Week 4 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, White Hat, Black Hat

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Week 4 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, White Hat, Black Hat Summary

Release Date: October 1, 2018

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Introduction and Announcements

The Fantasy Footballers kicked off Week 4 with their signature energy and camaraderie, as hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delved into the latest developments in the fantasy football landscape. Amidst playful banter about their Halloween-themed attire, Mike humorously noted, “What a time to be alive” (01:02), setting a lighthearted tone for the episode.

A major highlight early in the show was their triumphant announcement: “We have assembled once again the Fantasy Footballers for the first time in the history of the podcast awards, back-to-back champions of not only the sports category but the overall People's Choice Awards” (13:16). This victory underscores their growing influence and expertise in the fantasy football community.

Weekly Rewind: Injuries and Player Performances

The hosts began their Weekly Rewind by discussing significant injuries that could impact fantasy lineups:

• Ty Hilton exited Week 4 with a hamstring injury, prompting concerns about the Chiefs’ receiving options. Andy highlighted, “If Hilton's out... their leading fantasy producer was not Ryan Grant, was not Eric Ebron, was not Chester Rogers” (15:33).

• Leonard Fournette continued his injury woes, with Jason commenting, “Whenever you come back from a hamstring injury and re-aggravate it, that is not something that goes away quickly” (15:37).

• Marquis Goodwin suffered another leg injury, raising questions about his reliability in fantasy lineups. Jason expressed frustration, “Is he a drop this week?” (17:43).

• The tight end landscape was notably thin, with Tyler Ifurt, Rob Gronkowski, and Will Disley all exiting due to injuries. Mike poignantly remarked, “We’re losing four tight ends this week, the landscape is thin as can be” (18:27).

Studs & Duds: Player Performance Analysis

Studs of the Week

• Mitchell Trubisky emerged as a standout performer, throwing for six touchdowns despite limited attempts. Jason proudly stated, “I put. I bodied Mitch Trubisky” (04:07), highlighting Trubisky's unexpected fantasy impact.

• Alshon Jeffrey delivered a dominant performance, despite concerns about his durability. Mike shared, “Alshon Jeffrey came through, played over 83% of the snaps, had an absolutely dominant game” (05:56).

• Calvin Ridley surprised the hosts with two touchdowns on minimal targets, though Andy cautioned, “I think Calvin Ridley is stinking” (12:37), reflecting mixed feelings about his upside versus reliability.

Duds of the Week

• Russell Wilson was a major disappointment, with Jason labeling him a “dud” (56:58). His performance, coupled with injuries and inconsistent play, left fantasy owners scrambling.

• Kenyon Drake was highlighted as one of the biggest busts, having performed poorly over consecutive weeks. Andy lamented, “Kenyon Drake is one of the biggest busts of the season” (60:17).

• Dalvin Cook struggled with a hamstring injury, leading to minimal involvement in the game. Jason expressed his concerns, “The reason he didn't go out was not a pre-game plan pitch count. It was re-aggravation” (60:33).

Rising Stars: Emerging Fantasy Assets

John Brown

Mike spotlighted John Brown as a rising star, noting his transition into an every-week starter and praising his deep-target capability. “John Brown looks extremely healthy. I am ecstatic for John Brown” (51:24).

Sony Michel

Jason identified Sony Michel as his top rising star, commending his significant workload and potential for consistent fantasy production. “Sony Michel is definitely my rising star” (50:37).

Corey Davis

Andy and Jason both lauded Corey Davis for his breakout performance, emphasizing his role as a reliable starter when Marcus Mariota is healthy. Andy enthused, “Corey Davis had 15 targets. Corey Davis had a monster week” (53:10).

White Hat and Black Hat Strategies

The hosts delved into strategic insights, categorized under White Hat (ethical, long-term strategies) and Black Hat (short-term, high-risk plays):

• Aaron Jones Acquisition: Andy passionately advocated for trading Alex Collins for Aaron Jones, asserting, “Please, please. Please find a way to trade Alex Collins in something for Aaron Jones” (41:27). Jason concurred, emphasizing Jones's value despite initial skepticism.

• Amari Cooper Management: Jason provided a nuanced take on Amari Cooper, suggesting that owners either trade him immediately while he’s valuable or employ strategic benching to maximize his performance without affecting the lineup. “You need to trade him immediately while he’s got value and get something for him” (44:43).

• Handling Underperforming Players: The hosts discussed cutting or trading players like Kenyon Drake, Derek Henry, and Chris Godwin based on their disappointing performances and potential future output. Mike advised, “I'm looking at Chris Godwin... I would cut him” (65:16).

Notable Highlights and Insights

• Offensive Explosion: The NFL witnessed an offensive surge with 226 touchdowns scored through Week 4, surpassing previous records. Hosts highlighted, “This is the most touchdown scored through this point of the season” (25:27), emphasizing the evolving nature of offensive play impacting fantasy strategies.

• Quarterback Dynamics: The replaceability of quarterbacks was a recurring theme. Andy shared his experience with Russell Wilson, noting the advantages of streaming quarterbacks based on matchups rather than relying on fixed starters.

• Awards and Community Engagement: Celebrating their recent award wins, the hosts engaged with their community by selecting winners for gift cards, fostering a sense of community and appreciation. “Thank you, thank you” (13:38) expressed their gratitude towards listeners.

Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers provided a comprehensive analysis of Week 4’s fantasy football landscape, offering valuable insights into player performances, injury impacts, and strategic maneuvers. With a mix of humor, expertise, and community engagement, Andy, Jason, and Mike ensured listeners were well-equipped to navigate their fantasy leagues with confidence. As Mike aptly put it, “Enjoy your Monday Night Football game” (69:01), wrapping up a highly informative and entertaining episode.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore: “I put. I bodied Mitch Trubisky” (04:07)
• Mike Wright: “Alshon Jeffrey came through, played over 83% of the snaps, had an absolutely dominant game” (05:56)
• Andy Holloway: “Kenyon Drake is one of the biggest busts of the season” (60:17)
• Jason Moore: “Sony Michel is definitely my rising star” (50:37)
• Andy Holloway: “Please, please. Please find a way to trade Alex Collins in something for Aaron Jones” (41:27)

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Ah.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome in to the show. So much to talk about.

[Mike Wright]

What a time to be alive.

[Andy Holloway]

What a time to be alive. I'm looking at you, Mike, and I. I'm just laughing.

[Mike Wright]

Which part? There's a lot of funny things happening right now.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, you got a Baker Mania shirt on, which is great.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

I love it. It's wonderful. It reminds me of. I mean, this is. You know, we're in October now, aren't we? Yeah. October 1st.

[Mike Wright]

What day is it?

[Jason Moore]

October.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's October. Well, I'm looking at that shirt and it just screams Halloween. I mean, yes, like a monster mash Baker Mania shirt.

[Mike Wright]

I'm very, very folly.

[Andy Holloway]

But you're also wearing a white hat.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And I walked in and it's very rare. Jason. Jason's present as well, I think, sort.

[Jason Moore]

Of physically in body.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So look, my hair has reached a point of no return where it's. It's in that you can't do. Possibly do anything with it. Faze. I need to get. I need to get a trim.

[Andy Holloway]

But you got a white hat and you're wearing a white hat. Yeah, and then so. And then I. I did not shower this morning.

[Jason Moore]

See, I showered.

[Mike Wright]

I just said, well, here was the problem.

[Andy Holloway]

I ran out of time. I was too busy preparing the show.

[Mike Wright]

Here was the problem. I'm in my closet. I'm trying to get ready for the show. I get when I'm like, oh, it's Baker Mania time. I'm juiced up. I'm ready.

[Andy Holloway]

You're juiced up for the loss and whatever.

[Mike Wright]

I don't care. I don't care about that. But the rest of my hats are cardinal hats.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, mine too. That's why I didn't.

[Mike Wright]

I can't wear a cardinal hat in a Cleveland Browns shirt. That just is ridiculous.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the funny part is Jason walked in, he thought we were doing a gag.

[Jason Moore]

I wondered. I was like, oh, great. What does this represent of my horrific week? And because, Andy, you have a solid black hat on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And, Mike, I've never seen you in a hat in my life, and you have a solid white hat. I walked in and went, oh.

