Week 8 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, What Do They Know? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/24

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast – Week 8 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, What Do They Know?

Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright
Episode Theme:
This episode dives deep into Week 8 NFL matchups, fantasy football start/sit advice, trending player news, injury updates, Vegas oddsmaker mysteries, and a signature blend of humor—including the Wheel of Shame and Fantasy Face Off segment. The guys dissect questionable coaching, confusing betting lines, and the perils of projecting fantasy outcomes, all while keeping the banter light and listener-centered.

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Main Discussion Themes & Structure

1. Thursday Night Football Recap and Quick Hits

• The crew opens with a self-deprecating review of previous predictions gone awry, particularly Jason’s “off day” of picks.
• Highlights:
  • Vikings' Struggles: Emphasis on the importance of a quarterback for Minnesota. “If you don’t have a quarterback, nothing else matters...you are the worst team in the league.” – Jason (03:53)
  • Carson Wentz and Jordan Mason Disappointments: Both players called out for underperformance, exemplifying the week's fantasy unpredictability. “Jordan Mason was maybe the worst player in the game.” – Jason (02:11)

2. Emerging Storylines & Quick Waiver Winners

• Oronde Gadsden Breakout: Noted as a historic TE start & top waiver target. “Dominant...historically speaking, one of the best starts to a career at tight end that you've ever seen.” – Jason (05:46)
• Rotating Fantasy Value in The Chargers Offense: Weekly volatility and tricky start/sit conundrums for wide receivers (e.g., Quentin Johnston, Ladd McConkey, Keenan Allen, Gadsden).

3. Key NFL News and Injury Updates

Discussion Timestamp – 08:35 to 13:30
Injuries and their Fantasy Implications:

• Amari Hampton in a walking boot, out until at least Week 13.
• A.J. Brown’s hamstring keeps him out of practice, questionable for Sunday.
• Widespread Jets injuries, including Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner ruled out.
• Jalen Waddle DNP: “He is hurt at all times, but he usually plays through it.” – Bill (10:52)
• Lamar Jackson limited in practice but expected to play.
• Josh Downs (Colts) upgraded to full practice after concussion.

4. Week 8 Matchups Deep Dive

Timestamp Highlights per Game:

a. Bears vs. Ravens (14:29 to 17:58)

• Vegas line: Ravens strong favorites despite Bears record; focus on the Ravens regaining health.
• “It’s also a form of not really endorsing the Bears’ 4-2 record.” – Jason (15:16)
• Start/search consensus: Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, and Zay Flowers recommended starts.
  • Zay Flowers vs. DK Metcalf—a recurring debate. (16:23–18:07)
    • “Metcalf is a placeholder for me...just making sure Lamar is going to play.” – Mike (16:38)
    • “Most people in a trade would take DK Metcalf in that trade.” – Jason (16:45)

b. 49ers vs. Texans: Vegas Mystery (21:12 to 25:26)

• Line confusion: Houston favored at home despite underdog circumstances.
  • “What does Vegas know that we don't know?” – Jason (21:33)
• Uncertainty around Nico Collins and Christian Kirk.
• Brock Purdy unlikely to play; Mac Jones expected to start for SF.
• George Kittle as a “fearful” start vs Houston’s stout TE defense.

c. Buccaneers vs. Saints (28:10 to 32:29)

• Bucs as road favorites; Saints as underdog grinders.
• Saints’ WR Chris Olave is a strong start due to Bucs' secondary weakness.
• Alvin Kamara Disappointment:
  • “He is the running back 29 on the season...highly disappointing.” – Jason (32:06)

d. Broncos vs. Cowboys: Points Explosion Test (33:26 to 38:45)

• Dallas games average a whopping 61.1 points this season.
  • “That’s the fourth highest total...since Y2K.” – Jason (34:12)
• Start 'em all: Bonix, Dobbins, Sutton, RJ Harvey for Denver; CeeDee, Jake, Dak, Javonte for Dallas.
• Strength of schedule, “litmus test” (or “litness test,” as they banter) ahead for Dallas.

e. Colts vs. Titans: Best vs. Worst (38:55 to 42:19)

• Colts ranked 1st in offense on every metric compared to Titans’ dead last.
  • “This is the best versus the worst. Which actually scares me for wide receivers in this game.” – Bill (41:12)
• Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, Daniel Jones are no-doubt plays. Alec Pierce as the WR punt.

f. Packers vs. Steelers: Rodgers Revenge Narrative (43:43 to 47:29)

• Jordan Love (start of the week), but debate over his “consistency score.”
• “Jordan Love is a very good player leading them to good victories, but fantasy-wise…” – Bill (45:00)
• Christian Watson’s return noted; Romeo Doubs as the recommended WR play.

g. Monday Night Football: Commanders vs. Chiefs (48:25 to 55:21)

• Chiefs as massive favorites, Commanders’ O expected to sputter.
• “If you want to know whether a quarterback or two WRs coming back moves the line at all. Not the wide receivers.” – Jason (48:34)
• Isiah Pacheco a strong start, Rashi Rice emerging, Travis Kelce’s ROS ranking debate:
  • “He is a top 25. He is a top 25.” – Bill (53:17)
• Caution on Commanders' skill players; desperation start debate between Bill and Burchard Smith (53:35–54:44).

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5. Quotes & Banter Highlights

• “If you don't have a quarterback, nothing else matters…you are the worst team in the league.” – Jason (03:53)
• “It reminds me a little like the Patriots, but lighter, where you're going to have plenty of good games…but you can absolutely disappear.” – Bill (05:57)
• “Litmus (litness!) test” segment about language, chemistry, and the Cowboys offense. – (36:56–37:47)
• “He is not the best running back on the planet. Silky smooth.” – Bill on Vidal (05:57)
• “My whole life rests on the Dak–CeeDee stack.” – Bill (38:28)
• “Metcalf is a placeholder for me...just making sure that Lamar is going to play.” – Mike (16:38)
• “Cluck...you’re a chicken. I'm not only a chicken, I'm a very specific chicken.” – Mike (56:56–57:02, Wheel of Shame)

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6. Fantasy Face Off & Wheel of Shame (55:59–61:20)

• The weekly DraftKings-style challenge:
  • Penalty for last place: spin the Wheel of Shame—Mike wears a suffocating chicken mask (“cluck”).
• Each host reveals player prop picks; mix of playful ridicule and competitive energy.
• Example picks:
  • “Andy Dalton more than 32.5 passing attempts.” – Jason (57:37)
  • “Jordan Love more than 12.5 rushing yards.” – Bill (57:55)
  • “Javonte Williams, 18.5 rushing yards in first five attempts—less.” – Mike (59:24)

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7. Listener Poll Results

• Rest-of-season WR preference: 64.8% DK Metcalf vs 35.2% Zay Flowers (42:31, 20:31, and 18:28)

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8. Engaging Moments

• Self-deprecation and candid adjustment on picks when new injury news breaks
• Sustained skepticism about oddsmaker lines, especially Houston/SF and NO/TB lines ("What do they know?!")
• Running inside jokes: Jason’s “on drugs” routine, the “litness test,” the wheel of shame.

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Key Takeaways for Fantasy Managers

• Expect Weekly Volatility: Several high-powered passing offenses (e.g., Chargers) have become unpredictable re: which WR/TE will hit.
• Monitoring Injuries is Crucial: Key skill players’ and QBs' status swing start/sit values and even betting lines.
• Ride Your Studs: Emerging or returning stars like Zay Flowers, DeAndre Swift, and CeeDee Lamb stay in lineups—don’t overthink.
• Trust the Process, But Stay Nimble: Even the pros strike out and laugh about it; adjust as new info becomes available.
• Vegas Lines Are Their Own Kind of Analysis: Question lines as needed—but don’t ignore the implied message for fantasy projections.

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Timestamps by Segment

• 00:00–03:00 – Show open, host banter, previous bad picks
• 03:00–07:00 – Thursday game recap, Chargers offense, WR/TE volatility
• 08:35–13:30 – Injury news, Week 8 lines, waiver strategy
• 14:29–25:26 – Matchup previews: Bears–Ravens, 49ers–Texans, Bucs–Saints
• 33:26–38:45 – Broncos–Cowboys: High-scoring test and “litness” banter
• 38:55–43:43 – Colts–Titans: Best/worst dichotomy
• 43:43–47:29 – Packers–Steelers: Rodgers revenge, Jordan Love upside
• 48:25–55:21 – Commanders–Chiefs, ROS debates, start/sit dilemmas
• 55:59–61:20 – Fantasy Face Off & Wheel of Shame

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Closing:

The episode mixes sharp analysis with comedy and humility, making it a must-listen for fantasy managers craving actionable advice and entertainment. The trio’s honest misses, timely news, and willingness to debate tough start/sit questions define their approach—and keep listeners informed and laughing.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

The Fantasy footballer studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, welcome in.

