Week 5 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Old Mother Hubbard - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/3

Summary

Fantasy Footballers – Week 5 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Old Mother Hubbard

Episode Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Mike “The Fantasy Hitman” Wright, Jay Grizz (Jason Moore absent)

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode covers pivotal Week 5 fantasy football matchups, with the usual expert breakdowns, start/sit debates, and as always, plenty of playful banter. The team reacts to Thursday Night Football, dissects the latest NFL injury headlines, previews key games for weekend lineup decisions, and immerses the listener in the “Fantasy Face Off” with another hilarious Wheel of Shame segment.

Jason Moore is notably absent (“he’s quit the podcast… just for today,” joking Andy at 02:42), leaving Andy, Mike, and Jay Grizz to carry the show, which includes an extended dive into start/sit strategy, deep-dive streaming options, and how to handle the rash of injuries in the fantasy landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Night Football Recap: Rams @ 49ers

• Game Result: 49ers win 26-23 in OT.
• Fantasy highlights for Matthew Stafford (389 yards, 3 TDs); Kyren Williams’ day is bittersweet with a receiving stat line but crucial fumble and fourth down stop.
• Quote (Andy, 03:31): “That was a very fun game… another big fantasy performance from Matthew Stafford. Two in a row. Seriously, 389 and three.”
• Discussion about the Rams’ RB situation, Kyren’s fantasy volatility, and Sean McVay’s questionable play calling.
• Puka Nacua (“kept doing what he always does,” Andy 04:08) and Kendrick Bourne (breakout) shout-outs.
• The 49ers’ continued struggles with rushing TDs (zero in five weeks).
• Mac Jones’ resilience: “For definitely playing through injury. He’s got a brace on the knee… faces this Rams defense … goes out there with a bunch of backups and wins the ball game.” (Andy, 07:16)
• Humorous debate about whether Mac Jones is “a dog or a cat” after injury dramatics (06:23).

2. News & Injury Roundup (09:23-14:32)

• Brock Purdy: Turf toe, could miss Week 5+ (“They’re in good hands with Mac Jones at this point.” Andy, 09:30).
• Michael Pittman: Added to report (hamstring), status uncertain. Jason unhappy—“I will not share his response.” (Jay Grizz, 10:38)
• RB shake-ups:
  • Brock Bowers (DNP – risky play).
  • Bucky Irving OUT; Sean Tucker & Rashad White next up.
  • Chuba Hubbard out; Rico Dowdle a must pickup for Carolina–“The Hubbard injuries considered week to week…Rico should be picked up.” (Jay Grizz, 12:31)
• Fun sidebar: “Old Mother Hubbard”/”Old Lady in the Shoe” nursery rhyme debate (13:04-14:33) – classic off-the-cuff Fantasy Footballers humor.

3. Week 5 Matchup Breakdowns & Start/Sit Debates

Cardinals (2-2) vs. Titans (0-4)

(15:16–18:56)

• Titans’ Cam Ward (rookie QB) under the microscope — “He’s taken seventeen sacks. It’s not been good for the Tennessee offense…” (Andy, 15:44).
• Cards RB committee: Michael Carter (goal-line/early downs) vs. Amari DiMarcado (passing down); Carter the preferred play this week (Andy, 17:39).
• Marvin Harrison Jr.: “If he scores, you’re happy. If he doesn’t score, you’re very sad.” (Andy, 18:04)
• Tony Pollard: still a fine RB2, but offense tough to trust.

Bucs (3-1) @ Seahawks (3-1)

(18:56–23:27)

• The "Baker Mayfield/Sam Darnold Reunion" game—Baker's potential without Bucky Irving or Mike Evans questioned.
• Mike: “I’m focusing on the targets … ten targets is pretty awesome in your first game back” (re: Godwin, 21:28).
• Start/sit RB: Rashad White over Rico Dowdle; Woody Marks potentially over Rashad White.
• “Ken Walker is the upside play and Charbs you… you just cross your fingers and hope that he gets a touchdown.” (Jay Grizz, 22:59)
• Darnold streaming in play, but Kyler still ranks higher.

Lions (3-1) @ Bengals (0-4)

(25:31–30:34)

• Bengals’ offense “ruining fantasy lives” (Andy, 26:08).
• Start/sit struggles: “I don’t know if T. Higgins is… worthy of the name.”
• Jamar Chase: “He can make a play so good after the catch…Chase is still in my lineup.” (Andy, 27:36)
• Jameson Williams: “You don’t want him on your bench when it happens…It’s coming.” (Andy, 29:11)
• Sam LaPorta: “If you need five points, no more, no less.” – underwhelming upside lately.

Commanders (2-2) @ Chargers (3-1)

(30:55–36:07)

• Jaden Daniels’ return spices up Washington’s offense.
• Chris Moore as a deep DFS dart throw (Andy, 32:32).
• Lad McConkey and Quentin Johnston both “starts of the week” from hosts—Mike: “Targets are there, want to see it pay off.”
• Amari Hampton’s emergence: “Maybe top 5 back rest of season.” (Andy, 34:09)
• Jacory Croskey-Merritt – high ceiling, risky floor, best as a bench stash this week.

Patriots (1-3) @ Bills (4-0)

(37:23–43:13)

• Pats usually play Buffalo tough but remain big underdogs.
• Drake May: "The prophecy...good baseline on the ground is coming through." (Mike, 39:19)
• James Cook: “He is very good…post bag [contract].” (Andy, 39:27).
• RB split: Stevenson still primary with Hendo a threat; both will stay involved.
• Stefon Diggs: Still a start but volatile; “He feels like he could be a trap” (Jay Grizz, 41:41)
• Target share roulette among Bills WRs—Keon Coleman leads, but production lags: “Back to receiver roulette.” (Jay, 42:03)
• Kincaid (start of the week) & Hunter Henry recommended TEs for needy managers.

Chiefs (2-2) @ Jaguars (3-1)

(45:18–50:39)

• KC favored; Jaguars a “house of cards?” “They should be 4-0” even if the offense feels shaky (Andy, 47:01).
• Chiefs have no tempting RB starts (“There is no temptation to play Pacheco or Kareem Hunt,” Jay, 47:30).
• Patrick Mahomes: still an easy start.
• Andy’s Start of the Week: Xavier Worthy.
• Hollywood Brown & Justin Thornton: Not startable at this point.
• Brian Thomas Jr: “Still going to keep playing him…he’s a trade-for candidate” (Andy, 49:13)
• Targets matter, but not all are equal: “Not all targets are equal, that’s…an actual reality.” (Andy, 49:37)

4. Fantasy Face Off & Wheel of Shame

(50:44–55:53)

• Mike spins the Wheel of Shame for a 3-for-4 week (“You know you got to be perfect. That’s the message.” Andy, 51:09).
• Mike must wear a tight astronaut helmet—classic hijinks (“Mike just knocked the crap out of his...You underestimated the size of my head!” Andy and Jay, ~52:05).
• Hosts make their Prize Picks player projection picks:
  • Andy: Baker Mayfield OVER 222.5 passing yards; Breece Hall OVER 67.5 rush yards; Jacoby Myers OVER 3.5 receptions; Theo Johnson UNDER 15.5 longest rec.
  • Mike: C.J. Stroud OVER 222.5 passing yards; Alvin Kamara OVER 56.5 rush yards; Quentin Johnston OVER 59.5 receiving yards; Jake Ferguson OVER 4.5 rec.
  • Jason (picks announced by Al Borland): Drake Maye OVER 225.5 passing yards; Javonte Williams OVER 69.5 rush yards; Darius Slayton OVER 3.5 receptions; Darren Waller OVER 1.5 receptions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Thursday Night Football, Kyren Williams’ day:
  “Happy guys are the Kyren fantasy managers and the sad guys…Kyren (himself), because he had the devastating fumble on the goal line.”
  — Andy Holloway (03:51)

