Saints, obviously the touchdown was the Traquan Smith Deep target that Keith Kirkwood stole and got the touchdown.
Jason Moore
If, if I played in the NFL, that's. Heck, yeah, that's not a bad strategy. If you were a low level wide receiver and you know, running after Antonio Brown, you know that they're going to send Brown on a 9 route. Just.
Mike Wright
I'm going there too.
Jason Moore
I happened to run my route right in front of you, Mr. Brown.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it was the. I believe it was the lowest yards for The Saints since 2001.
Jason Moore
Wow.
Andy Holloway
That's also probably. I mean, Traquan Smith has to be in the annals of hate for fantasy owners because this is the second time that they have. People have started him.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
And last night you probably forced him in your lineup with the fact he was active and off the injury report. Off the injury report. And this would have been the second time that people played him and got a goose. A full on zero. So look, some things, some takeaways from last night's game, fantasy wise. Jason and I were looking at this in the office. He was reading the snap counts for me. Benjamin Watson's been phased out of this offense in a lot of ways.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Josh Hill's out there blocking on 70% of snaps. Benjamin Watson snap counts down to the 30s. And you know Dan Arnold, the postman. Yeah, the postman himself.
Jason Moore
He almost delivered.
Andy Holloway
He did. He almost had a touchdown up the seam and then fumbled. And then they wasted the. Maybe you could argue they wasted their challenge there and they could have used the challenge on the Beasley play at the end of the game.
Jason Moore
Definitely could have.
Andy Holloway
But I think Arnold's interesting. I think you can look at him because they're targeting him intentionally and when you have an emerging player, I don't know, he'd be interesting to look at.
Jason Moore
Nope, don't hate him.
Andy Holloway
Zeke was. Zeke, 23 for 76. Didn't get a lot going on the ground, but you know, the Saints have been great against the run. But in the passing game, 6 for.
Mike Wright
60 in a touchdown, all the fantasy owners both happy and so angry that at the end of the game, on the first and goal from the one yard line because of the poor clock management, the rarity from Sean Payton, that they kneeled it out and Zeke was denied that final touchdown. Amari Cooper, look, he didn't have the game that you were hoping for, but he was fine. He was, he was very good. I mean, eight for 75, the clear cut, number one. And you know, this is where I was afraid because it's Amari Cooper that is he going to go out there and have a two for. This is new Cooper.
Jason Moore
It is a new man.
Mike Wright
It is. And I think you can trust Amari Cooper right now.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I agree. Not a great game from, you know, Dak in terms of fantasy production. Not a great game from Breeze, obviously. Breeze, Camara, Ingram, Thomas Camara saved you in a ppr. Eight, eight receptions, obviously. But it was, it was an off game for the Saints all the way through. It's tough, but we move on. It's Friday.
Mike Wright
Foot Clan Friday.
Andy Holloway
All right, today's Foot Clan Friday winner is Frank Overland. Frank. Oh, Frank, thank you so much for supporting the show@jointhefoot.com it's where over 7,000 listeners support this podcast, this independent fantasy football year round podcast. Keep it powered up and we give him a 55. $55.
Jason Moore
Not even a mouthful of water stopped me.
Andy Holloway
I was going to say Mike was mid drink and he didn't even bother swallowing before he let the 55 go.
Jason Moore
I just pulled it in the bottom of my mouth.
Andy Holloway
Last night was all about 55.
Mike Wright
Mr. Bandoresh Bandaresh, where are they going to put Sean Lee when he comes back?
Jason Moore
I mean, yeah, on the back.
Andy Holloway
If you play, if you play him on the back of Vanderas, not on the back, you can just put him.
Jason Moore
Right on his neck because that neck is amazing.
Andy Holloway
You're really into his neck.
Jason Moore
I look, there's not many necks that I've seen.
Mike Wright
Just imagine how tall he would be if he's riding chicken up on the shoulders. I mean, the swatted balls, there's no deep balls.
Andy Holloway
Well, you can, the rule is you can play as many people on the shoulders of another. It counts as one person. It's, it's the old trench coat rule.
Jason Moore
Two feet on the ground.
Andy Holloway
You have to have the trench coat on, though. I mean, that is for sure.
Mike Wright
Otherwise you can tell it's two. Look how tall Sean Lee is with.
Andy Holloway
The legs of Vanderas. Twitter.com the fantasy footballers. Follow us on there. We're on YouTube, Instagram, subscribe on Apple podcasts, wherever you're listening. We appreciate your reviews and we're going to get back into. Well, we'll get into in and out. We'll talk through some of the injuries for your fantasy teams and then we'll get into the rest of the fantasy forecast. Got my emerald step set on the show today. We've got Daily Dose. It'll be a, it'll be a wonderful Friday. Oh, let's, let's talk injuries.
Mike Wright
What's it gonna be?
Jason Moore
Me fly? Are you in or out?
Andy Holloway
All right, let's fly through these. In or out? Sam Darnold.
Jason Moore
Yeah, speaking of flying through them, I. He was limited on Thursday. I think he'll sit one more, but also, who cares?
Mike Wright
I agree.
Andy Holloway
Running backs, Gus Edwards.
Jason Moore
He returned to practice, so he's on track to play. Him and Alex Collins will both play. Marlon Mack, actually a full participant in the concussion protocol, so trending upwards.
Andy Holloway
Carry on.
Mike Wright
No, no, carry on's out. But the Marlon Mack news is pretty big. If he was full participant, I mean, he's going to. He should be cleared.
Andy Holloway
Do you like him, though? Because we talked a little bit about the difficulty of traveling. What, Jacksonville?
Mike Wright
Yeah. It's not the best matchup, but if he's a full participant, I think he continues the pace he's been on. And yeah, he's. He's all right for.
Jason Moore
For the youtubers. I can't stop chuckling over here because Jason's fresh off of a hefty workout where the. He worked him to the bone and a hot shower and his glass.
Mike Wright
Oh, I'll just keep fogging up.
Jason Moore
I can't handle it.
Andy Holloway
Why don't you do the, like, tip of your nose. You look really smart.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah, the librarian does.
Andy Holloway
That's. They still fog up. You give off that much heat.
Mike Wright
Dude, I run hot.
Andy Holloway
You're like a class three star.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I am.
Andy Holloway
I don't even know what that means. I don't know.
Jason Moore
I thought there was. Just.
Andy Holloway
Sounded like a thing you'd say.
Jason Moore
Scientific term I didn't know of.
Mike Wright
No, no.
Andy Holloway
He's a red giant. That's what he is.
Jason Moore
There you go.
Andy Holloway
There you go. You look both smart and stupid at the same time.
Mike Wright
That's kind of my cup of tea.
Andy Holloway
That is your. Your wheelhouse.
Jason Moore
Oh.
Andy Holloway
Wide receiver Stefan Diggs in around. Did not practice Wednesday or Thursday, but.
Mike Wright
He'S expected to play. I think he's going to be in.
Jason Moore
Ty Hilton just. He was expected to play and said he was going to play a couple weeks ago and did not, so be prepared. Hilton, I think, will play Emmanuel Sanders. He will play AJ Green.
Andy Holloway
In or out?
Mike Wright
I'm gonna. I'm gonna go out. I think most people are going in.
Jason Moore
He's trending in limited practice Wednesday and Thursday.
Mike Wright
What's your call?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, what's your in or out?
Jason Moore
In.
Andy Holloway
Marquis Goodwin, real quick.
Mike Wright
What's your call on that, Andy?
Andy Holloway
In.
Mike Wright
Okay.
Andy Holloway
Marquis Goodwin, in or out?
Mike Wright
It's weird. It's a personal. We don't. I tried to find more information on this. There's some personal reason he was given last week off. I assumed there had been. You know, usually this is like there's a death in the family. You go to take care of something like this and I can't find any information. But to have a multi week personal reason.
Jason Moore
Yeah, hopefully everything's all right.
