
The Fantasy Footballers are back with a jam packed episode to get you ready for Week 4! On today’s fantasy football podcast, Andy, Mike, and Jason enter the Panic Room! Find out what level of panic Andy, Mike, and Jason are at for a handful of disappoin
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Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
Burgeoning.
Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
Burgeoning.
Mike Wright
That's grow. I think it means like growing. Like a growing. Expanding.
Andy Holloway
Bursting at the seams.
Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
Burgeoning Mike, which means gurund or present participle. Burgeoning.
Mike Wright
Burgeoning.
Jason Moore
Begin to grow there.
Mike Wright
Begin to grow. There we go.
Jason Moore
You got. We nailed it, man.
Mike Wright
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Jason Moore
You'Re listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Foreign.
Andy Holloway
Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Mike Wright
Oh, welcome in.
Jason Moore
It's virgin time.
Mike Wright
Virgin in time.
Jason Moore
Virgin. Virgin.
Mike Wright
Had you never heard that word before, Mike?
Jason Moore
I had. I don't know, it just, it caught me off guard.
Mike Wright
I mean, I would say it's a collegiate word, but you're really the only one with the degree around here.
Jason Moore
Yeah, never forget that.
Mike Wright
I guess Jason has one too. I'm the only one without a degree around here. Like I said, it's a high school. It's a high school word.
Jason Moore
Jay, you got a degree?
Mike Wright
Yeah. Jason has a degree, doesn't he?
Jason Moore
We have to wait till he can actually hear us and then he'll be.
Andy Holloway
Able to respond because what am I responding to?
Jason Moore
Did you get your college degree? Did you finish?
Andy Holloway
I did, I did. Not the first time, but I went back. Oh, that's right.
Jason Moore
That's right, that's right.
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Mike Wright
Al, do you have a degree?
Jason Moore
We're very sophisticated.
Mike Wright
Al, do you have a degree? I do not, Mr. Brooks.
Andy Holloway
Nope. Oh, I am the most sophisticated here.
Mike Wright
No, Mike has one. Mike has a degree.
Jason Moore
But we did not vet our employees. We didn't put the must have college degree.
Mike Wright
Just imagine how good it could have been if we had set that glass.
Jason Moore
Way better people here.
Mike Wright
Glass ceiling. I've got the one year program.
Jason Moore
What's what?
Mike Wright
Oh, the one year program.
Jason Moore
Sounds like a certificate. Yeah.
Mike Wright
999.99. Hey, look, here I am. Got the job done. That's true. That's true.
Jason Moore
Lessons learned.
Mike Wright
Welcome to this burgeoning podcast. We've got a great show today. We have Some news we got to catch you up on big time news. We knew that we might be facing some Covid tumult this this season and we are. We've got Buy Sell on the show today as well, the Thursday night preview and we're stepping panic room. We're going to bring up some players that, that people are panicked about three weeks into the season. And so let's. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. You can find us on twitter@the ff ballers jointhefoot.com is the community and the fantasy footballers.com for the rankings, the start sit tool, the player profiles. Making some big time upgrades to the player profiles here in the next couple of weeks. We're going to get some video clips in when we talk about certain players so you can kind of dig deep when you're making those start sit decisions. Want to do some buy, sell, Mike?
Jason Moore
Oh, yes, please.
Mike Wright
Let's do it.
Andy Holloway
Buy or sell. Presented by Pristine Auction.
Mike Wright
All right, last week, buy or sell. Quick recap. James Connor, a top 15 running back. He finished at RB8. So Mike and Jason nailed it. Nailed it. David Johnson. That says that's supposed to signify you succeeding there.
Jason Moore
Well, we checked with the computer because.
Mike Wright
Somebody succeeded on all of these, so.
Jason Moore
Well, then you could hit your own button.
Mike Wright
Yeah, you can hit it for me. David Johnson, 10 fantasy points at Pittsburgh. I nailed it. Yeah, that's right. Adam Thielen, a top 10 wide receiver against Tennessee. Mike and I, we both sold it. I feel like Jason bought it and he was.
Jason Moore
He just.
Andy Holloway
Jefferson. I was Jefferson away.
Mike Wright
It wasn't a top 10 wide receiver, right?
Jason Moore
Who, Adam Thielen?
Mike Wright
Yeah. Oh, we sold it. Yeah. As a top 10. Yeah.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
I would push the correct button, but that seems wrong.
Mike Wright
I think you should just do it because we were both correct. You got it. All right. Week four, Buy, Sell. You guys ready?
Jason Moore
Yep.
Mike Wright
Nobody was perfect last week, by the way. So we got to shoot for perfection this week. Amari Cooper, 15 fantasy points against Cleveland. Now that seems like a high bar to bet on.
Andy Holloway
It sure does, considering so far he has not hit that on the season.
Mike Wright
Sell.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I'm going to sell as well. He has been. So, you know, we make fun of Amari Cooper's consistency. How's this for consistency? 13.1 points. Week one, 13.0 points. Week two, 13.1 points. Week three, he's doing it.
Jason Moore
It's just not in the top 10 like people had hoped.
Mike Wright
If that's the floor, though, I'll take that floor. And then give me that huge game. Where has he gotten into the end zone this year with those scores?
Andy Holloway
I don't remember off the top of my head.
Mike Wright
You should check it.
Jason Moore
I'll vet it.
Mike Wright
I'm going to sell Mike. Are you.
Jason Moore
It's, it's tough to, it's tough to sell that. Like he's just under it every, you know, every three weeks. No, he is. He has not scored.
Mike Wright
So you could bet on a score.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I think that I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy that. Amari Cooper breaks through. He has a, a decent game, a better than a wide receiver, 24 finish. He. It's tough, it's tough for, I guess for Amari Cooper just because of the way that this offense is running and clicking and firing on all cylinders and that it's just interchangeable pieces, you know. And now we have the introduction of Cedric Wilson over here who's now just another puzzle piece who. He could go off any single week, but I will buy it just to be different, give some Amari Cooper support.