• Mac Jones’ resilience:
  “I’m choosing to give him 100% credit, 0% criticism for last night…he goes out there with a bunch of backups and wins.”
  — Andy Holloway (07:05)

• On the Bengals’ offense:
  “The Bengals offense is ruining fantasy football lives at this point.”
  — Andy Holloway (25:36)

• RB chaos in Carolina:
  “Chuba Hubbard did not practice again…Rico Dowdle should be starting…It might be a two week absence here where you get Rico Dowdle as a fill in.”
  — Jay Grizz (12:27)

• Wheel of Shame mishap:
  “Mike just knocked the crap out of his…You underestimated the size of my head!”
  — Andy Holloway (52:05)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Thursday Night Football recap: 03:31–07:42
• Injury updates/news: 09:23–14:32
• Matchup breakouts begin: 15:16
• Cardinals vs. Titans: 15:16–18:56
• Bucs vs. Seahawks: 18:56–23:27
• Lions vs. Bengals: 25:31–30:34
• Commanders vs. Chargers: 30:55–36:07
• Patriots vs. Bills: 37:23–43:13
• Chiefs vs. Jaguars: 45:18–50:39
• Fantasy Face Off & Wheel of Shame: 50:44–55:53

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Tone & Spirit

The episode is characteristically sharp, insightful, and laced with humor—banter about nursery rhymes, the size of Mike’s head, and “is Mac Jones a dog?” tap into the Foot Clan’s love of both hardcore and lighthearted fantasy football content. Even amidst serious injury analysis, the group keeps things lively, relatable, and actionable.

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In Short

A classic, robust Footballers Friday: matchup breakdowns, injury triage, laughs, and practical start/sit advice — plus a memorable astronaut-helmet-forfeit in “Wheel of Shame.” Ideal midseason listening for fantasy managers seeking sharp insight, good vibes, and a leg up in Week 5.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

The Fantasy Footballer studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, welcome in, Andy, Mike and Jay Grizz.

[Jay Grizz]

Grizz. It's been a while since I've seen him.

[Andy Holloway]

He has been a while. He hasn't made an appearance in quite some time now. Does he inherit Jason's toilet trophy?

[Jay Grizz]

Well, does a bear crap in the woods?

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome in Friday, October 3rd. Mike. Right. Andy Holloway. We're here. We've got a show. More matchups to dive into.

[Jay Grizz]

Week five, Jason played the Rams. DST everywhere.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey. Played him against you.

[Jay Grizz]

So he.

[Andy Holloway]

He's like, against me.

[Jay Grizz]

I'm out.

[Andy Holloway]

I wonder if he can do one thing every day to get himself tilted because there's been like, what Wednesday was the neighbors trade in the middle of the show that he was very.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Thrown off, kilter about. But no, no Jason today. He's quit the podcast. He's done. He said he's.

[Jay Grizz]

He's done for today.

[Andy Holloway]

Just for today. Yeah. Yeah. But we've got a great show. We've got matchup previews, Fantasy Face off, which, you know, he didn't have to. He doesn't have to spin the wheel of shame.

[Jay Grizz]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

He could take a day off. You do?

[Jay Grizz]

I do. Man, that's a bummer.

[Andy Holloway]

Not a great feeling because you went. You went three for four.

[Jay Grizz]

It doesn't feel the worst.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jay Grizz]

I guess because. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Like, what was the one you missed?

[Jay Grizz]

Jordan Mason. Because that game got.

[Andy Holloway]

What did you have?

[Jay Grizz]

He was.

[Andy Holloway]

He was just yardage.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. He was short of his rushing yardage.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

The game script got out of control. But. But, I mean, between the three of us, 11 of 12 on those prize picks, projections for the Face off, it's pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

Took his winnings and he just took off. He took off. You know, we got a lot going on. We had a Thursday night football game. You talked about the Rams defense. 49ers win it in overtime, 26 to 23.

[Jay Grizz]

That was a very fun game.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you got another big fantasy performance from Matthew Stafford. Two in a row. Seriously, 389 and three. You know, Kyron had a great fantasy football day. Eight for 66 through the air.

[Jay Grizz]

Who tweeted that out?

[Andy Holloway]

Was that Yafi Touchdown? Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

There was a tweet that was just.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Happy guy on one side of the bus, sad guy on the other side of the bus. And the happy guys, the Kyren fantasy managers and the sad guys. Kyren, because he had the devastating fumble on the goal line. He had the fourth down stuff in overtime. Although we can blame Sean McVay for the call.

[Jay Grizz]

I 100% do.

[Andy Holloway]

And he.

[Jay Grizz]

And he does too.

[Andy Holloway]

He blamed himself. I mean, Puka kept doing what he always does. 10 for 85, 5 for 88 for Devonte Adams. We had the Kendrick Bourne experience on the 49ers side. It wasn't DeMarcus Robinson.

[Jay Grizz]

I had DeMarcus Robinson in the listener league. Is that. I mean, that's a 14 teamer. And my team, I had to find someone to play and I was like, okay, it's fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

I mean, and then, no, it was Kendrick Bourne. It was. It was bittersweet because if you followed the show for a length of time, I've always had a soft spot for Kendrick Bourne.

[Andy Holloway]

There are certain players that when they're given opportunities, they always perform.

[Jay Grizz]

And he's just not last week, Kendrick Bourne, that's fair.

[Andy Holloway]

He dropped. He dropped that path born. But he's, you know, DeMarcus Robinson had a touchdown opportunity. He ended up out of bounds on it. But it was the Kendrick Bourne show. The Christian McCaffrey show, per usual, still not really efficient or effective on the ground. I mean, it's five weeks for them and they haven't had a breakaway run. He doesn't have that opportunity.

[Jay Grizz]

The run. Blocking the second level for the 49ers is horrific. It is. Their pass blocking is actually okay. And it's always interesting to me, you're like, how can a unit of the same guys be good at pass blocking? Not run blocking. But it is two different skill Sets. And you see this.

[Andy Holloway]

Zero rushing touchdowns in five weeks for the 49ers.

[Jay Grizz]

Well, Shanahan didn't help that. When they got down to the two and they're like, all right, second down is the trick play to juice. Everyone knows it's going to happen. And then throwing.

[Andy Holloway]

Maybe he's like, this McCaffrey guy can't get a rushing touchdown. I'm going to try something else. So, no, it was a wild game. I don't think a lot of people gave the 49ers a chance. No. The injuries.

[Jay Grizz]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

And Max Jones, I mean, 342 and.

[Jay Grizz]

2 and 4 season ending injuries in one game. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Including some dry heaving.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

He got. I don't know if he got hit in the groin or in the tum tum, but one of them was. He came off and it was like, is he puking?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he was.

[Jay Grizz]

And then you had the, the calf where he goes down, it does not move for minutes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. We had debates on whether he's a dog or a cat.

