Week 8 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Angels in the Endzone

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Week 8 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Angels in the Endzone

Release Date: October 28, 2019

The Fantasy Footballers returned for their Week 8 episode, diving deep into the latest fantasy football insights, including standout performances, disappointing showings, injury updates, and strategic advice to help listeners navigate the competitive landscape of their leagues. Hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright delivered a rich and engaging discussion, peppered with humor and expert analysis.

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League Updates and Records

Jason Moore kicked off the episode with a candid update on his own fantasy team. Despite an impressive personal score of 157.5 points (01:12), Moore faced a staggering defeat against an opponent who amassed 181.5 points (01:38). This loss pushed his team's record to 3-5. Reflecting on the situation, Moore remarked, “Fantasy football is a cruel, cruel animal” (01:26), highlighting the unpredictable nature of the game.

Andy Holloway chimed in humorously, “Sometimes we go through hard times, Jason” (01:26), easing the tension with camaraderie.

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Injury News

A significant portion of the discussion centered around player injuries impacting fantasy decisions:

• Kenyon Drake Trade: The Arizona Cardinals acquired running back Kenyon Drake in a trade with the Miami Dolphins, exchanging a 2026 round pick (06:32). Concerns arose about Drake's reliability, especially with potential absences of Chase Edmonds and David Johnson. Jason Moore noted, “It's really one of those low end desperation flex plays” (08:05).

• Brandon Cooks and Team Injuries: Brandon Cooks sustained a concussion, likely sidelining him for the following week (09:05). Mike Wright expressed skepticism about Cooks’ return, comparing the severity to past injuries: “He could miss next week for sure” (09:12).

• Miles Sanders: Sanders exited with a shoulder injury after a significant touchdown run (09:30). Mike Wright humorously lamented, “Just waiting in an infinite pool of sadness because I benched him and I lost because of it” (09:53).

• Dee Dee Westbrook and Sam Darnold: Westbrook suffered a neck shoulder injury, and Sam Darnold faced a sprained thumb, further complicating team dynamics (10:30).

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Studs of the Week

The hosts highlighted several top performers who delivered exceptional fantasy value:

• Deshaun Watson (14:28): Celebrated for his resilience and playmaking, Watson was likened to a "monster" for his performance under pressure.

• Matt Stafford (15:06): Stafford continues to dominate defenses, especially with an improved passing game. Moore emphasized, “He is a guy that I think is just going to keep having great games” (16:33).

• Aaron Rodgers (17:30): Rodgers reclaimed his form, delivering impressive performances akin to his prime years. “He is playing like Aaron Rodgers again” (17:43).

• Aaron Jones (22:57): Jones emerged as a fantasy powerhouse, leading the NFL with 11 total touchdowns and showcasing versatility in both rushing and receiving.

• Tevin Coleman (19:44): Despite minor injuries, Coleman amassed over 100 yards and four touchdowns with just 13 total touches, demonstrating explosive efficiency.

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Stinkers of the Week

Conversely, several players underperformed, impacting their fantasy value negatively:

• Kyler Murray (36:13): Facing tough matchups against strong defenses like the San Francisco 49ers, Murray struggled to produce, leading Moore to humorously compare him to a "pastrami on rye"—undesirable and ineffective (36:59).

• Lev Bell (39:30): Bell's performance was abysmal, averaging 0.48 fantasy points per touch over two games. The hosts suggested trading him for minimal value, highlighting his lackluster output.

• Robert Woods (41:40): Woods failed to meet expectations, posting minimal receptions and yards despite having opportunities. “Through eight weeks, he has been a massive disappointment” (42:45).

• Odell Beckham Jr. (44:15): Beckham struggled with only 5 receptions for 52 yards and a single touchdown, leading to questions about his reliability in future games.

• Zach Ertz (47:02): Ertz showed limited touchdown opportunities despite steady yardage, prompting concerns about his long-term fantasy viability.

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Strategic Insights and Advice

The hosts provided actionable advice for fantasy managers facing tough decisions:

• Streaming Defenses: With the Jets defense losing key players like Leonard Williams, Moore advised considering the Jets’ defense despite recent setbacks: “They are losing two of their best players. It stinks” (53:01), but highlighted the potential for favorable matchups.

• Handling Underperforming Players: For players like Robert Woods and Lev Bell, the recommendation leaned towards trading or benching, given their continued underperformance.

• Utilizing Studs Effectively: Emphasizing the importance of capitalizing on high-performing players, the hosts encouraged managers to rely on studs like Matt Stafford and Aaron Rodgers to gain competitive edges in their leagues.

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Community and Engagement

Throughout the episode, the Fantasy Footballers engaged with their audience through social media, sharing humorous one-liners and encouraging listeners to participate in the conversation. Highlights included witty remarks like “Kenny kills my fantasy team” (05:10) and playful banter about streaming players and dealing with disappointing performances.

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Conclusion

Week 8 of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast offered a comprehensive analysis of the latest fantasy football developments. From celebrating top-performing studs to strategizing around key stinkers and injuries, the hosts provided valuable insights to help listeners optimize their teams. With a blend of expert knowledge and engaging dialogue, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright cemented their reputation as essential resources for fantasy football enthusiasts looking to win their leagues in style.

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Note: Advertisements and promotional segments between [20:25] to [22:57] and [50:22] onwards were excluded from this summary to maintain focus on the core content.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, this is Kenyon Drake. You're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome in. Welcome into the show Once again, Monday, October 28th, the fantasy footballers, Andy, Mike and Jason. Back with you on the heels of yet another Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening of NFL football, we have Halloween just around the corner.

[Jason Moore]

I have decided I am going to dress up as myself because I will be back from the dead by then and I will be a be a scary monster ghoul.

[Andy Holloway]

You're dead on the inside presently.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I have no soul or strength to be here with you gentlemen. I hate.

[Mike Wright]

Thanks for fighting through.

[Jason Moore]

Thank you. This takes a lot of effort.

[Andy Holloway]

Sometimes we go through hard times, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Fantasy football is a cruel, cruel animal. It's. Look, everyone gets a bad beat sometimes. We've all been there.

[Andy Holloway]

You've all what about all the time?

[Jason Moore]

No, that's just reserved for me, Andy. That's just reserved for me. Update on the league of record. I went nuclear and scored 157 and a half points, which is usually going to be the highest score of the week. Except once again, my opponent, while he's setting records over there with 181 and a half points, I got blown out. Like, that's. I didn't even lose a close game. What is happening? So now my awesome league and record team will go to 3 and 5 and I'm pretty sure my 5 losses have like an average margin of like the opponent scoring about 150.

