10 Dynasty Players We Can’t Figure Out (Ep. 1954)

Summary

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FantasyPros Dynasty Football Podcast

Episode: "10 Dynasty Players We Can't Figure Out" (Ep. 1954)

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Ryan Wormley, Pat Fitzmaurice (Fitz), Scott Bogman (Bogman)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into 10 Dynasty fantasy football players whose current and future values leave even the pros scratching their heads. Ryan, Fitz, and Bogman each bring forward names at running back, receiver, and tight end that they find the hardest to rank or trade for—due to unclear roles, murky situations, or up-and-down performances. The discussion is candid, at times humorous, and focused on helping Dynasty managers understand the ambiguities and trade-offs involved in holding or moving these players.

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Section 1: Dynasty Draft Picks & Class Value (03:40–08:17)

Macro Discussion:
Ryan kicks things off with a listener question about valuing 2026 vs. 2027 rookie picks given the perceived strength/weakness of each class.

• Bogman:
  • Would only consider trading an early 2027 second for a 2026 first if the pick is in the top 7–8; thinks 2027 class is much stronger.
  • “There are going to be some hits [in the ‘26 class]. It’s just going to be landing spot dependent and all of that.” (04:23)
• Fitz:
  • Believes the early seconds in 2027 will be better prospects than late firsts in 2026.
  • "The 2.03 in 2027 is going to be a better player than the 1.11 in 2026. Like, I’m supremely confident in that." (05:34)
• Ryan:
  • Thinks 2027 hype is legitimate and would generally not force trades to move 2027 picks up to late firsts in ‘26. References past classes to illustrate upside of early seconds in strong years.

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Section 2: Running Backs We Can't Figure Out

1. Trey Benson – Arizona Cardinals

(09:01–14:16)

• Bogman:
  • Uncertain role due to knee injury, James Conner still being there, and possible incoming RB competition.
  • “I’m really not sure how high or low Trey Benson should go… there are so many mitigating circumstances around his situation.” (09:01)
  • Would rather be a seller: “Too many holes to poke in his value… feels like he might be a sinking ship.” (10:44)
• Fitz:
  • Doubts Benson will ever be a clear lead back: “He’s been in the league for two years, and I have no idea if he’s any good or not... I’m definitely not a buyer.” (12:38)
• Ryan:
  • Says this is likely the last year he’ll be open to hope for Benson: “He’s got to do it this year. Otherwise, I will be like, very definitively, clearly, easily out.” (14:16)

2. Travis Etienne

(14:47–20:30)

• Fitz:
  • Bounced back in 2025 under OC Liam Cohen after a poor 2024. Questions if it was system-driven.
  • “I definitely feel better about Travis Etienne than I did a year ago, but I’m not sure if he’s a player I would feel good about buying at his current price because that price is back up.” (15:47)
  • Has him at RB20.
• Bogman:
  • “I think Travis Etienne always had a bigger upside… this is a product of terrible coaching for years in Jacksonville.” (16:54)
  • Draws a tier line right above Etienne—wouldn’t move him up with better backs.
• Ryan:
  • Asks about trade value; both guys agree a late first or early second (110–112) in rookie picks feels about right.

3. Woody Marks – Houston Texans

(20:57–26:01)

• Bogman:
  • Skeptical of true workhorse potential; has him RB30, well below consensus.
  • “Midway through the season… team sources said they still kind of view him as a third-down back, not as a full workload type of player.” (20:57)
• Fitz:
  • Compares to hiring a plumber for electrical work: “I thought Marks was going to be a third down back… and then we get a season where… he wound up being the lead back, but I do think he was miscast in that role.” (23:30)
  • Also ranks him at RB29.
  • Predicts team drafts someone else and Marks loses role; wouldn't bet on him repeating as lead back.

Notable Comparison: Both Bogman and Fitz prefer other lower-ranked, more dynamic RBs (e.g., Manangai and Corum) over Marks.

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Section 3: Wide Receivers in Limbo

4. Rashee Rice – Kansas City Chiefs

(29:43–35:30)

• Fitz:
  • At WR11 in ECR but makes him uneasy due to:
    1. "Big" target share didn’t help KC win; not sure he’ll keep target volume;
    2. Major off-field character flags (“Got a 30-day jail sentence… ex-girlfriend allegations…”).
  • “On one hand, we’ve got this really talented player… But on the other hand, there’s some ambiguity about what the role in the Kansas City offense is going to look like for him going forward. And there are those off field concerns.” (32:11)
• Bogman:
  • Drops him to WR16; expects KC to move on: “There’s no chance the Chiefs re-sign him. He has just been too much of an issue.” (32:23)
  • “He is clearly not a good dude. It feels like at this point…” (32:23)
  • Also questions Mahomes’ return timetable – further dings Rice.
• Ryan:
  • Strongly preferring to sell at top 12 valuation: “If that’s what he’s being valued as, I’m not interested…”

5. Travis Hunter – Jacksonville Jaguars

(36:26–41:52)

• Bogman:
  • Nominally WR29, but declining due to two-way role and lack of offensive clarity:
    • “I just don’t know how much he’s going to play on offense.”
    • Major slide incoming if he really is mostly a cornerback.
• Fitz:
  • Has him WR49, doesn’t want an IDP masquerading as a WR.
  • Compares ranking to “snapshot of an anchor that was released from a boat two seconds ago… next snapshot, it’ll be even lower.” (40:37)
• Ryan:
  • “I have no interest in being on this roller coaster unless something comes out that he’s WR only going forward.” (38:39)

