Week 13 Waivers + Nard Attack, Shedeur Starts - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/25

Summary

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Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Week 13 Waivers + Nard Attack, Shedeur Starts

Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into Week 13 waiver wire targets, injury news, hot takes on emerging and faltering fantasy players, and plenty of in-depth roster advice to help listeners prepare for the upcoming fantasy playoff push. Along the way, the crew delivers their trademark blend of expert insight and fun banter — including a now-infamous "nard attack" moment from the latest NFL action, plus spirited debate on the Shedeur Sanders QB controversy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. League of Record Sweats and Monday Night Drama

• The hosts review the previous night’s action and its impact on fantasy leagues.
  • Andy and Jason lament the sluggish Carolina-49ers game, highlighting Brock Purdy’s three interceptions and questionable play-calling near the goal line (03:00).
  • “Brock Purdy had three first half interceptions... it was a real boring.” – Andy (03:42)
  • The group debates the reliability of Ricky Pearsall and the underperformance of Rico Dowdle, contrasting with Christian McCaffrey’s steady workload.

2. Quarterback Shakeups: Shedeur Sanders & More

• Spotlight on Shedeur Sanders, who was named starter for the Browns — a decision stirring strong opinions.
  • Jason recaps Coach Stefanski’s muted endorsement and ponders if Shedeur will keep the job (06:30).
  • Mike unpacks Shedeur’s polarizing debut: “If you’re on Team Sanders, you think he got hosed... If you don’t like Shedeur, he completed like, what, 55% of his passes.” (07:18)
  • Discussion on Sanders’ confidence and its divisive impact: “If you watch him talk in an interview, you want to punch him. He just says the most ridiculous things.” – Jason (08:17)
• Update on other QB situations: injuries to J.J. McCarthy, rumors around To Rod Taylor as a streaming option, and skepticism about how some injuries are framed as convenient when coaches want a change (12:21).

3. Injury News & Returning Players (Timestamps Range: 06:05—16:06)

• The hosts rapidly run through big-name injury updates and their fantasy implications:
  • Ashton Genti’s ankle, Pete Carroll’s hedging on player health, and the return of veteran OC Greg Olson.
  • Baker Mayfield’s AC sprain: “Just put a needle in it, get out there, Baker.” – Andy (10:40)
  • Jaden Daniels’ miraculous recovery, plus a dramatic recounting of his gnarly injury (“It was disgusting. It was like, look away. Hide your kids.” – Andy, 11:15).
  • Joe Burrow, T. Higgins, Josh Jacobs, Jamar Chase apology saga (14:30).
  • The infamous "Nard Attack": Kyle Shanahan’s candor about an on-field punch to the groin, sparking both laughs and debate about the severity of such actions and player equipment choices (15:14–16:55).
    • "How many games do you get for punching a dude in the nards?... Just a nard attack. Lower down uppercut to the sack right." – Andy (15:14)
    • “That was absolutely...I’ve never seen anything like it.” – Andy (15:31)

4. Waiver Wire Running Back Priorities (17:52—27:23)

• Injured RB return watch: Trey Benson, Amari Hampton, Bucky Irving. Monitor late-week reports and be ready to react.
  • “All will be forgiven for the injured weeks if Hampton or Benson or Bucky can bring you a fantasy title.” – Jason (19:25)
• Devin Neal: Priority pickup with Camara out. Strong receiving chops, but on a struggling offense.
  • “He’s a jack of all trades. He can catch...he’s decent around the goal line.” – Andy (21:36)
  • Neal’s favorable fantasy playoff schedule: Carolina, Jets, Titans.
• Kyle Monangai: Rising usage, potential to leapfrog Swift. Tough schedule but worth rostering for RB depth.
• Chris Rodriguez: Worth adding for workload and red zone work, especially with good matchups after this week.
• Bashaw Tootin, Dylan Sampson, Michael Carter: “Pay attention” candidates if injuries clear runway.
• Insurance plays: “I would not be having Christian McCaffrey without Brian Robinson on my bench at this point of the season.” – Mike (26:08)
• Drop debates: Ramondre Stevenson (hold one more week), Tutin (hold).

5. Wide Receiver Pickups & Drop Candidates (28:22—41:59)

• Parker Washington: Top add due to target volume in Jacksonville, at least until Brian Thomas Jr. returns.
  • “He’s been the number one target here...I think Parker Washington is a very short term rental but he has been very good.” – Andy (31:30)
• Christian Watson: High ceiling, big-play upside, ongoing competition with Jaden Reed.
• Kayshon Boutte, Jaden Higgins: Red zone presence and high target counts, but touchdown-dependent.
• Yoshi Voss: Plug-and-play this week with Higgins out.
• Luther Burden: Snap share and production rising but remains mostly a speculative stash.
• Chimere Dike: Underrated, strong returner and better usage with injuries ahead of him. “Three of the last five games where he has been a top 24 wide receiver, double digit fantasy points and he's a rookie that should just keep getting better.” – Andy (38:00)
• Deep league options: Mooney (Atlanta), John Metchie, Adonai Mitchell (Jets).
• Drop candidates: Addison, Xavier Worthy, and a struggling Ricky Pearsall (trend tied to Jauan Jennings’ health).

6. Tight End Streamers (and the “Loveland Debate”) (43:40—49:45)

• Spirited debate over Colston Loveland’s immediate and rest-of-season value.
  • “If you need to start a tight end this week, I would not start Colston Loveland against the Eagles...I think there's a lot of guys on waiver I would start over Colston Loveland.” – Andy (44:01)
  • Brenton Strange, Dalton Schultz, Cade Otton discussed as better immediate plays; Loveland preferred for playoff upside.
  • “From a fan perspective, if I'm picking up a tight end, I'm not like… I don’t know that I want to be like, okay, just one week for Dalton Schultz to give up potentially the rest of the season for Loveland.” – Mike (47:34)
• Gunner Helm (Tennessee), Colby Parkinson (LA): desperation dart throws, not consistent adds.

7. Streaming Defenses for Week 13 (49:45—54:50)

• Cleveland held as high-end, plug-and-play despite tough matchups: “If it is remotely similar and one of those teams is home, I’m always going to choose the home defense.” – Andy (50:44)
• Jacksonville: Great matchup vs. Tennessee, but consider defensive blocks if roster space allows.
• Other D/ST dart throws: Rams (vs. Carolina), Falcons (vs. Jets), Chargers (noted as top widely available play this week), Cardinals (especially if Baker is out or limited).
• Houston: Elite real-life defense, but facing tough opponents — recommended to stick but use caution.

8. Quarterback Streaming Options (54:54—61:42)

• Jacoby Brissett: Continually under-rostered, remains top QB stream for the week.
  • “Jacoby beef brisket will be the stream of the week until you people pick him up and play him.” – Mike (54:59)
  • “Since Week 6, QB3 in fantasy points per game… half of leagues, man, you could just pick him up and play him.” – Mike (55:08)
• Trevor Lawrence: Safe but uninspiring, inconsistent week-to-week, but gets a friendly matchup with Tennessee.
  • “He is the most inconsistent quarterback in the National Football League…on a play-to-play basis.” – Andy (57:44)
• Cam Ward: Deep-league, because of volatility but impressive recent finish.
• Start/Sit dilemma: Jacoby Brissett now a legitimate consideration over even Joe Burrow (“How do you argue with quarterback three since he started?” – Jason, 60:42)
• Lively discussion about how much to trust Brissett, who’s playing with nothing to lose.