[Jason Moore]

And that's about. That fits.

[Mike Wright]

Hey. Hey.

[Jason Moore]

But you ever. You ever wondered if they did not Skull. You ever wondered like sometimes you walk by somebody on the street and you're like, oh, that guy might be on drugs. You ever wondered if you were on drugs? Sometimes, like maybe I. Maybe like yesterday. Yeah, during the show. I was. Maybe I was on drugs. Maybe I was on a bunch of drugs.

[Bill]

Is this because.

[Jason Moore]

And bad ones.

[Bill]

You're almost upset.

[Jason Moore]

It's all of it. It's three things. I mean, it was just an off day. Like we've had. Everyone's had an off day before.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, the Vikings had one.

[Jason Moore]

Oh my God.

[Bill]

Yeah, the Vikings. Woof.

[Mike Wright]

Carson Wentz.

[Jason Moore]

Carson.

[Mike Wright]

Sweet fancy Moses. What in the world was that?

[Jason Moore]

I think he might have been in incredible agony.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah, he definitely was.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you know, do some people play it up? I think maybe he was really on the precipice.

[Mike Wright]

He wasn't Matt Jones.

[Bill]

And why were they keeping him in that ball game?

[Jason Moore]

Punishment.

[Bill]

Punishment for playing so bad. You're going to go. Go hurt yourself some more. You deserve it.

[Jason Moore]

I thought, I mean, I'll just come out and just quickly as we cover the whole game. I mean, I didn't think Vidal would have a good game. You did persuade me later in the show on some start sits that he would be better, but I didn't think he'd have a good game. He had a great game. I must have been on drugs to think Jordan Mason would have a good game. Jordan Mason was maybe the worst player in the game.

[Bill]

Carson Wentz.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Refuses to let go.

[Jason Moore]

Jordan Mason had four carries for 3 yards. I am sorry. I think I was on drugs. And then. No, we're not done.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I mean then I thought they might win the game. I thought the Vikings were the almost upset. So there's. I mean, other than saying or on day Gadson a bunch of times yesterday on the show, I feel like I just completely missed on this.

[Bill]

It's okay. Let me ask you this. This morning, are you on drugs?

[Jason Moore]

We'll see.

[Bill]

What I say today because I'm just hopeful that you're, you know, having a nice, good, sober morning.

[Jason Moore]

I'm hoping too, based on the welcome in.

[Bill]

I'm not sure that's fair. That's fair. It was a pretty rough welcome. But hey, Justin Herbert, he looked great, was doing anything he wanted, threw a bunch of touchdowns, even One to my boy, Trey Harris. But stop using so many weapons. There's too many guys now.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the big other storyline was on a team that scored 37 points, dominated throughout, where your quarterback threw three touchdowns and completed a high percentage of his passes.

[Mike Wright]

And their number one guy through the first month of the season had no target. He must have had a great game.

[Jason Moore]

No targets for huge.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Which by the way, on my chopped team. So that's a great start to the old.

[Bill]

You got Bowers.

[Jason Moore]

No, but if I had. Oh, my gosh. The curse would have felt.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Bowers will.

[Jason Moore]

Here's the problem is yesterday on the show, you said this. I mean, Minnesota, they didn't show up. Right. They're a. Minnesota is the best example of if you don't have a quarterback, nothing else matters because they have a great defense, they have a great head.

[Bill]

Coach, they've got good weapons.

[Jason Moore]

They have weapons, but if you don't have a quarterback, if you don't have a quarterback, you are the worst team in the league. I mean, it's just. Yes, their offensive line is banged up, but they couldn't have looked more inept and the Chargers couldn't have looked better. And yet, you know, we're here. And Quentin Johnson had no targets and no catches. First time in his career. No targets. You know, you said on the show somebody was going to end up drawing the short straw. And McConkey had the good game, by the way, on his touchdown pass. I don't know if you saw it. Harbaugh came out and said they had double covered or on day Gadsden on The play that McConkey had the touchdown, so already getting the respect. But Gadsden had five for 77 and a touchdown in the first half and took the second half off.

[Bill]

Oh, then the defense was like, we should guard that guy more. He's. He's going to be legit now. A lot of people out there probably freaking out about the huge issue, like what happened. So now he's done. It's not he's done. It's someone will be left out. Every single week, you will have games where Keenan Allen will be left out.

[Mike Wright]

Games where kind of left out, where.

[Bill]

Lad is left out. And you're going to need to start these guys like I will start Quentin Johnson next week.

[Jason Moore]

The beginning of the year, who was the guy that no one could count on for the Chargers at wide receiver?

[Bill]

Ladd.

[Jason Moore]

Ladd. Yeah, right. He was at the bottom of the totem pole. And then after a few games, who was the guy that no one can count on. It was Keenan Allen. Mike was like, oh, my gosh, show me something.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And here we are now with Oronde Gadson breaking out. I mean, that is really the headline there is. This is a player that, you know, has been on our waiver show for a couple of weeks. The big fab spin for a lot of people they didn't already have them was last week and dominant. I mean, really, historically speaking, one of the best starts to a career at tight end that you've ever seen.

[Mike Wright]

Sure. Yeah. It's.

[Jason Moore]

Will it continue? Is he.

[Mike Wright]

It's very exciting.

[Jason Moore]

Is he going to also. I mean, he'll probably work into the rotation of guys that will have a bad game.

[Bill]

100%. Every single. No one is going to have complete consistency for this team going forward. It reminds me a little like the Patriots feel a little bit like this, but lighter, where you're going to have plenty of good games. If you want them, you got to start them, but you're, You're. You can absolutely disappear. So it's scary going forward, but they've got a great offense and the passing weapons really open it up for, you know, Vidal Sassoon. He's not the best running back on the planet. Silky smooth. I mean, he's looking really good for this offense.

[Jason Moore]

And I got. I was scared at the beginning of that game because Jarrett Patterson had like three touches and Vidal had like two. And then. And then it was all Vidal and he was Vidal. And the running of Herbert yesterday, 7 for 62.

[Mike Wright]

Vidal just. Everything is solid. Like, I mean, a couple great pass block pickups. I mean, he just. That was like. That was kind of the argument for Vidal was after his first huge game was he does. He's not making mistakes, he's doing what they want him to do. And then he's got some juice that should a big play opportunity show up, he can take advantage of it, you know.

[Jason Moore]

The leading rusher for Minnesota was Xavier.

[Mike Wright]

Scott at the end of the 2 for 16. Yeah, I'm 2 for 16.

[Jason Moore]

Is your leading rusher 5 for 15 for Aaron Jones, 4 for 3 for Jordan Mason.

[Mike Wright]

I'm pretty sure that in about quarter four of that game, J.J. mcCarthy's ankle magically healed.

[Jason Moore]

If I say something like so yesterday again, I want you guys to put me in rehab or something.

[Mike Wright]

Well, here's the thing.

[Bill]

The thing is, is half the time when you bring up your almost upset, you sound insane, and then it comes to fruition. The truth is you don't know the future.

[Jason Moore]

So no I don't.

[Bill]

And that's okay.

[Jason Moore]

And it is Friday.

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

Okay. Thank you, Mike.

[Bill]

That was well done.

[Mike Wright]

You just, I mean, this is my people.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Muorden had.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for supporting the show. JoinTheFoot.com we'll send you that gift card. Let's talk some news.

[Andy Holloway]

News and notes from around the league presented by Progressive Insurance.

[Jason Moore]

I think this was a little, you know, cherry on top for me too, was seeing this news that Amari and Hampton is still in a walking boot following the Thursday win against the Vikings. The injury happened in week five. I've seen some medical experts saying that because of this, the fact that he's still in a walking boot, it's in their minds it was a fracture of some sort.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, seems bad.

[Jason Moore]

It's even if it's non surgical. So the timeline on Amarian Hampton, according to the people I was reading, they were talking like week 13.

