Week 9 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Red Dead Dickson

Summary

Fantasy Footballers Podcast Summary
Episode: Week 9 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Red Dead Dickson
Release Date: November 5, 2018

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast, hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike "The Fantasy Hitman" Wright dissect Week 9 of the NFL season. They delve into the standout performers (Stud Muffins), emerging talents (Rising Stars), and the disappointing players (Poopers) that impacted fantasy leagues. Additionally, the trio addresses listener questions in the Mailbag section, providing tailored advice for various fantasy scenarios.

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Rewind: Weekend Game Recaps

The episode kicks off with the hosts sharing personal anecdotes, setting a lighthearted tone before diving into the weekend's football action. They discuss the implications of key player performances and injuries on fantasy outcomes.

• Jason Moore on Titans and Cowboys:
  "With fantasy football, plenty of people out there still have things riding on tonight... One has Corey Davis, one has Dion Lewis." [02:29]

• Andy Holloway on Injury Impacts:
  "Chris Carson sidelined for the second half with a thigh injury. Chris Ivory left with a shoulder injury." [07:01]

The hosts emphasize the cascading effects of injuries, such as A.J. Green's potential absence and its ripple effect on the Bengals' offense, highlighting the importance of depth in fantasy rosters.

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Stud Muffins: Top Performers of the Week

Drew Brees – Quarterback, New Orleans Saints
Andy Holloway champions Drew Brees as the NFL MVP, praising his consistent excellence and record-breaking performances.

• "He’s never won one. He’s like one of the best players in history to never win an MVP." [09:26]

Christian McCaffrey – Running Back, Carolina Panthers
Though not a breakout game, McCaffrey remains a top-tier fantasy asset due to his versatility and high usage.

• "Christian McCaffrey, big game. He was actually my number one ranked running back on the week." [13:42]

Aaron Jones – Running Back, Green Bay Packers
Andy highlights Jones' increasing yards per carry, signaling a potential breakout as he continues to shine in the Packers' offense.

• "Aaron Jones did not have the quote unquote breakout game, but he has whittled the yards down to a thin string and he is ready to break out." [28:09]

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Rising Stars: Emerging Fantasy Assets

Marquez Valdez-Scantling – Wide Receiver, Green Bay Packers
Andy and Jason identify Valdez-Scantling as a rising star, noting his deep threat capabilities and increased target share.

• "Marquez Valdez Scantling by far outside of DeVante Adams is the most talented receiver they have." [28:51]

Elijah McGuire – Running Back, New York Jets
Mike Wright praises McGuire's immediate impact after returning from IR, making him a valuable flex option, especially during bye weeks.

• "Elijah McGuire, running back for the New York Jets... he just played 50% of the snapshots and had a positive game script." [34:08]

O.J. Howard – Tight End, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jason Moore commends Howard for his consistent performance and reliability, making him a staple for fantasy tight end positions.

• "O.J. Howard has been doing great this season... he's drafted to be one of the best type of tight ends." [33:03]

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Poopers: Disappointing Players of the Week

Mark Ingram – Running Back, New Orleans Saints
Ingram struggled with limited production, raising concerns about his role and future availability for fantasy teams.

• "Mark Ingram, 9 for 33... he doesn't have, you know, he had a bad fumble." [41:02]

Kirk Cousins – Quarterback, Minnesota Vikings
Andy critiques Cousins' inconsistent performance, particularly highlighting his recent low-output game against Detroit.

• "Kirk Cousins is averaging 20 fantasy points a game, which is good enough for 21st in our league format... he’s hurting you the remaining seven games." [36:24]

Devante Parker – Wide Receiver, San Francisco 49ers
Parker's downturn in targets led to disappointing fantasy outputs, further compounded by defensive pressures.

• "Devante Parker went the way of the one for eight, which was crazy." [48:43]

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Mailbag: Listener Questions Answered

Question 1: Anthony in Long Island
Anthony is down eight and a half points in a half-point per reception league. Should he start Corey Davis or Amari Cooper in his Dallas debut?
Advice: Jason Moore and Andy Holloway recommend starting Amari Cooper.

• Jason Moore: "Cooper." [50:50]
• Andy Holloway: "I side with Cooper as well. At home. They want to feed him." [50:57]

Question 2: Chris in Baltimore
Chris needs 1.1 points to win his match. Gronk is out. Which tight end should he play in Monday Night Football?
Advice: The hosts suggest pivoting to available tight ends like Jeff Herndon or Blake Jarwin, considering the limited production from other options.

Question 3: Bryce in Tampa
Should Bryce choose Andy Dalton or Carson Wentz for the rest of the season?
Advice: Andy Holloway advises selecting Carson Wentz, citing injury concerns with Dalton.

• Andy Holloway: "That's Carson Wentz for me. With the injuries and with Golden Tate." [53:57]

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Conclusion

The Fantasy Footballers provide comprehensive analysis for Week 9, equipping listeners with valuable insights to optimize their fantasy teams. From identifying top performers and emerging talents to cautioning against underperformers, the hosts ensure players are well-informed for strategic decision-making. Engaging discussions, coupled with practical advice, make this episode a must-listen for fantasy enthusiasts aiming to gain an edge in their leagues.

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Notable Quotes:

• Andy Holloway: "He’s never won one. He’s like one of the best players in history to never win an MVP." [09:26]

• Jason Moore: "O.J. Howard has been doing great this season... he's drafted to be one of the best type of tight ends." [33:03]

• Andy Holloway: "Kirk Cousins is averaging 20 fantasy points a game, which is good enough for 21st in our league format... he’s hurting you the remaining seven games." [36:24]

• Jason Moore: "He looks like the best running back there... but I mean, he's super valuable." [30:43]

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast transcript provided.

Transcript

[Andy Holloway]

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[Jason Moore]

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast coming to you from Draft.com Studios with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

[Andy Holloway]

Ow.

[Mike Wright]

Michael Jackson over there.

[Andy Holloway]

That's how. That's how my morning started. Was that sounds like a toe.

[Jason Moore]

Stuffed toe. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

It's gotta be very close. I ran a 9 route straight into the coffee table.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, shins.

[Andy Holloway]

Drew blood. Yeah, on the shin. I'm telling you, if I was a soccer player or Jordan Matthews, I'd be out for the year. Oh, I. That's how my morning got started. So, you know, already a little under the weather and then got up and just shinned myself.

[Mike Wright]

The man's coming off, what, like, his best game of the year? It's on the bye week and you're taking pot shots at Matthews.

[Jason Moore]

He's gone. Jordan Matthews is coming off the best game. Oh, they traded for someone else to replace him. It doesn't matter. Fair enough. Fair enough.

[Andy Holloway]

In my defense, I also took pot shots at soccer players.

[Jason Moore]

I was proud of you for that. Yeah, but that's.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, that needs to be done.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome in to the Fantasy footballers podcast. Monday, November 5th. Studs and duds on the show. The rewind and rising stars. Our reaction to the weekend to the Sunday night game. We'll get you ready to go. We've got the Monday night game. Barn burner tonight, Tennessee, Dallas. We'll talk about.