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Most Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Shedeur Sanders’ Interview Style:
  “If you watch him talk in an interview, you want to punch him. I mean, he just says the most ridiculous things.” — Jason (08:17)
• “Nard Attack” Discussion:
  “How many games do you get for punching a dude in the nards?... Lower down uppercut to the sack right.” – Andy (15:14)
  “I've never seen anything like it.” – Andy (15:31)
• Streaming Defense Philosophy:
  “If it is remotely similar and one of those teams is home, I’m always going to choose the home defense.” – Andy (50:44)
• Jacoby Brissett Hype:
  “Jacoby beef brisket will be the stream of the week until you people pick him up and play him.” – Mike (54:59)
• On QB Volatility:
  “You are what you are at that point.” – Jason, about Trevor Lawrence after 71 career starts (58:37)
• Classic Fantasy Footballers Banter:
  The endless tight end conundrum, with Andy having to decide which of several marginal starters to cut, much to the others’ amusement (48:44–49:45).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• League of Record Recap & Carolina-SF Analysis: 03:00–05:47
• Shedeur Sanders & QB News: 06:30–09:09
• Injury Roundup: 10:23–16:55
• RB Waiver Breakdown: 17:52–27:23
• WR Waiver Targets & Drops: 28:22–41:59
• TE Streamers & Loveland Debate: 43:40–49:45
• DEF Streamers: 49:45–54:50
• QB Streamers (Brissett, Lawrence, Ward): 54:54–61:42

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Overall Tone & Style

Energetic, candid, and camaraderie-filled, this episode is classic Fantasy Footballers — packed with actionable fantasy advice, sharp player takes, and inside jokes. The hosts’ willingness to debate, admit when they’re wrong, and embrace both stats and narrative nuance gives the show its distinctive, league-winning edge.

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For listeners prepping for their playoff push, this is a must-listen-and-read episode: waiver wire priorities are dissected, start/sit situations are debated, and savvy roster management is front and center.

Transcript

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[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

I plan on going to sleep at noon today in preparation.

[Jason Moore]

Is that different than.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't usually go to bed at noon. That's a little touch you did for.

[Jason Moore]

A few years, based on our eating choices at lunch.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's true. But that was a nap. I meant like full bedtime.

[Jason Moore]

I will never forget driving back in the early days of the Fantasy footballers to our upstairs office, also known as the bedroom, and it's upstate. And Mike and I would be sitting in the front because you were always so gracious to give the taller, manlier men the front seats.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I wanted to stretch out and.

[Jason Moore]

We'D be driving back and talking and trying to strategize, build the company. And I'd look in my rear view mirror.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm telling you, I don't remember any of this.

[Jason Moore]

You don't, do you?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I know.

[Jason Moore]

And you'd sit in the middle, and so you'd be right in that rearview mirror, and I'd see your head back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's called the raising Cane's delight.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And you would. Ironically, he'd sound a little bit like a Megalodon.

[Mike Wright]

Truly a delight in the backseat.

[Jason Moore]

But no, we got a lot of stuff to talk about. It is waiver day. It is week 13 in the NFL season. We had some Sweats last night in our league of record with the Carolina 49er football game.

[Mike Wright]

What was that?

[Jason Moore]

Sir?

[Andy Holloway]

Not a lot of fun. What?

[Mike Wright]

What Sir?

[Andy Holloway]

Sir.

[Mike Wright]

First and goal Roger on the one and we have Rico doubt and we're like you know what we're going to do. They'll never see this coming. Interception. What are you doing?

[Jason Moore]

Well, both were a big part of the night. They were five of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Brock Purdy had three first half interceptions which is why it was such a close game at 20 to 9. This was not. This was a real boring.

[Jason Moore]

Any changes of opinion on Ricky Pearsall? I mean we're now twice.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean this is why I had to prove it.

[Mike Wright]

Total yard.

[Andy Holloway]

It makes sense. He did have the end zone. One of the interceptions was an under thrown deep end zone target which was not his fault, Brock's fault but you know he puts a better ball on there. You singing a different singing to different songs.

[Mike Wright]

Singing a different tune. Scoop bad Bentley do what do you.

[Jason Moore]

Did have a Tetroa McMillan touchdown. Which I'm thankful for that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, sort of. That game he had seven targets. He caught two of them.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, gross. Gross game. I mean Rico Dowdle.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Six carries.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[Mike Wright]

What are you doing man?

[Jason Moore]

What you do? What the other guys do. 24 carries for Christian McCaffrey.

[Andy Holloway]

Where.

[Mike Wright]

Where did the games go where they're like guys were losing, don't care. Give the ball the recap.

[Jason Moore]

That's how they've won.

[Mike Wright]

It's so yesterday's game plan was so weird.

[Andy Holloway]

6.3 yards of carry but only 6.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. George Kittle 6 for 78 CMC caught a bunch of passes again. Juwan Jennings has been the better wide receiver to play over the last couple of weeks and Brock Purdy looked bad and Bryce Young looked bad. Right after 450 yards in the NFC Player of the Week we've got 169 with two picks.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, the Falcons. What kind of defense are you for next week? No, for the 448 yards.

[Jason Moore]

Young, I got you.

[Andy Holloway]

This is why I consider making to Rod Taylor a streaming candidate this week. I like man, if Bryce Young could put up 448 against you.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But then you're like I'd be the dude that made to Rod Taylor.

[Mike Wright]

Sometimes you got to get Christian McCaffrey 31 touches.

[Andy Holloway]

Bryce Young has not thrown for 200 yards on the season outside of that one game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. That sounds like what Justin Fields had the one game against Cincinnati or whatever like every once in A while a defense doesn't show up to work. Let's talk some news.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Bryce Young actually threw for 328 against.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I apologize. Yeah, I was looking at the.

[Jason Moore]

You were dead wrong is what you're saying.

[Andy Holloway]

I was dead wrong. I was since late September. 120, 158, 199, 131.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are 124.

[Mike Wright]

I just like that the coach saw last week the 448. He's like, I'm changing everything.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, right.

[Mike Wright]

Rice is back, baby.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, he was like, I'm not. We don't need Rico.

[Jason Moore]

We have the official announcement that Shador Sanders has been named the starting quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Here we go.

[Jason Moore]

I hesitate to venture into the waters of polarizing Shador Sanders conversation, but this is a show built on conversation. And I will say this. If you saw Kevin Stefanski's locker room speech, it made me laugh.

[Andy Holloway]

I did not see it.

[Jason Moore]

It's like, let me see if I can put it on display because I don't remember the exact words, but he's in the locker. Shout out to the punter, baby. We did that thing.

[Andy Holloway]

Baby, let's go. Shout out to this guy.

[Jason Moore]

Let's go. And then a rookie had a good game. Nice job, Shador. All right, we got it. I mean, it was like.

[Mike Wright]

It was.

[Jason Moore]

If he could not have Shador in the zip code, he'd be so thrilled. Which makes me wonder if Shador is okay.

[Mike Wright]

Shador Sanders. The game was for the climate of Shador Sanders. It was perfection. Because if you're on Team Sanders, you think that he got hosed. He's a good prospect. He went out there and he won. He was the what, the first Browns rookie to win his first game in, like, forever. Forever. If you don't like Shador. He completed like, what, 55% of his passes. 55% of his passes.

[Andy Holloway]

11 total completions.

[Mike Wright]

He had. The touchdown was a. Just a screen pass and he did. I can't remember the number, but it was like very, very few of his actual completions were downfield or past the line of scrimmage. But he did have some. He had a couple good plays. It was perfection for whatever you want.

[Andy Holloway]

To see, both sides, whatever you want to see. Because he did. He did make some good plays. There were two downfield plays that were really good. They were caused, you know, by him. And then he had a bunch of really bad looking plays.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And if you. I mean, I get it. Like, if you watch him talk in an interview, you want to punch him. I mean, he just says the most ridiculous things.

[Mike Wright]

He is. He's very confident himself. I.

[Jason Moore]

Did you see the one week of practice thing? No, that was one week of practice. That was just one week of practice. It's just. It's funny. I mean, I want to see him succeed because I think it's great for the Browns, it's great for the NFL. You have a young man who is one of the most electric players in college football. I'd rather him go out there and give me something exciting.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Than the milk toast of Dylan Gabriel. No disrespect. I mean, Disrespect.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I can't really disclaim them when I say milk toast.

[Andy Holloway]

I said no disrespect.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, but, yeah, I'll start again is the point. He's going to start again and we'll. We'll have all the same.

[Mike Wright]

Entertaining.

[Jason Moore]

And the Raiders say they believe Ashton Genti's late game ankle injury is not severe. We still put Raheem Mostert into our waiver pickups because you never know with these ankle injuries. It can suddenly become something it's not. And Pete Carroll, he said. I haven't heard that it was going to limit him. It sounds like there's a chance he'll be okay. That's not enough for me.