[Jay Grizz]

My Twitter was full of it of like, is Mac Jones officially a dog? And I'm like, I think so. I don't. Yeah, you don't want to totally discredit someone.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he's had the historical. Like, a lot of people would have gotten surgery for this. I didn't.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Al Borland said he thinks he's an actor.

[Jay Grizz]

Well, the thing is, when you go down like that and you're grabbing your calf like, I mean, at first I bet everyone watching that in the fantasy community went, oh my gosh, he tore his Achilles. And that was not the case. He. He gets up and he jogs off at full speed.

[Andy Holloway]

Got some Paul Pierce in there.

[Jay Grizz]

It. That's what I mean of when you take that many shots and then you're just look like you're full mobile. Maybe he just is that much of a dog.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm choosing to give him 100% credit, 0% criticism for last night because we'll go 70%. Okay. He goes on the road. He.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, he's a dog.

[Andy Holloway]

For definitely playing through injury. He's got a brace on the knee.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

He faces this, you know, this Rams defense that Jason's talked about a lot. Clearly Jason talked about him in a more positive sense than anybody else because he played him everywhere and he goes out there with a bunch of backups and wins the ball game. So I just thought it was, you know, it's very similar to Kevin o'. Connell. Kevin o' Connell with a backup quarterback, Kyle Shanahan forever with backup quarterbacks. They're all functional.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

They all get it done. In fact, I think it didn't even. Did Dobbs play for both of them at one point?

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So, I mean, it's like that's, that's.

[Jay Grizz]

The, that was the big question about Brock Purdy, who I think is a.

[Andy Holloway]

Very good quarterback, whether it was system or. But it's like, what does it say about Trey Lance?

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, God. I was going to say, what does it say about Trevor Lawrence.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

That Mac Jones could have been on that Jags team.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

And at least giving us fantasy value for. I know the Jags are winning, so.

[Andy Holloway]

No, there's. There's a good.

[Jay Grizz]

But they're not helping our fantasy teams.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right. It's Friday.

[Mike Wright]

Put clan Friday.

[Jay Grizz]

Also, I just wrote the last thing of the. A couple people before the game were messaging like, hey, why not Brian Robinson? Don't you think with the lack of receiving and not wanting to run McCaffrey into the ground on a short week, it's like, I'm not interested in Brian Robinson. And 22 carries and nine targets for Christian McCaffrey.

[Andy Holloway]

Just somebody asked this morning, do you trade him before he breaks? And I'm like, I just said, just ride it. I mean, you write it. You got your chance. I mean, what if he scores? Goodness sakes. Yeah. All right. Our foot Clan Friday winner this week. Every Friday, we give $100 away to fantasychamps.com for some sweet championship swag. This week's winner, Matthew 492342, 4601. Congratulations, Matthew, on the $100. All right, let's talk news.

[Mike Wright]

News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Andy Holloway]

They did come out and say officially Brock Purdy had a turf toe setback in Week 4, could miss additional games. They seem in good hands with Mac Jones at this point.

[Jay Grizz]

As long as he's healthy. I mean, he's got a longer rest.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jay Grizz]

And he's going to have reinforcements. The news on Ricky Pearsall, Juan Jennings positive for returning week six. And our hero, George Kittle may be back next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you got to be excited about that for one of your teams.

[Jay Grizz]

So excited for that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. So we. Will they get some extra time off like you said? Michael Pittman added to the injury report yesterday due to a hamstring injury.

[Jay Grizz]

That's not good.

[Andy Holloway]

Officially limited or listed as limited? No, it's not good.

[Jay Grizz]

The Thursday injuries are always bad news. A hamstring, you know who's got him? What Jason. Yeah, he. When we. Because we share, you know, in the work chat, making sure everyone's up to date on all the injuries and everything. He did not respond. No, positively. When. When I shared that.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, did he. Did he respond to that?

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, I will not share his response.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's. He's letting him fly. All right, we have news. Brock Bowers didn't practice after being limited on Wednesday. Now he's not practicing.

[Jay Grizz]

Also very scary.

[Andy Holloway]

That seems. You know what's wild is in our chopped league, our guillotine league.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Two teams with Brock. Barriers have been cut already. A bunch of money spent on him again this week, and he is. He's just not healthy.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, I said I'm pushing him through.

[Andy Holloway]

The injury, and maybe that's not the best call.

[Jay Grizz]

I have comped Brock Bowers for that league to the ring where everyone, Whoever has Brock bars. You better find someone to watch that video. Yeah. Or you're in a big, big trouble.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's.

[Jay Grizz]

It's.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not great. I'm just trying to find this Jason response. Okay, we have Lamar Jackson not practicing. You know, he's probably not going to play. Juwan Johnson returned to a limited practice.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay, that's good.

[Andy Holloway]

Had a down week last week. Miles Sanders didn't practice again. Jaden Blue will make his day.

[Jay Grizz]

Blue. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. Hey, switch.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay. It's a Friday.

[Andy Holloway]

Terry McLaurin has been ruled out for the commanders. We had official news. So yesterday on the show, I said, debo's back at practice.

[Jay Grizz]

Well, he was spotted at practice, which I.

[Andy Holloway]

Which I mentioned that he was back. It was Ian Rapaport. And then later on, he was officially listed as did not practice. Some people from commander's camp said he looked good, warm, you know, playing on the sideline. I mean, I don't know. He's still up in the air because he didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. Heel injury is what's listed. Calvin Ridley not practicing. He had been banged up. That's why the snap count was low. And Bucky Irving officially not expected to play and may miss more than one week, which means Sean Tucker, Rashad White. Welcome to the party.

[Jay Grizz]

Absolutely. And then Chuba Hubbard did not practice again.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh, yes. How do we not mention that he would. Rico Dowdle should be starting.

[Jay Grizz]

Rico Dowdle will be a decent volume start. We'll see, you know, if. We'll see if the other ETN can get more involved for the Carolina Panthers, but for now, Rico should be picked up. The Hubbard Injuries considered week to week. Team does not plan to put him on the ir. But this, it might be a two week absence here where you get Rico Dowdle as a fill in.

[Andy Holloway]

Was it old Mother Mother Hubbard that lived in the shoe or is that a separate story? Who lives in the shoe?

[Al Borland]

There was an old lady.

[Andy Holloway]

Old lady.

[Jay Grizz]

Old Mother Hubbard did something with her cupboard.

[Al Borland]

We can't confirm nor deny if it's the same old lady. It might be.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, Al. But he jumped in. So, you know all these opportunities to jump in on the show and contribute. But nursery rhymes. Yeah, he was all about it. You had it on lock over there.

[Al Borland]

I got nothing on you guys when it comes to fantasy football analysis. Nursery rhymes. I could. I could school you.

[Andy Holloway]

Picking your spots. Cannot confirm.

[Jay Grizz]

Don't get me started on little Jack Horner.

[Andy Holloway]

Could be cupboards in that shoe. That's all I'm saying. All right, that was news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company, affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions.

[Jay Grizz]

We just got a photo of old Mother Hubbard's cottage. Oh, that is rumored to be where the rhyme. And it is confirmed. Not a shoe.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not a shoe. I don't think the shoe layout is conducive to living. Standard living.

[Jay Grizz]

I mean, how high is the toe box if it's at least, you know.

[Andy Holloway]

You'Re saying the tower. So you want like seven feet. That's 90 ceilings. You want like a nine foot ceiling?

