Week 8 Matchups, In-or-Out, Blastoff!

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary: Week 8 Matchups, In-or-Out, Blastoff!

Release Date: October 26, 2018
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright

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1. Episode Overview

In this engaging Week 8 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright dive deep into the latest fantasy football developments. From pivotal player injuries and in-depth matchup analyses to strategic in-or-out decisions, the trio provides listeners with essential insights to enhance their fantasy football strategies for the week ahead.

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2. Key News and Updates

Deshaun Watson’s Resurgence & Will Fuller’s Injury

One of the standout topics was Deshaun Watson’s remarkable performance rebound, juxtaposed with the unfortunate injury to Will Fuller:

• Mike Wright highlights Watson's explosive return:

  "[05:28] Mike Wright: It hurts [for fantasy owners] because Deshaun Watson has come back to life for fantasy purposes."

• Andy Holloway laments Fuller’s injury:

  "[05:01] Andy Holloway: Hopkins gets a bump up from Fuller, but Watson gets a bump down."

Watson's renewed vitality offers a much-needed boost for fantasy managers, especially those balancing quarterbacks, while Fuller’s potential torn ACL poses significant challenges for his fantasy reliability.

Ed Dixon’s Signing with the Seattle Seahawks

A major injury update was the signing of Ed Dixon by the Seattle Seahawks, which promises to bolster their offensive capabilities:

• Andy Holloway expresses excitement:

  "[15:09] Andy Holloway: The Seattle Seahawks signed a monster contract."

• Mike Wright adds details on the contract specifics:

  "[15:31] Mike Wright: He's signed for three years at $10.7 million, with $3 million guaranteed."

This acquisition is anticipated to enhance the Seahawks' running game, providing valuable depth and potential fantasy upside.

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3. In-or-Out: Player Injury Updates

The hosts meticulously review player statuses, advising fantasy managers on whether to keep or drop players based on recent injury reports and game-time decisions.

Notable In-or-Out Decisions:

• Marlon Mack:

  "[08:46] Jason Moore: Are you in or out?"
  "[09:07] Andy Holloway: He was downgraded after not practicing."

  Decision: Andy opts to wait for further updates before making a move.

• Matt Breida:

  "[10:02] Andy Holloway: If Breida is active, would you play the Colonel?"
  "[10:32] Mike Wright: I would not."

  Decision: Start Raheem Mustard if Breida remains inactive.

• Royce Freeman & Ben Watson:

  "[11:10] Mike Wright: Royce Freeman, in or out?"
  "[11:52] Jason Moore: Eileen, Out."
  "[11:44] Jason Moore: I lean out as well."

  Decision: Both players are trending out; managers should consider benching them.

• Larry Fitzgerald vs. Ben Watson:

  "[45:39] Andy Holloway: I would take Rudolph over Watson."
  "[46:16] Andy Holloway: So, I'd start Rudolph."

  Decision: Favor Fitzgerald due to the favorable home matchup against the Vikings' tight end defense.

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4. Fantasy Forecasts: Matchup Analysis

The hosts break down key matchups, offering strategic advice on which players to start or sit based on their upcoming opponents and recent performances.

Eagles vs. Jaguars ([21:33] - [23:05])

• Key Points:

  • A.J. Bouillet is out, potentially boosting Carson Wentz’s passing game.
  • Nelson Aguilar receives increased target opportunities but hasn’t capitalized on them consistently.

• Notable Quote:

  "[22:06] Jason Moore: AJ Bouillet is out. Amazing for Carson Wentz."

Browns vs. Steelers ([23:03] - [27:06])

• Key Points:

  • Nick Chubb is a reliable RB2 option with touchdown upside.
  • James Conner shines against Le'Veon Bell, with potential for increased usage.

• Notable Quote:

  "[23:51] Jason Moore: Lower level RB2 production. Chubb is a goal-line threat."

Colts vs. Raiders ([28:11] - [31:38])

• Key Points:

  • Jordy Nelson expected to be a key target in a favorable matchup.
  • Doug Martin offers low-yardage, high-efficiency potential despite past inconsistencies.

• Notable Quote:

  "[28:33] Mike Wright: How much would you pay for that ticket? Doug Martin debut."

Packers vs. Rams ([32:20] - [37:37])

• Key Points:

  • Remarkable odds with the Packers as underdogs.
  • Jimmy Graham emerges as a top TE option due to increased opportunities.

• Notable Quote:

  "[38:34] Andy Holloway: Jimmy Graham is a tight end one this week."

Saints vs. Vikings ([37:37] - [46:04])

• Key Points:

  • Stefon Diggs is a must-start with high target volume.
  • Latavius Murray offers flexibility but remains a low-end RB2 option.

• Notable Quote:

  "[38:34] Jason Moore: Jimmy Graham is a tight end one this week."

Patriots vs. Bills ([46:04] - [48:51])

• Key Points:

  • Patriots favored despite Bills' sporadic defensive performances.
  • Tom Brady remains a reliable QB1 option with adjusted target distribution post-Gronk.

• Notable Quote:

  "[47:47] Mike Wright: Patriots Destiny defense is a solid choice."

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5. Special Segments

Quarterback Draft

In a fun and strategic segment, the hosts engage in a quarterback draft, discussing their selections and the reasoning behind their choices.

• Andy Holloway opts for the reliable Patrick Mahomes, emphasizing his dominance:

  "[50:53] Andy Holloway: My guy has to be Patrick Mahomes."

• Jason Moore selects a mix of proven and high-upside QBs:

  "[53:17] Jason Moore: Roger's team projected to win."

• Mike Wright combines safety with potential breakout performances:

  "[52:12] Mike Wright: I went with Ben, Kirk Cousins, Mitchell Trubisky, Andy Dalton, and Russell Wilson."

Notable Quote:

"[50:26] Mike Wright: But you already know how to play."

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6. Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers wrap up the episode by reinforcing the importance of staying updated with player statuses, making informed in-or-out decisions, and leveraging favorable matchups to maximize fantasy points. They also hint at upcoming special content, including a Halloween surprise for their listeners.

Final Words from Hosts:

• Andy Holloway:

  "[54:44] Jason Moore: We hope you are the banker version of Oregon Trail this week. Goodbye."

• Jason Moore:

  "[54:50] Andy Holloway: Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Mike Wright [05:28]:
  "It hurts [for fantasy owners] because Deshaun Watson has come back to life for fantasy purposes."

• Andy Holloway [15:09]:
  "The Seattle Seahawks signed a monster contract."

• Jason Moore [08:46]:
  "Are you in or out?"

• Andy Holloway [10:02]:
  "If Breida is active, would you play the Colonel?"

• Mike Wright [22:06]:
  "AJ Bouillet is out. Amazing for Carson Wentz."

