Week 5 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Kerplunk!

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast - Week 5 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Kerplunk!

Release Date: October 7, 2019

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Introduction

In the fifth episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delve into Week 5’s standout performances and disappointing flops. Skipping over advertisements and intros, the trio provides in-depth analysis, insightful opinions, and actionable advice to help listeners dominate their fantasy leagues.

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Hosts’ League Updates

Mike Wright shares his league struggles, mentioning his team’s impressive yet ultimately loss-filled scoring streak:

• “My league of record team has been crushing with 166 points. Two weeks ago, unfortunately, I lost... I thought I was going to score 150 points this week.” [01:28]

Andy Holloway empathizes with Mike’s predicament, highlighting the pain of having a high-scoring team that still falls short:

• “It's painful to... play in a league where you get a point for winning your matchup and a point if you finish in the top half in total scoring.” [02:14]

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Weekly Rewind & Matchup Reactions

The hosts reflect on the unexpected outcomes of Week 5 games, emphasizing the unpredictability of fantasy football:

• Jason Moore criticizes the Oakland Raiders’ game script against the Bears:

  • “Those who saw the game script of the Raiders being up 17 points on the Bears, raise your hands and then look in the mirror and say yes, I am a liar.” [04:12]

• Andy Holloway points out the recurring frustrations with Sammy Watkins:

  • “He gets off to this enormous amazing talent... Then he gets hurt in week five. That's a perfect summary of six years of Sammy Watkins.” [06:20]

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Stud Muffins

Quarterbacks

1. DeSean Watson (Dallas Cowboys)

   • Performance: 28 for 33, 426 yards, 5 TDs; +47 rushing yards.
   • “This is why you keep playing DeSean Watson. He is the only player capable of giving you 50-plus point weeks at the position.” [14:05]

2. Russell Wilson (Seattle Seahawks)

   • Performance: Leading the season in touchdown passes.
   • “Russell Wilson is the quarterback one on the season and on pace for more touchdown passes than Patrick Mahomes.” [15:12]

3. Patrick Mahomes (Kansas City Chiefs)

   • Performance: Tweaked his ankle against the Colts.
   • “Patrick Mahomes narrowed his ankle but is expected to be fine.” [12:11]

4. Tyler Breeze

   • Performance: Outstanding performances setting up for future success.
   • “I expect him to start both of those games and Breeze to return against Arizona.” [16:14]

Running Backs

1. Christian McCaffrey (Carolina Panthers)

   • Performance: 19 carries for 176 yards, 2 TDs; 6 receptions for 61 yards, 1 TD.
   • “Christian McCaffrey is absolutely a cheat code.” [22:46]

2. Aaron Jones (Green Bay Packers)

   • Performance: 4 TDs, 75 yards through the air.
   • “You can keep starting your Aaron Jones.” [22:46]

3. Josh Jacobs (Las Vegas Raiders)

   • Performance: 26 carries for 123 yards, 2 TDs.
   • “He balled out. Looks great. Now he gets a bye week off to rest.” [25:00]

4. Leonard Fournette (Jacksonville Jaguars)

   • Performance: Leading the AFC in rushing with consecutive 100+ yard games.
   • “Leonard Fournette is turning into a great return on investment.” [26:14]

Wide Receivers

1. DeSean Watson (Dallas Cowboys)

   • Performance: 28 receptions for 426 yards and 5 TDs.
   • “DeSean Watson was a monster.” [14:05]

2. Will Fuller (Houston Texans)

   • Performance: 14 receptions for 217 yards, 3 TDs on 16 targets.
   • “He left two extra touchdowns on the field.” [33:28]

3. Amari Cooper (Dallas Cowboys)

   • Performance: Stellar performance leading the week.
   • “Amari Cooper, a monster.” [35:08]

4. D.J. Chark (Jacksonville Jaguars)

   • Performance: 8 receptions for 164 yards, 2 TDs on 11 targets.
   • “D.J. Chark is a weekly must-start.” [35:08]

Tight Ends

1. Jared Cook (Detroit Lions)

   • Performance: 4 receptions for 41 yards, 1 TD.
   • “Jared Cook was Mike's start of the week.” [38:42]

2. Travis Kelce (Kansas City Chiefs)

   • Performance: Consistently high-performance despite occasional setbacks.
   • “Travis Kelce is a target machine.” [39:13]

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Stinkers of the Week

Quarterbacks

1. Aaron Rodgers (Green Bay Packers)

   • Performance: Declining performance with only 3 touchdowns over three weeks.
   • “Aaron Rodgers is not the champion of fantasy football anymore.” [40:45]

2. Lamar Jackson (Baltimore Ravens)

   • Performance: Underwhelming game script against Pittsburgh.
   • “Lamar Jackson had a stinker of a game.” [43:47]

Running Backs

1. Damian Williams (Kansas City Chiefs)

   • Performance: 9 carries for 23 yards, 3 catches for 15 yards.
   • “I'm not concerned about Damian Williams...” [44:39]

2. McCoy (Kansas City Chiefs)

   • Performance: Zero rushes in the game, raising concerns.
   • “I'm worried about Shady.” [45:04]

Wide Receivers

1. Stefan Diggs (Buffalo Bills)

   • Performance: 7 receptions for 88 yards.
   • “Stefan Diggs rest of season.” [49:37]

2. Emmanuel Sanders (New England Patriots)

   • Performance: 1 reception for 9 yards, 1 TD.
   • “Emmanuel Sanders stunk it up.” [47:05]

Tight Ends

1. O.J. Howard (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

   • Performance: 1 reception for 10 yards on 2 targets.
   • “O.J. Howard, I think he's the biggest bust of the season.” [52:28]

2. Delaney Walker (Arizona Cardinals)

   • Performance: 1 catch on 2 targets for the second straight week.
   • “I'm disappointed to see back-to-back.” [53:00]

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Notable Insights & Discussions

• Sammy Watkins’ Inconsistent Performance:
  The hosts express frustration over Watkins' high potential overshadowed by recurring injuries.

  • “He gets hurt in week five. That's a perfect summary of six years of Sammy Watkins.” [06:20]

• Frank Reich’s Offensive Strategy:
  Praise for the Indianapolis Colts’ coach, highlighting strategic fourth-down decisions.

  • “Frank Reich’s decision to go for it on fourth and short was smart football.” [09:56]

• Patrick Mahomes’ Resilience:
  Despite a minor injury, Mahomes continues to be a formidable fantasy asset.

  • “Patrick Mahomes... He puts up 30 points. He’s not human.” [48:55]

• Keenan Allen’s Value:
  Emphasis on starting Allen every week due to his consistent target volume.

  • “Mike Evans is someone that you 100% have to start every single week.” [46:33]

• Running Back Depth Concerns:
  Concerns raised about diminishing returns from key running backs like Dalvin Cook and Chris Carson.

  • “Chris Carson... Sonny Michelle had a great game.” [27:45]

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers provide a comprehensive overview of Week 5, celebrating standout performances while cautioning against unreliable players. With strategic advice on studs to start and stinkers to avoid, listeners are equipped to make informed decisions for their fantasy teams moving forward. The hosts also tease upcoming segments, including a waiver wire show, ensuring fans stay engaged and well-prepared for the challenges ahead.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Footballers podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Rush.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, welcome in, welcome into the show. Andy, Mike and Jason. Back with you, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast Week five. Nearly in the books. Got a little kittle, little obj tonight, little baker, little chub. But most of our games are in the books.