[Andy Holloway]

So we were like, black and white, good and evil. And I normally wear a cardinal hat. And after that.04 start.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I don't blame you.

[Andy Holloway]

I couldn't wear a cardinal hat. So I pivoted to this pure black Phoenix Suns hat. And now we've got. I mean, this is like devil on your shoulder, angel on your shoulder. Jason, you're in the middle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm.

[Andy Holloway]

And I think the devil's been talking to you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's. That's fair. It was. Look, I apologize for nothing.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, good for you.

[Jason Moore]

Good for you. Okay. I put. I bodied Mitch Trubisky. Mitchell Trubisky. And of course, of course, yes. Jay Grizz and I, we got in a little fight. We've made up. Oh, my goodness. I mean, the number one quarterback on the week, six touchdowns. He could have thrown 22. Yes, he could have, but they didn't because, you know, so amazing. And here's my actual stance. First of all, you're welcome, Bears fans. Mitchell was listening, and he was like, watch this.

[Mike Wright]

The Jason guy's mean.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And so he went in and coughed.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm never going to be a good quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

A 2. Why does Mitchell sound like that?

[Andy Holloway]

I'll show him.

[Jason Moore]

3.

[Mike Wright]

Pre pubescent gangster.

[Jason Moore]

I look nobody. Nobody in the world. I don't care how big a Mitchell Trubisky fan you are. Saw a six touchdown game coming this week, but I. I was on record every time I blasted him, saying, this is a good week for him. I was the one getting grief when I'm like, I would be willing to start him this week. And you guys are like, true. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You got grief because the sandwich. If the. If the middle of the sandwich was, I'd be willing to start him this week. Both sides of the sandwich were never going to be a good quarterback for the history of the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

No. I deserve every ounce of grief I'm getting 100%. It's just.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's nice that Mitch did it.

[Jason Moore]

And then it was if I just want to complete the crap on Jason parade here because it's deserved. Yes. This is the opposite of my usual toot. Toot. This is the.

[Mike Wright]

Different kind of toot.

[Jason Moore]

I quote, tweeted. I think it was Schefter. Yes. A different kind of toot. I believe it was Schefter who announced unexpectedly that Chris Carson was not active. I quote that I Quote, tweet that with start your pennies. Rashad. Penny. Man, this was rough day for Jason. I feel like my rankings were okay this week, but those two pieces of information, I'm. I'm in full depression and you're. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Your league of record team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, sweet mercy.

[Andy Holloway]

Look one Alex Collins glumble.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Had Alex you the win, not fumble on the goal line, I would have won. Instead, I am on four. And here's the deal. Here's the deal, folk land. Mike. Mike actually messaged me.

[Mike Wright]

I did.

[Jason Moore]

And he said, look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful because he knew I was in a dark, dark, dark, dark, dark place. He's like, but if you are selling and you want to make trades, I want to talk to you. So that's the right thing. I mean, you go to the 04.

[Andy Holloway]

Teams with the white hat on and.

[Jason Moore]

Everything, buy their pieces.

[Mike Wright]

At that time, it was only the white hat, though. But I was going for it.

[Jason Moore]

But I am a buyer, not a seller. Good for you. I am not selling this year. I am going to make the playoffs. I am going to take down the title. I've said this a while. If I am owing 5 next week, we'll see what happens. And I will be sweating blood, but I will probably.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, this show may go on forever because we have the weekly rewind studs duds, rising stars. And there is a lot to talk about this week, including a huge announcement. Patrick Mahomes is just.

[Mike Wright]

We'll get to there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, I was going to say Patrick Mahomes tonight. Chiefs Broncos. I need. I need Patty touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

To win me a couple of leagues. Try to go four and Owen Dynasty Brooks. I am. I have no plans to lose to you this year. So, you know, you were the thorn in my undefeated season and I'm going to overcome you this year. I was going to say, I don't.

[Jason Moore]

Think you were planning on it last year either. Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Quick question of the day. Who is the most surprising fantasy performance of the weekend? Who surprised you the most? For me, it was Tariq Cohen.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, 13 for 53 on the ground, seven for 121 and one through the air. And really, it was the impact on Jordan Howard in a game in which they absolutely disintegrated the Tampa Bay defense. To see Tariq come out and do what he did, does it give you pause? Does it give you excitement for Tariq? Or is this just an outlier game where he was Part of the game plan and business as usual for Jordan Howard. Because this has happened before.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Howard had a couple tough games a couple years ago. Everyone jumped off the bandwagon and then he was pretty much the number one running back.

[Jason Moore]

Part of the reason that I thought this would be a decent game for Mitchell Trubisky is because of the Tampa Bay defense. They have been so beatable through the air. I mean, they cannot stop a soul despite their 2 and 1 record going into this game. It was on the basis of Ryan Fitz Magic and his passing game.

[Andy Holloway]

So unfortunately, Winston cannot play safety.

[Jason Moore]

Right. So, yeah, I mean, I think this was a game script thing. And coming into this season, one of the worries about Jordan Howard was when Matt Nagy came out and basically said he's going to plan games based on the opponent and maybe it'll be Howard, maybe it'll be Tariq Cohen. So it does. It does give you a little bit of worry. But I'm. I still think it's clear that Jordan Howard is going to be the dominant back on the majority of the season.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I think it was a game script thing. This was the. It was the highest amount of offensive snaps that Tariq had played throughout the season. He was sitting, you know, right around that 40%, jumped up to over 47% and saw a bunch of opportunities. So I think this was more. They knew how to beat Tampa Bay. I'm going to jump in here. My surprising player of the weekend. It was. We weren't sure he was going to play. He has not played all year. Then he had an illness. But Alshon Jeffrey came through, played over 83% of the snaps, had an absolutely dominant game, a monster game for Alshon Jeffrey. And it was. I couldn't play him in the Dynasty league. I could not play Alshon Jeffrey. I was too nervous to. With his. With it being his first game back. And for all the people out there, you got burned by Alshon Jeffrey. Just look around, you know, we see it happen all the time this exact weekend. Doug Baldwin came back from the injuries. Do I play Doug Baldwin? And it was probably shouldn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Leonard Fournette came back from injury.

[Mike Wright]

Leonard Fournette.

[Andy Holloway]

And so for Dalvin Cook came back from an injury this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So I let you down.

[Mike Wright]

The process is still in favor of. You should wait a week on these guys. But Alshon Jeffrey looks like he's ready to play, which is fantastic news going forward. Even if the. Even if my bench scored a bunch of points.

[Jason Moore]

Right. We have a. We have a Lot more history of players coming back and at best being average in week one. At worst, just, you know, coming back and then having to leave the game and completely goosing you. Then we, then we have history of guys coming back from injury and game one is just like, oh, you can't miss that game. For me, obviously, look, Mitchell Trubisky, I think surprised the world more than anybody. And I could pick him.

[Mike Wright]

He's surprised himself.

[Jason Moore]

Jason. Yeah, he, I could and should pick him. But I've got to go with Mark Davis because clearly I did not.

[Andy Holloway]

What about Mike Davis?

[Jason Moore]

Mike. Mike Davis. This is how tilt Mark Davis. The. Was that the owner for the Raiders? Yeah, yeah, there we go.

[Andy Holloway]

His hair.

[Jason Moore]

Mark Davis have always surprised me. Dude's a billionaire. He gets a cut.

[Andy Holloway]

What, they put a regular bowl on top of his head and just.

[Jason Moore]

No, but no, Mike Davis was the most surprising to me because if Chris Carson was gone and you spent a first round draft pick on a running back who was healthy and active, you know, Rashad Penny played 24% of the snaps. I just, I was shocked. I mean that was as surprising as anything to me. 21 Trust the patriot or the. Yeah, that's the normal saying. But you cannot trust Chris Carson and the Seattle running back.

[Andy Holloway]

Last two weeks though, Chris Carson, Mike Davis were both 20 plus points. 21 for one on one and two touchdowns for Mike Davis. I watched Rashad Penny run. My reaction is that Rashad Penny is overweight, fat. He does not. His. His. His giddy up and go. His. His jukes look like not what he looked like in college.

[Mike Wright]

He doesn't look.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he does not look like the same man from a year ago.