[Andy Holloway]

We sent some people to your house a well check last night after, you know, you faced a torturous opponent. You know, Jamal Williams and Tyrell Williams.

[Jason Moore]

And Gardner Minshew, Tevin Coleman. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the opponent that I was facing is like one of the three worst teams in the league. Everybody beats him. He's got a crappy roster. Until you play me, until it's not crappy, I've got to work on my defense.

[Andy Holloway]

Couple things.

[Jason Moore]

True.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, your defense sucks.

[Jason Moore]

It really does. I'm giving up points.

[Andy Holloway]

Like your intimidation factor is not there. Nobody's afraid of you.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, apparently not.

[Andy Holloway]

Not even Jamal Williams. But we have a lot to get into today. All the studs, the stinkers. Brooks is back with us. There's good Judge Giamatti is back.

[Jason Moore]

It's going to be back.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah. As they say. Now, Mike, I am curious before we get into some Monday punday reaction to the weekend. Before we get into the studs, the Duds. How do you feel when you witness something like that happen to your, you know, last week's best friend? Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Like when you watch what's happening, do you. Are you really rooting for him or against him or.

[Mike Wright]

That's.

[Andy Holloway]

That's for the entertainment of the show, man. Let's get real.

[Mike Wright]

I think I rooted against it at this point. The man. The man is.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, you against it happening to him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I was. I was there live.

[Andy Holloway]

One more knife twist is not. You're not in the.

[Mike Wright]

We're watching the games and he is. We were watching his team just go ham.

[Jason Moore]

Oh. Jared Goff. Christian McCaffrey. Mike Evans. Yeah, he had Evans.

[Mike Wright]

He had Mike Evans.

[Andy Holloway]

Loser. Loser.

[Mike Wright]

He had Evans yesterday and somehow lost. And it was. Things started unraveling after Tyrell Williams went a full half with zero fantasy points. And then all of a sudden he just kind of popped his head up. It's like, no, I'm still here. And then proceeded to have himself a fine game. And then the dominoes just kept falling.

[Jason Moore]

Do you remember last week when you tweet, when you were talking about the tweet from Scott Barrett of like, what if you had this crappy team and they would have scored?

[Andy Holloway]

You might be the only person that's lost on Both Mike Evans 40 point weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Mike Evans, Christian McCaffrey combo. Both monster weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, we'll move on. We hopped on social media as we do each and every Sunday, we asked you for some sophisticated reactions to the weekend. Some one liners. Lie Johnson.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Or maybe Tyler Yawn.

[Mike Wright]

Sin.

[Andy Holloway]

That's not worth all that, fam. Chase Deadman.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, come on. He got hurt.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny still not relevant.

[Jason Moore]

That's pretty good.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny kills my fantasy team.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny chills. Tevin Swole man.

[Jason Moore]

Whoa.

[Andy Holloway]

Stairway to Tevin. Kiki cut me. Oh, that's for sure.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Latavious money.

[Jason Moore]

What?

[Mike Wright]

That is not an authorized reappropriation.

[Andy Holloway]

Someone needs to redeem that sound bite. And Latavia's money did that. And then a nickname, I think Al Borland put in here. Jason Moore is dead inside.

[Jason Moore]

Jason's Moore dead inside.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, Jason's more dead inside.

[Jason Moore]

Which is a fact.

[Mike Wright]

Can you be more dead?

[Jason Moore]

I can confirm that. I can. Yes, Mike, we have verified. It is possible. But wait till next week.

[Mike Wright]

Pretty binary.

[Andy Holloway]

We've got injury news to get into. We encourage you to follow us on the socials. You can watch the show on YouTube. YouTube.com the fantasy footballers. Make sure you subscribe, click the bell, get updates when new content goes out. There Mike is live every Sunday morning. You don't want to miss that.

[Mike Wright]

Nope.

[Andy Holloway]

Instagram.com fantasy footballers. You can find us on Twitter @the ffballers and the website's thefantasyfootballers.com let's hit the rewind.

[Jason Moore]

Weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday at 4pm Eastern. We got some breaking news this morning.

[Mike Wright]

It's hot. The trades are happening.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's kind of yucky.

[Andy Holloway]

What this specific trade.

[Jason Moore]

This specific trade is the one that.

[Andy Holloway]

We'Re going to talk about in a minute with that player.

[Jason Moore]

I love trades that are happening now in the modern NFL, but this one I think for fantasy kind of stinks.

[Andy Holloway]

The Cardinals Arizona Cardinals trading a 2026 round pick that could become a fifth to the Miami Dolphins in exchange for running back Kenyon Drake, who was on the out and out for quite some time. Drake's in the last year of his contract. The Cardinals pick up Kenyon Drake. David Johnson didn't play this week. Chase Edmonds exited with a hamstring injury. The Cardinals play on Thursday against the halfway decent 49er defense. And so now there's concern that Chase Edmonds and David Johnson will be out on Thursday. I, in fact I would go as far as to say I expect them to both be out.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. David Johnson was expected to miss prior. He was rumored to return after the short week against the 49ers. And then we don't have an update on Chase Edmonds hamstring. But when you pull a hamstring like that, you usually are going to miss a couple weeks.

[Andy Holloway]

So now fantasy owners are stuck in this predicament of three rosterable options in Arizona at the running back position. Will Kenyon Drake be startable?

[Jason Moore]

I think that there will be many a league in which Kenyon Drake will be started. This is an offense and an offense that has been utilizing the running back in a fashion that is valuable. This is a running back who fits that skill set. Right. He's a great pass catcher. However, it's a horrifically bad matchup. I mean not for Christian McCaffrey but for most people. The for mere mortals, The San Francisco 49ers have been awesome. So it's really one of those like low end desperation flex plays. It could turn out better than you hope, but you're not hoping for much.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And it's just a half year rental for Kenyon Drake and then he'll be a free agent. Chase Edmonds, we mentioned the injury. Matt Breida every week suffered an ankle Injury in the third quarter. Jeff Wilson, a head injury. It was a scary one in the second half. Nothing that Tevin Coleman and Raheem Mostert couldn't summon up. And this team is.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they're good. Don't worry about them.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, they miss Kyle. Jus check, obviously, right?

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, man, they can run the ball. Brandon Cooks, another concussion.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. This is not. This is not good for Brandon.

[Andy Holloway]

He could miss next week for sure.

[Jason Moore]

I would imagine he could miss several weeks. Look at what happened to Sterling Shepard. Sterling Shepard had two quick consecutive concussions and now has missed the majority of the year because that's a serious thing. So, yeah, I don't expect Cooks to be back. Certainly not this week.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, these injuries are scary because we now have the benefit of this ultra slow motion when you see players eyes roll in the back of their head. Yeah, that's just not, you know, it's just a quick momentary thing sometimes, but, man, that's a scary thing. Miles Sanders exited shoulder injury after a big touchdown run. Where are we at with Miles Sanders?