[Mike Wright]

That's right, that's right. My league of record team has been as if you've been listening, it's been crushing. 166 points. Two weeks ago, unfortunately I lost. And then of course there was the story last week I scored the second most in the league with 132 points. In this league that's kind of where the scoring is. And, and I thought, you know what, I'm not going to go out like this. Second most by lost. I'm going to overdo. I'm going to score 150 points this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, there's something on Jason's mind to.

[Mike Wright]

Start the show today and I lost with 150 again.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought you were coping with it but you were preparing just for the opening today's show.

[Mike Wright]

This is. No, you're correct. I'm coping with it right now.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not fun. I'm sure our listeners have all been there. I've been there. It's painful to, I mean, Mike, you play in a league, one of your money league where you get a point for winning your matchup and you get a point if you finish in the top half in total scoring because you and your league, you can't cope like Jason can cope. So you need a little.

[Mike Wright]

I would like to change the league setting in our league.

[Jason Moore]

Jason yesterday, as he was seeing the inevitable loss was like, all right, Mike, tell me more about this system where the top half gets a point.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got a little Notebook out. He's taking notes.

[Mike Wright]

It's not fair. It's like the second highest scoring team three weeks in a row and lose is infuriating.

[Andy Holloway]

It is. It's less infuriating when you get a cheap win. Those feel great, but it's, it can be very difficult. It can be tough. You've had a very, very good team. I told you last week, I'm just going to be starting all of your opponents players as my starts of the week on the show. My predictive analysis will be dumbed down to throw the algorithms out the window, throw the fantasy points against out the window and just play who you're would have let me know that Josh Jacobs was going to score 30 fantasy points against the Bears if I just looked at your opponent.

[Mike Wright]

That's right. It's all you got to do.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Well, we've got a lot of reactions, not just from Jason, from the Week 5 matchups. Every Monday we like to step into the Monday punday extraordinaire. We've got Welcome I am the Walrus. Poo poo doo doo. It was inevitable, yet a down game.

[Jason Moore]

Well, look, those who saw the game script of the Raiders being up 17 points on the Bears, raise your hands and then look in the mirror and say yes, I am a liar.

[Andy Holloway]

Also, where's Waller?

[Jason Moore]

That's all right.

[Andy Holloway]

Legon McCoy.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's very fringe. Legon McCoy.

[Andy Holloway]

Stoolio Jones.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, come on.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's not fair.

[Mike Wright]

Well, follow it up with Pulio Jones. This is a sophisticated show.

[Andy Holloway]

Pammy Watkins. Yes, yes.

[Mike Wright]

Sammy Squat kids.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, not good. Melvin Gordon't.

[Mike Wright]

This is my favorite one.

[Andy Holloway]

And then we've got duck, duck. Mike Evans, Philop Flop. Oh, like flop flop rivers.

[Jason Moore]

Careful with that word.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Delaney needs a walker.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Sharknado.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, so it can be good.

[Andy Holloway]

A positive one. And DJ Chark week. Okay, that summed up the week. Sammy Watkins did the thing that you dream of. If your opponent has him and you need him not to score any points, which is start the game, be active, get hurt on the first play and never see them again.

[Jason Moore]

To be fair, if I was, I talked about this on the Sunday live. It was madness to see all the notes. You know, we go through the injuries, who's in, who's out, kind of the late breaking ones and then you cover. These are the players who are questionable. You need to monitor their health. You need to have a backup plan just in case. And I think there was four guys in that Sunday night game. Marlon Mack was a game time decision. Damian Williams was expected to play, but then there was a weird shadow of doubt cast. Sammy Watkins was a late addition. Ty Hilton may not play. So you spun the wheel. Three of those guys played and Sammy Watkins was the one who pulled up and left right away.

[Mike Wright]

I think, Andy, you have pointed out that his season.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I tweeted.

[Mike Wright]

Has been basically the career of Sammy that everyone's frustrated with.

[Andy Holloway]

Gets off to this enormous amazing talent.

[Mike Wright]

Game one, then you just kind of.

[Andy Holloway]

It disappears. Weeks two through four, you get caught.

[Mike Wright]

And then he gets injured and then.

[Andy Holloway]

He gets hurt in week five. That's a perfect summary of six years of Sammy Watkins. Now, I'll be honest, I felt like a darn fool after week one saying I don't want Sammy on any of my teams. But who's crying now?

[Jason Moore]

The Lizards out there?

[Andy Holloway]

Not me, that's for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Our king has let us down.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm surprised we're here again. But hey, you can follow the show on twitter @the ffballers. Follow Jason @ jasonffl. Send him a warm condolence message.

[Mike Wright]

I need it.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Wayne Goleman exited with a concussion. That's too bad.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

As did Mason Rudolph. A very scary play. Mason Rudolph, Wayne Gallman both concussed. Sammy Watkins, the hamstring injury. Patrick Mahomes, if you watched the game last night, tweaked his ankle.

[Jason Moore]

Who put this verbiage of he tweaked his ankle? His ankle was. Her tweak was kerplunked by a 300 pound man.

[Andy Holloway]

We don't have. We don't put kerplunked down. No one knows how to spell that.

[Jason Moore]

We can figure it out.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a K, right?

[Jason Moore]

Of course it's a K. Okay. But my point is.

[Andy Holloway]

Let me reread this. Patrick Mahomes kerplunked his ankle in Sunday's Week 5 loss to the Colts, but is expected to be fine. If you kerplunk your ankle, mind Mike, you don't. You're not fine the next week.

[Mike Wright]

You don't play through it the whole game. And Then they're fine next week. This, this is a, this is a, is a hard tweak.

[Andy Holloway]

It's a hard. He'll have, he'll be limited in some practices and he'll be fine. And the thing is, if you had Patrick Mahomes last night, it was very, very, very, very painful to watch because I said this.

[Jason Moore]

Imagine having a 300 pound man step.

[Andy Holloway]

On your ankle, which was also painful.

[Jason Moore]

Way worse.

[Andy Holloway]

Patrick Mahomes. But it was equally painful for my fantasy team because the Colts did exactly what they needed to do. The beginning of the game summed up their game plan. The Chiefs go down the field, you hold them to a field goal, then you take up six minutes on a drive. You couldn't stop them if you tried. If you ran the ball, every single player with Marlon Mack that entire game, you, you would have run it straight into the end zone. If they hadn't flipped the ball out left to Jordan Wilkins and lost 10 yards, Marlon Mack would have run straight into the end zone on that play too. It was a dominating, impressive performance by a great offensive mind in Frank Reich. Great offensive line and a great offensive.

[Mike Wright]

Line and a great offensive running back in Mac because there's a different, like Jordan Wilkinson.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks like Love Bell. I mean nobody looks like Love Bell more like, more than Marlon Mack.