Mike Wright
I don't know what people did with Cedric Wilson in the waiver pickup area, but with CD Lamb getting hurt, Wilson taking advantage, I think it's a one week wonder situation.
Jason Moore
It certainly could be. I mean we had this last year with Devin Smith. Yeah, we had the smith week.
Mike Wright
Yeah. Devonte Parker as a top 20 wide receiver against Seattle.
Jason Moore
This is a buy.
Mike Wright
It's a buy for me too. Seattle's defense has allowed 430 passing yards per game.
Andy Holloway
Bye. Bye. Bye. I mean, we're going to talk about him a lot tomorrow. I mean, devonte Parker is someone that, you know. I have devontae Parker in several leagues. I haven't been able to start him yet and I can't wait to plug him in my lineup.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I mean he was. He's had some tough matchups and still been. He still looks like the Devonte Parker of last year to me. Darrell Henderson, Junior. 120. He's a junior now as of today.
Jason Moore
Okay.
Mike Wright
Yeah. 120 total yards against the Giants this week. In week two, he had 121 total yards. In week three, 120 total yards. Very nice line here, Brooks. 120 total yards against the Giants.
Jason Moore
That's a lot of yards.
Andy Holloway
It is a lot of yards. I think Darrell Henderson is going to have a very good game. I buy Darrell Henderson, but I'm going to sell the 120 total yards. It's just, that's, that's a lot. And so far, he's only gone over it by one yard. So let me, let me see if.
Mike Wright
I can change your mind for you. Sean McVeigh, when asked if Darrell Henderson will start on Sunday based on his performance, the. He threw out the. I think so.
Jason Moore
Oh, that's. Wait, that's it?
Mike Wright
No, no, I think so.
Andy Holloway
Win me over.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I'm going to sell it.
Andy Holloway
Darrell Henderson is going to be great this week. You should start him. But 120 total yards, that's a high bar, I think. You know, it's kind of like I feel like I'm. It's one of those bets where you take the field and you just say, yeah, you know, I like this team, but I'm going to take every other team. It's just more common to have games under 120 yards.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I don't like the both of you have sold it because now I embarked into a corner. I must buy this. I love Darrell Henderson for this week. He's probably showing up in the starts of the week tomorrow.
Mike Wright
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Andy Holloway
News and notes from around the league.
Mike Wright
All right, this is the headline, this is the big news and we need more information. But right now, Sunday's game between the Steelers and the Titans has been postponed. Now, don't, don't hear that. It's not necessarily happening this week. It won't happen Sunday morning at 10am There are multiple options for rescheduling. Monday night is an option that will be based on test results. I assume then if we don't see more results because there was one more Titans player that tested positive. And so the league decided at that point, hey, we need more time. It could be Monday night. It could end up being something where the bye weeks are moved around and you actually have a Steelers Titans buy this week. So if we had no more information, right now you are in a tailspin because at this point you're having to roster a bunch of other players with no more information on whether they play Monday night. Hopefully, mercifully, we'll have Thursday, Friday information on whether it is definitively Monday Night Football or completely moving. And you have, you can make accommodations for your team.
Jason Moore
Yeah, it's some positive news. So far, so good for the Minnesota Vikings. That was the team that played the Titans where we had to, you know, you had to have the concern that it spread into multiple locker rooms. So so far so good for the Vikings, I don't think we're all in the clear yet. We need a couple more days of. No positive tests, but the fact that another player.
Andy Holloway
Oh, breaking news.
Mike Wright
Oh, all right.
Jason Moore
Oh, boy.
Mike Wright
Sorry, Mike. Oh, brother. Oh, brother. We have breaking news. Literally tweeted just now, Ian Rampaport is saying that the game will now be played either Monday or Tuesday. What? Rather than Sunday.
Andy Holloway
And I assume that that Tuesday would count as a week four gamestone.
Jason Moore
Yeah, it would have to.
Mike Wright
Yes. Although that will be wild.
Jason Moore
Welcome to 2020 Tuesday Night Football. Oh, man.
Andy Holloway
Okay. We get a new football time.
Jason Moore
Yeah. A day that has never, never been proclaimed as its football time. Tuesday. Touchdown Tuesday.
Mike Wright
But this makes it even. I know Ian Rampaport is reporting it will either be played Monday or Tuesday, but if. If tests don't lend itself to Monday or Tuesday, it won't be played this week. So you are still in that boat, but you don't have a pivot now. Like, if it was Monday, we could be giving the advice that, well, grab some of the players from the Monday night game if you want to hedge against it or something like that. Now, you are just. You might need to plan away from Steelers and Titans at this point.
Jason Moore
You probably do, but give it.
Mike Wright
Give it the next couple of days.
Andy Holloway
Some of these players are much more difficult to replace. You know, if you've got Derek Henry, it's really difficult to plug someone else in your lineup. Whereas if you've got Ben Roethlisberger, if you've got Ryan Tannehill, you know, you just go ahead and you stream a different quarterback and that's, you know, that's easy enough to do. But, man, I don't. I'm happy that I'm not currently a manager of Derek Henry on any of my rosters.
Mike Wright
Okay. Chris Godwin had his MRI confirmed a mild hamstring pull out for week four, possibly week five. I would count on him out both weeks.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
Week five, they are the Thursday night game. So it's a, you know, the shorter week.
Mike Wright
Then he gets 10 days if he skips it.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Jason Moore
So anticipate Godwin out for two weeks.
Mike Wright
Deontay Johnson's in the concussion protocol now. He is a part of that game. So this extra day or two could actually make him active. Dallas Goddard, Jalen Rager, both placed on short term ir. We knew that both players were going to be out for quite some time. Henry Ruggs, a long shot this week. Brian Edwards is already out. Hunter Renfro is. I mean, he's going to be heavily.
Jason Moore
Targeted yes he is, Darren. I am the walrus. Goo goo. Good. Should have quite a bounce back week here after being shut down by the Patriots. But yes, the not obvious pick would be. Hunter Renfro. Is very interesting.
