Week 7 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Walk of Shame

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Week 7 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Walk of Shame Release Date: October 22, 2018

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dive deep into Week 7 of the NFL season. They analyze standout performances, discuss player trades and injuries, highlight emerging talents, and address listener questions. The trio provides expert insights to help fantasy football enthusiasts optimize their teams and navigate the complexities of the fantasy season.

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Weekly Rewind

Major Trades and Team Moves

• Carlos Hyde Traded to Jacksonville Jaguars:

  • Andy Holloway [09:16]: "Dalvin Cook has the young legs and juice that Cleveland needs more than Carlos Hyde."
  • The trade has significant implications for both the Jaguars and the Browns. Hyde joins a struggling Jaguars team, while Cleveland bolsters their roster with the promising Chubb.

• Nick Chubb's Opportunity in Cleveland:

  • Mike Wright [09:35]: "Nick Chubb can provide more than Carlos Hyde for the Browns."
  • Holloway emphasizes Chubb's potential as a long-term asset, despite the short-term roster shifts.

Injury Updates

• Rob Gronkowski's Back Injury:

  • Mike Wright [11:34]: "Gronkowski missed the game with a back injury, rumored to be a multi-week absence."
  • The Patriots face challenges at the tight end position without their star player.

• Sony Michel's Injury:

  • Jason Moore [12:00]: "Early reports suggest Michel's knee injury is not season-ending, possibly an MCL sprain."
  • Fantasy managers are advised to monitor Michel's status closely as his availability could impact tight end rankings.

Potential Trades and Player Performance

• James White vs. David Johnson:
  • Andy Holloway [13:00]: "No, no, no. James White is essential in a great offense compared to David Johnson’s upside in a struggling team."
  • Jason Moore [13:12]: "While Karryon Johnson is impressive, White remains a more reliable starter."

Other Notable News

• Jacksonville Jaguars' Quarterback Situation:
  • Mike Wright [15:03]: "Rumors of Derek Carr being traded to Jacksonville are speculative and unlikely."
  • The hosts discuss the instability within the Jaguars’ quarterback lineup, affecting fantasy relevance.

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Studs & Duds

Top Performers ("Studs")

• Patrick Mahomes (QB, Kansas City Chiefs):

  • Mike Wright [20:03]: "Patrick Mahomes delivered 28 for 39, 358 yards, and 4 touchdowns, showcasing his dual-threat ability."
  • Mahomes continues to dominate, making him a top fantasy quarterback.

• Andrew Luck (QB, Indianapolis Colts):

  • Andy Holloway [20:40]: "Andrew Luck showcased efficiency with 17 completions on 23 attempts, 4 touchdowns, and 156 yards against the Bills."
  • Luck’s performance provides valuable streaming options for fantasy managers.

Emerging Stars

• Marlon Mack (RB, Detroit Lions):
  • Jason Moore [25:08]: "Marlon Mack is proving to be a reliable flex option, particularly against the Oakland offense."
  • Mack's versatility and workload make him a rising star in fantasy leagues.

Underperformers ("Duds")

• Jermaine Kearse (WR, New York Jets):

  • Mike Wright [40:38]: "Jermaine Kearse had a dismal performance with just 9 receptions for 5 yards and a quarterback rating of 5.9."
  • Kearse became the episode’s primary "Walk of Shame" candidate for his underwhelming output.

• Marvin Jones (WR, Detroit Lions):

  • Andy Holloway [45:28]: "Marvin Jones has been inconsistent, with fluctuating targets and production, making him a risky drop candidate."
  • Jones’ declining performance raises concerns about his reliability as a fantasy asset.

Notable Mentions

• Carryon Johnson (RB, Detroit Lions):
  • Mike Wright [26:24]: "Carryon Johnson rushed for 158 yards and a touchdown, marking him as a must-start running back this week."
  • Johnson’s explosive performances have elevated his fantasy value.

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Rising Stars

Highlighting Emerging Talent

• Carryon Johnson (RB, Detroit Lions):

  • Andy Holloway [35:26]: "Carryon Johnson is becoming a reliable starter with substantial yardage and touchdown potential."
  • Mike Wright [38:07]: "Carryon Johnson had a standout game with 19 carries for 158 yards and a touchdown."

• Trey Burton (TE, Chicago Bears):

  • Mike Wright [37:57]: "Trey Burton has secured four touchdowns in six games, solidifying his role as a valuable tight end."
  • Burton’s integration into the Bears’ offense has made him a key fantasy target.

Listeners' Perspectives and Trade Opinions

• Jason Moore on Carryon Johnson:

  • Jason Moore [36:29]: "I would trade Nick Chubb for Carryon Johnson without hesitation due to the Lions' superior offense."

• Mike Wright on Trey Burton:

  • Mike Wright [38:09]: "Trey Burton's increasing target share makes him a must-start tight end despite initial concerns."

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Walk of Shame

Identifying the Worst Performances

• Jermaine Kearse (WR, New York Jets):

  • Mike Wright [40:38]: "Jermaine Kearse struggled significantly, making him the primary candidate for the walk of shame."
  • Kearse’s poor performance alongside an ineffective quarterback contributed to his downfall.

• Kenny Golladay (WR, Detroit Lions):

  • Andy Holloway [44:53]: "Kenny Golladay had a minimal impact with only two targets, reflecting the team’s offensive challenges."

• Marvin Jones (WR, Detroit Lions):

  • Mike Wright [45:28]: "Marvin Jones' inconsistent targets and low production make him a potential drop candidate."
  • Jones’ fluctuating involvement in the offense compromises his fantasy reliability.

Additional "Poopers"

• Corey Clement (RB, Carolina Panthers):

  • Jason Moore [48:08]: "Corey Clement's limited touches and role ambiguity have diminished his fantasy value."
  • Clement’s inconsistent usage has left fantasy managers questioning his reliability.

• Tyler Boyd (WR, Cincinnati Bengals):

  • Jason Moore [43:37]: "Tyler Boyd’s lack of targets, especially in coverage against AJ Green, resulted in a disappointing week."

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Mailbag

Listener Questions and Host Responses

• Trade Evaluation: Jordan Howard and Kenyan Drake for Dalvin Cook:

  • Tim from New Hampshire [53:07]: "I traded Jordan Howard and Kenyan Drake for Dalvin Cook. Thoughts?"
  • Andy Holloway [54:15]: "Dalvin Cook is a confident trade move, but beware of potential injury-related risks."
  • Jason Moore [54:29]: "Stashing injured players like Howard and Drake can be risky, but Cook offers substantial long-term value."

• Fantasy Football Fairness:

  • Sean from Washington [57:57]: "Why is fantasy football not fair?"
  • Andy Holloway [57:59]: "Fantasy football is life, and life is inherently unfair."

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Notable Quotes

• Jason Moore on Trubisky:

  • [07:06]: "Guess what? The bye week has passed. The second half is here. Carry on, my friends."

• Mike Wright on Stud Performance:

  • [20:22]: "Cam Newton the comeback. 25 for 39, 269 yards, and 2 touchdowns. That sucked if you were playing against him, but great if you were playing him."

• Andy Holloway on Optimization:

  • [55:18]: "The concern is just with the amount of points that the Bears are putting up in the past three weeks, and Howard is not performing well."