Mike Wright
I would have to imagine out dealing.
Andy Holloway
With family matters again. Excused from practice, Devin Funches, Curtis Samuel, both could affect DJ Moore. Yeah, DJ Moore playing the hits.
Jason Moore
Oh, why is that dj? That was Lamar Miller. Don't steal my riff. Get out of here.
Andy Holloway
Look, he's a very limited dj. He's got a couple that he plays.
Mike Wright
I think Devin Funches and Curtis Samuel will both be in.
Jason Moore
Agreed.
Andy Holloway
He plays that and just all Phil Collins. The rest is Phil Collins.
Jason Moore
Look, I'm cool with Phil Collins. Any Phil. Little Sue Studio.
Andy Holloway
Uh huh. Sammy Watkins. Peter Gabriel too. He plays a little Peter Gabriel.
Mike Wright
Oh yeah.
Jason Moore
You're talking about my jams right now.
Andy Holloway
I know. Sammy Watkins. Foot injury. Did not practice Wednesday, Thursday. In or out?
Jason Moore
Out.
Andy Holloway
Calvin Ridley. In or out?
Jason Moore
In.
Mike Wright
In.
Andy Holloway
Kiki Qt. In or out?
Jason Moore
In.
Mike Wright
But you do not play in for one quarter.
Jason Moore
Yeah. Do not play. Oh, Multiple hamstring injuries in a season. No. Good.
Andy Holloway
How many hamstrings does he have?
Mike Wright
Multiples.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I've got a lot.
Mike Wright
At least two.
Andy Holloway
Randall Cobb.
Mike Wright
Hey, he believes he's gonna return and I think he will. I think he's in on Sunday.
Jason Moore
Cool. It's actually use this help. Does this finally help Aaron Rodgers?
Andy Holloway
The only person that could help.
Mike Wright
He's gonna.
Jason Moore
Rogers really needs to help himself. I can't recall who it was, but someone on Twitter was breaking down film of Aaron Rodgers. He's been playing sloppy, sloppy mechanics.
Andy Holloway
It seems like it's one of those situations where, you know, the less confidence you have in your receiving core, the less confidence you have, the less confidence you have in your receiving core.
Jason Moore
He's morphing into Jay Cutler.
Mike Wright
I've heard that reference.
Jason Moore
Don't care.
Mike Wright
I've heard that reference. He's. He's got that demeanor, that don't care demeanor. And I, you know, I was like, is this one of those things where he knows if he plays well, Mike McCarthy sticks around. It's like, I got to go out there, give it a solid 30%.
Andy Holloway
He's got a little bit of the LeBron situation.
Jason Moore
What's that?
Andy Holloway
Well, just LeBron gives it all. LeBron gives it all. But he kind of runs things and LeBron like it's happening right now with head coach Luke Walton, where LeBron doesn't look to the bench.
Mike Wright
He does coach LeBron.
Andy Holloway
Head coach LeBron like Luke Walton just lets him call the game because what are you going to do?
Jason Moore
I would.
Mike Wright
I would too. That's how that guy's better than me. Well.
Andy Holloway
And that's where McCarthy, who's going to coach.
Jason Moore
Yeah. If I was McCarthy, I'd say, all right, Rogers, what are you going to do?
Mike Wright
And then in the media, Peyton Manning wasn't the offensive coordinator everywhere. He was.
Jason Moore
But then in the media, you blow it up. You're like, Aaron Rodgers has proven so much.
Mike Wright
We are.
Jason Moore
We're actually upping his responsibility. We're giving him full, full autonomy to call plays. And then when things fall apart, you just point like Aaron Rodgers fault.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
That's the only thing that's going to save McCarthy.
Andy Holloway
Danny Medola in or out?
Jason Moore
Did not practice Wednesday or Thursday. I'm going out.
Andy Holloway
Evan Ingram out. I think he's going to be out for sure.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Agreed.
Andy Holloway
Agreement. All right, without further ado, let's hop into the forecast.
Mike Wright
Fantasy forecast.
Andy Holloway
Well, the eight and three Bears travel to New York to take on the three and eight Giants. Huh?
Jason Moore
Huh.
Mike Wright
Andy is almost upset of the wake.
Jason Moore
Mrs. Daniel is really upset with you right now.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I just picking on her. Boy, this was not my Brooks. You can attest to this. This is not the one I told you to pick out for me. But the heart wants what the heart wants. And the. The Giants are four point underdogs at home against Chase Daniel and the Bears. They've been playing well. They almost beat Philly last week. I don't. They're gonna. They're gonna break through like Odell Beckham Jr. And Saquon will do enough on off it like 2120. So that's the final score.
Jason Moore
So almost beating Philly and Philly has been bad for weeks.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, but they almost.
Jason Moore
That gives you the confidence that they're Gonna beat the 8 and 3 Bears who have been outstanding.
Mike Wright
Almost beat.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I get.
Jason Moore
Okay. Almost.
Andy Holloway
Almost upset. 2120.
Mike Wright
All right.
Andy Holloway
I don't know who's on top. 2120. 44 and a half point over under Chase Daniel back at quarterback for the Chicago Bears. It. That depletes your confidence in pretty much everybody on the Bears offense. Not because Chase Daniel is incapable. Don't get me wrong, Bears fans, he's. He's fine.
Jason Moore
But he's a backup.
Andy Holloway
But he's a backup and you just don't know where his. You know, who he favors, what the game plan is Going to be the head coach is probably going to go out there. Matt Nagy, smart guy. He's going to figure out where to exploit the Giants defense and he's going to do it. And you just don't have as much confidence in Alan Robinson being that guy or Anthony Miller or Taylor Gabriel. It'll probably be one of them.
Jason Moore
They are exploitable at the running back position. 25th against fantasy running backs. I like Cohen on the season in the last six weeks and that's what I was going to bring up because I'm not talking about Jordan Howard. I'm not inflating those tires anymore. They're done. They're ragged. There's nails in them. I don't know. But Tariq Cohen is incredibly interesting. Jason Jordan Howard fanboy. How's it going over there?
Mike Wright
It's not going well, Mike. Jordan Howard.
Jason Moore
Not great, Bob.
Mike Wright
Not great, Bob. Put it this way. I have a very important dynasty matchup this week against you, Mike, and I have Jordan Howard on my team.
Jason Moore
Are you happy about that?
Mike Wright
I am not happy. He is currently not in my roster. So, Footland, these are two players.
Jason Moore
He's not in your lineup as of right now.
Mike Wright
I have Theo. I have Theo Riddick and Dion Lewis ahead in the lineup over Jordan Howard. I am debating it, but I am not happy.
Jason Moore
Wow.
Mike Wright
What is going on over here?
Jason Moore
Andy is just. Andy Brooks.
Mike Wright
Brooks as well. I'm getting the stink eye from Andy.
Jason Moore
Is this for the matchup or Jordan Howard related? Maybe Tariq Cohen related? Oh, Brooks has Cohen.
Andy Holloway
Tariq Cohen. And he's the one player I like from that offense this week. And I just want you to know I disapprove of the fact you have him and are playing him.
Mike Wright
I smirked and perked up when you said that.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I noticed. That's why you got the stink on Eli Manning, Saquon Barkley, Odell Beckham and company. Look, Barkley and Beckham, they're always in. How do you feel about Sterling shepherd against the Bears? Not good. And then Rhett Ellison, he would.
Jason Moore
He would have sneaky appeal.
Andy Holloway
If it wasn't the Bears.
Jason Moore
If it wasn't the Bears, who are very strong against fantasy tight ends.
Andy Holloway
Did you guys. I see. I was staring Brooks down for a long period of time. Did you guys talk about Trey Boo Boo at all?
Jason Moore
Nope.
Andy Holloway
Do people just try not to talk about him right now?
Jason Moore
Yes.
Andy Holloway
Just kind of like hold your nose and play him.
Jason Moore
He's like the. He's like the. Like a family member that you just. You try not to talk about. Right.