Mike Wright
Now you want to get in on some Nelson Aguilar. Jason, is that on your list of replacements for Corey Davis this week?
Andy Holloway
No, I mean I think I would rather just get really sick and barf a lot than have to rely on Nelson Aguilar. But you know you can, you can choose your path for yourself.
Mike Wright
It's barf now, barf later. Yeah. Lev Bell targeting a week five return. It's interesting. I thought about making some trades for Lev Bell. Now let me make the case. I mean, okay, people are very embittered with the start to the season. They invested. No, it wasn't a first or second round pick on Lev Bell. But you still thought he'd be one of your starters. He's coming back here in a couple of weeks so you could get ahead of acquiring him and Adam Gaze could be gone and a new head coach.
Jason Moore
Good points.
Mike Wright
A new head coach coming in. Let me give you a little tip here. Left bell, greater sign Frank Gore. Left bell, greater sign Caleb Belage.
Jason Moore
This is known to everyone except for Adam Gates.
Mike Wright
That's my point. So if right now you, let's say the Left Bell Manager is 0 and 3 and needs help now.
Jason Moore
Sure.
Mike Wright
You could target Love Bell on the cheapski. Just a thought.
Jason Moore
Yeah, no, it's possible.
Andy Holloway
You know, you had me at Adam Gase could be gone. That's really where. Because the truth is leading up to the season I was, you know, early in the off season we were kind of talking about, look, the volume is just going to be there. If he touches the ball, you know, 250 to 300 times over a 16 game season. Yeah, he's, he might be not the Love Bell of old, but he will be decent for fantasy. And then as we approached closer to the season we realized, look, Frank Gore is going to be a thing. Adam Gase is going to be a thing. And yeah, I think maybe we get back to the volume play we hoped for in Love Bell. He, he hasn't looked spry. So I don't, I don't, I don't think he's going to be a star but I think he could be a really solid running back.
Mike Wright
Definitely didn't look spry once the, once the hamstring went. Yeah, okay. And then I think that's all we have for news right now. We will, we'll Break in if Al Borland finds any more Covid related news. I do want to remind everybody out there as we move into the panic room segment about our DFS pass. Now these guys have been smashing it each and every week. We've got the DFS podcast. If you play DFS, check out dfspass.com weekly cash picks, GPP picks. We've got DFS alerts in there, the lineup optimizer. And you need to check it out because what we tried to do is we tried to bring you a DFS for the rest of us product. This is not that giant monthly fee to get access to, you know, something that you have to spend a fortune on. This is a one time fee and if you bought the udk, you actually get it at a discount. You can upgrade on our website thefantasyfootballers.com so check out the DFS pass@dfspass.com and you will not regret it.
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Mike Wright
I'm laughing because if you're on the YouTube. Look, we made a decision today. Jason is remoting into the show and so on the YouTube we've had him in the corner of the show and some feedback came in. They said they want him in his spot. They feel more comfortable with Jason's video in his actual spot on the show. And so we've got him like in his spot. But then we went to this, the slider cam which is our panning cam and he's still spot which I don't Know how you wizards back there work that out? I assume he's not moving at all. Okay. They're not. It just surprised me to still see him on the screen. All right, it's panic room time. All right, here's what we're doing. That's loud.
Jason Moore
Well, you got it. Let people know you're panicked.
Mike Wright
Yeah, that's. That's level four panic. Now there's. There are four levels of panic, Mike. I don't know if you knew this. The. The world of panic levels, it's burgeoning. And so we've got level one, not panicked. Level two, somewhat worried. Level three, we're getting freaked out.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Mike Wright
Level four is full. That's full on level four is. That's level four.
Jason Moore
Okay. All right.
Mike Wright
The alarms are going off.
Jason Moore
All right.
Mike Wright
And so we're going to bring up some players, and we'll. We'll determine what level we're at. D.J. moore, Panthers wide receiver. Through three weeks, he's the wide receiver, 29. He finished 49th in week one, 14th in week two, 50th in week three. Only one red zone target on the year. He's not been like, if there's a Julio Jones in training, it's been DJ Moore, in terms of the touchdowns, just doesn't find his way into the end zone. 6. Six touchdowns and 34 career games. We talked about him as a breakout on the basis that, look, these touchdown numbers have to go up with the amount of targets and receptions you're getting. Robbie Anderson right now is the wide receiver 10.
Jason Moore
I think that Robbie Anderson is also the reason why people are so freaked out about DJ Moore.
Mike Wright
Because there's a reason.
Jason Moore
Well, the reason, potentially, I'm saying, not just that there's someone else in this offense, which, like, that's. That's a natural thing. Someone emerges and becomes another top option for the offense, but they are seeing Robbie Anderson's production, who he has scored. And that's the big difference between D.J. moore and Robbie Anderson. Robbie Anderson is ninth in targets, 14th in yards. He just hasn't scored. He has the fifth most air yards.
Mike Wright
You mean D.J. moore, Mike?
Andy Holloway
Yes.
Jason Moore
Did I. Did I say.
Mike Wright
You did say Robbie Anderson.
Jason Moore
I apologize. Yes. This is DJ Moore. Like, the peripherals are there. He is just not scoring touchdowns. Now, you could say I am panicked because now we have quite the history of not scoring DJ Moore not scoring touchdowns. Maybe this is a Julio Jones problem, where DJ Moore is going to always have a bunch of receptions, a bunch of yardage. He just won't put up the touchdowns. That may be, but my level of panic on DJ Moore is nothing more than a 2. He is still heavily involved in some worried. Yeah, yeah, it's fair because I was hoping for more touchdowns. And buying into the positive touchdown regression for DJ Moore. The meanwhile, the schedule for DJ Moore, Arizona, Atlanta and like those are two very strong or two strong matchups here for DJ Moore and the Carolina Panthers. So I am not freaked out, but it's okay to be a little bit worried.