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Final Thoughts

This Week 8 episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is a treasure trove of insights, offering valuable advice on player selections, injury management, and matchup strategies. Whether you're a seasoned fantasy manager or a newcomer, the hosts ensure you're well-equipped to navigate the complexities of fantasy football and set your team up for success in the coming week.

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Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome to the show.

[Jason Moore]

That sounded like someone who had Deshaun Watson in their lineup. That was jubilant.

[Mike Wright]

I throw a touchdown every four passes.

[Jason Moore]

Old school. Watson game to play.

[Mike Wright]

It's always nice when a quarterback has the potential to be insane, right? Welcome into the Fantasy footballers podcast. Friday, October 26th. Thursday Night Football in the books. Jason is here.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. I am very excited. I have made it alive to the studio after a night of Red Dead redemption.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, we're all barely here, but we're. But we are.

[Mike Wright]

Mike is here.

[Jason Moore]

I heard from many in my mentions, they said, look, we love the show, we love the podcast, but we get it. If there's no show tomorrow because everyone's been up playing Red Dead. We understand. I said, nate, we shall be here.

[Mike Wright]

Well, of course. I mean, I. I tweeted you beat the game. I was sure, sure. I played. Played a little bit. I tweeted last night, I was watching Thursday Night Football and I said, look, Will Fuller, let's wrap this thing up. I got Red Dead to play. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry.

[Jason Moore]

Fuller by name.

[Andy Holloway]

He did. And then immediately, immediately after he wrapped up his season, Will Fuller goes down with a knee injury. It has not been confirmed yet, we think, but it's a torn acl.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, and the pro football doc and the actual Texans.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Have said that they're, you know, they.

[Andy Holloway]

Assume that's what it is. They're waiting for the MRI to. Yeah, I don't think I've. I can remember a time where it's come out that the fear is a torn ACL so quickly from multiple parties. And then it's like, oh, it wasn't.

[Mike Wright]

Pragmatically speaking, he was still a worthwhile start of the week. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Monster game. Absolutely. There was far more fantasy goodness in this matchup than, honestly, than I really saw coming. Watson was absolutely on fire. Lamar Miller, welcome back to the party. Lamar Miller, the past couple of weeks he's been keeping it hot 133 and 1. Just narrowly missed a really, really long touchdown for his second. Hopkins was, was nothing through about three quarters and then he was everything. He was Hopkins once again. It was a crazy game.

[Mike Wright]

It was. And Drake delivered in a big way. Good game from Amendola because he threw a touchdown pass. Devontae Parker, welcome back to the NFL.

[Andy Holloway]

Adam Gase is a butthole.

[Jason Moore]

That's a, I think will be one of the big storylines.

[Andy Holloway]

Think about, think about this. You had Kenyon Drake, this unbelievable talent who couldn't get to the field even after you traded Jay Ajay. He was behind Damian Williams. It took that injury and now you've got devonte Parker, first round pick who hasn't been able to get to the field until Albert Wilson and Kenny Stills went down. He's been a did not participate coaches decision, you know, not even in the lineup and now he's like, oh yeah, that guy's pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

So are you in though that. Because that's going to be the questions for everyone come waiver time. I know we're the waiver shows not till Tuesday but people want to talk about it right now. Are you going to be targeting Parker?

[Mike Wright]

If I would rather be dead if still I would rather be dead than target devontae Parker. I don't want ifs or buts, candy or nuts, no coconuts.

[Andy Holloway]

If Stills is out, I would be willing to take a flatiron on park.

[Mike Wright]

If he catches a helmet deflected 46 yard pass in every game. He will be. If you subtract the wide receiver wise.

[Andy Holloway]

If you subtract that play and say it didn't exist because it wasn't even a target to him. And I will fully grant that's not like one of those. Oh, if you take his 80 yard runaway. No, that was not even targeted to him.

[Jason Moore]

It would have been awesome if he had caught every target.

[Andy Holloway]

I know.

[Jason Moore]

But then he was six receptions, five targets. Yes, that would have been sweet.

[Andy Holloway]

But if you take that away, he still had a monster game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brock Osweiler, sure. Tannehill will be back. Tannehill has never targeted him. He's inconsistent. He always gets hurt. Maybe you're right.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Good luck. If you start him, I'll give you a silver dollar, a pat on the back.

[Andy Holloway]

Good luck boy.

[Jason Moore]

And the other question will be, we finally have seen desean Watson coming back to life for fantasy purposes. But if he doesn't have Will Fuller.

[Mike Wright]

It hurts.

[Jason Moore]

It's to me, is a really big hurt to the fantasy production. Watson.

[Mike Wright]

The Dolphins did not play defense last night. The secondary took on. They were leaving early for Red dead. And here's the thing. When you looked at Watson the previous two weeks, he was atrocious. He did not run the ball at all. He did not have the mobility to get outside the pocket, do what he did last night.

[Jason Moore]

Looks healthy.

[Mike Wright]

There weren't. Yeah, there weren't really signs of life to him. And he came out and he exploded. And look, we were even looking at some rosters yesterday in our leagues and saying, you know, why didn't this guy drop Deshaun Watson? He's got Carson Wentz on his team. Why take up two spots? This breathed a little life into it. And that's the thing that a quarterback with lakes can do. It's getting out. It's what Russell Wilson can do. The deep ball becomes available when you can escape the pocket and let elite talents do elite things. But now Hopkins is by himself. So his target share, his volume, his ability to magnetize the ball to his hands. Yeah, look, those are all there.

[Andy Holloway]

Hopkins gets a bump up from Fuller, but Watson gets a bump down.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Jason Moore]

And also, Kiki may be on your waiver wire, so just make sure you mentally note that because it's the Thursday game, sometimes you forget about those guys by the time waivers are rolling. But Kiki is going to get a huge opportunity.

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And the targets will be required. I mean, there's just no way around it. All right. It is Friday.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

It's got a certain value.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Oh, Patrick.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

As you started to say that name, it was Patrick Mahomes because we were really close.

[Mike Wright]

I. If Patrick Mahomes was a member of the Foot Clan, he'd win every week.

[Andy Holloway]

Every week. He'd win it in a way, because.

[Mike Wright]

He'S the quarterback on two of my teams, the 5 and 2 and 6 and 1 teams. I feel like he's a part of the family already.

[Jason Moore]

True.

[Andy Holloway]

Moving along.

[Mike Wright]

Moving, moving along. Wait, you're embittered by that fact?

[Andy Holloway]

I am embittered by that fact. Of course I'm in those leagues with you.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Certainly. What's it gonna be, McFly?

[Jason Moore]

Are you in or out?

[Mike Wright]

All right. Oh, Jason. Oh, Jason. Jason, Jason. Did you have a heart attack at gak?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I'm not happy because I was so excited for Marlon Mack time to exist. He did not practice yesterday after we recorded the show where I said, he's my start of the week. He was downgraded.