[Mike Wright]

Just waiting in an infinite pool of sadness because I benched him and I lost because of it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You know, not to be outdone, Mike, you are in a sad place as well.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. I like to let Jason collect his moping. Thank you.

[Jason Moore]

So me. Thank you.

[Andy Holloway]

DD west is moping spotlights all he has left in life.

[Jason Moore]

It's a. Like, it's just a black light. So you can't really see anything.

[Andy Holloway]

No. Nothing escapes your sadness.

[Mike Wright]

There's actually things you could see with a black light.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. But thankfully they're not on me.

[Andy Holloway]

Talking about scorpions, of course. Dee Dee Westbrook was active but exited with a neck shoulder injury. Scorpions are scary. Yeah. Sam Darnold suffered a sprained thumb, stayed in the game. Things are not well in New York.

[Mike Wright]

No, they are not. And what's going on with Robbie Anderson? You expect him to be traded? There's whispers from the bushes now that the Patriots want another wide receiver.

[Andy Holloway]

I think they wouldn't do it out of spite.

[Jason Moore]

There's no way they would trade him to the Patriots in division.

[Andy Holloway]

Although I say that every time somebody trades someone to the Patriots. So I feel like everybody must start that conversation with the Patriots as, no, we're not interested. But somehow they end with, okay, you get your way. Yeah, we would take a seventh rounder for him.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, at this point, if you're the jets and you're. You're not going to pay him. It's interesting. I Don't know how he would work. I mean, it depends on the contract he signed. Let's say he goes to free agency. How it all factors into the extra picks that you get. But what if the Patriots are giving the best offer?

[Andy Holloway]

The packers should beat it. That's what should happen. The packers are. They're having a strong season and they need help. And Devonte Adams will be back, but they need help outside of random throw to Kumaro here and a random throw to Lazard there.

[Jason Moore]

If I could pick a team that would benefit from Robbie Anderson, a young up and coming quarterback that could use a downfield threat, I would say the jets look like a really nice pair. So I would not trade him and just, you know, keep him for Sam Darnold. Don't be dumb.

[Andy Holloway]

I don't think that. I don't think you can have confidence in Robbie Anderson. It doesn't mean you can't play him. But confidence, it comes with consistency. And you don't have consistency at the quarterback position with the offense with what the jets are doing right now. So, you know, you could do worse on a week to week basis. You've always got the chance for the big play. But much like Kenny Stills, if you don't get the big play, you could end up holding the bag. All right, And a reminder, Mark Walton, we should talk about him briefly. He is going to be the starting running back tonight for the Miami Dolphins against Pittsburgh.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, hey.

[Andy Holloway]

Somehow he has risen. Much like you will one day, Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Someday Jason will be back.

[Andy Holloway]

For now, it's just me, Mark Waltenberg himself moving forward. I mean, it's hard to find running backs.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, he's a starting point.

[Andy Holloway]

Here's one. I found one.

[Jason Moore]

You know what's funny is so Kenyan Drake leaves and you go, okay, this is, you know, it's Mark Walton season, right. But you obviously temper. That's the Miami Dolphins. They haven't had great success, but a lot of people are going to be scratching and clawing to get Mark Walton. And yet Caleb Bellage is still there and now benefits from Kenyan Drake leaving as well and is also the goal line back now. I hate Kenya as a talent. You really do as a talent. Yeah. I've never thought he's a good football player. And so it's one of those things where it's really confusing because if you have to have two guys that are splitting the load, you usually want that goal line back. Like similar to the Eagles where you've got Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders. Usually you want the goal line option In Howard so far this year.

[Mike Wright]

It'll be though. How much does that split actually go to Balaj?

[Jason Moore]

Sure.

[Mike Wright]

While he has been the goal line back, you're talking three carries, three carries, two carries the past three weeks.

[Jason Moore]

I think one of the big differences between the Eagles and the Dolphins is you expect the Eagles to have opportunities at or near the goal line, whereas you don't with the Dolphins.

[Mike Wright]

Sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And Balaj has scored in consecutive weeks, I believe.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

That's all he's done, though, Right?

[Jason Moore]

Because that's. That's the only place they use him.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into the studs. There was good stuff that happened this weekend.

[Jason Moore]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Deshaun Watson.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, my goodness, he's so good.

[Andy Holloway]

Pretty good at football.

[Jason Moore]

He's so good. That play where he gets kicked in the face, spun around, kicked in the eyeball, and then just throws a touchdown. He's. He's unbelievable.

[Andy Holloway]

I think watching Watson and Lamar Jackson navigate the pocket, navigate being tackled, move outside the pocket, running. Those are two players that, like, when you look at the evolution of Kyler Murray and his good games and bad games, that's the one thing that his small stature hurts him so bad. I mean, he goes down so quickly compared to Watson and Sean.

[Mike Wright]

Lamar.

[Jason Moore]

Lamar and J.J. watt, obviously. Sad news. Tore his peck, I believe. And so he will miss the rest of the season. But with no J.J. watt, no Jadevian Clowney. This is not a scary defense anymore. The Houston Texans defense is a. Is a great matchup for your offense, but that also means that it's. It's just all, you know, good news for Deshaun Watson and Hopkins. And I think Kenny Bills will get back on the horse.

[Andy Holloway]

Had a couple starts the week with big weeks. Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff Stafford continues to pretty much eviscerate defenses, and I think you can count on him to continue to do so because he has great pass catching weapons and they don't have a running game.

[Mike Wright]

Right. Yeah, this is.

[Andy Holloway]

They're transitioning to giving him more control.

[Mike Wright]

It's so wild what has happened for Matt Stafford, which, I mean, just the return is awesome to see, but with an offense that's led by Matt, Patricia and Bevel, I mean, this is not what any of us expected for Matt Stafford to be the guy who's going downfield more than any other quarterback in the league.

[Jason Moore]

It felt like this entire game, every shot was just this bomb. You know, it's like, oh, Matthew Stafford going deep and he's got. He's got multiple weapons that can. That can break loose. So yeah, he's, he's. He's a guy that I think is just going to keep having great games at least next week at Oakland.

[Andy Holloway]

And this was a game where Trey Carson had 12 carries, Ty Johnson at seven.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, they the running back and Paul Perkins got in there too. The way that they distributed the carries was not very much the. We're going to have ty Johnson and J.D. mcKissick split the load.