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, when you come out pretty early and say when you're, when you're put on ir, everyone just goes, okay, well, so he misses four games. Obviously it's minimum. It's. Yeah, that's, that's the minimum. And when they came out right away, minimum and said this is going to be longer than four weeks, that's usually not. That doesn't mean five. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, well, shoot, we're going to miss an extra game. This is a serious injury.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's. And it's really unfortunate because he was well on his way to a big year and we'll see when he comes back. No practice again for AJ Brown on Thursday with the hamstring now you worry, Jason.

[Bill]

Yeah, I mean, the further in the week you get when a guy's not practicing with a hamstring issue, the more worried you get for sure. I mean, this is great news for me personally as I traded him away and then I have Devontae Smith.

[Mike Wright]

So we have coach Sirianni declining to give a status update on AJ Brown's availability for Sunday.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Ominous.

[Jason Moore]

To Rod Taylor, remain limited. Breeze hall, remain limited. Garrett Wilson has been ruled out. So the hopes of him returning this week to help to Rod Taylor are gone. Mason Taylor was added to the injury report with a quad injury. It was the DMP and size. Gardner was ruled out.

[Mike Wright]

The jets, goodness gracious, they're beat up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Jalen Waddle was listed as a DMP on Thursday due to ham strings. Ham strings, plural.

[Bill]

He's got two of them.

[Jason Moore]

The thing is, that's the maximum you can actually hurt.

[Bill]

You can only hurt both. The issue is, I believe you could put all body parts down for Jalen Waddle. He is hurt at all times, but he usually plays through it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Dalton Kincaid remained limited. Oblique injury listed as questionable. Michael Pennix Jr. Limited. Darnell Mooney, limited. David Najoku, limited. Lamar Jackson remained limited on Thursday with just one hamstring. Injured.

[Mike Wright]

Limited.

[Jason Moore]

It does. I mean, I, I, I don't know.

[Bill]

It looks like Lamar Jackson, it seems like he's going.

[Mike Wright]

He was seen at practice again.

[Bill]

Yeah, I mean, he's been a limited participant, but it's limited participant three days in a row. He's basically been practicing all week. The Vegas lines certainly seem like Lamar is going to be playing, which is just great for football.

[Jason Moore]

Anything else in the news category you guys want to cover? We have, you know, I mean, DJ.

[Mike Wright]

Moore and DeAndre Swift for the Bears. They were upgraded to a limited practice Thursday.

[Jason Moore]

How about the full practices of Terry McLaurin and Debo Samuel?

[Mike Wright]

That. There we go. Okay, let's get some good news going.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I've been really struggling with whether Mariota can be played or not. And I, I decided this morning the answer was still no. I mean, in Arrowhead, it's just such a tough match.

[Mike Wright]

It is very tough.

[Jason Moore]

The short drives, the turnovers are going to be there. If, like, Mariota came in in relief last week was 4 for 10 with a pick. I feel like you're. Yes, you could get an okay game because of rushing yardage for sure, but even with those weapons, it's not like I would have been excited, you know, going into Arrowhead to begin with. And I just think that the, I think that the floor is real bad.

[Bill]

Oh, I agree.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's the real big worry is you could have a fumble and two picks and, you know, throw no intercept or no touchdowns, and there is, it freaks me out, man.

[Mike Wright]

There is optimism that Jaden Daniels will only miss this week. Oh, that's with the hamstring injury.

[Jason Moore]

So that is good.

[Mike Wright]

That's good news moving forward. And I think this is important information, especially this week. Josh Downs of the Colts was upgraded to a full practice. He had the concussion last week, so, I mean, if you're Full practice on Thursday.

[Bill]

Yeah, he's going to play.

[Mike Wright]

It certainly sounds like you're going to play. Which could throw a wrench into the.

[Bill]

Are you.

[Mike Wright]

Do you want to start Josh Downs? Do you want to start Alec Pierce? Those kind of them nasty types.

[Jason Moore]

Yep, for sure. Which would you.

[Mike Wright]

Which would you play between the two of them?

[Jason Moore]

Because I think I'd still be on Pierce.

[Mike Wright]

I think I'm. Yeah, I think I'm still going to go Pierce.

[Jason Moore]

All right. That was today's news and notes sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. Let's jump into the forecast.

[Mike Wright]

Foreign.

[Andy Holloway]

Presented by prize picks.

[Jason Moore]

Yesterday we covered the Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Bengals. Oh, thank goodness we covered that jets game already. Browns, Patriots, Giants, Eagles.

[Mike Wright]

Can do it again if you.

[Jason Moore]

No, no. Only if I eat something poisonous, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

I need to get it up. The Bills, Panthers, we also covered that yesterday.

[Mike Wright]

2.

[Jason Moore]

That's as in throwing. Throwing up.

[Bill]

Regurgitation.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

For goodness sakes. That's the most you've paid attention back there in a long time.

[Mike Wright]

Bunch of children regurgitate.

[Jason Moore]

It's a. It's a vomiting joke.

[Bill]

Yeah, totally.

[Jason Moore]

Sheesh. The Chicago Bears four and two. The Baltimore Ravens. It's still hard to read it. One in five Vegas line. Baltimore minus six and a half. The over under is 49 and a half. We'll have Lamar back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And you know, this is. This is still a game that I think will be really interesting. Wait, I'm surprised. Are you surprised? It's that much.

[Mike Wright]

It's Baltimore. Almost a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I know. It jumps off the page for me.

[Bill]

With or without drugs, this is a team that has to win, that has Lamar Jackson back. That is coming off of a buy at home. I think the expectation here is that they're going to no mess around.

[Jason Moore]

It's also a form of not really endorsing the Bears 4 and 2 record.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there is.

[Jason Moore]

I think that's a little disrespectful for that record.

[Mike Wright]

A lot of subtle things with that line.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you'll get Lamar back. You should get your offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley back. You're going to get Kyle Hamilton back. Roquan Smith. It does. Like this is Baltimore's time to get it going. So kind of make or break, you go one and six. I mean we're talking about a wild challenge to get back into the picture.

[Mike Wright]

So I mean this is fantastic news of people had been asking what do you do with The Baltimore Ravens, you know, Henry, who the week before the buy kind of got it going again, but it was just. Hold on. Lamar will be back soon and this is a fantastic matchup for it. Lamar would go right back into my lineup. Derek Henry. While it has not been a King Henry situation, this. It will be back. It's a good matchup. 20th against the run. That's what the Bears defense is. And Zay Flowers would go right back into my lineup as well.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Is he going right into your lineup?

[Mike Wright]

He is he the it. DK is. DK Metcalf is kind of been a placeholder for me this week, just making sure that Lamar is going to play.

[Jason Moore]

But did you just say DK Metcalf is a placeholder?

[Mike Wright]

That is right.

[Bill]

That's what he said for Zay Flowers.

[Jason Moore]

That is not. I don't think that that is a universal.

[Mike Wright]

Well, my team's very good.

[Jason Moore]

No, I know, but like, moving Zay Flowers into a default position ahead of DK Metcalf is very interesting, I think. Oh, he's like. I would say that most people in a trade would take DK Metcalf in that trade.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, go ahead then. Go trade DK Metcalf for Zay Flowers.

[Jason Moore]

You're that much higher on Zay Flowers. No, I just, I didn't Metcalf have like three straight top 10 weeks before the disappointing week last week?

[Mike Wright]

Yes. But he is, he has been very volatile.

[Jason Moore]

I feel like that's the definition of Zay Flowers career. Not to. I don't want to over push back because I'm on drugs. But like, Zay Flowers this year has one good game.

[Bill]

Well, they, I mean, the Baltimore Ravens have had no good games because they've lost Lamar Jackson. So I, I do forgive that. I mean, you could kind of say it was two good games for Derek Henry. Derek Henry. This is like your last chance to be able to maybe trade for him. The fact that he's past a bye week helps me push harder for a trade. He's going to score a lot when they win, and I think they're going to be winning a lot down the stretch.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. By the way, we've said for weeks, trade for Zay Flowers while Lamar is hurt. And I'm all in on that. I guess I just was surprised at how clear that was for you.

[Bill]

Metcalfe has been pretty solid. I mean, you know, if you're talking scoring at least 10 fantasy points, he's done it almost every single week this year.

[Mike Wright]

Jay Flowers has he had the blow up week one, week two was 11 points, and then week three was a dud for sure.

[Jason Moore]

And that was with Lamar.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I know, but then the next, I mean, Kansas City 7 for 74, Houston 5 for 72.

[Jason Moore]

Throw that poll up Falcon right now. Who'd you rather have rest of season between those two? I want to see what the results are, by the way.