[Andy Holloway]

That means there's a chance he's not okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

And he doesn't have any assistance left to rely on for that information.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah. What he's got. Greg Olson is back, everybody. Oh, legend of the fantasy footballers Greg Olson.

[Andy Holloway]

Two different times in his storied career, he has had a top 10 points per game team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, twice in like 20 years. And they were both number 10.

[Jason Moore]

He was a Raiders OC in 13 and 14, Raiders OC in 18 through 21. Took a little time on the couch last year and now he's back.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Because he'd always. He's the most affordable OC in the game.

[Andy Holloway]

He was the quarterback coach with the Seahawks with Pete Carroll, so I think that's where they met up. He must be the nicest guy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Just lovable.

[Mike Wright]

Get ready for some.

[Andy Holloway]

This will fix it.

[Mike Wright]

Get ready for some positive field punts, guys.

[Jason Moore]

Baker Mayfield, no fracture, no structural damage. Adam Schefter reporting AC joint sprain that is on the shoulder that he doesn't throw with. So they're not ruling him out for this game. And I shoot it up.

[Andy Holloway]

Just put a needle in it get out there bigger.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know what's happening to Jason this week.

[Mike Wright]

It's Thanksgiving week. I'm ready. Jason's already on vacation.

[Jason Moore]

He is very. He is shooting from the hip. Jaden Daniels is returning to practice this week. A long shot to play this week.

[Mike Wright]

Absurd.

[Jason Moore]

You think so?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I'm sure that he's back because.

[Jason Moore]

The injury was so.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Gruesome.

[Mike Wright]

What we saw the fact. I mean, that was a season ending injury.

[Andy Holloway]

That was. Should have been.

[Mike Wright]

And he's like, all right, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Just give me a couple weeks. I'm just thrilled he got to keep the arm.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what I mean? Like, it was disgusting. It was like, look away. Hide your kids.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's a good mean.

[Mike Wright]

Just like a couple twists. The thing was just right.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Right off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm carving a turkey here soon. I know these joints. You just slide it right through. That comes right off.

[Jason Moore]

Come on, man. But hey, that's a man's arm.

[Mike Wright]

Not this week, but I'm thrilled that he's back.

[Jason Moore]

J.J. mcCarthy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Is in the concussion protocol.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Move, Okie.

[Jason Moore]

Per Koc. Max Brosmer would be in line to start if McCarthy can't go. Who is an undrafted free agent out of Minnesota.

[Andy Holloway]

Man stream of the week. It'll probably be great.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, Max Brosmer could be the starting quarterback and that could be better.

[Mike Wright]

I. We. I don't want to publicly doubt that he has the symptoms. It's just. That's some fortunate timing.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

For the Minnesota Vikings to be like, wait, wait, we wanted to get him. We're just so.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you say fortunate or unfortunate?

[Mike Wright]

Fortunate for the Vikings.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Unfortunate for McCarthy.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying for. For the coaching staff to be like, we totally were going to play J.J. mcCarthy this week, guys. All the confidence. He just can't.

[Jason Moore]

You know what's wild is I feel like these things happen. Like Kyler. Right. Like, Kyler was probably ready to play and then they don't play him. But you know what never happens is these guys never come out in public. It's like Kyler, oh, you can't do that. I know, I know.

[Mike Wright]

That's full out war against your.

[Jason Moore]

I agree. But. But if you really are being well.

[Andy Holloway]

It makes you look bad. Not. Not just like, oh, I'm talking out against my organization. But it may like he's got the warm blanket of I didn't get benched. So does Kyler. Like, it's like, it wasn't play. I got hurt. So don't worry. About it. Give me a. Give me a contract next year. Let me start.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, well, look, McCarthy. It's pretty impossible to play worse than McCarthy, so Max Brosmer has that going for him. The practice window has been open for Darren Waller.

[Mike Wright]

Okay?

[Jason Moore]

So there is. There is the chance he makes an impact in your fantasy playoffs.

[Mike Wright]

There's a chance.

[Jason Moore]

Joe Burrow listed as a full participant on the estimated practice report.

[Mike Wright]

If you didn't catch Joe Burrows announcement on his Instagram with the photo of a very tight fitting Cleveland Cavaliers jersey.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not going to say it was very funny. He had boobs, but he had boobs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

T. Higgins ruled out, though.

[Mike Wright]

He looked better than I would look in that tight jersey.

[Andy Holloway]

Be some spillage, some overflow. Yeah, he's coming out of the Jersey.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Jacobs Ltd. With the knee. We'll see if he makes it back. T. Higgins, if you didn't hear me, rolled out with a concussion. He won't play against Baltimore. So we've got Yoshi Voss on the waiver list today. Jamar Chase will return after his incredible written apology to everyone but Jalen Ramsey.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, he did an apology?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, an incredible apology.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't see it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, multi paragraphs.

[Andy Holloway]

Who did?

[Jason Moore]

Jamar Chase.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Full responsibility for his actions.

[Mike Wright]

But he didn't spit.

[Jason Moore]

He apologized to the Steelers organization.

[Andy Holloway]

What actions did he apologize for?

[Jason Moore]

He did. I think he kind of took it on the chin. Except for he didn't apologize to one man. One man that he spit on. I mean, if I spit on you, Jason, and I apologize to everybody in.

[Mike Wright]

This office, I would accept.

[Andy Holloway]

So if you get. If you get suspended for a game for spitting, now, I'm not saying spitting is good or you should spit on people.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you should not.

[Andy Holloway]

You should not. Yeah, I'm better against it, but also in the game, you're getting sweat. You're probably getting saliva on each other on accident.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, but getting drooled on is not.

[Andy Holloway]

How many games do you get for punching a dude in the nards? Oh, okay. Because yesterday, straight up, just a nard attack. Lower down uppercut to the sack right.

[Mike Wright]

Now, just blocked out.

[Andy Holloway]

If you didn't see this, that was absolutely. Nothing you said was inaccurate. No, it was unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it.

[Jason Moore]

When Kyle Shanahan comes out and says, literally, he's like, what do you have to say to Juwan Jennings for going and attacking him? He goes, yeah, it was a cheap shot. He punched him in the balls. I'm really proud of Juan Shinning.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he's like, I'm proud that he didn't go nuclear.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He didn't, like, do the Karate Kid kick.

[Jason Moore]

It was borderline. You get on one knee and whoopa.

[Andy Holloway]

It was like, I would like to propose. Just kidding. You're the nards. It was unbelievable.

[Jason Moore]

I've always wanted to know, because my son asked me this. Do they wear cups or not?

[Mike Wright]

No, I never.

[Jason Moore]

No. Now, I mean, Mike, you'd know.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no.

[Jason Moore]

So that went square in the. That was a direct hit there.

[Mike Wright]

You can often tell that guys are not wearing cups in football pants.

[Andy Holloway]

Guys. That's.

[Jason Moore]

You know what.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. You know, good counter argument. I've seen some of those. Yeah. You know, we. We joke about how stupid it is for defenders who, when they lose their cool, they will close fist punch a helmet. I mean, yeah, this dude's smart. This guy's like, he ain't got no money's worth. Yeah. If I'm throwing a punch, if I'm.

[Mike Wright]

Going to get a game for punching you in the helmet, I'm.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to punch you in the helmets.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, goodness gracious.

[Andy Holloway]

You got to look up. You got to look it up on X because it's. It's really unbelievable that a human like that takes some gumption. There's no mistake. There's no accident. He wasn't trying to punch him in the leg. And then he just lowered. Down it goes.

[Jason Moore]

He got him in the leg. Rashi Rice Ltd. On Monday's estimated report. Hamstring. We'll have to monitor that. Rice has a great matchup this week. Pacheco, full participant.

[Mike Wright]

Did we say Higgins is out?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, a bunch of times. A whole bunch. Third time we're reporting that one.

[Mike Wright]

I have lost track of things after.

[Jason Moore]

After the nut punch. All right, that was news. And no. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates, third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage of policy terms, limits and conditions. There's no insurance for that. Let's talk waivers.