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers Podcast delivers a comprehensive analysis of Week 7, offering valuable insights into player performances, strategic trades, and emerging talents. By addressing listener concerns and highlighting critical moves, the hosts empower fantasy managers to make informed decisions. Whether you're navigating injury reports, evaluating trade options, or seeking the next breakout star, this episode equips you with the knowledge to enhance your fantasy football strategy.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Hey, this is Kenyon Drake. You're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome back. Monday, October 22nd, Fantasy Footballers podcast welcomes you in. It's gonna be a great show. Have the weekly rewind, studs, duds and more. How are you guys doing?

[Jason Moore]

Doing well, Doing well. I'm excited for tonight's Monday Night Football game. I'm hoping that it is, you know, I fear it's gonna be very similar to Sunday Night Football where one of the teams just.

[Andy Holloway]

Holy crap, Cincinnati. What happened? What happened?

[Mike Wright]

Prime time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I know. Bad Andy. I tweeted I tweeted this.

[Mike Wright]

Bad Andy. We'll get into that, too.

[Jason Moore]

A new segment on today's show. I tweeted that out. Like I genuinely forgot. Like somehow some way, because he starts.

[Andy Holloway]

Playing or he starts playing pretty well and he tricks you.

[Jason Moore]

He is so Andy Dalton is a plotter and a schemer. I have to remember Foot Clan. Help me remember this for the rest of my life that when Andy Dalton has a prime time slate, watch out. Don't like. It's. It's at the point. There's such a long history of this that it's not a gimmick anymore. It's not a narrative street dude doesn't show up if it's a primetime game. And I'm not going to if he's like, oh, it's a great spot.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Move them down a couple.

[Mike Wright]

0 and 8 on Sunday night Football under Marvin Lewis. The Bengals are. And then they're. They're something. Some are in the high 20 percentage chance of winning in any primetime game.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

Under Marvin Lewis.

[Andy Holloway]

So never tell me the odds.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. If I had to diagnose what happened to Andy Dalton in that game, obviously the defense, you know, they showed up a little bit, but this is Kansas City. They had, they started the game with 17 straight possessions where they hadn't forced a punt. That's. So it was more than Kansas City. And I think he just got locked in on. On AJ Green in one on one coverage. And once he got that into his head, you know, there was no Tyler Boyd to start the game. They didn't use Yuzama until the end of the first half. I think he got out of rhythm. I think you. You didn't have. You didn't use Boyd.

[Andy Holloway]

See what happened?

[Mike Wright]

They adjusted in the second half.

[Andy Holloway]

This is the classic situation where you. You've got a best friend. Your best friend is more handsome than you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

More well off than you.

[Mike Wright]

Mm. You relate to this, obviously.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Oh, look, I've.

[Andy Holloway]

My upbringing. I know all about this. And Andy Dalton looked over at Patrick Mahomes and thought, I just, like, this isn't fair. I can't. Why can't I be you? And then he just completely imploded.

[Mike Wright]

Why can't I roll out of the pocket the opposite direction and heave it 68 yards down the throw on a laser beam.

[Andy Holloway]

A submariner passed 50 yards in the air.

[Jason Moore]

I like the commentators informing us that Pat Mahomes is once thrown at 82 yards. I believe it.

[Mike Wright]

Now, am I correct that there were no Showtime Mahomes comments last night?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Booger wasn't there.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Driving it down your throat.

[Mike Wright]

I like JJ's tweet where he said, hey, did you know that Pat Mahomes played baseball once? Like, if we have to hear that storyline ever again whenever a football player.

[Andy Holloway]

Plays in other sports, I mean, like. Well, because they couldn't go with the basketball one.

[Mike Wright]

These are the three talking points you're allowed to have about Pat Mahomes. His dad also played baseball. What? All right, we have a jam packed show, so we're going to get into it. Quick question of the day, we'll start here. What offense has impressed slash, surprised, slash, disappointed you the most so far in 2018? Jason.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, there's got to be, like, all three of us, some shout out for the Chiefs because it's just, if you saw it coming, unbelievable. The one that has disappointed me, that's what came to mind was the Broncos, because I did believe that Case Keenum would be better than he's been. I never thought Case Keenum's a world beater, but I did think he was an above average quarterback that can get it done if he's got good weapons and there are good weapons there. Emmanuel Sanders has been fine. Dimarius Thomas, he's been very good. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I wouldn't say he's been fighting well.

[Jason Moore]

I'm saying that from A standpoint of he is not in my disappointment because he's been good, but Demaris Thomas, a clear cut running game and being able to start Case Keenum. I've been disappointed in the Broncos offense because I thought they were going to be better.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I, I will definitely tip my hat to Kansas City. I think Mahomes fighting through the early season schedule the way he did. I mean I, I certainly believed in him, traded for him, you know, believed in the long term value, didn't believe he would do what he's done through the first half of the season. I don't think anybody did. I'll go with disappointment as well. And that is what I'll call the Arizona catastrophe. Because David Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, that combination, not only were they, you know, perennial top five type of guys, top 10, you know, Larry Fitzgerald in particular, 100 plus receptions, two straight seasons, three.

[Andy Holloway]

Straight years of a thousand yards. Right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean it's just one of those things where both of those guys were counted on and Mike McCoy said, Look what I can do. I mean, look what I can erase players from relevance now. So they take the cake for me. Mike, what do you think?

[Andy Holloway]

The most impressive to me has been the Chicago Bears, their offense. We had talked about in the off season that the way that that team set things up was a masterpiece in my opinion. Over the off season with the hiring of Matt Nagy, Great hire. You bring in Trey Burton so you can try and duplicate the offense that you had in Kansas City.

[Jason Moore]

This is, this is great.

[Andy Holloway]

You bring in Alan Robinson, Taylor Gabriel. I mean you're putting humongous big time weapons around your quarterback. And it was for me, I didn't have the faith that Trubisky could get it done.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that was, that was. Got to have the faith in Trubisky, Mike. Of course that was my, that was.

[Andy Holloway]

My pause for concern.

[Jason Moore]

We all knew Trubisky is going to be great stream of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

And Mitch Trubisky, wow, granted is one of the strangest quarterbacks in the NFL to watch. Who goes from just. You're like, holy crap, this guy is a, this is. He's the face of the franchise. And then the very next throw you go, they should probably bench that guy sucks. But he is, he's absolutely getting it done for the team and for fantasy purposes. So the Chicago Bears have been incredibly impressive. After a little bit of a rocky start.

[Mike Wright]

Trubisky, to me, the, the Jekyll and Hyde of Trubisky is, is this when he executes the offense. Like when he's a machine, when he's part of the machine. Yeah, he's great when he tries to do anything on his own. The questionable decision making, the end zone, the near end zone interceptions on a regular basis for him are atrocious. But yes, they've been very impressive. I wonder though, when we go into next season now you'll have, you know, the resurrection of Goff now, the resurrection of Terubisky with the hiring of these innovative younger head coaches. I mean, that narrative is going to permeate whatever teams bring in new names next year. No, without question, because it's bared itself out in fantasy relevance for two straight years. Follow us on Twitter @the ffballers. Don't forget you can subscribe over on YouTube YouTube.com the fantasy footballers and check out the Instagram the fantasy community [e-mail] and the website is the fantasy footballers.com. let's get into the rewind.

[Jason Moore]

Weekly rewind.

[Mike Wright]

Big news on Friday, after we had recorded and put up that show, Carlos Hyde was traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars. The implications, many of them, you know, Carlos Hyde now a committee back in Jacksonville, a team struggling, struggling. And then Nick Chubb getting the opportunity in Cleveland, maybe some more opportunity for Duke Johnson. What was your reaction to this trade?

