Week 5 Matchups + In-or-Out, Iron Lungs

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Week 5 Matchups + In-or-Out, Iron Lungs

Release Date: October 4, 2019

The Fantasy Footballers hosts—Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright—delve deep into Week 5 fantasy football strategies, player evaluations, and matchup analyses. This episode, titled "Week 5 Matchups + In-or-Out, Iron Lungs," provides listeners with insightful discussions, actionable advice, and engaging banter to enhance their fantasy football experience.

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1. Opening Remarks and Set-Up

The episode kicks off with the hosts setting the tone for an engaging discussion. Mike Wright humorously refers to observing "the essence of manhood" in the Seattle Seahawks' performance from the previous night’s game.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [00:11]: "We saw the essence of manhood last night, carrying the ball for the Seattle Seahawks, showing us what a man it is."

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2. Player Performance Highlights

a. Rams vs. Seahawks Game Recap

The hosts dissect the thrilling clash between the Rams and the Seahawks, highlighting key performances and pivotal moments that influenced fantasy outcomes.

Key Points:

• The game significantly exceeded the over/under, ending with a 59-point total against a 49-point expectation.
• Chris Carson's outstanding performance is at the forefront, with 27 carries for 118 yards and two touchdown receptions.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [04:25]: "Chris Carson makes me look squishy."
• Andy Holloway [08:12]: "He's a talented human being. Right. He's truly an outlier of an athlete."

b. Cooper Kupp's Return to Form

Cooper Kupp emerges as a standout, solidifying his status as a top-five wide receiver with nine catches for 117 yards and a touchdown.

Key Points:

• Kupp's targets have surged to 17, indicating a key role in the Rams' offense.
• The dynamic between Kupp and Jared Goff remains strong, especially in critical game situations.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [05:23]: "Where Jared Goff wants to go is Cooper Kupp."
• Andy Holloway [08:51]: "Cooper Cup is a guaranteed top five wide receiver this year."

c. Tight End Usage and Gerald Everett's Role

The Rams' shift to a two-tight end formation with Tyler Higbee and Gerald Everett raises questions about the distribution of targets and receiver involvement.

Key Points:

• Gerald Everett received 7 catches for 136 yards and was targeted 11 times, reflecting increased utilization.
• Concerns about Brandon Cooks' concussion and its impact on Everett's usage.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [06:02]: "No, I want to say I do not believe that this is a real thing."
• Jason Moore [06:49]: "Gerald Everett is being worked into this offense. 7 for 136."

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3. In-or-Out Player Decisions

The "In-or-Out" segment evaluates the availability and potential impact of players for Week 5, assisting fantasy managers in making informed lineup decisions.

Selected Highlights:

• Quarterbacks:

  • Josh Allen: In despite remaining in concussion protocol.
    • Jason Moore [11:43]: "I today will be the tale for Josh Allen, but even if he's in, I'm not going to play him."
  • Sam Darnold: Officially Out.
  • Gardner Minshew: In with a knee injury.

• Running Backs:

  • James Conner: In
  • Marlon Mack: In despite recent absences.
  • Tevin Coleman: Out

• Wide Receivers:

  • Jarvis Landry: In
  • Michael Gallup: In
  • Christian Kirk: Out

• Tight Ends:

  • Vance McDonald: Out
  • Mark Andrews: In
  • Vernon Davis: Out

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wright [12:21]: "Marlon Mack did not practice Wednesday or Thursday, but he didn't last week as well. I'm going to say in Sunday night."

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4. Fantasy Forecast and Matchup Analysis

The hosts provide comprehensive analyses of several key matchups, offering projections and strategic recommendations to maximize fantasy points.

a. Vikings vs. Giants

Key Points:

• Vikings' Defense: Highly ranked, posing challenges for rookie QB Daniel Jones.
• Giants' Offense: Limited effectiveness without Saquon Barkley.
• Recommendation: Focus on Evan Ingram as a must-start.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [16:02]: "The game is a tough matchup. I could very well be proven wrong."
• Andy Holloway [17:22]: "Aaron Rodgers is living on an Aaron Rodgers name now for quite a while."

b. Packers vs. Cowboys

Key Points:

• Cowboys' Strategy: Emphasis on the running game, expecting Ezekiel Elliott to shine.
• Packers' Challenges: Missing Devonte Adams, leading to a reliance on Aaron Jones and Jimmy Graham.
• Recommendation: Favor the Cowboys for their robust running game and favorable matchup.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [37:53]: "I still have the Cowboys winning because I think where you beat the Packers is the running game."
• Mike Wright [38:22]: "I think Darrell goes back to the bench."

c. Broncos vs. Chargers

Key Points:

• Broncos' Defense: Struggling, exacerbated by the loss of Bradley Chubb.
• Chargers' Offense: Strong ground game with Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler.
• Recommendation: Opt for Austin Ekeler over Melvin Gordon due to his explosive potential in this matchup.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [33:29]: "I think Eckler is a better start than Gordon in this one."
• Andy Holloway [34:41]: "Anthony Lynn said they're going to limit Gordon a little bit."

d. Chiefs vs. Colts

Key Points:

• Chiefs' Offense: Led by Patrick Mahomes, facing a disciplined Colts' defense.
• Indecisiveness in Running Back Selection: Balancing between Jordan Wilkins and DeMarcus Freeman.
• Recommendation: Lean towards Travis Kelce as a high-upside tight end.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason Moore [43:56]: "I don't think he's going to have enough volume for Metcalf leading to a breakout."
• Andy Holloway [46:18]: "Travis Kelce is going to have the biggest game of the year this week."

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5. Ballers on a Budget: Affordable Fantasy Picks

In the "Ballers on a Budget" segment, the hosts identify cost-effective players who offer significant value for their price, ideal for fantasy managers operating under tight budgets.

Top Picks:

• Naim Hines ($4,800): Expected to dominate snap counts against Kansas City.

  • Jason Moore [52:00]: "I like Naim Hines. He's as cheap as it gets at the running back."

• Auden Tate ($5,300): Increased snap participation and favorable matchup against Arizona Cardinals.

  • Andy Holloway [52:46]: "Auden Tate over the last two weeks has been on the field like week one... extremely cheap."

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Wright [54:07]: "You want a low ownership. The ownership I project to be very low."
• Andy Holloway [54:34]: "0.1%. And the point one is gonna be you."

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6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with final thoughts on emerging players and upcoming matchups. The hosts emphasize the importance of strategic player selection and staying informed on player statuses to gain an edge in fantasy leagues.

Key Takeaways:

• Stay Updated: Monitor player injuries and activation statuses closely.
• Value Picks: Utilize budget-friendly players to maximize roster flexibility.
• Matchup Exploitation: Leverage favorable matchups to enhance scoring potential.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway [56:35]: "Sean McDermott said Josh Allen remains in the concussion protocol and he ain't playing."
• Jason Moore [57:11]: "We'll talk to you on Sunday. Mike will be there one hour before game time."

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Final Note: This episode provides a wealth of information for fantasy football enthusiasts, from player evaluations and matchup insights to budget-friendly picks. By implementing the strategies discussed, managers can optimize their rosters and enhance their chances of winning their leagues.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Oh, the essence of manhood. Welcome in.

[Andy Holloway]

It's gonna be a good one.

[Mike Wright]

We saw the essence of manhood last night.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, we did.