6. Brian Thomas Jr. – Jacksonville Jaguars

(42:03–45:57)

• Fitz:
  • Has moved him down to WR21; variance from near-elite rookie numbers (87/1282/10 TDs) to disappointment in sophomore year (48/707/2).
  • Concern: “I’m worried that BTJ is not going to pop as long as Trevor Lawrence is his quarterback… Lawrence generally favors his slot receiver and tight end.” (43:32)
  • "If the Jaguars move Brian Thomas Jr., we feel a lot differently."
• Bogman:
  • “Put him anywhere else, that’s what I want to see. I want to see him leave.” (44:36)
  • Believes he's the most likely player to be traded this offseason for real-life team-fit and fantasy reasons.

7. Quentin Johnston – LA Chargers

(46:26–51:08)

• Bogman:
  • Down on him (WR55); sees QJ as likely being passed on the depth chart and not seizing the opportunity he had.
    • "That first month you should have sold him at that point."
    • Likes Trey Harris more; “He makes me queasy to rank.”
• Fitz:
  • Way more bullish (WR32): “A young guy who has overcome the one major obstacle… scored 8 touchdowns each of the last 2 seasons… only 24 years old, athletic freak, first-round draft pick, plus now Mike McDaniel, Justin Herbert… If you’re selling, I’m buying, Bogs.”
• Ryan:
  • Slightly more optimistic, likes the direction of the Chargers offense under new coaching/OL.

8. Jordan Addison – Minnesota Vikings

(52:20–57:15)

• Fitz:
  • Difficult to value due to:
    • “Wildly talented... but the 2026 outlook is really murky…” due to dicey QB situation and off-field issues (reckless driving, DUI, missed walkthroughs, and trespassing [dismissed]).
    • “I’m a big believer in the talents, but the current situation and the off the field concerns make it hard to feel great about him as a dynasty asset.” (54:28)
    • Has him at WR25 (higher than consensus).
• Bogman:
  • Compares Addison’s issues to other WR2s who are more stable; prefers Zay Flowers, Waddle, and Luther Burden.
  • “It’s kind of a worse version of Keon Coleman… It’s a pattern. Absolutely.” (54:13)
• Ryan:
  • Notes how Addison now falls alongside other WR2s and young projects after once being viewed as a possible cornerstone.
  • Raises question of Addison vs. other “number two” WRs—fits is high on Burden and Jameson Williams.

9. Brandon Aiyuk – San Francisco 49ers (?)

(57:55–60:40)

• Bogman:
  • "November 15, 2024: knee injury, ACL and MCL... November 21, 2025: not expected to play after the team voided his contract... he is now insane and not showing up to anything...”
  • Clearly does not want a part of this situation and has him at WR57.
• Fitz:
  • Even harder out; “He’s going into his age 28 season and we haven’t seen anything from him in a couple of years… I’m just not interested in buying at all.” (60:29)
  • Prefers Travis Hunter (!).

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Section 4: Tight End Limbo

10. Dalton Kincaid – Buffalo Bills

(60:45–66:34)

• Fitz:
  • Efficiency off the charts (24% target rate, 2.70 yards/route run), but:
    • Durability, snap share, usage, and Bills’ multiple tight end sets are all red flags.
    • "Three years into Dalton Kincaid’s career and I’m still not sure what to make of this dude."
• Bogman:
  • Feels Kincaid is capped as a low-end TE1 until he lands elsewhere; “The things preventing that are just the multiple uses of tight ends out of this system in Buffalo… and they don’t care about fantasy.”
• Ryan:
  • Compares value “more difficult to come down on than the ranking itself.”
  • Kincaid, Gadsden II, and Pitts make up the ambiguous second tier after TE1-7 group.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Fitz (on Rashee Rice):
  “On one hand...we’ve got this really talented player...on the other hand, there’s some ambiguity about what the role in the Kansas City offense is going to look like...And there are those off field concerns.” (32:11)
• Bogman (on Travis Hunter):
  “He fits on the other side of the ball, honestly.” (37:17)
• Ryan (on hard-to-value players):
  “This is likely the last year I’ll be open to hope for Benson.” (14:16)
• Fitz (on Woody Marks):
  “It’s like using a handyman service because you need some electrical work...they send over a plumber. That’s what Marks is.” (23:30)
• Fitz (on Kincaid):
  “I just don’t know what to do with all of this. The hyper-efficiency makes me think he’s a buyer but the durability and usage issues are big red flags.” (62:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 2026 vs. 2027 class debate: 03:59–08:17
• Trey Benson discussion: 09:01–14:16
• Travis Etienne segment: 14:47–20:30
• Woody Marks segment: 20:57–26:01
• Rashee Rice (Chiefs WRs): 29:43–35:30
• Jaguars WRs (Hunter, BTJ): 36:26–45:57
• Quentin Johnston: 46:26–51:08
• Jordan Addison: 52:20–57:15
• Brandon Aiyuk: 57:55–60:40
• Dalton Kincaid (tight ends): 60:45–66:34

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Final Thoughts

• The episode doesn’t just list confusing players but models how Dynasty managers can (and should) think through uncertainty—balancing upside, downside, and organizational chaos.
• Even the pros acknowledge that for some situations, it’s simply time to get off the roller coaster and invest in less volatile assets.
• If you're holding one of these players, the DynastyPros team recommends being very active—buying and selling opportunistically, trading for youth and upside where available, and not being afraid to cash out on names whose perceived value may be higher than their true outlook.