[Andy Holloway]

It was huge news for Nick Chubb who came through. He did have. He had the touchdown. But I think that at this point, what the Cleveland Browns need, Nick Chubb can provide more of it than Carlos side. Carlos side's a fine running back, but Nick Chubb's got those young legs. He's got juice. That's why I tweeted out I'm all in on Nick Chubb. Saw a lot of people were as well.

[Mike Wright]

You spent more than a kiddle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I did. Well, this was a pretty tilting.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Why don't you tell for me in our league of record I had talked about on the show like Nick Chubb is a stash to me because I do see him eventually taking over.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've been saying that in the studio for the last couple of weeks. Like you you that you want to say it on the show.

[Mike Wright]

So watch your money where your mouth is.

[Andy Holloway]

So I finally had a bench spot. Like, okay, great, I can get Nick Chubb on my team. But what my team really needed was a wide receiver. Ted Ginn goes on the ir, Mike. Well, I'm going to grab Cam Meredith or Trey Kwan Smith because I need wide receiver depth. I don't know when Nick Chubb's going to take over. I grabbed Cameron's Cameron Meredith on Friday morning and as you know, Friday afternoon Nick Chubb became instantly the hottest commodity on the waiver wire. So I had him for free, dropped him, then had to use all of my fab just to get him back.

[Jason Moore]

And it was worth it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I got him.

[Mike Wright]

Do you feel like you didn't tilt spend all that fab to like.

[Andy Holloway]

Well here's why.

[Mike Wright]

If you didn't have that situation, would you have spent six sixty four dollars.

[Andy Holloway]

On Yes, I still would have if I had not previously added and dropped what I mean yes, I still 100% would have looked at my fab. What do people have left? I'm going to outbid you or I'm just going to put everything in and hope I get them. And this worked out because folk land. Like many of you, I had both Melvin Gordon and Gronk on my teams who on Saturday decided we're just not going to play football. So I'm very tilting, very tilting week for me.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you had and the Melvin Gordon one in particular was troubling. If you're on the West Coast, I mean that game got started so early that if you didn't know or you weren't aware or you weren't ready to pivot, you got caught with your pants down.

[Andy Holloway]

You did.

[Jason Moore]

Not everybody, I mean I set an alarm at like 5:30 in the morning just to check to get up, just to check to see on Melvin Gordon. And not everybody takes fantasy that serious.

[Mike Wright]

And then major injury news for the Patriots in general. Rob Gronkowski missed the game with the back injury. Some people have rumored this being a multi week absence. We don't know yet but he missed the game and there isn't a natural fill in at tight end on that roster. So you had to pivot to another team. Maybe it was a Usama, maybe it's a Hooper, maybe it's Cameron Brait. But you had to pivot out of a stalwart on your roster. And then Sony Michelle really unfortunately parted to the locker room during the first half of the game against the Bears downgraded out and where you're waiting for injury news on Sony Michelle.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, right. Right off the bat pro football doc came out and said that he believes it is not a serious season ending injury, that it'll be probably a short term injury to the knee a couple of weeks. That is so far in the early reports. They haven't got the MRI back but the early reports confirm exactly that, that they don't believe it's a season ending injury, perhaps some kind of sprain to the mcl. But we'll know more either by the end of the show or tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

Here's an interesting thing that was brought up because look, you've got your opportunity to make moves right now. Somebody asked, would you trade James White away? The last man standing in that backfield electric PPR machine, Would you trade him for David Johnson?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

I said no because he's such an established piece of a great offense as opposed to the upside of David Johnson with a terrible offense.

[Jason Moore]

It's one of those names going to get you moments. Yes, but if you could, if you could convert David Johnson into James White, I would do that.

[Mike Wright]

No, I mean I got.

[Jason Moore]

I would rather have James White for sure.

[Mike Wright]

I got a brain bruise just thinking about that trade.

[Jason Moore]

It made my heart hurt.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, for sure. But that's the name of the game. You cannot bury yourself in old narrative and expectation if you want to win as the season progresses. There's too many injuries.

[Jason Moore]

Win a championship at the draft. It has been. If it's. It has been proven.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, maybe you grab Todd Gurley.

[Jason Moore]

Okay?

[Andy Holloway]

You probably won your league.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, lots of news. We can also move into some Love Bell news. Jason Locomfora says that the Steelers executives believe it's more likely he returns in week nine. Did not report this morning. There you go.

[Jason Moore]

Looks like you another week of James Conner. So if you held out, congratulations for one more big week, at least it.

[Andy Holloway]

Looks like it's playing out to Levy. And Bell was trying to control absolutely everything about his future, which includes the Steelers, the rumors at least of them trading and the team has come out and said ironclad, we are not trading Levy on Bell. I don't know if they're trying to. I don't know if they're telling the truth or not, but if he signs his franchise contract before the trade deadline, they can trade him.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly.

[Mike Wright]

We'll try to fly through some more of this news. Jacksonville Fournette's going to sit out through the buy. Do you think you get one week of relevance from Carlos hired a. No. Because this offense is struggling so much.

[Jason Moore]

One week of mediocrity, I think he'll split with TJ Yelden and instead of really being an asset to be used, It'll probably ruin T.J. yeldin.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Thanks, Carlos.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Blake.

[Andy Holloway]

Thanks for getting traded, you dummy.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry for your family having to move.

[Mike Wright]

Blake Bortles.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Mike Wright]

Benched. I heard rumors this morning about Derek Carr to Jacksonville because this will fix it.

[Andy Holloway]

What are they doing? No, no, they can't possibly.

[Jason Moore]

That's got to be just speculative, right?

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's based on the yard sale mentality of Jon Gruden. And you know, we. We've heard about Amari Cooper to the Cowboys. I think that Mari Cooper trade would have been more likely had they won this week against Washington. I still think it could happen. But I mean, that's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's going to a garage sale and looking at two lawn chairs like, well, that one's got a tear. This one will make do for my house furniture.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean, we can agree to disagree on that. Derek Carr is a much better quarterback than Blake Portals. Yes, he is a much. He's a. He's. He's still on that. I would much rather have him.

[Jason Moore]

I think the word much is the problem with the sentence. I believe he is a slightly better version of Blake Bortles.

[Andy Holloway]

Portals West.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't. But what happens with Blake Bortles? I mean, no player is best game in his career against New England in week two now bench for Cody Kessler. This team is in shambles right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We'll have to wait. We. Nobody knows who it's going to be this week. I would guess that it'll. It'll go back to Bortles. But if they make the switch, won't be shocked. You just have to wait till Doug Marone tells you who's starting.

[Mike Wright]

Matt Breida played five snaps, hurt his ankle, limped off the field, came back for a snap, limped off the field. Welcome to a week with Matt Burrida.

[Andy Holloway]

Breeda, look, we're take some time. We all. We all admire the courage and the pain tolerance that you in fact have.

[Mike Wright]

My dynasty team does not admire.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not doubt at all the severity of your injuries. Just take a week off a man. Just like a week. Jump in a hyperbaric chamber. Maybe spend the whole week there with two a chamber inside of a chamber and then just rest up, man. Just rest up.

[Jason Moore]

We need the colonel to get some action.