[Mike Wright]

I had already moved on to next week.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fine.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I wish mentally I was like, man, that was a great weekend of football.

[Andy Holloway]

If you're not the Ezekiel LA owner, moving on is the appropriate expectation.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean, there's obviously with fantasy football, plenty of people out there still have things riding on tonight, like myself, Mike, who wins this situation? Two teams exactly tied. One has Corey Davis, one has Dion Lewis.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Wins that place.

[Andy Holloway]

I would certainly put my money on the Dion Lewis side because Corey Davis has had like one top 40 week all year. So that's why.

[Jason Moore]

That's my situation. I've got Dion Lewis, I got Corey Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

Wait, you have Dion.

[Jason Moore]

I do.

[Mike Wright]

All right, I'm taking Dion Lewis. Maybe with a. I'll give you the 25% chance over what Corey Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

Mamas, don't let your boys grow up to be dependent on the the Titans and the Cowboys. Look, I got some one liner reactions from the Foot Clan to the weekend. We've got Carry on. Nothing to see here.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I mean, this is Detroit. What happened?

[Andy Holloway]

Started Matthew Sackford.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Matthew Sack.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You got the cream of the crop.

[Jason Moore]

Obviously good.

[Mike Wright]

Feeling good.

[Andy Holloway]

Sutton is better than nothing, but not by much.

[Mike Wright]

Ain't got nothing on this Sutton.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, not great. Rob Gron out ski.

[Mike Wright]

That's my type of pun right there.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. D.J. needed more, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, he was really ruining my trifecta of the week of the rookie wide receiver. If he came because Traquan Smith came through. Marquez Valdez scantling came through. D.J. needed more.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

I mean, the problem was his. His fellow compadre Curtis Samuel kept stealing all my fantasy points.

[Andy Holloway]

That dude is really good at running laterally across the field. I've seen him do it multiple times this year. Duke Johnson, or as this listener puts it, Fluke Johnson. Fluke Johnson put up a big game against me. Dropped a Duke on my rival.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, that's. That works for this show.

[Andy Holloway]

John Frown. Yeah, John Frown. What a disappointing game that was. For Evan's sake. Yeah. Sorry, Mike Evans, owners. That was not what you wanted. And then Ed Dixon. Jason, you've got Red Dead Dixon.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, I love it.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. And then the rest of them weren't appropriate for the show with that Dixon.

[Mike Wright]

Red Dead Dixon.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike and I.

[Jason Moore]

If Vanette's stealing on my.

[Andy Holloway]

Of all the things. Of all the things that could happen. Nothing gave Mike and I more pleasure than trolling Jason about Ed Dixon's goose. I sent him a picture of a goose.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, yeah, that was a good one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that was a good goose picture.

[Jason Moore]

It was a great goose picture. My children loved it.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, well, you can find us on twitter@the ffballers. Don't forget footclangiveway.com you can win a Science Saquon Barkley jersey. That'll be ending soon. And a reminder, FootClan Vote.com.

[Jason Moore]

Mm.

[Mike Wright]

It's a day of the week that ends at Y. That's what I told people on the live stream.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

If you want to help us win the iHeartRadio podcast awards, you can go over there. You can vote every day, up to five times a day.

[Mike Wright]

I'm doing it right now.

[Jason Moore]

Click that. What does it Say, like cast four more votes. Four votes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And I understand, Jason, you got a lot of red dead redemption in this weekend. Is this true?

[Jason Moore]

That is true. My wife was out of town and so I told Mike this morning, should, you know, God forbid my wife pass on or leave me, I would be £600.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh.

[Jason Moore]

Because that's what the fast food and video game life.

[Andy Holloway]

So you went full, like high school Jason?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

College Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Single Jason.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

How are your kids?

[Jason Moore]

I have take care of three children. I have children. Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

She never told me I had to watch them. All right, let's get into the rewind.

[Jason Moore]

Weekly rewind.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. This wasn't Good news for A.J. green, owners. He is expected to miss at least a few games. According to Adam Schefter, he is consulting with a foot specialist to determine whether. Gulp. Surgery is on the table.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, well, Wasn't the specialist Dr. James Andrews?

[Andy Holloway]

No. Robert Anderson.

[Mike Wright]

Okay.

[Andy Holloway]

I thought I. James Andrews spends his time on knees, right?

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Not toes, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Well, head.

[Mike Wright]

Fair enough.

[Jason Moore]

Shoulders.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. You have a doctor for each of those, right?

[Jason Moore]

Knees and toes. Yeah. It's been a really bad year for the Bengals, health wise. I mean, you've lost mixing at times. You've lost Ross. Well, I mean, you always lose Ross.

[Andy Holloway]

You haven't found him.

[Jason Moore]

A.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Green, you didn't love it, but let's be honest here. John Ross off the buy. No. A.J. green. Is that a something to look at? Because, look, I know Tyler Boyd is going to get peppered with targets, but where does the does it come to, Usama, if Green's out? I mean, there has to be someone catching the ball and John Ross is next man up.

[Jason Moore]

I agree that, you know, it might be a slight bump up for Usama and Ross, but overall, I think it's just a huge hit for the offense. I think this hurts Andy Dalton. I think this could hurt pretty much everyone, including Mixon. Exactly.

[Andy Holloway]

Chris Carson sideline for the second half with a thigh injury. Chris Ivory left with a shoulder injury. By the way, if Carson misses time, Mike Davis.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Start him up.

[Jason Moore]

He looks like the best running back there. Like when I watch all three of them, Penny Carson and Mike Davis. And Carson's looked very good as well. But I. Other than running backwards after getting a first down and doing stupid things, so.

[Andy Holloway]

Much juice that he. He's dumb sometimes. He doesn't just take the three yards, but. Yeah, so. All right. The third ranked center in football, Broncos center Matt Paradis, suffered a fractured right fibula in week nine. So he's Going to miss time. And then there is a report this morning that Adam Schefter came out and said Hunter Henry has a chance to return to action next month. I don't know how interested we should be in him or not.

[Mike Wright]

Only if you have an IR spot that's not currently being used.

[Andy Holloway]

It's ironic because I had him on an IR spot for the entire year and just dropped him. But mostly based on reports previous to this saying, look, maybe the playoffs, like the NFL playoffs, not the fantasy playoffs. So. And we know Gronk, Sonny, Michelle, Stefan, Diggs, they all missed the game. No Geronimo, Allison, this past week, we'll keep you up to date on every injury as we head into week 10. Let's get into the stud muffins.

[Jason Moore]

This week's fantasy stud muffins.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's start with who I think is the NFL mvp, and that's Drew Brees.

[Mike Wright]

Oh.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, part of that is the whole political. Like, he's never won one. He's like one of the best players in history to never win an mvp.

[Mike Wright]

The old man.

[Andy Holloway]

So he gets an old man bump. But it was like happening to Kobe, something like that. Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Somehow Kobe just didn't have one. And they were like, okay, fine.

[Andy Holloway]

That's exactly how it feels.

[Mike Wright]

Fine.