[Mike Wright]

That'd be interesting.

[Jason Moore]

It'd be fun. But both are. I mean, to me, both are good plays. I think DK is as well, but we'll see what happens with the tight ends. I think you're kind of monitoring, right? You're not maybe throwing. Would you put Mark Andrews right back out there?

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, you can start him. He's a touchdown machine. Had his career high in touchdowns last year. And with Lamar back, there's always a chance of that. So I think if I started one right now, it would be Mark Andrews. If I don't have to start them, like, you know, if I'm grabbing kind of a wait and see, it would actually be Isaiah likely that I would rather roster if I'm not starting. Because we know what Mark Andrews is. He. He is a guy who can go out and get a touchdown, and so that will be fine for your fantasy week. But if he doesn't get a touchdown, you're very disappointed. There's a chance that Isaiah likely can develop into an actual possession receiver who's, you know, 75 plus yards on the regular. He was supposed to be a key part of this offense coming into the season. He got injured early, and then as soon as he got back, Lamar got injured. So this will be like our first game to just get eyes on it.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I've been really. Yeah.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

We'll have to see. You're right. You're right. Right now, 51 votes in. It's two thirds, Mike. It's two thirds on the DK. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll have a lot more votes in a second. DeAndre Swift. Roma Dunes a Jason start of the week. Swift has been getting it done. You can't bench that. And we know how the Ravens defense has struggled. Yeah, Luther Burden, there was some hope, but he hasn't hit 30% snaps in a game. He is not. He's just not it right now. I think I was. I had made a trade offer for him, but it was predicated on the DJ Moore hospital groin situation. That was the real. What made me go and make that move is like, is there more snaps coming for Luther Burden? And now it's you know you got another weapon in Colston. Loveland.

[Mike Wright]

I think Loveland is a good stash.

[Jason Moore]

Would you rather stash likely or Loveland?

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man, I think I'd go, ooh.

[Jason Moore]

I'm on the Loveland.

[Mike Wright]

I'm on the Loveland side.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. 228 votes in 68% DK Metcalf, 32% Zay Flowers. Caleb Williams. What are you doing with him this week? It's a bye week for a lot of.

[Bill]

Yeah, you can play. Is a fine. Is a fine start. He had a very down fantasy game last week. He's only thrown two touchdowns his last three games. But they've been winning, and they've been winning via running the ball. They've been up a lot in some of these easier games. This is a matchup where, you know, look, if they're six and a half point underdogs on the road in Baltimore, Baltimore's defense, they might be getting healthier, but they aren't healthy by any means. So, yeah, this. This could turn into a shootout.

[Jason Moore]

The San Francisco 49ers at 5 and 2 take on the Houston Texans, who are 2 and 4. Houston's at home. I believe we kind of reacted to the line here. Maybe you and I did in the office, Jay.

[Bill]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

But Houston is favored by a point and a half at home in this game, which, you know, you might be getting Brock Purdy back.

[Bill]

What do they know?

[Jason Moore]

That's. That's a hundred.

[Bill]

What do they know?

[Jason Moore]

100%. My question, your secrets. George Kittle is back. Purdy could be back. I had that exact thought. What does Vegas know that we don't know? I mean, Nico and I also know for the fact the betting on the 49ers is like. It's like 70% of all bets for them to win the game. So it's like, what is going on?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Nico Collins, Christian Kirk still not practicing. I can't imagine that they play. And you, man, you think the Texans are going to beat the 49ers without Nico?

[Jason Moore]

Well, I think, Nico, we can leave that up in the air for the. The Friday practice. Right. Because we did this routine with Marvin Harrison a week ago where Harrison didn't practice. Practice on Friday, quickly got cleared and played on Sunday. I would be amazed that Houston would be a point and a half favorite in a game where they presume he's out.

[Mike Wright]

Nico Collins and Christian Kirk are practicing today. That is a tweet from today.

[Bill]

Okay. If he's not practicing today.

[Mike Wright]

So that would be Friday's practice.

[Bill]

Yeah, he Won't clear concussion protocol. You have to be progressing. You have to be progressing through it. So.

[Jason Moore]

So why are they one and a half point favorite?

[Bill]

I don't know. That's. What do they know? What is.

[Mike Wright]

This is a mystery.

[Jason Moore]

Is this something where we're going to find out that both Brock Purdy and Mac Jones are out? Maybe that's the kind of thing I'm wondering about. It's like, are both quarterbacks just out of this game? Is Christian McCaffrey lost in a jungle somewhere?

[Bill]

Yeah, it's. It's wild.

[Jason Moore]

What are we missing?

[Bill]

I don't know, man. The Houston Texans have been trash. They're not good enough to score now.

[Jason Moore]

The over under is just 41 and a half. So they're presuming this is a decent. They're still saying Houston's not going to score very many points because it's 21 and a half. Implied defensive battle.

[Bill]

Houston is at home and their defense is legit. If you've got a banged up 49ers offense, maybe that's, you know, how you see it playing out. But it's really tough for me to see pieces on this offense that I want. I don't want to play Woody Marks. Obviously not playing Nick Chubb.

[Jason Moore]

Let's.

[Bill]

I don't even want, like, okay, Nick.

[Jason Moore]

Chubb hit a waiver wire in our league.

[Bill]

Let's say Nico is.

[Jason Moore]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

[Bill]

Let's say Nico and Christian Kirk are not active. I don't even think I want to take a shot at like, obviously someone's going to catch the ball there. If I had to, I'd. I'd go Jalen Noel as my first.

[Jason Moore]

Attempt, but I don't even know if that makes sense.

[Bill]

No, I don't.

[Jason Moore]

It could be nobody. Slash Higgins. Slash Schultz.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Woody Marks is in this week with all what is six teams on by. Woody Marks is in play for me. He took over. He was 63% of the snaps. Fifteen opportunities, five targets.

[Jason Moore]

He's done this before. And then they win a game and he is not on the field. If they're leading a game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I can.

[Jason Moore]

And he was 10 for 15 on the ground. So taking over meant.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I just mean taking over the opportunity.

[Jason Moore]

I know, I know. I mean, I.

[Mike Wright]

After the Bible, I'm confused by this one. I believe I'm more biased.

[Jason Moore]

By the way, Brock Purdy's unlikely to play on Sunday, according to a new report. So Jones would start again. And this, this does. Like, George Kittle did nothing Last week he unlocked the running.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, he did a lot.

[Jason Moore]

He unlocked the running game.

[Mike Wright]

He didn't do anything for the fantasy team.

[Jason Moore]

Right. Which is kind of what people are paying attention to.

[Mike Wright]

He did it for your Christian McCaffrey fans.

[Jason Moore]

For yours. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Well, there's many of us out there and we love.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know how many people have both that are just like, I'm cool with zero. The Texans are amazing against the tight end position, Mac Jones. You know, Jason, you're waiting for Brock Purdy to unlock George Kittle in the passing game. It does throw a little bit of. I mean, low. They're projected to lose. You know, you got a heck of a pass rush in Houston that you're going to need him in to block. It puts him into more of a sketchy category than I thought he'd be at at this point in the week.

[Bill]

It certainly adds fear to the start. But you're starting him. I mean, he's too good of a player with the ability to go out there and be the number one tight end on the week anytime he's on the field. So bench at that position.

[Jason Moore]

Obviously he's been in people's ir. So they've had alternate options throughout the year. I mean, start to decisions with like Dalton Kincaid or Kyle Pitts or, you know, those type of categories.

[Bill]

Those wouldn't be, to me, the only one that I think you might have picked up early in the off season or, you know, week one waivers. Jake Ferguson is Jake Ferguson where I go. Okay, okay. Maybe I want to just keep rolling with that Dallas offense and wait and see on Kittle. Outside of that, I'm starting Kittle, but fearfully because we saw this, you know, last year with Jacksonville when Mac Jones was the quarterback. And also we. Maybe Mac Jones is a good quarterback and better than Trevor Lawrence.

[Mike Wright]

Look, whoa.

[Bill]

Trevor Lawrence stinks. Trevor Lawrence is not a good quarterback. And when Mac Jones came in last year in replacement, all of a sudden Brian Thomas Jr. Went crazy. And we were like, oh, well, if the backup can do it, you know, then. Then obviously when Trevor Lawrence comes back, he's. He's going to be even better. But it's like, maybe Mac Jones is better than Trevor Lawrence.

[Mike Wright]

Well, he was good for Brian Thomas.