[Andy Holloway]

And no, that's true. And then the water bet results from the weekend. Mike, he whooped me with the anunnois over Keelan Cole. Bad week for Cole. Great opportunity for a new wat to win him a water bet. And then Jason barely beat Mike and this one is touchdowns over receptions. But Ridley, Calvin Ridley, he does not.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'm saying this.

[Jason Moore]

Not at all.

[Mike Wright]

But those Calvin stinks because Calvin Ridley played even fewer snaps this past week and he just happened to come through with two touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Calvin Ridley 4 for 54 and 2. I'm going to lean on process over results here myself. I put the pump the brakes on Ridley, which by default means he's gonna have a great week. But less snaps than the week before, less targets than Muhammad Sanu ends up with two touchdowns. Tyler Boyd 11 for 100. But Jason beat Mike in that water bet. So this was the, this is the big announcement. Mike, I think you, you're kind of the.

[Mike Wright]

We have assembled once again the fantasy footballers for the first time in the history of the podcast awards, back to back to back, champions of not only the sports category, but the overall People's Choice Awards. Thank you so much. It felt fantastic. I'm still soaring over the clouds with the Eagles.

[Andy Holloway]

And not the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Mike Wright]

No, no. But just the bald ones.

[Andy Holloway]

The bald ones.

[Mike Wright]

The bald ones, they're good. They're good at soaring. What I hear and thank you to help celebrate that, to bring you in, bring you into the celebration. We grabbed three members from supporters [e-mail] so Kevin Hamilton, Jordan Archer, and Richard Delazine, you are the lucky winners of a $55 gift card to shopballers.com as of just a way to say thank you for supporting us through this awards process. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Yeah, that. Now that's big news. No one's ever, no one's ever done that. Yeah, but the Foot Clan, you know, they are mighty. They kind of, you know, undefeated. Yeah. Trekking over new ground. All right, let's. Let's go and get into the rewind.

[Jason Moore]

Weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a crazy week. I mean, there are a lot of fantasy implications. The waiver show is going to be jam packed too, because there are decisions to be made. But here, let's go through the injuries and the weekly rewind. Ty Hilton exited Week 4 with a hamstring injury, and head coach Frank Reich has said he's not going to play on Thursday, most likely against the Patriots. And so you're going to be looking at other options and they're probably going to be throwing the ball. So if Hilton's out, their leading fantasy producer was not Ryan Grant, was not Eric Ebron, was not Chester Rogers. It was Zach Pascal. Six for 81 and a touchdown. I believe Rogers also had a touchdown. Ryan Grant did. He was targeted. But, you know, in that short and intermediate and then Ebron, I mean, who's the biggest beneficiary there? If you have to pick a name right now, is it Ebron?

[Jason Moore]

It would be if he can get back on the field. I think it would be Jack Doyle, but yeah, Ebron.

[Andy Holloway]

In the meantime, Leonard Fernet, hamstring injury left week four. This guy cannot get healthy, this dude.

[Jason Moore]

Whenever you come back from a hamstring injury and re aggravate it, that is not something that goes away quickly, heals quickly, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the team's going to take more time. Yeah, right. If you came back too soon and you already had missed two weeks. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Was he missing?

[Andy Holloway]

That's the reason he's missing three.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, he could miss a month. I wouldn't, I wouldn't doubt that.

[Andy Holloway]

Either Leonard Fournette is injury prone or Leonard Fournette does not perceive when he should actually return to a game. That is what's going on with Leonard Fournette. Like if he thinks he's. He tweeted this big tweet. I'm back, baby. Short lived. And now Fournette owners are regretting that draft pick.

[Mike Wright]

My man Fournette, he's got to get into yoga. This dude needs to stretch it out.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm still convinced Jason and my hamstrings are far worse than Leonard Fournette.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that is true.

[Andy Holloway]

We have been publicly humiliated at the gym for the lack of flexibility and only Jason makes me look okay. So thank you for that.

[Jason Moore]

You're welcome.

[Andy Holloway]

Marquis Goodwin exited again. Leg injury. You know, George Kittle had the monster game and Kittle led the team in targets.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's going to continue to be a monster.

[Andy Holloway]

And we did say this last week. We said the one. We said the two players that have a chance to be fine, if not better were Breida, who by the way had his highest snap count percentage of the season, still averaging 7.8 yards per touch, and George Kittle. And that proved to be true under CJ Beathard. Dante Pettis suffered a knee injury on a punt return. Don't know the severity of it. They don't think it's going to be serious.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it did not look good in the moment. It looked like it was.

[Andy Holloway]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, the way that he was reacting seemed like a season ender.

[Andy Holloway]

But Marquis Goodwin, I mean, what do you do with him in fantasy? Because you've lost Jimmy Garoppolo. The magical connection. Now he's injured again. Is he a drop this week?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. There's a lot of players that I think you're going to want to pick up that you're going to want to play. And will Goodwin have a few more good games?

[Mike Wright]

Probably sure.

[Jason Moore]

Because he's got that, you know, elite top speed. He can get over the top. You're not going to know when to start him. It's going to be hard pressed to pick those right matchups and actually get the points he puts up. So I think there's a lot of players out there I'd rather have than Goodwin.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Goodwin might be. Let Someone else deal with the problem.

[Andy Holloway]

I tend to agree. I tend to agree. Tyler Ifert unfortunately suffered a broken ankle in week four. This was a difficult week for tight end injuries. Rob Gronkowski was forced from the game with an ankle injury. You had Will Disley.

[Jason Moore]

Who.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what? Oh, I've got to give him a final goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Commemorative Sweet Moose edition.

[Andy Holloway]

Is the. Is the Sweet Moose in, in here?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know, but Big Montana, Will Disley, you burn bright.

[Jason Moore]

We're pouring one out for you. Miss you.

[Mike Wright]

We'll see you next year. Will, however, get healthy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That's unfortunate.

[Jason Moore]

I have been saying this for a little while, and I know you guys since the off season. I know nobody wants to come on board with me. It's a very lonely car, but Ed Dixon's gonna be. It's gonna be. Yeah, it's not like a train yet. It's not like an empty bandwagon.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a one seater.

[Jason Moore]

It's a vehicle. It's a motorcycle, but it's a car. That's what I was going to go with. Sure, that's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

And I still disagree with you. I still think Nick Vannette is the biggest beneficiary here.

[Jason Moore]

Dixon is going to be a thing when he gets back.

[Andy Holloway]

Is there a way to water bet that Ed Dixon isn't a thing? Is there a way I can do that? By the way, the other injury, O.J. howard, he left the knee injury in the second quarter. He's getting an mri. They don't think it's serious, but they don't know. And this is. This is like. You lose four tight ends this week, the landscape is thin as can be. You have all these platoons. You can't pick a Ravens tight end. You can't, you know, when Doyle's back, you probably can't pick Colts tight end. Cameron Bray is going to be a thing. Can I bet Cameron Brait being a thing over Ed Dixon being a thing?

[Jason Moore]

No, because I agree that, I mean, if O.J. howard is gone. O.J. or if O.J. howard is Gone. Cameron Brait is a great.

[Mike Wright]

He's become one of the top pickups.

[Jason Moore]

Must pick up, especially with Winston throwing the ball.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Will Fuller got hurt again. Hamstring injury. Bill O'Brien thinks he could have played in the second half, but Will Fuller has been prone to injury, so we need to see if he probably, you know, he scored in this game, didn't he?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I believe so.

[Andy Holloway]

And he did it early, so at least he got you some points. But monitor that Geronimo. Allison got concussed week to week. If Cobb and Allison are out, you're going to have to pay attention to. I mean, Jimmy Graham's target is going to go up and then Marquez, Valdez. Scantling.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, certainly. But I would. I'll throw Ty Montgome into the mix. You saw his utilization early in that game as a receiver. I think Ty Montgomery becomes very important.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, few more notes here. Earl Thomas, broken leg. Now, this was a clean break. No additional damage. He should be available for free agency, however. I mean, this sucks. It just. He was carted off the field. Everybody knew that he had broken his leg and this is why he held out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I've never in my life seen a player going off to the sideline, give a finger to their sideline. That was not the thumb. And Right. You know, that, that just shows. Like this is why. And I saw Le'Veon Bell commenting on Earl Thomas's injury with, with on social media, just saying, I'll keep playing the, you know, quote, bad guy. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

This definitely helped fuel Levy on Bell and his stance of I'm not going to play without a contract.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. The chart, you know, and the Seahawks can't trade him now. They can't get compensation. So they. There was this big story. They're holding out for a second round pick. Well, that didn't help them either. So. Mark Walden, concussion potential.