[Jason Moore]

I wanted to say he looked like a real herky jerky version like Le'Veon Bell when he's waiting. He looks real smooth. Marlon Mack's kind of like, like a little, little frantic jumping, but he still gets it done. And I messaged you guys about. I was, I had to watch the game on delay so I couldn't react in live to it. But when Frank Reich went for it twice in one drive on fourth and short when you're supposed to go for it and he didn't read the old man curmudgeon football book that says you.

[Mike Wright]

Gotta take the points.

[Jason Moore]

And he actually used math and game analysis and broke it down and said, yeah, we need to go for it because our probability is very good that we get it. I got sweaty, I got a little hot and bothered. Felt feelings that I haven't felt in years. I needed to call a doctor.

[Andy Holloway]

Uh huh. Okay. Dangerous it was. So here's the thing about the analytics on that. The odds on converting aren't the only piece of the pie. The odds on converting are a part of analyzing that decision. Also the odds of winning when you actually get it, factor into the analytics. If you look at it and you say if I get this fourth down, I have a 72% chance to win instead of a 52% chance to win. It should motivate the decision. That's the secondary analytics that they started to use. They've converted, I believe, eight or nine consecutive fourth down plays. And it's just smart football. Unless you don't get it and then you get fired. I mean, that's the other side of it. If you, if you haven't earned kind of tenure with your, your team, with the ownership and all that stuff, you can't take those kind of chances.

[Mike Wright]

Frankly, I would argue, I would argue if you want to earn tenure with your team, take those smart chances and win more games and then earn the tenure.

[Andy Holloway]

Just imagine what Matt Nagy's thinking up now after seeing that game. Philip Dorsett exited with the hamstring injury, did the same exact thing as Sammy Watkins. Marquis Brown held out the majority of the game after his touchdown with an ankle injury. We'll monitor that. David Johnson apparently played through a bad back in the game. Now, it didn't stop him from hitting a season high in total yards. He also looked pretty good on the ground, which we hoped to see against Cincinnati. But Chase Edmonds was pretty good too. So if for some reason David Johnson missed this week, Chase Edmonds would be the only guy against Atlanta next week. That would be very nice. Josh Jacobs, briefly sidelined with an elbow injury, came back in. Darren Sprols left with a quad injury and well, you know what? I'm going to give him this. I'm going to give him.

[Mike Wright]

What are we doing here? Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Jay Gruden was fired today. We have a note in here that he still isn't sure who his quarterback is. I don't blame him. And I'm going to stand on. He had no chance.

[Jason Moore]

No, he did not have.

[Andy Holloway]

With the roster and injuries that he suffered in that time, I actually think he consistently outperformed what that team should have been able to do. When you are running out Colt McCoy and Adrian Peterson, you what hope do you have? And we all knew that going into the week. But Jay Gruden, I don't think he. Now maybe it was his time to go and maybe it was a mercy kill for him. I mean, just move on. But he did.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he wasn't fired. He fired them. That's what Gruden's saying.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Well, ironically, Bill Callahan takes over as interim head coach who is the same man that took over for his brother John in Oakland when he was fired.

[Jason Moore]

And he's already talking about, I Need to establish the run, ladies and gentlemen. Adrian Peterson is going to get the ball 20 times and rush for 30 yards and they're going to lose an epic fashion. It's going to be great.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyro Williams, Devin Singletary, Rex Burkhead to Sean Jackson. Ben Watson did not play. Weekly news and notes brought to you as always by the Sleeper app. Don't miss a piece of breaking news, injury updates, that sort of thing. Get the free app Today we're going to go ahead and get into the stud muffins.

[Mike Wright]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Per field Yates. This was the first week in history where five players scored 40 plus PPR points in the same weak. Yeah, some months, but only one man will lose with them.

[Mike Wright]

And it's me.

[Andy Holloway]

Because you are a Christian McCaffrey owner.

[Mike Wright]

That is correct. Most people have gone three and over the last three weeks with Christian McCaffrey. Especially if they stacked him with Mike Evans last week. Not me. Not me. I prove that you can come up against these big players and overcome. You can't.

[Jason Moore]

You're bringing hope for everything.

[Mike Wright]

Correct.

[Andy Holloway]

Alright, let's start with the stud muffins at the quarterback position. Everything came to fruition as we hoped for DeSean Watson against Atlanta. He was pretty upset after losing last week. Went 28 for 33 for 426 and five another 47 yards on the ground. This is why you keep playing desean Watson. I can probably say the same thing. I mean you've had a couple down weeks for Patrick Mahomes. Now one touchdown across two weeks. You just keep playing these guys because they are the only players capable of giving you 50 plus point weeks at the position. DeSean Watson was a monster.

[Jason Moore]

Finally started throwing the ball to Will Fuller.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's give credit to Russell Wilson. Russell.

[Mike Wright]

Russell Wilson.

[Andy Holloway]

Russell Wilson, by the way, is the quarterback one on the season and on pace for more touchdown passes than Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is on pace for 35. So after that hot start in the 50 last year, Russell Wilson's on pace for 38.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I definitely think Pat Mahomes will beat 35 when he gets Tyreek Hill back, which could happen as soon as this week. Presumably the hamstring injury is not going to be, you know, a super long injury for Sammy Watkins. Get the offensive line back.

[Andy Holloway]

I would be most concerned about Chris Jones who left that game, the defensive lineman. Without Chris Jones, you've seen the recipe to beat the Chiefs in my opinion. And teams are just going to keep trying to do it if they can. Although the Colts have an elite offensive line. Matt Ryan, big game. I believe. Five consecutive 300 yard games to start the year. 32 for 46, 330 and three. And they keep on losing. But they go take Arizona on next week in Arizona.

[Mike Wright]

He's going to be a great start. A lot of points in that game.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey. Shout out to Teddy Bridgewater. Four touchdown passes against Tampa. 314 yards. Both Teddy Bridgewater and Kyle Allen undefeated after Cam Newton and Drew Brees went out three and oh. Each of them setting the table for the return of their quarterbacks later in the year. As well as he can.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Did you catch the video of Drew Brees proving that he can throw the ball again? Like he peeped out the video.

[Andy Holloway]

It was an interesting pose after each throw.

[Jason Moore]

That's what I wanted to make sure that you saw that.

[Andy Holloway]

I felt like that was somehow therapeutic. The pose had to have been helping his thumb.

[Jason Moore]

He would throw the ball and then he would go into a ninja like defense where you think he is about to dodge an unknown assailant.

[Mike Wright]

It was absurd and looked like what a teenager would do in his backyard when he's trying to be super cool. Throw the ball.

[Jason Moore]

There's got to be a reason for it. But I don't know it. So it just looks really funny.

[Mike Wright]

And by funny you mean dumb.

[Andy Holloway]

He'll much like Saquon. He's going to beat the expectation for his return by a wide margin as well.

[Mike Wright]

But Teddy. Yeah. So to speak to Teddy Bridgewater. Shout out. But also pretty irrelevant next two weeks, Jacksonville and the Bears.

[Andy Holloway]

I expect him to start both of those games and Breeze to return against Arizona. That would be my expectation.