[Andy Holloway]

The waiver wire presented by Jimmy John's.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the Broncos, Chargers, Commanders and Dolphins come back from the bye week and we have nobody on bye for week 13. Putting the mega and Megalodon. We have all the matchups to talk through. We'll start that tomorrow on the Megalodon show. It will be a lot of fun. We'll have a giveaway tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, we will.

[Jason Moore]

So you'll want to listen in. I think we've got a Jamar Chase jersey, a Josh Jacobs jersey, both signed. And then we're going to probably add some more stuff into that as well. Big Megalodon giveaway.

[Mike Wright]

So sweaty right now. He's like, do we.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, we do. We've got a Colston Loveland mini helmet signed.

[Mike Wright]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Signed by Mr. Loveland.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, and Kyle wants to give away job.

[Jason Moore]

Mr. Loveland job.

[Mike Wright]

Love Land. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, that's why I call myself.

[Mike Wright]

You wouldn't Loveland.

[Jason Moore]

You would be Loveland Loveland in certain situations. This show is good. I'm on vacation now too.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason. Yeah. Welcome. All are welcome on vacation.

[Jason Moore]

Guys, let's talk waivers. Starting with the running back position. We. We're on like injured running back return watch for Trey Benson for Amari and Hampton for Bucky Irving. Like, we, you know, these are big deals, big players that can make a huge impact. Like, all will be forgiven for the. The injured weeks if Hampton or Benson or Bucky can bring you a fantasy title.

[Andy Holloway]

100%. And we won't know by the time we record the. The Megalodon episode for sure. For most of those players, it'll be later in the week, so you'll just have to pay attention. Follow us on X and we'll.

[Jason Moore]

We'll tweet out what we can at the ffballers. Yeah, we'll be watching for the Hampton news. We'll see if he comes back after the bye week. That's what the rumor was. They got to designate him to return first. What else do we have though, beyond, you know, Trey Benson, 69% roster. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Just take a peek. Like, I can't imagine Hampton's out there, but Trey Benson may have been dropped in some leagues. So just go. I mean, like, you got office out there where Benson might be available.

[Andy Holloway]

It was close to having him return this last week. He was eligible to return, I think in week 10. So this is a player that's ease ready and they've taken their time. I think Benson plays and I think bad matchup though.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Against Tampa Bay and then the Rams and then Houston. So it's a really tough stretch. Holy.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't realize that.

[Mike Wright]

But I think Benson is. I think he's a very good player and I'm excited to see what he can do now that it will be his opportunity with James Connor going.

[Jason Moore]

And we had an injury to Bam Knight last week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Or at least that was what we.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he got. He got shooketh. We don't have any updated information on it, but if Benson's back, I think it's Benson's like he will get the.

[Jason Moore]

Majority running backs averaging 20.9 fantasy points per game against Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay right in the middle at 15 right now in terms of you.

[Mike Wright]

Got to catch passes, which Benson can do.

[Jason Moore]

Devin Neal. Let's talk about Devin Neal because Alvin Camara is going to miss some time. It could be. It could be a lot of time. And Devin Neal, you know, this would have been. We would have been talking all about the opportunity and for the Saints, Andre Miller, but of course we can never talk about that.

[Andy Holloway]

How sad.

[Jason Moore]

Devin be talking about Marshawn Lloyd once Josh Jacobs are down. But we can never talk about that.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that we get an opportunity to talk about Devin Neal because this is a player I know both Mike and I loved. Loved his college tape. This isn't a superstar. We didn't see him as like, oh, you know, he's his Bijan. But Devin Neal was like, this is a really good player. I think he's.

[Mike Wright]

He's very interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

A jack of all trades. He can catch the ball very well. He's decent around the goal line, you know, jack of all trades, master of none, a quality back. Now, unfortunately, he's on a really bad offense that doesn't project to score a lot of points. So I've got. You've got to temper your expectations here. But the nice thing is, like sometimes the backup that is left to go like a bam night, you know, it's like this is just a guy, you know, some. Some journeyman undrafted free agent who. Injury has propelled him ahead. Now, Devin Neal fell to the sixth round, but I think he's a good back. And this last week he got targeted seven times, caught five of seven.

[Mike Wright]

Kamara has not done so.

[Andy Holloway]

That's wonderful to see. Now, if Camara misses a lot of time, you know, we're towards the end of the season. I don't know that you need to rush Camara back to save the Saints season.

[Jason Moore]

Like, he's missing the end of season, by the way.

[Andy Holloway]

He really does. But his playoff schedule, if this goes for the rest of the season, is Carolina, the Jets, the Titans.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

So opportunity knocks.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

And Devin Neal answers.

[Andy Holloway]

I think so.

[Jason Moore]

10% roster. He's a priority AD. You need to put somebody on your roster that can get the majority of snaps at running back. So he's kind of. Is he on the top of our list outside of Benson?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he is for me.

[Jason Moore]

And then Kyle Manon guy, pay attention because we already know how capable he was when Swift missed time. Swift fumbled, wasn't productive Isn't their dude. And Kyle Menonga, another touchdown. Three straight weeks, 12 for 48. He runs with ferocity, he falls forward, he breaks tackles. It's not a good stretch though.

[Andy Holloway]

It's bad as they come.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean you don't, you know, you don't really want like the Caleb Williams right now. If I had Caleb Williams, I'd be trying to find options quickly because Philly, Green Bay, Cleveland, two of them on the road.

[Andy Holloway]

Sheesh.

[Jason Moore]

You're going to make mistakes because he's always good for that. And then it's just going to be like low upside situations for Caleb Williams. I'd be trying to find. If I've been rolling with him, I'd be trying to find some pivot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the exciting. So the schedule's tough for Manangai. The good exciting thing is, you know, Mike, this was a guy you were talking about early in the season as you're looking at who could maybe overtake the starter, not just injury ahead of him this last week. I know that there was a fumble and I don't necessarily think that it has happened, but he got more work, he was more involved, more snaps than DeAndre Swift while Swift was healthy. So as the season progresses, the rookie Manangai could overtake Swift. Swift is not so talented a back that he just can't hold off Manangai.

[Mike Wright]

It's possible and Ben Johnson has, I mean, slower than I would prefer. He's really slow. Played the rookies because of with Love Land and Love Land and Luther Burden and Mononga, but they're, they're starting to get more opportunities now and could be.

[Jason Moore]

Second half guys, don't forget Chris Rodriguez, who got the majority of the work for Washington coming off the bye week, hit a lot of waivers. But, you know, 15 opportunities on the ground in his last start, 79 yards on that. And guess what, it's a lot better for him if Jaden Daniels returns to his starting lineup at some point. He's only 29% rostered, say versus Denver this week.

[Mike Wright]

You don't love that, but perhaps Jaden Daniels is back next week. And then you get Minnesota and the Giants. Chris Rodriguez, even if you're not playing him this week, you might want to just, you know, get that, get that running back depth ready for your playoff.

[Jason Moore]

Run and he's going to be their dude around the goal line 100%. Even if the carries, if you're not 15 or you're not efficient. He scored in three or four games before he kind of took over Bay Shawl Tutin another one to pay attention to. But the workload, it diminished quickly against Arizona. He had gotten banged up after the productive week before. Dylan Sampson is the pay attention just for the Judkins practice reports. Dylan Sampson is probably not somebody you can start outside of pure desperation. If Judkins is active and then you know Arizona, it's not a guarantee. Trey Benson's back this week. So if Bam Knight's banged up, Michael Carter can catch passes. You could do worse, right? I'd still play Michael Carter in the pass catching probably if Benson's out over Bam Knight. But I understand the debate. If Bam Knight is practicing, Bam Knight would be the touchdown guy.

[Mike Wright]

Also your insurance running backs people, Brian Robinson. If we're really at 35% in sleeper leagues, I would not be having Christian McCaffrey without Brian Robinson on my, on my bench at this point of the season.

[Jason Moore]

If you, if you had no choice, you'd drop Camara for Neil if you.

[Mike Wright]

Don'T have an option.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And then Ramondre and Tutin, those are other drop candidates people have brought up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm not dropping Tootin.

[Andy Holloway]

No way.

