Week 4 Studs & Duds + Jason Goes Full Tilt - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/29

Summary

Fantasy Footballers - Week 4 Studs & Duds + Jason Goes Full Tilt

Podcast Date: September 29, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright

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Overview

This episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is an emotional roller coaster, capturing both the agony and ecstasy of fantasy football. Jason goes “full tilt” following a brutal weekend for his teams, and the trio uses humor, passionate banter, and sharp analysis to break down Week 4’s biggest studs and duds, discuss key injuries, and offer actionable advice for managers. The episode is loaded with advice, catharsis, and memorable pod moments for fantasy enthusiasts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jason’s Full Tilt Meltdown

• Jason opens in rare form, admitting to hating fantasy football after a rough week.
  • “I have a genuine hatred for fantasy football. Like, I don’t like it.” – Jason (02:49)
  • Jason’s cathartic venting includes caffeine-fueled rants and a string of bad puns.

2. Monday Punday & Humor Therapy

• Hosts kick off with NFL player name puns but let the “bad puns” help Jason vent.
  • Puns like “AJ Brown Frown,” “DJ Poor,” “Sham Laporta,” provide some needed laughs for the crew.
  • “This game's so stupid.” – Jason, wrapping up the puns (05:21)

3. League Recap & Team Woes

• Jason and Andy discuss facing each other and the roller coaster that is every fantasy week.
  • Mike edges Andy in their league, despite a “just okay” performance. (06:55)
  • The trio explains just how much emotional investment (and pain) persists, even after a decade of podcasting.

4. News & Notes (07:24–17:18)

- Surprise Inactives & Injury Fallout

• Jaylen Warren’s last-second inactive status due to international scheduling:
  • “If you’re on the West Coast... that’s wildly unacceptable.” – Jason (08:03)
  • Mike sets early alarms to avoid this fate, Andy hopes his opponent (Mike) sleeps through it.
• Devastating injuries:
  • “MetLife took another life. Malik Nabers tore his ACL...rest of season.” – Andy (09:40)
  • Question marks for Lamar Jackson (hamstring) and Ricky Pearsall (knee).
• Baltimore Ravens’ game script & injury:
  • “Combination, it was two TDs plus Kyle… what does that mean? Two TDs?” – Jason (11:51)

- Jason’s Chop League Despair

• Jason on the brink of elimination unless Chase Brown explodes for 25+ points.
• Benching Baker Mayfield and the Eagles D for Daniel Jones and the Packers D backfires (“20 point swing. That’s cool.” – Jason, 14:25).

- Wide Receiver Play Debates

• Cedric Tillman’s hamstring injury and the fallout. Jason defends starting him due to targets; Andy disputes (“Targets don’t matter.” – Andy, 16:43).

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Week 4 Studs: Breakout Performances

(Start: 17:38)

Quarterbacks

• Dak Prescott:
  • “He’s been good this whole season. The touchdowns have come on the ground, but where he’s putting the ball, his decision making…” – Jason (21:35)
  • Dak without CeeDee Lamb "looked amazing."
• Jordan Love (Packers): 31/43, 337 yards, 3 TDs
  • Raves for his ability despite earlier struggles (24:00).
• Patrick Mahomes: Rebounding with Xavier Worthy healthy, back in the elite tier.
  • “We’re just a couple weeks away from him getting his actual number one wide receiver.” – Mike (23:04)

Running Backs

• Ashton Jeanty & Josh Jacobs: Top performers, and hot trade targets earlier in the week.
  • “That window is…oh, it’s completely closed.” – Jason (29:06)
• Woody Marks:
  • Standout for Texans, heavily involved; “He played more snaps than Nick Chubb.” – Jason (34:04)
  • Only 37% rostered on Sleeper (34:25).

Wide Receivers

• Puka Nacua: “If we redrafted today, he'd probably be the number one pick.” – Andy (36:12)
• Romeo Doubs, George Pickens, Amon-Ra St. Brown also highlighted.
• DK Metcalf: Huge TD in the early London game.
• Quentin Johnston: “It is very, very clear this is their best wide receiver.” – Andy (38:02)
  • Discussion of his “Devante Adams”–like slow development path.

Tight Ends

• Tyler Warren: “Love you, dog…so mad at you.” – Jason (41:39)
  • Two goal-line TDs—valuable role.
• Kyle Pitts, Jake Ferguson get “stud” labels for solid yardage.

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Week 4 Duds: Painful Flops

(Start: 44:17)

Quarterbacks

• Geno Smith:
  • “Geno Smith sucks at football. Started him over Dak in three leagues.” – Jason (44:20)
• Justin Herbert: Continues a three-week slump; O-line injuries cited as a major factor.
• Daniel Jones: Pod disputes just how much of the dud was “his” fault vs. fantasy managers ("He pooped in your pants." – Jason, 47:29)

Running Backs

• David Montgomery & Derrick Henry
  • Both come crashing down from earlier highs.
  • Henry “only 39% of snaps—he never went that low last year.” (51:08)
  • “Even for Derrick Henry, that’s not going to get it done.” – Mike (51:16)
• Trey Benson: Usage concerns due to 2-minute drill backs (53:19).
• Nick Chubb: Losing role to Woody Marks; “I’m not dropping Nick Chubb, but I’m going to try and bench him.” – Mike (54:32)

Wide Receivers

• Lad McConkey: One of the year’s biggest early-round disappointments (55:16)
• A.J. Brown:
  • “How do you turn nine targets into seven yards?” – Jason (56:30)
  • AJ’s cryptic postgame quote:
    “If you’re not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene, shrug your shoulders, and be on your way.” – (55:49)
• Brian Thomas, Jr. & Tetairoa McMillan: Disappointingly consistent mediocrity, but hosts recommend buying low (57:23, 58:31).
• Matthew Golden: Strong underlying usage but failing to break out; “I am worried about [him].” – Andy (60:19)
• Jameson Williams: “Had the best game of some of sub–5 fantasy points I’ve ever seen. Like, he was dominant and a complete failure.” – Jason (64:48)

Tight Ends

• Brock Bowers:
  • “His average depth to target has gone from 11 to 9 to 6 to 2.” – Andy (65:00)
  • Injury concerns and role changes due to Jeanty’s emergence.
• Sam LaPorta, T.J. Hockenson, David Njoku: All disappoint, with Njoku declared “unplayable.” Splitting work with promising rookie Harold Fannin Jr.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I want to carve [fantasy football] out of my life like a cancer... but you can’t rip my head off.” – Jason (03:04)
• “This game’s so stupid.” – Jason (05:21)
• “Targets don’t matter.” – Andy (16:43, 56:37)
• “If you’re not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene, shrug your shoulders, and be on your way.” – A.J. Brown (55:49)
• "Geno Smith sucks at football. Started him over Dak in like three leagues." – Jason (44:20)
• "How do you turn nine targets into seven yards?" – Jason (56:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------|:--------------:| | Jason’s Opening Rant | 02:02–04:00 | | Monday Punday & Catharsis | 04:05–06:40 | | News & Notes / Jaylen Warren | 07:24–09:22 | | Injuries (Malik Nabers, Lamar, Pearsall)| 09:40–15:21 | | Jason’s League Despair | 12:09–14:35 | | Cedric Tillman Play Debate | 15:17–16:43 | | Studs: QB/WR/RB rundown | 17:38–39:02 | | Puka Nacua Ascendance | 36:02–36:12 | | Quentin Johnston Discussion | 38:01–39:44 | | Duds: QB/WR/RB/Tight End rundown | 44:17–69:59 | | Lad McConkey and A.J. Brown Disasters | 54:38–56:46 | | Woody Marks Waiver Priority | 71:04–71:13 |

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Actionable Takeaways & Advice

• Monitor injury news closely for surprise inactives, especially with overseas games or early kickoffs. Alarm clocks may save your week!
• Waiver priority: Woody Marks (RB, Texans) is the top add of the week, rostered in just 37% of leagues (34:25, 71:13).
• Trade targets:
  • Buy low on Brian Thomas, Jr. and Tetairoa McMillan if you believe in bouncebacks.
  • Mike and Andy both still prefer Quentin Johnston and would not sell high until further notice.
  • Derrick Henry is a risky hold but not someone Jason would panic-sell; Andy is less convinced.
• Dud management: Bench or cut Nick Chubb and David Njoku where possible, especially in shallow leagues.
• Monitor tight ends: Tyler Warren is ascending while Sam LaPorta and T.J. Hockenson struggle.
• Watch the utilization and snap counts: Especially with players like Matthew Golden and Trey Benson, whose week-to-week potential hinges on real-life game scripts.

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Closing Tone & Final Thoughts

The show stays true to the Fantasy Footballers brand—balanced between insight, laughs, and raw real-guy energy. Jason’s on-air meltdown is both entertaining and a perfect summary of what it means to love (and hate) fantasy football. The crew’s willingness to “tilt” yet provide thoughtful, actionable advice makes this episode a comforting listen for anyone suffering a tough fantasy week.

Transcript

[Jason Moore]

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[Jason Moore]

The Fantasy Footballer studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Mo, Mike Wright. Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why, but it's gonna.