[Andy Holloway]

25 for 36 for 346 and 4. Doesn't hurt that as well as breaking every efficiency record that he sets.

[Jason Moore]

Right. The previous year, smashing his own records.

[Andy Holloway]

But they've won seven straight games. They are now tied, you know, in the lost column with the Rams. And I think he's just playing outstanding. Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Pat Mahomes, Big Ben. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick in defeat, put up four touchdowns, also sucking for a.

[Mike Wright]

Majority of that game.

[Andy Holloway]

Welcome to garbage time. And the truth is, is they get down by a million, and then he turns the magic switch.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And then they brought it within, what, one score?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

That's how he fills up the meter.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right.

[Mike Wright]

Is by points against. Yes. It fuels him up. And then he hulks out.

[Andy Holloway]

I think the biggest surprise of those names is probably Big Ben going to Baltimore, having a pretty good game there, and looked like he was going to be out. He rushed for a touchdown, which gave him three on the day. And here the Steelers are at the top of the division.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. For Big Ben, it really was the rushing touchdown that put him over the. That made it like, oh, that's a great fantasy game. I mean, 240. What did he put up through the air? 270 and two. That's. That's better than I was expecting. Yes, but it was, it was the rushing touchdown that saved him.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And then there's been some rumors about John Harbaugh's job. It's just so. I don't know what there is to that. Kareem Hunt moving into running backs Cream Hunt is.

[Mike Wright]

He's nasty.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike just caught every time he got the ball. Mike just. I was sitting in the studio with him and Mike just goes, There's Mr. Nasty again. Mr.

[Jason Moore]

Nasty.

[Mike Wright]

Cause he's nasty.

[Andy Holloway]

He is nasty. He's one of my favorite players to watch. I mean, he is.

[Mike Wright]

Just hide your kids.

[Jason Moore]

You want to know what nasty.

[Andy Holloway]

He runs as angry as Marshawn runs.

[Jason Moore]

You want to know what's really cool about the Chiefs is genuinely. Pat Mahomes is one of my favorite players to watch if he's just by himself. Just watch. Kareem Hunt is one of my favorite players to watch just, you know, buy himself his runs. Travis Kelsey is one of my favorite players to watch just by himself if he's catching.

[Andy Holloway]

Andy Reid. My favorite coach to watch.

[Jason Moore]

So, Hood. Yeah. Was that Hard Knocks?

[Mike Wright]

It was Hard Knocks.

[Andy Holloway]

It was Dream Hunt. Monster game. Alvin Camara. Who do you want rest of the season? Hunter Camaro.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that's a great question. You know, I think I'm going to go with, with Hunt.

[Mike Wright]

Really?

[Jason Moore]

I mean, it's so close.

[Andy Holloway]

I'll take Camara.

[Jason Moore]

You still have. I mean, both guys are unbelievable. Both guys are in super high scoring offenses. The only difference that I see is that one of them can't lose the work in a certain game, script a certain game can't. You know, Spencer, where is not going to have a game where he just comes in and takes several of the goal line touchdowns and things like that. But I mean, I'm not trading one for the other. I don't like to lateral trade. Whoever you have you're happy with. I remember this was such a fun, great week of showing why stud running backs are important for fantasy. There was a stretch where it was just one three plays in a row in the NFL where it was a. It was an Alvin Camara touchdown and then Melvin Gordon touchdown and a Todd Gurley touched. It was just like, oh yeah, the big guys, they just always get touchdowns.

[Andy Holloway]

If I could trade Hunt for Camara, I'd do it in a heartbeat because you avoid a buy and you've got a better playoff schedule for the Saints. So those are two pieces.

[Jason Moore]

Absolutely. The bye week, if you're talking about the same caliber of player. Both great. Don't lose them for a week.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And Tampa, Carolina, Pittsburgh for Camara to finish the season seems a little better than Baltimore, the Chargers for Hunt. But I mean, look, you're splitting hairs. Both are great. How about this? Have both.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, what a great idea.

[Andy Holloway]

Find a way to get both.

[Jason Moore]

This is why you win title.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Christian McCaffrey, big game. He was actually my number one ranked running back on the week. Ended up with two goal line carries. Sometimes those go to Cam, they didn't.

[Mike Wright]

Sometimes they go to the fullback.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. That's the funny thing about it is you had two other carries from the one that didn't go to McCaffrey, but he was dominant.

[Jason Moore]

Cam pulled out a decent day by the end, but it was so frustrating. You know, his Cam was super highly rated by just about everybody. When in that game they're up like 30 to nothing in the blink of an eye. And Cam Newton, like everything was a long run.

[Mike Wright]

Right?

[Jason Moore]

And it's like, what? Come on, Cam.

[Andy Holloway]

James White, Cordero, Patterson.

[Mike Wright]

Hey, hey, Patterson.

[Andy Holloway]

That was fun. A lot of that production came when James White left the field with an injury and Patterson came in and ran like. Like the dickens monster he is. Devin Coleman, James Connor, Duke Johnson. Fluke Johnson. Is it a fluke for Duke?

[Mike Wright]

Here's what we had talked about for Duke. Johnson was the new oc. He keeps it hot because he's Freddy Kitchens. It's always hot in the kitchen. We had talked about. He's from the Bruce Arian system. The. Do you guys remember what did Arians call that? It's something like running gun, but it had to do with how a lot.

[Andy Holloway]

Of vertical passing game.

[Mike Wright]

No fullback, but they utilize passing to the running back a lot. Now game script certainly helped that they were playing against the Chiefs and they really needed to catch up. But this is a very positive sign that Duke Johnson was actually being utilized. And it was in the passing work. I mean, he got one carry. Who cares about that? It's the targets.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. Last season Duke Johnson in PPR leagues was a running back one everyone forgets because he doesn't get the carries. It's all in the passing game. He is uber talented there and it's not going away. He's going to put up back to back great weeks. It's not going to be a fluke next week. Atlanta is his matchup. They're going to. They're going to score on him and you're going to have to dub it off to Duke again.

[Mike Wright]

I will chase Those points with Duke this week.

[Andy Holloway]

Interesting, interesting. I wish last week I was laughing on the show about picking up Austin Eckler and the opportunity I had to find a running back. And so that if Austin Eckler hadn't been dropped, I wouldn't have picked him up and Duke Johnson was in my lineup and I would have won my game.

[Jason Moore]

That would have been.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fantasy football for you. Austin Eckler was disappointing.

[Jason Moore]

Well, you've got him next week. You can take a healthy Duke against Atlanta.

[Andy Holloway]

No, I get Saquon and mixing back, so I think I'll be all right. Melvin Gordon, he was back in a big way and looked fine. I mean that was the important thing coming off the injury. 16 for 113 and a touchdown. And then Jordan Howard. What are those Harry Potter characters? The ones that suck the souls out of people?

[Jason Moore]

Dementors.

[Andy Holloway]

Dementors, right. I've seen these movies. Right. The Dementors are haunting. Jordan Howard did a soul sucking move on all Tariq Cohen owners this week. Yeah, two touchdowns. Tariq Cohen basically was a crystalid invisible, just frozen.