[Jay Grizz]

Well, of course I want it. I'm just saying that when you live in a shoe, there's just a lot of options.

[Andy Holloway]

You have a second story, but it's not the entire footprint of the house. Yeah. Are there laces on the shoe houses?

[Jay Grizz]

Well, otherwise it would be just open and exposed to the world.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it's more like. Okay, it's held closed.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. More. It was an old. Stop talking. Okay. All right. Into the forecast.

[Mike Wright]

Fantasy forecast presented by Prize picks.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know why we're talking about it. Al could probably come out with his own. His own podcast. We had matchups yesterday. Vikings, Browns, Raiders, Colts, Giants, Saints, Cowboys, Jets, Broncos, Eagles, Dolphins, Panthers, Texans, Ravens. Covered them all yesterday. If you want to listen to yesterday's show, we'll break them down. Or we did break them down. Today we have six more matchups to cover. And then we'll get into the fantasy Face off as well. The Tennessee Titans at 0 and 4, who have looked I think hapless is a good word to describe their offense.

[Jay Grizz]

It's not going well.

[Andy Holloway]

They take on the Arizona Cardinals who were two and two coming off of two close losses. Vegas line Arizona minus seven and a half. The over under 41 and a half. So we got a couple number one overall picks here. Kyler Murray. The record after seven seasons for Kyler Murray. 38, 47 and one. There's one season where he won more than eight games.

[Jay Grizz]

So yeah, there was one year where it looked like he could win the MVP and then he got hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they started like seven and oh, that year. Yeah. Well, if you look at the entire list of quarterbacks since 2000 with a completion percentage lower than 52% and less than 10 yards per completion through the first four career starts, there's one name on the list. It's Cam Ward. Man, he's taken 17 sacks. It's not been good for the Tennessee offense. He has really maybe if you saw the press conference with him, can't repeat it, but he had strong words about how the team's playing and it's.

[Jay Grizz]

That's the wrong word. Just, just real quick on the long term, like how does this team not clear house at the end.

[Andy Holloway]

They have to like the cup.

[Jay Grizz]

That's. And then now it's Cam Ward who had a bad rookie season. Having to learn a brand new offense in year two.

[Andy Holloway]

May not be Brian Callahan like one in 17 or something.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, he's.

[Andy Holloway]

And he. His press conferences look like. It's like the presidential thing where like you started with joy in your face and then you come out with a gaunt face and sadness.

[Jay Grizz]

Just saying of like it's going to be tough. It's going to be an uphill climb for Cam Ward.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it does seem that way a little bit. So love to see him get going. But we have a matchup also of Tony Pollard in the third and fourth string. Cardinal running backs. Michael Carter, Amari D. Markado, tons of discussion about them. Whoever you signed in free agency, you are making the case of why that player is the better player to have. To me it's, you know, Michael Carter on early downs, Amari D. Markado on third downs and two minute drill.

[Jay Grizz]

Michael Carter profiles as the goal line back.

[Andy Holloway]

Should that up and down in a game like this where The Titans are 29th against opposing running backs and the Cardinals are favored by seven and a half, you would expect there to be some salting the game away time, some running game success. If I had to choose between them for this week alone, it would be Michael Carter.

[Jay Grizz]

Agree. That's what I would do if.

[Andy Holloway]

Is DiMarcado a flex play this week or is he outside of that realm? Would you go Rico Dowdle?

[Jay Grizz]

I would play Dowdle, yeah. I think I'd go over him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So I am curious to see how Marvin Harrison Jr. Follows up the redemption game where he started off looking terrible. You know, his story has always been, if he scores, you're happy. If he doesn't score, you're very sad.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. But good matchup at home. I'd play him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I think Kyler, you know, he hasn't finished in the top 15. I think he does that this week. That's. I have a good feeling about Kyler this week against Tennessee. The running game for Arizona, whether It's Carter or DeMarcusato, not as much success as they would have had with Benson or Connor. So I think the running game, running through the air, as we say in the screen game, that'll benefit Kyler. On the other side, Calvin Ridley. You can't play him. IO Manor. You. You really. You can't play him.

[Jay Grizz]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Unless you're desperate. Desperate. Bye. Week two flex leagues.

[Jay Grizz]

Tony Pollard is still fine.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he is. That is the best compliment you can pay a man on an own four team right now.

[Jay Grizz]

He's doing his best, everybody.

[Andy Holloway]

He really is. Which is.

[Jay Grizz]

And we've had the targets the past couple of weeks, so he's a fine start as like a fringe RB2.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we get another battle of the same draft class quarterbacks here. Tampa Bay at 3 and 1. Seattle 3 and 1. Vegas Line, Seattle -3 and a half over unders 44 and a half. Mr. Sam Darnold, Mr. Baker Mayfield, former Panther greats.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, they probably should have kept one of those guys.

[Jay Grizz]

No. Because we wouldn't have this.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. If. So they asked. I think they asked Baker if he and Darnold reminisce about the good old days in Carolina. He said, reminisce about what days? And then he said, no, we don't.

[Jay Grizz]

I. But I mean, they should. They have a. Should have a shared trauma.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jay Grizz]

Maybe that brought them closer together. Like, dude, this sucks.

[Andy Holloway]

Did you see Baker came out and he said it was really personal when he beat Steve Wilkes & Co. And in one of their matchups. Because Wilkes was the head coach in Carolina or the. He was the head coach, I think when they let Baker go.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

And so Baker took that personally. And then Steve Wilkes came out and he said he was an Interim head coach at the time. And Steve Wilkes is like, yeah, yeah, I heard that. And he's like, I didn't. I don't think I had any say over personnel decisions. He said, if I did, we wouldn't have traded Christian McCaffrey. And I was like, yeah, I guess that's a good point. But in this game, Baker will not have Bucky Irving, who had been so valuable in moving this offense along. They won't have Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. It was 10 targets, three receptions. Still getting his feet under him. Where are you with this offense altogether? Like Baker in particular, you know, no Bucky, no Evans. That scared me. I'll be honest. That frightened me a little bit. I didn't expect Lasers. No, the Lasers would be going to a Buka and Godwin and Sean Tucker and Rashad White. So where are you? What's the vibe?

[Jay Grizz]

I mean, vibe is just a. The Bucks have. The Bucks and Baker have proven that they will overcome things. Baker is apparently just that good because the matchup for, like the quarterback Seahawks against the quarterback position 11th right now, second against wide receivers. It's not going to stop me from playing Baker or Ibuka. Chris Godwin. I'm focusing on the targets that there was 10 of them and it was his first game back, only caught three of them. So when you look at the box score and you're upset that you played Godwin or you're upset he's on your bench and you're like, he didn't do anything. 10 targets is pretty awesome in your first game back.

[Andy Holloway]

They are underdogs, so it profiles to be a game where they may have to throw the football quite a bit. That's the one area Seattle's been really good against is the wide receiver position number two, only giving up 18.5 fantasy points a game. Rashad White. Let's do some start sit with Rashad White or Rico Dowdle. Ooh.

[Jay Grizz]

I'd go. I'd go Rashad.

[Andy Holloway]

What about Woody Marks? My start of the week? If it's your team, you got Woody Marks. Against Baltimore, they've struggled. Or the platoon with White.

[Jay Grizz]

That'S really tough. I might go Woody. The hard thing to know is what will they. How will they split it up? Because Rashad White has been a workhorse for this team, but it's like the Amari D. Morcato thing of he kind of has his role in the offense and now we project Michael Carter to kind of step over him and take the early down role. So it's possible that that ends up being Sean Tucker. That's the fear.