Mike Wright
Through three weeks, I'm closer to level three than I am to level two because I thought DJ Moore would give me a DJ floor Mike. And if he doesn't get into the end zone, finishing as the wide receiver 52 of his first three weeks, it concerns me. It's one of the reasons I wasn't as bullish on Carolina. It wasn't that I didn't think they could do it. It's that I hadn't seen them actually do it. With the new head coach, with Robbie Anderson, with Teddy Bridgewater, it concerns me. I'm. I'm probably a little bit more level three than level two. Jason, where are you on the panic scale?
Andy Holloway
I am a level one. I am not panicked at all. DJ Moore would be someone that I would be targeting on the cheap. Now, I will say this. The hope for the huge breakout. The you're going to have a top six wide receiver, a top 10 wide receiver, just who's dominant. Sure, I'm not confident in that in the slightest. It does not appear that this is going to be a monster breakup. But I'm also not panicked at all. DJ Moore is going to be great for fantasy this season. The targets, like Mike said, they've been there. He is getting the targets. His last game stunk because the Carolina Panthers were winning and they won and they. They weren't throwing the ball that much. I mean, their. Their leader in targets was their running back. This is not going to be the normal game script for the Carolina Panthers. If you're telling me that he's getting more like what we saw the first two games. Nine targets, 13 targets. He's a hyper, talented athlete, a great wide receiver. He'll get his. So I am not worried about D.J. moore at all.
Mike Wright
All right. Odell Beckham Jr. Right now he's the wide receiver, 38 on the season. He. It's looking pretty similar to last year to me with Odell Beckham Jr. Now, panic is relative to expectation. I would say that this is a difficult one. I mean, he was 15th last week, 47 I'm sorry. 47th last week, 15th the week before against Cincinnati. He gets to play Dallas this week. 22 targets. You always have those peripherals with Odell where he's got the, you know, sixth highest target share in football, 28%, fifth highest air yards share. But these have been there for him. I mean, he's been a high target strike guy in Cleveland. It just hasn't equated to very much. 7.9 fantasy points, then 15 the week before, then 3. He's come out and said he knows he's not going to put up prolific numbers in this offense with Nick Chubb and Cream Hunt. So define panic on Odell Beckham and what that means. Because I'm having a hard time.
Jason Moore
Yeah, you have to just accept the tier adjustment for Odell Beckham. I don't think that the talent has changed. I think that he could be a dominant wide receiver if you were in a different situation. But the situation has strongly capped what is going to happen with Odell Beckham. I was a big supporter of Baker Mayfield. It's not looking great, like for Baker to be that number one pick that the Cleveland Browns thought they were getting. He's. I think he'll be fine. But you know, you got to grow more and more concerns as you from last year's performance from Baker. Three games of you're like, okay, he's, he's fine. He's finest starting quarterback this team can win with him. But you're not going to get numbers from Odell Beckham. So it's. Once you have adjusted him down to okay, Odell Beckham is a, a lower end wide receiver too, then I'm not panicked. If you are still hoping that you have a top 10 guy, you should be freaked out full. You should be on DEFCON 4 here because that's, it's, it's not going to happen.
Mike Wright
I think that. Go ahead, Jay.
Andy Holloway
The combination here of the Browns being a good team as far as their defense looks good, their offensive line and running backs are great. They don't want to use Odell Beckham the way that fantasy managers want Odell Beckham used. And you're going to get a lot more, a lot more bad games than good games. And so, yeah, I'm a three here. Mike laid it out well. It's about expectation. But Odell Beckham is not a top 15 wide receiver and won't be while he's a Brown.
Mike Wright
Yeah, I think most games are going to end up being, I mean the difference between last week where he Was outside the top 40. And the week before where he was inside the top 15, was essentially connecting on one deep shot. You're going to have some play action. You're going to have a deep shot or two. If Beckham hits the deep shot, you're going to be happy that week. And if he doesn't, you haven't seen volume in Cleveland to sustain, you know, hope for a top tier wide receiver. So that would put him at 2, 3 range. If you're looking at it in terms of hoping the injury problems fixed Odell Beckham and he would be a top tier guy. And that's. This was a big week, though. Dallas is bleeding points to the wide receiver position. If Beckham can't get it done in week three in Dallas, where Dallas will put up points against Cleveland, that would be. I think it's going to be a good week for Beckham.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I agree. After saying we're super worried and over the course of the season, it's not going to be good for Beckham. It is going to be good this week because Dallas doesn't have any kind of lockdown corner that scares you at all. And they'll be able to score on the Browns defense. So they will need Odell Beckham this week despite the fact that they want to be a run first team.
Mike Wright
Let me put you on the spot here. You have to lock a wide receiver into your roster for the rest of the season. Their name is either Odell Beckham Jr. Or Robbie Anderson. Lock them in.
Jason Moore
Robbie Anderson. Jason, who you putting in?
Mike Wright
Wow.
Andy Holloway
Oh, man.
Mike Wright
That was quite the sound you made with your mouth.
Jason Moore
That was an elephant.
Andy Holloway
It was. I never forget and there's a lot that I want to forget with both of these players. If I had to lock one in rest of season, it would be Robbie Anderson.
Mike Wright
Okay. I would. I would luck. I would go back home.
Jason Moore
Would you?
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Jason Moore
All right.
Mike Wright
But it's close. I'm not saying it's a, you know.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I get that. This. And this is the wild thing about fantasy football. In three weeks in, you got to start making some. Some adjustments, some expectation adjustments. And I like Robbie Anderson's outlook moving forward.
Mike Wright
Hollywood Brown. This is a big time. This is a big one. There's a lot to unpack here. Marquis, Hollywood Brown. It has not been good. Wide receiver, 57 on the season. No fantasy finish in the first three weeks above 25, which was Week 1. 62, 96. That is a. Whatever the opposite of heating up is, he's doing it right now. 25, 6296 cooling off. Nice, Mike. Genius. Genius.
Jason Moore
What's the opposite of hot anyway? Anybody out here? Somebody?