[Jason Moore]

This is another game where it's 30 to nothing in the blink of an eye. Buffalo didn't show up, the Bears did. And at that point when you're just clock killing and doing that, you know you're not down.

[Andy Holloway]

But it doesn't. Nobody sat Cohen. That's the problem.

[Mike Wright]

Well, it was.

[Andy Holloway]

You expect. You normally count on those guys and you say, hey, maybe they're the ones that get me that 30 point lead.

[Mike Wright]

Two defensive scores will destroy all fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

Output for an offense and is somehow too, too few for Nathan Peterman. He likes to get that up to four.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, maybe next week, buddy.

[Jason Moore]

I wonder how many touchdown passes Buffalo Bills quarterbacks have thrown to their team versus the other team. How close?

[Andy Holloway]

I guarantee you that the pick sixes exceed the total touchdown passes by the quarterbacks.

[Jason Moore]

I guess it's easier.

[Mike Wright]

That's a very good question.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm almost positive.

[Jason Moore]

We got to research that baby.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. All right, wide receivers. Hello. Michael Thomas. Yeah, he was already having a monster game over 100 yards when he put up a 72 yard touchdown. Help. Drew Brees out there. Adam Humphries.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, it's pronounced with an Umphries.

[Andy Holloway]

8 for 82 and 2 on 8 targets. It seemed to be what the opposing team was giving him.

[Mike Wright]

Let's talk about soul sucking.

[Andy Holloway]

Adam Humphries, if you own D Jacks.

[Mike Wright]

Was the bane of all fantasy players. Because look, I'm sure there's a few people out There. That played Humphreys.

[Andy Holloway]

And this was, like, pronounced with an Humphreys.

[Mike Wright]

Thank you. This is, like, the best win you've ever gotten because you're. You called your shot that Humphreys was going to have a good game, but he's Evans nothing. We have Djax, basically nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

We have one of our people that work here in the office. He has a 5 and 2 record in our dynasty league, and his team is the worst team of all that you've ever visually seen. Like, if you're. The optics are bad.

[Mike Wright]

They were five and three.

[Andy Holloway]

Five and three. So this week I played him, and his team is terrible. And he left Adam Humphries on his bench. Whoopsie. So he could have had that surprise game. Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins. Brandon Cook.

[Jason Moore]

How dare you? How dare you, sir?

[Andy Holloway]

I didn't skip them. I'm just. They're lumped together.

[Mike Wright]

No, no, no.

[Andy Holloway]

Choose what you want to say about him.

[Mike Wright]

You cannot lump Julio Jones in. We must celebrate.

[Jason Moore]

Yes. Celebrate. Good times.

[Andy Holloway]

Touchdown first.

[Mike Wright]

It was right there, James.

[Andy Holloway]

First touchdown since, what, week 12 of last year?

[Mike Wright]

Since forever. All you had to do seven years.

[Andy Holloway]

It was hard to get in there.

[Jason Moore]

If you didn't see the play. The entire Falcons came together and celebrated like they just won a Super Bowl. And I thought Julio was going to cry. You could tell when he's staring at the ref going, did I get it? Did I get it? And the ref put his hands up. He's like, yes, I've done it. What is this? How could. How can one of the best, if not the best wide receiver in the NFL I ever.

[Mike Wright]

I don't know, man.

[Andy Holloway]

Atlanta, I mean, it was inevitable.

[Jason Moore]

It started rioting in the streets. Atlanta.

[Andy Holloway]

Atlanta started, right. I almost traded Beckham for Julio a couple weeks ago because I just didn't believe it could keep going. Like, it's just impossible. You can't catch that many. He was pace for 1800 yards. Some of those yards cross that end zone. I mean, it's just inevitable. Brandon cooks. Big game. Six four, one. 14. Revenge game.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

What do you make of Josh Gordon's game? 5 for 130 on 10 targets.

[Jason Moore]

I hate it. I mean, it's just a personal note because I was playing against him, looked like I had it locked down. He's like his hand was hurting. He had done very little on a lot of targets. I'm like, I got this in the bag.

[Andy Holloway]

That hurt you, too, baby Josh, right? Baby Josh is hiding over there. I can't see him. Are you even here? Oh, yeah, it hurt him. It hurt him.

[Jason Moore]

The targets were good, but I don't feel like Josh like watching this game, paying attention to it on a personal level. I didn't feel like he had a very good game outside of that one play.

[Mike Wright]

Except he did because that was a, that was a 55 yard touchdown. Right how far I was looking right at him.

[Jason Moore]

55.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, I think it was 55. Whatever.

[Andy Holloway]

It was a 22 yard.

[Mike Wright]

No, but, but I mean even if you remove that, he still had a nice yardage game. And this was the thing about Josh Gordon. They were taking so many shots to him. Eventually you knew the touchdowns were going to come. You just had to keep the faith.

[Andy Holloway]

Little flea flicker right off the bat to give him a deep shot. And after a couple runs, they went after him quick. Bills have three touchdowns to their team and three pick six.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, the race is on.

[Andy Holloway]

I understand that the PAC12 is interested in picking Buffalo up. Oh, no, no.

[Mike Wright]

I mean they're probably interested in that because they would dominate.

[Andy Holloway]

That would feel good.

[Mike Wright]

That would feel really good for them.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, man, that's my kind of gaming is.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's what you're the kid Rose versus. You would have gone. You wanted to enter the, the little league with your younger brother. Yeah, if I, you're the oldest on the team.

[Jason Moore]

I could go back right now and like join an eighth grade team.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, eighth grade. You're not even going high school.

[Jason Moore]

Well, high school guys, they're pretty big now.

[Andy Holloway]

They'd probably get you.

[Jason Moore]

They'd run. They'd run past me like gazelles.

[Andy Holloway]

But eighth grade, I mean, you shaved your face the other day. You could have passed for an eighth grader.

[Jason Moore]

I mean, I'll just block the heck out.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh my gosh. Laying out all the little ones Billy Madison style. Tight end. Oh, I think we got.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

Oh, very nice.

[Mike Wright]

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[Andy Holloway]

I can appreciate that.

[Mike Wright]

You either go custom or you go bust them.

[Andy Holloway]

No, no, no. I like this one. Yeah, the real one's much better.

[Mike Wright]

You guys suck.

[Andy Holloway]

Travis Kelsey did Travis Kelsey things. O.J. howard had a monster week. Two touchdowns.

[Jason Moore]

O.J.

[Andy Holloway]

Howard we'll talk about in a moment. We know about George Kittle on Thursday night, but Jeff, Jeff. Greg Olson. Six for 76 and a touchdown. Mike's tight end start of the week. Yeah, O.J. howard was my start. We did all right with tight ends.

[Mike Wright]

Yes, that came through.

[Andy Holloway]

But Jeff Hyerman. Yes, that's the one to talk about.

[Mike Wright]

He needs to be talked about because of the 11 targets and it was demarious. Thomas was shipped out of town. Where are those targets going to go? Well, we're only one week in and this could just be a complete fluke. But right now they're going to the tight end. I mean, he's, he's filling that void as the third pass catcher taking the, the underneath routes.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I think his target count will go up, but I don't want to overreact in this game because this is when you play against the Houston defensive line and J.J. watt and Jadavian Cloud, you, you have to have extra tight ends on the field and you've got to beat them. The commentators were talking about this in the game.