Mike Wright
But they have to come to think. Yeah, but they'll be there.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
And yeah, he's a back end, tight end. 1. I mean if you look. At last we have a one game sample with Chase Daniel playing last Thanksgiving, this past Thanksgiving, also known as last week. And you had Burton with four receptions, you know, which was more than Alan Robinson. Taylor Gabriel was really the seemingly the primary target. He had 7 for 49. Yeah. I mean, I don't know who you could possibly trust. It's not an issue. You said it. Well, it's not the Chase Daniel is bad. It's that you don't know who you could trust in such an important week to actually start.
Andy Holloway
And his floor because he's a backup is low. So there is a world where he just can't do anything on offense. I mean, it started that way last week. It did not look good for Chicago. He found it. But there's still a world where they score three points.
Mike Wright
Who's a better defense, the Detroit Lions or the New York Giants this week?
Jason Moore
The Giants.
Mike Wright
Just in general because they played the Lions last week.
Jason Moore
The Giants.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, in my action, little shout out to Matty P. The 6 and 5 Panthers take on the 4 and 7 Buccaneers. We're going to get into the fantasy forecast. Before we do that, I want to thank Pristine Auction for sponsoring today's podcast, one of our longest term partners. One of the absolute best websites on the Internet because you can get authentic sports memorabilia at an incredible price from every team imaginable, all the players you love. Michael Thomas signed Saints jersey yesterday, $82. Stefan Diggs signed football, 73 bucks yesterday. Kenan Allen, $77 Charger jersey, JSA authentic. Todd Gurley signed Rams jersey yesterday, $72. The list goes on. Because there are hundreds of daily auctions. Easy to sign up, free to browse, bid on things you want, keep your eyes on it from week to week. Pristineauction.com P R I S T I N E auction.com yeah.
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Andy Holloway
All right. The six and five Panthers travel to Tampa to take on the four and seven Buccaneers. Buccaneers are three and a half point home underdogs. Games over. Under is 54.5. From what I understand. That rounds up. That is a look. It's a great line. It's a great game. You're starting Cam Newton, you're starting James.
Jason Moore
No, you are booty scooting for sure.
Andy Holloway
You are booty scooting. You are starting. Christian McCaffrey, you're starting.
Mike Wright
D.J. moore is my start of the week. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
D.J. moore himself. Greg Olsen.
Jason Moore
Oh, no.
Andy Holloway
Greg Olsen.
Jason Moore
Oh, no. We did not go to the Wicca Wick.
Andy Holloway
He is a budget wedding dj. Just for the.
Mike Wright
Just for the record, I do my own beatboxing.
Jason Moore
No, you're. You are the wedding.
Andy Holloway
Wow. Why that. You djing and you heaving. Sounds very similar.
Mike Wright
All I know is when I dj, my glasses fog. This is a fact.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Jason Moore
Cause you bring the heat.
Andy Holloway
He's a red giant. Goodness gracious. You ever been at a wedding where the DJ tries to be a little too involved?
Jason Moore
Oh, yeah.
Andy Holloway
You know what I mean. Like a good DJ fades into the background. A bad DJ wants to get everybody going. It's his show, it's his show.
Mike Wright
His family comes to these weddings. You know, it's like, oh, watch him dj. To watch him dj.
Andy Holloway
I think you would do that, Jason.
Mike Wright
Oh, you darn right I would. Come see DJ Moore at the anything.
Andy Holloway
He's fully fogged over. Go to the Jason camp.
Mike Wright
Just full fog.
Andy Holloway
How do you build heat over time after working out? It's been an hour and a half.
Mike Wright
I think I moved up to a Class 4.
Andy Holloway
Oh, my goodness, this man.
Mike Wright
I can see better without glasses.
Andy Holloway
I mean, it's cold in this room. Yes, it is 62 degrees in here and you're on fire. You're covered in sweat, man.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
You're an amazing.
Andy Holloway
Did you have a steak?
Mike Wright
I worked hard. I worked hard at the gym trying to get it fit your body.
Jason Moore
But wasn't that like two hours ago?
Mike Wright
It was a minute ago. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
All right.
Mike Wright
All right.
Andy Holloway
Mike Evans. He's in.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
What do you think of Peyton Barber in this matchup against Carolina? This is, I mean, a 55 point over under the Panthers defense. The only shining spot has been against the running back position. Peyton Barber's been tough to trust, but he's giving you surprising games. How do you feel about Peyton Barber? He was 11 for 31 against the same Carolina defense in week nine.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I don't love Barber here. I realize it's a huge over under and they're at home. Usually those two things stack up. Well, the matchup isn't that great. I think this turns into more of a shootout now. You can start him. He's got back to back 18 carry weeks. They're clearly going to give him the ball, but I'm not excited. I don't. I don't think his. His upside is, you know, I don't think he's got the potential to be a top 15 back.
Jason Moore
If you had Peyton Barber on your dynasty team, would you be playing him over Jordan Howard?
Mike Wright
Yes, I would. I would 100% be playing Peyton Barber over Jordan.
Jason Moore
Volume.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it's just, it's. It's. It's a lot of things.
Andy Holloway
At some point, Brooks, maybe, you know, in the off season, we need to do a dynasty segment of players gone wrong because the perception of certain players in dynasty at the beginning of this year and what you thought you had for the next 10 years and what you actually have.
Mike Wright
Yeah, you.
Andy Holloway
But it's like bait and switch. That's what we'll call the segment. Bait and switch.
Jason Moore
You know who Jordan Howard is? Bitcoin.
Mike Wright
Oh, so he's gonna come back.
Andy Holloway
I thought you were gonna say Eddie Lacy.
Jason Moore
No, no. Jordan Howard.
Andy Holloway
Bitcoin.
Jason Moore
The bubble bursts.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, it's a problem.
Jason Moore
You had something.
Andy Holloway
These two teams played each other in Week 9. Carolina won 42, 28. But Ryan Fitzpatrick threw four touchdowns against this defense. Winston, you got to start in this week.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
If desean Jackson is out, which we do not know. I mean, he's been practicing, but not catching football. Yeah, he's not catching the ball while he practices. He's got a brace on his hand, much like the Jimmy Graham brace. If he was out of the way, it'd be a lot easier to project Humphreys and Godwin but you can probably look at them if you need a dart throw. Regardless, I agree.
Mike Wright
I think Humphries and Godwin, even if desean Jackson is out there, this. I'm willing to start them. I mean, the Panthers have not been great against wide receivers. They're 23rd on the year, 23rd in the last six weeks. And there's going to be a lot of, a lot of yards thrown around here. And you know, and I love Cameron Brait as well because, you know, I brought this up. The Panthers are the worst in the league or among the worst in the league against tight end position. So I'm. And that's that. Obviously all of those things factor into Jameis. Jameis right now is a top five quarterback this week.
Andy Holloway
Something else to mention. I mean, we brought him up early in the week. Maybe Tuesday. Curtis Samuel, he plays 92% out of the snap, out of the slot. And Tampa gives up the most points to slot wide receivers. So keep him in mind if Funches is out.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I was just going to say.
Andy Holloway
Curtis Samuel if he's healthy. I mean, he's very sneaky, but also about.
Mike Wright
It's all about Funches. I mean, Curtis Samuel, I was considering making him my start of the week over DJ Moore, just as a deeper option. But when you really look at his game log, his snap counts, you know, when Funches has gone out. Put it this way, two weeks ago, his snap count was 27%, 33%, 27%. This last week was 91%. If he's on the field that much, he's great.
Andy Holloway
You can also play Cameron Bray.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
Start of the week, the nine and two Chiefs take on the two and nine Raiders in Oakland. The game is a 14 and a half point. The Raiders are 14 and a half point home underdogs. The game line is 55.5. You round down, that's 55 point over here. Hey, look, the numbers are the numbers, Mike.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Numbers don't lie.