[Jason Moore]

Hey. Hey, Geo, how's it going? Hey, Joe, can you fill in for me while I'm going? Say how do you motherfucker me?

[Andy Holloway]

Joe Mixon should be back next week. You should be excited about that. This team's playing.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'd be far more excited if Mark Waltenberg could actually get some play.

[Andy Holloway]

Time to say goodbye to Ryan Fitzpatrick, replaced by Jameis Winston in the second half. Winston actually had a great completion percentage, did throw two picks. But those are still completions.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Just. They were not dropped.

[Mike Wright]

Like, that's. This is what James is.

[Andy Holloway]

Two picks for. Jameis is still. I mean, Ryan Fitzpatrick is prone to them as well. And he was trying to do. Do whatever he could in that, in that game. If you listen to Cutter, Cutter said probably. They asked him, they said, has he done enough to keep the job? He said, probably. We'll talk about it this week. And then Chris Carson didn't play. Cobb, Corey Clement, surprise and active. Darren Sprols didn't play. Marlon Mack didn't play. Remember, Robert Turbin is back this week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So anybody getting excited about Heinz needs to temper it. Just A little bit. Not that he. He's not interesting, but I'm not interested myself. I'm too busy of a backfield.

[Mike Wright]

I'm becoming more and more interested.

[Andy Holloway]

Jack Doyle and then Joe Mix and Devonta Freeman didn't play as well. So there you have it.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into the sub.

[Jason Moore]

Muffins, this week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

And as we enter the studio talking about the biggest fantasy performers of the week, I want to highlight a couple of things just to kind of illuminate what's happening this year because this has been an offensive explosion to the tune of 226 touchdowns scored. Last year at this time, there was 187 touchdowns scored. This is the most touchdown scored through this point of the season. This is per Scott Barrett since 2007. 7. And you have a league wide high of 65% completion percentage. You have a touchdown percentage every 19.9 pass attempts. And Adam Schefter just tweeted this. So far There have been 12 quarterbacks who have thrown for at least 400 yards in a game this season. That's the most in NFL history through the first four weeks. That's incredible. And you can feel it.

[Mike Wright]

Just look at your fantasy scoring. I mean. Yeah, I take a look at ours. You know, a good week is if you score 110 points, you're going to win. Not anymore. Yeah, not through the first four weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

There were better be putting up 135.

[Jason Moore]

Individual 400 yard passing performances this week, which is the most in a single week in NFL history.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And we still have a game to go. I was over under on two more 400 yard passers tonight.

[Mike Wright]

Under, under. I'm not going to take the over on Mahomes and Keenum. Nope.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, this is one of the reasons why the quarterback position is replaceable. It's one of the reasons why when I was offered for Big Ben Roethlisberger this week because I had drafted Big Ben, I had signed Mahomes and I had. I still had them both on my team because Big Ben was the top five guy, I didn't even think about not trading him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's also.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, who cares? You can go sign another five guys. Dalton exploded.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It's also another one of the reasons why when you draft an early quarterback, it often comes back to bite you. I think about my situation in the league of record where I have gone 04 because I had accumulated so many picks and I wasn't drafting early. I mean, it was like my 10th pick, but I was. Russell Wilson was still on the board. I take him. And so you play Russell. Right. You play Russell every week. Except he's crapped all over me. If I had picked up Andy Dalton and played him this week, you know, I win if I'm streaming the matchups and playing off the waivers. It's just such a winning strategy and it kind of. It feels weird to be on this side of it where I'm playing Russell week in, week out. I don't usually have one of those top quarterback options and it stinks. It takes away some.

[Mike Wright]

You're locked in.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me ask you this genuine question is and maybe there's two of them, is Patrick. I was going to ask if Patrick Mahomes is the only locked in guaranteed start every week no matter what right now. Aaron Rodgers, he went into the week ranked 11th. He only scored 17 fantasy points in our league scoring. I think one touchdown. Like who's the auto start at the position is? I mean I guess Rogers at the auto start. Yeah, I guess Mahomes, I would say. And then Cam Newton.

[Jason Moore]

That was the name I was going to throw out there. Cam Newton.

[Andy Holloway]

But otherwise, I mean it's just interesting. Maybe Kirk Cousins too.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Cousins is approaching that.

[Andy Holloway]

So Trubisky 354 and 6. Jared Goff 465 and 5.

[Jason Moore]

Literally nobody beat Schmidt this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Andrew Locke 464 and 4. Kirk Cousins with the big week. Derek Carr 437 and 4 on 58 pass attempts.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that means it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, luck had 62 attempts. Derek Carr 58 attempts.

[Jason Moore]

I believe at one point while we were watching the Colts game go on forever, Andy, Andy genuinely asked. He's like, does hand. Does Andrew Luck have a thousand yards right now? It's just like every time you watch another big chunk play, here's another 20 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, and they kept him in for the hail Mary just to show you that he could throw. It wasn't that. It wasn't that impressive. It pro quarterback can throw a Hail Mary.

[Mike Wright]

It got there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, sort of. Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan, the machine Matt Ryan looks like he may be set up for now.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Ryan. Did we say him?

[Jason Moore]

No, but he's an every week start is an every week start right now. Especially with his upcoming schedule.

[Mike Wright]

Oh my goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

For Tampa, New York with how bad his defense is. Yeah, his defense stinks.

[Jason Moore]

I feel so bad. Yes, for Falcons fans, you were set up. You not only were you set up, you look great. Your team and your offense at Matt Ryan is playing at the same level, if not better. That got you to the Super Bowl. It looks like Calvin Ridley is legit. But your defense sucks so much that if you don't score 50, you lose the game.

[Andy Holloway]

But this is not. This is kind of a theme right now as well throughout the league.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

Pittsburgh, Ryan Fitzpatrick and that whoever's playing quarterback for Tampa. Look, if Winston's a starter, how do you not start him?

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Andy Holloway]

Their defense is going to give up 60 points. I mean, this is A theme throughout the league right now. I mean even Minnesota without Everson Griffin and then DeSean Watson. Big week. Andy Dalton started the week. Big week. Blake Bortles back on track with 388 and two and Philip Rivers had a very nice passing.

[Mike Wright]

Numbers are just insane.

[Andy Holloway]

No, they really are. They really are. Running backs Ezekiel Elliott being used in the passing game downfield, 4 for 88 and a touchdown through the air.

[Jason Moore]

And he has been all year. That's one thing you cannot lose sight of. He has been used in the passing game so much every single week, the whole season and that's including last week where he had a down the field receiving touchdown that was brought back. Well, I mean by.

[Andy Holloway]

He hasn't really. I was going to say that's not really true. No, it is. 17 yards receiving, 9 yards receiving, but 11 yards opportun.

[Jason Moore]

Talking about targets and receptions, I realized that they haven't broken long again. The penalty of stepping out of bounds and then coming back in last week took away like a 40 yard reception. But in the game, the game script, they are using him in the passing game and so he could very well end up the number two.

[Andy Holloway]

James White. Eight for 44 and a touchdown on the ground. Eight for 68 and a touchdown through the air. Boy, it's nice to have a New England backfield that is broken up into just two people. Sonny. Michelle.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

25 for 112 and a touchdown. Congratulations Georgia running backs. Sony Michelle. Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb. I heard this this morning. There have been 1200 players. I heard this on Dan Pat. Credit to Dan. Patrick Schuber pulling this stat out. There have been twelve hundred players in the history of the NFL that have had one hundred yards and two touchdowns in a game. Twelve hundred players. There is only one in the history of the N.F.L. that have done it on three carries or less. Three carries for Nick Chubb. One hundred and five yards and two touchdowns. Zero targets barely on the field and yet broke the long plays. We talked about Mike Davis and Tree Cohen. Big weeks. Naim Heinz.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, big.

[Andy Holloway]

I think Naim Hines is massive fool's gold. That's my opinion. He because he scored two touchdowns and Marlon Mack and Robert Turbin are both going to be involved in this backfield throughout the season. But nice game. 9 for 63 through the air, 69% of snaps.