[Bill]

He didn't really unlock that.

[Jason Moore]

He was Winston. He was James Winston for Brian Thomas.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, maybe some of this game line this week has to do with the fact that Mac Jones the last two weeks hasn't thrown a touchdown pass. Right. Like that seems important to functioning as an Offense. I mean, Christian McCaffrey hogging it all last week. Yeah, yeah, they had, they had lost the week before.152 and 0 last week for Mac Jones.

[Bill]

I said all that to just remind us that when he played for the Jacksonville Jaguars last year, he hyper targeted his one guy. You know, he was just zoned in on one guy and that's what he did basically every play. So that does make it fearful. If George Kittle isn't that, you know, first read for him, who is it, by the way?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because he had to start Kendrick Bourne for two weeks and then Bourne had two targets and Juwan Jennings was up to seven. So I don't know that that'll be the case.

[Jason Moore]

You'd play if you had to play a wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

If I had to play one wide receiver from San Francisco would be Juwan.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, let's take a break and we'll get into more matchups. All right. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers at five and two take on the one in six New Orleans Saints. Boy, they try hard every week. Tampa Bay minus four and a half on the road.

[Mike Wright]

Don't patronize the Saints.

[Jason Moore]

I don't know, man, they're just kind of like. They're like the kid on the team that's just giving it his all. Like you can't.

[Bill]

I mean, you know, you're not mad at him.

[Jason Moore]

Sucks. Yeah, but he's trying, man.

[Bill]

He's trying hard.

[Jason Moore]

He stays at practice running full speed.

[Bill]

Everywhere, everywhere he goes. Running, running as fast as he can.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, when it's time to sub.

[Bill]

In and out of the game. Oh yeah, he's even doing that fast.

[Jason Moore]

He's hustling. The Buccaneers are four and a half point road favorites against the Saints. Does that surprise you at all? The overrunners 46 and a half. Well, I guess, I mean that they're not heavier favorites.

[Bill]

Oh, okay, sure.

[Jason Moore]

That is 100% what I meant. I mean, you're five and two.

[Mike Wright]

Oh man.

[Jason Moore]

It's a divisional game where you are playing one of the worst teams in football.

[Mike Wright]

But four and a half, four and a half road favorites is pretty strong.

[Bill]

Yeah. Divisional. And you're, you're missing Mike Evans, you're missing Bucky Irving. You know, you're, you're, you're banged up.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So no Bucky, no Godwin, no. Evans is going to be a buka and a lot of Abuka and now another week removed from the injury. Hopefully didn't re aggravate. We haven't heard anything that he did and he got 12 targets last week. And then I think Tez Johnson comes into play as a very interesting start this week. The running game has not been what it was with Buck Irving or anything close to it. Right. I mean, Rashad White's getting the work. Sean Tucker worked in here and there. But is this a get right game for Baker? I mean, it feels like it should be.

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, it could be. It's. It's scary without the weapons. But Baker has been good. He's good against the Saints and Kate Otten will, will get it done. I think that's a good outlet for him. The matchup is not too difficult for him. So, yeah, I think this could be get right for Baker.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, they, they haven't. The funny thing is, is like Evans came back, but they haven't had Evans and they really haven't had Godwin. So, like it's been the same situation that Baker's been cooking in for the majority of the year. It's just the new newfound Tez Johnson. Does he get more work, more snaps, more opportunities where we can isolate? You know, it's not Cameron Johnson, Tez Johnson, Sterling Shepard, Kate Odd. And maybe you get one more guy getting more work. I don't know.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Kate Otten you're okay with though, right?

[Bill]

Mr.

[Jason Moore]

Necessary.

[Bill]

Mr. Necessary. Right now he's just going to be that outlet.

[Jason Moore]

Rashad white against the 22nd ranked rushing defense.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

But schedule adjusted. The Saints are better against the run than we might think they are in fantasy points given up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's just the. I mean, he is who he is. It's disgusting. It didn't work last week. But he will get all the work. What is all this talk about Sean Tucker, Tampa Bay?

[Bill]

Yeah. Wanting to get him more involved.

[Mike Wright]

We got, we got three starters. You got your.

[Jason Moore]

No, you don't.

[Mike Wright]

He's not getting on the field.

[Jason Moore]

No, let him play. No, he doesn't play. He had two opportunities last week. If he's not going to play when Bucky Irving is out, that's what I mean, he's not going to play ever is. Unless this game's getting salted away. Now, you know when you look at the Buccaneers defense and you look at it in schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed, they have been pretty bad. And maybe, you know, that's why that line's only four and a half. When you're a five and two team, they're 22nd against quarterbacks, 26 against whiteouts. Olave is my start of the week because they've been softer against wide receivers. Giving up 29.2 fantasy points a game.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

They got one main guy.

[Bill]

It's Crystal Ave. And Juwan Johnson is Mike start of the week. This is a. This is a.

[Jason Moore]

No, no.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Remember, he changed yesterday.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

It's odd.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

Joanne Johnson was hurt.

[Mike Wright]

Someone listens to me.

[Jason Moore]

Joanne Johnson was in a red jersey and we're not talking about him anymore.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Bill]

Fantastic. Well, then good. More targets for Chris Olave and Alvin Camara.

[Jason Moore]

Right? I mean, Alvin Camara should. Should get more targets in this game if Juwan's limited pay some hell. They're messing with you.

[Mike Wright]

Camara feels.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Give me the scary. Give me the temperature check on Camara. Right now, he is the running back, 29 on the season. I would say that that falls in the highly disappointing category for a guy that finished as RB 12 and 14 the past two years.

[Bill]

Yeah, for sure. The sad thing is with Taysom Hill back, you're going to have a couple touchdowns vultured. You know, Alvin Camara doesn't have massive touchdown upside because the Saints and Spencer Rattler don't project to score a ton of points. So when they get down there, if you have like four touchdowns vultured over the course of the season, that's probably half of what he might have hoped for.

[Jason Moore]

Saints have one more implied point total or implied. Yeah. Total this week than the 49ers.

[Bill]

What do they know?

[Jason Moore]

What do they know? The plane getting rerouted somewhere else.

[Mike Wright]

Seriously, what is happening?

[Jason Moore]

I just. I. It's wild. Dallas 3, 3 and 1 taken on the 5 and 2 Denver Broncos who pulled a victory out of the jaws of defeat last week in an amazing fashion, where if you. If you logged out at the end of the third thinking you didn't have any fantasy production from Bo Nicks and the Broncos were doomed, you woke up to a surprise. Denver minus three and a half with a beautiful 50.5 over under.

[Mike Wright]

There we go. Yeah, here we go.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, it is the fourth highest. Wait a second. Wow. The Dallas games, man, their games, they're juicy. Their games average 61.1 points per game. When you are in a Dallas football matchup, there's an average of 61.1 points, which 50 and a half seems mighty low compared to the average this year.

[Bill]

Now, yeah, Denver Broncos represent a much better defense than what Dallas has been playing lately. So the question is, can this offense that has been on field, can they keep doing that against Denver in Denver? And so because we know that the Cowboys defense can do what they're supposed to do, which Is let the other team score at will.

[Jason Moore]

That's the fourth highest total of any team since Y2K. That's what. That's what Borg put in here because he. I don't know. He wanted us to explain what Y2K is to Falcon.

[Mike Wright]

It's the. It was the year 2000, just so you know.

[Jason Moore]

I think he was alive then.

[Mike Wright]

Were you alive then?

[Bill]

Pewter crisis. I was around that did not.

[Jason Moore]

How old were you?

[Bill]

Happen?

[Jason Moore]

Four. Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Baby Jake was not.

[Jason Moore]

I think he was being born.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. We're old. All right. Dallas is one or. Denver's won four straight games. You're playing Bonix this week, Mike. Is that your starter? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think so. You play. You play start starts of the week. Team of the week.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Denver with Bonix Dobbins.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Jason Moore]

Sutton. Yep. You can shoot your shot on a Mims or a Franklin. You can play RJ Harvey with. Hope that something happens.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, are you playing Tajie Spears or RJ Harvey?

[Mike Wright]

If.

[Bill]

If that was the question, it would be Harvey.

[Jason Moore]

It's a question for lots of people.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Bye week.

[Bill]

This week I would like Harvey over Taj Spears.

[Jason Moore]

I think the manang guy or RJ Harvey. Harvey. Okay. So he's startable in some situations. Yeah, people are. People are fighting for running backs. You know, there are players like Kareem Hunt that were on rosters that you had and he's gone.