[Mike Wright]

Carrying the ball for the Seattle Seahawks, showing us what a man it is.

[Andy Holloway]

Hop on his back if you're a Ram. He'll take you for a ride.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome in to the Fantasy Footballers.

[Mike Wright]

I was gonna combine the words, you know, go, Chris Manson. And then I realized calling him Manson, not good. May maybe not the way to go.

[Andy Holloway]

No, that's also just like an actual last name.

[Mike Wright]

Charles Manson.

[Andy Holloway]

He's out there absolutely killing it.

[Jason Moore]

All right. This shows off to a stunning start. Friday, October 4th. It's Friday.

[Mike Wright]

Man, we're lucky.

[Jason Moore]

The Fantasy footballers podcast the most elegant of men. Jason opening the show a modern king. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I posted about Chris Carson this morning with the hashtag muscle king. I mean, we have a lizard king. He has to be the muscle king.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure, I believe it. I mean, even. Even Pete Carroll in the off season was talking, literally talking about how muscular he is. He's like, oh, that guy's like a superhero. And to say that about one of these people in the NFL when everyone is. Is impressive.

[Jason Moore]

Does it seem like. I mean, maybe it's a contrast situation? You know, you try to stand by people to make you look better, but doesn't it seem like Rashad Penny's on the squishy side of things compared to Chris Carson?

[Andy Holloway]

Legitimately, I mean, Chris Carson makes me look squishy.

[Mike Wright]

It's hard to do.

[Jason Moore]

I know, right, For a modern king such as yourself. Welcome in. We've got a great show. It's Friday.

[Andy Holloway]

Foot Clan Friday.

[Jason Moore]

Today's Foot Clan Friday winner is Cody Lee. Cody Lee wins a $55 gift card to shopballers.com we like to say thank you each and every Friday to a special Foot Clan supporter. You can Join our football community, our fantasy football [e-mail] get access to an extra episode every week and a whole bunch of cool perks. And so we want to thank everyone including and especially Cody Lee. Congratulations. We've got some news, some in and out for you. Injury news today, the rest of the fantasy forecast. So the rest of the Week 5 matchups, ballers on a budget on the show today. And you can stay up to date with everything to do with fantasy football in this show on twitter@the ff ballers on YouTube, YouTube.com the fantasy footballers and the website's the fantasy footballers.com so more reaction to last night briefly, I think my takeaways from this game. First of all, it was a great one.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it was a great game.

[Jason Moore]

Wasn't the over under on the game exactly 49 points?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And the game was, I'm curious where you're going.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, it's 59.

[Andy Holloway]

There you go. Yeah, they blew that out of the water.

[Jason Moore]

I was quick to make that connection because the game was a one and a half point line. The Seahawks were favored by one and a half. They ended up winning by one and then math didn't work in my head. But yes, they, they hit the over. Brandon Cooks forced from the game with a concussion. He had one run, one catch, Robert woods almost scored. But the storyline on the Rams side of the offense, two players, Cooper Cup, 17 targets. Cooper cup to me is a guaranteed top five wide receiver this year. And Mike, you had so much confidence in him in the off season. I was scared of the knee but he's picked up exactly where he left off. 9 for 117 and a touchdown constantly. I mean it's just so obvious. 100 yards, four straight games right now for Cooper Cup. Where Jared Goff wants to go is Cooper Cup. And when they're in a third down situation, a red zone situation, a fourth.

[Andy Holloway]

Quarter drive situation, he's always open, it's always Cooper Cup.

[Jason Moore]

Now whether he hits him or not. I mean it was 50, 50 last night. Nine catches on 17 targets. But then Gerald Everett is being worked into this offense. 7 for 136. Madness, 11 targets, which was the second most on the team we heard in the off season. And this was one of the reasons I hesitated on cup returning to form as well was the fact that this team was running more two tight end sets with Tyler Higby and Gerald Everett in the off season. So I thought, hey, we're going to see some more Robert woods and Brandon Cooks. Maybe Cooper Cups Taken off the field to manage the knee. But Gerald Everett, is he a real thing?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I want to say I do not believe that this is a real thing. I think this was a matchup thing with the San Francisco 49 or with the Seattle Seahawks. I saw some people talking about the matchups, that Gerald Everett would be a good play going into this week. Clearly that was correct. Now, if Brandon Cooks is gone, we don't know the status of him. He left with a concussion and so we'll have to see if he clears protocol. If not, then I think Everett, you got to pay attention. But you know, all the two tight end sets, what happened the first three weeks when he was the wider, the tight end, 47, 23 and 31.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But last to his credit, last week against Tampa bay, he had eight targets in that game as well. Going eight targets, 11 targets. It should raise your eye, it should raise your eyebrows because tight end is so difficult to find.

[Andy Holloway]

Man, did he try to lose that game for them though.

[Jason Moore]

He was like the winner of and the loser of many plays.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, the perfect pass from golf that he turned into a nice interception and then he almost fumbled the ball. Like the next drive on the other.

[Jason Moore]

Side, Will Disley, 4 for 81, didn't score, but led the team in receiving yardage. Was consistently. He looks great. I mean, he made some great catches. Nobody had more than four targets, so the ball was spread around once again. I mean, Tyler Lockett, 4 for 51 and a touchdown on an improbable back corner. Miracle pass by maybe the best quarterback in football. We were kind of talking about that. Everything's going to be viewed through the fantasy stats and the statistics. Russell Wilson is allowed to do what this offense is built to do. They give him a certain amount of freedom. Pass attempts. It's a rushing offense. 27 carries for Chris Carson. I don't know how you can execute better than Russell Wilson in the offense you're given. I don't know if you can play a quarterback better than Russell Wilson plays it in this offense. So it's unimportant to make him number three or number four, number five, whatever. He was so impressive last night. They won the game. Four touchdown passes. Chris Carson was 27 for 118. Caught a touchdown pass twice.

[Andy Holloway]

Twice, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Caught the same pass twice. They actually, if you look at the stat line, Chris Carson had been consistently targeted on the year. There were three or four plays in this game where Chris Carson was the designed pass catcher of the play. And it got broken down by A sack by Aaron Darnold getting in the face of Russell Wilson. He couldn't target him on a wheel route. You had another play that was a screen designed to Carson. He couldn't throw the ball. So I still think they were trying to involve him in the passing game, but these plays were getting blown up otherwise. I mean, DK Metcalf had the bomb touchdown reception. I think you're going to see that here and there. But only three targets. Are you changing your opinion on him at all after this game?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, this is, you know, this is more his skill set. Right. Like run a deep bomb. They've been using him in the red zone and it hasn't worked quite as well. But he's a talented human being. Right. He's truly an outlier of an athlete. And Pete Carroll's a great coach and Russell Wilson's a great quarterback, so they're going to find ways to. To get him involved.

[Mike Wright]

The play design was incredible too, because that was. That was a touchdown on a broken defense. If, like enforceably by the play call, it really tricked the secondary.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. If Rashad Penney stands next to Carson and DK Metcalf on the sideline. Oh, but that's your biggest mistake right there, Rashad.

[Andy Holloway]

Seriously. So it's one of those things where if DK is out on the waiver and you need a spot start and you're deciding between someone like Cole Beasley, who's just a target hog and you're in a PPR league, or DK Metcalf, who could obviously have the higher ceiling. Metcalf can do the bomb. Touchdown. I still think I got to do the.