[Mike Wright]

Like I'm adding Bashaw Tootin if he's around and I have a spot. Ramondre is the. You might have like a Charbonnet situation up in New England where the it wasn't a an incredible, amazing fantasy performance by Henderson, but Henderson did get the snaps and he got most of the work. Ramon Ray might be good for a touchdown, but I'm fine dropping him.

[Andy Holloway]

I want to hold on to him for at least another week. I mean Ramon dre only played 31% of the snaps. And so you go, is that Trayvon Henderson or is that just first week back from injury? Could be. And so this week I think will be very telling. If he's again 31%, then you're going into the bye week and then you would expect a rookie out of the by late in the season to get even more work then, then I think you can move on.

[Jason Moore]

All right, we'll take our first break and come back with some wide receiver waiver pickups.

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[Jason Moore]

Wide receivers, let's talk about it. I would not pick up Brandon Iuk.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Neither would the 49ers.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know if we even talked about that on the show. Yeah. Did we?

[Jason Moore]

That they're going to release him. Probably didn't.

[Mike Wright]

That they. They. Over the weekend, it came out that they had figured out how to void all his guarantees.

[Jason Moore]

Shanahan came out yesterday and actually confirmed that they did that in July.

[Mike Wright]

We did that in breaking news.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. We did they really?

[Andy Holloway]

I hadn't heard that he said that they voided it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The comments from Shanahan were that they voided him back in July and that it was related to some other stuff. He kind of dismissed the meeting, not showing up at meetings, things, because he said any player on ir, they're not in the routine of the meetings, Their schedules are all over the place. But he basically said they did void it earlier in July. But I mean, these two.

[Mike Wright]

There's no way he's coming back then.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, no, of course.

[Andy Holloway]

What are you talking about?

[Jason Moore]

No, but Brandon Iuk, I'm telling you, these. I said this before this even reported. They hate each other.

[Mike Wright]

It does seem.

[Jason Moore]

It is like a personal. I mean, he is voiding $25 million. You're not. You're not coming off the severity of that injury and going and collecting the amount of guaranteed money he is voiding. It's wild. This is like a bag fumble of epic proportions. And I. He. He did not want to sign this deal with them, and it became a desperation situation. Remember, the deal was like, locked up with Pittsburgh or he was going to go to Pittsburgh. I mean, he wanted out and they forced his hand and now he's like, I still want out. I don't understand it.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's weird, but, yeah, he'll find a job.

[Jason Moore]

He'll find a job. Yeah. No question.

[Andy Holloway]

The question was always, is it going to be Debo or iuk? And the answer was neither.

[Jason Moore]

Right, Right. Yeah. But pay attention to Jaden Reed, by the way, designated return last Friday, coming back, practicing. And don't forget, I mean, Mike Evans is technically eligible to return at some point here after week 13. I don't know if he will comeback, but they could use some players. And Garrett Wilson eligible in week 15. That one's kind of like, I've Let him go in leagues.

[Mike Wright]

I totally understand letting Garrett Wilson go, but he, I mean if he comes back and seems healthy, it wouldn't, I don't know. Weirder things happen in the playoffs.

[Jason Moore]

All right, top pickups at the wide receiver position. I've loved everything I've seen from Parker Washington since he became a high priority wide receiver in Jacksonville. He's 56% rostered. Had another seven targets, five for 71 and one. The matchup is awesome this week for Trevor Lawrence against Tennessee. So I think Parker Washington is a plug and play option.

[Andy Holloway]

He sure could be and that just means he'll probably disappoint. But I've got him at the top of my list.

[Jason Moore]

He's been really good.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been, I mean the last two weeks prior to this was 33 yards and 20 yards so. And you know, yours truly played him for one of those and I feel the burns. So he has been the number one target here. They've got Jacoby Myers. I don't know. Have we heard an update on Brian Thomas Jr?

[Mike Wright]

Not lately.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not missing the rest of the season. He will come back at some point. As far as a plug and play option, I think Parker Washington is there. He's. He's had enough fantasy points over the last two months. Enough targets. Christian Watson is available just as much as Parker Washington though against Detroit his target market share was great. He had seven targets this last week. He had two touchdowns the week before. I would personally I think I would rather have Christian Watson because not only is it, I know I would rather have Watson. Jaden Reed is, is going to come back at some point but Christian Watson I feel like is a bigger play home run hitter than Parker Washington.

[Jason Moore]

I'll take Parker Washington now.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you think happens with Parker Washington? Let's say Brian Thomas Jr. Comes back two weeks from now and now you've got Brian Thomas Jr. Plus Jacoby Myers plus Parker Washington plus remember they got Brenton Strange back and that was a target that they had been missing for a while. At that point I feel like. I don't know. I think Parker Washington is a very short term rental but he has been very good and you know a first rate guy there.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean it would change a lot if Brian Thomas Jr's back but he's not yet. So I'd ride Parker until then. I mean when they had Travis Hunter healthy there were games where Parker Washington had 11 and 10 targets. So I think he's fine right now. Watson definitely can take the shot I just think that Watson's total like you just need to get the big one. I think K's on Booty is one that you want to pay attention to. Another week removed from injury, 50% rostered, had an end zone target. He drew a PI call on. That's where they use him, right. He's a touchdown scorer. They play New York, they're at home. I think Booty could get that. Booty could get back to scooting. To scooting.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, there we go.

[Andy Holloway]

Get it moving. I want to point out Jaden Higgins who has been even better than you think over the last couple months. Really after their bye week. Jaden Higgins. It was the second round rookie wide receiver for the Texans. The matchup against Indianapolis this week will be, you know, 44 and a half point over under. So that's fine. And two weeks ago against Tennessee he was an inch away. He got taken down at the one, you know, it's like the six inch line. And so had. Had he just gotten that in, I think we'd be looking at him very, very differently. That would be four touchdowns in the last five weeks, much more involvement and he's a good player. He showed up in good spots. I don't know if we're unhappy with the quarterback situation where we're not sure who's.

[Jason Moore]

He's just going to be touchdown dependent because his yardage numbers haven't been there. I haven't like he scored three times but 34, 42, 55, 38. I think that's what it'll come down to. He's big enough to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just, it's funny because I agree. It's like we look at different things, right? Touchdown, upside, check yardage. Very much not check, right. The, Those, those aren't. 55, 48, 34, 38, not good enough. But then you look at the targets which is really what is usually the indicator of how many yards are you going to get. 8, 7, 7, 9. Like I want those targets. It's just been Davis Mills targets and I don't know if it's really that much better if it's CJ Stroud targets or not.

[Mike Wright]

Davis Mills is three and oh, right.

[Andy Holloway]

Now I know he's been playing dude.

[Mike Wright]

Davis Mills, I know they've won every week but you just sometimes you haven't stopped to think about the whole like the collective. Like little Davis Mills has won three games in a row.

[Jason Moore]

Little Mac Jones, Rock Purdy. It's a little. The defense, the defense is so good. So it's like, you know, this is.

[Mike Wright]

Not an anti Stroud.

[Jason Moore]

No, it's just a. Like you get more feeling with Stroud, I think, still. But Davis has been great.

[Andy Holloway]

Davis is on a 17 game pace. He started three games. Three and oh, he's on a 17 game pace of 4,000 yards, 28 touchdowns and five interceptions.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Nico was good. Two of the three starts, I believe as well. So.

[Andy Holloway]

So C.J. stroud's headache is going to continue.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. Headache? You called it a headache.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just saying the symptoms.

[Jason Moore]

Yoshi Voss last week, seven targets, four for 61. There'll be no T. Higgins. It's Baltimore. It's a big game on Thursday. Yoshi Voss, only 36% rostered. That's plug and play option this week as well. On the short week, it'll be Joe Burrow. So that'll be an interesting game to see what happens. I mean, Lamar's been so blah.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But it's Cincinnati like you're, you're at the only point of your life you might be able to make Lamar a start of the week type of situation because he's been so bad. Luther Burden, you know, it's still tough to play him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I get that he hasn't had.