[Jason Moore]

Be a great day.

[Mike Wright]

I'm doing all right. Andy, how are you doing?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm fine. Neutral.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. But about neutral.

[Andy Holloway]

Monday, September 29 Jason hasn't spoken yet. Jason is in a mood.

[Jason Moore]

My friends, I am not happy.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, we're a family friendly show, but we might not be.

[Mike Wright]

This is a real.

[Jason Moore]

This is a. This is a real issue. I was looking through the Monday pundays and I was like, I don't think I'm going to be allowed to talk on today's episode. I am like, you're good, Jeremy. You got that bleep button over there?

[Andy Holloway]

Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I'll do it in post. Jason, let him fly.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, we're 11 years into the show and when a weekend goes bad, it's just as unnerving and upsetting as it was in day one. Jason.

[Jason Moore]

So I will say this. I come in today thinking, knowing, feeling that, like, I have a genuine.

[Andy Holloway]

You want me to read your quote?

[Jason Moore]

Hatred for fantasy football. Like, I don't like it. It's.

[Andy Holloway]

I decided I'm not going to speak on today's show due to hating fantasy football. Thank you for your consideration. No more questions at this time. 8:10, 8:10. This morning, public statement from Jason's team.

[Jason Moore]

I will admit this, though. The. The feelings I have inside myself, which are incalculable. Prove that I love this game. Like it. Like, I have such a strong passion and care so much that I want to carve it out of my life like a cancer. I just want to be like, get rid of this stupid game, but you can't rip my head off.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason was in a bad place. And then right before the show started, he chugged about 200 milligrams of caffeine and threw the can across the room.

[Jason Moore]

Into the garbage can. Swish.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, he is. We've made an agreement, banked it in. But with Jason, Monday punday includes the good and the bad. Yeah, we are. Mike and I'll handle the good today.

[Jason Moore]

Jason's gonna handle. Don't have that kind of life inside.

[Andy Holloway]

He. He's gonna handle all of the bad puns for today. Mike, let's kick this thing off. Why don't you start it?

[Mike Wright]

It's my guy. Romeo Dubs.

[Andy Holloway]

Romeo Dubs. Oh, marry me, Hampton.

[Mike Wright]

Kenneth Gained.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I like this one. Ashton. Ashton.

[Mike Wright]

Plenty nice. We got Amon Ra Saint. Touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

And Super Nakua.

[Mike Wright]

How about this one? Jason Dak.

[Jason Moore]

Great.

[Mike Wright]

Scott.

[Andy Holloway]

Travis.

[Mike Wright]

He's on your roster. Scott, you have him. He's there for you.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not talking during this section. Travis. ETN Zone.

[Mike Wright]

Boom shakalaka. We've probably done that one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And win. Sean Judkins.

[Jason Moore]

All right, here we go, baby. How about sad McConkie.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You like that?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Sham Laporta. Zach Hurts. Broke Bowers. You turd. Pat Friar Goose. TJ Hawkins.

[Mike Wright]

Sit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would have said a different one. Baseball pooping. You turd. AJ Brown. Frown. AJ Clown. AJ Brown. I hate you. And DJ Poor. Yeah, we're done. This game's so stupid.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's your career.

[Mike Wright]

It's a real conundrum.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

So that was a little cathartic. It was a little cathartic whenever the.

[Andy Holloway]

AJ Brown one in particular seemed to really touch a nerve or two.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, look, he was my trade away candidate, right? I told people last week, trade him. He had a great game.

[Mike Wright]

He looked like that dude.

[Jason Moore]

I tried so hard. The problem is everybody in our league listens to the show where I said I don't believe in him and I got him on a roster.

[Andy Holloway]

That does make it hard. I was. I tried so hard to get Ashton Genti so hard this week.

[Jason Moore]

But you were. And nobody trade for candidate. I tried to trade for Josh Jacobs, who was my trade for candidate.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, you didn't try hard enough. You could have come at me last week and said, I'll give you A.J. brown for D.K. metcalf. And I would have been like, oh, thank God.

[Jason Moore]

Please. I should have done that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And now, hey, you should have gone after Marvin Harrison. Yeah, yeah. I would have made that trade too. But ask me if I'll trade Metcalf for AJ Brown.

[Jason Moore]

No, I'll make.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Well, prove it.

[Andy Holloway]

Just send it.

[Jason Moore]

Send me that offer and I will decline it.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'm the one who wants to.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, no. Just send it and then I'll decline it to know that you won't do that trade.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you for your Monday pundays over on Instagram at Fantasy Footballers X at the FF Ballers.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, we wild weekend because a lot of. A lot of big boy performances this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I had the unfortunate pleasure of facing Mike in our league of record. My team actually had a good week.

[Mike Wright]

And my team was just okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I know you just okay with that roster is boy. Well, it was more than enough to beat me.

[Mike Wright]

Shout out to the Detroit Lions.

[Andy Holloway]

Unless Cortland Sutton and Bo Nicks run into each other on the first play of the game, knocking each other out of the game, you're going to beat me. So let's talk some news. We had big news as well.

[Jason Moore]

News and notes from around the league, presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Andy Holloway]

We started Sunday in Dublin.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

And we ended without a dub at all, in a tie last night. Oh.

[Jason Moore]

How long have you been planning to say that line?

[Andy Holloway]

I was actually.

[Jason Moore]

You didn't come up with that?

[Andy Holloway]

I was just working it through in my head. I'm like that. Maybe I'll get made fun of.

[Jason Moore]

You though.

[Andy Holloway]

Jalen Warren was the surprise unavailable.

[Jason Moore]

Which is fine if you're on the East Coast.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm telling you, that is. That's wildly unacceptable.

[Andy Holloway]

Like for you to get up in.

[Jason Moore]

The morning, you wake up at 7am and you're like, wait, the guy that was trending to be fine. Like, I know there was. There was some question.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you had to at least check.

[Jason Moore]

You had to at least check.

[Mike Wright]

Which I did. I Jaylen Warren in multiple spots. I had my alarm for alarm set for six. It went off. I cursed the sky. I shook my fist. I was like, oh, why am I doing. I'm just going to go back to sleep. I better check Twitter. Get Jaylen Warren out. And I was like, oh, no.

[Andy Holloway]

When I. You see, you were. You were what? You were smart. You were responsible. There was a call up of another running back on Saturday, but they had done.

[Jason Moore]

But they did that last night.

[Andy Holloway]

They had done it the previous week, but we flagged it. And it was like, hey, pay attention here. I was facing Mike. Mike had Jaylen Warren. And I'll be honest, when I woke up, I hope Mike had not woken up. That was all I hoped. I was like. And then I went and looked at your lineup. I was like, drats.

[Jason Moore]

I saw leagues where Jalen Warren was started, and that's one of those where.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, how many did he score?

[Jason Moore]

You can't. He scored nothing. He scored barely less than Caleb Johnson. And the thing is, is, like, you can't blame the manager for that. I mean, if you're on the west coast, like, you thought he was going to be active. He was a great play, clearly. Yeah. I mean, look at what Kenneth Gainwell did. And then these international games are. It's, like, unfair to the West Coast.

[Mike Wright]

It wasn't as bad as the. The Melvin Gordon situation. If people recall this one. This was a few years ago, because there was nothing. Nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

And then he was just.

[Mike Wright]

All of a sudden, it was, oh, Melvin Gordon said, surprise. Inactive.

[Andy Holloway]

So we got really bad news on Sunday morning.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

MetLife took another life.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Malik neighbors tore his ACL in yesterday's win over the Chargers. It really put a damper on what was an amazing debut by Jackson. Dart and good performance by Cam Scatterboo in the third member of the Trinity went down. And now we'll be out for the rest of the season.

[Jason Moore]

Man, that stinks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, there are a number of players where the league's just better when they're available.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We need our superstars, Joe Burrow and Malik Neighbors now. It's a bummer. And you did.

[Jason Moore]

Even without Neighbors, though, you're almost upset. Was it was the Giants.

[Andy Holloway]

It was. Yeah. Yeah. Which some people really, really blamed me for that, like Chargers fans.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I.

[Andy Holloway]

They felt like I had a real hand.

[Jason Moore]

I understand it because they assume that you are creating it and they don't realize that you've forced it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think I'm a witch. No. Yeah. I just saw it.

[Jason Moore]

You just foresaw it.

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't make it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I also didn't foresee a golden touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of people on the Internet have no idea how the world functions.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. They do believe in witchcraft. Lamar Jackson left with a hamstring injury. I mean, they have a week seven. By next week is week five. We'll see how much of an injury versus a not injury. This is. I'm not positive that it's major.

[Mike Wright]

I've heard there's hope that it's minor.

[Andy Holloway]

I think there's a chance that this was also a game that, you know, you kind of.

[Jason Moore]

You were getting.

[Mike Wright]

They were down. They were down two scores when it happened though, if I remember.

[Andy Holloway]

At least more than that.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I swear it was like down 14, man.

[Jason Moore]

I'd be surprised.

[Andy Holloway]

Go ahead and vet that. But I think the game was pretty much. We knew it was in hand.