[Jason Moore]

Do the bomb.

[Andy Holloway]

I still feel like I would go with a Cole Beasley on a regular basis. To me, get the targets.

[Mike Wright]

To me, DK Metcalf is just. He's a wide receiver on the waiver wire that if the bye weeks hit and your bench isn't looking the way you want, he's fine to pick up and play. He's not a guy I'm really stashing, though.

[Jason Moore]

I still expect him to emerge over the course of the season. We talked about this on the Sirius XM show yesterday. They're giving him every opportunity to do it.

[Mike Wright]

Now.

[Jason Moore]

If he doesn't make a play, you know, he should have caught a two point conversion in this game. They gave him another red zone target on that play. Should have caught the ball.

[Mike Wright]

It's. To me, it just will be very difficult. Like Russell Willis, when we were talking about how great he was he threw the ball 23 times and will Disley is very involved. They are being very intentional about drawing plays up for him.

[Jason Moore]

Four touchdowns on 23 pass attempts.

[Mike Wright]

Tyler Lockett is the number one wide receiver in the offense. Chris Carson, like you said, he still is getting designed plays for him. So it's hard to unless you're hitting on the 40 yard touchdown. I just don't see the volume for Metcalf leading to a breakout this year, do you?

[Jason Moore]

What's your takeaway from the Carson performance? 27 carries over 100 yards. Again, didn't get into the end zone on the ground, but those are just a matter of time. You can't predict that. I thought David Moore was going to get pushed out at the one. He ends up getting into the end zone on that play. Goal line opportunities are going to go to Chris Carson, no doubt.

[Mike Wright]

So he's the guy.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he is the guy. That's the thing is like the United States government and Pete Carroll should both just get rid of pennies because there's. They're not that valuable. I mean, Chris Carson, wow. Is amazing.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's get into. In or out.

[Andy Holloway]

What's it going to be, McFly?

[Mike Wright]

Are you in or out?

[Jason Moore]

All right, quarterbacks. Josh Allen, in or out? He remained in the concussion protocol Thursday. Limited practices. I'm going to say in.

[Mike Wright]

I today will be the tale for Josh Allen, but even if he's in, I'm not going to play him.

[Andy Holloway]

I would say in. And I think if he is in, he's. He. He's a startable guy.

[Jason Moore]

Sam Darnold, in or out?

[Andy Holloway]

Out.

[Jason Moore]

That's official, right? Yeah. Gardner Minshew with the knee injury. Limited. I'm going to say in.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope he's in. So I will say in.

[Jason Moore]

You guys know how this segment works. You have to predict in or out.

[Mike Wright]

In.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. James Conner at the running back position. In or out?

[Mike Wright]

I'm going to say in. The beat reporters have said from. From Pittsburgh are sailing, saying that even though Connor and you know, Juju and Vance are missing some practices, they're going to be good to go on Sunday.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

So I'm going. I'm going to buy in.

[Andy Holloway]

Marlon Mack did not practice Wednesday or Thursday, but he didn't last week as well. I'm going to say in Sunday night.

[Jason Moore]

Game though, are you taking the risk?

[Andy Holloway]

Oof, that's rough.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Because I think that Naheem Hines is a good backup option if you want to stash him because of just what the game script should be.

[Jason Moore]

Tevin Coleman, in or out?

[Mike Wright]

Out.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Damian Williams in?

[Andy Holloway]

In.

[Mike Wright]

Practicing. In. Full.

[Jason Moore]

Rex Burkhead in. Devin Singletary, out. Don't think he plays. And even if he plays, you're not interested in.

[Mike Wright]

No, not yet. Look, with that type of a hamstring injury, I need to see that you're ready to play again.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Ty Hilton, Sunday Night Football. Another tough decision. In or out?

[Andy Holloway]

This is really tough. I'm going to say that he is in.

[Jason Moore]

He might be a really good example of why you put, like, if Ty Hilton's sitting in your flex instead of the wide receiver position because you moved earlier players into the wide receiver position, that would let you go from Hilton to Ebron in your flex in an emergency. Because I think Hilton's going to play. But at least you're covered.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Tyree Kill, Monday Night Football.

[Andy Holloway]

He's. He's been practicing. I think they're going to give him another week. I'm going to say out.

[Mike Wright]

They are. They have. It's. It's not whether or not Tyree Kill can play. It's can he survive a human being falling on him and not in him not being very, very hurt by it?

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's go ahead and go to Edelman.

[Mike Wright]

He'll play Juju.

[Andy Holloway]

Juju will play.

[Jason Moore]

Josh Gordon will play Terry McLaurin.

[Mike Wright]

He's been limited in practice. I know he got a. He got in like, at least a session last week before being ruled out. I think he plays.

[Andy Holloway]

I hope he doesn't play. I mean, he's worthless against the Patriots or at least nobody's going to start him. If he has a great game, it's going to be a shock to everyone. Just give him a week. You're not winning the game.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I prefer these rookies to have the experience. I don't care. He could be out of your fantasy lineup. I want him to play in the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, sure. I'm not saying, like, bench him because it's New England. I'm saying he's hurt. He's coming through, you know, a soft tissue issue. You're not going to win.

[Jason Moore]

Go ahead and bench Tyrell Williams. Foot injury. In or out?

[Mike Wright]

He's difficult. I mean, you got the travel for the game.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to lean out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Jason Moore]

Is there a player that you would. Would you jump on a desperate Hunter Renfro, play like JJ Nelson or something? Renfro would be the one that I would. We know Derek Carr. He likes to keep it.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, I would go with and still go with Darren the Walrus because.

[Mike Wright]

That'S what people are choosing for Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Like I got Tyrell and Darren. Give me all the Raiders.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm just saying Darren Walrus.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Is going to have 22 receptions if he's certainly sweet.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh, you're right. He will. Jarvis Landry, in or out? He cleared the concussion protocol. I'm going to say in Michael Gallup.

[Andy Holloway]

He'S trying to play. I think he gets in there.

[Jason Moore]

Christian Kirk, out.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, definitely out.

[Jason Moore]

All right, TIGHTED ENDS Vance McDonald, in or out?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to say Vance is out.

[Jason Moore]

I am, too.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Mark Andrews in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

And then Vernon Davis. Concussion, out of your lineup.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's out of the lineup.

[Jason Moore]

Game day alerts JoinTheFoot.com Sunday live, one hour before kickoff. News and notes always brought to you by the sleeper app. Let's get back into the forecast.

[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy forecast.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Yesterday. So if you're new to the show or unfamiliar on Wednesday, we always cover the Thursday night game. Some people. Yesterday I saw some comments. People were saying where, where's the. Where's the Rams Seahawks game? We always cover that the day before because we don't know when you're going to listen to it. We want you to have some time with that preview. Yesterday we covered the Bills, Titans, Falcons, Texans, Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, Redskins, Cardinals, Bengals, Jags, Panthers, and then the Buccaneers and Saints.

[Andy Holloway]

Very disappointed in you there, Andy. You started off strong. I did one breath and I thought you might make it through with one breath. But you took a breath before the.

[Jason Moore]

Jaguars, Panthers and that disappoints you deeply.

[Mike Wright]

I didn't want to point it out.

[Andy Holloway]

But you're right, it's got to be said.

[Jason Moore]

I bet you cool Andy would have gotten through one breath.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, sure.