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“Those were our 10 Dynasty players that we just cannot figure out.” – Ryan Wormley (67:19)

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Transcript

[Ryan Wormley]

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[Ryan Wormley]

Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football podcast. I'm Ryan, warmly joined by Pat Fitzmorris and by Scott Bogman. Guys, we are talking some dynasty players that we just can't quite figure out. These are guys that we are struggling to rank and properly value in trades here early in the off season. And we're going to kind of talk it through and see where we settle on a few of these names. You guys have five each for us. Bogman. I have to say I already talked about this a little bit with Fitz earlier in the week, but it was great to see you in person last week. First time we got to hang out together in New Orleans.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, it was a good time. Got to meet the whole crew, got to see everybody. Took me forever to get there. Getting home was so much easier, so that was nice. But got to see everybody. And it was cold. I mean, I know I'm kind of a pansy about the cold anyway compared to you guys who have lived in cold environments, but even you guys were shivering a little bit. And Fitzy packed it in early when I was there, too. He was like, all right, I've had enough of Bogdan. I'm going to go home. Go early. But I did get there the day before you left, too.

[Ryan Wormley]

So it wasn't. It wasn't even that it was cold. It was just the wind was what it was really like, a bitter cold wind was. Which I was not expecting.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, we. We got there for a rare cold snap in the US and apparently get got even colder after we left because one of our colleagues at the company who stayed behind spent a couple extra days in New Orleans with his girlfriend. He sent us pictures of icicles hanging from some of the balconies in the French Quarter. That. That was shocking to see.

[Ryan Wormley]

Oh, my God. Yeah, that was. I think they ended up canceling some of the early, like, you know, Mardi Gras parade stuff for that reason. So, yeah, it was cold, but super fun of course. Great to see both of you guys in person. Just a reminder for everybody that all of our consensus rankings and tiers [e-mail] rankings. You can navigate to Dynasty rankings from there as well. I also want to just make sure everybody's aware For Dynasty managers, we just launched the brand new Fantasy Pros Dynasty YouTube channel. We'll be bringing you rookie rankings, Super Flex strategy, startup draft and trade advice all year long. If you're building for the future, this channel is built for you. Just search Fantasy Pros Dynasty channel on YouTube and hit subscribe. Fitz, you mentioned one of our coworkers, a different coworker actually messaged me a Dynasty kind of philosophy macro level level question this morning and I wanted to actually surprise you guys with it before we dive into the show because I thought it was an interesting question. This comes from Josh, who is the the Auburn fan who recommended Jarquez Hunter last year. We referenced it a couple of times on the show. Great dude, Josh. And he sent me a message just saying that he was wondering at what point has the 2026 class versus 2027 class hype kind of gone too far and can be capitalized on. And Fitz, you and I actually kind of talked a little bit about this. I think it was actually mainly you talking a little bit about this on our Tuesday show, the Trade Block when you were answering some questions from fans. I wanted to hit on Josh's question here. His example that he threw out was suppose he has what he has what is likely an early 2027 second. What is the latest 2026 first that you would be willing to trade that for? Basically as an early second rounder in a really strong class in 2027, projected to be strong, worth a first rounder at some point here in what is a weaker 2026 class? Bogman, I want to ask you this first because Fitz already talked about a little bit on Tuesday. I want to get to his kind of response to that second. But what do you think about that, Boggs?

[Scott Bogman]

So we're trading a 27 early second. So how, how high into the first do I have to trade to?

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, really, how late in the first are you willing to make a move like that and say, hey, the hype's gone too far in 2027. This is still a second for a first round pick, right? If it's like, if it's like the last pick in the 2026 first round, you're probably not all that interested. At what point do you become interested?

[Scott Bogman]

I think like pick Seven or eight. Somewhere around there I start going, okay, you know, maybe, maybe I'll listen. But you know, it, it is a weaker class. It's not, it's not a, it's. It's a class that has a lot of upside and potential and I think we saw that in the Senior bowl, right? So we saw a lot of players start to stand out and a lot of people start to go, wow, okay, here's some guys moving, right? So there are going to be good players in the 2026 draft and but I feel like there's going to be more misses than we've had in a lot of classes as well. But there are going to be some hits. It's just going to be landing spot dependent and all of that. So this is not a dead class. It's not worthless. There are many good players in this class. But next year just looks so loaded that I'm, you know, Fitz, Fitz has been on this for a couple years as well by the way, that the 27 was going to be superior. 28 looks good as well, so. But 26 still definitely has some hidden gems in it for sure.

[Ryan Wormley]

What do you think, Fitz, the 2:03.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

In 2027 is going to be a better player than the 1:11 in 2026? Like I'm supremely confident in that. But there is a year, the extra year of value you get out of the 2026 player. So I, I mean to do that sort of a deal where I'm giving away a 2027 early second, I need to be in the top 10 in the first round in 2026.