Andy Holloway
The rest is up to him. Patrick Mahomes & Co. Travel to Oakland. Look, this is one of those games that you look at and you say you think you know how the math translates. Are you going to be surprised in any way, shape or form or does Patrick Mahomes go on the road with his. With his gang and. And rob them clean?
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
The Chiefs posse is. It's fantastic. You want everything about this matchup.
Andy Holloway
Who's a peripheral wideout to start if Sammy's out?
Jason Moore
That's where I wanted to talk about Chris.
Andy Holloway
Let's do it.
Jason Moore
Chris Conley had. I don't know for sure, but I believe that was the best game of his career. Yeah, eight targets turned into seven for 74, two touchdowns. Jason's shaking his head like you're not.
Mike Wright
I'm off limits.
Jason Moore
No way.
Mike Wright
I'm not in the slightest bit interested. Chris Conley is a. Let me ask you this. Is there a chance like last week or the last time that the Chiefs played in this game against the Raiders that they will also score more than 100 points in the game?
Jason Moore
Yes, because the Raiders will not keep up.
Mike Wright
Right. And that's why Chris Conley, I mean, is his next best game on the season. He had six targets for four receptions for 13 yards. As far as his biggest volume, I'm not chasing the 100 point Los Angeles Rams game. Even if Sammy's out Oakland, they just don't need him. Tyreek Hill will torch him, Cream Hunt will torch him, Travis Kelsey will torch him, and Chris Conley won't be needed.
Andy Holloway
The Oakland Raiders are allowing the most points at home in the entire league. 34 points a game at home. This is going to be. This is going to be very, very sad for Oakland fans.
Jason Moore
Cruden's going to love it.
Andy Holloway
Last two games for Cream Hunt against Oakland.
Jason Moore
I've got a plan.
Andy Holloway
I'm sorry. Last two games against Oakland in general. On the ground, Gus Bus, 118 rushing yards. David Johnson, 154 rushing yards. Cream Hunt, you start him up. Tyreek Hill, he's dominating right now, so we don't really have to linger on. The Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes. By the way, 35% of Chiefs drives ending in a Mahomes touchdown right now. Yeah, they said it on the show last night. On the Monday Thursday night game, they mentioned out loud. They said Mahomes 37 touchdowns. And then I just thought about that. He has 37.
Mike Wright
Wait, is that true? Yes, he has 37. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
See, when you hear it, that's.
Mike Wright
That's insane. We're in week 13.
Jason Moore
I just heard JJ, good friend of the show, JJ Zacharison was talking about it, that if he keeps going, he will finish at the second highest touchdown rate for a quarterback with over 200 attempts, behind only Peyton Manning.
Andy Holloway
As far as percentage of percent, percentage.
Jason Moore
Of attempts that turn into a touchdown. So this is, this is territory that just doesn't happen.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, and even when, look, during the illustrious career of Peyton Manning, he had multiple years where he was up in the 50 touchdown range on the course of a season, but it didn't repeat. Each and every Year. So you can't count on the touchdown percentage to repeat. But he is a different kind of player doing different kinds of things with different kind of weapon.
Mike Wright
Now here's the questions that I have on the other side of the ball. The Raiders at home are going to have to try to keep up. And there are, I mean, you know, Andy, you've talked about your dynasty, wide receiver issues. Someone has to do something, right? Whether it's Marcel Eatman or Jordy Nelson or Seth Roberts. You know, Jordy had good games before he went down with an injury.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I don't think he's back. Yeah, he's back.
Mike Wright
Isn't he practicing in full, Wink, wink.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I don't care if he's even practicing in full. I just don't think that he's fully back.
Andy Holloway
You're right, though. I mean, Jared Cook is the guy that you can at least look at and say, all right, well, he's going to catch three to five passes at least.
Mike Wright
Jalen Richard as well.
Andy Holloway
And look, I. Jalen Richard stunk last week, though. Yes, stunk.
Mike Wright
Jalen Rashard stunk last week, Tonk. But that was against Baltimore and I would, I would expect that the week prior. 11 for 61 against Arizona.
Jason Moore
I'm not off of Rashad just because of the one game.
Andy Holloway
I am now.
Mike Wright
I would rather play Doug Martin. I mean, there's the narrative where it's like, well, Jalen Rashard's pass catching back and Doug Martin, you know, they're going to be down. But Doug Martin is clearly the primary back and he's still been involved in the passing game as well. So I, Doug Martin, I think is an okay start.
Andy Holloway
I just lost confidence in Richard. I mean, the target should have been there. The opportunities should have been there. He didn't even get any opportunities to fail against Baltimore. That's my problem. The jets three and eight take on the five and six Titans. The Titans are eight point home favorites. It's forty and a half point over under. Talked about Sam Darnold, whether he'll be active or not. But this is a game where you really, really have to pick your spots on who to start on either side of the ball. I want to start with Tennessee. Is Dion Lewis a flex play and is Corey Davis an established wide receiver too?
Jason Moore
Right now I think that Lewis is a strong flex play. The jets are 28th against fantasy running backs in the past six weeks. Things have, they've been going downhill for the jets recently and maybe that's because of Sam Darnold's absence. Maybe it's just because the team's not strong enough yet. I think that Lewis is in play with the volume that he should receive with. I mean, jets, eight point favorites at home against a bad defense.
Andy Holloway
The Titans are eight point favorites.
Jason Moore
Yes. Did I say Jack? I apologize. The Titans, eight point favorites at home. That's the recipe that you want with your running back.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Large home favorite. Now, is there a chance that it becomes more of a Derek Henry game because of that?
Jason Moore
I don't think so.
Andy Holloway
Derek Henry is always. He's always got a chance at scoring a touchdown and that's it.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I agree.
Andy Holloway
That fumble last week by Derek Henry destroyed people's souls, by the way.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
Yes, it did.
Andy Holloway
Not because they were starting Derek Henry, but because the Houston defense ended up picking up two points and winning the matchup. Would you rather start Jonah Smith, who has a touchdown in three of his last four games, or would you rather start Chris Herndon, who's averaged 45 yards per game over the last six weeks? The two tight ends in this matchup, if you're facing that decision, Eileen Jonan.
Jason Moore
Eileen Herndon.
Mike Wright
Eileen Herndon and Eileen Someone else. I mean, this isn't a great matchup.
Jason Moore
It's not an ant. There is no c. Did you start Lacoste?
Mike Wright
Oh, yes.
Andy Holloway
From Denver over both these guys.
Mike Wright
That is a perfect example. And I believe I would start Lacoste over both of these guys this game. I don't expect there to be a lot of points, you know, the Titans. The Titans, technically on the season, what is happening? I don't know. The Titans are the most difficult matchup on the season against, you know, fantasy points given up against Titans, a French caricature over there. And, you know, the jets are top five. So this is. This just isn't a good Titan.
Andy Holloway
All right, can you start Isaiah Crowell or Elijah McGuire Crowell? Can you?
Jason Moore
Yes. Like, you can put them in Isaiah.
Andy Holloway
Listen to this. Since. Since the 219 yard game, he's at 192 total yards in the next six games combined.
Mike Wright
Yeah, that's not good.
Jason Moore
No, he is.
Mike Wright
He still had an okay, okay game last week.
Jason Moore
He's a. He will get you four to five points.
Andy Holloway
I do believe in Corey Davis now.
Mike Wright
Really?
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Interesting.
Andy Holloway
And I'm choosing to say stay in the flames with him. And I'm. I'm going to bestow some flames on Corey Davis because one of the games where he stunk. Mariota didn't finish it. It was Gabbard in the last three games. He finished 6 for 56, 7 for 125 and a touchdown. 4 for 96 and a touchdown. He is a Mariota favorite. So I'm choosing at home to believe in Corey Davis.
Jason Moore
I like it. I like it.
Andy Holloway
You know, I hope you're wrong. Why is that?
Mike Wright
Don't you have Corey Davis, Mike?