[Mike Wright]

Colonel Mustard, you're not on the trajectory to the playoffs. Take a week. Yeah and no. But Raheem Mostert would be a beneficiary of Breeda misses a week. Blah. Powell was ruled out with a neck injury. This could be Isaiah cruel time. We don't know the length of the injury for Bilal Powell. We'll keep you up to date. LaShawn McCoy left the game with a head injury as well. I had somebody DM me this morning they said, do you drop Lashawn McCoy now? No, this is not. This was not a. I think he looked at the box score and saw no points and thought McCoy played. He didn't play. You don't drop him. He had 200 plus yards the previous two weeks. And then Marshawn lynch is going to be out at least a month with the groin injury. Who's. If you have to play someone in Oakland, you play Rashad.

[Jason Moore]

Right now I would play Jalen Richard. Okay, you don't want to say Krampus, but you want to say Krampus.

[Andy Holloway]

I just think that he's like, I've still lean Rashard but Martin in deeper leagues is worth the speculative ad and it's disgusting.

[Jason Moore]

Don't do it. There's no reason.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he didn't get. He did not get signed in our league of record. He's just sitting there as he should.

[Jason Moore]

If he gets the work, well, he's someone you're not going to want to start.

[Mike Wright]

Here's the end. Look, Mike is not wrong with the deeper league speculative ad because if a player starts, they start. But he's going to get the work that Marshawn lynch gets. He is much worse than Marshawn Lynch. He also. Marshawn lynch was also very irrelevant because of the Oakland offense. So you're talking about the worst of a worse situation. Rashad will spell him and others will spell him. Take it for what you will. You want to sign him and play him, be our guest. Be. But don't blame us.

[Andy Holloway]

You can't say that around me, man. I get triggered.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we've got the. Well, I guess the obvious one here. Patrick Mahomes, 28 for 39. 358 and 4. 4 for 45 on the ground with some casual runs. Just some. They were so casual. They were just like a little jaunt. Little jaunt through the river.

[Jason Moore]

Through the river. Because that's where people take their chogs. They go, you know where I'm gonna jog.

[Mike Wright]

You know the word I was looking.

[Jason Moore]

For inside of that river?

[Mike Wright]

I was looking for the meadow. That's what I was looking for. And it came out with river. Okay, sure, look, he could jaunt through the river if he wanted to.

[Jason Moore]

He sure could.

[Mike Wright]

He could do whatever he wants.

[Jason Moore]

A lot of people might think he could jaunt on the river. Just walk right on that water.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck. 17 for 23. Very efficient. He had four touchdowns on 156 yards. Playing the Bills is fun.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah. I mean, get your Patriots, get them ready.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Next week, Cam Newton the comeback. 25 for 39, 269 and 2.

[Jason Moore]

That sucked. I mean, that just. If you were.

[Mike Wright]

Why did that suck? Exactly.

[Jason Moore]

Here's why it sucked. It sucked if you were playing against Cam Newton and it was great if you were playing Cam Newton because when you watched the first three quarters of that game, you saw trash quarterback play. They were down 17, nothing. Carolina hadn't scored a point. I was playing against Cam Newton and it was like, oh, great. My, my, my opposing quarterback has one point and the game's almost over. He finished as like the third best quarterback.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's Cam Newton for you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I knew it the whole time. I'm like, booty scooting. Oh, yes, he is scooting that booty.

[Mike Wright]

Next week he has to play Baltimore.

[Jason Moore]

You were trying to. You were trying to help my mood when you pointed out, you're like, hey, he's only is the quarterback. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

When your game was going on, I was like, hey, your opposing quarterback barely scored. But.

[Jason Moore]

And I knew.

[Mike Wright]

I was like, yes, Cam finds a way. He did. Again. Mitch Trubisky Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Hey, he was my stream of the week. Look, I know I put Mitch Trubisky on blast and I.

[Mike Wright]

He's responding.

[Jason Moore]

He has responded. You're welcome Bears. Yeah. Oh yeah, you. I mean what more can.

[Andy Holloway]

I remaded him.

[Jason Moore]

I put him. I put his urn.

[Andy Holloway]

And you launched him up into space.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. And then he bring down fantasy points from that. He has converted and you're welcome. But here's the thing.

[Andy Holloway]

You're taking credit.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I am. The reason for Mitchell Trubisky playing well, because I called his very similar to.

[Mike Wright]

Deshaun Watson last year. He took credit for that too.

[Andy Holloway]

Got the post it note on the mirror that says always remember but fuck what Jason Moore said about me.

[Jason Moore]

You darn right you adapt and you change and you don't do that. Just. I mean he was my stream of the week going into this week. Not out of. He is, he is a fantasy relevant option. Just everything you said Mike earlier about the Bears offense is coming true. I still, I still 100% do not believe that Mitchell Trubisky is going to be a great NFL quarterback. I'm like, I believe that. Now will he be valuable for fantasy in this system? Sure, it looks like he's going to have plenty of good games, but.

[Andy Holloway]

So let's answer this question. You picked up Mitch Trubisky to stream him?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

He's got the jets, he's got Buffalo, got Detroit. Are you holding on to Mitch Trubisky and just letting it ride?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I'm starting him in all three of those.

[Andy Holloway]

Papa needs a new pair of shoes.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, those aren't scary matchups. And while you're in these flames, you know, you stay in them.

[Andy Holloway]

He, he is NBA Jam officially on fire.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Three straight games. He can jaunt through a river. I guarantee it. Kareem Hunt. Let's move on to the running backs. He is a man. He is a man. 15 for 86 and a touchdown. Caught two touchdowns. He has turned his season around with the target share. He started to catch passes again and look, he is. He's a solid boy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's ferociously, ferociously good.

[Mike Wright]

Marlon mack.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, hey.

[Mike Wright]

19 for 126 and 1. 2 for 33 and 1 on three targets. I want to speak to Mack briefly because he is not. I, I do not believe in pumping the brakes on Marlon Mack. I think that'd be foolish. But the. But look, I just read to you the recipe against Buffalo and Andrew luck threw for 100 and something yards. This is not what you're going to get every single year you do not get or every single week you do not get 156 yards passing from Andrew Luck in a game where the Colts are leading from the 32nd mark and just get to run the football the entire game where Mack is going to be that guy as opposed to Naim Heinz getting reps. So you cannot expect this from Arlen Mack every single week.

[Jason Moore]

No, I absolutely. I said before the season. I'm so excited to. To have watched and what I feel been proven that he's the best running back on the roster. I really think Marlon Mack is a good player. I like this, but I agree with your take, Andy, that I mean if they're getting boat race, if they're down multiple scores like they were the week prior against the jets, it's going to be Naim Hines. And if they're up multiple scores, it'll be Marlon Mack. So it's. He is still somewhat of a matchup play, but coming forward, he's a flex player for me.

[Andy Holloway]

Did we say that next week they play Oakland?

[Jason Moore]

No. So Marla Mack.

[Andy Holloway]

Marla Mack will be a great start next week.

[Mike Wright]

He will. James White was a monster again in the passing game. 8 for 57 and 2 on 10 targets. Latavius Murray showed up again in the absence of Dalvin Cook. 15 for 69 and two touchdowns. They play New Orleans next week. You can start Latavius Murray if Dalvin Cook is out. Yeah, I mean that's the story.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean it's.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

49 of his yards came on the two touchdown runs, but they still happened.

[Mike Wright]

Now, Jason, I need to know, do you want me to use the drop for this next player during the Rising Star segment or do you want me to use it now? Why not both.

[Jason Moore]

Break out.

[Andy Holloway]

Carry on Johnson.