[Jason Moore]

And that was after being limited on Wednesday.

[Andy Holloway]

Right. So you don't like to see that. You hope that it's just rest. I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna wait because I think we should have a practice report before the end of this. It's really important. If he's back at practice today, great. If he's out today, then I would have to pivot from my start.

[Mike Wright]

I. Matt Burrita, in or out?

[Jason Moore]

He did not practice on Thursday. That doesn't mean he won't play. He's one of the hardest injury projection guys because he just keeps fucking the odds.

[Mike Wright]

Should we just put him as out for all fantasy owners? But the matchup is so good.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I was going to bring up. Can you start him if he is active? Because he's going up against the Arizona Cardinals who've been just.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And he's. He is the later game. So you're going to have to make a decision.

[Mike Wright]

You should be the most dirt owner.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

If you could. I mean, I don't know if he's still on your waiver wire or not, but it would be great to have a backup option.

[Andy Holloway]

If Burrita is active. Would you still play the Colonel? Would you play the Colonel? And for those who don't know, the Colonel, of course, is Raheem. Must start Mostart.

[Mike Wright]

Mostert Yes, Mostert.

[Andy Holloway]

Colonel Mustard.

[Mike Wright]

Colonel Mustard. That's why you say Colonel Mustard. Pronunciation benefit.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. If.

[Jason Moore]

If Breida is active, it's just a. It's a glory play. If you play the Colonel.

[Andy Holloway]

I would be. I think I would be fine starting the Colonel.

[Mike Wright]

I would not.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Because the way that I see this is I don't think Alfred Morris is going to, you know, really have that number two role. So if Breed is there, you're still playing a split backfield who's got work. And I don't think they're going to give Breida the whole kit and caboodle. So you'll be okay even if he's active? There's a chance, obviously, since it's happened twice already in seven weeks that he exits again early, in which case the Colonel takes over. So I'm. I'm a full.

[Jason Moore]

That's why I say it's a glory play. You're projecting. Breida will play and then go down and then Mustard will get the work.

[Mike Wright]

Lashawn McCoy, in or out?

[Jason Moore]

He is practicing already on the limited basis. He's in the concussion protocol. He's the Monday night game, though. So unless you're getting clearance early Sunday, by early Sunday morning, you better have Chris Ivory or someone that you can pivot to if you want to rely on Shady.

[Mike Wright]

Do you think I'll play?

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Mike Wright]

Royce Freeman, in or out?

[Andy Holloway]

Out. Chris Thompson, he's practicing in a limited basis, but he did last week as well, and he did not play. Eileen, Out.

[Jason Moore]

I lean out as well, but if he's in, is he right back in your lineup?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. Oh, 100%.

[Mike Wright]

Peyton Barber, in or out?

[Jason Moore]

I guess he's back. I mean, he returned to limited practice on Thursday, so I believe that he will play, which we were talking about. Ronald Jones as a low level running back, too. If Peyton Barber plays. You can remove that. Remove that statement.

[Mike Wright]

Let's go with Sony Michelle. No, he won't play wide receivers. Allen Robinson didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. In or out.

[Jason Moore]

That's troubling that he didn't practice on Thursday as well.

[Andy Holloway]

He's completely not practicing. I'm going to lean out.

[Mike Wright]

Geronimo Allison, Randall Cobb, I think they're.

[Jason Moore]

Both going to play. Robbie Anderson did not practice on Thursday as well, so trending out, but hopefully it doesn't matter.

[Mike Wright]

He's an in for me. Okay, real quick. He was not spotted so far today at practice. He's wearing camouflage. Rob Gronkowski, he was Monday night game.

[Andy Holloway]

Monday night game. So that's a scary situation. You've got to have someone pick up Charles Clay in that same Monday night game.

[Jason Moore]

But I agree with Andy's face that he's making. But if you're playing the Gronk game, you better be ready. I mean, I'm actually. We call Charles Clay. We call Charles Clay Mr. Necessary because of what he was for the offense. He's earned the moniker yet again. He is necessary for Gronk owners.

[Andy Holloway]

I have been fielding a lot of questions of people who have Gronk and they've got someone else. They were able to pick up Greg Olson when he was coming on, you know, and I'm telling everyone to go with the other player. I'm not waiting. If you have another tight end, that is if you picked up O.J. howard or you picked up someone else, I'm just starting those other guys because there is still the chance. We've seen it before where Gronk is out there as a decoy and he hasn't been a dominant force. So you've got the chance. He misses. You got the chance. He's just not as integral and he's using the decoy role. If you've got another.

[Mike Wright]

You do have the chance. He scores three times.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, sure, yeah. He is strong, yes. But the risk isn't worth the reward. If you can. If you've got an O.J. howard, if you've got a Greg Olson.

[Jason Moore]

I think it's easy to answer that way, though. If you have another top 10 option, then go with them.

[Andy Holloway]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

But if you have no one else, and your waiver wire right now is Ben Watson, Ricky Seals, Jones, Cameron Brait.

[Andy Holloway]

So I would start Ben Watson, but not Ricky Seals Jones or Cameron Bray. In those situations, I would grab Charles Clay. Okay. And wait for Gronk. That's my take. And you know, I'm. I'm generally where you're risk averse.

[Mike Wright]

Of the three of us, Jack Doyle.

[Jason Moore]

He'S back to limited practice.

[Andy Holloway]

I do not believe he is going to practice. They have the bye week coming up and I think he'll be back after the buy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mike Wright]

All right, don't forget, we'll update you. These things are always changing. Gotta be water. So the game day alerts one hour before the Sunday kickoff and Mike will be on Sunday Live on YouTube, Instagram, etc. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. You'll want to subscribe. We have something special planned for Halloween. I'm telling you, you don't want to miss it.

[Andy Holloway]

You have to have It. But did you guys hear the biggest news? Injury wise of the week. Huge.

[Jason Moore]

Maybe.

[Andy Holloway]

Ed Dixon upgraded to full oh. In Thursday's practice. Oh, yeah, baby. Get ready. What team is he on? Jason? The Seattle Seahawks signed a monster.

[Jason Moore]

People don't know.

[Mike Wright]

Monster contract.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, he signed a monster contract. Like Ed Dixon.

[Jason Moore]

Like he signed on with the company. Monster energy drinks.

[Mike Wright]

Three years.

[Andy Holloway]

Like $30 million.

[Mike Wright]

No, it isn't even remote.

[Andy Holloway]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

$15 million?

[Mike Wright]

No, not even 15. It's three years. 10.7.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. And guaranteed is 3 million.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what he is.

[Mike Wright]

Why do you think Ed Dixon.

[Andy Holloway]

Just wait.

[Jason Moore]

Collecting $30 million, Ed Dixon caught 95% of his total career yards in that one game against Detroit. Just.