Jason Moore
No.
Mike Wright
Oh, then go Corey Davis.
Andy Holloway
Wow, that is unbiased.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it is. Well, it's not analysis, but do you believe he will look?
Jason Moore
You think he's a strong play?
Mike Wright
I don't think he's a strong play. No. I think he has huge upside and he. I'm not saying to bench Corey Davis because he certainly can go, but a strong play to me is safe.
Andy Holloway
Let's. Let's put it in test.
Mike Wright
He is just so Corey Davis.
Andy Holloway
Tyler Boyd with Driscoll.
Mike Wright
Is AJ Green in or out? If AJ Green is out, I would go Boyd.
Andy Holloway
Doug Baldwin or Corey Davis?
Mike Wright
Corey Davis.
Andy Holloway
Julian Edelman or Corey Julian Edelman. Okay. Josh Gordon.
Mike Wright
Josh Gordon. Yeah. I would go Josh Gordon.
Andy Holloway
It's his time. Let's talk about him. Six and four and one. The Vikings take on the eight and three Patriots. Patriots are five point favorites at home. 49 and a half point over under. I'm doubling down.
Mike Wright
Andy's almost upset of the week.
Andy Holloway
If I make every matchup my almost upset, I will be 100% wrong. Wrong. Right. Wrong.
Jason Moore
Well, if you make them all, you'll get at least one right.
Andy Holloway
Here's the thing. This was my original almost upset. I think that five point line is too much, Mike.
Jason Moore
That's why it's fun. Interesting.
Andy Holloway
When I read it, you grimaced and that's why he's there. Almost upset. Look, the Vikings need this win. The Patriots have not been on cruise control of late. I think this game is going to be really, really close. I'm not projecting the Vikings to come into Foxborough and blow them out or anything of that nature. But their defense on the year, it's been, at least from a fantasy perspective, it's been getting pretty good. I mean they're. They're giving up the second fewest points to fantasy whiteouts, the fifth fewest to running backs, fifth fewest to fantasy quarterbacks. That's not necessarily the matchup you want now. Brady and company. They're at home. Rob Gronkowski update. You need to give one every week. But he was removed from the injury report earlier in the week. And then he felt so sad and so disconnected from his normal routine that they added him back on Thursday with an ankle and Back injury. Probably because he got upset. He didn't see his name. He's just like, come on, man.
Mike Wright
It's very selfish.
Jason Moore
See my name in lights. His.
Andy Holloway
He's doing Tide Pod ads now.
Mike Wright
You see this I did with the shaved head.
Andy Holloway
He's talked a lot about going into Hollywood, you know, being the next Rock. He's gonna need to improve the old act, the old acting chops big time.
Mike Wright
He is not going to succeed there.
Jason Moore
Wait, he said he's gonna.
Andy Holloway
Oh, you heard that?
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
Oh, no. This was all the talk in his hypothetical retirement was he wants to go to Hollywood. He's been in at least one very.
Mike Wright
Wasn't he going to go to wrestling? He was offered a big contract to retire from.
Jason Moore
Everybody wants.
Andy Holloway
Everybody wants. Well, you got to go wrestling first, then Hollywood.
Mike Wright
Right?
Jason Moore
You're going to be the Rock.
Andy Holloway
The Rock. But yeah, real not going to win any Emmys for the Tide pods commercial. Let's put it that way. All right, what are the big storylines from this game? Let me ask and start here. What can owners expect from Dalvin Cook? Guess how many rushing touchdowns he has on the season.
Mike Wright
None.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I would be right. Zero.
Mike Wright
I drafted.
Andy Holloway
Oh.
Mike Wright
Actually trade it for him. But yes, he's been a huge disappointment. Very difficult to trust. The Patriots have only allowed four rushing touchdowns all year. The Patriots try to shut down your primary option, your primary weapon. They do a good job of taking your best player and taking them out. Now, are they going to scheme Dalvin Cookout or are they going to try to scheme Adam Thielen out? You know, I. I don't know, but I'm not super confident in Dalvin cook.
Jason Moore
Still an RB2 for you.
Mike Wright
Yes. Dalvin Cook is 20. My 21. My 21st ranked running back. So he's a back end. RB2.
Andy Holloway
You meant to say 21.
Mike Wright
Yes, I did. He's my 21th ranked running back.
Andy Holloway
You're not fogging up anymore.
Mike Wright
I think I've cooled down.
Andy Holloway
You've cooled down? Just a little bit.
Mike Wright
I've cooled down.
Andy Holloway
So you need to start running on leds. I think you're incandescent at the moment.
Mike Wright
Yeah, that is the problem.
Andy Holloway
Look, Adam Thielen, he's in. Stefan Diggs, you got to monitor the injury situation. And if he's out, maybe my humble steps, that's a little less exciting. But if he's out, is there a beneficiary in the pass catching game that you can count on?
Mike Wright
Yes.
Jason Moore
Is it Kyle.
Andy Holloway
Is it Dalvin Cook?
Mike Wright
No, I actually think Kyle Rudolph Has a good week. He was almost my start of the week. And I think if you're, if you're in a bad situation, you know, you go, Trey Burton, Trey Burton, Chris Hearn and all these, you know, bottom end guys. I think Kyle Rudolph is a better option. The Patriots have been torched against the tight end. They shut down your number one options. Kyle Rudolph last week, all of a sudden was really involved. Seven receptions, 63 yards. You know, I'm not saying that he's this monster must start guy, but I think the, you know, a lot of trends are pointing to where he's going to be necessary in this game. One of the things. Is it necessary? Kyle Rolf? No, but I like the way it tastes.
Jason Moore
You forgot that it was sterile.
Mike Wright
Yes. Thank you. Yeah. One of the things that I've been trying to monitor more is the big money spent on, on game lines and Vegas and sportsbooks and things like that. This is one of the three games that has had the over from the opening line hammered. So big money players think this game will put up a lot of points, you know, and so that's, that's another factor of saying, okay, Kyle Rudolph, maybe, maybe he's a better play this week.
Andy Holloway
Let's talk briefly, by the way, I believe that the Patriots Vikings game, there is projected rain in that game.
Jason Moore
Right now we have it as the technical term of drizzle. Ah, full shizzle.
Andy Holloway
Drizzle. The two 9, 49ers take on the 6 and 5 Seahawks moving on. Jason, hold on, hold on.
Jason Moore
You got to talk through the running backs of the Patriots.
Andy Holloway
Well, I was going to do that during the 49ers Seahawks matchup.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Andy Holloway
No, not really, Mike.
Jason Moore
Bold strategy.
Andy Holloway
Really. Thanks for the reminder. James White. Sony Michelle. Rex Burkhead. Look, you're playing Sony Michelle. Undoubtedly.
Jason Moore
Do you have James White confidence?
Andy Holloway
Do I have Jason? I've got him as a fringe RB2, RB3 this week. So yes, you can flex James White.
Jason Moore
All right, Jay, how are you feeling about those?
Mike Wright
Yeah, no, I'm the same. James white is my 20 forced running back. So he is a back and I've got him just behind Tariq Cohen and Dion Lewis, just ahead of LaShawn McCoy and Tevin Coleman right now. Sony Michelle, to me is he's not an absolute have to start in every situation. He is higher. I would start him ahead of James White and ahead of those guys I just mentioned, but he's not, you know, he's. He's my running back. 19.
Andy Holloway
I start him over. Dallin Cook.
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
So Mike, do I have permission to move on? Sure.
Jason Moore
I was just saying the people are going to ask, what is the impact of Rex Burke?
Andy Holloway
All right, let me ask you this. Make it quick. Josh Gordon and Julian Edelman, if you had to pick one, you would start Gordon.
Jason Moore
I think Gordon with Xavier Rhodes dealing with his hamstring injury.
Andy Holloway
All right. The 2 and 9, 49ers take on the 6 and 5 Seahawks. This is a 10 point line. The Seahawks, 10 point favorites at home, 46 point over under. Look, I've been mulling this game over.