[Bill]

Yeah, that was the. That was the name. I was.

[Mike Wright]

I would play Woody.

[Jason Moore]

I'd play Harvey.

[Mike Wright]

Here's a snake in my boot.

[Bill]

I think you have, I think processes. You have to go Woody. They're favored.

[Jason Moore]

You have to, man.

[Bill]

Yeah, I'm going to go Woody there.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Interesting. Woody Marks probably should have been in the. In the group of, you know, Tootin and Caleb and Travion and some of these guys. Harvey was one of them. Where it's like some of these second half rookies have opportunities. Chubb hit the waiver wire, didn't get picked up today in our league of record, it's kind of over for Nick Chubb, I think.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So we know we like the Broncos and we like the Cowboys, we like CD we like George, we like Jake and we like Dak and we like Javante. It's. Are they the easiest team to.

[Bill]

Yeah, you just play everybody every week and it stinks because, you know, like for wide receivers, this is one of the most difficult matchups possible. So this is like a litmus test. We're going to. We're going to find out if the Cowboys, because they've got a bad strength of schedule the rest of the year, they're actually one of the most difficult matchups for quarterbacks and for wide receivers. I don't know that that matters. I think they might just be good enough that they will overcome good defenses. But we're going to find out.

[Mike Wright]

What kind of test was that, Jay?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, what kind was that?

[Bill]

I hate that word because.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. What kind of a test was it, though?

[Bill]

It was a lit must.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it was. Which.

[Bill]

The word is litmus.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. It's like a lit Christmas.

[Bill]

Yeah. Oh, nice.

[Jason Moore]

Is that gonna help?

[Mike Wright]

I don't know.

[Bill]

But it is an M, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yes, it is.

[Bill]

Okay. Cause oftentimes I think it's litness.

[Mike Wright]

I will say, I feel like I've heard you say that a few times.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And then when I hear you, I'm like, do I have it wrong? But just.

[Bill]

I have said the word litness at least 200 times in my life. At least. And I've said the word litness at least 10 times on this show.

[Jason Moore]

This is a good conversation because it'll let me pull up the points for game ranks for all of Dallas.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Dak is talking about Litmus.

[Jason Moore]

Dak is third, Javante is fifth. Pickens is fourth. Ferguson is number one. And that doesn't count CD Lane. Yeah, he's still working on it, so that's a fun game.

[Bill]

Hopefully. Hopefully. I mean, I will be in shambles if it turns out that a really good defense, which the Broncos have at home, slows down. If they can really slow down, hinder, you know, shut down the Cowboys, I will be a mess because my entire life rests on the Dax CD stack.

[Jason Moore]

Your whole life, huh?

[Bill]

That's my, my.

[Jason Moore]

And you were saying they have a really rough schedule rest of the way.

[Bill]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

So your life is going to be weekly in the balance.

[Bill]

I. I think it's going to be proven this week. If they. If they go in there and put up 28 points in Denver, I will be fearless.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Tennessee is one in six. They take on the six and one Indianapolis Colts. Colts are 14 and a half point favorites.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

The over under is 47.5.

[Bill]

Take it easy. I took them to cover.

[Jason Moore]

If you, like, take a creative writing class or you have an imagination or you've ever wished you could write a book or a short story or any of those things.

[Bill]

Little novella.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. If you're one of those people, even you can't come up with the creative path for the Tennessee Titans to win this ball game. There's not a. There's not a path.

[Mike Wright]

I'm trying. I'm thinking through it.

[Bill]

Anthony Richardson is on ir. Dang.

[Jason Moore]

Right. If they were to enlist the help of some sort of dragon, okay, maybe they would close the gap.

[Bill]

Gambling scheme. Maybe that's going.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, too soon. Too soon. Chauncey, slow down.

[Bill]

Oh, man, the NBA.

[Jason Moore]

Who would have thought that, like, just legalizing gambling would have any implications on competitive sports?

[Mike Wright]

I was going to earlier when we were talking about Carson Wentz, Pete Rose.

[Jason Moore]

Get into the hall of Fame again.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to make a joke about Wentz pulling a shauncy. It was just like.

[Jason Moore]

But you held off. I know it's now.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, now I get to make that joke because honestly, watching Carson Wentz, it's kind of hard to explain what was happening.

[Bill]

Looked on purpose, looks bad on purpose.

[Jason Moore]

Sometimes you just got to let the chips fall back to the. The Colts, heavy favorites over under 47 and a half, 31 point implied point total. Please play. Please play. You know, Jonathan Taylor. Please play. Michael Pittman. Yeah, please play. Tyler Warren and then Daniel Jones is probably in your lineup this week.

[Bill]

I love this.

[Jason Moore]

And you can shoot your shot at the wide receivers. And I would shoot it with Alec Pierce. He's been really, really good, even with downs active earlier in the year.

[Bill]

I love this chart we have comparing the Colts. Please read this out. And the Tennessee Titans offense, points per game, Colts.

[Jason Moore]

That's tweet worthy, by the way.

[Bill]

First, the Titans, 32nd point differential Colts, first Titans, 32nd yards per play, first 32nd. First downs per game, first 32nd. Red zone drives per game, first 32nd. This is the best versus the worst. That's what we're getting. Which actually scares me for wide receivers in this game. You know, we. Not that the.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, because you don't need to keep up.

[Bill]

Yeah, that's my.

[Jason Moore]

Only on the ground.

[Bill]

If Jonathan Taylor starts the game with two rushing touchdowns, he's going to end the game with eight.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, this is with eight. So this is. Listen to where we're at with Cam Ward and please let me just tell you as a man getting into trading cards, demand on the Cam Ward cards has bottomed out. Four passing touchdowns through seven games. Fewest total fantasy points through the first seven career starts of any quarterback draft in the last. In the first round over the last 20 years. And you know, you can lay some of that at the feet of bad weapons or coaching or offensive line or blah, blah, blah, and then you lay the rest at his feet. I mean it's, it's.

[Bill]

He has looked.

[Jason Moore]

He's looked really, really, really bad every.

[Bill]

Week of his career so far. He's young.

[Mike Wright]

He. I thought he looked better last week.

[Jason Moore]

He did look better last week.

[Bill]

He did look a little bit better last week. But you can look better and still be bad where he's.

[Mike Wright]

I just want to give him the credit.

[Jason Moore]

Tell me the Titans you're playing Okay.

[Bill]

I just did. No, I mean Pollard the joke. Yeah, Pollard is someone that you in a bipoc clips you. You probably start Pollard. I would start him over Woody Marks.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Yeah. And by the way, the, the final results of this poll, Mike, 64.8% of people prefer DK Metcalf rest of season.

[Mike Wright]

Rest of the season.

[Jason Moore]

35% was a. Flowers not to. Not to globalize that to one week and one decision this week, obviously, but yeah, that's about how. I mean, you've had them both. I mean, you've got them both on your roster. You're going to be making that decision week in and week out. Very different types of players. Very, very different archetypes. All right, we are going to take another break. I'm seeing somebody not over there. They want a break to go to the bathroom or something. All right, we're back. Green Bay four one and one taken on the four and two. Pittsburgh Steelers Vegas line. Green Bay on the road minus three. The over under is 45 and a half. And here we go. Aaron Rodgers revenge game at home. Great record. Packers traveling. We were looking at Rogers trying to join the exclusive group of quarterbacks who have beaten all 32 teams. If he wins this.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is that where we are?

[Jason Moore]

Which is Favre, Manning, Breeze and Brady. So there are. There are three quarterbacks sitting at 31. Other than him, Patrick Mahomes hasn't beaten the Chiefs.

[Bill]

Oh, interesting.

[Jason Moore]

Matthew Stafford to come on you be on this list.

[Mike Wright]

You have to go to a different team.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Stafford has missed the Steelers believe it or not. And then Russell Wilson has not beaten the Seahawks and nor will he ever. He will stay at 31. The Pittsburgh defense, not what it used to be. I like Jordan love this week. So much so that he's my start of the week. They'll get Christian Watson back. Most likely not guaranteed at this point.

[Mike Wright]

Probably part time this week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the, I mean the Steelers defense, 27th against quarterbacks, 28th against wideouts, 30th against tight ends. Tucker Kraft, please play him as well. Also a start of the week.

[Bill]

I can't help but, but Think about your drugs yesterday with Jordan Love.

[Jason Moore]

You're concerned that everything I said yesterday was tainted.