[Andy Holloway]

Screen passes they have to beat.

[Jason Moore]

You got to beat the pass rush by throwing to the tight end on those little screens to keep them honest. So I think there's a little bit of that going on with the target count here. I do think Hyruman will have, you know, an uptick from pre DT days, but it won't be this high.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I agree with that. Actually in Herndon, you know, and Hireman, they're in the same category as flyer tight ends for me. But you're right, I mean they're the best defensive line. They couldn't run against them. You know, Lindsey, who's averaging, you know, 5.7 a carry, was only 3.7 in this game, fighting through it, so.

[Jason Moore]

And then stupid Nick vanette.

[Andy Holloway]

Nick vanette. Six for 52 and a touchdown we, we had.

[Jason Moore]

You're stealing all Ed Dixon's work, bro.

[Mike Wright]

Just real quick on the wide receiver fronts. Did we talk about Keenan Allen?

[Andy Holloway]

No, but I should have. I was going to ask you, do you count this as a breakout when he didn't score?

[Mike Wright]

So 6 for 24.

[Andy Holloway]

6 for 1.

[Mike Wright]

124. Thank you. 6 for 124. He had 10 targets. He, he was taking shots deep. Yeah, the touchdown didn't come through. But is this the type of game that can jump start things for Keenan Allen or is this just part of the ebbs and flows?

[Jason Moore]

I feel like it was a breakout. I mean it was down the field routes that looked different to me. The targets high. I mean this was just really a slight step up over what he's been doing. He has not been bad, he's just been feeling bad without touchdowns. But yeah, I would say this was a great game. I don't know that it propels him to do more, but it just shows.

[Mike Wright]

That this is, it's like a lawnmower, man. I mean sometimes it takes a few pulls on the string, but then once, once the motor's going, it's, it's going.

[Jason Moore]

It was last year for Keenan and Rivers did throw two touchdowns, one to each of the Williams bros. Well, they're bigger.

[Andy Holloway]

Hey, that's not fair.

[Mike Wright]

If you got, if you got that Mike Williams touchdown, congratulations on your B.S.

[Andy Holloway]

Because he stepped out at least angry about that. Yeah, I mean we're in it with you foot clan because Mike was facing Mike Williams. That's the only reason that visceral is there.

[Mike Wright]

I was vitriol furious because that was garbage.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Rising stars of the week.

[Andy Holloway]

Unless you owned him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's why I said if you.

[Mike Wright]

Had him, congratulations on your fake touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

All right. My rising stars of the week. I'm going two pack because I make the rules. So it doesn't. I can do whatever I want. And it's Marquez Valdez Scanley, wide receiver for the Green Bay packers. And it is Aaron Jones, running back for the Green Bay Packers. Listen, Aaron Jones did not have the quote unquote breakout game, but he has whittled the bars down to a thin string and he is ready to break out. It is coming if you know. Look, Aaron Jones right now is averaging more yards per carry than anybody in football.

[Mike Wright]

I was just going to throw out. I'm looking at his game log. His. His game. The lowest yards per attempt in a single game he's had this year was 5.13.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and here's the thing about. I want to speak to this because your expectations need to be understood for both these guys and Marquez Valdez Scantling by far outside of Devonte Adams is the most talented receiver they have two contested catches down the field. Just missed on a couple deep plays. In fact, if he had over, if he had thrown the ball correctly on the first deep target, it's like a 60 yard touchdown to Marquez. But here's what I saw in that game and obviously you know, Jason brings up Jamal Williams. You have a very Lindsey Booker situation here where there are packages and you can see this if you go back and watch the game. There are packages where both Marquez Valdez Scantling and Aaron Jones leave the field together. And you know who comes in? Eq so Acronymia St Brown and Jamal Williams. So they have some sort of packages where they both leave the field and you get EQ some snaps and Jamal Williams some snaps. I'm not saying Williams is not valuable but Aaron Jones missed a touchdown again by a couple of yards breaking it through the middle and he is by far. These are two talents they have to use if they want to win.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. And it's really nice that the trade deadline is passed because you know the fumble that really changed everything in this game. He can't be stopped. He can't be Ty Montgomery.

[Andy Holloway]

He did fumble. You're dead on. That's correct. I think I want fumbles plus 5.1 for a carry.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

No over, no fumbles and two a carry.

[Jason Moore]

I don't mind Aaron Jones, despite the fact that, you know, he fumbled, it was devastating for the Packers. He was benched after that. I don't mind him being a start of the week because if you look at the snap counts, you look at the carry distribution, his arrow is pointing up for sure.

[Andy Holloway]

Most carries of the year, 14.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So I got no problem with that. I like it.

[Andy Holloway]

I think he's gonna get some targets, too. Now the time Montgomery's gone. You saw it a little bit last night. He was in those situations. Got a couple of catches. But I think it's interesting.

[Jason Moore]

He also did whiff hard on a really important pass protection. But he is a great running back.

[Andy Holloway]

You watch him with a critical, very critical eye.

[Jason Moore]

I think I do. Yeah. In fairness, I don't know why.

[Andy Holloway]

You agree.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

No, you do not. What did Jamal Williams do wrong last night?

[Jason Moore]

He was slow.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what play was that.

[Jason Moore]

All of them.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. My rising star.

[Andy Holloway]

He does not get to celebrate. He does not get on the bandwagon with. No, I'm kicking him in the face.

[Mike Wright]

You're not on.

[Andy Holloway]

With my cowboy boot. He's not on.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even.

[Andy Holloway]

He already tried to be on the past couple weeks. I've said forever. He's the best player.

[Jason Moore]

No, look, I don't want on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Whenever I'm taking my ball, I'm going home.

[Mike Wright]

Whenever I'm on a bandwagon, all are always welcome. Always. But not this time.

[Jason Moore]

No.

[Mike Wright]

Jason.

[Andy Holloway]

Jason can let Jamal Williams.

[Mike Wright]

You can hang out with Jamal Williams.

[Andy Holloway]

Enjoy yourself.

[Jason Moore]

Well, we'll have a blast.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, you guys, he runs like he has Jason on his back anyway.

[Mike Wright]

You're going to be in your little red wagon. We're in a Ferrari.

[Andy Holloway]

That's right. Thanks, Mike.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wright]

Aaron Jones time.

[Jason Moore]

Can I ask a question? Sure. How many successful fantasy games has Aaron Jones had so far on this wagon?

[Andy Holloway]

It's how many he ends this.

[Jason Moore]

Okay. Okay, good. I was just curious. My rising star.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to say three, though. I'm going to say three out of his six games.

[Jason Moore]

My rising star is O.J. howard, and obviously he's been doing great this season. The reason I'm making him my rising star is because I think the level up is complete and I'm not afraid of the Ryan Fitzpatrick you know, we've been talking about. Okay. He's. He's so much better when he's got Winston who hyper targets the tight ends. Ryan Fitzpatrick has a history of really throwing two Wide receivers. And it is true, his. The game splits right now between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jameis Winston. They're better with Winston, but they're still over 11 points a game in PPR with Fitz Magic.