[Mike Wright]

I would like to start Breeze against Arizona.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And Jacksonville, Chicago. Just take those off, Drew. Those are games that you're going to get beat up anyway. Potentially at least. The Chicago one. Kyler Murray, big game for him. 10 for 93 and a touchdown rushing. First game without a turnover. He's the quarterback eight on the season. I'm not sure that, you know, on the Cardinals couldn't have got off to a worse start. Really. They're one three and one. Kyler Murray is the quarterback eight on the season through five games. Where are you at with him from a fantasy perspective? What you expected to see?

[Mike Wright]

I absolutely love what we're seeing. Fantasy wise from Kyler. He is a guy that I think you could still buy low on if you look at how I mean he's the quarterback eight and they never finish their drives in the red zone. So if that continues, if the trend continues where they just can't finish drives, whatever, you've got a top 10 quarterback. But if they actually figure out how to punch the ball into the end zone once they get to the 10 yard line, I mean, he'll be so many touchdowns left on the table for the Arizona Cardinals. And if that changes around, you've got a top four quarterback.

[Jason Moore]

Just to highlight the discrepancy, we often talk about, you know, your touchdown rate, how many, what percentage of your attempts are you throwing in a touchdown on? And Russell Wilson is a once again an astronomical number at 7.7 the league average. You know, it's year to year. It's right around that four and a half mark. Kyler Murray is sitting at 2%. 2% of his attempts are turning into touchdowns. If that number just goes to the league average. Yeah, then he's going to be, he's going to be dominating for fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

Even if it goes to 1% below the league average, he'll be great.

[Jason Moore]

Fair enough.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Tom Brady got it done against Washington in the end. 28 for 42, 348 and 3. He has a Thursday night game against the Giants because NFL scheduling is awesome. Gardner Minshew looked great again, didn't quite have enough to will his team to victory against the Christian McCaffreys, but 26 for 44, 374 and 2. I bring him up because fantasy owners want to know, is he, you know, startable? He has New Orleans, Cincinnati and the Jets.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think he's startable. He's, he's been, he hasn't had an explosive fantasy game, but he's been really steady and those three matchups are perfectly fine. And then I want to highlight the rest of the quarterbacks. Andy Dalton had a great game and my ballers on a budget pick Cousins. He came through three hundo, two touchdowns. And I think we didn't used to.

[Andy Holloway]

Be that excited about Kirk Cousins throwing 302.

[Jason Moore]

No, but it's 302. That's a great game. Yes, it is, but that was a product of the Giants. So we'll see if Kirk Cousins is able to keep it going. Before we move into the running back studs of the week, want to thank today's sponsor, Look, Foot Clan. Are you an Amazon prime member? Yes, of course you are. We know that. But did you know that you have Thursday Night Football? That's right. Thursday Night Football has returned to prime video for a Thursday third season. We were just highlighting it The Patriots will be taking on the Giants. And the cool thing is you can catch all the action on your tv, the web, your mobile, anywhere in the world. And the experience is next level. With Prime Video's X Ray feature, you can access those awesome next gen stats, play history, team information. It's available on iOS, Android, Fire tablets and Fire TV. And you can hear new takes on the game. You can switch over to sport broadcast legends Hannah Storm and Andrea Kramer for the play by play. So if you don't have cable or you simply want to experience the future of football, the future like Frank Reich is experiencing. Am I right? Tune in. This Thursday coverage begins at 7 Eastern kickoff, 820 Eastern. Also available on Fox and NFL Network. NFL Network simulcast subject to change Thursday Night Football is presented by Bud Light Platinum.

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[Andy Holloway]

All right, running back stud muffins Christian McCaffrey was insane. 19 for 176 and 2, 6 for 61 and a touchdown through the air. He is on pace for 336 carries, 1,878 rushing yards, 99 receptions, 892 receiving yards and three touchdowns. That's not possible. And yet. And you would think it would be even less possible because you know it's coming with Kyle Allen as your quarterback. And yet it is possible right now. Christian McCaffrey is absolutely a cheat code.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, so, I mean, you say it's not possible. It's real. It's not humanly possible. You saw him get banged up in that game. Go to the sideline it looked like he could. He was tweaking something. Not able to walk.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, they're saying, did he kerplunk or did he tweak?

[Mike Wright]

Well, it depends on what you.

[Andy Holloway]

He didn't come back in. If you can come back in after a kerplunk, he might have double kerplunk.

[Jason Moore]

A kerplunk is. You need a 300 pound man involved.

[Andy Holloway]

To fully get kerplunk.

[Jason Moore]

You don't just. You're not just walking along. Kerplunk. It doesn't happen like that.

[Mike Wright]

You have to have a 300 pound man.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, well, so he didn't.

[Andy Holloway]

So he wasn't like a body foul from Shaq. That's a kerplunk.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. Like if it's a 250, a guy who's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not a.

[Jason Moore]

That's baby stuff.

[Mike Wright]

I need to kerplunk you. No, man, you need to.

[Andy Holloway]

You can work hard.

[Mike Wright]

If you work hard, I can work on this.

[Andy Holloway]

You can kerplunk away.

[Mike Wright]

I gotta add a little lbs. I'll get there soon.

[Jason Moore]

Just taking videos. Running up.

[Mike Wright]

Snap. Just kerplunk.

[Jason Moore]

Gotcha.

[Mike Wright]

I did it.

[Andy Holloway]

You hit 300. I want to hear that.

[Mike Wright]

As a Christian McCaffrey owner, it was really scary when he was on the sideline. It looked like he couldn't hold weight. After the game. The team came out. He came out. He said it was just cramps.

[Andy Holloway]

I was surprised you didn't fly there to be there for that press conference.

[Mike Wright]

I was massaging his quads.

[Andy Holloway]

That makes sense. With his odd walk on the sideline. Now that you say that, I didn't see that report.

[Mike Wright]

So here's what his quote was. This is Christian McCaffrey about the cramps. He said, quote, I just can't let that happen. Have to do a better job. Yeah, that's right.

[Andy Holloway]

That's why I love him.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Nobody works harder. I think he can hold up because of the work he does in the offseason. He's incredible. Aaron Jones was incredible. Four touchdowns. Could have had six by my count. Yeah, but four touchdowns against Dallas, seven for 75. Through the air. This is what we hope to see. With Devonte Adams out, eight targets, seven catches, it's the first time the Cowboys have ever allowed four rushing touchdowns to one player in a game. And you can keep starting your Aaron Jones. Now, the big surprise of the week was Josh Jacobs against Chicago. 26 for 123 and 2. They got out to a big lead. The game script is perfect. And Then Jon Gruden used him in the right fashion. Jacobs, we thought maybe, hey, you could buy him low. We all liked him as a buy low. Last week we said, ah, you might be able to buy him low after Chicago heading into the bye week.

[Jason Moore]

Hope he paid up last week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that you're not going to buy him low.