[Andy Holloway]

Tucker is not like the question of is he too risky? Like, I think Tucker gets work.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, I do too.

[Andy Holloway]

It's so I, I think Tucker's still a like a more desperate flex play. But you're in a bi week. You have no Josh Jacobs, you have no DeAndre Swift, you have no B John. I could see a shot there.

[Jay Grizz]

I'd play Rico over Tucker.

[Andy Holloway]

Ken Walker, Zach Charbonnet. The dance continues for the Seahawks.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. Kenneth Walker is the upside play and Charbs you.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the downside play.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes. Yeah, he's a basement play. You just cross your fingers and hope that he gets a touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

JSN is an auto lock start and we're just watching cup and Horton at this point.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll see if Elijah Arroyo gets more opportunities in the passing game. Barner scored the touchdown last week and you know, Darnold's been playing well, completing 70% of his passes, not turning the ball over. He's starting to enter the streaming conversation in certain matchups.

[Jay Grizz]

Absolutely.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you play Darnold over Kyler?

[Jay Grizz]

Mm, my rankings say I wouldn't, but my heart says I might do that.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't like that. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back with some more matchups.

[Jay Grizz]

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[Andy Holloway]

Oh, this will be pretty. Detroit 3 and 1 taking on the Cincinnati Bengals in Cincinnati.

[Jay Grizz]

It's going to be pretty for my DST.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the vague the Vegas line here. Detroit minus 10 on the road. So you're on the road. Your 10 point favorites. The over unders 49 and a half. That gives the Lions almost 30 points, the highest implied point total of the week. The Bengals offense is ruining fantasy football lives at this point. Yeah, Chase Higgins, Chase Brown. I mean we haven't mentioned a tight ends name in Cincinnati all year. Nor should we.

[Jay Grizz]

Well, Noah Fant will be back, everyone.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that'll fix it.

[Jay Grizz]

I was letting you know the news.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what, if he can block play offensive line, then sure, that could help. The Bengals have the lowest average time of possession in the entire NFL. So they not only are they not productive when they have the ball, they don't have the ball very much. 31st in yards per play and yeah, this is not, it's not going to be good. I mean, how did they get this schedule? Well, we.

[Jay Grizz]

So rude.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I mean we. When they were two and oh, and the injury happened, it was very easy to look at this schedule and say they're going to lose the Minnesota game, lose the Denver game, lose the Detroit game. They'll lose next week against Green Bay, they'll lose against Pittsburgh. You want to have a game at home against the jets, that's your next chance in the gate. But what do you do, Mike? What do you do with Jamar Chase? T. Higgins. I had somebody offer me T. Higgins. I think we were talking yesterday. Maybe I'm interested. To you it might have been on the footcast actually. And somebody had offered T. Higgins in a trade. And it's like the name, it hits you right away. It's like, oh, that's not so bad. I ended up turning the trade down. I just ended up walking away from it. It was like, I don't know if T. Higgins is what he. If at any point this year he's going to be anything worthy of the name.

[Jay Grizz]

Well, Jamar Chase.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, it doesn't seem that way. Jamar Chase will have his games, though, because he can. He can make a play so good after the catch where, like, Chase is still in my lineup.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay. Jamar, Chase or Keenan?

[Andy Holloway]

Don't do this. Yeah, Chase. I'll play Chase.

[Jay Grizz]

Jamar or Zay Flowers? I'll play Chase Jacoby.

[Andy Holloway]

Chase.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you went to that tier. If Lamar was healthy, that might have been a different discussion with Zay Flowers.

[Jay Grizz]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

So Chase Brown, though, at this point, Chase Brown is somebody you keep playing, but he's not doing anything with it. Yeah, he's tons of opportunity.

[Jay Grizz]

I think he is an easier play because of the position and the volume he's getting than the wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Dowdle. I'd play over him.

[Jay Grizz]

I'd play Dowdle.

[Andy Holloway]

Jcm, Jakori, Crosky, Merritt. Would you play him or Chase Brown? Is that your answer or you just want to hit the button?

[Jay Grizz]

Well, you got to hit the button. You got to respect the button. Bill Crosby, Crosky. I would. I'd play. I'd play Chase Brown. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Apparently there was discussion in the office yesterday. Michael Carter or Chase Brown. What was the decision on that one?

[Jay Grizz]

It was a struggle.

[Andy Holloway]

There's. There's.

[Jay Grizz]

We all just shrug. Man, you can't start sitting decisions with the Bengals is impossible.

[Andy Holloway]

Look at. Look at this. Look at this.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. 49ers doubt he did. It's. Look, if there's a time to do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. It's when Mac Jones leads you to victory on Thursday night.

[Jay Grizz]

They are.

[Andy Holloway]

You love Mac Jones, right?

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, he. The 49ers are three no. Against the division.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, they are.

[Andy Holloway]

Speaking of schedules that worked out. They played great, though.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, they did.

[Andy Holloway]

They did play great.

[Jay Grizz]

They're well coached. No more Bengals start sit. Questions.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Jameer Gibbs playing Montgomery's Jason start of the week. Almond Ra. Yep. I would play Jameson Williams. Jameson Williams is. You don't want him on your bench when it happens, and he has. Last week, he had seven opportunities for a long touchdown that didn't work out. I would hold on to Jameson Williams. It's coming. I truly believe that. Sam Laporta, he's in the T.J. hawkinson world right now. Sam Laporta. If you need five points, no more.

[Jay Grizz]

No less of him. I still believe in Sam Laporta.

[Andy Holloway]

So from. Yeah, if you needed Sam Laporta, he'd be there for you. But right now, 4.1, 5.3, 5.4. So those of you with Sam Laporta right now, I Wouldn't count on him winning your week.

[Jay Grizz]

It's like Hunter Henry better than.

[Andy Holloway]

I would play Hunter Kincaid.

[Jay Grizz]

I would play Kincaid.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep. Pitts, obviously he's on by this week, but that's been the start. I'd play Waller. I'd play.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, wow, you'd go to Waller.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. I think Waller is. I was doing some more reading on Waller and like it was an. It was a team instituted snap restriction.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And he's also been limited in practice. Same thing, team restricted. He has come out and said he's the ramp. He's like, I'm ready for more if the team's ready to give it to me. So we'll see if he gets 50 plus percent of snaps or not. But yeah, I mean, Sam Laporta right now just doesn't offer you enough upside. That's how it feels. I agree.

[Jay Grizz]

But the 30 point implied team total is.

[Andy Holloway]

You want a piece of that?

[Jay Grizz]

You want guys in there? Give me that. Yeah. I mean, it's wild because it's like Jared Goff could legitimately have five touchdowns and that's spread around to whoever. Jared Goff could have a single touchdown. And then Monty and Gibbs have two each again.

[Andy Holloway]

That makes them the tough team. Now, you know, I'm on. Rob will get his. That's the one thing that always happens. The commanders are 2 and 2. They take on the 3 and 1 Los Angeles Chargers who were upset last week by the Giants. The Vegas line chargers minus two and a half. The over under is 46 and a half. So the Chargers knocked out of the realm of the unbeaten last week. What are we left with? Phillies unbeaten. Right. Four. No. Who else is undefeated?