[Jason Moore]

It was. It was still early enough where there's no way they just chose to like, it wasn't like, hey, maybe that's what it was.

[Mike Wright]

Just enough time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was like the whole second half was left. But they were getting boat raced already. You could tell like the game. They were not going to come back. And so if you pull your hamstring, I think the combination, it was two TDs plus Kyle. Okay, what does that mean? Two TDs?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He didn't give us a real number. He was too quick to answer three scores.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, it was two TDs plus. Right. As you say.

[Andy Holloway]

Be careful with Jason today. Be careful.

[Jason Moore]

Kyle come for you, Kyle.

[Andy Holloway]

He'll cut you like he got you now. Speaking of cut.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about our chop.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess we never really asked how things went for you this week.

[Jason Moore]

It went poorly. It went poorly. Our chop league where stupid producers keep dropping like flies. I'm going to be chopped this week now unless chase Brown scores. 25 fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

It's not impossible.

[Jason Moore]

It's impossible.

[Mike Wright]

It's not impossible.

[Jason Moore]

Joe Burrow's active.

[Mike Wright]

It's not impossible.

[Jason Moore]

Well, if Chase Brown doesn't score, you.

[Mike Wright]

Know, people get struck by lightning.

[Jason Moore]

24. It doesn't seem like impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

Players with the last name Brown aren't really working out for you.

[Jason Moore]

No, they're not. So assuming he does not do that, I will be chopped in our chopped league on sleeper league to worry about. Yeah, but to be fair, that's because.

[Mike Wright]

I played Never going to be champion.

[Jason Moore]

The best defense. It's because I played the best defense in the National Football League against a team without two offensive linemen and no CD Lamb.

[Andy Holloway]

Did they give up 40?

[Jason Moore]

They did give up 40. They did give up 40 points. They gave up 40 points and they didn't even get a win, which they didn't deserve to.

[Andy Holloway]

At least you played Dak.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I didn't play Dak. I had Baker on the bench.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you play, Dobbs?

[Jason Moore]

I was. See, here's what happened. I was worried about Baker. Because he was against this great defense of the Philadelphia Eagles. The Philadelphia Eagles are really, really, really good.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

But Baker's really good. And so going against each other, I didn't know what to do.

[Andy Holloway]

I told you, don't worry about Baker.

[Jason Moore]

Well, I benched Baker and I put in Daniel Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he threw a sick touchdown to Adnai Mitchell.

[Jason Moore]

Like that 80 yard touchdown to Adonai Mitchell. That wasn't a touchdown because he just dropped the ball and was like, I don't want to hold the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Second time that a Colt did it again to me.

[Jason Moore]

Both times to me. They did it again.

[Mike Wright]

They did it again.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know if I want to be on camera. We should have Jason's cam. No matter who's talking.

[Jason Moore]

All of your hype and Baker and my goodness, that dog. Yeah, I love Baker Mayfield. Well, he was going against Eagles, so I'm like, I'm going to play the packers over the Eagles. So I also have the Eagles defense on that bench because I was worried Baker could do something. So I'm just going to, you know, I'm going to play the packers defense over there. The Eagles scored 17 points, packers negative three. So that's 20 point swing. That's cool. Also Romeo Dobbs on that bench. So I deserve, I deserve it. Chop my head off. I hate this game.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we'll stick with just your team.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

Ricky Pearsall exited with the knee injury. That's not great because he was already limited and didn't practice and they play the Rams tnf.

[Mike Wright]

So that's a. Oh, that's a bummer.

[Andy Holloway]

Ricky Pearson. I would be missing this game.

[Jason Moore]

I think he'll play because this, this looks like he's playing through a minor pcl and that was the injury coming into the game. He talked that awesome catch where he tried to.

[Andy Holloway]

He hurt himself again.

[Jason Moore]

No, I know, I know that. That took him out. He banged that knee again. So it's possible on a short week that he doesn't play, but it is one of those injuries you can kind of play through.

[Andy Holloway]

He only played 56% of snaps this week. 4 for 46.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean he played up until that moment.

[Andy Holloway]

He'd be a huge. It's probably going to be a bench for me, brother.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I don't mind benching him at all. I just think he's going to be active on Thursday. But tbd.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that was news and notes.

[Jason Moore]

No, no, you got to bring up Cedric Tillman.

[Andy Holloway]

He left with a hamstring injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He did turd. Okay, go on.

[Mike Wright]

I don't why you got to attack him in. You were.

[Andy Holloway]

You really liked his 2 for 22 and 3 for 26 the previous two weeks. This is on you, brother.

[Jason Moore]

That's not. No, no, no, no, it is not.

[Andy Holloway]

Why are you playing him?

[Jason Moore]

What do you mean? You talking about the guy who got. Hold on. You talk about the guy who got eight targets week one, got seven targets, then played the packers defense before this week was awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

He was not a play. He wasn't. He wasn't a play.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. You're so dumb. You're so dumb.

[Andy Holloway]

He was so not a play.

[Jason Moore]

Hurt. You are an idiot. And let me explain why this play.

[Andy Holloway]

Had 48 yards combined in the last two weeks. So I guess you're right. I mean, the dude was not relevant.

[Jason Moore]

This is a player who just.

[Andy Holloway]

We can blame the hamstring.

[Jason Moore]

How many targets went to Jerry? Judy, I genuinely don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't. The targets don't matter.

[Jason Moore]

The targets. Oh, yeah, we always say that. We say that all the time on this show, guys. We say targets don't matter. Andy is famous for saying, don't pay attention to targets. Targets are irrelevant. He always looks up. At the end of every week, he.

[Andy Holloway]

Looks up, rates 50%.

[Jason Moore]

He looks up the, you know, target volume and he goes, not going to look at that. This means nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, your rankings said to play Dobbs.

[Jason Moore]

Hit the outro. Just play me out, man. I'm about to fight.

[Andy Holloway]

So Cedric Tailman, who some of us played, I guess went out with a hamster.

[Mike Wright]

We did say that. Dobbs is a sneaky play. Sneaky. Good play.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

I hope so.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we get to talk about the good. You can say as much or as little as you want.

[Jason Moore]

There's nothing to say. This week's fantasy stud muffins presented by Lowe's Romeo Dobbs.

[Andy Holloway]

No, look, we thought we were starting. How much of it was the Guardian cap? Why you didn't play him?

[Jason Moore]

Well, I didn't think you got points for having twice the head size of others.

[Mike Wright]

No, that's Savion.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, he's as bigger than.

[Andy Holloway]

They have the same size Guardian cap, but I think Savannah has a bigger helmet. So it's like Bigger. He's got a bigger head.

[Jason Moore]

If Mike. If you were in a guardian.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. You wouldn't be able to stand. No, I was.

[Mike Wright]

Too top heavy.

[Andy Holloway]

Cedric Tillman was The consensus number 51 wide receiver in our rankings.

[Mike Wright]

Jason likes Cedric Tillman. He wanted to play him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right. Are you going to play him next week?

[Jason Moore]

I promise you, if he played 100% of snaps the second half while they were throwing to Jerry Judy. Drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. Over and over and over and over, Cedric Tillman would have been fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Why would they have just targeted him?

[Jason Moore]

They would have not.

[Andy Holloway]

Jerry Judy is three for 33 on nine targets. The catch.

[Jason Moore]

Nine targets.

[Andy Holloway]

The catch. Yes, I know, but that's what I said. The catch rate for both of those guys all year long. These are not good.

[Jason Moore]

It's been.

[Andy Holloway]

These are not good targets.

[Mike Wright]

Anyways, Dak Prescott, very, very good at football.

[Andy Holloway]

Who knows what happened Top five this week, Dak Stafford, Mahomes.

[Mike Wright]

The last.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Love, Josh Allen, Green Bay.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know what's going on of how the NFL is wild of the first two weeks. You looked at the Green Bay packers and you said that team is on their way to the Super Bowl. They might be the best team in the league. They might have the best defense in the league. And then they go and lose to the Cleveland Browns because they can't do anything on offense. And then they go against Dallas, whose defense is horrifically bad. And Dallas lights them up.

[Jason Moore]

This was. This was a wild week. And this is what makes the NFL so fun. All my pain aside, Andy, you brought this up. Middle of the day, like, if you can bring up some of the examples, there was, you know, the.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, Carolina won 40 to nothing against Atlanta last week and they got boat race this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they just completely trounced the Saints.

[Andy Holloway]

Nobody gave them a shot. They played harder than the Bills played and they almost beat the Bills.

[Jason Moore]

They were in that game. They were about to go up on the Bills late in the game on a Philly special that changed the game, turned it around a lot when Olave threw an interception.

[Andy Holloway]

And you.

[Jason Moore]

You know, for my. Minus two, the.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that Olave didn't. Didn't help. That was on you, huh? No, I mean, first of all, two weeks of the NFL season is not enough. We all want it to be enough.