[Jason Moore]

We're not gonna break out.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, is that supposed to be system of a down?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was. It was.

[Andy Holloway]

That's terrible.

[Jason Moore]

It was terrible.

[Mike Wright]

19 for 158. What a game. Carry on Johnson. Your start of the week. Your start of the year. You're my man crush.

[Jason Moore]

Look, carry on Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

59% of the snaps.

[Jason Moore]

He is a great running back. I think I saw a stat. Was it JJ that tweeted it out? It was something like the carry on has 66 to 69 carries on the season. All the other.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't. Barrett.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, I think you're right. All the other Lions running backs had near the same carries, but they amassed 190 something yards. And he's at 444 stop it. Just give him the work.

[Mike Wright]

Has to feel good, doesn't it?

[Jason Moore]

It feels great. And the nice thing is Amir Abdullah was in the game. So it wasn't like Theo Riddick being gone meant that now it was only two backs.

[Mike Wright]

It mostly was. I mean, yes, Amir Abdullah probably had what, five snaps?

[Jason Moore]

So Amir Abdullah had less work than Theo Riddick would have had if he was out there. I will grant you that for sure. Yes. But are you trying.

[Mike Wright]

You're trying to stifle any concerns that Riddick comes back and Carry on is irrelevant? Well, no, they're not dumb enough to take Carry on out permanently.

[Jason Moore]

This is my start of the week before the theoretic news happened.

[Mike Wright]

Carry on. Still going to lose goal line work.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he will.

[Mike Wright]

And he's still going to lose third downward, but he's Kerry on Johnson. But he's rushed for over 100 yards twice this year, which no Lions running back has done in years. So this was a monstrous game. He's a start every week guy. He's got Seattle, Minnesota, Chicago. So we'll see how that goes. But no great game. Dion Lewis, 13 for 91.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, Dion, welcome back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, this was a nice offensive performance by Tennessee in London this week. They have the buy next week. If Dion Lewis is sitting on your waiver wire, this performance happens. Do you care with the buy next week? Are you going to clog a roster spot with Dion Lewis?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think. I think you should. It's hard to.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, there's ping pong back and.

[Jason Moore]

Forth between I. Dion Lewis Henry came through too, but I actually believe in Dion Lewis versus. But you don't believe in Derek Henry.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, you couldn't believe in anybody in this offense after last week.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Mike Wright]

But are you in the same boat? Are you going to sign him with the bye week? Are you going to put your fab dollar somewhere else?

[Andy Holloway]

I would rather put my fab dollars on like Marlon Mack.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Because I can play him this week if I might put in one of those. Just a little bid just in case no one else is trying to get Dion Lewis because he's on the bye week.

[Mike Wright]

In many ways, this was a week of redemption for players that had expectations before the season, then disappointed and now have relevance again. Dion Lewis, Tariq Cohen, Kenyon Drake, Lamar Miller, Tariq Cohen delivering on the start of the week 8 for 69 and a touchdown on 12 targets. An essential part of that offense. You love it when a running back can have six carries for 14 yards and still put up a top 15 finish on the week.

[Andy Holloway]

But Kenyon Drake say, be this beware.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, beware.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenyan Drake. Six carries, six carries, four receptions. He had eight targets. I mean, you. 10 touches, you got to love that target volume. But 10 touches, this is, this is who Kenyon Drake is. You play him, you get the big 40 yard touchdown, you're very happy. For fantasy purposes, if you don't get that, you are cursing yourself for starting.

[Jason Moore]

And this is why, this is why it's frustrating to be a Dolphins fan. Why Adam Gase is a butthole is because if you have a guy that can so frequently rip off a 40 yard explosive play for a touchdown, you have to give him more opportunities to do that. I mean, it's just nonsensical to me to say, well, he could do that because we give him four carries this game. He had four chances.

[Mike Wright]

Lamar Miller 22 for 100 and a touchdown against Jacksonville. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Emmanuel Sanders, let's move on to the White House. We talked about him Thursday night game, monster game. A lot of Emmanuel Sanders trade rumors. You need to monitor those. I think there's a chance that Sanders or Demary's Thomas are gone by the trade deadline, which is the 30th at noon Eastern. So we'll keep you up to date.

[Jason Moore]

I would just say there's. There's no chance of Emmanuel Sanders value going up at the trade deadline if he's traded. If he's traded, he might go to a better team, to a better quarterback, but a worse situation. He's the clear cut one right now. So he's a guy coming off of another monster game that I would at least be looking to shop to see if you could get high value. I'm not, I'm not trying to get rid of Emmanuel Sanders at all. I love him. You know, if he's not traded, he's going to be great. But if you could capitalize on that huge week, trade him and then it turns out he gets traded, I think you're going to have a huge win on your hands.

[Mike Wright]

Wow. Let's talk about John Brown start of the week, 7 for 134 and a touchdown on seven targets. Jason, start of the week, Adam Thielen. Doing Adam Thielen things, is he the best wide receiver in fantasy football?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Antonio Brown, Would you trade Thielen for anybody? You trade him for Brown?

[Jason Moore]

I would trade Thielen for Antonio Brown. Especially now that Antonio Brown's passes by.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I guess that's.

[Mike Wright]

That'd be the only one the Only.

[Andy Holloway]

Other guy they're in the. But they're in. It used to be Antonio Brown's tier and then you had Beckham and Julio. Antonio Brown lived on his own in his own castle. But Adam Thielen's got a wing.

[Mike Wright]

He's moved in. Yeah, I agree. Because it's not just the touchdowns. It's the quantity of targets and receptions every single game. Even Antonio Brown who's had great success in the last few weeks. It's 5, 6, 5, 656 catches. Jarvis Landry, 10 for 97 and a touchdown on 15 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, baby targets.

[Mike Wright]

Jarvis week delivered once. I traded him. Thanks. And then Tyreek Hill doing Tyreek things despite the long touchdown drop, he ended up with one later in the game. Michael Thomas came back around. Danny Amadola had a nice week. Ty Hilton, two touchdowns on four targets. Look again. They did not have to throw the ball a lot. It was nice to see him recover his value that he lost in yardage with some touchdowns. Devin Funchester, a nice game at the tight end position. Trey burton, monster week. Nine for 126 and a touchdown on 11 targets. We'll talk about him shortly. George Kittle, five for 98 and a touchdown. He's a must start every week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, absolutely. In this tight end landscape, you George Kittle's top half.

[Mike Wright]

Do you guys care about Michael Roberts with two touchdowns for Matthew Stafford, 3.

[Andy Holloway]

He had three targets. It just happened to be the play design. They. They found something they could exploit.

[Mike Wright]

What about Chris Herndon? New York jets tight end, second straight week with the score, 4 for 42 and a touchdown. Just missed the second score on seven targets. And you obviously have a new wah and you have Pryor now out of that system. But it's Minnesota. Did they go after a different area against Minnesota?

[Andy Holloway]

Herndon, he showed up. Now back to back weeks for frame for fantasy football. 56 yards with a score against the Colts. Yeah, 42 and a score. I mean he has to be on your radar at least. I don't know if I'm buying in even though he's technically heating up according to the rules. But I don't. Jason, are you. Are you bought in at all?

[Jason Moore]

I'm mildly interested. I would rather have been Watson.

[Mike Wright]

There you go.

[Jason Moore]

Chris Herndon.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Rising stars of the week.