[Jason Moore]

You know, he just doesn't play a lot of snaps. It feels like to me, he feels like playing a. Like if I had Loveland and I had Burden and I had to flex one of them, I would play Loveland every week over Burden.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

And so he feels like a kind of a lower tier version of the Loveland start right now in the offense where Odunze and DJ Moore are going to still be your premier guys, but you do have a shot. It's just the touchdown upside comes with Loveland. Three catches in three straight weeks. 51, 27, 46 yards. Snap count was at 51%. It's just I don't know if he can do enough to make himself relevant every week this year. But the future could happen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the arrow is pointing up, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you pick him up and start him. I don't even think I would pick him up because what would have to happen, you'd have to have an injury ahead of him for him to be consistently involved enough. He's still like playing. He's up to playing half the snaps, which is great trajectory. But he's also, if he was playing 50% of snaps the whole year, you'd be like, he can't play that guy, he's playing half snaps if he went.

[Jason Moore]

Down to 50% of the snaps.

[Andy Holloway]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Crap. Yeah. He's a player I've had on my roster three times this year and dropped him three times because he feels really fun to sign on waiver day because he's a young rookie. And then you go and you get two or three catches and you're like, am I ever going to play him?

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

I would add Jaden Reed. I mean, I'd add Jaden Reed to the roster. I think there's a real need for Reed.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I feel the need for Reed and he has had a history of fantasy productivity. I'd put him on the roster. Do you guys care about Chimray DK in Tennessee?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

Because this is. Do you realize like DK is on pace for nearly breaking the all purpose yard record in a single NFL season because of how amazing he's been on punt returns.

[Andy Holloway]

Like he's such a good returner.

[Jason Moore]

He's the best returner in the game. And they, they criticize the drafting of DK quite a bit. And now he's had a productive, he's had a few productive weeks in the receiving game. IO Manor was out, Ridley is gone. And the matchup this week specifically for DK is great against the Jacksonville team that is struggles against the.

[Andy Holloway]

No, if you need a start, I think he is in line. You can put him in there. You've got three of the last five games where he has been a top 24 wide receiver, double digit fantasy points and he's a rookie that should just keep getting better. And also Cam Ward has been looking better. So it's not just oh, here's a rookie wide receiver figuring it out. It's here's a. Basically a rookie offense that should be getting better. I think DK is a very important pickup Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Other names at wide receiver that you have interest in.

[Andy Holloway]

Also if you're, if you're searching for DK that is spelled D I K E. Right. If you're like going to your platform and you don't know how to spell Chimray dk.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Chimray is C H I M E R E as well. I mean none of that sounds like it's spelled.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Mooney don't sound it out.

[Mike Wright]

Mooney for Atlanta maybe. Maybe as long as Drake London is out. And then the. I give. If you are in the mucky, mucky muck. The guys from the Jets, I mean I hesitate to even bring it up but they both had seven targets I'm talking about John Mechi and Adnai Mitchell.

[Jason Moore]

Well with. With Taylor you have a shot.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. So and look Atlanta and then Miami and then Jack and then Jacksonville. I mean who would you.

[Andy Holloway]

Who would you take a shot on there? Adnai Downfield or.

[Mike Wright]

I'd go with Metchie.

[Jason Moore]

I think I would too. Yeah, because you. I mean Mitchell has one catch, two catches. Mechi, it's a little bit better floor both of them.

[Mike Wright]

It's fascinating of they hire drafted guys seem like they didn't really get a true shot like Mechi. You know I mean we had the year one was lost to the cancer treatment and he just never truly found a spot for the Texans. And then Adnai Mitchell of course was talented but got punted off of a bridge by the Colts after the so they'll be fun to watch. Not that I'm clamoring to get them into the lineup but in deep, deep leagues I'm okay picking them up.

[Jason Moore]

These are the final two weeks before your fantasy playoffs in the majority of leagues. So this is like nitty gritty time for some of these starts, right? The drop candidates. I think there are two names that are really interesting. Addison, like if we're sitting here talking about how much of a struggle it is for Justin Jefferson, Addison feels I.

[Mike Wright]

Would, I'd watch the new guy before I.

[Jason Moore]

You'd get a brosmer.

[Mike Wright]

I just every. Everyone not named J.T. mcCarthy succeeds for the Kevin O' Connell and his offense, everybody. So I would at least go one week and see what can do.

[Andy Holloway]

I would be fine. Moving on through Xavier Worthy. He had eight targets last week. It was his best game in a while and still wasn't pretty relevant.

[Jason Moore]

Ricky Piersol.

[Mike Wright]

No, not yet. Not yet. It's getting tempting, it's getting louder.

[Jason Moore]

He. I don't have the snap count that he played. He was 75% in his first game back which was the one for zero. Game two for six this week. And I mean it's a tough situation because we know he's a really talented player. He really had two good games this year and then he got hurt.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

That's a pretty small situation to make a judgment call on the long term viability.

[Mike Wright]

And we.

[Jason Moore]

And he may not be fully healthy is my point. Like he may not be.

[Mike Wright]

He may not be.

[Jason Moore]

May not be himself.

[Mike Wright]

And if you look at the overlapping map, Week one, Juwan Jennings was still coming off of his preseason injury. Week two, Juan Jennings healthy, has a great game. Ricky Pearsall does not. Week three, interesting. Joanne Jennings is Out.

[Jason Moore]

So maybe that Jenning games were the Piersol games.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. So perhaps that needed more attention than I gave it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

Okay, I think tight end is a little more interesting than it's been. Do you guys agree?

[Andy Holloway]

I agree, but I'm shocked with who our number one is. Not based on the player, just based.

[Jason Moore]

On the matchup for this specific week.

[Mike Wright]

Matchup? Jason, you're still trying to.

[Andy Holloway]

This has nothing. Look, Colson Loveland is a good player.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still over here doubting the dog land.

[Andy Holloway]

The whole conversation on Colson Loveland has been, you know, the fun dog conversation. That's, that's, that's all good and fun, but if you need to start a tight end this week. I would not start Colson Loveland against the Eagles this last week, Ferguson was okay. He was okay. Outside of that, no one's been okay against like, Philly shuts down the tight end and Colson Loveland is not this just he's getting 10 targets a week type of player. I think there's a lot of guys on waiver. I would, I would start over Colson Loveland. Now, long term, if you want to say, like, well, I want the rookie, I want him for the playoffs, great, scoop them up. But I just personally wouldn't be playing.

[Mike Wright]

So then who are you? Who's your priority pickup for this week?

[Jason Moore]

So stranger things.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think Brenton Strange, who was a target in the draft season for the Jags, you know, you saw Trevor to Lawrence last year. Target Evan Ingram like crazy. Britain Strange looked like he was going to be a thing and then he got injured. Tennessee, Indianapolis, the Jets coming up. You know, if you need a start this week, I think Baker's back. I think Kate Oughton against Arizona would be a better matchup. And then don't forget Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz is, you know, has been very involved and has been playing good. They.

[Mike Wright]

Superman plays good.

[Andy Holloway]

This last week, again, was a bad matchup. We knew that going in. Buffalo is one of those teams that shuts down tight ends as well. I'm not going to be afraid of one bad matchup against a team that shuts down tight ends.

[Jason Moore]

Do you understand, though, emotionally, how lame.

[Andy Holloway]

It is to put a claim in on Schultz over Loveland?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, like. Like there's. I'm not doing that. Really? I'm not doing that. No, no. I'm going to play the more fun, explosive young player whose snap counts are going up.

[Mike Wright]

Do you want.

[Jason Moore]

I get the Strange sports car?

[Mike Wright]

I think I'm in size sedan.

[Jason Moore]

I think Strange is a better play. Probably.

[Andy Holloway]

I.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm still my. I still might not do this this week.

[Mike Wright]

I can agree that, that Brenton Strange is probably a better play than Loveland.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. The sports car versus the.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you're just. You're getting a nice.

[Jason Moore]

Like the golf cart.

[Mike Wright]

I would do it. I wouldn't even call him a golf cart. Golf cart is a good time.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

You ever.

[Jason Moore]

You ever drive car with a governor?

[Mike Wright]

Have you ever driven a golf cart and had a bad time?

[Jason Moore]

No. It's fun.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I have never. Not once. Dalton Schultz has been a top 10 tight end four of the last six games.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

No one's. No one's debating that.