[Jason Moore]

We all spent three because we were going into week four.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, three weeks of the NFL season. But I guess I was saying too, because last week the packers had that surprise loss, Right? So the first two Weeks of the year, you're like, this is the best team that's ever played football. But it's just not enough. We spent the entire off season talking about these teams, and we're like, okay, let's make our conclusions. But that's the kind of thing that happened with Ash and Jinti and Amari and Hampton. Right. The conclusions were made, but it's a couple of weeks. It's two or three weeks. Like, the NFL changes and it's so interdependent. You can't, you know, the 72 win bulls or whatever. The 70 win, but I don't remember how many of the one. Now I know. I think it was 72. No one knows what I'm talking about. You can't. In basketball, there's five players on the court. It's just very, very hard to surprise somebody. But in the NFL, it's 11 on 11. Yeah, right. It's just like, sometimes you can play harder. A play, a turnover, you know, it was. Dallas played really, really good football on the offensive side, and it was predicated on an incredibly effective running game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Javante was great.

[Andy Holloway]

They kept chunking away yards on the ground, giving their passing game opportunities. And, you know, Dak looked amazing.

[Mike Wright]

He.

[Andy Holloway]

He was.

[Jason Moore]

He was so good. He's been good this whole season. Like, he really has been. The touchdowns have come on the ground, but, like, play just where he's putting the ball, his decision making.

[Mike Wright]

He's completing 73% of his passes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been without CD Lamb now for a game and a half.

[Jason Moore]

He's been great.

[Andy Holloway]

So validation on your deck. Excitement.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I love having him. I'm happy. I've got him on many, many leagues. I'm not happy. I had him on many, many benches.

[Mike Wright]

I'm so thrilled for you to play Dak everywhere next week and find out what.

[Jason Moore]

I will be in 100% of my lineups start of the week. Dak, let's. What could go wrong? What could go wrong?

[Andy Holloway]

This whole episode needs, like, a special disclaimer.

[Jason Moore]

I want to put this in my neck.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, man, Put it down.

[Jason Moore]

We're good.

[Andy Holloway]

We're good.

[Mike Wright]

You're okay. Patrick Mahomes, he was great. Quarterback 6. Quarterback 8. Quarterback 20. QB 4.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he got Xavier Worthy back, and we underestimated the impact that he could make. At least I did. Personally, I thought that.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, same back. I did not. The reports on Worthy were so all over the place, but, I mean, it was essentially like, in the same sense, they're like, hey, Worthy's going to play a normal amount of snaps. But we are very pretty concerned about re injury. Wait, wait, what? And I mean he played 59%. It was, you know, it turned into the blowout at the end but 5 for 83 really helped and a couple.

[Andy Holloway]

Carries for 38 yards.

[Mike Wright]

So I just mean of like for my homes here. What are we doing? We're just, we're a couple weeks away from him getting his actual number one wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

He's pretty good. They still can't run.

[Mike Wright]

Is Mahomes going to be back? He was top, top 10 in three or four weeks where last year he was in the top 10 four times.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's top 12.

[Mike Wright]

He's top 12 rest of season. Yeah, I just, I mean like, are you start worthy? Okay, so you're not ready to be like, yeah, we're so back.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. I think Baltimore might have some real problems.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Baltimore has given up.

[Andy Holloway]

I think their defense is the problem.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they've given up a ton of points. And also we brought this up last week but you know, they're the last couple of years, the week after you play the Detroit Lions, seriously, I mean they play a brand of football that takes a toll on human bodies. And the Ravens looked a little shellacked.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan love 31 for 43. 3, 37 and 3. And one devilishly risky attempt into the back of the end zone to Matthew golden that almost ran the clock out.

[Mike Wright]

That was horrifically bad at the back.

[Andy Holloway]

It's amazing how often like bad clock management happens in the NFL because I don't know if it's just a communication challenge of just like when you're in it.

[Mike Wright]

And I totally get like, it's like the game show thing, right. Of you can watch a game show on television and you could think so clearly of how dumb are these people. Go participate in one. Yeah, be the person who's in the hot seat and also in your brain just turns into mush and you're like, why can't I think of these answers? So I the we need, I've said this for years. We need the kid who plays Madden up in the booth who is just like they're not emotionally locked in. They're just watching the game, but they know exactly what the protocol should be.

[Jason Moore]

Don't let it. Be a fan of your team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Just a kid.

[Mike Wright]

Just, just a teenager who's really, really good at game managing.

[Jason Moore]

Mad you can't get in enough reps playing football.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Playing video games. You get it. You get it almost every game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, we had problems with three different games. We had problems with the Cardinal game on Thursday, Cardinals not taking up enough time. We had problems with the. Basically almost repeated itself in the radar game, but to block the kick problems in this game for sure. But Jordan Love was very, very good. 337 and 3. Didn't throw an interception, ran for 28 yards. We'll take a break. We'll come back and talk about some more studs, all right?

[Mike Wright]

Are we done with quarterbacks? I just want to.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, we're not done. We're not done, okay? It's just a break.

[Mike Wright]

Okay?

[Jason Moore]

We're getting. Just take a break. I need a break.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, Mike, you can talk quarterbacks some more. Drake May was very good this week and has been Very good the last three weeks. Probably the best sophomore quarterback. Better than Bo Nicks. Better than Michael Panick so far this year.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, time out. Without looking, look away from your computer. How many passing attempts did Drake may have?

[Andy Holloway]

I already saw.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, all right.

[Andy Holloway]

I Bet it was 17.

[Jason Moore]

It was only 17.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the Panthers got whooped, but I didn't want to move off of quarterbacks without the highlighting of Jackson dart. 13 for 21. 11 and 1. That's not special. 10 for 54 and a rushing touchdown. And this dude, I mean felt like.

[Jason Moore]

It was every play.

[Mike Wright]

We'll see if you can. Can he do this every single week and take that type of punishment? But he was calling his own number and he looked good running the ball.

[Jason Moore]

He's going to break himself.

[Mike Wright]

It did look a bit like that.

[Jason Moore]

Like.

[Mike Wright]

But for the time being he needs.

[Jason Moore]

To learn to slide a little bit more. But the scrambling. 10 rushing attempts. He completed 13 passes. So like, like 13 completions, 10 rush attempts. That is a wild every. It was like I'm going to look to throwing the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you lost some league neighbors in the middle of the game. That didn't help.

[Mike Wright]

No, it did not.

[Andy Holloway]

So we'll. We'll see they go to New Orleans next week. We're looking at the running back position. Top five of the week. Ashton Genti and Josh Jacobs, which I.

[Mike Wright]

Hope you traded for.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are both the top two trade for candidates this week.

[Mike Wright]

That window is.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's completely closed.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Door has been locked hard.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I got lasers.

[Jason Moore]

Hopefully they're now on your roster.

[Andy Holloway]

It was really. It was really a split reaction by me because I had been pushing really hard virginity in our league of record. And then he scores the first one and we're like, all right, trade for candidate. But then I'm like, yeah, but I wanted one more week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, right. You wanted another chance to get him.

[Andy Holloway]

I wanted one week to solidify and he went back to his. The Jameer Gibbs stance. I don't know if you knew this. Oh, I saw Chip Kelly made him not stand the way he used to stand in college.

[Jason Moore]

Don't. Don't. Why?

[Mike Wright]

I. I'm not going to rule out that. That had an effect. The Chicago Bears definitely have an effect.

[Andy Holloway]

32 but he caught two passes, involved.

[Jason Moore]

Him in the receiving game draft a guy at number four in the NFL draft and then be like, hey, the way you played in college, don't do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you were at Boise State. Let's show you how you do it in the pro.

[Jason Moore]

If you lean over he went sixth. It is. Oh, I apologize. I.

[Mike Wright]

We want to be.

[Jason Moore]

Sincerely apologize. I said for.

[Mike Wright]

It was. It was great to see.

[Jason Moore]

Is this a superpower? Because the only two players I can ever remember that just stand like that are Jameer Gibbs and Ashton Genty. It's so weird if you, if you haven't paid attention and you don't know this, go watch. You don't realize how weird it is until you look for it. And then you go, why is Jameer Gibbs just standing like he's like, like he's just hanging out outside of the building.

[Andy Holloway]

They call it, right?

[Mike Wright]

No, what do they call it?

[Andy Holloway]

The Michael Myers.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yes, yes. Because you just stand there like you have no idea.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, we were all taught. We all learned in kindergarten. Like when you go to pe, they're like, okay, this is the athletic ready position. Three point stance, knees are slightly bent, hands on knees ready for athletics.

[Andy Holloway]

Nah, nah, nah. Pencil.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you want to be pencil. Do not be prepared at all. The nice thing is though, if you do have that stance, like let's say you, you have the Michael Myers stance, no tells, no tells in your game because you're just like completely unprepared. But it works.

[Andy Holloway]

Josh Jacobs was awesome. Really was. Four for 71 through the air, two touchdowns on the ground.

[Mike Wright]

Josh Jacobs owes Tucker Craft.

[Andy Holloway]

He was hurt, though.

[Jason Moore]

Did he? I was going to get hurt. Hurt at the end of that game.