[Jay Grizz]

I think that's. Wait, have the.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm looking over is the Bills lost. The Bills haven't lost, have they? Correct. Is there anybody else? Is that the only two teams?

[Al Borland]

I believe so.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, let's see.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So we got Buffalo and Philly.

[Jay Grizz]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

That's a little rare through four weeks to not have more undefeated.

[Jay Grizz]

And we have two. Wait, three. Three winless teams.

[Andy Holloway]

Titans, Saints and the Jets.

[Jay Grizz]

You got it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. Why do I know those faster than I know the winners? Welcome to fantasy football.

[Jay Grizz]

We remember who let us down.

[Andy Holloway]

We do. We remember. The Birds are more powerful than the lucky wins. Sorry, not lucky wins. Skilled win. Lucky losses.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Or unlucky losses. Jaden Daniels returning in this game for the Commanders. It makes the game a lot more exciting. They're only Chargers, only two and a half point home favorites in this one. But the injuries on the side of the commanders. They do make you feel a little uncomfortable. No. Terry McLaurin, Debo, the practice situation. We'll see. So, you know, okay, if you want a DFS shot, Chris Moore is your DFS shot. There second most routes run by the commanders last week, believe it or not.

[Jay Grizz]

I do believe it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you'd be like, who's Chris Moore? And it's like, I don't know. That's been the. I mean, he's done this so many different places. You remember Chris Moore had those games in Houston a few weeks, a few years ago where all of a sudden it was like, wait, why is. Why is that player doing something like he finished his wide receiver 10 in week 14 for Houston back in 2022. Mr. Necessary.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, there's just. I'm not, not messing around. No, there's like, like Luke McCaffrey somehow.

[Andy Holloway]

Some way, we have two starts of the week from the same receiving core on the other side.

[Jay Grizz]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason went with lad McConkey, then flood the country. Quentin Johnston was Mike's start of the week. You know what's funny is I was so surprised when he made lad McConkey the start of the week. Like, just what are you doing?

[Jay Grizz]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

If you do look deeper, there is some real compelling reasoning to why he might start to have some games. I mean, the one thing we saw this morning, no receivers have faced more double coverage than Ladd McConkey and Keenan Allen. Hello, Cuge getting the opportunity that he's had.

[Jay Grizz]

See, even the defenses still don't buy in, like, nah, no, you can't do that. We got two years of tape on Cuge. He can't do it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the old advice on defense with Cuge was let him try to catch the ball.

[Jay Grizz]

Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

But the other argument is like McConkey's, the targets are there. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. It's again, Jason Randall Moore start of the week. Lad McConkey.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike went with Cuge. And you have an offense here. Amari and Hampton locked and loaded. Top 10 back rest of season, maybe top 5. We'll see.

[Jay Grizz]

Could happen.

[Andy Holloway]

What's wild is the sentiment around Hampton was So negative through two weeks, he's now one of only four running backs to have 250 plus rushing yards and 100 plus receiving yards through four weeks of the season with Bijon Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. So he's already, despite the limited work in the first couple weeks or limited success, he's in that great category. What do you do with the running backs on the other side.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh man.

[Andy Holloway]

The matchup against the number one ranked rushing defense in football for Jakori Krosky Merritt, Chris Rodriguez.

[Jay Grizz]

That's why the start sit question about Bill is so difficult. It was completely shared in week four. Chris Rodriguez 20 snaps. Bill Crosky 20 snaps. Jeremy McNichols 19 snaps.

[Andy Holloway]

It I can tell you what I'm doing.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I mean I have.

[Jay Grizz]

Because I'm just going to talk until you make me stop talking.

[Andy Holloway]

So I have Jacori Kreski, Meredies not in my lineup this week.

[Jay Grizz]

Over.

[Andy Holloway]

Well under right now it's a. It's Jacoby Myers. But Debo is also in my lineup right now and if Debo was ruled out, I would play Rico Dowdle before I play Jacori Krosky Merritt.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So I think that's the way I feel. I want, I want Jacori Kraskamir on my team.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not necessarily want him in my lineup this week or until I see more of an established like Jason made the point. He missed a lot of practice last week so maybe that's why the breakdown wasn't the same. He is the number one on the depth chart. So there, there could be the breakout coming. He's averaging almost six a carry but I'm willing to wait for it, then write it. Unless I'm in a bi week pinch.

[Jay Grizz]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

So he is start worthy. You can look for a big play. That's a nice thing is sometimes you have players like Nick Chubb, the big play is not coming. Players like Jakory, Crosby, Mary, they can get you a 60 yard touchdown. The day is made in the shade. Zach Ertz. Zach Ertz. What do you think?

[Jay Grizz]

I mean he's necessary but it is.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice to have Jaden Daniels back for Zach Ertz.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. So you had week two. He had the eight targets. Other than that it's been pretty rough of you know, 26 yards, 38, 21.

[Andy Holloway]

Well that would. Those two, two Mariota games that did concern me because they have that connection.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, he's startable. I mean would you. It's like Ertz or Hawkinson. Jason, does it go all the way up?

[Andy Holloway]

What do you think, Jay?

[Jay Grizz]

Does it go to La Porta for you? Andy, I'm J. Grizz.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll be honest, there's so much I think I got baited in that one. There's a J. Griz button that I hit.

[Jay Grizz]

It's supposed to just be a roar.

[Andy Holloway]

And it was supposed to be A roar.

[Jay Grizz]

It's a song now look.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, it is a roar. What did I hit? I hit it. Oh, you hit it. Oh my gosh. That was messing with my mind. I'm like, I see. That was a smart plan.

[Jay Grizz]

I thought you could have just gaslit him so bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, you could have. If you had messed with the roar button. That would have been a sweet plan. Thanks, Jay. Yeah, I mean I might go to La Porta in that situation for sure.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay, what about like Brenton Strange I go strange. I would too.

[Andy Holloway]

The New England Patriots. This will be fun. Taking on the the cold front Buffalo Bills. The other undefeated team. Buffalo 8 1/2 point home favorites. The over unders 49 and a half. The New England Patriots trying to break through these basement dwelling days and into the middle to upper tier of the NFL. I don't think they'll do it here. I also just think that if I was playing against a team with such a incredible jerseys as the Bills playing in that they're playing in this week, like I would never wear the jersey of another team. I just have this. That's just not something I can do as a Cardinal fan. This is close. This one's close. Like if I. If the Cardinals are out of the playoffs and Josh Allen's on my fantasy team, I'm wearing this Josh Allen jersey.

[Jay Grizz]

I can see that. But you need the whole fit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, the helmet really helps it.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, look, the Patriots, they have played the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills pretty close over the years even when they've struggled. Allen is just seven and six against New England since being drafted.

[Jay Grizz]

How is that possible?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. Somehow he's averaged just a 58% completion percentage and 18 fantasy points against New England. What? You know the Patriots will be up for this game. They will be. It's divisional. Mike Vrabel, they got it done last week in a dominating fashion. I do think that Buffalo, you know, they're going to win the game in my opinion. I don't see this as an upset. But Drake May's been getting it done. He's the only quarterback with 20 plus fantasy points in each of the last three weeks.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, he has been getting it done. Two of those weeks we saw 31 yards on the ground. He scored on the ground in that one too. Then 45, three for 11 this past week on the ground. But he did get the rushing touchdown. So it's it that the prophecy of Drake May giving us a good baseline on the ground is. It's coming through.