Andy Holloway
Brooks, can you look?
Mike Wright
I'm working it out. Very nice. Look, it's been terrible. Snaps are up from last year. But the more to unpack is that LaMar Jackson is 32nd in the NFL in passing yardage. Lamar Jackson hasn't looked the same. We knew regression was coming because it always. It comes for all whether you're Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson. But I think we thought, hey, the snap count increase. The maturation in the passing game for Lamar would equate to a lot more than Hollywood. I am a full. I mean where you drafted? I guess I'm a level three. I'm a level three. Getting freaked out with Hollywood Brown because he's, we hope more consistency and you've got no consistency.
Jason Moore
Yeah, Jason, where are you at?
Andy Holloway
Yeah, I look, he's a my guy. I love Hollywood Brown and obviously I have hated the first three weeks, you know, but I did not ever view him as someone that was going to be a consistent wide receiver. He's going to have monster games and then go away for some games like most wide receivers do. He's much more in the young Desean Jackson vein than someone that's just a PPR machine. He's got a 24% target share. He's got the seven most deep targets in the league. You look at, you know, week one he was involved. He had over 100 yards by halftime and then they didn't really need him. Week two was disappointing. And then this last week we all watched that game against Kansas City. He connects on that deep ball, touchdown towards the end of the game and all of a sudden he's probably has his best week of the season. So I'm not, you know, I'm a two. I'm not liking. I'm not, not worried at all. I am a little bit worried. My worry is more on Lamar Jackson. I haven't seen anything from Marquis Brown that's made me think he's not the player I hope he is. What's going on is Lamar hasn't looked as crisp. He, like you said, he's. He's 32nd passing yards. He's the 32nd best. And I would hope for.
Mike Wright
I have a correction that. He's 27th, not 32nd, way better. Kyle the Borgogan was super wrong. He's actually 27.
Andy Holloway
We're warming up. So yeah, I'm worried. But I think at the end of the season you're going to have plenty of games that are outside the top 50.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
But then you're going to start him.
Andy Holloway
That's the problem every week. This is the type of player that you, you have to take your lumps with. It depends on how you construct a roster. But I have very commonly had, you know, really reliable my Robert woods and my Julio Jones type players and I supplement them with a Hollywood Brown type where, yeah, I mean, he might disappoint or he might win you a week, but you pretty much have to take the lumps if you want the good, the good games. I mean, I'm not benching Hollywood because he's not great every single game.
Mike Wright
Any games yet?
Jason Moore
Yeah. Unfortunate.
Mike Wright
How about this, Jason, I've got a real novel, incredible question for you. You ready? You have to lock a wide receiver into your roster the rest of the season. Hollywood Brown or Robbie Anderson?
Andy Holloway
I would, I would go Hollywood Brown. That one is easy for me. And maybe it's, maybe it's a little bit of, you know, hoping because of my passion for Hollywood, but I, you know, if you told me rest of season, who scores more total fantasy points. I'll take a bet with you on Hollywood vs Robbie Anderson.
Mike Wright
I'll take a bet with you on Hollywood vs. Odell Beckham Jr. Rest of season based on the fact you answered Robbie on one and Hollywood on the other.
Andy Holloway
Let's go Waterbed.
Mike Wright
More bets with Beckham. Great.
Jason Moore
What are you doing to yourself, man?
Mike Wright
More bets with Beckham. Well, I just think it's. It just seems a little bit wild where we've had a good game from Beckham, we haven't had one from Hollywood and Hollywood was really inconsistent last year. I, I just know as a fantasy manager, you have to have some cojones to lock a player into your lineup that just gave you a two point game and a six point game before that. Are you viewing it as he's a must, must start still?
Jason Moore
I view him the same way Jason does. Yeah. That if you have Hollywood Brown, you're not playing matchups. You aren't saying, well, they've got a great corner here. Maybe I don't play him. Oh, I want to play him here. No, it's you. You have to play him every single week or you're just. You will chase the dragon and you'll be wrong and more often than you'll be right. You just gotta deal with it.
Mike Wright
Okay. I mean, it's tough. Hollywood's really tough because I feel like there isn't evidence yet in his Career of him being worth playing consistently like you, even last year, even though he missed some time, he had three games in all of last year win active where he was a top 12 wide receiver. So I'm trying to figure out what is the foundation for putting him into your lineup.
Andy Holloway
Let me ask you this because I think, you know, we're about to talk about a teammate and it really comes down to what do you believe about Lamar Jackson? Not him as a fantasy asset as a mobile quarterback, but as a passer. Do you think what we've seen through these first three weeks is what we'll have for the season from Lamar Jackson the passer? Or do you think Lamar Jackson will get it together, you know, not be the 27th ranked passing yards guy throwing for, you know, around a 30 touchdown pace? What do you guys think about Lamar Jackson's passing ability in 2020?
Mike Wright
I do not think it comes down to that. I certainly think it's going to be much, much better. But it doesn't come down to that for me because he was outstanding last year and Hollywood was not a consistent play nor a person you could. He hasn't proven to me like I don't, I don't understand why you wouldn't take the prove it to me approach with Hollywood Brown. I'm really not trying to be difficult, but I'm looking at his game log last year, not the games he missed, the games he played. And I see three times in the last eight, nine weeks that you would have wanted to play him. So I think Lamar gets a lot better, but I would rather put somebody in that I know is going to produce.
Andy Holloway
Yeah, the context of that game log is part of why I liked Hollywood. Brown comes on was great, got injured. It was very limited snap counts when they needed him towards the end of that season. Look in the playoffs he was just outstanding. It's kind of a talent plus quarterback situation. And so the, you know, the next player we're talking about, Mark Andrews. What's the panic? Are we panicked about Mark Andrews? Because you look at both of these players, Marquis Brown and Mark Andrews, their week two and week three stunk. Three points in week two for Mark Andrews, three points in week three for Mark Andrews. And I get it. We saw last year great consistency. Mark Andrews has that baseline we don't have with Hollywood. But it's Lamar Jackson's lack of passing in the offense that's really bringing these Ravens receivers down.