[Andy Holloway]

He's scoring so much. I mean, he's just scoring.

[Jason Moore]

Clear cut, number one tight end. And he was drafted to be a. He was drafted to be a. One of the best type of tight ends in the league where you can.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a hundred snap type of guy.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, you can run block better than anybody. You can, you know, nobody can cover you because you can catch the ball. Nobody could tackle you because you're, you.

[Andy Holloway]

Know, Jamal Williams size.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, exactly. So I, you know, O.J. howard, to me, is a star in the making if you have.

[Andy Holloway]

So what tight ends, what tight ends would you want over him right now?

[Jason Moore]

Over him? Obviously you'd take Kelsey Ertz then. I think I would probably Kittle. Kittle is above him, but he's basically in about that same tier.

[Mike Wright]

I agree.

[Jason Moore]

Greg Olson, if he's healthy, but Greg Olson carries that risk. So he's a little bit lower. I think it's basically O.J. howard. 4.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. I don't disagree. I don't have a lot of guys I don't want over him. I still think Gronk, if you can get back healthy, he's gonna make an end of year.

[Jason Moore]

I completely forgot about that guy. Yeah, yeah. Gronk out. Ski.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Mike, who's your rising star?

[Mike Wright]

My rising star. This one's not a barn burner, but at this point, you got to get help wherever you can get it. I want to talk about Elijah McGuire, running back for the New York jets. Came off of the IR, was activated immediately, came in and played 50 port 54% of the snapshot compared to Isaiah Crowell, who was. He's been their guy. And it was a positive game script for Crowell. But Crowell was only in on 34% of the snaps. The game went to Elijah McGuire. He only had the 10 touches, but he went right into the Bilal Powell role and blah Powell in his time, he was just down. Just outside of the fringe of being a running back, too. That's why he said this isn't a barn burner, but this is a running back you can pick up, you can play in the bye weeks, which they're still going on.

[Andy Holloway]

Yep.

[Mike Wright]

You can play them in the flex. Like the fact that this game was close and they went to McGuire so heavily.

[Andy Holloway]

I was really, really hesitant about your endorsement of McGuire last week. I had to like, put two hands over my mouth, not to object to it on the air, but I didn't because my hesitation was based around the injury and I just wanted to. I wanted to listen to what you said because there was a chance he was healthier than we thought and apparently he was. So kudos to you that call. McGuire looks interesting, right?

[Jason Moore]

He looks interesting. It is worth noting. It is worth noting next week against Buffalo, which, you know, Jordan Howard was fine, but Buffalo's defense has been okay, and then that follows that with a bye week. So it's not the best next week.

[Andy Holloway]

All right, let's get into the poopers.

[Jason Moore]

Pooped in his big boy pants.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm sure our friends at Fantasy Champs wouldn't like their name being brought up right after pooped in their big boy pants. But that previous Rising Stars segment was brought to you by Fantasy Champs. You can get fantasy trophies, jerseys, rings, that type of stuff. Let's start here because I've done some research here. Kirk Cousins, 18 for 22 for only 164 and one one pick in this game, played Detroit. Now I'm facing Mike this next week and Mike has been a Kirk Cousins starter all year long. Now Kirk is on the buy and I told Mike, I said, I think this is a blessing in disguise for you. I looked into these numbers. Okay. Kirk Cousins is the number three going to this week. He's the number three fantasy quarterback on this season.

[Mike Wright]

In our league.

[Andy Holloway]

In our league.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yes. It's small variance, but yes. The point is that he's been. His total numbers are very, very good. If you take. Now you can't take. He gives you the chance of the 40 point game. Right. He's played nine games. He said two in the upper 40s in our league format. If you remove those two games, his seven other games, he's averaging 20 fantasy points a game, which is good enough for 21st in our league format. So if you didn't get the two big ones or if you got those, he's actually hurting you the remaining seven games. So it's a little bit of that.

[Jason Moore]

It's very Cam Newton Y from every year except this one.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. Where it's a little surprising. And the thing about Cousins is you haven't been able to predict when this happens. Yesterday was his worst game of the year statistically in terms of fantasy production, and it came against Detroit.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

You know, a game that you thought was going to be okay. Now, you didn't have Stefan Diggs and.

[Mike Wright]

They also didn't really need their offense.

[Andy Holloway]

This is true.

[Mike Wright]

But I think that for, but the way, the way I saw the game unfold, I'm not arguing with you about Kirk Cousins has, has been very mediocre except for those two games where he inflated his numbers. But if you watching the game, Detroit could do nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

But this was the problem with Kirk Cousins before the season. Yeah, this was the objection. You don't, you never say Pat. I mean how many times have the Chiefs needed their offense this year?

[Jason Moore]

Every game.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, the point is even when they're up by 100, we don't make the Pat Mahomes to put some numbers right. So they've won more games by a wider margin than just about anybody in football. But the strategic, you know, situation between Zimmer and Andy Reid gives a higher variance to Kirk Cousins fantasy output.

[Mike Wright]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

And so they can get on top early and they can soak up some more clock in Minnesota where it still seems to be high flying fun for Kansas City. And obviously the Minnesota defense is much better than Kansas City's. But I'm just. It doesn't mean any. You're not dropping Kirk Cousins, right? I wouldn't play him on the bye.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. So solid.

[Andy Holloway]

But he would have similar production to this past week.

[Jason Moore]

No, I agree. We talked about this before the season and we looked back at Case Keenan when he had a great year. He had so many good games but the games he didn't have good games weren't because it was because the team won and they won on defense. And he'd throw the ball 20 times. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 22 times. And you know, unless you're having those crazy hyper efficient DeSean Watson touchdown games, that volume is not going to get it done. And you're going to have more of these with Kirk Cousins, I think you need to downgrade him to a, you know, to a matchup play. You need to play them against another team that you're confident could score on the Vikings. And keep in mind the Vikings defense, it's starting to shape up.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it's getting better.

[Jason Moore]

Their defense did not look great to start the year. But right now, and especially coming off the bye when Xavier Rhodes will be a little bit healthier, you know, I think their defense is looking scary.

[Andy Holloway]

Wasn't a huge fan of Mitch Trubisky this week. He had a bad game. 12 for 20 for 135 and one again the defense scored twice. It disrupts everything when that happens. Time of possession, opportunities to score and the need to score. Matthew Stafford sacked 10 times.

[Mike Wright]

Every single time they were in the red zone and he would drive back to pass, you felt like he would.

[Andy Holloway]

Lose 10, 15 yards.

[Jason Moore]

It's a shame that the trade deadline is.

[Andy Holloway]

They need a golden tape.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say they should go after that golden tape guy. I mean it really looked like they missed him big time. He did not have a clear cut first read to go to that he was comfortable with. And you know, I guess what are you doing?

[Andy Holloway]

I mean, what are you doing Detroit? Why are you trading Golden Tate?