[Andy Holloway]

Just you wait.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, we will wait forever for 31.

[Jason Moore]

Year old Ed Dixon to break out.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Get out of there.

[Andy Holloway]

It's just about to happen.

[Jason Moore]

He's an upgrade for the running game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. All right. Hey, before we get into the rest of the fantasy forecast, we do have.

[Jason Moore]

Breaking news that we don't need the button. It appears Marla Mack is practicing today. So that was. That came through the sleeper alert. I have not verified the hype.

[Mike Wright]

The hype is. The hype is too intense on Marlon Mack. Yeah, Major pump.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say this. With him missing, it still feels like I should not make it my start of the week. He's risky. I'm going to pivot to Gurley.

[Mike Wright]

Question. You're going girly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that makes sense. I have good feeling about him. With regards to the Will Fuller injury, we did have a. I had a number of Twitter questions that were in the same vein asking this question for commissioners, for owners in this situation. A lot of people entered into trades. Okay, so here's one example. On Wednesday, I traded Doug Martin for Will Fuller. Unfortunately, we got a 24 hour veto process because the Thursday night game was kicking off and he was part of the deal. That means the trade doesn't go through until week nine next Tuesday. So now I'm getting a broken Wolf Fuller and my friend is getting Doug Martin.

[Andy Holloway]

Should the commissioner the better end of that deal?

[Mike Wright]

Should the commissioner automatically cancel the trade now that I'm receiving damaged goods? The commissioner and the rest of the league think the trade should go through. I'm not sure if that's because I'm in first place or what. Let me know your thoughts.

[Jason Moore]

Here's why we funny the timing. We just talked about this on the show that when you're heading into the weekend, you need to cancel all your trades because you don't want something to happen in the middle of a game where a player can then jump on and click accept of a trade because a player is now injured. The same is for Thursday nights. Don't make trades. If you. You knew the 24 hour process was there. You can't make a trade heading into the game where something might happen. And I love the Foot Clan. I love all the listeners of the show, but you made a mistake, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. The issue is you took a shot.

[Jason Moore]

Shooter's got to shoot.

[Andy Holloway]

You took your shot whenever you are accepting a trade, and you know this isn't going to go through until the next week. That's the risk in every single one of these trades. Now, if the. This is the only way that I would say you can undo the trade. The only way is if the other player, the other team involved in the trade says, yeah, I don't feel right about it. I'm fine undoing it. If they want to undo it for guilt or whatever reason, then sure, I.

[Jason Moore]

Or just being a moral, upstanding citizen.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, I don't think it's immoral to sleep in the bed that they made. But I get what you're saying, like the spirit of the trade. I had somebody else right with the reverse situation, and they said, I just traded, you know, these three players to get Todd Gurley. And it was like two players plus Will Fuller. He's like, I kind of feel bad about it now because I don't think the trade was that good to begin with for this person.

[Jason Moore]

But you got Todd Gurley. I would stick with the Don't.

[Mike Wright]

Don't get guilty. Don't get guilty.

[Jason Moore]

One of the criminals best rules.

[Andy Holloway]

Don't get guilty. Get girly.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy forecast. All right.

[Mike Wright]

London, London again, we've got the Eagles at the Jags. Early, early, early. 9:30 Eastern. Set your lineups early. Remember to remove those players from your flex spot, put them in their starting spot and you know, if there's anybody that you're on the fence about, just remember, if you wake up after the game starts, you don't get to change them. Let's start here with that London game. The Eagles, the Jags. Some news about that game. A.J. bouillet.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Out.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We did the full forecast of this game yesterday, but that's the news you got to update. AJ Bouillet is an incredible cornerback. This is. It's got to be at least a slight upgrade for Carson Wentz in the passing attack.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean, you have Jalen Ramsey and A.J. bouillet. That's right. On the second half. That's what's made the Jaguars so great. It's allowed, you know, coverage sacks and things like that. So this is good news. I think this is good news for Nelson Aguilar, at least having an, an opportunity. I would expect Ramsey to be on Alshon.

[Mike Wright]

Aguilar has been targeted intensely this year.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. He has not, he has not done enough with those targets, I would say. Is that fair? That's fair, yeah. So this is a game where maybe he breaks out, but really it everything is Ertz to me, like everything always is. Coming up Ertz for the Eagles.

[Mike Wright]

Everything hurts.

[Andy Holloway]

Everything hurts all over.

[Jason Moore]

And that is a good REM song.

[Mike Wright]

After you're done working out. Everything hurts also.

[Jason Moore]

So if you were, if you were worried about playing Alshon Jeffrey because of the tag team cornerback duo first off, I don't think you should have been. But now you have a reason to say Alshon's going to be fine.

[Mike Wright]

The two four and one Browns take on the three two and one Steelers. It's a. Well, it's a 49 point over under. The Steelers are eight point favorites. These two teams need to go to the overtime.

[Andy Holloway]

It'll be great.

[Mike Wright]

Again, double ties. I want them to tie twice. Nick Chubb now the running back for Cleveland. Can they count can fantasy owners count on Nick Chubb for RB2 production in this matchup?

[Jason Moore]

Lower level RB2 production. He's going to get a ton of volume and he's the goal line back. And if Cleveland ever gets, if they ever sniff the goal line, they go to the run. So you always have touchdown upside with Nick Chubb.

[Andy Holloway]

We saw that with Carlos Hyde. Carlos Hyde was very inefficient this season but very good for fantasy because he was getting all the goal line work when they got around there. And so yeah, Chubb is basically Carlos Hyde. Plus because he has the ability to break off a 50 yard run for a touchdown should one open up. And you know, the, the so far the Steelers have been very solid against the run and not, not solid at all against the pass, which is not Chubb's game. So do you think Duke Johnson could be more involved in a higher scoring a game in the passing game or are you guys low on him simply because the first Chubb high or the first Chubb Duke Johnson game did not see a lot of usage for Duke Johnson?

[Mike Wright]

I look there's always the possibility Duke Johnson was pretty good the week before, but because the range of outcomes for Duke Johnson is so wide, I'm looking elsewhere in this matchup. I'm ideally not starting Duke Johnson in Pittsburgh, you know, right. You can. There's bye weeks, but I'm scared.

[Jason Moore]

His usage as far as opportunities was actually very similar to two weeks ago when he had the big game four reception, 73 yards was on five targets. He had four targets last week, but it only turned into four receptions for 23.

[Mike Wright]

Do you think he's flex worthy?

[Andy Holloway]

It's.

[Jason Moore]

He's not my favorite flex option, but. Desperate times, man.

[Mike Wright]

Can do we expect David and Joku to keep up the newfound mojo with Baker Mayfield?

[Jason Moore]

Yes, I do.

[Mike Wright]

He has been the tight end five since Baker Mayfield took over. So Steelers not good. Not good against the tight end position. That's why David and Joke is my start of the week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's. The breakout is real.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Is this the last time we see James Connor with that delicious workload?