Mike Wright
I'm not panic on. I'm a level one on Mark Andrews.
Jason Moore
Yeah, I'm level One for Mark Andrews as well. The opportunity is there. He's getting, he's getting targets in the end zone. We saw it happen.
Mike Wright
He just 4 target share among tight ends right now.
Jason Moore
He didn't come down with the couple shots. So no, I'm not panicked on Mark Andrews. Especially when you factor in like the landscape of tight ends. You got to be in on Mark Andrews.
Andy Holloway
Okay, let me ask you this. Let's say you have, you have no offhand, are you trying to go after Mark Andrews? Are you trying to buy low, package Noah Fant with some other option and get Mark Andrews? Because that's, that's what I would be doing.
Mike Wright
Yes, absolutely agree with it completely. I'll be ripping deals right now because I don't want to lean on the roulette of Denver quarterback situation.
Jason Moore
That's and that's the biggest reason I would be making that. Going with that. Go ahead.
Andy Holloway
Jay Fan was just an example. If you've got, you know, Hawkinson, if you've got Gasicki, if you've got Johnu Smith, if you've got a tight end that looks like they could be something you're not sure would you be trying to package them? To buy low on Mark Andrews is more the question.
Jason Moore
Yeah, those, those other guys, absolutely. Fanta's interesting to me specifically I don't know my confidence in, in Noah Fant the player is absolutely sky high. But the unfortunate circumstance he has found himself in with the quarterbacks, that's why I would make the move now.
Mike Wright
If you're like it's called the Dwayne Haskins effect to Logan Thomas's target share.
Jason Moore
If Drew Locke had never gotten hurt in that week, would I be packaging Noah Fant plus something for Mark Andrews? Probably not.
Mike Wright
I agree with you.
Jason Moore
I would be keeping my depth piece with Cortland Sutton out. Noah Fant with consistent quarterback playing opportunity, no offense will be great. And I still think that Noah Fant is, he's a locked in like top eight, probably even a top five guy. To me that's how I see him. If he had Drew Lock never get hurt. So he's a little bit different to me than when you're comparing Gasicki and Johnson.
Mike Wright
He's the guy. Jason, he's the best example because he's the player you can craft the narrative to acquire Mark Andrews with. All you do is tell somebody. Do you want Noah Fan? He's the number three tight end. So by the way, NFL statement on the Titans Steelers game. I'm going to read this to You. The Steelers Titans game, originally scheduled for Sunday at 1pm Eastern, will be rescheduled to allow additional time for further testing and to ensure the health and safety of the players. Details on the new game date and time on either Monday or Tuesday will be announced as soon as possible. So we should have. We should have an opportunity very soon to know when that game is locked in, which could really change the equation quite a bit. So I think at this point we should maybe jump into the Thursday night preview and spend as little time there as humanly possible.
Andy Holloway
Thursday night breakdown.
Mike Wright
All right, Mike. Mike. We are contractually required.
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
To speak about this due to it being considered a quote unquote, NFL game.
Jason Moore
Alleged.
Mike Wright
Allegedly. We have. You know what? I'm going to change my tune on this. I'm going to change it right now. You want to know why I like it? Here's what I'm going to change.
Jason Moore
My positivity. Give it to me.
Mike Wright
We would have climbed a mountain to watch this game five months ago.
Jason Moore
You're darn right we would have.
Mike Wright
Because we didn't think we'd have football. But we've got football. And this is called football. It's Thursday Night Football. Are you going to say football time tomorrow, Mike?
Jason Moore
Yeah.
Mike Wright
See? See? Let's go. Let's go. Okay.
Andy Holloway
It's football.
Jason Moore
There might be like a question mark.
Mike Wright
A little bit of a pubescent voice on the. When you say it. All right. The 03 Denver Broncos take on the own three New York Jets. Here's what's on the line. If Adam Gaze loses this game, he could be out on his keister.
Jason Moore
He could be gone.
Mike Wright
And so we get to watch Sam Darnold face Brett Rippin and, well, there you go. Vic Fangio doesn't even know his quarterback's name, so he called him Mark Rippin. You guys remember Mark Rippin? Either of you do?
Jason Moore
Oh, yeah, the name's familiar.
Andy Holloway
Yeah.
Mike Wright
I mean, Washington Redskins. If you grew up watching football, quarterback for the Redskins.
Andy Holloway
Oh.
Mike Wright
So he was actually. He was great. He was a good quarterback.
Jason Moore
All right.
Mike Wright
But this is his son. And Vic thought it might be his father when he called him Mark. But here we are, fantasy wise. That is what we do. We talk about fantasy options for this game. You are looking at.
Jason Moore
All right, Great news. The quarterbacks are out.
Mike Wright
The quarterbacks are out. Get him out of there.
Jason Moore
Yep.
Mike Wright
Melvin Gordon. I actually think I'm quite content. Happy to play Melvin Gordon. He will bounce back in this game because it's the Jets. Frank gore, he's averaging 18 rushes a game. He must be a start, right? Jason? Jason?
Andy Holloway
Nope. No, I'm not starting Frank Gore.
Mike Wright
No, I'm not either.
Andy Holloway
You've got the 30th in points per drive versus the 32nd in points per drive. You know, outside of Melvin Gordon, you know, I might start Jerry Judy if in a, in a pinch, in a desperate situation and no offhand. And then whoever the PPR wide receiver is, whether it's Crowder if he's in or Barrios if he's out. Yeah.
Jason Moore
So where are you, Andy, on Braxton Barrios? Let's say, let's go through the exercise. Jameson Crowder ruled out.
Mike Wright
Yeah.
Andy Holloway
You.
Jason Moore
I mean, it still is Sam Darnold. So it's, you know, it's.
Mike Wright
At least there is.