[Ryan Wormley]

I think back to 2024 and I'm not saying it's going to be an exactly identical class. But like in a lot of my rookie drafts, like Lad McConkey was an early second round pick. Brian Thomas Jr. Was the 203 in one of my leagues. Like these are and I know Thomas had a bad second season but like these are players that like were extremely highly valued falling into the second round in that class. If we think that 2027 is a similar kind of banner year for prospects where it's not only going to be top heavy but also deep, then yeah, like those are the types of high upside swings that you can be getting in the early, you know, part of the second round next year that it, I wouldn't look at it just in the vacuum of it's a second versus a first. Like, like I don't think the hype has gone too far I guess is how I would answer Josh's question. Like I. The hype feels very legitimate to me. To Bachmann's point. That doesn't mean that you should just be throwing away 2026 picks willy nilly, because there are going to still be players you can target that are going to pan out for you. But if it's like a mid-2027 second, I may be more inclined to say, yeah, if you can get like a late 2026 first, I'll make that move. But if you're pretty certain it's going to be in that first three, maybe four picks in 2027, that's where I'm like, I'm viewing that normal first round pick, I think.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, and we saw guys like Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren, in some cases even Jackson Dart in super flex leagues fall into the second round. Depending on which rookie draft you were in last year and this year. I don't know if they're going to be good players who get squeezed out of the first round of rookie drafts into the second. More likely we've got guys who are true second round values who are going to get pushed up into the back of the first.

[Scott Bogman]

I think you might be able to get the values in this draft class just because the separation is so thin. It's not even the fact that the talent is great, it's just the separation is thin. So maybe some guys fall through the cracks that we thought weren't as good and they just turn out to be, you know, a little bit better. So I there are still going to be some good players in this draft and I feel like the running backs are getting better during the process here in the 26 draft, so I'll at least say that. A lot of wide receivers rising from the Senior bowl in the Shrine Game and I think a decent amount of running backs moved up as well. Only one quarterback really.

[Ryan Wormley]

So yeah, yeah, little bit of rookie talk there. Just I wanted to throw in there because I thought it was an interesting question and something that I think will be relevant for a lot of people thinking about trades this time. Yeah, great question. From shots to shouts to Josh, 10 Dynasty players we can't figure out. So this is not going to be a rookie heavy show. We'll be talking about some players that are already in the league whose values we are struggling to really kind of just like get the pulse of and decide where we land on them. I switched up the order from the order you guys sent your names in to kind of make this go positionally, so there's not like an even number of players at each position but we'll kind of keep them grouped with this guys at the same position to keep the conversation flowing in that direction. We're start with running backs. Bogman, you have Trey Benson here at the top. Why is he somebody you're struggling to figure out?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, this one's Trey Benson is difficult for me because he is. He's coming off the knee injury. You also still have James Conner on the roster here with the Arizona Cardinals. The Cardinals are also right in that range to take Jeremiah Love and we've seen a couple mocks do that. Even if they traded back a couple picks, I think they could still end up taking Jeremiah Love and have a legit like forefront of this offense. We don't know who the quarterback is going to be. Whole new coaching staff as well to evaluate the running backs to see who they like. Maybe they do like Trey Benson, maybe they don't like Trey Benson. I'm just, I'm really not sure how high or low Trey Benson should go. I know his ECR right now is 32. I have him at 36. So like right on the borderline of an RB3, RB4. But this is a name that I'm kind of struggling with right now because I just don't know what the future holds for him with so many mitigating circumstances around his situation. Right. Like I still believe in the talent but are they going to give him the ball and you know or do they have other plans at running back and is James Conner back or is he a cut? Seems to me like he's an obvious cut but I don't, I don't think the Cardinals need much cap space either so they could keep him around. He's good team guy, nice captain. I just, I'm not real sure what to think think of Trey Benson in this situation with a new coaching staff and lots of changes possibly coming.

[Ryan Wormley]

I think one interesting angle to kind of considering how you value a player even from a. Just from a different lens than strictly what's his ranking is if I. You can't hold him Bogman. You must either be buying or selling. Which side would you rather be with Trey Benson?

[Scott Bogman]

Right now I'm selling if that's. I think there's too many holes to poke in his value for me that it feels like he might be a sinking ship. Which is tough to say. Still super young so. But Cardinals have a lot of cap space. They also have a lot of needs. So you, you can look at it the opposite way in that like this team has so many needs, why the hell would they worry about running back? Right? Like just put one out there. We know running back is a fairly replaceable position in the NFL. So that's why I'm just, I'm kind of on the struggle bus in terms of Trey Benson here. I love this subject by the way. This was Fitzs idea. I love this because it kind of makes us human but it also lets you know where we're kind of getting. Man, I don't know. You know.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, it's a good opportunity to kind of just have a conversation about some of these players. I agree. I thought it was a good idea from Fitz for, for this week's show. Yeah, Fitz, I mean Trey Benson, like, like on the one hand I totally get the, what Bachman saying about he would rather be on the side of selling. If you still see some upside here, I think you could probably get him for cheap. So maybe that's, that's a point in favor of buying. If you're like there's a world where this is the lead back next year in, you know, this new look offense with you know, offensive offensive play calling head coach and possibly an improved season long quarterback situation. I mean we'll kind of see what direction that goes. But there's a world where, where he, maybe he is an interesting buy.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

There is. And I don't know what the odds are that he would be anointed as the starter. Like. Well, he get. Could be anointed as the starter but could he be designated as sort of like the clear lead back going into week one? I sort of doubt it. I think he's going to be in a timeshare with, with someone else. Whether it's, you know, James Conner I believe who still has. I don't know how hard it would be for the Cardinals to walk away from James Connor, but I think he.