[Mike Wright]

These lungs are iron.

[Andy Holloway]

Is that helpful? Are iron lungs? An upgrade like that would be bad. It'd be hard to breathe.

[Jason Moore]

You'd be much heavier, too.

[Andy Holloway]

He's don't move well in and out.

[Mike Wright]

And then they don't restrict.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. No. You want. No, not a good call. All right. Jets own three, Eagles two and two. The jets are without Sam Darnold. The Eagles are 14 point favorites at home.

[Mike Wright]

They got Luke Falk, though. Great news.

[Jason Moore]

There's just really no way for the jets to win this ball game. That's the truth. So I think you can play both Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders in this game. I think both of them are startable. Lev Bell on the other side will get all of the work. It will likely be inefficient he is certainly startable.

[Andy Holloway]

The Eagles run D is awesome. They can be beat through the air obviously. So if you've got Lev Bell, you're hoping for a lot of dump off passes to the ppr. I don't expect him to do a lot of work on the ground. I think you could. Most definitely. I paid up for the Eagles defense. Should be a great play against Lafayette.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Home run. Home run. Carson Wentz should be fine. You play Jeffrey. Are you playing any other whiteouts on Philadelphia?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Nelson Aguilar is. He's the guy who steps up when everyone is gone. And then you saw as soon as Alistair and Jeffrey were came back, nine targets for him. He only caught three of them. But Al Galore turned into a goose. So I'm not playing him.

[Jason Moore]

Not pretty. Yeah. Nine targets for Jeffrey. That was pretty nice. Robbie Anderson, I don't think you play him. Jason made the point. Okay. You can beat the Eagles through the air, but not if you're Luke Faulk, right?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, correct. 100%.

[Jason Moore]

Because the game plan won't even allow him to. Even if Luke Falk, the player thinks he can. Even if he really, really thinks he can, he's not going to be given the chance. Not enough pass, Luke.

[Andy Holloway]

Believe in yourself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You can do it, Luke.

[Andy Holloway]

You could do it. You could do it, Luke.

[Jason Moore]

And I know I'll get him, champ. Yeah, I know, Kyle, you know he wrote in here. Is Robbie Anderson a sneaky snart? I don't think he is.

[Andy Holloway]

I would be terrified.

[Jason Moore]

He's a very good player. But you still are banking on Falk.

[Andy Holloway]

No, the the only jet that you could play in this game is Le'Veon Bell.

[Jason Moore]

You're obviously starting Zach Ertz, otherwise it.

[Andy Holloway]

Isn'T a great matchup for him. I will give them that. I mean right now the jets are number one in the league as far as fewest fantasy points given up to tight end. And you can say, well, that's four weeks. A lot of that's matchup. Right. Like they play the Patriots who don't have a tight end. But last season they were top three. So this isn't just a small sample size. That being said, you're starting Zach Ertz.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think one other thing worth mentioning. Desean Jackson wasn't in the inner out he should have been. He's going to be out again this week. I have apprehension deep within my soul about desean Jackson right now. I don't like and I would love to be proven wrong. I've got him in a dynasty league. In my league of record team. We saw him in week one absolutely dominate. He changes the game for Carson Wentz. I need him, want him out there. I'm scared because you're not hearing about progress on the abdomen. I'm worried about core injury, sports, hernia surgery, something of that nature percolating. I don't want it to be the case. Just telling you the vibe I'm getting and hopefully he's back out there next week. But it's made me think about trying to unload him on the promise of that week one as opposed to do the injury dance. Happy to be proven wrong. We had this question here. Which green do you prefer? The Eagles Classic Kelly Green or the Jets Gotham Green.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Kelly Green.

[Jason Moore]

I am the monster Kelly Green fan.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I love the Kelly Green, so I lean that way. But I know there was a lot of hull of blue when the jets unveiled their new outfits or their new uniforms.

[Andy Holloway]

I love them.

[Mike Wright]

I love the green of the new jets unis.

[Andy Holloway]

The green is fine. I think the design is just too simple.

[Jason Moore]

Once I saw it on the field, I actually, I changed my opinion a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Sometimes playing can work and I think that there's.

[Jason Moore]

That's how I feel about the Browns uniforms. I love the Browns uniforms. People don't though.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I like it because it's classic.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

The jets don't look classic. They just look plain.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they only become classic when you start winning. That's how it happens. Vikings, Giants. We're going to talk about that game. First, I want to thank today's podcast sponsors and we're going to start with LinkedIn. They want me to talk about my most rewarding job I've ever had. Now it's this one. I mean, this job is the most rewarding job I've ever had, but I've had a handful of really rewarding jobs and I feel very lucky for that. We hear from tons of people that want to go out and follow their dream, find that job that is rewarding to them. LinkedIn's got 20 million jobs for you to choose from. Jobs everything from software engineers to robotics engineers. My son, my 10 year old that's in his wheelhouse right there, robotics engineer. You've got associate attorneys, HR managers, whatever you're looking for. All kinds of open jobs on LinkedIn. You can search for them. You've got opportunities to change your career and you got people on there giving great career advice each and every day. People hiring people making introductions. Find the job that is meant for [e-mail] jobs that's LinkedIn.com find that rewarding career, the one that you're proud of.

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[Jason Moore]

Get into this Vikings Giants game. Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones, this game's in New York. Not excited for anything. Me personally on the giant side of the football whatsoever. The Vikings defense has been in the upper echelon this year. They're pretty unforgiving and they're the type of defense, the schemes that they run, the way that they play, defense that I think is especially troubling for a young rookie quarterback like Daniel Jones. Yes, they won the game last week, but no, it wasn't a pretty performance from Daniel Jones. He finally looked like a rookie. We don't think Saquon's going to be back out there. It would help if he was obviously full strength. But when you talk about Daniel Jones trying to manage this game against this Vikings defense, I think there are going to be some mistakes that take place. They don't give up very much on the ground. So Wayne Goleman between the tackles is going to be a problem. And then you're putting it all on Daniel Jones's shoulder. So I'm not excited about starting really. Anybody on that offense outside of Evan Ingram, who's a must start.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. On the Vikings side, obviously. We had a lot of debate yesterday on our Sirius XM show about Stefan Diggs, Adam Thielen, are they going to turn this around or is this, you know, what Mike Zimmer Wants when he fired his pass. Happy OC And Stefanski comes in and runs the ball. And everyone's complaining except Mike Zimmerman and.

[Mike Wright]

Dalvin Cook's pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

This is pretty sweet, man.

[Mike Wright]

What's the problem, Stefan?

[Andy Holloway]

But I do think the squeaky wheel gets the. Gets the oil this week.

[Mike Wright]

Ooh, the oil, not the grease.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You're going oil. That's different oil.

[Andy Holloway]

Kern. Is that a wizard?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know that. I don't know that. Sorry.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not brushed up on my line for line.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I mean, look, if he didn't say that, he wouldn't have got the oil. Look, squeaky tin man gets the oil.

[Jason Moore]

Is oil really going to help the wheel, though? Is the question we're asking. Because it needs.

[Andy Holloway]

Definitely it is.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

If grease can help, oil certainly can. At least temporarily. Yeah, it's going to lube it up.

[Jason Moore]

Al Borland, can I get a nod over. Are we okay? We're okay with the oil. All right, move on.