[Mike Wright]

Now that's stuff. I know a lot of people had him on the bench. I would have, I mean the process was sound. I would have been willing to bench him if I looked like I had a better option. You have a running back that wasn't in the top 20 the previous three weeks, travel across the globe to play the Bears. But goodness gracious, he balled out. Looks great. Now he gets a bye week off to rest. Should be great coming back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Leonard Fournette is leading the AFC in rushing. Said two consecutive great games. Went over 100 again, finally scored. He was the Julio of the running back position. Hadn't been in the end zone. Finally did. The Jacksonville offense is the same as the Colts offense. Just put DJ Chark in place of Hilton on the outside and Marlon Mack and Leonard Fournette, that's your offense. So New Orleans, Cincinnati, New York coming up. Leonard Fournette is turning into a great return on investment for.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's on pace for 96 targets as well. It's the volume at the running back position that is the most important thing. You can watch him struggle, struggle, struggle, get hit behind the line of scrimmage over and over. But when you get that many opportunities, you're going to break some. He's been safe with upside and I think that as more time goes on with Gardner Minshew, the office is just going to keep clicking, getting better. I mean he's. Nobody's disappointed that you've got Fournette if you drafted him.

[Andy Holloway]

Dalvin Cook, great again. Chris Carson from Thursday, great game. Sonny Michelle because I don't know how often I'll be able to say this. Great game for Sony Michelle. He had 16 carries for 91 yards and a touchdown. Actually caught three passes in this one. Has the Thursday night game against New York. Rex Burkhead was inactive. Damien Harris was inactive. Brandon Bolden had a touchdown again, of course. But Sonny Michelle was good in this one.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And Sony Michelle like the recipe that it makes the soup a little bit more delicious. Is when one of the running backs is out. If James White is out and Burkhead is active, you play Rex Burkheadt. If Burkhead is out, I mean vice versa for James White. And if one of those guys goes out, then it's usually.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes a soup can have too many ingredients is what you're saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

It's too chunky, too salty.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes it doesn't work out like when too much flavor. When Burkhead got everything and the couple weeks ago. But Sony Michelle should be in line for another solid game against the Giants on Thursday.

[Andy Holloway]

Austin Eckler had 16 targets, caught 15 passes, was a PPR Beast thesaurus.

[Jason Moore]

He caught 15 passes for 86 yards.

[Mike Wright]

The end of that game was literally they were down multiple scores. They had to go like 100 yards and they had no timeouts. So they're like the defense is like why don't you just keep dumping it off to the guy will leave wide open. And Philip Rivers is like, okay.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly what happened to. That's how I got beat on a Monday night game by Chris Thompson. I had the game in the bag and Chris Thompson comes out and catches three or four passes going down the field and they, you know those pass.

[Mike Wright]

Catching running backs, man, the game script, it's great.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, the Garden.

[Mike Wright]

Echler has been great, obviously the whole season. He's been great the last several years. Even, you know, as the backup to Melvin Gordon.

[Andy Holloway]

I know he'll be used.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. He'll be good the rest of the season, without a doubt. And Melvin Gordon's going to get his. He'll get going. He had an obviously disappointing game.

[Jason Moore]

Still had a lot of work though.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean if you told me in the week that he was going to get the touches he got against the Broncos defense has been so bad, I would have. I would have loved it. But you know, I do worry a little bit about Melvin Gordon's peak upside with how good Austin Eckler has been.

[Andy Holloway]

I actually, I'm not too concerned. Surprisingly, despite being the one that was. I had doubts in Gordon heading into the week because of rust because of some of the things that Anthony Lynn had said early in the week. But I'm not that worried about it because I love. I mean Eckler was not involved in the running game at all. It was Melvin Gordon's running game. It was Austin Eckler in the passing game. But I imagine Gordon just gets on the field more in two minute drills than you than you saw. Now I don't think Echler is going to own those, so I'm less concerned. But I get what you're saying because Echler has established himself. I think this team has to get better. I mean this team is 2 and 3. They're behind the Raiders in the division.

[Mike Wright]

That's embarrassing.

[Andy Holloway]

You've been beat up and banged up, you know, at wide receiver. So I did want to mention one more running back before we get into the wide receiver studs. Todd Gurley. We didn't really talk about his game, but he had two touchdowns. I'm just curious where you guys are at with Gurley at this point in the season.

[Mike Wright]

Gurley is on a great offense still. They're not as great as they were the last two seasons, but they're still a top tier offense in general. So the touchdown opportunities are going to come. He's been the guy on the field. He's been getting everything I think you should be. I mean, I am not worried about Gurley. If I am the Gurley owner. I've got him in a couple of leagues. I traded for him in the Listener league two weeks ago. I just want to make sure I've got the handcuff because of the injury risk. And you don't know if after two more weeks all of a sudden the knee swells up and oh, but if you've got the handcuff, I think you're okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Fifth in yards per game, the ramp, just for. In case you're curious, fifth in yards per game, second in passing yards per game. But really not, not up at the top for rushing yardage.

[Jason Moore]

No, he won't be there as well. You don't get.

[Mike Wright]

You.

[Jason Moore]

You didn't get a free Todd Gurley, who was going to finish as the number one running back at the back of the first, the early second round.

[Andy Holloway]

But 22nd, he's still going to be.

[Jason Moore]

Solid for fantasy and the workload has been ramping up. If you look at his snaps, the. The first two weeks he was in the 60% of the team's offensive snaps, then into the 70s for weeks three and four and then this past week, 93%. And that's.

[Andy Holloway]

So that's the number.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's the number of snaps that you need Todd Gurley to be on. Actually was getting involved in the passing game once again, which was bizarre that it took so long to get him some targets. But I think that it's trending the right direction. It's trending the right direction. You don't have a top five guy. He has top five upside on a weekly basis because he can have 10 carries and end up with three rushing touchdowns. But he's a solid RB2.

[Andy Holloway]

We forget the human element in football sometimes, which is the team can Want to manage your reps and manage your knee. And then Todd Gurley can get really upset, right? And Todd Gurley can come have a closed door meeting with Sean McVay and say I need my carries and show it on the sideline. And the team can adjust because your competitors, you want to win the game, you want to contribute. I think that's what you're starting to see with those snap counts is Todd Gurley wants to be on the field. He says he's fine. They're finally relenting. Would you go buy him? Are you at that point or is it more just you're optimistic?

[Jason Moore]

I'm willing to buy if the price is right. I'm not going to overpay though.

[Andy Holloway]

And four net or girly rest of season?

[Jason Moore]

Four net.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's helpful.

[Andy Holloway]

You know Damian Williams or Gurley?

[Jason Moore]

Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

Gurley. On the. On the.

[Andy Holloway]

Marlon Mack or Todd Gurley rest of season?

[Jason Moore]

Marlon Mack.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Max. Just out of control.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right, wide receivers. This guy named Will Fuller 14 for 217 and three on 16 targets.

[Mike Wright]

He left two extra touchdowns on the field. When he was tackled at the one yard line on drives, he did not get that touchdown. He literally could have had five touchdowns here. And Andy, kudos on the start of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Why, thank you. It kind of worked out the best wide receiver fantasy performance in half point scoring in 15 years. He went from. This is kind of why at the end of the year we kind of look at week to week, which is why we have consistency charts on our website for our jointhefoot.com supporters is so you can go see these weeks. He jumped from the wide receiver 66 on the season to the wide receiver 8 in one game.

[Jason Moore]

Nice. Nicely done, Will.