Mike Wright
I see what you did.
Andy Holloway
It's not going to be pretty for San Francisco. The only two starting pieces for San Francisco's offense that I would even glance at, it's Matt Breida who's been great. He is going to play Alfred Morris. Healthy scratch last week. Breida's the guy.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
And then George Kittle. Because you start George Kittle.
Mike Wright
So we don't need to talk about Goodwin, Pettis, Garson Mullins.
Jason Moore
No, you don't want to talk about Pettis. With the chance that both Goodwin and Garcon could be inactive.
Andy Holloway
Not in a road matchup up in Seattle. Ten point situation. Mullins. No.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean that's where Jason, if.
Andy Holloway
You want to talk about him, you're one third of this show.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Could it happen? Could he have a deep bump? I love Pettis like he, you know, I was high on him before the season and I like his long term outlooks. He could have a good game. He's talented player, but he's like Traquan.
Andy Holloway
Smith without Drew Brees right now.
Mike Wright
Right now. In a bad manner.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. From a predictability standpoint. Russell Wilson, Chris Carson.
Mike Wright
Oh, Chris.
Andy Holloway
Doug. Yeah. I'm a big Chris Carson fan this week.
Mike Wright
How is Chris Carson not one of our starts of the week?
Andy Holloway
That's true.
Mike Wright
I mean 10 point home favorites against.
Andy Holloway
The Niners because you're too busy picking Philip Lindsay.
Mike Wright
Oh, he's just going to dominate.
Andy Holloway
You want to double down? You want doubles?
Mike Wright
Yeah, I want doubles. Chris Carson is down.
Andy Holloway
Carson plus Lindsey.
Mike Wright
Carson plus Lindsey. Start of starts of the week.
Andy Holloway
There you go. Chris Carson has been an RB2 or better in five of his last six full games. The 10 point line gives you confidence. Chris Carson at home in this game. I love him. He is a RB1 ish.
Mike Wright
Whoa.
Andy Holloway
Right on the fringe. So I agree with you. Doug Baldwin keeps reiterating how good he feels.
Mike Wright
Yeah, because he's not getting tackled. Because he's not getting the ball.
Jason Moore
I think he's he's talking to Russell Wilson when he's saying those things.
Andy Holloway
I feel great. Russ.
Jason Moore
Russ, I tried to tell you I'm healthy.
Andy Holloway
Now it's. Here's the math equation that has not added up for Doug Baldwin. And you guys talked about Russell Wilson being a good second half guy. Now. He is. He's had some really good games lately. But the. But the difference is, is the second half has not involved Doug Baldwin in the capacity that you had seen in years past because the passing volume, the total attempts per game is down at the basement along with Deshaun Watson. And the thing is, he has David Moore. He has another weapon. He has Tyler Lockett. So I think it's just a matter of as healthy as he says he is, it's just not a good situation for him right now. Now he has five plus catches in three straight games. That's fine. You're okay with it. Is he a wide receiver too for you this week? Everybody wants to know if Baldwin has the ability to go.
Jason Moore
Of course.
Andy Holloway
He hears all this hot locket talk and he wants to be hot himself.
Jason Moore
I will start Doug Baldwin over Dante Pettis.
Andy Holloway
All right, sir.
Mike Wright
I would as well. Bald.
Andy Holloway
That was somehow a very insulting statement to Doug Baldwin.
Mike Wright
Doug Baldwin is a startable option. He is behind Tyler Lockett pretty significantly in my rankings. And He's a wide receiver 3, which puts him in starting consideration. You know, if you're considering, okay, Doug Baldwin or Alan Robinson, I probably lean Doug Baldwin based on the matchup, the fact that the quarterback is the starting quarterback. But that's around the tier that I see Doug Baldwin in.
Andy Holloway
I'm cool with that. The 8 and 3 Chargers take on the 73 and 1 Steelers, a 501 1/2 point over under. This game lines up to be a very interesting fantasy matchup.
Mike Wright
I am so unbelievably fascinated to see what Philip Rivers can or cannot do in this game. This is like coming into this week. Nothing has my curiosity more because the Steelers have just been so locked down against wide receivers and quarterbacks and do.
Andy Holloway
You sit him, do you sit him on the road in this game? He's right on the fringe for us as a consensus QB 13.
Mike Wright
I look my, my stats, my metrics, my algorithms. They hate Philip Rivers this week. I mean they just. There's, there's. You're not going to start him?
Andy Holloway
Not just like it's hatred?
Mike Wright
Yeah. I mean he's down outside, you know, the top 15 quarterbacks. So you're not going to start him, but he's Philip Rivers. And he's been so.
Jason Moore
He's been amazing.
Andy Holloway
He had one incompletion last week.
Mike Wright
I mean, he's been unbelievable. So I'm. This is where I'm struggling with where to put Philip Rivers in my rankings. Because when I see him down, you know, outside the top 15, I go, that's wrong. So it's incorrect. But with Melvin Gordon out, does that just hurt the whole offense?
Andy Holloway
It does hurt the whole office.
Mike Wright
Or does that make Philip have to, you know, throw more?
Andy Holloway
Look, one of his touchdowns last week was a pass to Melvin Gordon, and it's a something got to give game. Like you're saying the Steelers haven't allowed a QB1 performance since week four. That's why the algorithm doesn't like him. It's been a while since week four. He's got multiple touchdowns in every game this year. If he has multiple touchdowns, he's going to outperform that algorithm. So that's the problem. Now I, Pittsburgh coming off a loss, Pittsburgh being at home, Pittsburgh doing what they've done against the quarterback, I, I think that this is going to be a game that they try to hand the ball to James Conner. They try to keep Philip Rivers off the field. And without Melvin Gordon, I lean the direction of him being outside the top 12. I really do.
Jason Moore
I agree. Also, the. The fact that Tyrell Williams has been banged up. He played last week, wink, wink. I mean, he was out there doing nothing. He's still limited. And if, like, if you recall when Melvin Gordon was a surprise miss in the game in London, boom. Tyrell Williams was a huge lift for that, that offense. Not that Mike Williams can't fill in for Tyrell, but when you're just down pieces like that, it's going to be a lot harder for Rivers. So I'm with you that he should be outside the top 12.
Mike Wright
So I haven't.
Andy Holloway
Does that hurt Keenan then too?
Mike Wright
Yes.
Andy Holloway
I mean that perception. Do you downgrade your top end anticipation for Keenan Allen? I mean, I've got him down at right on the fringe as well.
Mike Wright
Yeah, it does. I worry that he's going to have a down game. Hey Brooks and baby Josh, can one of you effort T.J. watts Health was. Was he practicing? I know he went out with an injury and so that's a, that's been a huge curiosity for me because part of the reason that the Steelers have been shutting down quarterbacks is their pass rush has been great. If TJ Watt is unable to go, then I'm curious. I googled it and I found. Oh, he returned to practice Wednesday and then I looked deeper and it was before the third preseason game. So that was bad.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I believe he came back in the game.
Mike Wright
He did.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, he did come back in the game. So I think he's expected to be out there. Other question marks from this game, do you start red zone Monster Mike Williams. I say no on the road in this one. It's all dependent on your options. But James Conner, listen to this. Less than 17 touches in three consecutive games. Mike, you're the highest on him in RB5. You like James Conner?
Jason Moore
Yeah, I like the fact that the game is at home and the Page or the Patriots. The Chargers can be beat by running backs. So I think that it's a James Conner game.
Andy Holloway
Are you confident in Big Ben? 300 plus passing yards in four of the last five games.
Jason Moore
Confident as in terms of. He's a. He's a lower end quarterback. One. But this is. I don't see huge things for him this week.
Andy Holloway
You don't?
Jason Moore
No.
Andy Holloway
Okay. I, I'm intrigued. I think Big Ben's going to have a pretty Darn Good week. Juju Moving to the outside 17 targets last week. Antonio Brown. You just can't contain those guys.