[Scott Bogman]

I think he's, he saved 6 million on the cap. I'll double check that while you're talking.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

All right, so maybe, maybe they could walk away from him. But I guess my issue with James Connor, and I've said this on, on past shows, so this might sound like I'm echoing myself but he's been in the league for two years and I have no idea if he's any good or not. And I'm not saying I have no idea if he's bad or not. I could, I could put that the other way. I have no idea if he can be a good NFL back. I'm just not sure like he's never like I've even watched him over the course of the game, and there are some intriguing flashes, and then there's times when it seems like he leaves yardage on the table. The physical skill set is intriguing for sure, but I have not really seen anything to make me think he could be a special back at any point. So I just don't know what he is. And I'm not going to go rushing headlong into the burning building not knowing what's there. You know what I mean? So I'm definitely not a buyer.

[Ryan Wormley]

I want to be as a point of clarification, when I say there's a world where he's the lead back. I don't think there's any world where he's the lead back going into week one. I just meant I think there's a world where we get to the end of 2026 and we're like, oh, he was the lead back this season. I don't think we're going to feel that way on Labor Day this year. I find that very, very.

[Scott Bogman]

The range of possible outcomes is very wide with Trey Benson, and I absolutely see that, that side of it. Warren, by the way, 5.3 miles. Uh, this is Connor's last year. If they cut him, I think it's post June 1st. He saved 5.3, so seems like probably a logical move for them.

[Ryan Wormley]

I think Trey Benson falls into the same category that Trevor Lawrence did for me a year ago, which was this is the last year I'm going to be open to the possibility of this working out like, like, he's got to do it this year. Otherwise I will be like, very definitively, clearly, easily out in future years. So, you know, it's earlier in his career than it was for Lawrence at that point. But, you know, shelf life is shorter for running backs. So, like, this is kind of the last chance. I think he's a great name, honestly, for this list, because I think he's a perfect example of a guy that's kind of difficult to figure out. Fitz, you have a running back here up next.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, it's Travis ETN, and he was good in his first two NFL seasons, 2022 and 2023, with more than a thousand rushing yards in both seasons. Some productivity as a pass catcher. Scored 12 touchdowns in 2023. But the 2024 season was just objectively bad for Travis ETN. Like, his metrics were bad. He was near the bottom of the league in rushing yards over expected. He was outperformed by then teammate Tank Bigsby in pretty much every rushing category. But then ETN had this nice bounce back season in 2025 with almost 1400 yards from scrimmage, 13 touchdowns. I guess the question I ask myself with him how much credit should Liam Cohen get for ETN's bounce back season? Because it's possible Travis ETN isn't going to be playing for Liam Cohen next season. He's about to hit free agency. So we saw Bucky Irving have a great rookie season in Tampa when Liam Cohen was the offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers in 2024. Then Cohen comes to Jacksonville and ETN has a great season. So I, I definitely feel better about Travis ETN than I did a year ago, but I'm not sure if he's a player I would feel good about buying at his current price because that price is is back up.

[Ryan Wormley]

I know that kind of the point of this episode is that we struggle to value these guys. I do want to ask kind of your gut reaction when I tell you what his consensus dynasty ranking is right now and if you think it's too high, too low, we're just right. He's the very last name in a very large Tier 3 that runs from RB9 to RB19. Travis Etan, is RB19 the last name in Tier 3? Does that sound too high, too low, or just right to you? Fitz?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

About right. I've got him at RB20 in my rankings.

[Ryan Wormley]

Okay, 20, 27 years old, maybe like a sneaky older guy relative to, you know, being a running back who ages quicker. Bogman, what do you think about ETN right now? Some of the names around him, by the way, RJ Harvey, Kyron Williams, Kenneth Walker are ahead of him. Cam Scatter, Boo, Javante Williams, Derrick Henry are behind him.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, that's exactly how I have it. By the way, I have him at RB19 and the three guys ahead of him are Walker, Harvey, Kyron and the names below him are Cam, Williams and Henry. I have Warren right after that. I think that Travis ETN always had a bigger upside than Tank Bigsby, right? Like I think Tank Bigsby is a two down back, you know, kick returner, right? Like I don't think he's a bad player, but he's a role player. I think Travis ETN could have always been better than what he showed before and I think this is a product of terrible coaching. For years in Jacksonville. We had it with Urban Meyer when ETN was first drafted and then we had, you know, Doug Peterson had a nice run with Nick Foles and got a job out of it after being fired from the Eagles. Right. Like, I don't think he was ever, he was ever really a legit offensive guy or you know, nothing new. Right. And I think, I think Travis ETN just saw way more inspiration to play this year. So I think we saw a little bit better of an effort from him and you know, he paid it off in statistics. So I think, you know, kind of mid tierish RB2 is about right for Travis Etienne. I don't feel like super confident in him being the past, but I do think there's a little bit more upside. But I can tell you my line is drawn at Ken Walker right ahead of him. I would end that tear off without Travis ETN in it. So I think Ken Walker is just a much better back than ETN is.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, I think we, I don't remember we didn't talk about ETN specifically fits, but on the trade block this week I know we talked about like where some of these non Jeremiah Love rookie prospects might fit in depending on their landing spot. And I, I do think we had talked about like the top 18 is kind of like unassailable. Like not, you know, obviously besides Love who, who will be in there, there's other guys that's probably like the high point even in a best case scenario which would kind of align with what Bogman just said as like he's ETN's not moving any higher than 19. That's kind of the point of delineation. Do you see it that way too?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I think so. The guys I have right behind ETN in my dynasty rankings are guys like, well there's Javante Williams, but also Kyle Menangai, Blake Corum, Bashel Tutin. So got younger guys who a year from now we might be viewing as like substantially more valuable than ETN, but who are pretty unproven whereas ETN is going to be brought in to be a starter somewhere.