[Jason Moore]

What's crazy about that? And maybe I don't get it, maybe I've got it wrong. Right. They're going to lose him in the off season. So they want to get something for him. But is it's my understanding that if they would have lost him, they probably would have got a third round compensatory draft pick.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah. Based on the. Based on if they bring anybody in in the contract. I mean things like that.

[Andy Holloway]

They're three and four when they make the trade. But your division leaders were at four and three at that point. So you're like a game out of a first place tie. It just seems strange to me because.

[Mike Wright]

Sometimes you look in the mirror and you see who you really are and you just accept it.

[Andy Holloway]

That's what it seems to be. That's what it seems to be. All right, running back poopers. There were plenty that disappointed you. Yeah, Adrian Peterson, big time.

[Mike Wright]

That one was shocking bad.

[Jason Moore]

Only nine carries.

[Andy Holloway]

This is. Why didn't you just endorse someone up against Atlanta next week like you said Duke Johnson. I'm going to chase Duke against Atlanta.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason Moore]

Well, the thing is the past catching running backs are who are really valuable against Atlanta. You know that. That's why, you know, I was making the somewhat case for Capri Bibs this last week. You know those pass catchers. Atlanta is terrible against them.

[Andy Holloway]

Tariq Callin, six carries, five yards, one catch for eight yards. Faces Detroit, Minnesota, Detroit the next three games. Do you just chalk this one up to defensive scores and problems and then you get Detroit next week at home and we roll them back out there. I would got to make a call here. Mike Jason, Mark Ingram, 9 for 33.

[Jason Moore]

And fumbled, didn't he?

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, I saw somebody wrote a. One of their puns was mark ing ram it up the middle and gained no yards.

[Mike Wright]

It's not bad.

[Andy Holloway]

Not great though. Yeah, nine for 33 though. And here's the thing, he doesn't have, you know, he had a bad fumble. Alvin Camara is another tier above him in talent in all capacities. He's a better pass catcher. He seems to be a better goal line back. He's a better between the tackles runner. He has big playability that Ingram doesn't seem to have right now. And Ingram is an impending free agent. We all hoped the Mark Ingram would come back and be the Mark Ingram of last year.

[Mike Wright]

Right.

[Andy Holloway]

But now what is he. Because he's killing people. I have especially on the bye weeks.

[Mike Wright]

He. The way I am looking at him moving forward is he has a low end running back to. But he at least carries some upside. I mean he's. His snap percentage has been consistent. So it wasn't a drop in snaps. He just had lost opportunities this week. Instead of the double digit carries and a couple more receptions, his touch total went down.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, yeah. I realized this was a putrid game out of Ingram and you know, it didn't work. Well, I'm still not off of Ingram from this. Like you said, the snap percentage has been there. The offense is there.

[Andy Holloway]

Mark Ingram or Matt Breida rest of season because Breida. No, most are.

[Jason Moore]

I would still take Mark Ingram.

[Mike Wright]

I would take Burrito even with the injury risk.

[Andy Holloway]

Okay. All right, let's move on to carry on 12 for 37. Lamar Miller. Oh, Lamar Miller. Mike and I were. Our eyes were rolling in the back of our heads because he was out touch after two straight 100 yard games. He was out touched by Alfred Blue 16 to 15. And the quote from Bill O'Brien was essentially we don't want to run him into the ground like we've done in years past. So you. They snuck a win out against Denver, but it was. If you can't predict that type of thing, that hurts. I mean, Lamar Miller, it was super. 12 for 21. Kenyan Drake, terrible game.

[Mike Wright]

Whereas Gore is infinite.

[Andy Holloway]

Had 20 carries.

[Jason Moore]

20 carries. Well, I mean he was, he was just tearing it up. You got to keep giving that guy the ball.

[Andy Holloway]

That was a weird game though.

[Jason Moore]

To 2.6 yards.

[Mike Wright]

It was a weird game.

[Andy Holloway]

The bad field. Maybe they felt more confident just given Gore the ball on the bad field and you know, they, they want it so. But yes. Kenyan Drake, 3 for 9, 4 for 26. A lot of these players, Cohen, Peterson, Drake, Miller, who have all been on fire, slowed down this week, they. They were all constipated and they had to let one go. All right. Isaiah, Cruella included. 13 for 49.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

Has Buffalo next week. That's been brought up. And then carry on with Riddick back and Riddick getting set. What Seven carries or is it seven catches? Brooks, Is that seven carries or seven catches?

[Jason Moore]

That's seven catches on eight targets.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, that's a problem.

[Mike Wright]

Carry on.

[Jason Moore]

That was the problem because Detroit was down, they had to throw the ball and Theo was back and he took over that role again.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, Carry on saw his snaps drop almost about 30% from, from two weeks ago.

[Andy Holloway]

That's trash.

[Mike Wright]

It's a big problem.

[Andy Holloway]

Big problem.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. I mean, when I, when I look at the future of Carry on and I, you know, in a dynasty league format, I'm excited because we know Legare Blunt. He's. Look, even if he's for some reason comes back next year, he's going to be nothing. Carry on will take over that role. But it's really Theo Riddick that is the problem. He's the guy you've got to get rid of because Carry on is so capable in that pass catching role and they're not using him while Theo is there.

[Andy Holloway]

They should have included. They should have thrown Theo in with the Tate bonus, with the Tate deal, because we know that Philadelphia could use a running back.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

And that would have been nice.

[Mike Wright]

Theo is under contract for next year and he's super cheap, so I don't think he's going anywhere.

[Andy Holloway]

Do you believe that we've reached the stage, you know, the Foot Clan supporting us. The show's very, you know, influential now. Do you think we can put in calls to these GMs and they'll listen to us?

[Mike Wright]

Probably.

[Andy Holloway]

Brooks.

[Jason Moore]

I don't even think we need to call them. We know they're listening to the podcast.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, tips from us.

[Jason Moore]

You don't know.

[Andy Holloway]

It would be smart. It would be super smart.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, yeah. Except everything is. You only need one running back on your team.

[Jason Moore]

Yes.

[Andy Holloway]

All of our.

[Mike Wright]

It's like the. Do you remember the commercial with Breeze where he was at the fantasy school and they're like, okay, what do you do on this play, Drew? Go long, go deep.

[Jason Moore]

That's right.

[Mike Wright]

Everything.

[Jason Moore]

You go deep.

[Andy Holloway]

You're darn right. Wide receivers that poop their pants. Mike Evans, desean Jackson, Chris Godwin, also known as Non Adam Humphries. A total of five catches between the three of them, mind you. Five catches on 17 targets. That is a quarterback problem.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah, it certainly was.

[Jason Moore]

I, they, I. One would say that Tampa has a quarterback problem big time. In general.

[Mike Wright]

Big time.

[Andy Holloway]

Do they have a, like a system where they can take both guys and like, melt them down into one?

[Mike Wright]

Put them in a pod chamber like the fly.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah. And just create one guy I actually.

[Jason Moore]

Think they are the same.

[Andy Holloway]

I was gonna say, if you combine them, do you know how many interceptions you would have?