[Andy Holloway]

James Cook was the offensive player of the month for both the NFL and your fantasy team.

[Jay Grizz]

James Cook is cooking. He is very good.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what's ironic is before he wanted the big money for being one of the best backs in the league, we were all like, well, you're not one of the best backs in the league, so why do you want that money now? He got the money. Now he is the best back in the league. Like, he actually.

[Jay Grizz]

I feel like the argument was you're not utilized where we felt like.

[Andy Holloway]

By us.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, by us, yes. But I'm just saying from a skill perspective, I don't know if everybody thought that James Cook was a top five back. Like he wanted to get paid like that. And we're like, I think on the outset I'm going, well, every running back thinks that. But he was right. That's all I'm saying is like, he actually is. Credit to him for delivering post bag.

[Jay Grizz]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, Jason got the bag and look.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, he's not even here. No, he's a bear.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Took that bag and ran the bag.

[Jay Grizz]

Of the Rams DSD points.

[Andy Holloway]

The Rams dsd.

[Jay Grizz]

It's bountiful.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, so James Cook, that's easy. But Ramon Dre and Trevion Henderson on the other side. Last week you saw Ramon dre with still 57% of the snaps. Hindo 31%. Hendo got the little touchdown. That was nice. Opportunity wise. It was close routes wise. Ramondre still running more routes. Mike shaking his head like he doesn't approve.

[Jay Grizz]

I do.

[Andy Holloway]

They won. They won like 400 to nothing last week. Yeah, well, they do trust Ramondre and Ramondra brings different things to the. To the running game. Physicality wise, pass protection wise.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, I can agree with that. The. They beat up Carolina.

[Andy Holloway]

Honestly, I look at New England and Denver similarly, where the running backs and the confidence that the team has in J.K. dobbins and Ramon Ray Stevenson, I actually see pretty similar. I don't think either guy gets phased out ever. I think you're part of the offense. There's no. There's no way you operate this New England offense. I think with a hundred percent Henderson personally, just based on the size, that's fine.

[Jay Grizz]

We just give him half of the.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's throw him the ball some more.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. Utilize him properly.

[Andy Holloway]

Stefan Diggs is playing another. He's got a revenge game this week. He was six for one on one last week. Is he playable?

[Jay Grizz]

I question mark. I think so. A 63% of the snaps. But again, it was a. It was a massacre. 42 to 13. I. I don't. He feels like he could be a trap.

[Andy Holloway]

He's.

[Jay Grizz]

He's startable in this matchup but he, he would not surprise me if he's all of a sudden back. He's 4 for 42 or whatever.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's a little depressing reality for the Buffalo Bills wide receiver room where Kalusha Carrie had the touchdown last week. The leader in target share is Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman finished the wide receiver 79, 76, 49 the last three weeks.

[Jay Grizz]

It's back to receiver roulette.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean he had one good week and here we are, we're back receiver.

[Jay Grizz]

We're being asked Diggs or either of the Bills wide receivers. I would go digs.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Dalton Kincaid start of the week. Hunter Henry. He is the target cheerleader for the Patriots. You can play Hunter Henry.

[Jay Grizz]

Yes, you can.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you play Henry or would you play Darren Waller? I have that decision this week.

[Jay Grizz]

I would play Henry.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you?

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. I know that Jason's pretty hyped for Waller and I want to see more. More than 10 snaps or whatever it was. 10 routes. I don't. Don't recall. I know he had two touchdowns. That's awesome to see on. On that really limited opportunity but needs some more play time. It's like Dalton Kincaid like it's a. We're at a really weird place with Dalton Kincaid of. He is getting it done on a weekly basis but he is not on the field a ton. It's a. It feels like a house of cards that could just blow over in the wind at any moment.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Okay. Any other players in this game you want to bring up? No play. Josh Allen.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah. You should do that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Let's take a break.

[Jay Grizz]

I'm good there.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jay Grizz]

Don't change it.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, the Kansas City Chiefs 2 and 2 taking on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who have a better record at three and one against that. That calls for a Duvall. You know, Vegas line here. Kansas City minus three and a half on the road over under is 46 and a half. So Kansas City favorite here in Jacksonville. The respect is not there at home. And gotta.

[Jay Grizz]

Gotta earn respect.

[Andy Holloway]

Mr. Cohen, you know, he tried when he tried to fight Robert.

[Jay Grizz]

No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. You have to earn respect. You don't get to like, try and aura farm and be like, I'm so cool.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah, that voice. Somebody made me do that voice the other day.

[Jay Grizz]

The Liam Cone.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I was on. We were on the card stream with me and Nate and then, I don't know, some. Some player question came up on Jacksonville and then they're like, do the mic voice for. Do the Liam Cohen voice from Mike and I. And I'm like, wait, is that Because I was. I think I was going Duval.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, no, it's. Yeah, there you go. It's real nasally.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, that's. That's pretty fun. All right. Jags 3 and 1. Despite all the dysfunction, despite all the frustration with Brian Thomas Jr. Success in fantasy, despite not utilizing Travis Hunter, despite having some injuries on the offensive side, here we are at three and one. I mean, is that, is that impressive? Is this a house of cards as well where the offense doesn't look as good as it could be?

[Jay Grizz]

I mean they, they did beat San Francisco A pretty. You know, that's their only loss. The. The. The. Oh, San Francisco's only loss. Yeah. But they did also lose to the Bengals and Jake Browning, who threw multiple interceptions that week.

[Andy Holloway]

That was the game the injury happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that game was.

[Jay Grizz]

They're weird. I don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they should be four and oh yes, that's. I mean that game was. That was my. I think my almost upset was Jacksonville in that game and they were whooping them.

[Jay Grizz]

But it's like Carolina, Cincinnati with half a Joe Burrow, Houston and then San Francisco. San Francisco is a good win. It is. That's a very good win.

[Andy Holloway]

The defense is why they're so.

[Jay Grizz]

I don't know yet.

[Andy Holloway]

Their number. They're a very good defense. They're a top half defense. They're great against running backs. The Chiefs don't have any, so, you.

[Jay Grizz]

Know, that's great news. There is no temptation to play Pacheco or Kareem Hunt.

[Andy Holloway]

Patrick Mahomes though has been very, very good for fantasy top 10 in three or four weeks. They're favored in this game. They don't have a running game. Are you cool with Patrick Mahomes?

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, the Worthy was. Worthy looked pretty good. He looked pretty healthy. And Mahomes is. I mean at least the first couple of weeks he's running more. He still had five and four attempts at least registered. Didn't really give us any yardage. But if Mahomes is. If Mahomes is giving me a reason to play him, then I will be excited and be back in.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Xavier Worthy is my start of the week. He was targeted on 32% of routes last week and then. I'm not really messing with pass catchers for the Chiefs. Yeah, you could do Kelsey because you know, tight end is what it is.

[Jay Grizz]

But Thornton, it was a fun ride while it happened. Same for Hollywood Brown. It was just.

[Andy Holloway]

It was.

[Jay Grizz]

It was an enjoyable couple first weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Travis ETN is a must start at this point.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Believe it or not, the Chiefs defense, 24th against running backs. That is not something that has been the case. No, that's wild historically. But here we are. And then Brian Thomas Jr. You know last year's catch rate on on was 80%. It's 47% right now.

[Jay Grizz]

Brian Thomas Jr. You know the.

[Andy Holloway]

On. On plays down the field over 10 yards.