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't. At some point you have to go, eh? We're gonna give it another week. I mean, you know, I think it's the last time. Yeah. Maybe.

[Mike Wright]

Aren't you just fatigued? I mean, the reality is he has to come back.

[Jason Moore]

We're talking about Levy on Bell.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

We sound like we're talking about Voldemort right now.

[Andy Holloway]

He who shall not be named. No, look, James Conner has been great. I mean, people have been posting the metrics everywhere, talking about how James Conner's actually been more efficient than Le'Veon Bell was through these same amount of games last year. Better against stacked boxes.

[Mike Wright]

The Steelers are scoring three more points per game with James Connor.

[Andy Holloway]

Right, Exactly. And obviously the team has rallied around Connor and is not very happy with Le'Veon Bell. And I mean that on a player level. So, you know, I don't. I'm less convinced that when Le'Veon Bell comes back, at least week one, he's just going to take over. I. I don't think that's going to happen. But we do know right now this is James Conner's game. It's his workload. And you know, maybe how he performs in this game could possibly dictate what happens going forward.

[Mike Wright]

Well, and I think the question was, is this the last full workload for him?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's the last full.

[Mike Wright]

And would you be trading him like you had advised for previous weeks? If you can.

[Andy Holloway]

Lev, Bell needs to report by what, week? 10. Right.

[Mike Wright]

The trade deadline is this Tuesday. But that's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's the current narrative. Right. First it was. It was going to be he's coming back at the bye week, but then the bye week happened. It was well, it's the trade deadline. He's worried about the trade deadline. The only thing that we know for sure is that he has to report by week 10 to have free agent eligibility. So at this point, I don't think it's a trade deadline issue. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But even if it is a trade deadline issue, that's next Tuesday. They're going to report on Monday and he's not going to be there Tuesday and he's not going to be there. It's very. So I think James Conner gets a full workload next week.

[Mike Wright]

JuJu Smith Schuster right now eighth in the league in targets per game. He has dominated Cleveland in two career games, nine for 143 and a touchdown. And then in week one, five for 119. Feeling very cozy with Juju?

[Jason Moore]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

All passing McDonald all passing members for the Pittsburgh Steelers shall be started.

[Mike Wright]

The two and five Colts take on the one in five Raiders in Oakland. The Raiders are three point underdogs at home, a fifty and a half point over under. And the feature back Doug Martin makes his debut. It's a Doug Martin, Jordy Nelson, Martevis Brian, Jared Cook show. Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Mike Wright]

How much would you pay for that ticket?

[Andy Holloway]

What year is it?

[Mike Wright]

That's a good question.

[Jason Moore]

Four years ago this would be a hot team.

[Andy Holloway]

Team is lit. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, yes, they're at home, yes, they're coming off the buy. But you, you grimace when you talk about starting anybody from Oakland. Right. Do you really feel confident in Jordy Nelson because Amari Cooper's gone?

[Andy Holloway]

I do.

[Jason Moore]

There's going to be opportunity.

[Andy Holloway]

I just think that, you know, look, the Colts are going to score because the Raiders can't stop anybody and the Colts offense has been looking better and better. I'm a big fan of Frank Reich, the new head coach and Andrew Luck has I think put to bed all the shoulder questions and worries over these first seven weeks of the season. So if they're scoring and the Raiders have to throw the ball, there's no Colts. This is not a Colts defense. It's going to scare me where I think if Jordy Nelson gets 10 plus targets, he's going to be fantasy relevant. That doesn't necessarily mean he's, you know, a top 15 wide receiver, but he's a guy that I think should be started in most situations.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. All right. Some. Get some Artavis Bryant hype coming out this morning. Greg Olson really excited about Martavis, the hype train.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I mean Martavis is an interesting speculative type of Ad if you had a burner spot and you wanted to throw him on there because we've seen him, we've seen him be a quality fantasy producer before. He's got the speed to do it. I don't know that Derek Carr is willing and wanting to throw the ball down the field.

[Jason Moore]

That's the bigger problem for Martavis. If you're going to get production, it's because a wide receiver screen turned into a 70 yard play.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

And Martavis can do that. He has the ability. But that's a, That's a low probability thing to be counting on.

[Andy Holloway]

He needs a go route.

[Jason Moore]

But car is not going to throw the.

[Mike Wright]

Martavis had 72% snap count in before the bye week. With Amari Cooper, 34 routes run, that'll go up. So interesting that he was seeing that much time beforehand. We've talked enough about Doug Martin. I mean, he's averaging 3 yards of carry since 2016.

[Andy Holloway]

It's not why Mike loves him so much.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Mike. Mike loves him because it's a low. It's kind of a. You can handle that low of a yards per carry. Yeah, Mike feels like he could go jogging with him and keep up.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, well, I probably could do that.

[Mike Wright]

Till your shin started hurting. Yeah. He's holding a Krampus right now. You have a Krampus dollar.

[Jason Moore]

Look, we talked about desperate times when I was talking about Duke Johnson. I would rather flex Doug Martin than Duke Johnson. Can we at least agree on I.

[Mike Wright]

Would rather flex Jaylen Richard over both of them?

[Jason Moore]

You didn't give me that option.

[Mike Wright]

Well, you have it now. Is he an RB2 in PPR leagues? Jalen Richard?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Colts given up the third most receptions to the running back position. Seems like he'd be a nice DFS target too.

[Jason Moore]

And Richard has already got 31 receptions on the year. Sixth among running backs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, and then Jason loves Jared Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Let's say I do. He's my start of the week. I, you know, look, here's a good example and people might say it's crazy. I think Jared Cook has a better game than Eric Ebron in this same matchup. Eric Ebron has been on fire, you know, was catching all the touchdowns. But Ty Hilton is back. The Raiders have been okay against tight end because they've been so bad elsewhere. And this might not be an Eric Ebron game. If Marla Mack is out, are you going Naim Hines, Are you going Jordan Wilkins, Eileen Hines, hard pass on all. Really? Against the Raiders. If Marlon Mack is out, you're not Going to start any of those running back?

[Mike Wright]

I guess I would Flex Naim Hines. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Jack Doyle, if he comes back, do you start Ebron? You brought him up like does Jack Doyle somehow make Ebron not startable?

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Andy Holloway]

Agreed. I would still say Ebron is startable.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. The 1 in 6 49ers take on the 1 in 6 cardinals.

[Jason Moore]

Speaking of hard pass, fans will be cancel this game.

[Mike Wright]

They're distributing. You know they do the giveaways. They're 20,000. The first 20,000 fans get those devices that hold your eyes open. They automatically.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Clockwork Orange and then the other 20,000 are given blindfolds.