[Mike Wright]

He kept going in and out. Something with his knee. But I mean, Tucker Kraft monster plays to go down right at the one.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, Tucker.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. Hunter Henry did one of those too. Yeah, that. That sucked. Kenneth Gainwell, third best running back on the week. Justice Hill with the gorbachiest breakaway touchdown ever. Well, he's number four in the week. He gets listed because he was number four. Bijan 26.1.

[Jason Moore]

Good.

[Andy Holloway]

And got caught on another breakaway touchdown. Somehow, for the record, he was running the fastest he had run all year on that play and still got caught in his career.

[Mike Wright]

That's not great, but that's, that's, that's never been the Bijan experience.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a real headline from the week. And it's not going to make Jason happier. It's going to make him much more unhappy than he already was. Woody Marks, 17 for 69 and a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

17 carries.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but also five targets, four for 50 and a touchdown. Yeah, Mike brought him up a couple weeks ago and I might have traded Jason Travis Hunter for Woody Marks this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you did. You said might, but it was real. Yeah, I did.

[Andy Holloway]

I did.

[Jason Moore]

You made the offer. And I was Woody Marks. I've got three good running backs. And then Woody Marks was just kind of a bench back. And I'm like, man, it's so weird to hold on to a, you know, day three pick on a bad offense versus the number two overall pick in the NFL draft. So I took the deal and I. And I traded for Travis Hunter, who is pretty irrelevant and barely played.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you see there was some personal.

[Mike Wright]

Stuff going on there on the. On defensive side?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, no, he didn't play as many offensive snaps.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he was on 56% of the snaps, which is. It's pretty much in line with what he's done the last, which is not enough.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, I see. He only played wide receiver in the second half, not defense.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, there it is. I don't know. It's weird. The Travis Hunter stuff is weird.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no, it's not. It's not at all. Shane Waldron. Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Just wait till next year.

[Mike Wright]

I just mean that.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, it's very weird. Of course. I was just.

[Mike Wright]

You mortgage the future. You move up. You draft him over the other guys, which, look, in the NFL draft, that's what everyone was clamoring for. Everyone was calling for it. He's a unicorn.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Two for one deal.

[Mike Wright]

It feels like they. It feels like they just. They don't know how to. What to do.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they had a big win and their defense was the key to that win.

[Mike Wright]

So defense is good.

[Andy Holloway]

They managed it. Right? Amari and Hampton without moving on though.

[Jason Moore]

Woody Marks, the rookie running back for the. For the Texans, is someone that really needs to be on your radar. He's probably rostered now. We've been saying I bet him up.

[Mike Wright]

For the next couple of weeks, but.

[Jason Moore]

He is available in enough leagues where you have to. I mean, this is a guy who. He played more snaps than Nick Chubb. He has so much more to give the team than Chubb. Chubb's not going to go away.

[Mike Wright]

Sleeper has him listed.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me guess. Okay, I bet it's 50%.

[Mike Wright]

You want to guess, Jay? You're the only one.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe less.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to say 58%.

[Mike Wright]

37.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. No, he wouldn't have been picked up. People. He wasn't a high profile running back.

[Mike Wright]

That's why he was. He was a backup waiver pickup.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Mike's been flagging it for a while. And Chubbs just not Chubbs just doesn't.

[Mike Wright]

He doesn't.

[Andy Holloway]

He doesn't have enough.

[Mike Wright]

When you are an aged Veteran who has lost the. You've lost the sauce, you've lost the juice. And if a backup has it, those are guys that you want to put on your bench. It doesn't always work out, but that's the type of situation you want to go after. And Woody Marks is on the rise.

[Andy Holloway]

Hampton CMC Irving, James Cook, Judkins ETN Once again, huge weeks. Javante Williams looks really good. Yeah, really good defense.

[Jason Moore]

All those backs looked good. Bucky's been amazing. James Cook the running back one. Quinn Sean is the dude. And Travis ETN genuinely looks like his. I think he's back. It's been a month now and not only has he looked good on breakaway runs with speed that he just was not showing last year.

[Mike Wright]

Bijan would not have made that run.

[Jason Moore]

Right. But the utilization of Travis ETN has. You know, it was like we had some concerns. I had some concerns that Tuton was going to get more and more involved and then, you know, It's. He had 21 opportunities.

[Andy Holloway]

We have held Liam Cohen, you know, to the fire over Brian Thomas Jr. And Travis Hunter and these other players, but he has definitely transformed Travis ET into the positive.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receiver studs of the week. Puka Nakua continues the onslaught on everybody. He's probably, if we redrafted day, he'd probably be the number one pick.

[Mike Wright]

Number one or number two. Yeah, I would think so.

[Andy Holloway]

Puka Pickens, Dobbs with the three touchdowns. I don't know what the Dobbs yardage was. 58. Almond Ross ain't touchdown continued. And then Metcalf with the huge touchdown on the Dublin game.

[Mike Wright]

The, the I looking at the Metcalf line, it's. It's disappointing to me of like it seemed like they, in the beginning of the game they were, they looked at what they had done with him and said we got to make sure that we're getting him the ball. It was, you know, two pretty quick receptions and I believe the third one was the 80. 80 yard screen or not slant to the house and then he had two more catches in the rest of the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they were really playing from ahead. The defense was driving things and then Kenny Gainwell was gaining so many.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, maybe first downs.

[Andy Holloway]

It just didn't feel like it was very necessary.

[Mike Wright]

Utilization is frustrating.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think it should be frustrating. They were out to a big lead. I know they only won by three, but they were, they were controlling the game and running the ball well and in the driver's seat. So gameplay wise they just didn't need him and he's great.

[Mike Wright]

See his targets on the year 7, 6, 4, 5.

[Andy Holloway]

No, they haven't been up there and their defense is finding itself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but would you be happy with 23% target share? Yeah. And that's what he had. They didn't throw the ball that much. Yeah, I mean it's not like you'd want.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you happy with 39% target share? Yeah, because that's what Drake London had.

[Jason Moore]

Oh yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Eight for one. Ten and one. There was the London for genty trades we talked about last week. Neither party was unhappy. After one week, Quentin Johnston's now the wide receiver. Four on the season, 13 targets, eight for 98. You know, Quentin Johnston we talked about.

[Jason Moore]

He's that low.

[Andy Holloway]

We talked about him so often on Sunday because it is very, very clear that this is their best wide receiver on this team. 13 targets after a 10 target week. I mean Quentin Johnston is now on pace for 157 targets. He's scoring almost every week he has made. You know, lad McConkey is irrelevant right now.

[Jason Moore]

He is their most physically gifted wide receiver by a mile.

[Andy Holloway]

Like Lad McConkey, he's their Nico Collins.

[Jason Moore]

Lad McConkey is a great route runner, great hands, nice twitchy athlete. Keenan Allen once upon a time was, you know, a supreme athlete. Now he's just a wily old vet. But Quentin Johnston has height, weight, speed, strength that these other guys don't have. And you're seeing it play out on the field for a team that wants to throw the ball and can with a great quarterback. Quentin Johnston is not going away. I got a lot of questions this week about trading four or trading away. Huge.

[Mike Wright]

I would not.

[Jason Moore]

And I was on. I'm very happy. All my advice on all of them this week was on the huge side and it's continued.

[Mike Wright]

He. I mean you not. You don't want to compare him fully to the name, but this is what happened to Devonte Adams.

[Jason Moore]

Adams took a couple of years.

[Mike Wright]

Adams for two years was a catastrophic bust in the NFL. You know, a laughable, laughable catch rate. 440 yards, 483 yards. And I believe that year two was the year that Jordy went down to the ACL. So it was. Oh man. Vonte Adams is going to be the guy. And then he would. He was terrible. And now Devonte Adams is great.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Year one, Devonte Adams, just figure it out. Rookie year, Devonte Adams, wide receiver, 75. Right. Irrelevant. Okay. He's a rookie. Year two, when they needed him. Wide receiver, 73 and I was like, he's not good. He's not good. And then from then on out, he's been basically a hall of fame wide receiver for a decade.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, that might not be the path for John Stimulus, but he's playing very good. He's 82% snaps.

[Mike Wright]

It does happen. Where Quentin Johnston was the laughingstock and I with four through four weeks, I'm in.

[Andy Holloway]

It doesn't happen often, though. Third year breakout.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's as rare. I mean, it's the fact you have to reference a guy that did it 15, 20 years ago.

[Mike Wright]

It's usually, it's usually a second year breakout. Third, third year superstar.

[Andy Holloway]

But the snap counts are way up.

[Jason Moore]

If it's going to happen, I want it to happen to a former first round pick, the number 21 pick in.

[Andy Holloway]

The draft, Ameka Buka. Again, four for one on one and one. Can't stop scoring. Literally can't stop. Debo got it done. 6 for 72. Had the touchdown. Justin Jefferson. Nice to see 10 catches for Jefferson. Didn't get into the end zone this week, but that was nice to see.

[Jason Moore]

Are you going to be sad when Wentz goes away? Like, will you?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think so. I, I honestly, this game was a pretty much, you know, it was one of the examples of why Wentz is a backup to me. Effective at times. Completely lost in the pocket, didn't throw the ball away.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm saying for Justin Jefferson. Is Justin Jefferson better with Carson wentz than with JJ McCarthy?