[Jay Grizz]

He is the Wolverine meme. Looking at a photo of Mac Jones remembering the good times that he had.

[Andy Holloway]

It's wild. Yeah. Travis Hunter is not startable. He might not be rosterable. We're very close and. But Brian Thomas. I'm going to go to the. Well, I'm going to go to the bat for. Yeah, I'm going to trade for. He is a trade for candidate for me.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going for. Was like Ash and Ginti last week. I'm going to. You know, this dude's on. On pace for 130 plus targets again. It's going to happen. He hasn't scored a receiving touchdown on the year.

[Jay Grizz]

Do we get to a point though where the Jacksonville targets don't matter? Like the Cleveland target?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Trevor Lawrence targets are not. Not all targets are equal. That's a.

[Jay Grizz]

That's an actual reality.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I do. Of course we pay attention to targets. When I go to the waiver wire in Dynasty, I'm sorting by targets, but they're not all created equal. Not even close. Where are they compared to the line of scrimmage? You know what I mean? It's like how about the Jameson Williams targets? I mean, I like them.

[Jay Grizz]

A dot matters but they're.

[Andy Holloway]

But they're down the field. So. Yeah. Brian Thomas Jr. Though I still.

[Jay Grizz]

Still in.

[Andy Holloway]

Still going to keep playing him still in. I am. Come back to me next week. Ask me if that was dumb. We did have some injury updates. Bucky Irving not seen practicing on Friday. Okay. He's not going to be out there. Same with Lamar Jackson. He is not practicing. He's going to miss his first game due to injury since 2023. Jaden Blue likely to be active. And Tyrone Tracy slated to practice on Friday. Camp Scatterman might not be alone anymore.

[Jay Grizz]

I would say that puts him unlikely to play this weekend, but maybe next weekend. And then we'll have to gather more data of did they make the move to Scatter Boo? Because they should.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Fantasy face off presented by prize picks.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, last week I went 4 for 4. Jason went 4 for 4.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mike, you were a pathetic 3 for 4.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, I apologize.

[Andy Holloway]

Pretty terrible 11 for 12 last week, but I guess that means you got to spin this.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

Wheel of shame.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Yes, yes. Every week we build a lineup based on projections in the price pick app.

[Jay Grizz]

And the shame of one for three or four.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you got to be perfect. That's the message.

[Jay Grizz]

All right. Spin the Wheel. I am extremely nervous about this week. We got League of Record loser granola man.

[Andy Holloway]

That does astronaut. You're an astronaut. You know you going to outer space.

[Jay Grizz]

What? Who proved this?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I mean, what's wrong with this, Mike?

[Jay Grizz]

I'm talking about the graphic. Oh, guys, you underestimated the size of my head.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, tell me he can get his head in there, please. Oh, he just. Mike just knocked the crap out of his. Do you have one of your ear monitors in still?

[Jay Grizz]

No, I have none in.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Nothing in.

[Jay Grizz]

Nothing in my ears.

[Andy Holloway]

Completely blind. Does that visor go up? Oh, okay. All right. There we go. There we go.

[Jay Grizz]

Now I'm. Now I'm a. Now I'm dead in space.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

No, I don't know if you know how space works.

[Andy Holloway]

Look, you can bring the visor up while you speak and then you go back into space.

[Jay Grizz]

Fine, Mike. I'm out of here. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

Every week we're building a lineup based on projections and prize pick. Picking a quarterback, running back, wide receiver and tight end. And we've got him this week. Al Borland is going to kindly contribute Jason's picks for the week. I am going to start Mike with the quarterback position.

[Jay Grizz]

Darth Vader in here.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you look. You look dumb. Baker Mayfield, more than 222.5. I'm going to believe in Baker on the road against Seattle.

[Jay Grizz]

I've got C.J. i've got. I went all my starts of the week this week because I'm not a coward. C.J. stroud, 222 and a half passing yards more.

[Andy Holloway]

Down goes the visor.

[Al Borland]

And Jason went with Drake May. 225 and a half passing yards and he took the more.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. My running back, Breeze hall. More than 67.5 rushing yards against Dallas.

[Jay Grizz]

All right, I'm back. Quinn Johnston, 59 and a half receiving yards more and the visors back down.

[Al Borland]

Did you go running back, Eddie?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

Oh, I can't hear.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike can't hear.

[Jay Grizz]

So.

[Andy Holloway]

So he.

[Al Borland]

What do we want here for Jason's pick?

[Andy Holloway]

We want running back and Mike, you.

[Jay Grizz]

Want my running back?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

Yeah, I'm back. I just saw. I got Andy's eyes that I need to start talking, so I started talking.

[Andy Holloway]

That's okay.

[Jay Grizz]

You can get Alvin Camara, 56 and a half rushing yards more.

[Andy Holloway]

Go ahead and give both. Give his running back and wide receiver and then I'll get my wide out.

[Al Borland]

All right. Jason's running back is Javante Williams. More than 69 and a half rushing yards Nice. And his wide receiver is Darius Slayton. More than three and a half receptions.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. My wide out was Jacoby Myers. This is my Green goblin. More than 3.5 receptions on the price prize picks platform. That's. That's a tough one. We've agreed that in our rundown in our lineup, we each can have one of the Green Goblins. That is a little bit of an advantaged projection. So which one. Have we gotten to that one for Jason yet?

[Al Borland]

We have not.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. And, Mike, have we gotten to that for you?

[Jay Grizz]

No, no, no. My. My Green Goblin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jay Grizz]

Is my tight end. Start of the week, it is Jake Ferguson, AKA Fergalicious, AKA Ferg Daddy. Four and a half receptions. Easy. More easy. All right.

[Andy Holloway]

My tight end, Theo Johnson. I'm going. This is one of the fun projections. 15.5 is the projection for his longest reception. I'm taking less.

[Jay Grizz]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

So Theo can't catch a pass more than 15.5 yards.

[Al Borland]

All right. And Jason's tight end is his Green Goblin. He went with Darren Waller. More than one and a half receptions.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay, that seems.

[Jay Grizz]

That seems doable.

[Andy Holloway]

That seems doable. All right, that was Fantasy Face off, presented by Prize Picks. Check out Max discounts on the app. Now use the code footballers and get $50 in lineups when you play. Five dollars. And that is one small step for Mike, one giant leap for that helmet. This thing is, you know, that cramped. Yeah. Well, no, your head is not a normal head jumbo. It's probably never coming off. All right.

[Jay Grizz]

I didn't think of that till just now.

[Andy Holloway]

That's gonna hurt.

[Al Borland]

I got a hacksaw.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, boy. Yeah, I'll help you out. All right, we are. We're wrapping it for today. Join me on Sunday morning. I'll be covering Sunday Live this week. I think Al Borno will be there with me.

[Al Borland]

I'll be here.

[Andy Holloway]

And we've got an exciting Sunday Live for you. Don't forget to set your lineups for those early, early games over there in England. I'm just staring at this iridescent. Say hello, Mike.

[Jay Grizz]

It's real foggy in here, too.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, no, that's good. We got you hooked up. All right, that'll do it. Hitting this button. We are done Sunday Live on Sunday. And then studs and duds and waivers Monday and Tuesday next week. Thank you for listening. Support the Show. Head to JoinTheFoot.com, become a Foot Clan member.

[Jay Grizz]

Goodbye.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot. Com and follow us on Twitter at theffballers.