[Andy Holloway]

That is so funny that my plugs. There's gonna be more than 20,000 people.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there will be over 16,000 extra apparatus is available after the game. But those 4,000.

[Andy Holloway]

New offensive coordinator.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

This is the storyline. Mike McCoy is gone. Byron Leftwich is in charge. He was the right hand man of Bruce Arians. Has a lot of great quotes circulating from his press conference yesterday about how he was shoulder to shoulder. A lot of knights nodding off with Bruce Arians. He's going to incorporate everything from that. So cute. Yeah, it is. And you know, are we buying that hype? Because look, you can't do worse. It was so frustrating to watch David Johnson constantly get rushed right up the middle for no gain. So frustrating. You do anything else and you're going to get more value. So I think there's more value here.

[Mike Wright]

These quotes weren't there when we brought it up on Monday. I mean, correct. Once Mike McCoy was fired, my approach was, look, Byron Leffertz was part of Bruce Arians coaching staff. Anything that's not Mike McCoy, that's a plus. Anything that is Bruce Arians, that's a plus. David Johnson doing anything but running it up the middle, that's a plus. So yeah, I was targeting him everywhere. David Johnson is a top, you know, 12 running back rest of season.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he's been a top 12 at least for this so far this season. Yeah, it's a good matchup. I, I still do have my concerns with Josh Rosen. The interior of the offensive line and the overall offense, they don't have a lot of great weapons. Christian Kirk is an ascending talent, Larry Fitzgerald is a descending talent. And then there's nobody else.

[Mike Wright]

Larry Fitzgerald though, there's some talk about him being more involved. Do you have any interest in picking him up off the waiver wire to see what happens or no?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, 100%. I have interest in picking him up off the waiver Wire. This is not a homer thing. I remember in the off season, you guys criticizing me on why I hate Larry Fitzgerald so much. He's been injured. If you remember the first week of the season, right before the injury, 7 for 76. He was still involved. The most targeted, the number, the clear number one target. And then he's been injured and hobbled. Not doing well last week, 4 for 40, got the touchdown. He's at home. We talked about the, the difference in splits between home and road for Larry. I don't expect Christian Kirk to be the leading receiver in this week's game. I expect it to be Larry Fitzgerald.

[Mike Wright]

Would you pick up Fitzgerald over Kirk if you were trying to grab a season long option?

[Andy Holloway]

I would.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. And then on the other side of the ball, we've talked already about the burrito situation, Colonel Mustard in the conservatory, but Markey's good one. Is he a good boom play this week? Right now averaging fifth in the league and average depth of target. Sixth among running backs or I'm sorry, amongst wide receivers and fantasy points per target. But you know, big boom. Bus play.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, big boom. We've, we've now seen big boom, big bust in the past two weeks from Marquis Goodwin. So if, if you're going to play him, you're accepting that you may receive two points.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, Pierre Garcon is, he's gonna, he's not gonna, he's gonna miss the game. So that means I think Goodwin is.

[Jason Moore]

You know, more targets.

[Andy Holloway]

More target.

[Mike Wright]

George Kittle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, I agree.

[Mike Wright]

George Kittle is hop upon his back and ride.

[Jason Moore]

And I like that. George Kittle understands fantasy.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. What was that story?

[Jason Moore]

There was a quote about him saying how he was gave some extra oomph to get into the end zone because his fantasy coaches need points.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, George.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, I remember that replay review. I didn't think he got in and they gave it to him. All right. The three, two and one packers travel to Los Angeles to take on the undefeated rams. Rams are nine and a half point favorite, a 56 and a half point over under. You know, the packers coming off the bye week and this is the largest line, the biggest spread in terms of underdog that Aaron Rodgers has ever had.

[Andy Holloway]

I was, I was unaware of that. I did not see that stat. I was literally going to pose that question. I can't ever remember Aaron Rodgers being in this situation. But that's.

[Jason Moore]

They're disrespecting the rocket launch record of the Packers.

[Mike Wright]

What is that?

[Jason Moore]

3, 2, 1.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is this Blast off. Blast off right now.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, well, that's what the record says anyway. I got chased.

[Mike Wright]

Off.

[Andy Holloway]

I am a fan of the record. Blast off. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

I'm going to be honest, I thought of that joke during the Browns game, the Steelers matchup, but I didn't have time to use it. Somehow the opportunity presented itself again. I could not pass it up.

[Mike Wright]

Well, really, there's nothing more to cover at this point. All right. The next game. No, I mean, in some ways that's true because you're starting Aaron Rodgers. You're starting Goff, Gurley, Cooks Woods, Devonte Adams. Yeah, and Devonte Adams. So I think the questions that I have. One, one is about Jimmy Graham because I kind of like I've been offered Jimmy Graham in leagues. I've had Jimmy Graham starting against me. I always feel like I'm happy that he's starting against me, but he's kind of playing well and you know, he's averaging seven and a half targets per game. He's been a tight end one in four straight games and players like Jared Cook have, you know, exploited the Rams defense, funneling things in the middle of the field. Is he a top five tight end this week?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I think he is. There's going to be so many passing yards in this game and the over under is 56 and a half, which is very high. I'm slamming the over on this.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

I can't fathom them, these two teams not being able to both score when needed. So yeah, I think Jimmy Graham is valuable. Three of his seven games he's been over 75 yards for a tight end. That's crazy. And coming into the season, we thought it was going to be all of his touchdown opportunities that made him special. So I like Jimmy Graham quite a bit in this game.

[Jason Moore]

The only breaks that I'm going to tap here for Jimmy Graham, they didn't have anyone. I mean, you had, you had Devonte Adams and then rookie wide receivers who they held their own, but they weren't.

[Mike Wright]

But they're still rookies and not necessarily as reliable in those third down situations.

[Andy Holloway]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

So I think that Jimmy Graham did receive an uptick of opportunity because of the injuries. And now Geronimo is back. Randall Cobb is back, at least for now. So I'm not opposed at all to calling Jimmy Graham. He's a tight end one.

[Mike Wright]

If you have to start a running back on the packers this week, you are starting Aaron Jones. Mike or Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it would be Aaron Jones. I think there's a chance for A larger game this week from Aaron Jones, but I would rather not. I want to say I'd rather not start him, but I think he's actually going to be okay.

[Mike Wright]

If you have to pick one, you're picking Aaron Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, 100%.

[Mike Wright]

Todd Gurley has 14 touchdowns. He is on pace to break the single season record. And I wanted to briefly bring this up because I brought up the other day, you know what? If the Rams clinch early, do they play Gurley in week 16? I hope he remains on pace to break the record because last year, the Rams did struggle, as Mike said, after resting their players in week 17, despite the fact that, you know, they could have gotten the three seed, although it was not just up to them. It was dependent on other teams. If Gurley's on pace for a record, it flips the script entirely because then they're playing for the record. I mean, Todd Gurley's on the field, and Sean McVeigh's agenda is to get a player a touchdown record. That is the best case scenario for a fantasy running back. So I didn't want to send panic and chills through people's souls when I said, hey, maybe Gurley gets sat. We all set on the show. We're not moving and we're not really doing anything about it. But there is the world where Todd Gurley wins you a title because he is going for a record. He has the most. Or he's tied with Priest Homes for the most through the first seven weeks of the season.