[Mike Wright]

He is.

[Andy Holloway]

And that was the key there. But they were, they were on the comeback trail.

[Mike Wright]

He is Chris Thompson light and the super light. That's how I view him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think he's Going to be one of those more matchup plays this week though. They're going to need him because of health and injury issues. We talked about whether we don't know if Jack Doyle is going to be there and we know that Ty Hilton's not going to be there and they're playing New England. So you have to imagine the Patriots are going to score and you're only.

[Andy Holloway]

If Mac is out though, right? If Mack is not. If Mack and Turbin are active on game day this week, I think you still play Naim Heinz, I think.

[Jason Moore]

I don't think he's any kind of must start but if you're in a PPR league, he probably has a high enough floor in the passing game. I think he's established himself as the passing back here when the other guys get back. Robert Turbin was never the, you know, a passing specialist type of guy.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, with Do I play Hines?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, if Knack and Turban are active.

[Mike Wright]

I completely agree with what Jason's saying. I think that his role as the passing downs guy is secure.

[Andy Holloway]

Todd Gurley, 17 for 83. No touchdowns, four for 73 and one through the air. Gio Bernard.

[Jason Moore]

Shouldn't Gurley be in the pooped in his big boy pants section?

[Andy Holloway]

You mean because he only scored 25?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he only had like 150 and 11 touchdown. Pathetic. Out of here.

[Andy Holloway]

Geo loser. Geo is 15 for 69 but two touchdowns on the ground. He's going to end up in that top 12 this week. And I think I'll go right back to being pretty irrelevant once Joe mixed in, of course. And the number one running back in football continued to be the number one running back in football. Alvin Camara this week did it on the ground. Super.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he did.

[Mike Wright]

Super. Camario is on pace for 1100 rushing yards and over 1300 receiving yards.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, sorry, David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

But week four is over. Mark Ingram is out of his suspension. What happens to Alvin Camara? Does this go back to what it was last year, which was still plenty fine for Alvin Camara? Or I think this has he. Has he earned a role that maybe Mark Ingram's not as involved as we've.

[Andy Holloway]

He's not done this on the backup like this specific game was 19 carries. The game before 16. The game before is 13. He's still been the number one guy. He had 15 targets in a game. I barely downgrade Camara.

[Jason Moore]

Right. I think that he's not doing anything different this year than he did towards the second half of last year. This is what you've been getting in Camara, you're going to.

[Mike Wright]

The carries is a lot higher. The carry last year he never had over 12 carries in a game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So take away.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, we expected that to happen this year. Right. Because Ingram was out and because Camara did have a workload like this to where his, his snap percentage and carry percentage changed over the course of the.

[Jason Moore]

Season, especially if you paid attention in the playoffs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, exactly. And so Camara's. Camara, I mean, he's a otherworldly free talent.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Breaks every leg tackle that comes his way. And this team is going to win on his back. And look, Ingram's going to be great too.

[Jason Moore]

But you know, the one thing that I have learned, we always talk about this on a holistic approach. We want to remind ourselves to take two steps back, learn things every year, Right? Yeah. You take two steps back, take one.

[Mike Wright]

Anyways, too forward, then too bad.

[Jason Moore]

There you go.

[Mike Wright]

We call that the David Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

You know, opposites, they attract. But getting back here to the point is that one. One of the lessons that I've learned is that when you watch a player who is otherworldly on film, you just see him and they, you could just. Every time they touch the ball, you go, he's so good. You have to stop doing the metric opposition. Three players come to mind, right. Juju Smith, Schuster. He was my, my heart over mind guy because I was just so in love with him. Every time he touched the ball, he just looked so good. But he was too efficient. Tyreek Hill, you know, it's like he always is running away from guys getting free, but it was just too efficient. He's not going to have the volume. Same with Alvin Camara. But when you watch these guys and they are just two steps better than the rest of their opposition, you have to just believe in them and not say, oh, they're not going to get enough touches. I think that's a lesson I'm learning going forward.

[Mike Wright]

I think the argument though is that if they were to receive the same volume, then they're not going to produce. And like Juju Juju had through four games, Juju has 49 targets. But the juju's opportunity skyrocketed. Right.

[Jason Moore]

But the reason for that is because of how great they have been on the field, they're not going to go away from the best players.

[Andy Holloway]

I agree with Jason and I think that you have to be more forward thinking now in fantasy football as well. We open this segment telling you that you have unprecedented offensive statistics for the first time since 2007, NFL offenses are changing. You've had multiple teams now use multiple quarterbacks with Lamar Jackson, Joe Flacco, Taysom Hill and Drew Brees. Offenses are changing, production is changing, penalties. And what's being called is changing some of the precedent, not all. I mean, you still have to lean on those efficiency metrics for a lot of different things. But when the NFL changes, you don't want your fantasy team to be stuck three, four years ago in the past. So efficiency is going up with certain players in certain situations. And I do think you have to take a leap on talent.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Did David Johnson do enough to have you sing, Mike? I mean, I didn't get to 100 on the ground, so that might not be.

[Jason Moore]

David Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

22 for 71 and a touchdown on the ground. 3 for 41 on four targets through the air. Look, Rosen made the offense look a lot better. Here's an interesting stat. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen and Josh Allen healthy. Oh, and for this week, yeah, the rookies didn't get it done by way of victories, but Josh Rosen did make the offense look better. Larry Fitzgerald dropped a touchdown in this game. He dropped three, three passes.

[Jason Moore]

Which is obviously not the, the normal thing that Larry Fitzgerald hall of Fame hands.

[Andy Holloway]

But do you, I mean, this was, I wanted to point out, his hands.

[Mike Wright]

Are going to be inducted.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they're going to take him. Do you make or break? We, we brought up make or break players on the show. David Johnson was the make or break for Jason. This was a make week.

[Jason Moore]

This was a make week. I mean, this was what you hoped was that the Cardinals could sustain offense enough for him to be able to do this. This is not a fantastic game. But it wasn't like the Cardinals offense was great. They were just average. And if David Johnson's putting up near 20 points on your fantasy roster like he did this week, week in, week out, you're going to be fine. Look, you're sad that it's not Zeke, you're sad that it's not Gurley levels where you've got that 35 points from one position. But this is not a freak out. This is not a, this is why we said after his down week, don't sell him low if you still don't believe you're going to be able to get value now for him if you want to move on.

[Andy Holloway]

But I probably will hold monstrous week for Marshawn lynch. Should have had a long touchdown in the worst officiated game I've ever seen in the NFL. History. Marshawn should have a long touchdown. Baker said it had another fumble. And then ultimately that first down overturned on Carlos side was bewildering that they found enough evidence to overturn a first down. No, no, no. I'm talking about specifically the. Oh, you're talking about the fumble was car. But I'm talking about the call on Carlos Hyde where they got the first down enough evidence to overturn it, which cost the Browns the game.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And that, that forward progress stopped the call of nonsense. That was the Browns defense should have had a fumble recovery for six and.

[Andy Holloway]

Then high alert here. Do everything you can to get Aaron Johnson. Please, please. I've said it for two weeks. Please, please, please do it. Led the team snaps 11 for 65 and a touchdown on the ground so far and away the best running back on this team. And the talent of Aaron Jones, the ability, the confidence of Aaron Rodgers. Please go trade for him. Please find a way to trade Alex Collins in something for Aaron Jones. You can probably trade Alex Collins for Aaron Jones. This is just Andy's public service announcement. If you want to win your league, that's all I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

That sounds very important because he is the most affordable. What about Jason?

[Andy Holloway]

He's the most affordable game winner or league winner.

[Jason Moore]

So here's my question. So you are not worried about just the fact that even if he, even if. Let's give him the snap lead, he's going to be the leader in snap percentages. Jamal Williams is not going away and going to disappear and Ty Montgomery is not going away. If you watched, you know, I went back last year and watched every single snap of the Green Bay running backs. And what they did last year is what they've done a lot this year, which is complete drive rotation. One guy comes in like when last year when they were all healthy, it would be a drive of Jamal Williams, a drive of time. Montgomery. If the drive is two plays or if it's 12 plays, it's the same player. You don't worry about that utilization?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. I don't worry about that utilization. I worry not at all. Because Aaron Jones's workload and opportunity are going to increase with his effectiveness. He is averaging 6.3 yards per carry on the season. That's going to do enough.