[Ryan Wormley]

I think ETN vs. Javante is a really interesting kind of head to head one. They're two spots apart in ecr but you know, Javante's two years younger has obviously the injury history. Maybe like a little less certainty in terms like like obviously he was really good this last year. Is that, is that a long term, you know, kind of solidified RB1 spot in that backfield. I, I think that, I think ETM versus Gervonta is a pretty interesting, you know, head to head there. If you were, I'll wrap up on, on ETN Fitz if you were trying to trade for him As a contending team, what kind of pick would you be giving up for etn?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I, I might be willing to give up a late first anything 110 or later this year if I was contending. Because I think, I think the sure things kind of stop after about not even sure things, but the good bets kind of run out after about 109, 110 this year.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

So like if I'm a defending champ or lost the championship game and was picking 111, I think I might be willing to give up either of those two picks for sure.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, My, my initial immediate thought was I have to get a first rounder from this class. Like it has to be. I would say probably 7 to 12, somewhere in that range. I don't, I wouldn't give up a top six for him, but I could start talking myself and it's 7, 8, 9, somewhere in that range.

[Ryan Wormley]

If you're, if you're trading away ETN, maybe try and get like an early 20, 27 second, like to the point of the conversation we had at the top of the show, kind of similarly valued in our opinion. Let's go to another running back here, Bogman.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, Woody Marks. And this, this might sound like blasphemy to a lot of people because Woody Marks was really good down the stretch. His ECR is 23. I'm going to have him at 30. I just, we heard like midway through the season that team sources said that they still kind of view him as a third down back, not as a full workload type of player. What the hell is happening with Joe Mixon? Are the rumors true that he shot himself in the foot or whatever that was all about? And you know, this team doesn't have a lot of needs outside of offensive line, so I could easily see them taking a running back. You take a Mike Washington or something like that. Even late to Houston, he's a first and second down back and now Woody Marks really is a third down back kind of how they viewed him when they drafted him. So he showed more than that. So I will admit I was not on Woody coming in here. You know, I watched him at Mississippi State, he was great there. He was really good at USC as well. But I kind of viewed him as we heard the Texans viewed him as a third down back. And he definitely showed more than that, which is why he's a RB2, you know, in ECR here. But I just don't know that I want to pay that type of price for Woody Marks. So I'm definitely lower than that. But I do admit having him much lower like where I have him at RB30 does make me a little queasy. So I do feel like I've had difficulty trying to know where to put Woody Marks.

[Ryan Wormley]

If it's. Every time I think about Woody Marks, I just think about Tyler Algier. Like a guy who goes and is a day three picks who has a pretty good first year, but because they don't have that pedigree of draft capital or a big free agency contract, there's always the risk that they go out and draft the next Bijan and all of a sudden, you know, that really awesome opportunity in an ascending offense is no longer there. So I worry about Marks for a similar reason to, you know, what ended up playing out with Algier. By the way, they're the same age because Marks, you know, came in older, he's already 25. But he was good, you know, get when he got the opportunity, he just wasn't like, you know, special. He just was good and took advantage of the opportunity there. Where, where does he follow your rankings? Fitz? You know, Bagwin already mentioned that he's going to be several spots lower than consensus there. Marks is up there, you know, right behind that group I mentioned, behind etn, Scatterboo, Javante, Derek Henry. Next up is Marks.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

You've got him at 30 bogs.

[Scott Bogman]

Yes sir. All right.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I've got him at 29. So we're in this, we're in the same. We got this almost weird. Like I know if bait and switch is the right term, it's like using a handyman service because you need some electrical work done in your house and they send over a plumber and you're like wait, I need this electrical work done. And the plumber tells you you can do the electrical work, but you're just not sure he can do it. Well, that, that's what Marks is. Because I thought Marks was going to be a third down back. Like that was his fate in the NFL. And then we get a season from, from Woody Marks where he had 16 or more carries in eight different games, counting the playoffs. And he only had more than two catches three times in his rookie year. Like he didn't catch many passes for a guy who was billed as a pass catching running back, square peg, round hole.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yes, 20, 24 receptions I think in the. And yet he wound up being the lead back for the Texans. And I do think he was miscast in that role. Like I just, I don't think he was good as A runner. I mean, I, but that's also not the job he should have been having. So I don't know how much to dock him for that. I just, I think is he is third down back plus a guy who can spell a lead back on the occasional series for some early down work too. But I don't think he should be doing anything more than that for you on early downs.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, guys like Corum, Manangai, even Charbonnet with the injury, they're all better.