[Andy Holloway]

So the point is here, there's a lot of debate between whether they're going to continue this pass run ratio or not, and they're certainly not flipping back to the beginning of last year. Like that's out of the question. But I still am a firm believer that what you've seen so far on the past run ratio is an outlier. Is at the extreme end of what they're going to do on the season. We're only a quarter of the season in, and I, you know, this matchup is one where I could very well be proven wrong. Right. Because they don't need to throw the ball.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I was going to say.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a good story.

[Jason Moore]

But they're probably going to run the ball 60% of the time.

[Andy Holloway]

Again, that being said, we've seen a lot of teams when you go up against a poor pass defense, just a poor overall team. Yeah. You can have that narrative where, well, they're not going to have to pass, but a lot of times they get the lead by easily passing for touchdowns. Yeah, that's. That's what I'm saying.

[Mike Wright]

It definitely could happen. But Mike. What else could happen is Mike Zimmer could stare Adam Thielen in the face while he's calling in the play. Call and say, run the ball. And then Adam Thielen just weeps. Yeah, like that. That's also in the range of outcomes.

[Jason Moore]

You mentioned yesterday's quick question. Scariest start of the week. Without question, Diggs is. Diggs is moving towards a full bench for me, I know the matchup is nice. I don't know if he makes it on the field and I don't know what it means when he's on the field. He's met with everyone. If you listen to the audio of him talking, he admits it ain't right. Right now there's frustration in the organization about Diggs because there's been some conversations about him doing this before. I just don't think we have a relenting coach. We have a coach that does things his way to the tune of I don't like Case Keenum, you're out of town. I don't like John D. Filippo. See you later. If I don't like Stefan Diggs this week on the field or not, it's not going to be pretty. I wouldn't place the fund Diggs personally.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, I totally get it. But as long as the rumblings settle down at least a little bit and Stefan Diggs is active, I will play him and then just quickly to the other side of the ball. I get it that Evan Ingram is the only one you're excited about playing, but Wayne Goleman did have seven targets last week. He will receive volume there. So he's still an okay low end RB2. Play for me.

[Jason Moore]

All right. How did we start this show? Was it the king? The modern king?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. It's a perfect modernity.

[Jason Moore]

Modernity.

[Mike Wright]

A word that I had never heard.

[Jason Moore]

Always. And you mean a word that defines us?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. I mean, that's who we are. We're modern people.

[Jason Moore]

And that is why we play games at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in London.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. The Bears, Raiders traveling overseas. The Bears are 3 and 1. The Raiders are 2 and 2.

[Mike Wright]

We always send you our best.

[Jason Moore]

We send you our very best. Chase Daniel, Derek Carr.

[Mike Wright]

Enjoy the game for the queen.

[Jason Moore]

All right. The Bears are 5 1/2 point favorites. The game is a 40 1/2 point over under the Derek Carr.

[Mike Wright]

I shan't be attending.

[Jason Moore]

I shan't be attending. Khalil Mac revenge game narrative.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that is true.

[Jason Moore]

He said.

[Andy Holloway]

He said it's gonna be so bloody. They had to get it out of America.

[Jason Moore]

They said. It's a game I've been looking forward to. I can't lie. It's gonna be a big one for me. Khalil Mack, in games where he's not looking forward to them, he is also dominating.

[Mike Wright]

No, please, you know me.

[Jason Moore]

No, stop. Don't send in the car is what we're saying. Don't sit in the car. Don't send in the Jacobs. Don't send in the Williams. You can, however, send in.

[Mike Wright]

He's going back.

[Jason Moore]

We have. We understand. He's going back.

[Mike Wright]

Look, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I am the walrus narrative.

[Jason Moore]

This is a. This is a Beatles reference. Beatles. Yeah. I get.

[Mike Wright]

Fantastic.

[Jason Moore]

I get it.

[Mike Wright]

Upgrade him.

[Jason Moore]

Upgrade him. Because of the song.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Proximity to Abbey Road.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Tight end. Six, not tight end.

[Jason Moore]

Darren Waller is the only Raider that I'm very interested in, and that includes. Look, Josh Jacobs. You have him on your team. You better hope he gets some passing volume. The Bears are giving up 16.9 points total to the running back position on the year, and that's going to be divided. Josh Jacobs. 54% of the running back snaps last week. If it's Josh Jacobs only getting the ball between the tackles, you better count your blessings for 10 fantasy points.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, exactly. Jacobs is a player that I would love to be able to have on my bench this week. You can start him if you need to, but you're 100% right. He needs to get the passing work, which he has not gotten so far this season. And what's crazy is he's so good in the passing game, like from college. He's talented.

[Jason Moore]

Pass catcher, but not a part of it right now with Jalen Richard.

[Mike Wright]

Let me. Let me pose this question to you then, Jay, because this is a scenario that you could have. Do you play Josh Jacobs or do you play Devonta Freeman?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man. I think I go Devonta Freeman here.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

You've seen him involved in the passing game. Both have poor matchups. I think I want the guy that has more involvement. I mean, most leagues now are half point or full point ppr. You're going to get more points out of.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're going to remove pass catching, then go to a lower tier running back. Would you chase the matchup and the. What we predict to be a stunning victory. Jordan Howard against the jets or Josh Jacobs? You chasing those touchdowns?

[Andy Holloway]

I think I'm chasing the touchdown. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. David Montgomery is a better start than Josh Jacobs in this one. Alan Robinson, Mike, you made him your start of the week. You wanted to give some confidence. A shot in the arm. Chase Daniels should be able to get enough done. The implied point total in this one has the Bears at 22 and a half and the Raiders at 18. The Bears have the. The Bears defense is just too good. Yep, it's too darn good. And I don't think being in another country is really going to help Derek Carr out very much. No it was a good performance from this team last week, I will say that. And a five and a half point line with a backup quarterback in Chicago. I'll leave room for a surprise here, a low scoring game. But I'm not very excited about the Raiders options because when the great Dalvin Cook can't even run on this team, it's going to be trouble for Josh Jacobs. And we've talked about this too on the Serious show yesterday. Jacobs this week overseas against the Bears, then the bye week. These next two weeks are your buy low opportunity for Josh Jacobs, if you believe in him, which I do long term. But not right now. All right. Broncos 04 take on the Chargers at two and two. The Chargers six and a half point home favorites a 44 and a half point over under. The Broncos defense already struggling on the season and now they lost Bradley Chubb, one of their best pieces on this offense. It is falling apart quickly. I'm sorry Denver fans, but out here in Arizona we know what it's like to be winless and it's no fun. On the Charger side, we've had a lot of discussion this week. You guys have Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler is your start to the week and I understand why. The Broncos defense, already 29th in the league, 26 and a half points per game given up to the running back position. I believe that Melvin Gordon will be playing the Justin Jackson role in this one. I think Austin Eckler, wow. That is the far better play.

[Mike Wright]

That's strong. So as in Justin Jackson, like Melvin Gordon's going to touch the ball six to eight times.

[Jason Moore]

Seven to ten. Yeah, seven to ten times.

[Mike Wright]

I think that that means you would not. Sorry. Like Justin Jackson was only playable in games where you felt like the Chargers were going to blow them out. Are you benching Melvin Gordon?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would flex Melvin Gordon because I would flex Justin Jackson in this game and we were going to do it and we did it against some, some bad running defenses. But the big point is, is throughout this week and yesterday on the on the show and for my own need of competition here, I said I would go Eckler over Gordon. You both said Gordon. I'm wondering if you're willing to put that one into the water category.