[Andy Holloway]

Beautiful, William.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the air yards were coming his way already. There were a couple of players out there where you see a massive amount of air yards that hasn't been getting it done. That's a great way to target what you know. Look, if those connections happen, you have a big week, they happen this week. Great play.

[Andy Holloway]

For what it's worth, DeAndre Hopkins was 7 for 88 on eight targets in this game. His target pace in 2019 is 140, which would be his lowest since 20. Yeah, I mean, basically 2015, he was up at 192, 151, 174, 163. I'm still not worried about him.

[Jason Moore]

7 for 80.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll talk about it. 7 for 88 is fine.

[Jason Moore]

It's a fine game. You hope. You would hope that he had the touchdown in there. You just feel bad because Will Fuller went off. And so in comparison, you're like Hopkins, seven for 88.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What a bum.

[Mike Wright]

If the Texans score over 50 points and Deshaun Watson throws five touchdowns and you don't get 100 or a touchdown, you're not happy.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Stud muffins at the wide receiver position. Amari Cooper, a monster. Michael Thomas, DJ Chart. Adam Thielen. Big bounce back game. Godwin did it again. Seven for 125 and two on nine targets. He is the number one wide receiver on the year. Bounce back game for Tyler Boyd. Mike start of the week. Allen Robinson, 7 for 97 and 2. Michael Gallup, 7 for 113 and 1 in his first game back. That's a great game from Gallup and it just reflects what we saw in the preseason to start the year. Those names I mentioned, who do you want to talk about? D.J. chark, eight for 164 and two on 11 targets. Is he a wide receiver one.

[Mike Wright]

That's who I want to talk about. I don't see him as a wide receiver one the rest of the way, but I see him as a weekly must start. I mean, right now he's the wide receiver five on the season. He's not going to score. You know, he's got more than a touchdown every week so far, so he's not going to end up with 18, 19 touchdowns. But he is the clear best friend of Gardner Minshew and he's super talented. I mean, he's. He's six, three runs a four, three, four. And is, you know, his routes, his hands. He had that, that sideline reception this week where it was incredibly difficult and they called it incomplete. But then they go back and watch the tape and it's like, how did he.

[Jason Moore]

It had to be incomplete because it's impossible.

[Mike Wright]

But it was like, you know, he got both feet down, made a football move that was an inch away from being another touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

He reminds me of AJ Green more than anybody else. Size, the length, the skills he's showing out there on the field. Like, that's the comp to me. Not that he's that yet, but that's the trajectory.

[Mike Wright]

Well, yeah, it's.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's. You can't just get elevated to the status of age agreement. Green after five weeks, but after five weeks, he. You have to start him every week. You don't look at a matchup and go, well, I'm going to put Chark on the bench. This, this is what's happening. DJ Chark is to me and I'm not going to say he's a wide receiver one because some of these other guys like Hopkins and Mike Evans are under.

[Andy Holloway]

I think He's a top 20 wide.

[Jason Moore]

Receiver but yes, I would put him at a high end wide receiver too.

[Andy Holloway]

And last week was the only week he didn't score and he had a touchdown called back in that game. Thielen 7 for 130 and 2. As Jason said, the squeaky wheel got the oil in this one. Now I would classify Stefan Diggs as not a squeaky wheel as much as a.

[Jason Moore]

That wheel had just fallen off.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he just, he got fined some big money.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Became a tricycle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. So we'll talk about some duds later. But Michael Gallup, great game. Julian Edelman scored. That was great to see. And then Juju. Seven for 75 and a touchdown. Seven targets and another devastating fumble. But seven for 75 and one is better than not.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he had a great week. You have to assume based on the vicious nature of the hit on Mason Rudolph that you're going to now be to the third string quarterback something.

[Andy Holloway]

Hodges.

[Jason Moore]

Devlin.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Devlin. Hodges.

[Mike Wright]

Devlin Hodges.

[Andy Holloway]

He will start Week 6 against the Chargers. And so it's Chris Mortensen's already reporting that.

[Mike Wright]

Really, really tough to trust Juju at this point with a third string quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, tight ends. Basically no tight end showed up this week at all.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yeah, it's Jared Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Jared Cook was Mike's start of the week and it was 4 for 41 and a touchdown. And that was a great week at the tight end position because tight ends. Woof. Yeah, it was gross.

[Mike Wright]

Let me read you the top tight end so that you know like Tyler Ifert. My start of the week didn't work. Granted he was wide open in the end zone and Andy Dalton could have hit him but definitely didn't work. But don't worry, don't worry because nobody's did literally other than it's all on you.

[Andy Holloway]

George Kittle. Let's go. Ricky Seals. Jones. The top 10 give him the sound.

[Mike Wright]

Tight ends are Gerald Everett, Darren Fells. Hope you started him. Of course you got Ernst and Cook, Ryan Izzo, everybody picked him up to start him.

[Andy Holloway]

You've got Disney Hooper of Michigan State's basketball team.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Disney Hooper, Kelsey Ingram, those guys that you know you're going to start. And then it's Lee Smith. I mean.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh yes.

[Jason Moore]

There just were Izzo and Smith.

[Andy Holloway]

I do want to give a shout out To Travis Kelsey. I appreciate somebody competing with Aaron Rodgers on a grimace per minute because Travis Kelsey was grimacing all up and down that field.

[Mike Wright]

I haven't seen Aaron Rodgers shove a coach yet. That was.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, Travis Kelsey. That was shoving Eric B. Enemy.

[Jason Moore]

He was getting a little spicy, making.

[Andy Holloway]

Him shoving an enemy over the line and then he hugged him afterwards.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Travis Kelsey, how about you catch the ball?

[Andy Holloway]

Seriously, he had or not fumble. Yeah, I mean, catch it and.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that was not a.

[Andy Holloway]

Not a good performance.

[Jason Moore]

You could see it happening. Like after the second huge missed opportunity for Kelsey, you could see his. Him leave his body completely go up into his brain and go, oh, crap. Yep, he's stuck there now.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Unfortunately, some of the best players in the world are going to be the most competitive in the world and you kind of lose your head a little bit. Let's move on.

[Mike Wright]

Stinkers of the week presented by Odor Eaters.

[Andy Holloway]

Aaron Rodgers is not what he once was.

[Mike Wright]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Because part. It's part of it's him. I'm gonna give three parts. There's three parts. Part of it's him not the same player. Part of it's his weapons. Not the same weapons. And part of it's lafleur and what this team can do to win the game because they won the game again. Aaron Rodgers is on a team is four and one. Right. And they're four and one. And he's not the Aaron Rodgers that is your champion of fantasy football. And that's just. That's what it is now.

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

He's a guy that on most weeks, I mean, I'm, you know, I hate to say it. I'm happy that he failed because I told a lot of people, do not play him this week. He's not a. He's not a guy you should be playing on a weekly basis. I mean, yeah, he was the number two quarterback last week against Philly, but he was.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he still fits into that. Must play. I'm not going to. I'm not.