[Jason Moore]

I will say this. It's ironic that this discussion comes up right after me taking a step back and saying when you see a player who is just straight up more talented, sometimes you just need to trust that over the touches, the opportunity, which is it's difficult.

[Mike Wright]

So are you trusting Aaron Jones because you know he's better?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I. Absolutely. I've never denied that. I've. I've claimed that from the get go. I just didn't think the opportunity would be there. He's leading an opportunity now, so, yeah, I guess I've got to go. Do whatever it takes to get Aaron Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, double the yards per carry right now on the ground. If pass protection becomes a thing he's more competent in or they need a spark, I think he's going to be that spark, but we'll see. Golden Tate, big week. We're in the studs at the wide receiver position. I knew this was going to be a long show. There's just so much to talk about this weekend. Golden Tate went from, you know, being announced as he's going to play in this game, he's not too hurt, to 8. 8 for 132 and two touchdowns on eight targets. Hopkins balled out 10 for 169 and a touchdown on 12 targets. And if Will Fuller misses more time, yep, he's going to soak up Hopkins level targets, which is really hard to sustain.

[Mike Wright]

15 target guy.

[Andy Holloway]

But Cooper Cup. We know he had the monster week. Corey Davis, welcome to the NFL.

[Jason Moore]

Mercy.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to the NFL. Corey Davis, nine for 161 and a touchdown. We need not say more because he shall be featured shortly. Adam Thielen. Another great week. Diggs saw him on Thursday night. Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

You had a dream about Amari Cooper. You also talked about the fact that when you bench Amari Cooper, he explodes. You told people to bench him. He exploded for 8 for 128 in a touchdown. And you told him to. You said. You said bench him. So he explodes. So you trade him.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, but I also said you could start. Here's what I realized.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, you said Benjamin and start him. I don't remember. Honestly, I'm not calling you out. I have no idea.

[Jason Moore]

Honestly, I said this is a week where everyone's going to want to bench him so you can start him. And I think that, look, if you can't start him in a matchup like this, then when can you? But I realized what you need to do with Cooper. You need to bench him. And moments before. Oh, trick off.

[Mike Wright]

Trick him.

[Jason Moore]

You slide him back into the roster and then he thinks he's benched, he's got no pressure. And then he goes out there and he performs. Or more realistically, trade him immediately. Trade him right now while he's got value and get Something for him. Because the living the Cooper life sucks.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, you lived it this week on your bench.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I did. Yes, I did.

[Andy Holloway]

It came to, like I told you.

[Jason Moore]

My philosophy with Cooper in a different league, I'd rather have him blow up on my bench, then crap in my lineup.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, wow. That's a pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

That's a good phrase. It sucks.

[Andy Holloway]

Also known as don't own Amari Cooper.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you need to cut him or.

[Jason Moore]

Trade him, which is ironic.

[Mike Wright]

Wasting a spot on your bench had.

[Jason Moore]

I put him in over Alex Collins. I don't want to talk about this.

[Andy Holloway]

Dante Moncrief, five for 109 and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Not just five for 109 with a touchdown. The best touchdown celebration of the season, possibly all time. Moncrief. When Keelan Cole runs up to celebrate with Dante Moncrief and he says, I can't find my base. I can't find my base. Keelan. And then Keelan says, oh, don't worry about it, Dante. I found it.

[Andy Holloway]

Unzip the base case, pulled the base out, handed it to Moncrief, and then.

[Mike Wright]

Just, oh, incredibly sexy Basswhip. I mean, this. This man. Get Moncrief more touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

Can we get this out on Twitter, Brooks?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, we can.

[Mike Wright]

We get that little celebration.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, can you go ahead and gift that up for us?

[Mike Wright]

I'll work on it.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I saw it and sometimes you need some motivation.

[Jason Moore]

Moncrief is Amari Cooper light. Right. Because. Yep. He kind of stinks.

[Andy Holloway]

He has such one long touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. He has such a problem, you know, catching football passes. Yes, exactly. And that's bad for a wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Moncrief vs. The Kansas City Chiefs next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Give me Cole. Give me Westbrook. 9 for 1.

[Jason Moore]

30.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't ask those. I said, who would you play? Moncrief.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. Against Kansas City, I think. Yeah. No, I think the one thing Moncrief has always been able to do is score a touchdown. Slap that base.

[Andy Holloway]

Uh huh.

[Jason Moore]

And it gets Kansas City. It's a. It's a good.

[Andy Holloway]

Deedee Westbrook had 13 targets. Dante Moncrief had five. If Dante Moncrief does not have one really long base slap.

[Mike Wright]

Wait.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Dee Dee, you are sad, sad, sad. Didi had a monstrous week and I think people want to know. Keelan Cole, only two catches. Dee Dee Westbrook, nine catches.

[Mike Wright]

Why?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, part of the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

With a nice receiving core. John Brown, 3 for 116 and a touchdown downtown.

[Jason Moore]

John Brown, he's just been on fire. He's perfect for this offense.

[Andy Holloway]

Only three catches. You know, you had a few guys this week to have the drops, by the way, I mean, you had Michael Crabtree drop what, two, three, four passes last night. Antonio Callaway.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Antonio callaway.

[Andy Holloway]

He was three for eight targets. Crabtree dropped a few.

[Jason Moore]

Antonio Calloway, seven, eight, nine drops.

[Andy Holloway]

Martavis dropped a long touchdown, a couple drops.

[Jason Moore]

J.J. nelson dropped to that touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Fitz had the drops. Something was going on. There's a deflation issue.

[Mike Wright]

It was some sort. There was way too much offensive scoring happening.

[Andy Holloway]

Jared Cook, 8 for 110 and two touchdowns on 13 targets. Start of the week, Jared Cook was the number one tight end on the week. George Kittle. How's that 44. Feel that 44. Fab. Feeling nice.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Especially with the tight ends looking so rotten. And then Zach Ertz being Zach Ertz. Trey Burton. Trey.

[Jason Moore]

Boo.

[Andy Holloway]

Boo.

[Jason Moore]

Hey.

[Andy Holloway]

Two for 86 and a touchdown. Pretty good. Pretty nice.

[Mike Wright]

I would trade him immediately.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I would not.

[Jason Moore]

See, I would not trade him. Here, let me weigh in.

[Andy Holloway]

There are no tight ends and Burton's been actually good.

[Jason Moore]

As the person who does not believe, my biggest worry with Burton is 100% Mitchell Trubisky. I still do not believe Mitchell Trubisky will turn into a great quarterback based off of just one game where, you know, you had some of those tap that passes. But no, you don't trade Trey Burton right now because of the tight end landscape. That's why I don't trade Kyle Rudolph. I don't trade Trey Burton. Those are the guys where it's like, they're not that great. But I don't want to be living the life of having to start.

[Andy Holloway]

It's it, I think Ebron or Austin's.

[Jason Moore]

Faring Jenkins or, you know, trying to find some guy that you just. Mike might not even get two targets in a game.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, it's empty advice because you say trade. Trade Trey Burton for what? What do you want?

[Mike Wright]

I want anything if I can.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you mean for anything? There's no one to play. You're not getting Kelsey or it's going to grow.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not trying to do a tight end for tight end trade.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm trying to trade for.

[Mike Wright]

I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to trade him for a running back or a wide receiver. I'm not trying to do a tight end for tight end trade. I want to trade Trey Burton who he had four targets. Four targets. Five targets. Four targets. Those aren't fantastic numbers. I want to trade Trey Burton right now and pick up Cameron Brait off of the waiver wire and roll forward with that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Sounds good.

[Jason Moore]

Rising stars of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Why don't you get into your rising star since we just talked about him.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry, I was trying to take a drink. My rising star of the week, John Brown. John Brown has become an every single week starter and I know we highlighted that he only had the three receptions this past week. But the targets are coming and the targets are deep. The targets are wide. John Brown looks extremely healthy. I am. I'm ecstatic for John Brown. I am ecstatic for the NFL that John Brown is healthy and having big weeks. Joe Flacco was rejuvenated. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is a fantasy star now because of John Brown. So he is. He has moved for me in that conversation of do I do I think about starting John Brown to John Brown is just. He's my wide receiver too.