[Andy Holloway]

You're taking Gordon over.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, you have Gordon as your start of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would say it makes complete sense. That being said, new information comes along as the week goes. I've heard Anthony Lynn talking about this game. He said he's 100% a part of the game plan last week he was only there in an emergency role, but that they are going to limit him a little bit. They're not going to get carried away with the carries. So I think this is pretty much a 50, 50 split. And if I had to lean at this point, like I am, my start of the week, genuinely, I went to the DOC to put Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler I'm happy with. The point is I'm pushing anyone with either of these players. I think they're both going to be fine. But I actually think Echler is a better start than Gordon. That like this week, I think it's probably 55, 45 Echler.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, so I guess no bet for you.

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I'll take the bet. Just because it's who gets the touchdown. Water bet you're playing rushing Touchdown roulette with these two guys.

[Jason Moore]

It might be pretty for both of them, like you said. But I just.

[Mike Wright]

Why not think that?

[Jason Moore]

I think Eckler will double up the opportunities that Melvin Gordon has in this one. And this is swan song for Austin Eckler. This is not a prescription for the rest of the season. It will be Melvin Gordon's backfield. We know that from both Anthony Lynn's mouth and Melvin Gordon's lakes. So on the other side, I love Emmanuel Sanders in this game. I think he's got a great opportunity out of the slot. Cortland Sutton is going to be facing some troubles on the outside.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And so Emmanuel Sanders is definitely my pick at the position. If you have to go with somebody. You're also talking about a team likely coming back in this one. Six and a half point dogs not excited for Lindsey or Freeman. Honestly, that splits, annoying as it is. And this is a game where I guess I'd go Lindsey for one explosive opportunity here or there.

[Mike Wright]

But I'm totally with you. I will play Lindsey if I had to make the choice. I also agree that Emmanuel Sanders, I think he's a strong play. He will be. He's likely a strong play every single week. But to Cortland Sutton, it could be tough sledding, but I'm still willing to play him as a three. See, I'm not benching Portland.

[Andy Holloway]

It's funny because, you know, Chris Harris Jr. We don't know which one of these guys he's going to be on. Right? I mean, isn't it.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he would be facing the other team. Jason, did you mean Verrett?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yes. Sorry, Verrett. No, Hayward.

[Mike Wright]

Verrett's the old one.

[Andy Holloway]

Verrett is always injured and Jason Verrett.

[Mike Wright]

Used to be their dominant guy.

[Jason Moore]

You guys talking Dicka Ditka, Mike Ditka?

[Mike Wright]

Look, we got there Casey Hayward, but.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean wouldn't you think Emmanuel Sanders is going to be the player who gets the strongest coverage? That's my point.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think you'll not allow him into the slot.

[Jason Moore]

Nope, he will not.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

All right, moving on. Packers, cowboys. Packers 3 and 1. Cowboys 3 and 1. Cowboys. Packer game this week has. I've had the most trouble breaking this game down of any game. Packers 21 1/2 points. The implied point total, Cowboys at 25. The 3 1/2 point favorites a 47 point over under. I'm having a lot of trouble breaking this one down because you have quite a few variables on both sides of the ball. Will Michael Gallup play? What does the offense for Aaron Rodgers look like without Devonte Adams this week? Dak Prescott not having Tyrone Smith, it's who do you have winning this game? I'd love to know your top level prediction here.

[Andy Holloway]

Top level prediction. I still have the Cowboys winning because I think where you beat the packers the running game. And this to me says Ezekiel Elliott will have a great game at home. Even without Tyron Smith, you know, really doing work against a weak run defense. The packers passing defense has been pretty good. This should be a close game. But you take out Devonte Adams, I think that, I think the packers are going to have a hard time on offense.

[Mike Wright]

I'm taking the Cowboys and I'll take the points too. I'll take them to cover like Aaron Rodgers is it. He's been living on an Aaron Rodgers name now for quite a while. And you take Devonte Adams out of this equation, it's going to be different with Geronimo. Even though you know Geronimo and Marquez, they're fine fantasy starts because they should see some volume. And Rogers can always surprise on a weekly basis. But I think that Green Bay's offense is going to struggle mightily in this one.

[Andy Holloway]

Aaron Rodgers, you know, Last week the Quarterback 2 Get Right game for Devonte Adams, the weak Philadelphia Eagles secondary. And so, oh, he's back. But keep in mind, Aaron Rodgers, the first three weeks of the season was the quarterback 24, quarterback 19 and quarterback 25. Now he loses. Devonte Adams, he. He's to me a guy that like I don't really love. I don't want to start Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike Wright]

He'S a fringe start for me too.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Jones is the player I Love the most on the Packer side of the ball because I think his baseline is going to be jettisoned forward by a number of dump off pass attempts. Jamal Williams coming off a monster injury last week. Aaron Jones is going. I think Aaron Jones catches the ball six times in this game at a minimum. We saw after Adams went down, it was Jimmy Graham and it was Aaron Jones. So I actually like Aaron Jones a lot on that side of the ball. I don't feel very comfortable like mbs. You can play them, right? I mean.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, both them and Geronimo. You can play them. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you can play all three, including Jimmy Graham in there as a third. The matchup is actually great. The Cowboys are weak against tight end, but if you get a lot of Aaron Jones dump offs, you know, a lot of Jimmy Graham type of targets, that's where I'm saying, yeah, those players will be relevant, but those aren't the targets that you really want to. To Sustain Aaron Rodgers.

[Jason Moore]

39 routes run by Aaron Jones in Week 4, which was the most in the NFL at the running back position. I think that was a product of the situation with Devonte Adams, who's missing.

[Mike Wright]

This week now, and Jamal Williams missing as well.

[Jason Moore]

You feel pretty confident with the prognosis given now to Adams where it looked bad and now it looks like maybe he misses a week. Would you go out and try to acquire devonte Adams on the basis that last game started as good as a game has ever started in his career? The injury, are you a little worried it's going to linger?

[Mike Wright]

As soon as the news came back, mostly positive, and this was before it hit this upward trajection and recently he was trying to go by Devonte Adams. Go. Go to a team if they're struggling and they have Adams and they need a player now. Yes. I want Adams on my team.

[Jason Moore]

All right, let's. You guys good? Moving on.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Colts, Chiefs, Colts, 2 and 2. Chiefs 4 0. Chiefs 11 point. Home favorites at Arrowhead, 56 point over under.

[Mike Wright]

Well, hello.

[Jason Moore]

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

No, seriously, give me. I have Patrick Mahomes and I'm facing Russell Wilson. And Russell Wilson got off to a hot start. So I need that. I need vintage Mahomes, Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

What are my odds?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the nice thing is this game is not in a dome. And so what we know is that in Patrick Mahomes career, he has. He has not thrown touchdowns inside of a dome. Right. Didn't he?

[Mike Wright]

You're on your own here, man.

[Jason Moore]

Not really following.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I heard that that was his first indoor game. Yeah. Last week was his indoor game. And clearly he's just not the same Pat Mahomes indoors. Yeah, we take that to the bank.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't hear.

[Mike Wright]

I thought you were going Lizard King.