Mike Wright
Yeah. You really can't. I mean this is.
Andy Holloway
What do you have him, Mike? Because I have. I've big been in number six this week. Eight. Eight.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Okay.
Mike Wright
And I've got him right in the middle. 7. So 6, 7, 8.
Jason Moore
But it's just this, it's not that he's a bad play.
Andy Holloway
Yes. Ceiling at a guy at eight.
Jason Moore
I'm not. I don't have a top three outcome.
Andy Holloway
All right. You starting Vance McDonald or Jesse James, it's.
Jason Moore
I want to do the Vance dance every single week. You know me. But leaving the game last week with the hip injury, it's.
Mike Wright
We'll see. Here's a good example of I would start Kyle Rudolph over Vance or Jesse James.
Jason Moore
Sure. I don't. That doesn't bother me.
Andy Holloway
Redskins 6 and 5 take on the 5 and 6 Eagles on Monday Night Football. Eagles are 6 1/2 point home favorites in this game, a 45 point over under. They saved their season with the comeback last week over the Giants. It's. It's interesting because if the Eagles win this, right, if it goes according to plan, Vegas wise, they'll both be 6 and 6. Dallas will be what, 7 to 5. So that division tightening up, what are the big storylines for you? I mean, can you start Carson Wentz after the last two weeks of poop at home where Washington has allowed. Look, Washington's allowed a QB one in six of the last nine games. But, man, Jason, you got to be. Got to be hurting.
Jason Moore
We were having this discussion. I'll just jump in. Yeah, that. One of our friends was asking us, do I play. I can't remember the other quarterback or Carson Wentz. And Jason is visceral with his. Now you play with the other quarterback. And I have. I have not been personally wronged by Carson Wentz. I don't have him anywhere. And so my answer is I would go back. I would go back to Carson Wentz because I think that the process and logic says that Carson Wentz will. He'll return to form. The matchup is not awful. Like you said, Washington allowing a quarterback one in six of nine games I would play. I mean, he's lower. He's lower in the rankings right now, but I still think I would play him.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
So Jason, rebuttal.
Mike Wright
Rebuttal is Carson Wentz is. Look, he's still a good quarterback. You know, the opportunity for his game to go differently last week was there. They decided to rush the touchdown in when they were nearby. I mean, he was. He was. He didn't play poorly. But there's two weeks in a row where you have a major letdown. The matchup is middle of the pack. This is one of those games where, again, betters were betting the over. This surprised me because you think of these two teams as good defensive teams and division.
Jason Moore
No.
Mike Wright
But the Eagles defense has been trash and wrecked by injury.
Andy Holloway
Red eggs on the road.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Washington on the road. I think this game could have some sneaky production to it. And so, yeah, I mean, Carson Wentz.
Jason Moore
Is Carson Wentz or Philip Rivers.
Mike Wright
I have Philip Rivers a spot ahead of Carson Wentz right now in my lineup. And so based on what I was just talking about on Carson Wentz, that means I would prefer to not play. Or on Philip Rivers, I would prefer to not play Carson Wentz.
Andy Holloway
More big questions from the game. Alshon Jeffrey. Since Golden Tate joined the roster, Jeffrey has only 16 targets in the last three games. Where's Jeffrey for you this week?
Jason Moore
Alshon? Jeffrey let me pull it up.
Andy Holloway
Got him at 24 myself.
Jason Moore
That's right. Where I have him as well is it's also a coincidence that the last three games the Eagles have been slowing things like it slowed down for the team. It's not running on all gears.
Andy Holloway
I don't know.
Mike Wright
They need to get rid of Golden Tate.
Jason Moore
Yeah, maybe. Or maybe they need to target Their number one wide receiver a little bit more.
Andy Holloway
Would you. Would you rather flex Josh Adams or Alshon Jeffrey? Josh Adams. His snaps growing the last four weeks. 29%. 31. 55.
Mike Wright
Yeah, nice.
Andy Holloway
And 62%.
Mike Wright
I would definitely lean Josh Adams. The fact that his workload has increased.
Andy Holloway
22 carries last week.
Mike Wright
22 carries last week. They're at home. I would go with the volume that is known over Alshon.
Andy Holloway
Mike, your start of the week was Rule 86 himself. Jordan Reed.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Third most passing routes last week.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
At the tight end position. 8.6 targets per game since Week 8. Colt McCoy has resurrected him for fantasy purposes.
Andy Holloway
He was just starting to get going with Alex Smith too. You got. I mean, I just mean it speaks more to. Yes, Cole McCoy resurrected him, but I think he was also getting a little healthier.
Jason Moore
Yeah, it takes times for the. For the floppy toes to start solidifying regrow bones again.
Mike Wright
I also. I'm going to throw a name out there that sounds gross, but I think Josh Dachshund could have a Pretty good week. 6 for 66 last week with Colt McCoy. The Philadelphia Eagles secondary is gone. You know, I would not be surprised if Josh Dockson got it together, had a nice fantasy out this week.
Jason Moore
Right now, Jason, I just want to confirm this for the. For the foot clean. You believe that Josh Dachshund is a good player. Are you trying to goat me into playing him against you in our dynasty match?
Mike Wright
Who are your other options?
Jason Moore
I'm not going to tell you. Then I thought this might be a con.
Mike Wright
No, this is not a con. I do think Josh Dachshund could be a good play this week.
Andy Holloway
You could argue he had his best game as a pro last week even though he didn't have the touchdown just because of his involvement. Yes, it was different and it was.
Mike Wright
With a new quarterback. If that quarterback is actually using him as his number one wide receiver target against a team who is near dead last against the wide receiver. Could work out.
Andy Holloway
We got to jump into daily dose. I need a Matt Bryant update from Jason Moore.
Mike Wright
Oh, yeah, Matt Bryant is doing great. From. From what I can tell, he. He's been resting.
Andy Holloway
Now he's your boom boom super locked and loaded.
Mike Wright
Totally ironclad man.
Andy Holloway
Now other news, other news. He hasn't practiced in two days. He's very, very, very questionable for the game.
Mike Wright
Yeah, like I said, he's resting up. He's got a big game. A lot of boom boom kicks. Here's what I would do if I was a Matt Brian owner, okay? I'd probably grab someone else. I would probably. I would probably. I mean, he's going to be great. He's going to do excellent. Definitely grab another kicker just to be, you know, be on the safe side.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, that makes sense.
Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
All right. It's another episode edition of the Daily Dose. Episode edition. That's what.
Jason Moore
Nice.
Andy Holloway
That's what we call him now, Jason. He's. He's defogged.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
What do they call it in the car?
Mike Wright
I actually did default defrost.
Andy Holloway
Defrost.
Jason Moore
There you go.
Andy Holloway
He's defrosted.
Mike Wright
I've defrosted.
Jason Moore
Things are frosted and fogged. It's two very different elements of weather.
Andy Holloway
You have fog on the inside because of the cold on the outside.
Mike Wright
It took an hour and yes, that does happen. It took an hour and 45 minutes from the end of my workout because.
Jason Moore
Of your heat mixing with the cold.
Mike Wright
Of the outside until I was able to cool down. So 1 hour and 45 minutes post workout.
Jason Moore
Is that a new record?
Mike Wright
I'm a human. No, that's pretty normal. That's just par for the course.
Jason Moore
So for this daily dose, we are limiting the matchups. We're not going with all of them. We're going with the afternoon and the possible primetime games. And. Oh, Andy fell right into the trap that I was hoping you would fall into.
Andy Holloway
I took that. Mahomes. What a trap it is.
Mike Wright
What an idiot.
Andy Holloway
When you fall into that trap. 37 down at the bottom, there's like, you know, a three course meal in a bed. Like you fall in that trap, it's like paradise.
Mike Wright
Okay, so to me, it would.