[Andy Holloway]

No, but we. Man weapons. Golladay and Marvin Jones are red zone beasts. Golladay can get deep. Marvin hall can get deep. Hawkinson's huge. Danny Amendola is perfect underneath. Like this team.

[Mike Wright]

They're interesting.

[Andy Holloway]

You should hang on to Matthew Stafford right now.

[Mike Wright]

I agree. He gets to play Oakland next week too.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And then Chicago and Dallas. Gardner Minshew. Huge game for Gardner.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, that's awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Drew Brees came back. Big game for him.

[Mike Wright]

What was that?

[Andy Holloway]

That was a slight. He's mad at Gardner for hurting him. Personally.

[Jason Moore]

I played against Gardner.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, so. So he has no objectivity here. It is just pure and utter physical pain.

[Jason Moore]

Foot clan. I'm here today for myself. Sometimes you got a vent. Let it out. I recommend not to bottle things up too much.

[Andy Holloway]

Aaron Rodgers getting it done.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He's the quarterback for on the season.

[Mike Wright]

Now and he is playing like Aaron Rodgers again. It's been, it's been a hot minute since we have seen Aaron Rodgers look like one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

[Andy Holloway]

Should get Devonte Adams back next week.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, I mean it's. It's hard not to be bought in.

[Jason Moore]

It's.

[Mike Wright]

The Chargers gets Carolina. I mean Rogers is going to continue to be great.

[Jason Moore]

And I agree with you. He's looked the. He's looked the part. The roll out deep.

[Mike Wright]

Was he throwing that ball away?

[Jason Moore]

That's what I thought. I thought he was.

[Mike Wright]

He was throwing that ball. Here's the thing.

[Jason Moore]

He was throwing the ball away. But then it was like, oh, no. Jamal Williams is playing against Jason so he's got to be there to catch a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

The Angels.

[Jason Moore]

The Angels at the end. Z. Great movie.

[Mike Wright]

They slowed the ball down just enough.

[Andy Holloway]

I will say I 100% along with Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth thought that that was a throwaway. Yeah, I thought 100% that was a throw.

[Jason Moore]

If you watch the replay, Jamal Williams wasn't on the field and then. And then boom, he's there. It's pretty wild, man.

[Andy Holloway]

They re striped the end zone an extra 2 yards in each direction while the ball was in the air.

[Jason Moore]

I just couldn't believe that play. Of course.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, if I told you Tevin Coleman had 13 total touches, I think you'd be surprised that he ended up with over 100 yards and four touchdowns. And he could have had more. They just started spreading the ball around at the end of this game.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Running back eight on the year despite the missed time.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Four touchdowns will do that.

[Andy Holloway]

But I. He is here to stay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, the thing that is the cog is The Kyle Shanahan 49ers run game is going to be great. That's just a guarantee. So whoever it is, because these guys all tend to get injured a lot. I mean, there's nobody there. I mean, Coleman as well. Burrito. Most are. They're all injured quite often. So whoever is active, just put them in. Put them in your line.

[Mike Wright]

Such a wild place to be here. Man of the off season of Tevin Coleman. Right. The past couple of years stashing him in dynasty leagues because it's. He's going to be freed. He's going to go to a team. It's going to be awesome. Gets basically offered garbage money in the free market to go be for San Francisco. Everybody is sad that Tevin Coleman went to San Francisco and now you're sad if you don't have.

[Jason Moore]

And then Kevin Coleman gets to play Arizona. Let me check this two times in the next three weeks, including Thursday. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, that's going to be spooky.

[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Andy Holloway]

Alright, I want to talk about Aaron Jones because he was an absolute beast. Beast last night even came off the field briefly with an injury. Didn't stop him from 220 total yards. He leads the NFL with 11 total touchdowns. And I think the biggest difference that you've seen, like we, we sit here on the show and we talk about fantasy football and we get frustrated with coaches who seem to prioritize giving the ball to players that are not at the talent level of other players. I think the biggest difference in Green Bay this year is if you're going to go down, go down with your stars. Yeah, get them the ball. Get Aaron Jones the ball in the passing game, get it to him on the outside, let him do something. Last year he had 26 receptions on the whole season through eight weeks in 2019, he has 34. He has 42 targets already this year. He had 35 all last year.

[Jason Moore]

If you are throwing the ball to Aaron Jones, Goodness, excuse me, I'm dying from the inside out. So you understand if you're throwing the ball to Aaron Jones, you're going to succeed because he's electric. He's an Alvin Camara type of guy. And so linebackers cannot guard him.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Jason Moore]

So this was one of those narratives before the season where it was a lot of talk about getting Aaron Jones more involved in the passing game. That was what we were looking for in preseason, week one. Really focused on it. It's definitely happened. And it's not going to. I mean, it's not one of those things where I think if they continue to utilize him in the passing game, that he's all of a sudden not going to be good. He's just going to keep being great if he's utilizing the passing game well.

[Andy Holloway]

And it's no longer a binary situation with Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones because of the passing game work. You know, what do you want to do on offense? Matt LaFleur, do you want to give the ball more targets to Jake Kumaro or more targets to Aaron Jones and let him do something in the running game or, you know, in space? Jamal Williams had a great game as well. Scored twice, 10 touches. I think he's the far more unpredictable asset in the backfield. But he will get work. And if the offense continues to move the ball, both players will have a chance to succeed.

[Mike Wright]

What's Mike McCarthy thinking right now?

[Andy Holloway]

What's he thinking right now?

[Mike Wright]

What's it like? Is he. Does he have the Jeff Fisher thought, like, why I built this team? That's why it's so good?

[Andy Holloway]

Probably.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. We're all humans.

[Andy Holloway]

And you're to be a head coach. Your ego's got to be big.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, McCarthy. This is what happens when you use Aaron Jones.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And you know, you'd still have a job. It's probably true. Latavius Murray.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

9 for 55 and a touchdown. Also played against Jason. 21 for 101 and one on the ground.

[Jason Moore]

Look, I know this is. Everyone's sick of it, but three of the top four running backs, Tevin Coleman, Jamal Williams and Latavius Murray, those are my opponents. Running backs. This is ridiculous. Sorry. Go on.

[Andy Holloway]

Latavius Murray forced in your honor, Jason. The most missed tackles amongst running backs in week eight. If you watch that game, he never went down on first contact. He was constantly picking up an extra two or three yards. He looked great.

[Jason Moore]

He did. The Arizona Cardinals will help that to be a reality.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you do with Latavius Murray right now? Because if you try to sell him to the Camaro owner, you probably don't get a premium on him because he can't. Is it worth holding him just in the event that Camara goes down and you know you have a top five guy?

[Jason Moore]

It could be, but he's.