[Andy Holloway]

Started John Brown over Galladay yesterday. That was really nice. Pittsburgh is the worst in the league and giving up long yardage plays. So you got to pay attention to that with your starts rest of the way.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, my start of the week is now the guy that I think is. Has the highest.

[Andy Holloway]

Your rising star.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, you said star. Yes, my rising star. Thanks Brooks. I'm. I'm only here in body form. Is the guy that I think has the best chance now at upsetting my bold prediction that only Saquon has is A rookie top 15 running back on the season and that's Sony Michelle. I mean his opportunity is too good. The fact that you get 25 carries for the Patriots, I don't care anything else. I don't. Whoever it is. If it was Mike Gillisley, if it was Jeremy Hill, if it was whoever. If you're getting 25 carries for the Patriots with Tom Brady and that offense, you're going to be a fantasy relevant player every single week. And then Sony Michelle's a first round rookie that, you know, a lot of people just were madly in love with. I did not necessarily believe the hype. You know he's not my favorite guy when I watch film, but give me a break, man. You get that kind of opportunity and you're. I would start him every single week. There's no question. And Rex Burkhead is on ir so it's not like. It's not like what you thought was going to happen where oh, maybe in the games where Rex Burkhead is inactive, he'll have a good game. But then Burkhead's back. Who's the goal line? Look, James White had a great game. I'm not worried about the split there. There's only two backs and so Sony, Michelle is definitely my rising star.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you're going to get some duds from Michelle this year when they're losing because he didn't catch a pass. This was a perfect game script against Miami and I think if they are down in a game because they shut them out. If they're down in a game, I think you will have a dud or two from Michelle, but you should be able to rely on him in most ordinary circumstances. If they're down three scores, I think you might see zero. Michelle on the field for drives at a time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

What about the beginning of the end, Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Tbd.

[Andy Holloway]

Corey Davis is my rising star.

[Jason Moore]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Corey Davis had 15 targets. Corey Davis had a monster week.

[Mike Wright]

It was a, it was a make break week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, he looks like the physical freak he is. He was a first round guy. And I took a lot of heat, you know, over the last couple weeks in the Gabbard days, that's what I call them, the Gabbert days, because, you know, week one looked great for Corey Davis and then he had a couple down weeks, but nine for 161 and a touchdown against the Philadelphia Eagles. You can start Corey Davis every week as long as Marcus Mariota is healthy.

[Jason Moore]

This is a perfect situation. We talked about it last week. Rashad Matthews gone. Delaney Walker gone. If Corey Davis couldn't break out under that situation, the red, you know, siren alarms are going off. But he had himself a monster day. And yeah, I agree with you, Andy. His situation, you have to start him going forward.

[Andy Holloway]

Big week. Finally, finally scored. That's his first touchdown in the NFL if you don't count the playoffs. So his first regular season.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I mean. Corey Davis, everything has been there. Draft pedigree, talent, athletic measurables.

[Andy Holloway]

Finally made a play.

[Mike Wright]

Finally. And it's one of those things that it's the momentum, the momentum for Corey Davis of this being an actual breakout game, of maybe he's over that mental hurdle of week to week production now.

[Andy Holloway]

For Corey Davis and they win. I mean, they win the game.

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

My rising star, he's a go to.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a go to receiver.

[Jason Moore]

We always do a player, but my rising star is actually the Tennessee Titans. I mean, I was saying this this last week. I think they might just be a good team. Last week I was like, I've never seen a team that I feel like is bad just win so many games. Their defense is just using witchcraft, I believe is what I said. Because they're stopping good teams. But I think I'm turning the corner to where I think they're just good.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the Bills, the Bills weren't good. And, and that was last year. There were two teams that made the playoffs with negative point differentials. It was the Bills and the Titans. So I think it was fair to be hesitant about them. But they're making some late game calls. I mean, going for the touchdown in and of itself. I mean, John Fox was rolling over in his. Wait, he's alive. But in football terms, he's dead in play calling terms. So it was one of those things where they took the shot at it and Mario to look good, Mario to hit Davis deep, showing that he can make the throw with his arm and he's back and they're okay.

[Mike Wright]

An arm throw.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I remember he's got the elbow injury and so they said he couldn't make every throw on the field, so he made the throw. Let's move it into the pooped in their big boy pants segment. We don't have to spend a ton of time here.

[Jason Moore]

Pooped in his big boy pants.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Drew Brees. Hey, what's up with that 18 for 32? I was weird throw a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Weird game.

[Andy Holloway]

Michael Thomas got pretty well shut out by Jenora Jenkins.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, thanks, guys. Hey, shout out to the Duds, also known as my league of record team here.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's hear your league of record.

[Jason Moore]

Well, yes. You want to hear my league of record team? Oh, kie dokie. Here it goes. Russell Wilson, he was a dud. Dalvin Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Dud.

[Jason Moore]

Dud. Keenan Allen, he worked it out to.

[Andy Holloway]

Where he was just Dud.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. How about Michael Thomas this week?

[Andy Holloway]

Four for 47.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. O.J. howard.

[Andy Holloway]

Goosebumps.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that knee. That knee was not good. Alex Collins glumble, glumble on the goal line. That's not good. Devonta Freeman, irrelevant. Injured.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, you didn't start Freeman.

[Jason Moore]

Of course.

[Andy Holloway]

Throwing him in is like I had David Johnson. Extras bonus.

[Jason Moore]

My best player. You wonder who my best player is? It turns out Justin Tucker. Justin freaking Tucker. He's so good.

[Mike Wright]

I wish I was.

[Andy Holloway]

I made you an Tucker.

[Mike Wright]

As good at anything as Justin Tucker is good at kicking.

[Andy Holloway]

He can also sing opera in seven languages. I heard that last night.

[Mike Wright]

You so you go away, Justin Tucker. You make the rest of us feel bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Tannehill did not perform in New England at all. 11 for 20 for 100 yards. Just even 100. We talked about Russell Wilson. I mean, he isn't. Is he an every week start with, you know, Doug Baldwin backish?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man. He's going to the Los Angeles Rams next week, which you could argue he's going to have to pass, he's going to have to run. But it's also a great defense. I mean, what are you doing this time?

[Andy Holloway]

He's at home, isn't he?

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

So that makes a huge difference. I would, I would probably play him.

[Mike Wright]

I feel like I want to pick somebody up. I'm not going to drop Russell and I really don't like to roster two quarterbacks unless there's a extenuating circumstances. And I think this qualifies. I would like if Andy Dalton or someone like that still happens to be on the waiver wire. I would rather pick them up at this point and wait till Doug Baldwin is fully back and ready to go.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, running back duds. Kenyon Drake.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Four touches.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You had asked me how many touches Kenyon Drake had at a certain point late in the game.

[Andy Holloway]

I think you asked us to guess. It was me. Oh, bro. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And I guessed five and I was too high.

[Mike Wright]

So you realize that the past two games combined. Here's Kenyon Drake's rushing log. Eight attempts for six yards. Man, what is happening?

[Andy Holloway]

Not good. He was my make or break player this week. He broke into a thousand itty bitty pieces.

[Jason Moore]

If you don't get carries or receptions, you don't get fantasy points.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a nightmare. Yeah, it's a nightmare.

[Mike Wright]

What do you do?

[Andy Holloway]

You don't start him.

[Mike Wright]

You just hold him.

[Andy Holloway]

I guess you definitely don't start him.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, so what was his. I believe he was the third line. You just said. What's his yards per carry on that point?

[Mike Wright]

7 5.

[Jason Moore]

Man. He's making Ronald. That's a zero. Oh.

[Mike Wright]

Ronald Jones led the led the team.

[Jason Moore]

Before the week with 2.9 yards per carry.

[Andy Holloway]

Before the week began, he was the 34th ranked fantasy running back. He scored two fantasy points. He is currently unstartable completely. And Frank Gore scored in this game.

[Jason Moore]

Frank Gore looked okay.

[Mike Wright]

He is infinite.

[Andy Holloway]

He is all but Kenyan. Drake is one of the biggest busts of the season.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Jordan Howard, 11 for 25. Big bust week. People wanted to know what's up. We talked about it earlier. Fernet with the injury.