[Jason Moore]

If you combine them, you'll just have the exact same player. A guy who's gonna throw a ton of picks a throw a ton of deep balls. I mean, the thing is, for fantasy is just fine for fantasy.

[Andy Holloway]

As far as the quarterback, I'm picturing Jameis Winston with a big old beard now, though.

[Jason Moore]

Oh, that would be awesome.

[Mike Wright]

Jameis, grow the beard.

[Andy Holloway]

That's your only chance. You got to trick them into the fact you're Ryan Fatrick.

[Jason Moore]

Jamin winced. Magic.

[Andy Holloway]

Oh, that's a weird name. John Brown against Pittsburgh, three for 17 targets. That was a huge disappointment. Kenny Golladay being the guy meant nothing. 3 for 46. And then the Broncos wideouts. Emmanuel Sanders had nine targets. Cortland Sutton had five targets. But look, Houston's just playing well right now. They've won a number of games in a row. They shut them down. And the majority of targets went to the tight end to avoid the pass rush and to avoid running the ball. So Devin funches disappointment. DJ Moore disappointment.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, that's all Samuel.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

And then don't buy into devonte Parker. Kenny still has returned. Devonte Parker went the way of the one for eight, which was crazy.

[Mike Wright]

Hopefully people are paying attention on Sunday. This is why we have the Sunday live stream so you can get all.

[Andy Holloway]

The breaking news because this didn't happen.

[Mike Wright]

Kenny Stills was was reported out by.

[Jason Moore]

Adam Schefter and then.

[Mike Wright]

And then he warmed up and apparently that was good enough and he played. And devonte Parker saw a downturn because of it.

[Andy Holloway]

Gotta avoid all the targets for Sam Darnold at this point. Quincy and Ninohar, Robbie Anderson and Jermaine Curse combined for what? 3 for 44 for 32. 3 for 20 on 19 total targets. No buy. Next week you can dump them all.

[Mike Wright]

Yep.

[Andy Holloway]

Tyler Lockett, 3 for 22. This is the fourth straight week where Lockett only has four targets or fewer. Look, he's touchdown or bus guy, 100%. He does score.

[Jason Moore]

But I was going to say it's when he does it well on searching for the touchdown and in fact in this game he really almost had the touchdown. But the pass interference call and really the pass interference took it away.

[Andy Holloway]

He's a fringe guy though. I mean, on the year before this week he was barely on the wide receiver to edge. So Ed Dixon, Jason, speak to Ed Dixon for as long as you read.

[Jason Moore]

Did nothing to see here. Let's talk about Jared Cook.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he stung Kyle Rudolph. Did his thing. 2 for 28. Loves it. He loves 2 for 28. Vance McDonald, disappointing game.

[Jason Moore]

Recover a fake touchdown.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, he did.

[Jason Moore]

He got a touchdown for like 10 minutes.

[Andy Holloway]

Yeah, and then they took it away. Jordan Reed, 4 for 34.

[Jason Moore]

Look, that one is Vernon Davis.

[Andy Holloway]

Looks better than Jordan Reed. End of story. Yeah, he just looks better. And then Austin Hooper, 3 for 41. He has returned to earth. He had a couple nice games. That was fun talking about him. I want to answer a couple mailbag questions before we leave. You guys up for it?

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, sure. All right, Mailbag.

[Andy Holloway]

Got a couple questions for tonight.

[Mike Wright]

Oh, no, no, no. I've changed my mind.

[Andy Holloway]

Well, if you have a question, you go to the website, the Fancy Footballers.com. click the submit a question button. You can also dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. That's 302464 TFFB. First question. Anthony in Long Island. He is down eight and a half points and a half point per reception league. Does he start Corey Davis tonight or Amari Cooper in his Dallas debut?

[Jason Moore]

Cooper.

[Andy Holloway]

I side with Cooper as well. At home. They want to feed him.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah, I mean it's. Yeah, I do. I do too.

[Mike Wright]

You can't give a first round pick for a wide receiver on basically an expiring contract. Saw the beginning, not just.

[Andy Holloway]

It's like Demarius.

[Jason Moore]

I was going to say the beginning of the Houston game featured Demaris Thomas, left, right and center. They're like, hey, let's come out, get this new weapon involved. This is coming off a bye week for Dallas and if you look at Corey Davis, if you need. If you're down by eight points only twice this year, assuming you're in a half point or better league, would you have gotten that from Corey Davis. So here's hoping Corey Davis does nothing.

[Andy Holloway]

This is a ridiculous situation, Chris. In Baltimore, I need 1.1 points to win my match. Gronk went out. Which tight end do I play in Monday Night Football?

[Mike Wright]

Wow.

[Andy Holloway]

Now, has Joni Smith caught a pass lately?

[Jason Moore]

Lately.

[Mike Wright]

So here's. Here's the problem because I think you could have easily accomplished this if Jeff Swaim were healthy. But he's doubtful for tonight.

[Jason Moore]

That could be good news though.

[Mike Wright]

It could be.

[Andy Holloway]

But now you have to like guessing game.

[Mike Wright]

Swain was like easy.

[Andy Holloway]

He's Joe New Smith.

[Mike Wright]

Swain would catch my kill at least two or three passes and you'd be, you'd be easy. I think I would play Blake Jarwin.

[Jason Moore]

That's that's who I would go with as well. I would play Blake Jarwin, but, I mean, Blake Jarwin has two receptions, I believe, in his career. So this is not.

[Andy Holloway]

I would not play Blake Jarwin. I would not lean into the. Because the strategy for Dallas isn't so tight end heavy to where just because Swaim is down, they're going to hit Jarwin up. I think I'd play Jonu. Jonu would have won you the past two weeks.

[Jason Moore]

Rico Gathers. Can I get a Rico?

[Andy Holloway]

Rico would win you a game once every 36 starts.

[Jason Moore]

Yeah. You know what? With Amari Cooper in tow, I'm pivoting.

[Andy Holloway]

I'm going to go Joe Neal, maybe two catches. Joe.

[Jason Moore]

That is the funniest question. I feel like that's the coolest, the funniest and the grossest question we've ever received because it's a. It's so legit. I mean, it's, it's. You only need 1.1 points, so you should be able to do this well. And yesterday, it's the three grossest options of all time.

[Andy Holloway]

We knew that Gronk was going to miss. Pretty much knew that the odds were likely. I had. I pivoted to Chris Herndon in one of my leagues. Mike, you pivoted to Ben Watson. So, look, I want to know how this ends for you. Yes.

[Mike Wright]

Yeah.

[Andy Holloway]

We'll check the box score for the whole tight end position and see if anybody would have won you the week after tonight. Last question here. Bryce in Tampa, Andy Dalton or Carson Wentz rest of season. That's Carson Wentz for me. With the injuries and with Golden Tate.

[Jason Moore]

With or without the injuries.

[Andy Holloway]

That's fair. That's fair. All right. Thank you for tuning in, supporting the show. If you want access to premium projections, our fantasy community and a whole lot more, you can learn [e-mail] thank you so much.

[Mike Wright]

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[Jason Moore]

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