[Mike Wright]

Man, I feel like we've, we've talked about these guys already. But Mike, your rising star this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure. My official rising star of the week is. Yeah, it's Marlon Mack and he, he has proved Jason to be correct at Least for a week. He still is 100% game script reliant. I strongly believe in that. But next week, if you're looking for a spot starter and we're in those bye weeks where people are or sometimes your number one running back the night before the game decides that he's going to take a week off. Melvin, dang it. But Marlon Mac, I mean, he's got. He has juice when, if he gets an open space, he makes things happen. He's on a higher powered offense against Oakland. He's going to be a great play.

[Mike Wright]

Jason's going with. We've heard you talk about Karen Johnson.

[Andy Holloway]

He's been in this segment before.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, of course he has.

[Andy Holloway]

How do you rise twice?

[Jason Moore]

It's so high in the sky.

[Mike Wright]

Mike, here, here's what we're going to do for your rising star of Kerryon Johnson this week because he had to be in there. So I'm going to say I'm going to play a new game with you.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Would you Trade Carryon Johnson? 4.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I love this game.

[Mike Wright]

This is your rising star.

[Jason Moore]

Trade Carry on away.

[Mike Wright]

What would take you. What would it take for you to trade him away?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man. See, this one hurts. I feel like, well, who would I trade for Carry on, but.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's play.

[Mike Wright]

Would you trade Lasham McCoy for carry on Johnson?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, so we're doing it my way. Heck, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

We'll do it your way. Would you trade David Johnson for Kerryon Johnson?

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Mercy me.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, man.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, goodness. Would I trade David Johnson for carry on Johnson?

[Mike Wright]

I'm a no. I would not do that.

[Jason Moore]

I do not believe the Arizona Cardinals offense will get fixed, but while it's been putrid, David Johnson has still been a top 15 running back. I would stick with David Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Would you trade Nick Chubb for Kerryon Johnson?

[Jason Moore]

In a heartbeat. I would trade Nick Chubb for Kerryon Johnson. I think the Detroit Lions offense is a tier or two above the Cleveland Browns offense. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Would you trade Mark Ingram for Kerryon Johnson?

[Jason Moore]

No, I would not trade. I mean, you're still talking tiers of offense. I want the Saints.

[Andy Holloway]

Would you take this opportunity to flip Kerryon Johnson off of the big game for Mark Ingram who disappointed. Even though we knew he was going to be somewhat disappointed as the Baltimore Ravens?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. It stands to reason if, if I would not trade marking room for carry On, I would trade carry on for marking room.

[Andy Holloway]

But sometimes you get an emotional attachment to a player.

[Jason Moore]

No, I agree. But the reason that carry on is my rising star is Because I don't want you. I don't want it to go away when Theo comes back. Not on the field. In your mind.

[Mike Wright]

Ain't nobody running away from.

[Jason Moore]

He's a starting fantasy option in your lineup every week from here on out. He had 19 carries to LeGarrett Blunt's 10. He is going to be the lion's share. I've said it.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, nice one.

[Jason Moore]

I've said it since before the season. He is a second half player. Well, guess what? The bye week has passed. The second half is here. Carry on, my friends.

[Mike Wright]

Would you trade Carry on Johnson for Mark Walton.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, hey, Karen. What's up, man? No, I. That's just pandering.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it was all right. My rising star is Trey Burton. Look, it's been a bit of an acclimation process, but you got it. He switched teams. New quarterback, new offense. But Trey Burton now has four scores in six games.

[Jason Moore]

He's got four scores six games ago.

[Mike Wright]

Double digit fantasy points in four of six. Turning into the asset we hoped. And what I loved was the quantity of targets, the involvement in the offense this past week. Trey Burton is a must start tight end. I think people were bailing out out of concern for Trubisky.

[Andy Holloway]

I had bailed out.

[Mike Wright]

You had been very. You had pumped the brakes on him, I think.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I did.

[Mike Wright]

I guess we all make mistakes, don't we?

[Andy Holloway]

Well, I don't know. I'm not still, I'm still not bought in.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. I'm just.

[Jason Moore]

You need to buy in, Mike.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, well, all right.

[Mike Wright]

He's a, He's a talented player. They paid a lot of money too.

[Andy Holloway]

I love Burton.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and this is, I guess this is something important for people to realize and remember that don't make a season long conclusion out of one or two weeks, no matter who you are in either direction. Look, we're. We like to have fun on this show, so we like to toot our own horn when we get something right. And you know, we like to make fun of one another when one of us gets something wrong. But this is, this is fantasy football. I mean, the rookie running backs look like they were struggling and then now Sonny Michelle hurt, but suddenly it was Sony Michelle and Nick Chubb and Kerryon Johnson have relevance. You say Trey Burton is not what you hoped. Well, it's week seven, guys, four touchdowns. You know, he's been a top tight end. And if this trajectory continues to the second half of the year, all of a sudden, you know, you're proven right on a guy. So you've got to give some of these things some time to carry themselves out.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely. Pooped in his big boy pants.

[Mike Wright]

I like Bo. No, we're starting with the wide receivers. Oh, and we're starting with this.

[Jason Moore]

Walk of shame.

[Andy Holloway]

Can they break your stride, Andy?

[Mike Wright]

I. Look, I'm starting with Jermaine Curse here. My walk of shame. I. Guys, I don't feel good.

[Andy Holloway]

And we can attest to this foot clan. I've. We've all seen tilts. We've all been face to face. We've stared down the devil, but I have never seen my man just liquefy into the couch. His leagues dominated on Sunday and all he cared about was stupid Jermaine curse.

[Jason Moore]

Because apparently that's all the people cared about.

[Mike Wright]

I think I feel real bad. And look, I had a Justin Tucker moment on this show. Oh, and I missed on Jermaine cursed. And I still feel like the process was right, but I think putting it, you know, pivoting to him as the start of the week. I'm sorry, I didn't know how many people out there were dying for me to say his name to start him, but I got. I've just had so much feedback. People disappointed. I am sorry. It was a perfect storm of suck for that offense. Last week, Darnold completed 18 passes to wide receivers, and that included in New NWA and Prior. Those guys were gone. Jermaine Curse last week had nine receptions. This week, Darnold completed a total of five passes to wide receivers. Five. He had a QBR of 5.9.

[Andy Holloway]

What?

[Jason Moore]

Is that true?

[Mike Wright]

He completed 17 of 42 passes. So Jermaine Curse played 90% of snaps and goosed. This was just real bad. And I. Look, if you started him, I'm Sorry, this is show 633 in our history. This is one of the top times that I. This is the worst I've felt about like, like Mike said, my team's killed it. On Sunday. I was melting into the couch. You were depressed because I just wanted curse to deliver for listeners. And sometimes we get it wrong because basically we can't see the future. And this relationship with you guys, the listener, it's never changed. We try to find opportunities. We try not to be vanilla about everybody. We try to find the right storylines and ultimately present the case for you to decide whether you want to play those guys or not. And I thought that, you know, this one hurts more because I said to go spend your fab on them too.

[Jason Moore]

Right?

[Mike Wright]

That's why it hurts more.

[Jason Moore]

It wasn't putting him in from your bench. It was you signed, correct?

[Mike Wright]

It was. Hey, go get him. And then if you need him, you can play him. You know, And I'm. It was a miss. It was a miss. And. And I don't want to compound that miss by saying double down and keep him on your roster. I think you can cut him.

[Andy Holloway]

You think?