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit. But we also, we've just barely seen jj.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

So Goddard, Warren, Pitts, Ferguson, Tonjas, those are your tight ends.

[Mike Wright]

Apparently this was the. Did you score a touchdown this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. When the, when the tight end one on the week has 37 yards. No, the tight, the tight end one.

[Mike Wright]

Sad.

[Jason Moore]

37 yards. That's not a great week for tight ends. Tyler Warren. Love you, dog. He is so good. I'm so mad at you. I'm so mad at you.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason's upset that Warren, which by the way, if you have Warren, you should be happy about this. Two goal line opportunities again, which we did talk about before the season.

[Jason Moore]

I had two important players to me, Jonathan Taylor and Daniel Jones. So like Rush.

[Andy Holloway]

Getting a rushing touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Rushing touchdown. Not on my list. Like Tyler Warren. Go catch the touchdown. Great. Oh, you want to hand it off. Great. Just don't hand it off to the Titans. The only thing that could hurt me.

[Andy Holloway]

And he scored. So it worked. Tyler Warren. Very, very good pits. Those two guys are 70 yards receiving. Hunter Henry had a touchdown but then got stopped at the 1cm line. And Dalton Kincaid had one catch but it was a touchdown. So he keeps doing it, keeps hanging on. We will take our second break and come back with the duds.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, this segment, Jason will feel more at home.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Pooped in his big boy pants. Geno Smith sucks at football. Started him over Dak in like three leagues.

[Mike Wright]

It has been.

[Andy Holloway]

Shouldn't have done that.

[Jason Moore]

No, I shouldn't. But to be fair, the Bears defense without their star cornerback has been really bad. Until all of a sudden, Gino starts throwing it to your defense three times.

[Andy Holloway]

It's funny, all three of the interceptions I thought were actually really, really good plays by the defense. They were like, like diving route. I mean, it shouldn't have happened. Geno can't do that three times in a row. That's stupid. But. And he only threw for 117 yards in this game. But yeah, I mean, he's not been very good most of the games.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, he would tell you that because his press conference, he's like, I'm not the guy I'm supposed to be.

[Jason Moore]

He has not been playing well. And he's been. He's been putting the ball in jeopardy is the real problem. Like his. His yardage has been fine. I mean, week one, he had over 20 fantasy points. Week three, at over 20 fantasy points. The other two weeks have been bad. But the issue is, you know, this is a guy who's. We're four weeks in, he's throwing six interceptions. You can't win that way.

[Mike Wright]

It's a weird de. What?

[Jason Moore]

Devolved, Devolving.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

You were looking at like the opposite of like an evolution.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Because I've always thought that Geno was a good quarterback. And I was like, I was excited for him to be for the Raiders. And it's been.

[Andy Holloway]

Darnold's been much better.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's been brutal.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, where are we with Justin Herbert? This was a disappointing performance. He is now the last three weeks quarterback, 18, 8 and 17. So we've been under 20 fantasy points three straight weeks. Under 15 two straight weeks. The past attempts are still there. Hampton got it going this week, but, you know, this was a surprising upset to everyone. But, you know, it was yours truly.

[Jason Moore]

Of course, the interceptions this week is what really took the toll on him. The minus four there, Joe, all going down well. The offensive line became a real problem. The fact that you lost their highest paid lineman in the league at left.

[Andy Holloway]

Tackle before you even had to move over there.

[Jason Moore]

Then you're like, it's okay. We drafted Joe Alt. Let's move him over there. And then he gets injured. So right now we don't know Joe Alt was an ankle injury. We'll monitor that, see if he can tape it up. And as an alignment, maybe get back this week. But if not, I think you might want to press pause, maybe bench him.

[Mike Wright]

Past two weeks, Herbert has been pressured on almost 50% of his drop back.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Caleb Williams. Disappointing fantasy week for Caleb Williams. They didn't pull out the win, but 212 and one to me at all. Back to the kind of Bears struggling to move the ball. Daniel Jones in protest.

[Jason Moore]

Daniel Jones played awesome football.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you didn't even. You were saying it. You're protesting.

[Jason Moore]

I'm protesting him being he did not poop in his big boy pants for fantasy football. He pooped in your big boy pants. Like he pooped in your pants.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, let me see, let me see those.

[Jason Moore]

Let me see those pants. I'm gonna take a dump in those.

[Andy Holloway]

He pooped in your pants is what you're saying.

[Jason Moore]

He pooped in your pants for sure. But he didn't poop in his own pants.

[Andy Holloway]

He pooped in his own pants. He threw two picks.

[Jason Moore]

He played good ball.

[Andy Holloway]

He threw two picks. He hadn't thrown in any interceptions.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, yes, he threw two interceptions. Everybody throws interceptions over the.

[Andy Holloway]

He poured in your pants and his own, but pooped a little bit in both.

[Jason Moore]

Would you say that if Adonai Mitchell if literally the pass he made where Adonai Mitchell scored a touchdown, but then just whoopsie doodles the ball out of the back of the end zone, which again, again, again, again is the dumbest rule in all of football. I can't stand that rule. Just give the team.

[Andy Holloway]

He should have been punished for what happened.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, but punish it by putting the ball in the offense on the 1 or back on the 20.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, if he gets, if he gets that touchdown, he's still probably not in the top 12 this week.

[Jason Moore]

Not in the top 12, but not in a pooped in his poop.

[Andy Holloway]

But maybe not. Yeah, he probably wouldn't be here. You're right. Jared Goff, 16 for 27 and 128 or 168. It's the Golf experience. You never know what you're going to get. Running backs. Jason. David Montgomery. What did he do for you last week?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, like 40 points. He was so good and he was.

[Andy Holloway]

Nine for 12 this week.

[Jason Moore]

I had four players on my roster that went nuclear. I was the high score last week. Literally. I had a zero. A goose egg from CD Lamb and the rest of my roster scored more than everyone else's roster. Pretty much that same roster this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Montgomery, A.J. brown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we had a. The morning games, I had four of my players going. They did not combine for 10 fantasy points.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man, I hate this game.

[Andy Holloway]

So Jason has been so. We've been doing this a while.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's a decade.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason at times has been vocal on Sundays when things are going sour. He had been really self controlled and the ice broke this morning.

[Jason Moore]

The ice broke last night, but yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh no.

[Jason Moore]

You weren't there for that.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh no.

[Jason Moore]

I tried to stay strong and be more mature and like turn a new leaf.

[Mike Wright]

And your family left you yet?

[Jason Moore]

No. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Should they have?

[Jason Moore]

I have left them. They. This is your fault. They're still there, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So they're happy you came to work today.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Well, sorry David Montgomery didn't deliver the.

[Mike Wright]

Montgomery felt like he. I mean, he felt like a sketchy play to me against the Bears. I. Not that bad. But.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the other, the other crazy one is like Derek Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, this, this is a conversation for 42 now.

[Andy Holloway]

He had a long of 14. I feel like it was the first carry of the game. That means that. What is that, like 30 or 28 yards the rest of the way from Derek Henry had the outlier, weird Justice Hill, you know, double touchdown day. But Derek Henry has had like two Studley games and two Dudley games.

[Mike Wright]

And the snaps are down, the fumbles are up. The fumbles are up. The utilization to me is maddening. To have third and one opportunities for third and one and fourth and shorts and Derrick Henry's not on the field. That's crazy talk to me to not at least make the defense be nervous that you can hand the ball to Derek Henry. But what do you do here long term is this.

[Andy Holloway]

You just play him?

[Mike Wright]

There's just a lull.

[Jason Moore]

It's so weird. Last week he played 39% of snaps.

[Mike Wright]

11. So week one was awesome. When you drafted King Henry, we were all dancing through the streets. But then 11 opportunities, 13, 11, like that's even for Derek Henry. That's not going to get it done.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, look, what is Derek Henry good at?

[Jason Moore]

Running the ball in a lead.

[Andy Holloway]

Running the ball. When you win. What's the record? They're one and three.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

[Andy Holloway]

That's where you're at now, Houston coming.

[Jason Moore]

Up, 39% snaps, though. That is concerning. Like, he never, not one time last year was he that low. Even at the beginning of the year when people were really upset and they were like, we're not going to give Derek Henry the ball. 350 times and he was playing like 46% of the snaps. He never was below 40% of the snaps.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder if he played in the fourth quarter. I mean, this is. What's the prescription? Is the prescription trade away?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would be trading for Derek Henry.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, that is the. That's the big question then. I don't know if I would.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

You're going to play three street home games. I like that. I like him at home. You might need to lean on him more if Lamar is limited running.

[Jason Moore]

So you're right, he is. I mean his splits historically and wins and losses is as big a gap as anybody because of his play style. And they're one in three. And if you're like, well, so is that the Ravens. Are the Ravens going to go and win 25% of their games? No.

[Andy Holloway]

Boy, I do look at the schedule for the Ravens and I wonder how easy it's going to be. They got to. They got to play the Rams.

[Jason Moore]

That's tough.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, next week it's Houston, but then they play the Rams.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, let's say they're one on one there.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. So then they lose to the Rams.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

You play Chicago at home, you probably win that game.