Jason Moore
It's their starting quarterback, the Denver Broncos, currently 28th against fantasy wide receivers. There's an opportunity here. Would you go Braxton Barrios or Hunter Renfro?
Mike Wright
Renfro. Case closed.
Jason Moore
That was too easy.
Mike Wright
It was too easy. Here Barrios is setting up, unfortunately, like a trap.
Jason Moore
Barrios or Sammy Watkins?
Mike Wright
Watkins. I just chose Watkins in a start sit on this show.
Jason Moore
I thought it would be closer.
Mike Wright
That was smart. No, here's the problem. It's Braxton Barrios and the last two weeks, his fantasy production, while respectable. 16th, 24th. You should, you should start him, right? I mean, he scored both weeks. If he doesn't score, you're going to sit there with a five or six point week with Braxton burials. And you have. It just seems like it's a desperation PPR dart throw. Despite the past two weeks, I've turned the corner on Barrios chasing points.
Andy Holloway
You know what I mean? When you're going based off the past and saying, I, oh man, I don't want to miss out on his touchdown last week, well, guess what? You did. So move on.
Mike Wright
I would rather chase points here.
Jason Moore
Which.
Mike Wright
I've never said before. All right.
Jason Moore
I also have another very difficult question. Who wins this game?
Mike Wright
I think it's probably the jets, unfortunately.
Jason Moore
Jason, who wins this game?
Andy Holloway
I believe it will be the Broncos. But the world, the entire world is rooting for the Broncos to win. And this is where Adam Gaze comes through and keeps his job and wins the game. But. But I think the better roster is even with the third string quarterback who is not as good, you know, as Sam Darnold. I think the team and the coaching and everything else is better on the Broncos side.
Mike Wright
Mike.
Jason Moore
I think the jets win.
Mike Wright
A reminder to take your Thursday night players out of the flex or just.
Jason Moore
Out of your lineups altogether or out of your lineup. You could do that.
Mike Wright
Take Melvin Gordon out of your flex, put him in your running back spot because he might be in as a flex. That way you have some room to move. Looks like we'll have a game on Monday or Tuesday as of right now with the Titans game. So that'd be good. Brooks, is there any real key Thursday night players that you've been just dying to hear us break down?
Andy Holloway
Nope.
Mike Wright
All right, let's just, let's do some mailbag.
Andy Holloway
Mailbag.
Mike Wright
All right. If you have a question, go to the website the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline. 302-464-TFF B. We have a voicemail question to kick us off.
Andy Holloway
Hey guys, big fan of the show. Been listening for three years now.
Mike Wright
I had a commissioner question. Two guys in my league who dropped David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell this week. What should I do?
Andy Holloway
We think that's kind of crazy.
Mike Wright
Thanks. So some rage. Rage drops. Some rage quitters.
Andy Holloway
Why would you drop and what did.
Jason Moore
You do that's so bizarre. He's, he's great.
Mike Wright
He's been good.
Jason Moore
I mean he, he hasn't been like outstanding, but he's been passing.
Mike Wright
They started the year. What, Chiefs? Raven. Steelers.
Jason Moore
Yeah. And, and looking at our strength of schedule tool like he is, he's set up for, for some good matchups here.
Mike Wright
I'm just, I don't think the question is more like what do you do as a commissioner, Mike, in a situation where somebody drops an undroppable. What do you do? You just let everybody bid on that player or do you put them back on the roster? I guess it's pretty arbitrary.
Jason Moore
Why I was working through it is like David Johnson, I don't get it. Le'Veon Bell, let's say you have. We don't know the size of this bench. Maybe you don't have an IR slot and you're in your. Like, I don't want to hold on to Le'Veon Bell. I'm just going to drop him to me. You can make the, you can make the case for it. I wouldn't do it. I don't advise anybody to do that. But you can at least make the case. David Johnson does simply doesn't make sense. So the, like. I guess I needed to work through that process first. But. So how do you handle that as a commissioner? You, you don't. I mean, you, you let it happen. You, you have. Hopefully you have Fab. Hopefully you don't have waiver priority. That's just resetting every single week. So the worst team gets to pick up all these players for free. I wouldn't do anything. I mean, I remember we had back quite a few years ago in the league of record, David Wilson, running back for the Giants. He was a first round pick at the time of our draft. I can't remember who his teammate was, but like he broke his leg in the preseason, week three also, David Wilson's the starter. That's the year. Then David Wilson comes out. He fumbles right away because, you know.
Mike Wright
The full fab went out on David.
Jason Moore
Wilson and well, no, he was. Wilson was drafted. Coughlin benches him because, you know, got to be a man. You got to teach him a lesson. Someone in our league dropped David Wilson and it seemed like the stupidest thing that anybody had ever done. And we all. There was a hullabaloo about it. Someone dropped the full hundred here on David Wilson and it was completely the incorrect decision. David Wilson never did anything that entire season or his career. So I'm just letting this play out.
Mike Wright
If it was done though by a manager that's giving up because that, that, that could happen. That happens in leagues. Somebody is furious. They're upset. They don't like the league. They dump all the players at that point. You got to put them back on the roster and bring in a new.
Jason Moore
If it's a full roster dump, then yeah, you, you have to put them in, put the players back. You have to lock that team and you have to unfortunately remove that person, which is easier said than done because it might be your friend.
Mike Wright
One more question from John in Arizona. Should I trade James Robinson for Joe Mixon right now?
Jason Moore
Oh, man, that, that is a tough question because James Robinson has been so good. So we have the details. This is an eight person league. I. So in an eight team league, I think I would make the move. I would make the move. Grab Joe Mixon. Hope you can weather out the storm. This is exactly what happened to Joe Mixon last year. He was terrible to start the year. Joe Burrow looks like a legitimate franchise quarterback. I know Jason was showering him with praise earlier, maybe a couple weeks ago, but I'm with him. Joe Burrow looks fantastic. The attempts are there for Joe Mixon. The running back share is there. I think the touchdowns will end up. They will end up coming for Joe Mixon. So I'm willing to take this chance because I think that the ceiling should Joe Mix and hit it is higher. Than what James Robinson can sustain with Jacksonville.