[Mike Wright]

Well, look, if you spend fab on him. That's the question. Yeah, right. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that everybody out there who spent 10 or $15 a fab on him, I just think says, I just hang on to.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like people should have seen this coming. Whenever the fantasy reaper decides to go with a guy whose name is Curse. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You've been cursed.

[Jason Moore]

Come on.

[Mike Wright]

So this is really on you sure? Yeah. Let's do. Let's do. Let's blame them. No, but, yeah, that. That was obviously a big poop of the week for me because I believed in him wholeheartedly.

[Jason Moore]

He wasn't alone in the. I mean, Alan Robinson, you know, pooped his pants.

[Mike Wright]

One for four.

[Jason Moore]

You had Tyler Boyd, everyone waiting for. I mean, Tyler Boyd's been just on fire, playing great. This was the perfect matchup. We talked about it in the beginning of the show. The Bengals as a core. I mean, it was like if you didn't have AJ Green, Joe Mixon sucked. Tyler Boyd's like, everyone was going, where is Tyler Boyd? First half, not even a target. No.

[Mike Wright]

And then, look, carry on apparently hurt Kenny Golladay and Marvin Jones because they both struggled. Both of them pooped their pants. Kenny Golladay. Are you concerned, Mike?

[Andy Holloway]

No. He also had a touchdown called back. I think this was just a product of the game script because what's weird is Kenny Golladay two targets. Marvin Jones only four. I really thought it would be a better day for all of the pass catchers in Detroit, but it just didn't work out.

[Mike Wright]

I think a lot of the questions that people are going to have with the poopers from today are, can you drop them? When it's someone like Corey Davis, Marquis Goodwin, Pierre Garcon, probably not owned, but he stunk. Robbie Anderson, he was. Look, there wasn't a wide receiver that performed for New York, so Robbie Anderson was 3 for 44 on 10 targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Targets.

[Mike Wright]

He's probably the one you want, but.

[Jason Moore]

Is there one you want? This is a Doug Martin situation the.

[Mike Wright]

Week before you did.

[Jason Moore]

He might have the opportunity, but I just don't think you are ever going to know when to start a guy like That I would rather roster people that you, you could be more confident.

[Mike Wright]

Well, what about Marvin Jones, guys? I mean, Marvin Jones has really been a tear down, a step down this year and he hasn't had that monster game. Three for 29 on four targets. This is. If he catches a touchdown, you're kind of okay with him. And then if he doesn't, you're. You're screwed.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's, that's his thing is, I mean, for the first four weeks he was a 50 yard guy. But you do have a pretty good chance of catching a touchdown or getting a fantasy touchdown for Marvin Jones. I'm not dropping Marvin Jones. But you just. It's reallocate he's a wide receiver. 3.

[Mike Wright]

My upside. I'd love you to speak on a player by the name of Antonio Callaway.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I really thought he would. I thought he would do something.

[Mike Wright]

Now what is the opposite the book.

[Jason Moore]

Lane, listen to me. Don't worry. Nobody played him to us.

[Mike Wright]

Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Oh, yes, yes.

[Mike Wright]

For two weeks I've been saying you don't put him in your lineup unless he shows you a week of glory.

[Andy Holloway]

My, my man Antonio Calloway cannot catch the ball. No, no, he, he 100% netted all of us a glorious Nick Chubb touchdown. So thank you, Antonio. Antonio Galloway for coming through.

[Jason Moore]

That is true. He can, he can draw pass interference.

[Mike Wright]

Can you start any Jacksonville wide receiver ever?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Well.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't know. Who's the quarterback?

[Mike Wright]

Blake Bortles.

[Andy Holloway]

If it's Bortles. No, if it's Kessler, like Moncrief had another solid game. But no, I'm not going to try and QB poopers.

[Mike Wright]

I got a snake, man. Blake Bortles, horrible, atrocious. What are the odds that Blake Bortles win somebody a fantasy title with like some week 15, 16 performances?

[Jason Moore]

Like he's just. I mean, I absolutely think Blake Bortles wins people fantasy championship. He does it every single year. Because this is the time of year when it's like, oh, yeah, okay, he does suck. He's terrible. He gets, you know, he's going to get dropped everywhere, he's benched in his own team and then he'll come back and have monster games later because that's like the definition of bordering.

[Mike Wright]

If Fournette comes back and they get their defense on track and Bortles was still the starter at that point in time. Yeah, you probably got a better option that got you to the playoffs. Andy Dalton, terrible game. We know it. 15 for 29 for 148 and 1. I think he got too locked in on. On AJ Green and it just cost him. And then. And then.

[Jason Moore]

Not too worried. He's got Tampa Bay next. I'm going to keep him on my roster. I'll play him next week.

[Mike Wright]

Running back poopers. Bad game for Ezekiel Elliott. This means pretty much nothing to you as a fantasy owner. You play Ezekiel every week. It was just a rotten game and it cost you Ingram. He got the short end of the stick on the Camara split this week, including around the goal line. He was only 12 for 32. Baltimore is the best defense in football in my opinion right now. And so you take your lump. But he has to go into Minnesota next year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it could be another rough week, but you just, just hold on to Mark Ingram. Better days are coming.

[Mike Wright]

Corey Clement, maybe the biggest pooper of the week. Eight for six, barely did anything. Faces Jacksonville next week. What do you even make of him? Because Josh Adams got snaps in the backfield for Philadelphia. Wendell Smallwood had a ton of snaps. This is a mess.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it's. It's absolutely a mess. And it's, it's now for, for Cordy, it's turned into touchdown or bust, and that's very unfortunate.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, Willow Small would. Had nine carries. Corey Clement had eight carries. There wasn't a whole lot of.

[Andy Holloway]

But that's what they were like. The game script was if you didn't watch the game, I mean, the Eagles were in control of the game for the vast majority of the time.

[Mike Wright]

So I agree that final drive, I.

[Jason Moore]

Agree that they were in control. They were up 17, nothing going into the fourth quarter. So it's a positive game script. But it wasn't going well. It wasn't. They weren't dominating the Eagles from an offensive outpouring standpoint. And I think. Or the. The Panthers. And the Panthers are a good defense. So I'm not, I'm not at. In any way, shape or form getting rid of Corey Clement or I'm not.

[Mike Wright]

Getting rid of him. This is a confidence situation. There's a. I mean, we said it at the. During the show last week. Clement feels capped.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And then it was proven by the Josh Adams snaps this week. So you, you cannot.

[Andy Holloway]

Are you going to play him against Jacksonville?

[Mike Wright]

I'm not.

[Jason Moore]

I think he's on the flex conversation for Jacksonville. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Full set for me. I think either he's still banged up or they don't trust him to the degree that they want to make him the guy. So I'm going To put him in the Callaway category. If.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

Now on. No, in the Callaway. By Callaway category I mean prove it till. Until you prove it, you don't get a start.

[Jason Moore]

But he has proved it. Callaway has never done jack a lot.

[Mike Wright]

He hasn't proved it.

[Jason Moore]

I mean 11 for 43 and a touchdown the week prior when he was unlimited snaps. He's had another touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

That touchdown saved that fantasy production. That's not. Does that prove a whole rest of season production for him?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I mean we've seen it. If you go back last year, we've seen Corey Clement be a quality player.

[Mike Wright]

I don't agree.

[Jason Moore]

We haven't seen Callaway be a quality player.