[Andy Holloway]

So he is well aware of where he's at on that record. And it is important to him that's been reported. So, I mean, it'll be.

[Jason Moore]

So coming down to week 16, it'll be the first time a running back will be the running back one on the week with four carries.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It'll be all Malcolm Brown.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, until.

[Jason Moore]

And then they'll get down to the one. Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

All right.

[Jason Moore]

Get in there, girly. So have four carries and four touchdowns.

[Mike Wright]

It has been confirmed that Will Fuller is out for the season with a torn right acl.

[Jason Moore]

That sucks.

[Mike Wright]

He looked defeated on the field after that play. He didn't even look in pain. He just looked, like, resigned. And that. That stinks because two times in that game. Mike out out of the blue just posted in our Slack channel.

[Jason Moore]

It was after play.

[Mike Wright]

Will Fuller is really fast.

[Andy Holloway]

There are very few, few players in the NFL that can do what Will Fuller can do. Tyreek Hill stinks.

[Mike Wright]

He's been injury prone his whole career.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, it is. It's really, really sad because this is an offense. We saw it the second half of last year before Watson got injured and now that they're they're rolling, this is an offense that could be a monster.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

For fantasy and for just the NFL. I mean three weeks into the season when the Texans were zero and three Vegas odds on favorite to be the first coach fired was Bill O'Brien and now they're five.

[Jason Moore]

Now they're going to win the division or look like it.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, yeah, this is a huge blow.

[Mike Wright]

If the Jags don't figure things out, that is what's going to happen. The 5 and 1 Saints take on the four 2 and 1 Vikings in an exciting Sunday Night Football game. I love it when you have a the primetime games just filled with fantasy players. 52 1/2 point over under. The Vikings are 1 point home favorites and look, this is exciting. This is our rematch from the Minnesota Miracle. The Stefan Diggs walk off and I love Diggs in this game. He's my start of the week. Looking at the storylines for this matchup, it starts with Latavius Murray and Dalvin Cook in the situation. We know that Cook is going to be out a while. Couple great games. I mean Latavius Murray went from dud fill in to stud fill in. Week six was the RB7. Week seven was the RB6. But you know, what do you think about him in this game at home?

[Andy Holloway]

I am not a big fan of Latavius Murray in this game. Now can you start him? Absolutely.

[Jason Moore]

I wasn't a big fan of him last week and he still came through.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the Jets RB6.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, but the jets, the Saints rush defense has been very good. They're the third best against fantasy points given up against the running back position and I think this will be a higher scoring game where it's not going to be perfect for the running game script. And then you've got a tough D. Now he'll, he'll get the volume so he's okay. To me though, he is not a top 20 running back. He's in that low end RB2 or a flexible RB3. That's how I see him despite how great he's been the last two games.

[Mike Wright]

Okay, let's, let's talk about Alan Camara. Let's talk about Mark Ingram. They're both must starts in this game despite the tough matchup.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, Camara is always a must start. Ingram is the one where you can take a look and decide if you want to play him or not. I will just Lay out my personal scenario. I have to. I need two running backs between the three guys of Nick Chubb, Kerryon Johnson and Mark Ingram.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Who are you playing?

[Jason Moore]

As of right now, Mark Ingram is on my bench.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

So you don't have to play him. And he's not a must bench either. He's just. He's similar to. I'm similar to Latavius Murray. Fringe running back to Murray or Ingram.

[Andy Holloway]

Great question.

[Jason Moore]

That is a great question.

[Andy Holloway]

Great question. I would take Ingram.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I would as well.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Trequan Smith was in, you know, he was a big discussion point for the waiver show. Is he a legit flex play in this game or are we kind of. Yes, you know, on the road against Minnesota.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, legit flex. He'll be a legit flex play every single week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I completely agree. I don't know that every single week, but this is going to be a high scoring game. So I would love Treekwon Smith as one of those shoot for the moon, 70 yard touchdown flex options. What about Kyle Rudolph?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah, he plays tight end.

[Jason Moore]

He does for the Minnesota Vikings.

[Mike Wright]

The Saints are great teammate. Great teammate.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

A great friend of the show.

[Andy Holloway]

Solid guy.

[Mike Wright]

He's been on the podcast.

[Jason Moore]

But this is. If you got him, you're probably playing him. But like, okay, I'll just, we'll go same game. Would you rather. Would you rather play Kyle Rudolph or play Ben Watson?

[Andy Holloway]

I was looking at this same thing because Ben Watson has been so involved. The Vikings are actually not that good against tight end, whereas the Saints are. And I was thinking, I was thinking the exact same question. Who would I rather start?

[Mike Wright]

And I see no difference between them. I see them as identical players. The one that scores, you're happy with. If they don't score, you're not happy with them at all. Been Watson this whole year. That's been the story. So I don't think I see them any different.

[Andy Holloway]

So, you know, think I would start Rudolph? Yeah, I don't feel good about it.

[Mike Wright]

I would probably do that too because they're the favorite and that would be my defining factor, being at home. All right, let's talk about the Monday Night football game. The 5 and 2 patriots take on the 2 and 5 bills. The bills are at home. The bills are 14 point underdogs.

[Jason Moore]

Holy crap.

[Mike Wright]

The Bills have filed a petition to simply simulate this game in the. In a computer. Just play it on Madden and file away this.

[Jason Moore]

We accept all results.

[Mike Wright]

We just want to keep everybody else healthy. No, I mean, look, when you Break it down. The Bills don't have their starting quarterback. The Bills might not have their starting running back. The Bills have no tangible actual starting wide receivers on the roster. And you know Charles Clay leads the way with about three catches a week. So is there any scenario where we're surprised with a lack of Patriot production in this game on the road divisional matchup. The Bills have had a couple of randomly surprising defensive performances this year.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean that's what it would have to be. It would have to be one of these shocking Bills performances. We've seen it twice already. But you in fantasy football, you play the probabilities. Several weeks ago we, you know, we were light up your Vikings against the Bills. That was wrong but the process was still right. I mean you have to play the odds on favorite for what the results going to be and the Patriots should destroy the heck out of the Bills. So I'm fine with pretty much all of the Patriots.

[Mike Wright]

Did you say destroy the heck out of the Bills?

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. You know the Patriots destiny defense and you know their defense, special teams, that's going to be. I mean they might be the highest scorer outside of Tom Brady right over under six touchdowns from the.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I think, I think you might be surprised with. With their defense. I think they'll be. Obviously they're a top five start but I, you know, it's not. Peterman is that good?