[Ryan Wormley]

I was, I was gonna ask Charbonnet or Marks and obviously the injury being a part of that conversation, who you liked better?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I would have Charbonnet way higher if it weren't for the injury because I have him currently at 28. I probably have him, you know, closer. We're at ETN. I'd have him probably in that group. So. But, but yeah, I, maybe this is more like I'm just not as high as consensus on Woody Marks than I am confused. But I do admit he looked better than I thought. Like Fitz, he said 16 carries in eight games. That's, that's, that's not nothing. Definitely something.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I think people are appraising him as the lead back for a playoff team and I think it's a mistake to assume that he's going to be the lead back in 2026. In fact, I'll be surprised if he leads the team in rushing attempts in 2026. I think that is a long shot to happen.

[Ryan Wormley]

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[Ryan Wormley]

Right, let's get into the wide receivers. Fitz, who do you have for us?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Rasheed Rice. So he is wide receiver 11 in our dynasty ECR, a low end wide receiver one. And I feel like he's in this weird limbo area where he's behind some of the foundational guys, obviously behind Puka, jsn, Jamar Chase, but also behind the guys who are maybe a tier behind those upper crust wide receivers. So guys like Drake London, Nico Collins. But then Rasheed Rice is ahead of some good young receivers like Garrett Wilson, lad McConkey. He's one spot ahead of Ted McMillan in our Dynasty ECR, which I completely disagree with the two things that kind of make me uneasy about Rasheed Rice's dynasty value. The first thing is that he played a big role in the Chiefs offense when he came back from suspension this year. And yet the Chiefs offense wasn't very good overall. The Chiefs were 3 and 5 in the eight games Rasheed Rice played for them and averaged 21.6 points in those games. And I'm not saying that was Rasheed Rice's fault, but putting a lot on his shoulders did not help the Kansas City Chiefs win games, and Rice averaged just under 10 targets a game in 2025. Will he continue to be a target hog? Maybe Travis Kelce might retire, which would seem to bode well for Rice's target outlook. But maybe the Chiefs bring in another high quality tight end or maybe they find the big X receiver they've been missing, which, you know, I'm really hoping they'll do. Personally, I'm sure a lot of Chiefs fans are too. The second thing that makes me uneasy about Rashee Rice's dynasty value, obviously the the character questions like this is the guy who got a 30 day jail sentence and a suspension for street racing and causing a multi car crash that left people injured and then fled the scene. And then not long ago, Rasheed Rice's ex girlfriend made an allegation on social media that Rice had been abusive toward her. And there have not been any formal charges, just to be clear on that, based on those allegations. But I would imagine the Chief's brass has to be feeling pretty uneasy about that situation too. So on one hand we've got this really talented player who thrives in a pretty specific role. Like there are few wide receivers in the league better after the catch than Rasheed Rice. But on the other hand there's some ambiguity about what the role in the Kansas City offense is going to look like for him going forward. And there are those off field concerns.

[Ryan Wormley]

When you guys sent in your names, there were like two or three of them where I was like, yes, perfect name for this discussion. I have no idea what to do with this person. And Rasheed Rice was one of them. Bogman, where, where do you come down on Rice?

[Scott Bogman]

As of right now, I've got him at 16. I'm with Fitz. Like I just. There are legitimate concerns within the offense. I mean he's a free agent after this year too, so let's see if he is. There's. I feel like there's no chance the Chiefs resign him. Like he has just been too much of an issue. Right. He's a free agent after 2026. Let somebody else burden themselves with this guy. So I feel like maybe even a wide receivers in play for Kansas City again early here in this draft. But beyond that, you know, it's the off the field stuff that bothers me so much. Like he is clearly not a good dude. It feels like at this point, you know, like Fitz said, no charges have been filed, but he left people permanently injured from that car wreck and ran away from it. There's been other allegations here. Just seems like he's got off the field issues that are going to creep into his NFL career and make it shorter than it should be. So I'm probably just going to be out on Rice overall, you know. And also like, is Mahomes coming back to start this season? Everybody seems to think so. I don't think he is. I don't think he's back until halfway through the year, by the way. So how good is Rasheed Rice with a backup quarterback? I don't, I don't think he's going to be anywhere in the same neighborhood So I think for Redraft, I'm going to be out on Rice for sure because he's definitely going to cost way too much and for the long term he's just not a guy that I want to be invested with and depending on because I think it's going to come to a sudden swift stop pretty soon here.

[Ryan Wormley]

This is one where I would definitely rather be selling than buying. Particularly that he's ranked inside the top 12 in consensus rankings. If that's what he's being valued as, I'm not interested at that cost. Fitz, do you agree with what Bogman said that there's no chance the Chiefs are resigning him? I mean the receiving position is just such a wasteland for them the last couple of years. Besides, when Rice is on the field that I, I wonder if they are going to view him as even with with all the baggage that comes with it. They like almost feel like they don't have a choice unless they somehow get some other receiving help between now and then.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I don't know. It depends on what they do this off season I think. Because right now the only plus asset they have at wide receiver for the future. Well, I shouldn't say that. I mean they've got Xavier Worthy Jalen, Royals could still pan out. Tyquan Thornton was even intriguing at times last year. But I do, I do think that if I had to bet I would guess that they do not resign Rice once he's up for free agency.

[Ryan Wormley]

I agree with you on, on Tataro McMillan too. You mentioned that earlier. Fitz, like I find it baffling that he would be behind Rice. I just think we saw clearly enough as a rookie and given the age gap and the lack of off field issues like I would just.