[Mike Wright]

What I mean Clement last year was not a. He was a bit part player.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That occasionally had a touchdown, had very limited snaps. I don't think that Josh Adams would not have had an uprising in snaps to that degree. And Small would have the high leverage game on the line. Okay. They're coming down to win the game. Trying to come back on Carolina. Corey Clement is nowhere to be found. Take that for what you will.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Do you pick up Josh Adams?

[Andy Holloway]

No.

[Mike Wright]

No. I think it's just a terrible situation.

[Jason Moore]

Glad you said no. I was going to call you out on your logic.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I did. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

Thought you trapped him.

[Jason Moore]

I thought I got him.

[Mike Wright]

You're going to call me out on the hypothetical logic. I did not have Jordan Reed, Kyle Rudolph. Boo. Bad weeks. Jordan Reed 2 for 43 despite the fact they had no pass schedulers in Washington.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I was going to say bad week or led the team in receiving yards. Is. Both are true.

[Mike Wright]

Watching Alex Smith play football is painful. That is all.

[Andy Holloway]

They won sanity.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

But it's just. It's crazy that we've gone from Alex.

[Jason Moore]

Smith of last year to top five fantasy quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

Just.

[Mike Wright]

It's Andy Reid.

[Andy Holloway]

Absolutely. Just reverted to everything that he was.

[Mike Wright]

It's painful. Yeah. And then Kyle Rudolph. At this point, can you drop Kyle Rudolph?

[Jason Moore]

No. No, you can't drop Kyle Rudolph.

[Mike Wright]

Now what if I had. If I said a different player with a different name with the same stat line, would you still say that? And that's not saying. I'm not trying to catch you in.

[Jason Moore]

A logic before this week where he busted. He was the ninth ranked tight end in fantasy football and he's on a good offense. So I would say no.

[Mike Wright]

8, 6, 5, 2.

[Jason Moore]

That's his last tight end suck. I mean I'm not saying.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, no, I get it, I get it. I get it.

[Andy Holloway]

I Wouldn't drop him unless there's a sure fire upgrade. But there's not.

[Mike Wright]

It seems that when Cousins has is deciding who to pass the ball to, it's always Adam Thiel. Although Stefan Diggs had 14 targets this week, do not forget about him.

[Jason Moore]

If I have like 33 yards, he was bad.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he had eight receptions and limited total yardage, but eight. All I'm saying is I would look at Diggs as a possible buy low because of that target. Sure, each and every week. And Thielen's overwhelming the minds of everybody and Thielen's amazing, but Stefan Diggs with 14 targets tells me you target a player like that. Yeah, target the targets, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

All right, we're going to answer a couple of mailbag questions before we close out the show.

[Jason Moore]

Mailbag. Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

All right, you got a question? Go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button or dial a voicemail hotline. 302464, TFFB. First question here from Tim in New Hampshire. I traded Jordan Howard. I got him off the waiver wire from a dummy who dropped him.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Mike Wright]

And Kenyon Drake. So he traded Howard and Drake for Dalvin Cook. Love the podcast. Thanks. Say hi to your mother for me.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I like it.

[Mike Wright]

You do like.

[Jason Moore]

I like it a lot.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, because Howard, like, look how many points the Howard.

[Mike Wright]

The suck.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, Oh.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, the Howard puns.

[Andy Holloway]

That one is bad.

[Mike Wright]

He didn't bring in our Monday punday. Brooks.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, hold on, hold on. What's Monday punday?

[Mike Wright]

Last week, when I asked.

[Jason Moore]

When I was gone, when I asked.

[Mike Wright]

The foot cast for metaphors, and I got 250 puns instead.

[Andy Holloway]

Sure.

[Jason Moore]

Pun of the week.

[Mike Wright]

We need some of those for tomorrow. Foot, Clint.

[Andy Holloway]

What Dalvin Cook could become is far greater than, I think the sum of Howard and Drake.

[Jason Moore]

Howard and Drake are players that you can start every week. Exactly. Okay. But they can also dive bomb your team. I do agree that if Dalvin Cook waits until he's healthy. If Dalvin Cook was healthy. If he were healthy, he would be very valuable. You've seen Latavius Murray be valuable the last few weeks, and Dalvin Cook has been great. I worry so much about the injury. I mean, I was dealing with that. And with Fournette, it's like, well, you.

[Mike Wright]

Always say you want the best player in a trade, right? So the question is, is how confident are you that Dalvin Cook's the best player in that trade based on the injury situation?

[Andy Holloway]

Confident. But wouldn't you? It stands to reason that rostering Jordan Howard and Kenya Drake is in fact an injury to your fantasy roster.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know. This is. If we're sitting here on this show and talking at length about having any running back on your roster, possible you want to roster Marlon Mack and you want to roster who did you say? Doug Martin.

[Andy Holloway]

I said deep stash. I didn't say, look, oh my God.

[Mike Wright]

We know you love Doug Martin.

[Andy Holloway]

It's true.

[Mike Wright]

But you could do worse than having Drake and Howard on your roster.

[Andy Holloway]

The concern is just with the amount of points that the Bears are putting up in the past three weeks and Howard is not performing for. He had the touchdown this week and if I recall right, he had two, one was called back.

[Mike Wright]

But stashing injured players has hurt you this year.

[Jason Moore]

It has.

[Mike Wright]

It was Devonta Freeman or Leonard Fournette or even to this point, Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook or Lev Bell.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait.

[Mike Wright]

The waiting game at running back has not you. So maybe it's just stinging a little bit.

[Jason Moore]

And similar to what I was saying a couple of weeks ago with for that it looked like, hey, he's having trouble. He's re aggravated it and they had that buy coming up at week nine. That's a little scary. Like it's so beneficial for the team to hold him out. Dalvin Cook has a week 10 buy. So let's say he comes back and he's just completely fine right now, then okay, you're, you're, you're solid. But he, if he comes back this week against New Orleans, he's not getting start. You're not going to start him. If he comes back this week, you do not start that player.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. And then you're in the buys. I do this trade If I am 6 and 1.

[Jason Moore]

Right.

[Mike Wright]

Because I can afford it.

[Jason Moore]

And you better have other running backs so you can start right now. You cannot make this trade. Getting rid of two startable running backs.

[Andy Holloway]

To say he said he scooped Howard off the waiver wire.

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

But that doesn't mean.

[Jason Moore]

That doesn't always mean that he might need Howard. If he's trading this and he thinks, okay, Dalvin Cook's going to my starting lineup, watch out because you might not be able to start them this week. And then if that happens, if they hold him out one more week, then they get his buy. But then that's three weeks where you don't get to play Dalvin.

[Mike Wright]

It's frightening to me. Gage in Vermont, Illinois, apparently that's a state inside of a state wow. Is Rule 86 still in the rulebook? Mike, great question. He's got a grimace the size of Vermont. There's face.

[Andy Holloway]

There's been an amendment to the rule that says Rule 86. You start. Jordan Reed. If Jordan Reed is healthy. AC Exhibit A. If Kirk Cousins is his quarterback. Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Yep. Nope. That is the correct answer.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Mike Wright]

It's not likely he'll be his quarterback anytime soon.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, it's very unlikely.

[Mike Wright]

He's just in. Kyle Rudolph has been traded for Jordan. No. All right, last much more important question. Sean in Washington. Why is fantasy football not fair?

[Andy Holloway]

Easy. This is easy. Because fantasy football is life and life is not fair.

[Mike Wright]

Drop it. Drop the mic.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, make sure you check out draft.comballers if you're gonna play some DFS this upcoming weekend. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye, everybody.

[Jason Moore]

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