[Jason Moore]

It's a win.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Three and four. You play the Dolphins on the road, you probably win that guy. But then you're in Minnesota, in Cleveland, back to back, you win both of those.

[Mike Wright]

I think you should win the both.

[Jason Moore]

But let's say you two road games, three road games, then you got the Bengals.

[Andy Holloway]

They'll be all right.

[Jason Moore]

Bengals twice, they'll probably be all right.

[Andy Holloway]

But yeah, first, first place schedule. Trey Benson, disappointing if you look at the numbers.

[Mike Wright]

I go get him if I could.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I do think there's going to be some frustration. The nice thing about Connor is that he was the most trustworthy on all three downs. D. Markado played almost the same amount of snaps as Trey Benson.

[Jason Moore]

So that was because we were in a lot of two minute drill and Trey Benson is not the two minute drill, which is a.

[Andy Holloway]

It's super frustrating when that happens.

[Jason Moore]

It is so frustrating and is a problem. And to be honest, I don't think that changes. I don't either that Trey Benson will earn that role.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Two or three weeks from now. If I was the head coach, he would earn that role.

[Andy Holloway]

Last week I'm still fine trading for him to be a starter because he looked good. Yeah, he's. What in the world do you do here? Washington. Washington had a two and a half headed monster here. Jakori Krasky, Merit, 7 for 47. Chris Rodriguez, 7 for 57.

[Jason Moore]

59.

[Andy Holloway]

59. And Jeremy McNichols just 2 for 3. So both of the other backs looked really good. Two targets for Bill. But the snaps, 20, 20, 19, that was the way it went. That's not good. If you had jcm, would you trade him? Would you try to trade him?

[Mike Wright]

I tried to, yeah. I mean that was my trade away last week and I don't see anything to change my opinion on that.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Nick Chubb is times running out for Nick Chubb? Yeah, 44% of snaps.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he. I'm not dropping Nick Chubb, but I'm going to try and bench him.

[Andy Holloway]

Panic alarm for lad McConkey one for 11 on six targets for lad McConkey.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's. I would need to go back and watch the targets.

[Andy Holloway]

But he had some huge like drops.

[Mike Wright]

In this game because Herbert is getting rushed. Herbert completed. I mean, obviously lad McConkey helped him on that one, but he completed 56% of his passes this week against the Giants. I mean, panic alarm. Not full panic yet, but we are approaching it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we said last week we'd rather have Cuge than lad rest of the season before this week.

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Lad right now is slotted in as one of the biggest first two round disappointments that you could have drafted.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

AJ Brown 2 for 7.

[Mike Wright]

He is also one of the bigger disappointments you could have drafted.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And he's. He's vague booking.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man, he's so back. We are so back. We got a quote here from A.J. brown. After losing the game, he put this quote up. He says, quote, if you're not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.

[Andy Holloway]

Four and O Philly.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's tough to have wins now. I know. You just probably read his stat line. Mike, look away.

[Mike Wright]

What am I looking away from?

[Jason Moore]

Do you know how many yards A.J. brown had?

[Mike Wright]

I remember you talking about him a lot. I'm going to go. We're under 20, correct. Okay. Are we under 15?

[Jason Moore]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Under 10, correct.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, get. I want. We're about specifics. We're about detail here. Seven. Bingo. Now, seven yards. How many targets?

[Andy Holloway]

Seven more.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, brother.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Nine targets. How do you turn nine targets into seven yards?

[Mike Wright]

Because, Jason, targets don't matter. We've won.

[Jason Moore]

That's right. Thank you, Andy. Andy is famous for that. Targets don't matter and proven right again, man. Proven right again.

[Andy Holloway]

In Cleveland or Philly, apparently. I mean, Devontae Smith targets, you end.

[Jason Moore]

Up with seven yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he had the. He was strapped. They had him locked down. Three straight targets on that last drive and he was clamped.

[Jason Moore]

What do we do with Brian Thomas Jr. This is.

[Andy Holloway]

This was not that bad of a game.

[Jason Moore]

Again, when you say not that bad, you're correct. But if that is the case, it's not been bad the whole season.

[Andy Holloway]

I think it's less bad in reality than it is in our minds.

[Jason Moore]

8.5 fantasy points. 6.9 fantasy points. 6.5 fantasy points. 8.1 fantasy points. Those are his four weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

I will try to trade for him this week.

[Jason Moore]

I would too. I would too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean, I'm Going to try again.

[Jason Moore]

At least he caught the passes this week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he did. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean Travis Hunter is a non factor. The fact Britain strange is leading the team and I think receptions or targets not good. Tettero McMillan. What do you. What are we doing now? We're four weeks in. Ted McMillan four for 62. I saw some. Some targets that like the targets are always there but obviously they don't matter. But I mean Ted McMillan is sitting at a catch rate of 50%. Three for eight last week, four for eight this week. I'd like to say he's a trade.

[Mike Wright]

For three of eight. You mean three for four.

[Andy Holloway]

Three of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to say he's a trade for target. He hasn't gotten in the end zone. But the kind of polarity, the fact that the Panthers have looked like maybe the worst team in football in three of their four games and then they dominated Atlanta at home. Like now they've been on the road three times. They lost all three of those games. Looking horrible. They're at home for a couple more weeks. Is this the moment before they come home?

[Jason Moore]

This is the moment I would trade for Tet.

[Mike Wright]

I'm still in on Ted Row. McMillan he through four weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you trade A.J. brown for him? Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think I would. I would want. I'm going to go make that offer right the heck now obviously there's some.

[Mike Wright]

More wide receivers that need to play tonight because we have the two full games.

[Andy Holloway]

True.

[Mike Wright]

But as of right now, even. Well, it feels very disappointing. Rookie wide receiver Tedro McMillan on that bad team is the wide receiver. Is he 25 is what I'm seeing.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not. That's not what you.

[Mike Wright]

But with zero touchdowns as well. So I.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a quarterback problem though. It's whether you believe that Bryce Young is going to effectively get him the football on a regular basis. He's effectively trying to like he's. The targets are there. He's on a pace for 170 targets.

[Mike Wright]

Miami, Miami 140 and Dallas are the next two games and they are at home.

[Andy Holloway]

This would be your moment, I think.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would be buying in right now. And if we get to the end of week six and he has not made. We don't have some sort of statement game either against Miami or Dallas. Like Matthew golden, the. I'm not going to call it a dude but super disappointing.

[Andy Holloway]

Super disappointing. So we should talk about. So he was at like eight and a half fantasy points. He had the target in the end Zone at the end of the game. I agree. It's a disappointing game.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, how many. He had what was like a 20 yard catch in overtime. So it was. It took overtime for him to get there.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me. It was. It was not overtime. It was the field goal right before. It was. Right before to get to overtime.

[Mike Wright]

Was that what it was?

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, yeah. It was the fourth down conversion to try to get the field goal to go to overtime. But. But I would say like. So there's two players that golden and Jameson Williams. I want to talk about Golden I am worried about.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because of the snaps and the opportunities. I go watch. Go watch the Green Bay game. I don't have the numbers in front of me. If you want to know when they're going to run the football, just look to see whether Matthew Golden's on the field. Matthew golden was like off the field every single time. It was a designed run play and they have a lot of different weapons there. I expected them to have a chance at a deep shot. They didn't really take one. They had the early one where he caught it and Wicks and him were in the same spot, which it looked.

[Mike Wright]

Like the ball was going to. Wicks and Matthew Golan's like, that's. I'm going to take that.

[Andy Holloway]

It is a tough. It's a tough call because we expected the breakout game in this one. I don't know what the final numbers were. I think he had like five catches.

[Mike Wright]

Five for 58.

[Andy Holloway]

Five for 58. He had the end zone target at the end. You know, it's like if he catches that ball, does your perspective completely change on the season? I don't know. I was a little disappointed in the snap counts. So, yeah, that was my opinion there.

[Jason Moore]

And then it feels like he is who we thought he was. You know, I know we were excited going to a good offense with a first round draft capital, but this was a surprising. Like, before the NFL draft, we knew he's a talented wide receiver and a special athlete. Both of those things are true. But he did not project or profile as an alpha wide receiver as a, as a, you know, a team leader at the wide receiver position. We kind of hoped and gave him that based on his draft capital and then based on Jaden Reed's injury. But this is a guy who never had 1,000 yards in college.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Like, why would he come to the NFL and dominate and take over the NFL when he didn't take over his, you know, his team in Texas? So, you know, I don't Know, I think he is not. He'll have a lot of big games and I think he's going to be in his career a great best ball player. I don't know that he ever develops into what he has never developed into prior to the NFL which is the alpha possession receiver. The guy who has a target market share that says give me that.

[Mike Wright]

Oh there.

[Andy Holloway]

Kyle managed to pull this data very fast. He was on the field for five of the 22 Jacobs carries. That's what I noticed. I knew exactly what the team was doing. I hate it when teams do this. They do this all the time. To me it's like the biggest tell ever. Just look for zero. If he's not out there, go tackle the running back. That's about. That's how it worked. Jameson Williams, he was 2 for 40 every time we looked at the television. Every time it looked like he was going to catch an 80 yard touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

He smoked the defense over and over and over and over.