[Mike Wright]

Must play.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

This game was very reminiscent to the Patrick Mahomes game last week where they got down and it was just, you know, Darrell Williams. Darrell Williams is rushing touchdowns from Aaron Jones. I think he's a must play because I still think he's a top 12 quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

But so week one, he was the quarterback 24.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Week two, he was quarterback 19.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Week three, he was the quarterback 25 this week. I don't know where he's at, but I'm sure it's around 25. He's not.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean those are some low numbers. Jason.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's. I don't think he is a must play at all. That's not to say I was speaking.

[Andy Holloway]

Of a 30 team league.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, well, yeah. Then I would play him every week.

[Andy Holloway]

I still, I still think that you, you could do a lot worse than Aaron Rodgers from a potential standpoint. I still think he can go out there. I mean he doesn't have devonte Adams.

[Jason Moore]

That was when I was going to.

[Andy Holloway]

Play and didn't he play one game? What's his schedule been before this?

[Mike Wright]

It was Chicago, Minnesota the first two weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Chicago, Minnesota and no devonte Adams game. I'm still going to give him a pass, but not as a top five guy. That's my. I, I began this saying this is who he is. Now I think he's a, he's a 6 through 12 type of quarterback. Upside, that's as high as you're going to get on a week. So maybe that means you do stream him in the right situation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

As long as Adams is playing. If Adams is not playing, I don't, I really don't want to stream him. Unless the matchup is just unbelievable.

[Andy Holloway]

These guys are doing nothing for him. Mvs, Allison, they're doing nothing for him. They're missing over and over again, not getting open.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm certainly not saying that you should never play Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is obviously going to have big monster games.

[Andy Holloway]

Those are compelling numbers.

[Mike Wright]

He needs to be a quarterback. If you drafted him, you drafted him high. You need to be willing and able from the waiver wire to bench him to say I've got a better option.

[Andy Holloway]

I will admit if Aaron Rodgers name, if it was the same situation, Jared Goff, you'd be done, you would be moving on. But it's not so. And he could give you five touchdowns. But right now he's not that guy. Lamar Jackson. Another kind of stinker of a game snuck by Pittsburgh and their third string quarterback worried at all about Lamar Jackson. I mean Hollywood Browns banged up. Mark Andrews is banged up. Or do you just keep on going because he's going to run that football?

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. Philop Rivers, that was, you know, he. Bad performance. Really bad performance.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And he's got Pittsburgh this week which the defense is just, they've rallied around the defense. I would not want to play Philip.

[Jason Moore]

Rivers in Tennessee and then Chicago. Oh goodness.

[Andy Holloway]

Can we see some Tyrod Taylor? No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But if they keep losing, they this team's window Will be closed. All right. Running back, stinkers on the wake. Chiefs running backs, all of them. McCoy got Chiefs players. I mean, yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, Damian Williams, 9 for 23, 3 for 15. Mahomes was somewhat inaccurate after the ankle stuff missed on plays down the field, you felt the absence of Sammy Watkins.

[Jason Moore]

They also never had the ball in the second half. Like, if you look at the time of possession, I came out with the exact numbers.

[Andy Holloway]

20 minutes to three minutes. It's disgusting.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm. I'm not concerned about Damian Williams and Shady.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, if.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm worried about Shady.

[Mike Wright]

If you.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I. Because he got zero rushes in this game total. And Damian Williams, off an injury, had 100% of the rushing carries. Him and Darrell Williams. So I would be worried about Shady. That's.

[Jason Moore]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Mike Wright]

This is a team that I think. I doubt you can. But if you can off the heels of this, left to right, top to bottom, poor performance, bye. I would go buy all the Chiefs I can. If you can get Tyreek, Houston, Denver, Green Bay, Pat Mahomes, you know, any of those pieces. I mean, I'm not going to trade for McColl Hardman because I think he takes a backseat when Tyreek comes back. But, yeah, I would. I'm not scared of the Chiefs. I think that's the point you're making.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they were. They were just out of rhythm in this game. And. And the Colts, to their credit.

[Jason Moore]

You guys, you're not. You're not understanding what a kerplunk does.

[Andy Holloway]

To ankle to fantasy. To fantasy points in general. Well, he kerplunk all the Chiefs. Kerplunk to my team.

[Mike Wright]

Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

This is my point.

[Andy Holloway]

Thank you, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Once again, very scientific.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans. What?

[Mike Wright]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans.

[Mike Wright]

Good grief.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike Evans is a weird player this year. Mike Evans is leading the NFL in air yards. He's leading the NFL in air yards. That's. That was the metric that just showed us Will Fuller was about to break out. Now Godwin's in the top five. Two. Godwin seven for 125 and two on 12 targets. We had this excuse. Mike Evans had a stomach virus, weeks one and two, and then he's been a machine. And then. How do you goose, though?

[Mike Wright]

It's. It's really take me through the steps setting and difficult. Well, you don't get the targets and then you don't catch the target. That's how you goose. But now I understand Mike Evans is someone that you 100% have to start every single week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You're terrified of but I think you're going to be happier more often than you're not. I loved Matt Harmon's tweet though.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Letting us know that Chris Godwin and Mike Evans combined for seven for 125 and two this week. Which is true now.

[Jason Moore]

Vicious.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I mean he had to deal with Lattimore in this game. They chose to go away from him. And I didn't think that we joked the window closed to buy Mike Evans low. I think it opened again.

[Jason Moore]

Cracked open.

[Andy Holloway]

It cracked open.

[Mike Wright]

So would you buy him?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I would too in a heartbeat.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

As long as the goose doesn't come with it. I don't want a little by Evans. Get a goose. I don't need that. Keenan Allen 4 for 18.

[Mike Wright]

We kind of knew this. The matchup was bad for him. Yeah. The history against that corner. So it's just a blip.

[Andy Holloway]

See I think they lost this. I think they lost the game. Not going to Keenan Allen. I think that's how they lost this game.

[Jason Moore]

I would buy Keenan Allen.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Julio Jones.

[Jason Moore]

I will buy Julio Jones as well.

[Andy Holloway]

Ty held in 4 for 37. Buy. That is a buy. Because this game he's on by. So don't play him in the buy. No, but he'll be healthier. And the game script. Look, they're not going to do this to every team. We saw this to start the year. They didn't have to throw the ball. Jacoby Brissette was a bust, a big bust.

[Jason Moore]

He looked like he was going to have a great game and then.

[Andy Holloway]

Then he didn't see Tyrann Matthew.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I think the issue with. I think the issue with Jacoby Brissette and having a bad game is that the Chiefs had a bad game. The fact that Pat Mahomes get the ball, couldn't score a bunch. I mean the whole game script idea for playing Brissette which has worked against Chiefs three out of the first four weeks is the fact that the Chiefs score a ton of points. Well, they game planned that away.

[Andy Holloway]

You know that's the first game in Patrick Mahomes entire career that they didn't score 26 or more points.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Ever. I mean that.

[Jason Moore]

That's insane.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Just a stinker. And they were right there at the end. He. Mahomes almost saved his whole day on that last drive. If they had gotten the ball into the end zone there. He still puts up 30 points. Managed to go over 300. He's not human. That play he made to Byron Pringle getting out of the pocket.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my gosh.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Emmanuel Sanders stunk it up. I was wrong on this one. Sanders one for nine. The game script in this was complete flip from what we expected. They got up to a huge lead. Philip Lindsay, which we should have mentioned earlier, had a monstrous game. Sutton had a huge play and then the office didn't do anything else. I mean, Sutton and Sanders combined for four catches in this game. Sutton had a monstrous breakaway after he cut across the field, broke a tackle, went in on a 70 yard touchdown and then Joe Flacco disappeared. He didn't throw the ball again. It was all Philip Lindsey, Roy streaming and they won the game. So Sanders stunk it up. Diggs stunk it up.