[Andy Holloway]

Sounds like you guys are really debating. No, no, he's not even a golf cart.

[Jason Moore]

Speed wise, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

No speed wise. I mean, Zach Ertz is the same.

[Jason Moore]

I would call him the governor, but I wouldn't mean it like the leader of a. Right. I'd mean it like what restricts an engine. Speed. I like that.

[Andy Holloway]

He. He is definitely the governor.

[Jason Moore]

No top speed, but again, I get it. No, you're right. I would just have a hard time, me personally, sitting down in emerging.

[Andy Holloway]

I get it. The breakout could be happening. The breakout could be happening on Loveland. So I think there should be a bet here. Loveland versus Schultz.

[Jason Moore]

What's the matchup for Schultz?

[Andy Holloway]

Schultz is Indianapolis.

[Jason Moore]

What's the bet? Is it just coolest catches?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no, no, no. Just fantasy points. Half ppr no, no.

[Jason Moore]

You're probably gonna end up right. I'm just saying I would just explaining it from a fantasy manager perspective. I love Loveland.

[Andy Holloway]

From a fan.

[Jason Moore]

From a fan perspective, if I'm picking.

[Mike Wright]

Up a tight end, I'm not like, I don't know that I want to be like, okay, just one week for Dalton Schultz to give up potentially the rest of the season for Loveland.

[Andy Holloway]

That is what I mean. That's a legitimate argument that I think is fair. If you.

[Mike Wright]

If I get five points from Loveland this week, so be.

[Andy Holloway]

Which one of these guys could help me win a championship is certainly Loveland over. Over Schultz. So please don't hear what I'm not saying. I am definitely saying that this is a weak. A weak matchup where I think it is bad for Loveland this week against Philly. And that's matches what you've said all year.

[Mike Wright]

Dunking on love.

[Jason Moore]

Everything's a bad matchup for love.

[Andy Holloway]

I love schultz.

[Jason Moore]

Call me Mr. Schultz.

[Andy Holloway]

Dr. You got.

[Jason Moore]

Schultz is one of your neighbors. And then your other neighbors, Kate Odd.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Don't forget about Brenton Strange.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Britain Strange is all right. Yeah, he's all right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Darren Waller's on a flight back home, fellas. He's in the air. He's coming home to daddy. Come on, I need you. I need you, Waller.

[Jason Moore]

Coming home to daddy. Good luck. Good luck on that one.

[Andy Holloway]

The best part is a long ramp.

[Jason Moore]

If he's back, you've traded for so many tight ends. When he comes back, you have to now choose between them. You know you can't make that choice correctly.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not joking. I was looking. I'm.

[Jason Moore]

Are you going to cut some of.

[Andy Holloway]

Them to make it easy? I will have to. But I was looking at my. My situation. You have Gadston, I have Gadsden, who I traded for.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Looks like he. He could be a potential. I still think he's got the potential upside. League winning talent. I have Mark Andrews, who obviously stunk this last week, but this last week, my start of the week was Hunter Henry because it was Cincinnati.

[Jason Moore]

Great week for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Great week for Andrews. So can I cut Andrews? No, no. Can I cut Gadsden, who I trade for? You can't that guy dude Waller take another week? I keep my roster. Can't take you coming off ir. Don't come back this week, buddy. Stay in that air.

[Mike Wright]

Two tight ends on your bench, two and one in the starting position, but maybe three.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, I can't do that. I will have to Cut these guys. You can't cut that guy.

[Jason Moore]

And then pay attention to the emerging gunner helm in Tennessee. I know it sounds crazy, but it's actually been kind of okay on the target front for him. He was 6 for 51 last week. Cam Ward playing better. Matchup for Cam Ward's good this week. Colby Parkinson taking over at tight end for Los Angeles. We're talking desperate play here. Hit that nasty button for Colby Parkinson and Fannin Barner. They're all in that category. Let's talk defenses. Jacksonville plays Tennessee. Now, I'm in a pickle and I want you guys to talk me through it because I picked up Jacksonville a week ahead because I saw the Tennessee matchup. Tennessee. It's a great matchup. Jacksonville's a good defense. They've double digits.

[Andy Holloway]

Sack the quarterback a lot.

[Jason Moore]

I have Cleveland and I keep seeing these dates on the Cleveland schedule. It's like, oh, we're going to play. What was it? Was it Baltimore? And then I just played them straight through Baltimore. It worked out great. Now they got San Francisco and I'm like, I think I just need to play Cleveland.

[Andy Holloway]

I would play the Cleveland Browns over Jacksonville. That's one of the big differentiators to me. When I'm on waivers last week, whenever I'm on waivers and I'm looking at matchups that are similar and I'm trying to decide between them. If it is remotely similar and one of those teams is home, I'm always going to choose the home defense. It is a way better bet. And they're at home. I mean, Brock, the problem is, I.

[Jason Moore]

Don'T want somebody else to play Jacksonville.

[Andy Holloway]

Roster two defenses, would you?

[Jason Moore]

I mean, that would be the time to block somebody, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it could be. I'm not roster. I'm rostering three tight ends, brother. I can't pick up another.

[Mike Wright]

You can't listen to roster management from this guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. And Britain Strange is out there if you want to pick him up out of fourth.

[Andy Holloway]

Delicious.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Cleveland. I just can.

[Andy Holloway]

I like them together and put them all in one starting spot, because then I'll roster them all.

[Jason Moore]

Nope.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I'll let you start him at running back if you want.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting.

[Jason Moore]

If you want no risk of starting the wrong tight end, you can start them all. Yeah. So I. Look, you stay in the Flames. Miles Garrett needs five sacks in six games to break the record. Seems like he's going to do that.

[Andy Holloway]

You've also got the 49ers on the other side of the ball against Cleveland and Shador Sanders, I think both of those defenses are very, very good play.

[Jason Moore]

That could be a low scoring game.

[Mike Wright]

And 49ers, they play on the road against Cleveland. Then they have the unfortunately timed bye week, week 14, but then they, then they play Tennessee after that. So the 49ers, I had brought them up like two weeks ago with the, with that stretch run and I still believe in it.

[Jason Moore]

What, how do you feel about the league's best defense? Numbers wise? Houston. They have to play Kansas City and. Or Indianapolis, then Kansas City, both on the road. That feels like another one where people are benefiting from playing Houston week after week after week. And then you get these matchups and it's like, do I play the matchup game or do I play the better defense? Because it's like Cleveland.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the.

[Andy Holloway]

Their defense is so, so, so good. I mean they just played Buffalo. You don't want, you don't want to play them against Buffalo. And they put 16 points up and I don't think they had a defensive touchdown. I can't imagine going away from the Texans.

[Jason Moore]

So Cleveland, Houston, you're sticking with them. The Rams play Carolina this week. You just saw Carolina last night. The Rams defense is awesome. So that's a good one. 59% rostered. Who are the Falcons? We don't know but they play the Jets. That's generally been really good. And they have the third most sacks in the National Football League. Troy Taylor probably makes some mistakes in this game. Probably have a fumble.

[Mike Wright]

Would you go Chargers? Oh, I love the Chargers versus the Raiders over the Falcons.

[Jason Moore]

Chargers off the by.

[Andy Holloway]

Chargers over the Falcons off the by. Against Geno Smith, throwing interceptions like crazy. Greg Olson's not going to fix that. Maybe a banged up Genti. The Chargers I picked up last week for this week, I think they're one of the best.

[Mike Wright]

Chargers I think are the best widely available play at the DST position this week.

[Jason Moore]

And the Cardinals are.

[Mike Wright]

And the Arizona Cardinals are who I was going to bring up next.

[Jason Moore]

There's maybe no Baker.

[Mike Wright]

J. You if you. Maybe Baker's back. Maybe he's not. I mean if he's not for sure. But even if Baker is playing with that bum arm, I don't. And the way that the Cardinals defense, what they can do, especially with Nolan stepping up for him.

[Andy Holloway]

Do we know if Will Johnson's going to be back yet? If he's, if he's active, I would play the Cardinals defense. Nolan, their first round rookie. Will Johnson, their second round rookie. These two guys have been. They haven't played much this year. Nolan missed the majority of the early part of the season and Will Johnson's missed a lot of games later. But when they've been on the field, they've been outstanding.