[Mike Wright]

They're going into the bye week talking about the Saints so he can't play for you next week. Alvin Camara, the way they were talking about his injury, they were saying if this were the playoffs, like he'd be it. So it was just them looking at the schedule and the bi week coming up saying, well, let's get Camara two weeks of rest. So I would try, if you try to trade him to the Camaro owner saying, look how valuable Latavius Murray is to your team. If Camara goes down, you're going to want to have Murray. So I would prefer to go get that value than hold on to him and see if Camara is right because I think Camara will be back.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Cook, McCaffrey, Barkley, the big guys that did big things this week. Let's talk about David Moppertunity, his breakout performance, 27 carries, 135 yards on the ground and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, the overcorrection that's coming. No, that happened having him touch the ball, what, like five times last week?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, what happens, the situation you were in with David Montgomery before was that the touches were so limited that you just lowered the probability of a big play. And if you got a game without a big play, you're done. I mean, you get eight points, three points. You know, last week was the nightmare. Now Jason, you said it on the show last week. You said it on the Sirius XM show, specifically second half MVP candidates. David Montgomery was in that category for you and that was a risky thing to say after a two carry week.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean you knew there was going to be an overcorrection as far as carry count goes, obviously they ended up losing the game, which they should not have, but they did. But yeah, I mean David Montgomery is going to be involved far more the second half of the season than he was the first half.

[Andy Holloway]

And if you want to find somebody to hang out with today, Jay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Matt Nagy would be the guy that you could hang with because if you want to know about anybody more dead inside right now than you, I think Matt Nagy's the one.

[Jason Moore]

But I haven't made. Like, that's not fair.

[Andy Holloway]

Because you feel like he made his own grave.

[Jason Moore]

Dug his own grave. I've. My guys have been great. My team's been awesome.

[Andy Holloway]

Nice.

[Mike Wright]

He rolled around in the.

[Jason Moore]

Not awesome enough. Yes, I agree.

[Mike Wright]

He's rolling around in the Ebola and he's like, wait a minute.

[Jason Moore]

What? How'd I get this Ebola?

[Andy Holloway]

I don't recommend that. I think that's a. I don't either. And so, yes.

[Mike Wright]

Make good decisions. Don't be a naggy.

[Andy Holloway]

Philadelphia, Detroit, the Rams, those are not ideal matchups, I think, for Montgomery, but if he gets that kind of work, it's going to be flex worthy. Miles Sanders, Jordan Howard. Howard has a real opportunity here.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Going up against Chicago, then the bye week. But if Miles Sanders misses a week, he could be alone in that backfield. Him and Boston Scott.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, is this a revenge game, too?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Oh, revenge against Naggy.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Take that.

[Mike Wright]

Trade me away.

[Andy Holloway]

And yeah, I think it'll be pretty nice for Jordan Howard next week against Chicago at home.

[Jason Moore]

I do feel the need to apologize a little bit to Matt Nagy. He is not. He's not without blame, but, like, I don't know what I would do if Mitch Trubisky was my quarterback. I don't know what I would.

[Mike Wright]

I would do this. I would give David Montgomery the ball 27 times once again, and just cross my fingers, David.

[Andy Holloway]

Mitch Trubisky, atrocious, managed to lead another comeback drive down the field. And then Matt Nagy chose to take a knee and let his kicker and then defended it in the press conference with some real vitriol about how it wasn't even a consideration to run the ball there.

[Jason Moore]

Well, then you're an idiot. Okay? I take everything back.

[Mike Wright]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[Jason Moore]

They're both. This is a match made in heaven. You two deserve each other.

[Andy Holloway]

Mitchell and Mitchell.

[Jason Moore]

Mitchell and Matt Mitchell and Aggies. I'll try. All right, wide receivers.

[Andy Holloway]

Wide receivers. Mike Evans. Another monster game. 11 for 198 and 2. Cooper cup is ridiculous. 7 for 2. 20 and 1, 2.

[Mike Wright]

20.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

220 yards and he could have had.

[Andy Holloway]

Another hundred if they needed it.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny Golladay. Oh, he was so smooth busting out them smooth routes.

[Jason Moore]

Start of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Julian Edelman, two touchdowns. Michael Thomas is Michael Thomas. Patrick Peterson couldn't do anything to stop him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it Was, man. Some people on Twitter were breaking down the defense that Patrick Peterson was being asked to play against Michael Thomas. It was not Patrick Peterson's fault.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he wasn't one on one on.

[Mike Wright]

Him very often and he was always giving him cushion. That's a tale for another podcast.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, Julio and Hopkins, they both got it done without a touchdown.

[Jason Moore]

It's nice to see these the big name guys, Mike Evans, Cooper Cup, Julio Hopkins, the guys that you expect big games from. There's been so many weeks where they've just crapped all over your team. It's so nice. And same with running backs, you know, the Saquon Zekes. This was a nice week for all of the real Studley players.

[Mike Wright]

Chalk.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, the chalk kind of worked.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyrell Williams, when he plays, seems to score touchdowns. He was three for 91 on a touchdown. He's back. DJ Chark here to stay. Six for 79 and a touchdown. Chris Conley, I want to bring him up. Four for 103 and one on seven targets. Couple of weeks in a row where he's had some big plays. If Dee Dee Westbrook misses time. Are you flexing Conley into lineups?

[Jason Moore]

It's tough because I wasn't really flexing DD into the lineup. I mean, in a pinch you could obviously on the docket the last two weeks. Well, that, that's a really good matchup. Maybe, maybe on a one week basis you could look that way. Gardner's been very steady. Top 12 quarterback two weeks in a row for fantasy. And Chris Conley is a, you know, if you're not familiar with him, he's an athletic freak.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

So he topped 21 miles an hour on that touchdown. Down the sideline, DK Metcalf, two touchdowns on three catches for 13 yards. But that's what you get with a beast of a man. Start of the week, Ryan Griffin and Darren Fells, two touchdowns each. I like how Brooks put in the show, Doc. Chris Herndon, Ryan Griffin.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, yeah, I was tilting very, very much watching the Ryan Griffin success.

[Andy Holloway]

Does it make you feel confident in Herndon when he returns?

[Jason Moore]

I already was confident in Herndon when he returns. But this is great. I mean, we've talked about how Ryan Griffin has been out on the field. He's been running the routes. He's just Ryan Griffin. But this game, apparently he was like, I'm not Ryan Griffin. I can knee a guy in the face when I go for a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

If you have not seen.

[Andy Holloway]

I haven't seen what you're talking about.

[Mike Wright]

He does a full flying jump knee.