Jason Moore
I was just with the trap, there are. There's great quarterbacks available. Patrick Mahomes is the clear number one option. But.
Mike Wright
So who did you go with then? Mike. After he took Mahomes, I took Kareem Hunt. Okay, so here's what's fun. After he took my homes, you fell into my trap and Mike took Kareem Hunt. I thought, I'm going to take Tyreek Hill. And you know what? Let's make this crazy interesting. I took Travis Kelsey.
Jason Moore
You score, I score.
Mike Wright
So Andy's not going to win as we have all of his receiving options.
Andy Holloway
No, you're just. All your receiving options are nullified. I took James Conner and Matt Burrita after. Well, it looks like Hitman took Thielen.
Jason Moore
I did.
Andy Holloway
And then I took Breeda and Connor back to back in these primetime games.
Jason Moore
Yeah, Thielen, look, everything points to Thielen. Having a monster game, the New England Patriots, it's tough. It's tough sledding for them against slot wide receivers these days. And the only hesitance with him is the fact that we talked about it. Bill. Uncle Bill is pretty good at figuring out how to shut your number one option down. I just don't know if you can shut down Adam Thielen.
Andy Holloway
All right, Jason, you.
Mike Wright
I was done with my wide receiver slash tight end, so now I've got to decide between running backs or quarterback. And I have my start of the week in Chris Carson back on my roster. And I'm going to put Josh Adams out there at home with the 22 carries last week. So my running backs are full.
Andy Holloway
Mike also took Echoler before you took those two picks. I went ahead with. Mike took Antonio Brown and then I took juju and Josh Gordon as my wide outs. Mike, you're on the clock.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And man, what a world we live in where we're doing this this draft with limited games and Andy and I grab Antonio Brown and juju in the fourth round. I finished up my team with Kirk cousins. So I have that cream or Kirk Cousins, Adam Thielen stack. So my team is cousins, cream hunt, Austin Eckler, Adam Thielen and Antonio Brown.
Mike Wright
I grabbed my start of the week at quarterback as well. Russell Wilson stacking with Chris Carson, Josh Adams, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey. So I got two Seahawks and two Chiefs.
Jason Moore
Interesting.
Andy Holloway
Pat Mahomes, Matt Breida, James Connor, Juju Smith, Schuster. And then I went Josh Gordon.
Jason Moore
All right.
Andy Holloway
For a big game with Josh Gordon versus taking the chance with Stefan Diggs. The potential he could miss the game.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
But I'm saying you put it in. You put fantasy in the search bar and let it drop down.
Andy Holloway
Yeah. And then you click it.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Andy Holloway
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Jason Moore
Absolutely. Footquin. I'll see you on Sunday morning for the live stream. Good luck this weekend.
Mike Wright
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Title: Week 13 Matchups, In-or-Out, The Great Fog
Release Date: November 30, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Podcast: Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast
In Week 13 of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright delve into the latest NFL matchups, player statuses, and provide insightful fantasy football advice. The episode is structured around analyzing upcoming games, determining player availability (In-or-Out segment), and offering a detailed Fantasy Forecast to guide listeners in optimizing their fantasy rosters.
Andy Holloway expressed skepticism about the Bears' offensive prospects, especially with backup quarterback Chase Daniel leading the offense. He remarked,
"[01:27] Andy Holloway: Well, I mean, it fits that we do not know because who knew what was going to happen last night?"
Jason Moore highlighted the inefficiency of the Bears' running game, citing Camara and Ingram's struggles:
"[02:22] Jason Moore: You rode those guys. Camara, Breeze, Michael Thomas and you should have played Kirkwood."
The team discussions pointed towards a challenging offensive performance for Chicago, making the Giants slight favorites despite being underdogs.
Andy Holloway projected a final score of
"2120."
and expressed confidence in Christian McCaffrey's performance despite the Panthers' defensive strengths against the run.
Mike Wright emphasized the Buccaneers' tight end situation, stating,
"[23:43] Mike Wright: Yeah, no, I'm the same. James white is my 20 forced running back."
The Buccaneers are considered three and a half point underdogs with an over/under of 54.5 points, suggesting a competitive game with potential high fantasy points.
Andy Holloway praised Patrick Mahomes' exceptional performance rate, noting,
"[29:47] Andy Holloway: ... Mahomes 37 touchdowns. And then I just thought about that. He has 37."
Jason Moore and Mike Wright discussed the Chiefs' offensive prowess versus the Raiders' defensive struggles, favoring a dominant performance from Kansas City.
The over/under for the game stood at 55 points, indicating expectations of a high-scoring affair primarily driven by the Chiefs.
Andy Holloway labeled the matchup as a potential "almost upset," cautiously predicting a close game influenced by the Patriots' strong defensive play against quarterbacks:
"[37:06] Andy Holloway: ... Five point line is too much, Mike."
Mike Wright and Jason Moore deliberated on quarterback performances, with particular attention to Dalvin Cook's usage and Aaron Rodgers' mechanics versus Tom Brady's consistency.
The over/under was set at 49.5 points, with expectations of balanced offensive contributions from both teams.
Andy Holloway expressed concerns over San Francisco's offensive reliability, especially with key players like Matt Breida and George Kittle under scrutiny.
Jason Moore and Mike Wright debated the effectiveness of the Seahawks' defense against wide receivers, ultimately favoring Seattle as favorites with a 46-point over/under.
The game was projected to be challenging for San Francisco, with potential low fantasy outputs for their key offensive players.
Jason Moore advocated for starting Carson Wentz despite his recent struggles, citing Washington's weak pass defense:
"[52:49] Jason Moore: ... Carson Wentz will return to form. The matchup is not awful."
Andy Holloway and Mike Wright discussed the Eagles' inconsistency and injury concerns, promoting Wentz as a viable fantasy option against a vulnerable Eagles secondary.
The over/under for the game was established at 45 points, indicating a moderate-scoring contest with room for strategic plays.
Sam Darnold (Jets):
"[08:01] Jason Moore: Yeah, speaking of flying through them..."
Gus Edwards and Alex Collins (Philadelphia Eagles):
Marlon Mack (Chicago Bears):
"[08:25] Andy Holloway: Carry on."
Stefan Diggs (Philadelphia Eagles):
Amari Cooper (Atlanta Falcons):
"[05:24] Jason Moore: It is a new man."
Traquan Smith (New Orleans Saints):
Additional Players Discussed:
Chicago Bears vs. New York Giants:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Carolina Panthers:
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Oakland Raiders:
Vikings vs. New England Patriots:
San Francisco 49ers vs. Seattle Seahawks:
Washington Redskins vs. Philadelphia Eagles:
Andy Holloway on Patrick Mahomes:
"[29:47] Andy Holloway: ... Mahomes 37 touchdowns. And then I just thought about that. He has 37."
Jason Moore on Aaron Rodgers:
"[12:30] Mike Wright: I've heard that reference. He's got that demeanor, that don't care demeanor... I can't handle it."
Mike Wright on Dalvin Cook:
"[39:07] Mike Wright: None."
(Referring to Dalvin Cook's rushing touchdowns at that point)
Jason Moore on Chase Daniel:
"[18:00] Jason Moore: ... he's a pass catching back and Doug Martin, you know, they're going to be down."
Andy Holloway on Corey Davis:
"[35:11] Andy Holloway: ... I'm choosing to say stay in the flames with him."
Quarterback Performance is Pivotal:
Defense Matchups Matter:
Injury Reports Influence Decisions:
Player Consistency Over High Variance:
Fantasy Forecast Guides:
Week 13 of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offered a comprehensive analysis of NFL matchups and their implications on fantasy football strategies. By focusing on quarterback performances, defensive matchups, and player consistency, the hosts provided valuable insights to help fantasy managers optimize their teams. Notable quotes and timestamped discussions enriched the analysis, making the episode both informative and engaging for listeners.
Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, and outros to focus solely on the content-rich discussions pertinent to fantasy football insights.