[Jason Moore]

I don't know. Anderson was really bad.

[Mike Wright]

How does the Gronk injury change target distribution? If you were to miss the game, how excited are you for Gordon and for Edelman? Do they move up here?

[Jason Moore]

I'm very excited for Edelman. That's why it's my start of the week and yeah, I mean these guys are starting for you regardless.

[Mike Wright]

Can you flex Chris Hogan if Gronk is out?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

James White also great play. Josh Gordon, I would be willing to play Brady. Obviously Sony Michelle probably won't play on the Bill side of the ball. The only player that I would play is Shady or Chris Ivory.

[Mike Wright]

Man. I. Bills are the only defense, by the way that has not allowed over 300 passing yards in a game. If Gronk, I'm gonna say this. If Gronk is out, the Bills are covering this spread. This game's. This game will be seven points or less if the. If Gronk is out. That's my. That is my hot take. I'm not gonna go almost. I'm not an absolute lunatic, but I.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you have an almost upset this week.

[Mike Wright]

I did, I did. It was the Lions game.

[Andy Holloway]

Ah, okay.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Before the Daily Dose, I do want to jump into a couple injury updates. The Buccaneers head coach dirt cutter on the show. Well, not on the show, but during the show.

[Jason Moore]

Look, Dirk, you're welcome to come on.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Anytime you want. He said Peyton Barber's good to go. I know there were some bullish talk about Ronald Jones yesterday. Would you like to dispose of that?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, crumple it up, throw in the garbage. I mean, the reality is we thought that coming out of the buy, it was going to be the Ronald Jones show. It wasn't. It was the Peyton Barber show. That's their starting running back. You're just going to have to deal with it. Ronald Jones fans deal with it.

[Mike Wright]

It's going to be painful. I mean, enjoy your disappointment regardless.

[Andy Holloway]

The Daily Dose brought to you by draft.

[Mike Wright]

All right. Last week I whipped your guys butts.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you did. You did.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

My second loss.

[Jason Moore]

Still reeling.

[Mike Wright]

So what are we doing today, Mike?

[Jason Moore]

We're doing a quarterback draft.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I've heard of that.

[Jason Moore]

So if you're not familiar, you can check out draft.com ballers, get in on the action, go play some draft DFS. But you already know how to play.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I don't get the first pick, though.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. As of right now, which will hold. Jason has the first pick.

[Andy Holloway]

This quarterback. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It's really not fair. It's really not fair in a quarterback. Only that you get the first pick. I guess someone's going to.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone has to get the first pick. And look.

[Mike Wright]

So who are you going with?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to stay in.

[Mike Wright]

I know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. Mitchell Trubisky. Because you want to stand by him.

[Andy Holloway]

No, for sure. My guy has to be Patrick Mahomes. He's everyone's number one quarterback. Until he's not. Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And I followed that up. I'm taking Aaron Rodgers in the. In the insane over under and scoring that we're projecting for the Rams Packer game.

[Mike Wright]

I went big Ben, Kirk Cousins.

[Jason Moore]

Interesting.

[Mike Wright]

Big Ben, Kirk Cousins. I like Cousins. At home against New Orleans because New Orleans can score and Kirk Cousins can score at home.

[Jason Moore]

I'm very happy. I thought for sure you would take Jared Garf, but now I've got that entire, entire match.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Very happy about it.

[Andy Holloway]

I love that. I was really hoping to get Jared Goff. Unfortunately, I did not. But Drew Brees is not too bad of a consolation prize. And you know the Oakland Raiders defense, they don't scare me much. Andrew Luck has been just excellent. I like what their offense is doing.

[Jason Moore]

So I'm going to use a touchdown machine right now. And I'm. Jameis Winston is going to be my third quarterback pick against Cincinnati.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I'll go with Truth Bisky. Oh, and I'll combine him with my start of the week, Andy Dalton at home against Tampa Bay. Feel good about that. You guys are going to lose to me again.

[Jason Moore]

All right, well, then I'll take. I'll take the player that I bypassed the first time, and that's Tom Brady.

[Mike Wright]

No chance at 300 yards. Man, you hear that stat?

[Andy Holloway]

I was. That's. That's very upsetting because that's twice in a row I wanted. Goff and Brady ended up with three. I keep leaving them to Mike and Carson Wentz. Now, what are the rules? Can I take Deshaun Watson?

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he already played.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he already played.

[Andy Holloway]

And you guys are very particular. I am going to take Matthew Stafford then.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that means I'm going booty scooting. I am braving the injury.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

To Cam Newton.

[Mike Wright]

Why not?

[Jason Moore]

But he's Cam Newton.

[Mike Wright]

And I'll close it out with Russell Wilson. That's my almost upset of the week. Seattle beating Detroit in Detroit. They are three point dogs. So I guess. I guess we're done. I have Big Ben, Kirk Cousins, Mitch Trubisky, Andy Dalton and Russell Wilson to win the. To win the whole thing.

[Andy Holloway]

Not bad. I've got Patrick Mahomes, who could play by himself.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he's like two guys.

[Andy Holloway]

Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz and Matthew Stafford.

[Jason Moore]

And the current projected winner according to draft, this team. Rogers, Goff, Winston Brady, Booty Scooten.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, you're actually great with the projected winner thing. You just haven't really executed on the actual winner thing.

[Jason Moore]

I find that insulting.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, he is directly insulting you. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Moore]

I find your insults.

[Mike Wright]

Well, we.

[Jason Moore]

To be insulting.

[Mike Wright]

It's very. It makes sense here because you've been around Jason and we were projecting his league of record team to do something that I didn't do.

[Andy Holloway]

It did not. It did not bear the same.

[Mike Wright]

Who else can I insult? Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

You got a bad face, Brooks. Take that.

[Mike Wright]

How's billions treating you? How are you done filming this season there, judge? Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Baby Josh. Baby Josh was born yesterday.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes, and give him his bottle.

[Mike Wright]

Here's how we're closing the show. We played Red Dead Redemption last night. There's a couple moments that we were joking. Reminded us of, you know, living that Oregon Trail life. And then baby Josh is like, I played Oregon Trail growing up. And then we realized he played like, no, you didn't. Version 11. Because we were, we were talking like, oh, gee, back in my day, black screen, Terry.

[Jason Moore]

It was green. Everything was green.

[Mike Wright]

You're darn right it was.

[Jason Moore]

That's how we like.

[Mike Wright]

And we liked it. We loved it.

[Jason Moore]

We did. But then I got better and now I like the new version.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I don't know where I was.

[Andy Holloway]

Good luck this week in your games. Don't forget to vote for us. A foot plan. Vote. Have a wonderful.

[Jason Moore]

We hope you are the banker version of Oregon Trail this week. Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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