[Mike Wright]

I don't see anything on Will Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he did not play last week. That was this week's waiver wire presented by Jimmy John's. Jimmy John's new toasted pizza sandwich is available in two flavors. Three cheese pizza sandwich and Sicilian pizza sandwich. Oh, that's good. At participating locations for a limited time while supplies last.

[Andy Holloway]

Full stream ahead.

[Jason Moore]

Let's let Mike kick this one off because I was first and it's it.

[Mike Wright]

Jacoby beef brisket percent will be the stream of the week until you people pick him up and play him.

[Andy Holloway]

Can't believe he's still on waivers as much as he is.

[Mike Wright]

He is. It's wild. Thank you. Since Week 6, Quarterback 3 in fantasy points per game and total fantasy points.

[Jason Moore]

And that includes a quarterback three is still out there. What's the roster percentage? Do you have it?

[Mike Wright]

I'll pull it up real quick. I had looked at it yesterday when I was putting in and I was. I just, I was shocked that people aren't picking up Jacoby. We're at 51% on sleeper half of.

[Andy Holloway]

Leagues still just sitting out there.

[Mike Wright]

I mean maybe that you're saying, oh my competitive league, he's not there. But half of leagues, man, he's. You could just pick him up and play him and it's going to be. And who cares who's. As long as Trey McBride is active, I don't care what wide receivers are out there. Jacoby's getting it done.

[Jason Moore]

Michael, you should have Harrison back. And Jerry Rice is on the other side.

[Andy Holloway]

I think. Yeah, I was going to say Marvin Harrison is. I know he's been a little bit disappointing so far in an early career. He's going to be great. He is a fantastic wide receiver. He's a fantastic wide receiver too. And now he gets to play that role.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Now this superstar Michael Wilson just needed an opportunity. Goodness gracious. How could he be that good in these last two weeks?

[Mike Wright]

Because he has been hidden by Kyler Murray for years apparently. And then Mar. Then they took Marv. And so the scheme is going to be Marvin, Trey McBride. Ed Wilson finally got an opportunity.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a. Here's a fun stat. Most receptions in a two game span this season. Jamar Chase has had 28 in a two game span, which is ridiculous. Second most Jamar Chase with 26 in a two game span, third most. Michael Wilson with 25 in a two game span. Marvin Harrison, juniors most ever in a two game span. 11 ever. I mean young career that was underdog. NFL on X found that honestly it.

[Jason Moore]

Feels the way Jacoby's playing. I mean these last two weeks, what is he the quarterback? 3 and 6 and it was without Harrison. Like if you have Harrison, Wilson and McBride, that feels tough to stop. Like Dorch has had good weeks for two straight weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Dorch, what a dorch. Jason, I've got Trevor Lawrence since the buy, he's actually the quarterback seven the last four weeks. Three out of the four weeks he's been a top 12 quarterback. He's quietly having five plus rushing attempts in each one of his games. And he faces the Titans team. We talked about them. I like that their office is getting it together a little bit for the Titans. But their defense is not Good enough. They're 24th against fantasy quarterbacks over the last five weeks. So t law, you could play off of waivers and just.

[Jason Moore]

Man, I hate that dude.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't watch him. Don't watch him.

[Jason Moore]

He's on pace for like his last four games. 25 plus interceptions, the Jameis Winston plan.

[Andy Holloway]

He is the most inconsistent quarterback in the National Football League because on a play to play basis, that's what I mean. Not on a week to week basis. On a play to play basis, you watch him. And he was like, oh, I get it. Superstar mobile runs out. Rocket arm, unbelievable talent.

[Jason Moore]

There's some comparisons with Caleb and then it's just like now Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence, frenetic.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but if Caleb Williams is like this in year, this is year five. This is not like, oh, he's a young guy. I mean he's young by age.

[Jason Moore]

You're right. You should expect it from Caleb. You shouldn't expect it from Trevor Lawrence.

[Andy Holloway]

After the page, he started 71 games. You gotta, you gotta be consistent.

[Jason Moore]

You are what you are at that point.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you. We know who Trevor Lawrence is.

[Jason Moore]

And to Caleb's credit, he's only thrown four picks on the season. Trevor Lawrence throws four and a quarter. They still won three picks last week. Still beat Arizona. We suck. All right, my stream of the week has about five maybes. Give me some underpants. You want one, two or three maximum?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Max. Unobtainium underpants.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.

[Mike Wright]

I get it.

[Jason Moore]

Cam. Ord I get it. Maybe Cam. Or this week, Jacksonville, they give up a ton of points to the quarterback position and you're coming off the best game of the year. For Cam Ord, where he actually finished in the top five of the position. Maybe against Jacksonville, 28th against fantasy quarterbacks. It was Seattle that he did it against. I mean, that. That is very unexpected.

[Andy Holloway]

He was very good last week.

[Jason Moore]

It's a thin group of streaming options this week and so, man, tough.

[Andy Holloway]

He hasn't finished inside the top 16 until last week. Until last week.

[Mike Wright]

We put the call out, you know, like, wait, who actually played Cam Ward this week? Because we got. Oh yeah, we had the good puns. I feel like every single one I.

[Jason Moore]

Read was two quarterback league.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was in my dynasty league. I pulled him. I had to pull him off my.

[Andy Holloway]

Taxi squad, put him in.

[Mike Wright]

It's like, no, everyone was forced into playing Cam Ward last week. If you played him and it worked out.

[Jason Moore]

I have one quarterback related. Jacoby question. I just saw over on X. John wrote in and said, I think I might pick up Jacoby and start him over Caleb and start him over Burrow this week with playoffs on the line for your team. I mean, I would definitely play him over Caleb.

[Mike Wright]

The, the process says that that is a thing to do.

[Jason Moore]

This ANSWERS why there's 51% Boston. That's exactly.

[Mike Wright]

I'm saying over Burrow.

[Jason Moore]

Like, yeah, Burrow doesn't have Higgins and Baltimore's defense has been good. And.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. It makes sense.

[Jason Moore]

How do you argue with quarterback three since he started?

[Andy Holloway]

You argue it by saying he's Jacoby. Jacoby Berset. We know who you know, we talk about. Okay, Trevor Lawrence, five years. We know who he is at this point. Maybe you don't because how many years has Jacoby Brissette played? I'm going to count him.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the last time he got to start games consistently, he had his Joe Flacco and Cleveland year. He was Cleveland started.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He was drafted in 2016. He's played 10 years.

[Jason Moore]

He is playing out of his mind right now. I mean, he is 67% completion percentage. I mean, quarterback rating of 97.

[Mike Wright]

Well, because he has the. There is nothing for him to lose. Like, what are you looking over your shoulder at? Who else is going to come in?

[Jason Moore]

Well, if you look over your shoulder, you can't even see the guy behind him.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

He is tall.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly. But I mean, that has to. The psychology of that has to have matters.

[Andy Holloway]

I have my dad over for dinner last night and this was the funniest thing because he likes the Cardinals, but he doesn't follow it very close. He's like, I can't even name players anymore. And he was just talking about he got to watch this last week and he says the most.

[Jason Moore]

I can't wait to hear this.

[Andy Holloway]

He goes, they showed that quarterback on the, on the, on the sideline. And I, I don't know if it's okay if I say this, but I was like, finally. That's a man. I was like, yeah, no, I get it. Not a little baby boy Kyler. He's like, hey, our quarterback's a man now.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Oh, my goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. And he plays like a man.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he stands in the pocket. He could take a hit.

[Mike Wright]

Goodness.

[Jason Moore]

All right, nobody wants to hear about that anymore. Tomorrow, the Megalodon episode. Make sure you're ready for it. It should, it should give you enough content to prepare you for week 13, everything you're doing through the entire four day week weekend. And we get a lot of football in these four days, so it should be a lot of fun.

[Andy Holloway]

Black Friday.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, we get it all.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that'll do it. For today's episode, check out jointhefoot.com for our fantasy football community and we'll catch you on the Megalodon.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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