Mike Wright
It's zero touchdowns for mixing on the year so far, three for James Robinson across three games. That is the majority difference. I would do the deal. I would rather have Joe makes the rest of season.
Jason Moore
It's tough, though. That'll be a tough trade to actually hit the accept button.
Mike Wright
Yeah, those are the toughest ones. When you have a player that's playing really well and a player that isn't and you're making a gamble, you're betting. All right, later today we've got the Foot Cast, the bonus weekly episode of the show. You can get access to that@jointhefoot.com Tomorrow we've got matchups. We've got starts of the week, taking it to 100 players. It's going to be a great episode tomorrow. Make sure you tune in. Subscribe. We'll talk to you then.
Jason Moore
Goodbye.
Andy Holloway
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Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Week 4 Buy or Sell + PANIC ROOM Players
Release Date: September 30, 2020
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
In this insightful episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, the expert trio navigates through essential strategies for Week 4 of the fantasy football season. The discussion is segmented into key areas: a recap and recommendations for buy or sell decisions, pivotal news updates affecting the NFL season, an exploration of panic-inducing players, a preview of Thursday Night Football, and audience-driven mailbag questions. Here's a detailed breakdown of the episode's highlights:
The hosts begin by reviewing last week’s buy or sell decisions, highlighting their success in identifying overperforming and underperforming players.
James Connor: Originally a top 15 running back, he outperformed expectations by finishing as RB8. Mike Wright commends their accurate prediction:
“James Connor, a top 15 running back. He finished at RB8. So Mike and Jason nailed it.” ([04:05])
Adam Thielen: A top 10 wide receiver facing Tennessee, both Mike and Andy decided to sell him based on matchup concerns.
The hosts present their buy or sell picks for Week 4, analyzing player performances and upcoming matchups.
Sell: Amari Cooper ([05:01] – [05:55]) Amari Cooper is slated to face Cleveland with a challenging target of 15 fantasy points. Despite his consistent yardage (13.1 points average over three weeks), Mike and Andy choose to sell him due to his limited touchdown opportunities.
“If that's the floor, though, I'll take that floor. And then give me that huge game.” – Mike Wright ([05:07])
Buy: Devonte Parker ([06:54] – [07:48]) Both Jason and Mike recommend acquiring Devonte Parker, highlighting Seattle’s defense that allows 430 passing yards per game, presenting a favorable opportunity for Parker.
“Seattle's defense has allowed 430 passing yards per game.” – Mike Wright ([07:01])
The trio covers significant developments impacting the NFL season, most notably the postponement of the Steelers-Titans game due to Covid-19 concerns. They discuss the potential rescheduling to Monday or Tuesday, which poses challenges for fantasy managers in adjusting their lineups.
“The Steelers Titans game, originally scheduled for Sunday at 1pm Eastern, will be rescheduled to allow additional time for further testing…” – Mike Wright ([10:57])
Additional updates include:
The "Panic Room" segment identifies players causing concern early in the season due to underperformance relative to expectations.
DJ Moore ([19:13] – [23:21]) Despite high target volume, DJ Moore has struggled to find the end zone, leading Mike to express higher concern:
“I'm closer to level three than I am to level two because I thought DJ Moore would give me a DJ floor Mike.” – Mike Wright ([22:19])
Odell Beckham Jr. ([23:21] – [27:33]) Beckham's fluctuating fantasy rankings reflect inconsistent performance. While Jason adjusts his expectations, Mike notes Beckham may not reach top-tier wide receiver status.
“If you are still hoping that you have a top 10 guy, you should be freaked out full.” – Jason Moore ([24:25])
Hollywood Brown ([28:12] – [35:00]) Brown's disappointing outputs and lack of consistency prompt the hosts to question his reliability as a fantasy asset. Andy remains optimistic, viewing Brown as a boom-or-bust option akin to Desean Jackson.
With the rescheduling of Thursday Night Football, the hosts analyze the fantasy implications of the Denver Broncos vs. New York Jets game.
Impact on Players: Discussion centers on Melvin Gordon and Braxton Barrios, weighing their potential performances against uncertain defensive matchups.
“Melvin Gordon. I actually think I'm quite content. Happy to play Melvin Gordon. He will bounce back in this game because it's the Jets.” – Mike Wright ([41:54])
Game Outcome Predictions: The hosts debate the likely winner, considering quarterback uncertainties and team dynamics.
“I believe it will be the Broncos. But the world, the entire world is rooting for the Broncos to win.” – Andy Holloway ([41:08])
In the interactive mailbag segment, listeners pose questions regarding league management and trade decisions.
Commissioner Dilemma: Dropping Undroppable Players ([45:42] – [48:28]) A listener questions how to handle league members dropping key players like David Johnson and Le’Veon Bell. The hosts express confusion and suggest letting it unfold unless it's a complete roster dump, advising potential removal of such managers if abuse persists.
“I would just let this play out.” – Jason Moore ([48:28])
Trade Advice: James Robinson for Joe Mixon ([48:28] – [50:14]) A listener seeks advice on trading James Robinson for Joe Mixon. Jason supports the trade, citing Mixon's higher ceiling despite early-season setbacks.
“Joe Burrow looks like a legitimate franchise quarterback… the touchdowns will end up coming for Joe Mixon.” – Jason Moore ([49:57])
The episode wraps up with teasers for upcoming content, including the Foot Cast bonus episode and future player matchups. The hosts encourage listeners to stay connected through their community website and social media channels, ensuring fantasy managers are well-equipped for the evolving Week 4 landscape.
“Tomorrow we've got matchups. We've got starts of the week, taking it to 100 players. It's going to be a great episode tomorrow.” – Mike Wright ([50:08])
This comprehensive summary encapsulates the main discussions and insights from the Fantasy Footballers Podcast episode, providing valuable takeaways for fantasy managers aiming to enhance their strategies for Week 4.