[Jason Moore]

I did, I did. We had heard some rumors that if Sammy Watkins is indeed the Lizard King himself, then he's had some problems in night games when he's not exposed to the sun. I mean, he's.

[Mike Wright]

Because he's got to moderate the temperature.

[Jason Moore]

Let's get real about Sammy Watkins for a second though. Let's get real.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

He's been terrible.

[Mike Wright]

He has been very bad for fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So what do you do with him?

[Andy Holloway]

I think 100% play him.

[Jason Moore]

The question here written into our show, Doc, as we prepare this thing is the saddest question ever in the way it's posed. Is this the week he doesn't disappoint you? Yes. Isn't that the story of the life of Sammy Watkins? The question we've asked since he was drafted. Is this the week he doesn't disappoint you?

[Andy Holloway]

It's at home, a 56 point over under with Pat Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

You don't have a choice, right?

[Andy Holloway]

You don't have a choice. He's in the last three games. Take away the monstrous week one in the last three games. He is on pace for 144 targets through those three games. I know that it hasn't happened, but also he had that touchdown punched out last week. I mean, nobody's complaining if last week instead of 3 for 54 was 4 for 62 and a touchdown. He has a fine week. And so I think the amount of targets that are coming his way. You have to start Sammy.

[Jason Moore]

I'm all for the following, the volume because he's been leading the team in targets. I'm all for that. It doesn't speak like I don't want to give him credit for dropping a touchdown, but I'll give him credit for getting a lot of targets. He's running 70% of his routes right now to the slot. Damian Williams will be back. He's a must start if he's back. Right.

[Andy Holloway]

100%. Seen a lot of Damian Williams questions of can you start? He came back to practice as full participant. I expect him to be the starter now.

[Jason Moore]

It does move Darrell Williams back to the bench, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

And then Patrick Mahomes obviously lined up to explode in this one. 11 point favorites.

[Mike Wright]

And I think Darrell goes back to the bench. Shady McCoy to me is Still, a play like the way it's. This is a different Andy Reid offense where he is using the two guys. Shady and Darrell were splitting work. Darrell was actually getting that passing work that, that Damian will be seeing. But I think that they're both perfectly fine to start this week.

[Jason Moore]

I agree with you on that. I also know what this Colts defense wants to do, which is to funnel the. Funnel the ball to the middle of the field. Keep it in front of you. They don't want to give up big plays. Travis Kelsey. I think this is the breakout week for Travis Kelsey. It's lined up to be at a minimum. What do you want? Patrick Mahomes. Do you want. You want him to score on 10 plays or one play? I mean more time, more time off the clock means that you are in this game longer against an explosive offense. And the Colts are actually really good at preventing those big plays. Whether they can keep up on the offensive side, I don't know. Now, Saquon Barkley officially ruled out. We do have breaking news on that. Officially ruled out of the game. Not that we expected him in.

[Mike Wright]

Sanity prevails.

[Jason Moore]

You just don't know. So what do you do with. Real quick. Don't want to leave them yet. But DeMarcus Robinson, McCall, Hardman.

[Mike Wright]

Robinson.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

And then Hardman is just, he's that flyer if you, you think a 50 yard touchdown is coming, which it certainly.

[Jason Moore]

Could, but Goose is you if he doesn't get it right. Jason, any thoughts on Hardman?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, say I echo the same thoughts if you want a home run play. He is that, but he's hot or cold. I mean you're not going to end up with a 6 for 60, you know, regular 10 point game.

[Mike Wright]

And DeMarcus was disappointing because he was 4 for 35 this past week. But once again, like Sammy Watkins, it was nine targets for Robinson. It was, it was. It's that indoor, the indoor narrative. Got the Patrick Mahomes.

[Jason Moore]

I didn't even know that. I had no idea what you were talking about because Patrick Mahomes, I just assumed has played in a dome game before, but he hadn't.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he'll.

[Jason Moore]

He'll adjust. I think he'll really adjust.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he'll be okay in his next dumb start.

[Jason Moore]

Now, Mike, you have Jacoby Brissette as your start of the week. I think that is, I think that you do have a wider range of outcomes than maybe you. Okay, so you do acknowledge that on the road at Arrowhead, but having to keep up, you hope Ty Hilton's out there to help out. He's been great when he's been active. But even head coach Frank Reich has come out and said that bye week's just sitting right there. Ty Hilton's been fighting through re injury. The bi week is sitting there next week. If he doesn't go now, I think he fights through and plays because that's traditionally what Hilton does, especially missing last week, got two weeks off. But if he doesn't go, that's still a possibility.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. And I'll say to speaking to Jacoby, I mean three of the four games it has worked. The other quarterback against the Kansas City defense or yes, against the Kansas City defense, the one who didn't pan out, it was Derek Carr. But I mean Gardner Minshew was able to put up points. Lamar Jackson and then recently Matty Stafford. So it's yes there, it's a, it's a bit of a volatile play to go with Jacoby Brissette, but I think he's got it in him.

[Andy Holloway]

And before we leave this game, I just want it known Travis Kelsey is going. You want to talk about a get right game. Like the matchup here is so perfect for him to destroy worlds. I think he's going to have the biggest game of the year this week.

[Jason Moore]

Marlon Mac, if he's out. Do you play Jordan Wilkins? I mean right now the Chiefs are giving up 22.4 fantasy points per game to the running back position. I like Naim Hines over Jordan Wilkins. If Mac misses the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, but Wilkins would become a flex.

[Jason Moore]

He would for you. Yeah, because of the run heavy attack and the need to slow that game down.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how every team tries to start against the Chiefs is we're going to run the ball, keep it away from their offense and it works for a so six carries. It works until the second quarter when Pat Mahomes goes nuclear.

[Jason Moore]

The Cleveland Browns take on The San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco on Monday night. The 49ers are three and a half point home favorites. Vegas giving them a tip of the cap with this great start that they've had and I think that they have every chance of keeping it going in this one. Two weeks removed from their last game. Players getting a little healthier. I don't think Tevin Coleman plays in this game, but Matt Breida, Raheem Mostert are must plays. Is Baker Mayfield going to continue moving forward, moving this offense forward? We saw them impressively win on the road last week, completing 67% of his passes last week looked A lot better.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a tough match. I believe, in the 49ers defense. What we've seen the first three weeks of the season was they look like they're a legit great defense. And when you have two weeks to prepare with a really good defense. I am. I'm not starting Baker.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Not starting Baker. You've got to start Nick chubb, though.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. 100%.

[Jason Moore]

20 for 165 and three last week. San Francisco is only allowing 75 rushing yards per game right now. Fifth best in the NFL.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Adjust your small sample, though.

[Mike Wright]

I'm adjusting my expectations and my hopes for Nick Chubb.

[Jason Moore]

Are you really?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Like, I don't think he's. It's. It'll be a longer stretch to get him into the top five than to not in which Nick Chubb should be a locked and loaded type of guy.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely been impressed, like you said, with the run defense. Nick Chubb just seems to be a machine right now. Yep. All right, Odell Beckham, you have to start him. Jarvis Landry, would you start him if he's active?

[Andy Holloway]

I feel like I'm chasing those points if I start Jarvis Landry, but obviously, you watch him last week. He was unbelievable. He was, you know, and that was in their first win, so it worked. But I have a hard time chasing what happened last week when the first three weeks, you know, he wasn't inside the top 45 wide receivers.