[Jason Moore]

A perfect trade for Target to me.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey. Isaiah Cruel showed up, but not really. He should have stayed home 4 for 01 for 3 through the air. Yeah. Dalvin Cook, this is bad. Dalvin Cook came out and said he is less than 100% dealing with the hamstring injury. Suddenly him saying that as opposed to coming out of the game and saying he feels. Well, that's the problem.

[Jason Moore]

There was huge hope, right? Like as a Dalvin Cook owner, he comes out, he gets 10 carries in the first half, unfortunately doesn't do that much with it. He looked great. He was breaking off 6, 7, 8 yard runs. But then every other run was negative 5 yards because the defense was behind the line of scrimmage. The second half, he doesn't touch the ball again and you go, okay, it's okay. Because they said coming to this game, he's going to be on a pitch camp. So maybe it was. They're giving him 10 carries, he got 10. And then they're not going to have him touch the ball anymore. And what I, as a Dalvin Cook owner was thinking is, I need to hear if there was any worry about the injury after this game. Because if there's any worry about the injury, then the reason he didn't go out was not a pre game plan pitch count. It was re aggravation. And they just don't want to say it because they kept saying in that game, no, Dalvin Cook is healthy. This is not because he's injured, is the reason why he's not getting on the field. And hogwash.

[Andy Holloway]

I got a fun keep trade cut for you. Kenyon Drake, Derek Henry, Lashawn McCoy. Go keep Lashawn McCoy.

[Jason Moore]

Trade Derek Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Trade Henry. Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Cut Drake.

[Jason Moore]

Cut drake.

[Andy Holloway]

Derek Henry, 8 for 24. Looked terrible to the eyeballs, I believe. Dion Lewis had zero yards rushing in this game, but he had nine receptions for 66 yards and made himself relevant. So Derek Henry cut him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

One of the UDK busts.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not gonna.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You don't cut Derek Henry. I don't think. I mean, this was the Philadelphia defense.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. You know that he was the 44th ranked running back before the week. He has been single digits every single week. 4 points, 7.7 points. 4 points.

[Jason Moore]

Put it this way, put it this way. If Derek Henry were on the waivers, this is kind of the way that I look at cuts. As I say, if Derek Henry was on the waivers and someone said, should I pick him up? My answer to that person would be, of course, yes. Pick up a starting running back in the NFL, even if he's been playing poorly. And that doesn't mean you need to Start him, but there's value there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, but would you rather have Naim Hines?

[Mike Wright]

I was just going to ask you that.

[Andy Holloway]

Or Ty Montgomery or Alfred Morris or Montgomery maybe.

[Mike Wright]

But I was going to ask you specifically, Andy, because your opposition to Hines, would you rather have Naim Hines, who is only getting. Really getting work in the passing game, or Derek Henry, who he had two straight week. Two straight weeks of 18 carries, so he's still involved. He's just not doing anything.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was gonna say, if 18 carries equals nothing, I would rather take Naim Hines because if he carves out. If you guys are right and he carves out a special role in the offense, he's had weeks where, I mean, I believe Naim Hines has outscored Derek Henry every single week, so.

[Mike Wright]

Sounds about right.

[Andy Holloway]

So if that's the case, why wouldn't you take a guy that you're not sure what the role is going to be carved out into? You know, I don't think you. I would agree with Jason that you don't cut Derek Henry in every circumstance. You don't cut him vindictively. But it's the same with Drake. It's the same with any of these guys where if you got a better option to sign, you can't play scared of cutting Derrick Henry. He's a time bomb.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, man. Henry. Unbelievable.

[Andy Holloway]

Can you cut? I mean, you cut Chris Hogan, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

One catch.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. At this point, yeah, you probably do. Chris. You probably do cut Chris Hogan. If you want to wait one more week, see what happens when Julian Edelman is back. See if Chris Hogan can get back to being sneaky and finding space as a in the end zone. I'm okay with one more week of holding Chris Hogan, but that would be the last straw, last straw for me.

[Andy Holloway]

I think we're going to do a last straw segment on Wednesday.

[Mike Wright]

So there's not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a bunch of players that are.

[Mike Wright]

Here's a preview. Chris Hogan.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Nelson Aguilar, 5 for 22 on 12 targets. Another drop of Soros. I mean, this guy was dropping past. He had two drops per play.

[Mike Wright]

Wow, that's impressive.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The bauble.

[Jason Moore]

And then the.

[Andy Holloway]

And then the hit the smackdown. Chris Godwin, just 2 for 22 in the bye week next week. I think you can cut.

[Mike Wright]

Are we done with Chris Godwin?

[Andy Holloway]

I think you can cut Chris Godwin right now because you can't hold him through the buy if you need other options.

[Mike Wright]

And Jameis Winston is back and DeSean.

[Andy Holloway]

Jackson led the team. And then you still going to. You're still going to take Evans over all of them. And then it's a matter of deciding between Godwin and D. Jacks. Godwin was 49% of the snaps on 30, you know, 31 of 63 snaps.

[Mike Wright]

And he's playing fewer snaps than Adam Humphries this past week.

[Andy Holloway]

So, I mean, what do you think?

[Mike Wright]

I think you. Wow, that changed fast.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And that happened Godwin. But yeah, I would probably caught him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would definitely.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Williams slammed back to Earth 21 for 15 on three targets. People played him. People were bummed out of their mind. It was a San Francisco matchup. You felt like you could play him and it didn't happen for him.

[Mike Wright]

Tyrell. Tyrell with the other. Williams had.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, it wasn't Keenan.

[Jason Moore]

Keenan ended up.

[Mike Wright]

He's okay.

[Jason Moore]

He ended up okay. 10 targets, seven receptions for 63 yards.

[Andy Holloway]

But he was Mike's make or break.

[Jason Moore]

And he didn't either.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he didn't either. So how do you feel about Keenan? Like, give me your thoughts because you made him your make or break.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

7 for 63 is. That's fine if it's sandwiched by top performances, which I think are coming for Keenan.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So for me, he's a trade target. But I'm curious what you think.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm looking at the 10 opportunities though. It. You can't. I'm with you. I would trade for Keenan Allen. I would not try and trade him away. I would not sell him at a lower value. Jason, you have Keenan Allen.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

You could potentially improve your monster team. I mean, I know, I know there's really, like, there's very small spots in that team that could actually improve.

[Jason Moore]

Right. I mean, it's just so.

[Mike Wright]

It's so good. You're putting up huge points every single week.

[Jason Moore]

Dalvin Cook, Devonta Freeman, killing it.

[Mike Wright]

Would you looking at your team saying, okay, I can trade Keenan Allen and I can try and improve my running back position, would you do that? Or would you say, no, I'm going to hold on to Keenan Allen right now.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to hold on to Kenan Allen. I don't know that he is going to carry the value that would really upgrade. I mean, it's always going to be a value thing. Right. Like, what can you get back? So there's certain things I would be willing to trade Keenan Allen for. But my guess is that the temperature on Keenan Allen right now is not where I think he'll continue to progress into. I still see him as an absolute wide Receiver one. You know, there's no doubt to me that he finishes the season, barring injury, as a, as one of the top 12 wide receivers.

[Mike Wright]

And a reminder that last year, right about this time, this is what was happening for Keenan Allen through his first four games. 35 yards with a score, 100 yards, 61 yards, 138. It was is pretty uneven for Keenan Allen to start the year. Everyone remembers the second half where he literally won you the league. But that's not who Keenan Allen is and this is not who Keenan Allen is. I think it's somewhere in the middle.

[Andy Holloway]

Oakland, Cleveland, Tennessee. The upcoming matchups for Keenan Allen. He should be fine.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Rob Gronkowski, just 4 for 44 on seven targets left with an injury. Has the Colts, the Chiefs and the Bears coming up on the schedule. Any concern for Gronkowski?

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully the injury was a. Was a. We're blowing out the other team type of injury so that Gronk doesn't need to force it and come back. But he's been on the injury report the past couple weeks with the ankle.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. And then disappointing week from Ben Watson. We were hoping maybe he'd do something, but yeah, Drew Brees didn't do a lot.

[Mike Wright]

No, he did not.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, that is it for today's episode. Jam packed episode. We'll be back with waiver pickups tomorrow. Enjoy your Monday Night Football game.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Nice hat, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Nice hat, Andy.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks.

[Jason Moore]

Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter the FFballers.