[Jason Moore]

What do you do with Stefan Diggs?

[Andy Holloway]

I would throw this game out of your consideration now if you want to.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well which games are you considering then?

[Andy Holloway]

All of the rest. But this game you throw out a little bit because this was a tumultuous week. We didn't even know if he was going to play. You look at the interview. Stefan Diggs did not know if he was playing until five minutes before the game. It was kind of like I'm just going to go as is. And it was in doubt. He had seven catches the week before. I'm not saying you go sign him. I'm saying I'm just not considering this game in my analysis. I like seeing the team throw the ball more.

[Mike Wright]

So I would.

[Andy Holloway]

If he's active, he's going to be involved in the offense if it's possible.

[Mike Wright]

And it very well might not be possible, but I would try to package trade him. I would try to take two players and trade up for someone else with the name of Diggs. I don't want him. But you can't drop him because of the name. But we've talked about in the past there are landmine players, players that like they're going to convince you because of the name or because of some situation to start them and you're going to end up hurting yourself because of this. Now that's not to me, Diggs doesn't have good games in the future. They play Philly this week. That looks great.

[Andy Holloway]

Diggs or Emmanuel Sanders rest of season. Sanders, Sanders, Jarvis Landry, Stefan Diggs rest of season.

[Mike Wright]

That one's tough.

[Jason Moore]

I would probably go digs Jarvis maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

So we're kind of entering wide receiver three territory, so he should be roster. But you're not excited about anything he's done and I don't blame anybody for that. It's. They won. I think he might be happy when they win and sad when they lose, but I think that's how it works. Maybe nothing from shepherd or Golden Tate against Minnesota. Nothing from DeMarcus Robinson and the Chiefs. We talked about it. Curtis Samuel, another stinker. Nelson Aguilar basically disappearing with the return of Alshon Jeffrey. Yep. Tight end stinkers. Greg Olson. Hello.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of goose and going on.

[Andy Holloway]

Darren Waller had a stinker. O.J. howard.

[Jason Moore]

Darren Waller is on a bye week with the rest of the Raiders. I personally, if you can somehow buy Darren Waller on the cheap because of this cut, because of the bad performance plus the bye week, I would be willing to do that. He's been such a target machine.

[Mike Wright]

The.

[Jason Moore]

It was a weird game. It was an overseas game for Darren Waller and the game script got.

[Andy Holloway]

You know what happens. All the. All the pass. He has to throw all the passes left handed or something like that. Right. Doesn't it spin the wrong way over there?

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, no. Same hemisphere. Nevermind.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

O.J. howard. I'm letting him go. I'm done. This was the. I won't call it a swan song. It was almost a goose song.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Oh, this goose.

[Andy Holloway]

One for ten on two targets. The one for ten was to remind you he exists. But I don't think he should exist on your team anymore. And that stinks because I. I just believe talent would win out here. But when O.J. howard catches one pass and Mike Evans catches zero in a game, I mean, that's shocking.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. O.J. howard, I said it last week. I think he's the biggest bust of the season. That's not due to just an injury or an injury to another player on his team, like a quarterback or something. This is just. He was a highly drafted guy.

[Andy Holloway]

You thought one thing.

[Mike Wright]

He was the number one tight end, taken after the top three. Like, you know, when, when you. When the three were gone and you had the field, it was like O.J. howard was the highest ADP guy they were taking the shot on the breakout. And he has his worst season imaginable. I mean, he's been irrelevant every single week.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm worried about Delaney Walker. Two straight weeks with one catch on two targets.

[Mike Wright]

Well, they found a new tight end man. A.J. brown is a beast of a man.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, he is.

[Andy Holloway]

He gets a little bit bigger every week.

[Mike Wright]

I don't remember him this big in college. Maybe it was because he was next to DK Metcalf, you know, playing alongside. It probably was But I genuinely like. I know he's a somewhat bigger guy, but when I watch AJ Brown out there, I'm like, this guy's a 6.

[Andy Holloway]

Foot 226, according to Pro Football Reference.

[Mike Wright]

Hogwash.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's pretty big though, for a wide receiver. But Delaney Walker used to be a guy with no ceiling. But the reliability, I'm just disappointed to see back to back. This is the inverse NBA Jam rules here. Yeah, this is cooling down. Cooling down. About to go on ice. You don't have a lot of options at tight end. You could see that based on the stinkers of the week. But he's got Denver next week. If you need him, I guess you can play him. You can have, you know, dumping O.J. howard and Darren Waller on by and things like that. Disappointing game from Jimmy Graham. Only three targets caught. All three of them for 41 yards on the week. Didn't destroy you, but at the same time, not what you hoped. Ebron stunk, Doyle stunk. Eiford not. Not good. So the Cardinals, maybe they figured something out. DJ Swearinger is no longer a Cardinal. And at a minimum, they get one week off of giving up incredible yardage and touchdowns to the tight end position.

[Mike Wright]

Wait, they get one. Oh, this week I was like, wait, Austin Hooper's coming to town. They're not going away from that.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Stinkers of the week presented by Odor Eaters. Odor Eaters, the best in foot odor defense.

[Jason Moore]

You don't want to have stinky feet.

[Andy Holloway]

No. And you need to spread a little extra on the tight end position this past week. Tevin Coleman is expected to be available tonight. This is a bunch of Monday Night Football. Available is not the same thing.

[Jason Moore]

He's expected to be available.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I would not play Devin Coleman. No, we said that earlier in the week. Even if he's available, that's a trap. Available means. That means that when Matt Breida limps off or re Moster gets hurt or something happens, maybe Tevin Coleman ends up being active. But you just need to monitor that up to game time. The Browns game tonight. Excited to see what happens. Maybe we have a new tight end in town, Jason. Maybe Ricky Seals Jones. It's good to see you're feeling better, Jason. You have a. A seal bark in you after all.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's. I'm coming back to life someday soon.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Looking forward to tonight's game. We got a waiver wire show tomorrow. Want to thank the studio sponsor, Pristine Auction. Once again delivering incredible deals on signed footballs and jerseys and helmets. A Tyler Boyd signed football yesterday $42.12 and Tyler Boyd showed up. Cardinals gave up 22 passing yards in the first half of that game to Andy Dalton.

[Mike Wright]

Whoops.

[Andy Holloway]

Probably Andy Dalton's fault, but still turned it around in the second half. You can go to pristineauction.com use the registration code. Ballers sign up, get some gear, get some swag. Great gifts all@pristine auction.com Looking forward to the waiver show, guys. I need Kittle and OBJ 26 points tonight to win in league of record. Guys, you rooting for me? No.

[Mike Wright]

Come on.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Jason Moore]

See you tomorrow everybody. Goodbye.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter heffballers.

[Andy Holloway]

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