[Bill]

Was tainted by the, by the.

[Jason Moore]

By the drugs.

[Bill]

By the drugs.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Bill]

I'm scared of Jordan Love.

[Jason Moore]

It's possible.

[Bill]

I don't really, you know, he, you.

[Jason Moore]

And I have just, we just don't. Jordan Love.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

And he's Jordan like for you or Jordan unlike or something.

[Bill]

Yeah. I thought Jordan like is fine. He's Jordan like and I don't think we disagree on how he's playing. I think Jordan Love is a very good player leading them to good victories but fantasy wise he is, you know, he's not one of those guys that's you expect to put up a ton of yardage on the ground and he hasn't been throwing touchdowns. So this is Josh Jacobs red zone offense and so I just worry more that I mean we haven't seen him much. Right. The consistency score for Jordan Love is really bad. He doesn't, he doesn't help you very much and so sometimes he does. This might be that game. The Steelers defense looked awful last week. On the course of the season they haven't been very good but they are at home in an important revenge game kind of for Aaron Rodgers.

[Jason Moore]

The Mike's bench of the week. DK Metcalf is on the other side.

[Mike Wright]

I was going to say Jared Goff and Jordan Love are like very similar to me this year of I think it's really, really one explosive game for each of them.

[Jason Moore]

You know that always capable.

[Mike Wright]

Any week it could have happened. Good offenses and it's just in every time it lines up. I mean we're only you know what, seven weeks in but this year when it's lined up for a huge game, it just, it hasn't really come through.

[Jason Moore]

You know it would help is if Matthew golden had a touchdown. Like we got Travis Hunter his first touchdown last week. Can we do this? Can we get this done?

[Bill]

That would be very.

[Jason Moore]

When you target golden, he is great so far. Now they're just not doing it much which you can lay that. I mean targets are earned. Right. It's an earned stat. You got to get separation. I'd like to see them make him more of a focal point of certain plays but right now the focal point is Josh Jacobs. Also Josh Jacobs and then Jacobs and then you move to the wide receiver.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Which if you're taking a shot at a white out this week. Mike Dobbs goal. It's.

[Mike Wright]

It's always Romeo Dobbs for me. You got what you got the last Three weeks has been six receptions. Five, six. He's not the three touchdown game against Dallas. That's a super outlaw.

[Jason Moore]

You need 15 points. You play golden or you play Dobbs?

[Mike Wright]

It's still Dobbs for me.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. No, I mean he had the three touchdown game. You just brought it up.

[Mike Wright]

It's just Matthew Golden.

[Jason Moore]

Jalen Warren is a lock, right?

[Mike Wright]

Tbd. Is he good?

[Jason Moore]

Jaylen Warren's a lock. Aaron Rodgers or Daniel Jones this week?

[Bill]

Daniel Jones.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, well, you just talked about. I was curious. You talked about like if Jonathan Taylor scores a couple of times they could take the. The difference for Daniel Jones scores a couple of times.

[Bill]

The difference for Daniel Jones is, is he could end up having rushing touchdowns at the end of the game. Like if, if you know he's vultured. I think three touchdowns from Jonathan Taylor that have already made me angry. Even though Jonathan Taylor leads the league in touchdowns, it's still never enough. Yeah, not for you, but I do think that that can happen to where he is. Okay.

[Jason Moore]

If they're up, what if like Dak and CD are just pretty good and then Jonathan Taylor only scores like twice. Are you having the worst week of your life?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Aaron Rodgers, by the way, big week last week, but he's been much worse than Daniel Jones. Jones is the quarterback six on the year. Jaylen Warren is a lock for your lineup. Of course. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

The matchup is.

[Jason Moore]

It's a tough one.

[Mike Wright]

It's not good, but Jalen Warren, dog.

[Jason Moore]

Monday Night Football. The Washington Commanders at 3 and 4 travel to take on the Kansas City Chiefs who have an implied point total of this week of 30 points.

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Jason Moore]

Who are 12 and a half point favorites? If you want to know whether a quarterback or two wide receivers coming back moves the line at all. Not the wide receivers. The Chiefs are 12 and a half point favorites. The over unders 47 and a half. That gives the Commanders four fewer points projected this week than the Texans. They're at 17 and a half. Well, I think they know everything we are knowing about the Chiefs at this point.

[Bill]

Talk about the Texans.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, about the Texans.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I mean my goodness, what is happening? It's going to be like I do not care to watch the Texans play football this year, but now I'll be glued.

[Jason Moore]

You know what?

[Mike Wright]

Locked in on that game.

[Jason Moore]

What's really hard is I've had this.

[Bill]

Totally going to win.

[Jason Moore]

I've had this decision of like because I am. I have Jaden Daniels, he's hurt and our league has a lot of backups rostered and I Have nobody to pick from. And so it's like Mariota or Michael Pinnock has been this decision for me, you know, just sitting out there on waiver wire that I don't even think about is C.J. stroud. It's like, oh, sitting there, and I'm like, I can't do that. Right?

[Mike Wright]

No, don't do it. Especially if Nico is out. No way.

[Jason Moore]

Right? No, I know. I know. It's just. I guess it's me saying I'm a little sad because, like, we were in a better place with him years ago. And the hope and the potential. By the way, Camp Scatter Boo just got fined $15,000 for violating the concussion protocol by going into the blue tent for Jackson.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is that what he did?

[Jason Moore]

Oh, when he went in the blue tent to check on him, he broke protocol. And they also. They find the giants $200,000 and Brian Dable 100,000.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because.

[Bill]

Oh, that. That one makes more sense.

[Mike Wright]

Day ball, because it was. That was sketchy behavior. I was like, no, dart.

[Bill]

You can't. Day ball cannot tell the medical guy to. I feel like I need my quarterback stop.

[Jason Moore]

Like, no, no, he can't. And I feel like Scatter Boo actually should be paid as more of a consultant because he's an expert on the concussion area of life. He should have been given $15,000. All right, let's get back to this game. That is Wild Patrick checking on his friend. Yeah, If I get concussed, I want you guys to check on me in the Bluetooth. No way.

[Mike Wright]

He's 15 grand.

[Bill]

That's too much money, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Okay. Mahomes, play him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Implied point totals. Wild. The big start this week. I think Rashard Smith's going to be good. The way they're talking about him, the fact Kareem Hunt is probably out, I mean, he has missed practice and isn't getting used a lot. The other argument there is obviously that Pacheco, after having a season high in opportunities last week, maybe they just ride that and he's getting more acclimated and they give him more.

[Mike Wright]

It's very, very McKinnon. E of which, if you've played fantasy football long enough, we had a year where Jerick McKinnon was just a hero on limited snaps and limited touches. He was a touchdown machine. I know that Smith had 19 opportunities last week. You know, they did beat the Raiders 31 to 0, so I'm sure that that factored into it because he only played 35% of the snaps. But, I mean, I'm not opposed to it. He has juice. The five receptions for 42 yards is very intriguing, but I think it makes like this will be the first week where I would play Pacheco with actual confidence and not just a. I have no one else to put in my lineup.

[Bill]

Yeah, agreed.

[Mike Wright]

So I guess Pacheco's in.

[Bill]

Pacheco seems like a. Like a fine play this week. And I also agree that Burchard Smith could be an okay. Like when we're talking about that category, of all the backups that we would play, Rashard Smith is. Is ahead of most of them.

[Jason Moore]

Manongai or Smith.

[Bill]

Yeah, I would go Smith.

[Jason Moore]

So Rashi Rice only played 41% of snaps last week, but that led to 10 targets, two touchdowns, just 42 yards receiving. But that's, you know, it's like a yard per snap percentage there.

[Mike Wright]

It was excellent.

[Jason Moore]

Please, please play him. Yep. Now, Xavier Worthy. What's the truth about Xavier Worthy at this point where we know that the injury he suffered was going to be a. It was going to be something that forced him to wear a brace and deal with the rest of the season. Once it happened in week five, we really haven't seen big numbers from Xavier Worthy. He's more just a piece of this machine right now.

[Bill]

Well, and when they really needed him, they kind of forced the issue got him out there. But they don't need him right now with Rushy Rice. So I expect a few touches and you're just hoping for a touchdown. I would rather look elsewhere.

[Jason Moore]

Travis Kelsey is a top what? Tight end. Rest of the season, 50. We're going to need to. I promise we're going to need to hone that in.

[Bill]

He's a top 40.

[Mike Wright]

30.