[Jason Moore]

Like right as he's going in the end zone, guy goes to tackle him. It's almost like one of those hurdles that turn into like the kick like Antonio Brown had a while back.

[Andy Holloway]

Darren Fouls Interested moving forward? He's a couple weeks now where he's, he's been.

[Mike Wright]

You can stream him in a pinch, but his floor is zero.

[Jason Moore]

Yes, his floor is absolutely zero. But this is his third game with a touchdown, his second game with multiple touchdowns. So at least, you know, the upside can't exist.

[Andy Holloway]

Will Fuller's out, I mean, for a period of time. And Stills didn't get the targets that you might have hoped. Jonah Smith, 6 for 78 and a touchdown.

[Mike Wright]

Jason, start of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, seven targets.

[Jason Moore]

He's great without Walker. I mean, in the games, you know, after his rookie season when he doesn't have Walker, he's been pretty much a top.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. No.

[Andy Holloway]

Last year, Walker was out the entire year. And Joni Smith gave you like two or three games that mattered.

[Jason Moore]

Well, he gave you six. His first six games were all top 12 at tight end when Delaney Walker was out.

[Andy Holloway]

There's a lot of reasons though. Last year, I mean, people expected breakout last season. All I'm saying, I'm not saying you can't start him, but he disappeared. I like him with Tannehill. Last year he had a Mariota problem.

[Jason Moore]

And he's 24 years old and you know, he was drafted to be like when he was coming out. I love Jonah Smith and I thought the future he'll be, he'll be bright. We always forget, you know, with these Gerald Everetts and Jonah Smith, like tight ends take several years to develop and come into their own.

[Mike Wright]

And very often it can. You can just be sitting there watching the paint dry and just nothing, nothing, nothing. Then just one game, something clicks and now they're a pass catching weapon.

[Andy Holloway]

The nice thing about Joni Smith is his speed and athleticism and the ability to make like he's a yardage guy. You go play Cameron Brait, you have to get a touchdown or you're dead. It's one of the reasons why I went Joaning over Brait this week is I figured if Joaning doesn't score, you might get the other part of this line. 6 for 78. That would make you happy all by itself.

[Jason Moore]

It's like a George Kittle.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes.

[Jason Moore]

Travis Kelsey. Like they're hard to tackle. You get them the ball and they're probably getting another 10 or 12 yards on every Reception.

[Andy Holloway]

Austin Hooper doing Hooper things. You know, Austin Hooper was great. Julio Jones was great with Matt Shop.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All the fears of Matt Schaub starting assuaged Tyler Iford six for 74 on nine targets. Just a.

[Jason Moore]

He got injured. He did.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, come on.

[Jason Moore]

It was a very. Tyler Ifert.

[Andy Holloway]

His best days are behind him.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's move on.

[Jason Moore]

Stinkers of the Week, presented by Odor Eaters.

[Andy Holloway]

What's happening with Kyler Murray? Mike, you've got two weeks in a row where Larry Fitzgerald's barely involved in the offense. Cardinals had the great matchup against New York last week. The Giants did. He did nothing. Zero touchdowns in the last eight quarters. What do fantasy owners do with Kyler Murray?

[Mike Wright]

You. Man. At this point, you have to at least panic a little bit because two of the next three weeks, San Francisco and the San Francisco defense is fully legit. They are a great team. Now he gets the Tampa Bay Buccaneers sandwiched there.

[Jason Moore]

So he's a delicious sandwich. Just doesn't have the right.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's like rye bread.

[Jason Moore]

It's terrible. Ruin sauce.

[Andy Holloway]

You're not. You've publicly proclaimed your hatred of rye bread.

[Mike Wright]

Well, I don't understand why people like it, but.

[Jason Moore]

What's your favorite meat? Ooh, I don't know. It's like a pastrami.

[Mike Wright]

Pastrami.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, so this is a pastrami on rye.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Okay.

[Mike Wright]

This is a.

[Jason Moore]

This is a terrible sandwich. And you're keto. So you would just take the rye, throw them away, and eat that pastrami.

[Mike Wright]

That is 100% correct.

[Jason Moore]

That's what Kyler Murray is.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what I was gonna ask you if you would. If you were fed that, like, handed that sandwich, you would actually just peel the pastrami off of it.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, 100%.

[Andy Holloway]

So that's what you should do here.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Mike Wright]

And you're going to be streaming next week. Then you can play Kyler, and then you'll want to stream again, man.

[Jason Moore]

Now, is it worth. We got it. We got to ask. Because I think people are going to face this decision themselves. Is it worth dropping him? Because I want to hold him. But over the next month, you're. You're presuming that there's only one game that you really want to start him, which is not this coming week, but the following week at Tampa Bay. The sandwich of the two San Francisco games, and then it's the bye week. So do you hold on to him for the hope that, you know, after the buy, you've got the Rams, you've got the Steelers. Not good.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, you don't. And here's the problem. One of the big differences over the last two weeks is no David Johnson. David Johnson represented a lot of yardage for Kyler Murray dump off passes.

[Jason Moore]

You're underestimating how large the Grand Canyon is. You're trying that one out for size. Can you Drake in Arizona?

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. We certainly understand the Grand.

[Mike Wright]

We need to make sure that the national audience understands. So the Grand Canyon.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we'll see.

[Mike Wright]

That was a reference to the Grand Canyon.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Maybe. Maybe he helps Kyler out.

[Andy Holloway]

I highly doubt it.

[Jason Moore]

Your point is well taken. Without.

[Mike Wright]

The hard part about this is. Yes, the Grand Canyon is one of the. One of the wonders of the world.

[Andy Holloway]

Are there seven or eight wonders?

[Mike Wright]

That's why I didn't throw it.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm looking at the producers. How many wonders are.

[Mike Wright]

There was seven.

[Jason Moore]

I think it was seven.

[Andy Holloway]

Throw up some fingers. Seven. One. Okay, this is seven. So did we lose one?

[Jason Moore]

I think there are two different wonders. There's like the.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, there's natural and man made.

[Andy Holloway]

There's ancient and.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And current.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, something like that.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Okay. Regardless, it's, it's, it's incredible. It's beautiful. But it's also a big hole. Like is that. What are you comparing fantasy value to a big hole?

[Andy Holloway]

I'm consider. I'm Kenyan. Drake has been a big hole of fantasy value for quite some time.

[Jason Moore]

I still love it.

[Andy Holloway]

So what better state to go to? We are lost. All right, Lev Bell, what do you make of this hugely disappointing performance?

[Jason Moore]

This stat is unbelievable. Since 2000, there have been, since the year 2000, there have been 211. Remember that number. There have been 211 running backs that have averaged 20 plus touches in their team's first seven games. Lev Bell ranks 203rd in fantasy points. I mean, he is not getting it done at all.