[Mike Wright]

He had fewer combined yards week one through three than he did in week four.

[Andy Holloway]

And this isn't a great matchup. I would like to pivot off of Jarvis, which sounds crazy after what happened last week, but I don't expect, you know, Odell Beckham to be this silent observer on a weekly basis. So I'm going to. I'm going to stick with what I saw the first three weeks over what we saw last week. Odell's in. Jarvis is not.

[Jason Moore]

You guys buy into Ricky Seals Jones at all? Is a streaming tight end play this week?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, just look. I mean, in. Joku had a role, a role that we were all excited for.

[Mike Wright]

Three targets for Ricky Seals.

[Andy Holloway]

It was downfield. It was.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, it was very busted plays. I mean, three. Like, if you had shown me, okay, Ricky Seals Jones got seven targets, I would say, okay, I'm maybe interested in.

[Jason Moore]

Even though the Eric Ebron or Ricky Seals.

[Andy Holloway]

Ebron.

[Jason Moore]

Jason Whitten, Ricky Seals Jones, probably Whitten. For me, I'd probably go upside Jason's Face says it's Whitten, so he faces his. Ricky.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, my. My face says Ricky. Okay. I mean, they just. They just got Ricky Seals Jones involved there. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

With a limited potential. Jameson or. Yeah, I must say Jameson Crowder, Jarvis Landry banged up. There's opportunity there they're getting, but Jarvis is.

[Mike Wright]

Jarvis is not banged up. He's either playing or he's not.

[Andy Holloway]

And yeah, he didn't. He officially passed protocol, so he's in.

[Jason Moore]

Antonio Calloway coming back from suspension.

[Andy Holloway]

That's interesting. I think that helps the offense as a whole.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like Brooks should be forced to start Dante Pettis every week because of what he's done to this show.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he could be happy if he does that.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we have him ranked wide receiver 66, so we'll see.

[Andy Holloway]

Said.

[Jason Moore]

Could, could, could. George Kittle. Are you excited about this matchup? Coming off the by, the Browns have been pretty vulnerable to the tight end. Is this a get right game for Kittle? Are we going to see the Kittle in Kelsey in week five that we've been wanting all year long?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, this is this. This week starts what you drafted these two guys to be.

[Jason Moore]

All right, like I said, Saquon officially out. Let's go ahead and move on.

[Andy Holloway]

Ballers on a budget presented by fanduel.

[Jason Moore]

Every week you can enter the fantasy footballers leaderboard series. Go to FanDuel.com ballers enter, you'll get a chance to win an all expenses paid trip to come hang out with us. See a podcast. People who finish first through fifth through the week, get a DFS pass. It's a really fun way for listeners to come together, get in on it, compete. That's FanDuel.com ballers my baller's on a budget pick. I'm looking for a bargain play. I think an interesting basement play, a cheap play is Naim Hines this week. Yeah, Naim Hines I think will win the day in terms of snap count at the running back position. He's as cheap as it gets at the running back. Spot on Fanduel right now facing Kansas city. He's only $4,800. So I like Naim Heinz.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to go with Auden Tate.

[Mike Wright]

I like this one.

[Andy Holloway]

The second Golden Tate. Look, Auden Tate over the last two weeks has been on the field like week one. He was only on the field 35% of the time. It was some other bum out there trying to play the A.J. green role. And then they're like, wait, what about that giant man should we put him on the field? And now the last two weeks, he's been on the field 88% and 91% of the snaps. He has 16 targets in the last two weeks and he's played pretty darn well against two good defenses. Buffalo, two weeks ago, he had 10 targets, six receptions, 88 yards and was pretty good. Last week, four for 50. Now you lose John Ross and you have the Arizona Cardinals matchup where you've got two bad defenses, two offenses that want to play fast. There should be a lot of fantasy points scored in this game. And he is extremely cheap. You want to talk baller's on a budget for Fanduel. I mean, he's $5,300. I like putting out, you know, Christian McCaffrey and the great running backs of the world that are really expensive. But I know what I'm going to get. You can't do that unless you got some Auden Tates in your lineup.

[Mike Wright]

And they're the hopes and dreams for Tyler Ifert this weekend. That could just go to Auden Tate.

[Andy Holloway]

Like there is a world tight end size.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And he will run some routes out of the slot where the tight end has really killed the Cardinals. My pick here. Look, sometimes when. When you're on a budget.

[Andy Holloway]

This is crazy.

[Mike Wright]

You got a clip the coupons and you're trying to find a player that. That like part of DFS and part of FanDuel is you want a low ownership. The ownership I project to be very low.

[Andy Holloway]

0.1%. And the point one is gonna be you.

[Mike Wright]

Listen, we kind of trashed him during the matchup breakdown. But Kirk Cousins, he's only $6,800. He gets the Giants. Here are the quarterbacks that are cheaper than Kirk Cousins. Derek Carr against Chicago. No, thank you. Mason Rudolph gets Baltimore. No, no. Chase Daniel, he gets Oakland.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Maybe you can budget talk.

[Andy Holloway]

Me, Chase Daniel.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And then Luke Falk against Philadelphia. Like, if you are scraping the bottom, Kirk Cousins is where it has to stop. We talked about it is possible, it is in the realm of outcomes that their lead is built by just a real efficient touchdown scoring game. Maybe Kirk Cousins throws the ball 18 times but ends up with three touchdowns. Like that could happen. And would you build a stack?

[Andy Holloway]

Would you stack him with Thielen or Thielen?

[Mike Wright]

I'm open to it. I don't know Thielen's price off the top of my head, but it has to have dropped for what his expectations were compared to the beginning of the season. So if you're going for low ownership and you want to just feel real bad.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe you want to feel real bad. Tune into Ballers on a budget.

[Mike Wright]

It could go either way.

[Jason Moore]

Week 5 DFS podcast is out now as well. Search for Fantasy Footballers DFS podcast and a reminder the Fantasy Footballers leaderboard series go to fanduel.com Ballers compete with us this week. Couple other updates. Jamal Williams remains sidelined at Friday's practice. I don't think Jamal Williams plays. That adds to the Aaron Jones has got a guaranteed workload involvement in the passing game, right? Devonte Adams still sidelined. Kenny Stills will be a game time decision. We do expect Michael Gallup to be back. That's the expectation from Beatriders around Dallas. So this would help Dak Prescott be able to put up a better performance in that game. And like I said, Saquon is going to miss. Saquon's out. Unbelievable. The 48 week four to eight week timeline is going to go into week two and then Jarvis Landry has cleared the protocol as we said. He should be back in this game.

[Andy Holloway]

And Adam Schepter just tweeted that Sean McDermott said Josh Allen remains in the.

[Mike Wright]

Concussion protocol and he ain't playing then.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting. Matt Barkley time guys.

[Mike Wright]

Hooray.

[Jason Moore]

Tennessee Titans. Anything less would be Uncivilized.

[Andy Holloway]

I was going to say Tennessee Titans time.

[Jason Moore]

All right. Want to thank the studio sponsor Pristine Auction. Todd Gurley signed jersey yesterday $68.36 one of hundreds of daily sports memorabilia auctions. Pristine Auction.com use the registration code Ballers. Good luck this week in week five. We'll talk to you on Sunday. Mike will be there one hour before game time.

[Mike Wright]

I will see you then. Goodbye.

[Jason Moore]

Take care.

[Andy Holloway]

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