[Bill]

He's a top 30.

[Mike Wright]

25.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Bill]

He is a. He's a top 25. He's a top 25.

[Jason Moore]

Top 12.

[Bill]

No.

[Jason Moore]

Really?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

You think he's not a top 12 tight end?

[Bill]

He'll finish the season as a top 12 tight end.

[Jason Moore]

But I'm saying rest of the season you would pick 12 other tight ends over him.

[Bill]

Correct.

[Jason Moore]

Wow.

[Bill]

I mean, we saw it.

[Jason Moore]

And you are not on drugs?

[Bill]

No, not at all. I have a cup of coffee. Mind is clear. The first three weeks last year with Rushy Rice, the what it is. The first three weeks, the target share went down so much for Travis Kelsey. And while he did have a 44 yard broken play this last week, he only had three targets in the game. Is just kind of like I worry a lot about Kelsey going forward.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, how do you Feel about these commanders this week, Bill.

[Mike Wright]

I would avoid if I could. Unfortunately, the.

[Jason Moore]

Is there a word? But while we aren't playing them this week, we learned something new in terms of Mick Nichols or Chris Rodriguez.

[Mike Wright]

I don't think so.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Do you think Bill's the dude?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I do think he is the guy of anyone from Washington, but it still. It hasn't come through in good matchups.

[Jason Moore]

Bill or Burchard Smith. You play Bill.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, man. Yeah, I think I would play Bill.

[Jason Moore]

I know that's not a fun question, Mike.

[Bill]

No.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sorry to put you in that position.

[Mike Wright]

No, it's not.

[Jason Moore]

Would you play Bill or Ken Walker? Ken Walker, Bill or Jordan Mason last night?

[Mike Wright]

Wait, is it. Walker's on by.

[Jason Moore]

I was like, oh, sorry, sorry. I was looking at points per game. I was right by him on points per game, and I didn't even think about the schedule. Rashad White, though. Rashad White.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, Rashad White. Yes, for sure.

[Jason Moore]

Debo and McLaurin coming back. Are they back in your lineup in this game where they are only projected 7.

[Bill]

No. No. They're only projected 17 points.

[Mike Wright]

Saying this is. This is just Bumtown.

[Bill]

It is Mariota very good defense. So. No, I mean, right. Right now, the fewest fantasy points given up on the season to wide receivers is the Chiefs.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yeah, that's where. That's where them coming back just doesn't persuade me to play Mariota anyways. All right, one injury update for you. Bryce Young. Doubtful. And Andy Dalton will officially start. Regardless of whether he's the backup and dealing with the injury or the emergency quarterback, it'll be Andy Dalton this week. We'll see what that means for Xavier Leggette. Part two. Let's talk now.

[Mike Wright]

Speaking of Bumtown.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Fantasy Face off, presented by prize picks.

[Jason Moore]

Well, here we are again, the Fantasy Face Off. Last week, three out of four on my side of the table.

[Mike Wright]

That's pretty good.

[Jason Moore]

Jason, you. You went.

[Bill]

I did better than Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Lost.

[Mike Wright]

I was moving on. Just spin the stupid wheel in the wheel.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's just. This is what we do.

[Mike Wright]

Put the wheel up.

[Andy Holloway]

Wheel of shame.

[Mike Wright]

All right. I mean, I probably. Boston Strangler at this point. The court Cat person. League of record loser. That can't be me.

[Bill]

Cluck.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Moore]

Cluck.

[Bill]

Cluck.

[Mike Wright]

What is.

[Bill]

You're a chicken.

[Mike Wright]

I'm not only a chicken, I'm a very specific chicken.

[Jason Moore]

Have we tested this for large heads? It got stuck on mine. Oh, yeah.

[Bill]

Good luck, baby. Oh, baby.

[Jason Moore]

At least you cut Your hair, Mike.

[Bill]

I got it on decently. Getting it off is going to be a challenge.

[Jason Moore]

There's. There's breath holes, Mike. You'll be fine.

[Bill]

We can cut it off You.

[Jason Moore]

You'll be totally fine. You'll. Oh.

[Bill]

Oh, yes.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, baby. Cluck. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Look at that. Idiot.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

How you doing, Mike?

[Bill]

What a loser.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, we're into it this week. Quarterbacks.

[Bill]

I think there are eye holes up on your forehead right now.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, there are. I mean, they're not really where. They're not really where human eyes are, though. My quarterback this week. We got to get to it. I'm taking Andy DALTON More than 32 and a half passing attempts.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Andy DALTON More than 32 and a half passing attempts.

[Bill]

I like that. I'm going to go with what I have been doing pretty much all season. The projection keeps going up. I'm still taking Jordan Love more than 12 and a half rushing yards. Is his current projection ridiculous?

[Jason Moore]

Mike just reached out to find his microphone with his hands like a blind man. Are you suffocating?

[Mike Wright]

Well, I. When I pull the mask down, it chokes me.

[Jason Moore]

Sorry, bro.

[Mike Wright]

I got. Check this one out. Dylan Gabriel. Oh, 33.5 pass attempts more.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, so we both went past attempts.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, because he's going to have to throw a lot against the Patriots.

[Jason Moore]

No, that's. That's fair. My. My running back playing a little a fun one here. B. John Robinson. More than 23.5 rushing yards on his first five attempts. 23.5 on his first five attempts. Bijan.

[Bill]

I am going with Ollie Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Bill]

I'm going Ollie Gordon.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my gosh. Tommy Trimble strikes again. What is wrong with you?

[Bill]

His longest rush is going to be less than seven and a half yards. The nice thing is he's getting a lot of them. He's getting like three.

[Jason Moore]

That's a little. That's a little interesting.

[Bill]

All right, but if you lose that, I'm going to make fun of you. Very few chances.

[Jason Moore]

Mike, you're running back.

[Mike Wright]

I got Javante Williams against the Broncos rushing yards in first five attempts.

[Bill]

Oh, the same one as Andy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

18 and a half.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Oh, you're going.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, against the Broncos, you're going.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. You're going under. That's a less. Sorry. Drake London at wide receiver is. I'm going.

[Mike Wright]

This is awful.

[Jason Moore]

I'm sorry, Mike. I didn't know how. I got no report on how suffocating that was. I just knew it looked funny, which it does. Drake London is my green goblin. I'M going more than three and a half receptions for Drake. London. Same. Oh, you have the same thing.

[Mike Wright]

Same.

[Jason Moore]

That's funny.

[Bill]

Neat.

[Jason Moore]

That makes. That means you don't have to talk as much.

[Mike Wright]

Hmm.

[Bill]

I have three different wide receivers I'm picking between.

[Jason Moore]

Wait, right now?

[Bill]

Right now? Yeah, because I just. I love. I loved a lot of them. I'm going to go.

[Mike Wright]

What, Is this allowed?

[Bill]

Well, I mean, I'm making it official right now. Here we go. I have some. I'm going to take a first game back. Christian Watson. We're going to see him for the first time. You like Jordan Love. You say he's a good start of the week. I'm going to take him more than one and a half receptions. Think he'll get the ball a couple times in this game.

[Jason Moore]

Kate otten, more than 39 and a half receiving yards is my tight end.

[Bill]

My tight end is my green goblin. Evan Ingram is going to be more than three and a half receptions against Dallas.

[Jason Moore]

I love that you have so, so far. Let me just get this straight. One, you have Ollie Gordon in one of your picks.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Two, you told me I'm on drugs about Jordan Love and then went with him. And then three, you just picked who?

[Bill]

Evan Ingram.

[Jason Moore]

Who you love.

[Bill]

I know that Evan Ingram will get a lot of worthless receptions.

[Jason Moore]

Mike is begging us to stop talking.

[Mike Wright]

I burped in here and it was real gross.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. All right, you're tight in Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Travis kelsey, longest reception. 18 and a half yards. Yeah, less.

[Jason Moore]

Less of a couple of. Couple of less there. All right, we'll see if you're back in that death mask if it goes bad again.

[Mike Wright]

It's all hate next week. All less.

[Jason Moore]

Okay, that was Fantasy Face off, presented by prize picks. Join millions of users and sign up for America's number one fantasy sports app. Use the code footballers and get $50 in lineups when you play. $5. I almost feel guilty with this. It's really tight on your face.

[Bill]

Start taking it off. I want us. I want that on video. Oh, yep.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, wait, no. Goodbye, everybody.

[Mike Wright]

Goodbye.

[Andy Holloway]

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