[Mike Wright]

Now. I would go trade for him on the cheap.

[Jason Moore]

That's exactly what I think.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, if you have him, hold on. Take a, Take a bath, take a shower, get it. Get the cries out and then play levy on Bell with this juicy schedule coming up.

[Jason Moore]

Do you disagree, Andy? Do you think this is. He's. He's done. He's kaput.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I don't disagree at all. I would try to acquire him as well. He's averaging 0.48 fantasy points per touch. That is really, really bad. But you haven't played the majority of this season with Sam Darnold. When you came back with Sam Darnold it was against the Patriots.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You had no quarterback.

[Andy Holloway]

This game was disappointing though.

[Jason Moore]

Just flat out this, 100%, this one was, is the one that's going to get you the ability to get him cheap. But he's played Buffalo, New England twice, Philly, the tough matchups with backups. Now from here on out, why won't.

[Andy Holloway]

Sam Darnold take the easy points? Why won't he take the easy points on the outside? That's what I, when I watch that game, it's like the Matt Nagy situation or you know, with Mitch Trubisky.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it's because every time he left.

[Andy Holloway]

Bell's right there just throwing the ball.

[Mike Wright]

But when he looks at Lev Bell, he does a quick glance to the coach and he gets the gaze of the B hole. And we've talked about this.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, gosh, stay away from that.

[Mike Wright]

And he says, don't you dare you throw that ball down the field.

[Jason Moore]

Now you said the gays, but was. Was that a known pun while you were making it?

[Mike Wright]

It was unknown, but I love it.

[Jason Moore]

That's fantastic work.

[Andy Holloway]

What do fantasy owners do with the Detroit backfield other than sob Run away. So Ty Johnson, are you out?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

After one game? I. I'm not majority of snap. So ty Johnson was 39.7%. McKissick was 25.4%. And then what do we have Carson at 30%.

[Mike Wright]

Yep. I'm out.

[Jason Moore]

I'm not out in the sense that I wouldn't be dropping Ty Johnson this week. I mean, I still want to hold on and see how it. This was. You know, they were thrust into this situation. So I'm not going to. You know, if he was dropped on waivers, I'd still pick him up. That doesn't mean I would play him. But I think he is going to be the starting running back for an offense that I think is good. So we'll see.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm getting tired of waiting for this next player and his name's Robert woods and I don't. I. It's not going the right direction. The last three games for Robert woods, four targets, no reception. Seven targets, five receptions, two targets, two receptions. We're talking every week about Cooper Cup 200 yard games. Monster target numbers. Here's Robert woods, two for 36 in a game they dominated. What do you. Josh Reynolds caught a touchdown. What do you do with Robert Woods? Are you. I mean, is this full on bus declaration through eight weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Through eight weeks. He has, he has been. Yeah. I mean I.

[Andy Holloway]

No receiving touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I would Say, through eight weeks, he's been a massive disappointment to the level that you. You could. You could throw the. The word bust out there. He's on pace right now for 942 yards and obviously, no, no receiving touchdown since he doesn't have any. That's not what we were hoping for at all. Certainly not what I was hoping for, not what I was expecting. I still believe, like, to me, I don't think this is the new Robert woods, that he's going to never score touchdowns and not be targeted. Especially we don't know what's going on with Brandon Cooks and how much time he's going to miss.

[Mike Wright]

So now they do have the bye week coming up. So that will help Brandon Cooks.

[Jason Moore]

True, true. So, you know, yeah, you're certainly disappointed, but what are you going to do? I mean, maybe you move him to the position on your roster where you're completely willing to bench him, put in, you know, a Robbie Anderson over him and take a shot until things turn around. But I don't think you could trade him for anything. I certainly don't believe you could or should cut him. I think.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I think it's about appropriating value differently in your brain so that you're willing to, you know, flex. A better Marvin Jones matchup versus a Robert woods is in there every week. It's just. It sucks.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Odell Beckham Jr. 5 for 52 on seven targets against the. You know, he plays for the Cleveland Nick Chubbs. Is he broken, too?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Odell Beckham, this is. We talked about him in depth.

[Mike Wright]

I'm 5 for 52 and I know he's this. That's considered a bad week against the Patriots. I don't think that's terrible. If you were playing him, you were hoping, certainly hoping for more, but I'll take the five for 52. They get Denver next week.

[Andy Holloway]

Is he a wide receiver? Two to you.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

You have to downgrade him.

[Andy Holloway]

Ty Hilton 2 for 54 on 6 targets was covered by Chris Harris all game long. Has Pittsburgh, Miami, Jacksonville coming up off game for Hilton.

[Jason Moore]

Super off game. And he had a relatively long bomb right at the end of the game.

[Andy Holloway]

That was quite the comeback by Jacoby Brissette.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

After a rough game, Chris Godwin 4 for 43 on eight targets. Disappointing week. More stinkers. Terry McLaurin, Larry Fitzgerald. You know, Kenan Allen's in here as a stinker. I think that's. I mean, fighting through injury for eight targets, seven catches, 53 yards against Chicago again, you know, 68% of snaps is a pretty good game for the workload he got. Big disappointment, Kenny Bills.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm not playing that drop for him until he does something.

[Jason Moore]

This is what I'm talking about. This, this is, this is the least stinky week we've had, right? Lev Bell, Robert Woods, Odell Beckham. But like these aren't, these aren't massive, massive busts from the stars. I'm proud, I'm proud of the NFL this week. I just want to say National Football League, like good job, man. Good work. This week.

[Andy Holloway]

Kenny Stills was on the field 96.4% of snaps. He ran 46 routes, both identical to DeAndre Hopkins. But I saw him have a drop. He just seemed to not be involved. It's disappointing.

[Jason Moore]

It is disappointing. I would still be willing to play him as with the same expectation he's got Jacksonville. Obviously having DeAndre Hopkins means you're never, ever, ever going to see the toughest opponent across the field. And you know Kenny Stills, very similar to Will Fuller is a boom bust player. Right. You're going to have to take the bad games in order to get the big blow up games.

[Andy Holloway]

The bad with the bad for Kenny still.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean you could make the argument that, look, Will Fuller was bad 6 out of 7 games and now he's inheriting that role, which is not. Maybe it's just not that good.