[Mike Wright]

In this game his average depth of target was nearly 27 yards. It just him and Goff could not connect.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a bus so far, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, probably.

[Andy Holloway]

What is your. Is he trade for neutral? Trade away.

[Jason Moore]

He's pretty neutral to me because you got to know what he is which is a big play. Like huge weak but very like his variance. He could easily half the games going forward go out there and score less than five.

[Mike Wright]

It was awesome to see the eight targets. He was this. He was targeted on 32% of his routes which is. That's a tremendous number.

[Andy Holloway]

So they took so many shots that.

[Jason Moore]

Should have worked and two of them I this is from memory. I don't have the data in front of me but I think two of them were his fault like drops. Agreed. One was oh, he turned to the right and then turn to the left. I that was a drop of all drops. I know.

[Andy Holloway]

Not a drop of. You didn't have to overstate it. I would have agreed with you. It was a difficult catch.

[Jason Moore]

It was a drop entirely.

[Mike Wright]

$80 million receivers make that catch.

[Jason Moore]

It was a difficult catch. That was a drop entirely on him. Jared Goff put that ball on a catchable place with plenty of time and air and he did not catch it after it hit his hands. But the others were all missed like the others. There were so many plays where it was he's going down, he's torched the defense like and he underthrew it and then he under threw it or overthrew it was wild. But if you watch the game, Jameson Williams had the best game of some of sub 5 fantasy points I've ever seen. Like he was dominant and a complete failure.

[Andy Holloway]

He was disappointing.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And let's have a conversation. Brock Bowers. Let's have a conversation. I mean, Brock Bowers is. His average depth to target has gone from 11 to 9 to 6 to 2.

[Jason Moore]

So we caused two of our chopped league teams to be chopped.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, he was. He was on one of the chopped teams.

[Jason Moore]

He was chopped and I bet a lot to have.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's going to hit the waivers.

[Mike Wright]

Again because he was.

[Jason Moore]

You guys should pay up for him.

[Mike Wright]

He was the tight end one and then he was 16, 14 and currently 17 on the week he hurt his knee. That will be pushed lower.

[Andy Holloway]

He hurt his knee in week two and this is the conversation. Gino's not been good. They're not running him on downfield routes. Ashton Genti does change what the offense was doing last year, right? They didn't have any running game at all. Now Genti involved in the passing game. Now Genti involved, You know, big running game. I mean, they were running Zamir White last. Last year.

[Mike Wright]

He was a healthy scratch this week, I believe. I think Raheem mostly.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I said last year.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Zemir White was the running back last year. And so I'm just saying having a running game, having a different quarterback, having a different offensive coordinator, having an injury like Brock Belvers, he's such a big name. If you don't believe that will get. It'll get right for him. He is a easy player to trade. That's all I'm saying.

[Jason Moore]

I would say if you wanted to trade him away right now and you can get a haul, great.

[Andy Holloway]

Warren plus Jalen Warren. No, I don't think you'll get Tyler Warren.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, I would do that. And I think you could. No, I think you could.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think he could.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you do it straight up?

[Jason Moore]

I would do it, yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He wanted to make sure that sound wasn't off.

[Jason Moore]

It was. It's close. But if I could get Tyler Warren, plus I would do it. I believe that this issue we're seeing right now with Brock Bowers is the knee. And so the second half of the year, you know, they've got a week eight by, so that's a month from now when he's, you know, two months and a week of rest, recovered from that knee. I think he's going to go out there and dominate.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, all this is a scary amount of time away.

[Jason Moore]

It Is that's why I would be willing to take Tyler Warren plus.

[Mike Wright]

But you know, I think you would have to. I don't think that trade goes through. I do not.

[Jason Moore]

It might not.

[Mike Wright]

Tyler Warren, his currently week one was 11.4 points. This is a half scoring form at 11.4, 105 against Tennessee Gross. And then currently just under 16 points this week.

[Jason Moore]

Third he's currently the tight end three.

[Mike Wright]

He's been just say like if I have. If I have Warren and someone comes to me and says, hey, I'll give you Brock Bowers if you give me Warren plus the trade conversation's done. I'm going to laugh in your face. I'll be like, yeah, sure. Okay. I'm going to take the guy who's dominating right now as opposed to Brock Bowers.

[Andy Holloway]

You might, but I don't know if everybody.

[Jason Moore]

You can.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think if everybody. Everybody a spot. You know, new Tyler Warren, he's a rookie coming into the league. I think in some other leagues it might be different. Juwan Johnson 3 for 28. Sam Laporta 3 for 39. Both duds.

[Jason Moore]

Juan Johnson got injured in that game. Right.

[Mike Wright]

He just. He had a play where he looked a little shook up. I don't think anything got officially. Yeah, he did.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. He actually played the same amount of snaps this last week. 90% Sam LaPorta disappointment. TJ Hawkinson disappointment. He's only been above six fantasy points one time this year.

[Mike Wright]

I mean I really thought Hawk would get it done in this game. The fact that there was a complete negative game scripted or I guess positive for what he needs to do and didn't get anything going. I would into the. Into the shadow realm. Hawkinson, I'm done.

[Andy Holloway]

Mark Andrews still had eight targets, was seven for 30. Isaiah likely impressive. Isaiah likely was not targeted.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Isaiah likely played around 45% of the snaps. I believe he's just working his way back in. Andrews did what I mean. Old guys, Andrews, eight targets, seven for 30. Travis Kelsey five for 48. It's just like these are. These are small like Zachary, 2 for 21. Safety valve type of guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Now one of the biggest names I saw actually in the Monday punday, but none that I settled on was David Najoku who was 2 for 11. So David Najoku at this point is Harold Fannin.

[Mike Wright]

Ran more routes than him this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Najoku is 11 yards. He's unplayable.

[Jason Moore]

So I had him in three of my eight main leagues and going into this week I Replaced him everywhere I could. He's unplayable. And Harold Fannin Jr. The rookie who looks awesome and is awesome, equally unplayable. These two guys are taking each other's work. They're splitting a good tight end and they're making into two bad tight ends for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Remember when I said the targets don't matter in Cleveland? Six targets for Harold Fanon. Two catches for Harold Fan. They're not good targets. So far this year, every single one of their receiving options has underproduced from that target to catch ratio.

[Mike Wright]

Before that, he was an 83% catch rate.

[Andy Holloway]

Harold Fannin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's catching the shallow stuff.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. So, I mean, Detroit, terrible week that.

[Andy Holloway]

Was Studs and does. Presented by Lowe's. Lowe's knows Sundays are for NFL football. Earn your Sunday with Lowe's official partner of the NFL. Cedric Tillman will miss weeks. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Does it make you feel better, Jason? It was a. It wasn't just a hamstring injury. It's a bad one.

[Jason Moore]

It certainly made me. Because I put him in my lineup. I. It made me feel much better knowing, like, he missed three fourths of the game. And really the second half is where I was waiting for that kind of, hey, we're down. We got to throw it a lot. They did. They threw it every play to Jerry Judy, who couldn't catch the ball. And so, yeah, I mean, it was. It's nice to know that the process was okay, but it stinks. And I've got Tillman in a handful of places, and so I've got him.

[Mike Wright]

We have another update if you want to pick the pickup of Woody Marks. We have a quote from d'. Amico. Ryan's the Texans coach. He specifically indicated that Joe Mixon is not ready to return at this time. And per sources, it will be much longer, if at all, for Mix and to get back on the field.

[Andy Holloway]

Who's your number one pickup for the week?

[Mike Wright]

Who's my number. I mean, Woody Marks. Woody Marks is.

[Andy Holloway]

He'll be. He'll be the number one pickup. Who else would it be?

[Mike Wright]

I just wanted to make sure. But it's probably Woody.

[Andy Holloway]

37% roster.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Let me ask you a question here.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I won't trade him for Travis Hunter.

[Jason Moore]

I have a league. I have a league where I have lost CD Lamb, Aaron Jones, George Kittle. This is a very deep league. We have three injured reserve spots.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I drafted Joe Mixon.

[Mike Wright]

I. Oh, Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

I caught him in a couple of leagues.

[Jason Moore]

You cut him in a couple?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. When I had limited ir spots. I cut him in a couple of leagues where I wanted to move Aaron Jones.

[Jason Moore]

He got three IR spots, and I'm like, no, I would.

[Andy Holloway]

I would cut. I would cut Joe Mixon. The upside's not there. I mean, even if he got back out on the field in six to eight weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, Woody Marks is there. Nick Chubb is there. Where's the team at that point? Is this team going to compete for the division? Is he going to be good after missing a year?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, or close to it.

[Jason Moore]

Fresh legs.

[Andy Holloway]

I worry about. Worry about the fresh foot. All right, waiver wire tomorrow. Two Monday night Football games for you to enjoy this fine evening.

[Mike Wright]

Both of them Broncos.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Go chase brown. Get 25. Fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Say a prayer for Jason's family, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow on the waivers show. Take care.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

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