[Andy Holloway]

Kiki qt getting the bench, all that preseason hype, all the injuries they added up to depth. Chart change. Tight end, Stinkers, Zachary Ertz. Jason takes a deep breath.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

He looks longingly into the sky remembering the trade he made to acquire Zach Ertz in our league of record.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, it's not been great. Another Goddard touchdown. This is what we were talking about is the real upside that has been taken away from Zach Ertz is the touchdown opportunities. Because the truth is other teams are still focused on Zach Ertz because he is, you know, the primary target or a primary target for the Eagles and that's where they can sneak out. I mean they're smart. You know, this is an intelligent offense and they know that they're going to be able to get Dallas Goddard open in the end zone easier than they can get Zach Ertz open in the end zone. And until defenses flip, the upside for Zach Ertz is really limited in the targets. I mean, four targets this game. Gross.

[Andy Holloway]

The worry is real, Mike.

[Mike Wright]

Oh yes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I talked about my concern weeks ago for Zach Ertz of you can still play him 2 for 20. That sucks. But the yardage has been there. The touchdowns are not there for Zach Ertz. He's still a weekly play, but a guy you drafted as the third or the fourth tight end off the board in the early rounds, you got to change how you think about it.

[Andy Holloway]

So he has Chicago a bye week in New England. Are you. If you own Zach Ertz, are you looking towards streaming options and considering them?

[Mike Wright]

No, no, I'll still play Ertz.

[Jason Moore]

The other. I mean, when you're talking about streaming right now, there aren't great options out there. Now, maybe your league didn't pick up Joni Smith. That's the only name that I could think of that might be out there. Maybe you want to pick him up for the upcoming bye week in hopes that Delaney Walker continues missing time. But outside of that, I mean, there just aren't really streamable options out on waivers that would ever be good enough. Like, you. You can. You can look at some matchups, look at a good opponent and say, okay, I'm going to play this guy, because I think he's got the best chance at a touchdown. But to play that guy over Zach Ertz, I just can't imagine doing that.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. Some other sinkers at the tight end position. Hunter Henry didn't have a big game. Greg Olson, 2 for 13.

[Mike Wright]

Gerald Everett and saw the snaps deplete, which is very bizarre.

[Andy Holloway]

48%. That's not good.

[Mike Wright]

No. When Brandon Cooks went out right at the very beginning of the game, it seemed like, okay, Gerald Everett will get involved. But then it was Josh Reynolds time.

[Jason Moore]

Jimmy Graham, only 3 for 20 on five targets, but he had one target that I couldn't. I just couldn't believe. Down the right sideline, full sprint, nine route. And this wasn't like a Hail Mary. This was just. That was the play they called. And I was like, wait, who's 80? Wait, that's Jimmy Graham. Why is he. Why is he trying. And go. Go figure. The ball was overthrown because it's like, he would.

[Andy Holloway]

He did have him beat. He had the defender beat.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, sure, ball could have dropped.

[Andy Holloway]

Into his hands there, and that would have been a big game.

[Jason Moore]

But it was. It was. I guess it's a. You should say it's impressive to see and good for fantasy owners that have to start Graham. But also, I was surprised.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, that was the Angels in the.

[Mike Wright]

In the end zone.

[Andy Holloway]

In the end zone.

[Jason Moore]

Angels in the end zone were like, wait, is Jason going up against Jimmy Graham? No. All right, slow him down.

[Mike Wright]

Blow it away.

[Andy Holloway]

Stinkers of the Week presented by Odor Eaters. Odor Eaters. The best in foot odor defense. I have one other player I want to ask you about before we close this thing out.

[Mike Wright]

Excellent.

[Andy Holloway]

Devin Singletary. Oh yeah, Talk to me about Devin Singletary. He had a touchdown reception in this game. But when Frank Gore lingers in the doorway, does he have hope over the second half? I mean, we talked a lot about David Montgomery. Devin Singletary have a second half opportunity here. We've talked about the Bills.

[Mike Wright]

He certainly does. But nine opportunities, three rushes, six targets.

[Jason Moore]

He.

[Mike Wright]

If he didn't get the touchdown, you're. We're not even having this discussion. He's an interesting player. His ceiling is capped by Frank Gore continuing to be Frank.

[Jason Moore]

I'm in.

[Mike Wright]

I think he should be on your bench.

[Andy Holloway]

But Montgomery or Singletary rest of season?

[Mike Wright]

Montgomery.

[Jason Moore]

I would go Montgomery because of literally his namesake. The opportunity that he has is greater than the opportunity that, you know, Singletary has. But if you look at what Singletary did through, you know, the year, he was, he was more involved as the year went in last week, 33% snaps. This last week, 68% of snaps. They're going to get him more involved. And we talked about the schedule coming up. You know, the Washington Redskins, Browns, Dolphins. I think Singletary is a guy that, you know. I'd much rather have Singletary and his poor opportunity than Mark Walton, who's going to be the starter for a bad Dolphins team.

[Andy Holloway]

If you play in a keeper league and you're navigating the trade deadline, keep guys like Devin Singletary and David Montgomery in your mind because maybe two or three, four player keeper leagues. I traded Alshon Jeffrey for Devin Singletary in one of our keeper leagues just in case Singletary breaks out over the back half. Those are the type of young players that you can pick up on the cheap and may provide opportunities as a keeper. Should I be reacting to your face? Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Sucky. Suck, suck. Breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

It's not fantasy.

[Jason Moore]

It is fantasy relevant because I've been telling everybody out there, breaking news.

[Mike Wright]

That's fair.

[Jason Moore]

So the last couple weeks I've been telling everybody and I have been doing this. Brooks can attest how I was adamant when we were talking waiver wires because he's the co owner. I should really. Brooks, how are you doing with all of our bad beats? Because you are a part of this team.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm fine, man.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you've got a stronger will than I, man.

[Andy Holloway]

He does not care about your team.

[Mike Wright]

He always tells me this is Jason's fault. Right?

[Jason Moore]

It was But I've been telling everybody, pick up the jets defense. Their schedule is awesome. They're going to be a Patriots light. And unfortunately, C.J. mosley has got re injured and is going to be out several weeks. And now the breaking news is that the jets traded Leonard Williams to the Giants. So the defense that I, you know, we really want to stream on, all these great matchups crumbling. Yeah. They're losing two of their best players. It stinks.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Yeah. And then Sam Darnold, a little loose with the football. Short fields for the opposition. A little bit scary. Want to thank today's studio sponsor, Pristine Auction. Nice pick here, Brooks A. David Montgomery signed Mini Helmet, Bears Helmet, $33 yesterday at pristineauction.com Use the registration code [e-mail] to browse hundreds of daily sports memorabilia auctions, every single one of them authentically certified autographs. Browse your favorite team. We'll be back tomorrow with some waiver wire picks. We'll try to piece Jason back together. Hopefully you're like, Monday night. I know it. Take care.

[Mike Wright]

See you tomorrow, everybody.

[Jason Moore]

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