[Scott Bogman]

And no Patrick Mahomes for 10 hours.

[Ryan Wormley]

That's exactly what I was about to say. Like the fact that there is now also quarterback questions in Kansas City, at least for the short term, that yeah, I would just much rather have him.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Plus I'm always just a little wary of the wide receivers who have to be schemed up, you know, and Rasheed Rice kind of has to be schemed up. He does not, I mean go to.

[Scott Bogman]

Any offense and fit right?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, he hasn't proven that he can consistently beat defenders with his route running. It's like get him the ball on these little bubble screens and hitches and let him make it happen after the catch which he's great at doing. I don't want to knock his ability there because like getting him on these bubble screens when he's got a, an opening like that's exciting. That is fun to watch, but I just don't know if he can play the more conventional game and, and be a good receiver that way.

[Ryan Wormley]

Let's pair our next two names together because you guys both picked wide receivers for the Jaguars. Although we'll start with you, Bachman, I guess. How much do we know if this is really a wide receiver for the Jags going forward? Bobby, you picked Travis Hunter here for this conversation?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, man. I mean his ECR is wide receiver 29. So he's a wide receiver three, which means he would be starting wide receiver in a dynasty league if you're playing three wideouts. I've got him at 39, so I do have him lower than that. But I fully admit if he plays wide receiver mainly, he should surge way beyond this. But we saw Myers getting an extension. We've talked on this show about Parker Washington's awesome season and his surge. BTJ was underutilized in this offense this year. Seems like maybe he's a trade candidate, maybe he's not. I'm not 100% sure where we're landing on that either. So where does Travis Hunter fit? He fits on the other side of the ball, honestly. And we saw their GM James Gladstone say that he'll play both ways, but he will see more defensive reps in 2026. So you know when Travis Hunter was traded up for by the Jacksonville Jaguars and shot Khan, the owner of AEW and always wanting to make a splash and sell jerseys and all that, I went, oh, he's definitely a white out for this team. Like that's why you trade up for him. You trade up for him to put him on offense and sell jerseys. Right? Like that was the whole point. But the injury to the LCL that he had at the end of October made a pathway for Parker Washington to have a great season. Made a pathway for Jacoby Myers to be traded for and then they liked him so much they gave him an extension. So it seems like in one span of four short months here, we have seen Travis Hunter go from potentially one of the better wide receivers in the league to maybe a full time corner. So I don't know what to do with Travis Hunter right now. I'll feel way better if they trade away Brian Thomas Jr. And like I said before, I think that there's no player more likely to be traded than Brian Thomas Jr. So I do think he goes, which would be better for Travis Hunter. I'd move him up in the rankings. At that point. But as it stands right now, I think he has to be a wide receiver four, because we just don't know how much he's going to play on offense.

[Ryan Wormley]

I. I just have no interest in being on this roller coaster unless something comes out that is like, hey, he's definitively a wide receiver only going forward, which obviously is not, you know, seemingly in the cards. I just don't want to be playing hard to blame you. I don't. I don't care how talented he is. I don't care how good I think he would be if he was a. In a different situation. I just don't want to have the headache and play the guessing games. I would so much rather have almost any name that's near him in the rankings and plenty of names that are lower than him. Like, Ricky Pearsall is, like, five spots lower than Travis Hunter and ecr. Like, I'd so much rather have Ricky Piersall on my Dynasty roster. And he's not the only one. So, like, yeah, like, for me, it's like. Like, Hunter's not even, like, a difficult name. For me. He is a very easy. I'm just not. Not all that interested. And, Fitz, this is another thing we talked about a little bit earlier this week about how, you know, we're not hoping to. We're not. We're not trying to be too much like, victory lapping here, but, like, we were all very much in agreement on kind of being a little bit lower than consensus in these rookie drafts last year on Travis Hunter. Like, we had some degree of interest, but not at the level where, I mean, he was going as, like, the third pick in a lot of the leagues I was in, and I just never had any interest at that spot.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, ahead of Ted AOA McMillan in a lot of drafts, which I always thought was absurd. And I think in my final rankings, I also had Ameca Ebuka ranked ahead of him. And now, as it turns out, we should have had Luther Burden ranked ahead of him, too, and maybe Matthew golden as well, but the jury's still out on that. The funny thing is that that ranking wide receiver, 29 in ECR, that is like a snapshot of an anchor that was released from a boat two seconds ago. Now, when we take the next snapshot, do we think the anchor is going to be positioned higher or lower than it was when it was dropped from about two seconds ago? So, like, the. The next. I'm sure, like, in a couple months after he's taking primarily cornerback snaps in the Jaguars first minicamp.

[Scott Bogman]

A lot of updates on that Dynasty cr.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So, yeah, I just. And it almost kind of makes you wonder, like, that was a big move for the Jaguars and they're sacrificing major draft capital to go up and get Travis Hunter, and now they're just yo yoing what position he's going to be like. It just seems like James Gladstone, I don't know. Did. Did he really have that much of a plan or was it just a splashy move he wanted to make in his first year as gm? So, yeah, I. Right now I'm looking at where I have him, and I've got him at wide receiver, 49 in my dynasty rankings. And just behind him are Alec, I am an Booty, and Trey Harris and Jalen Coker. And I'm looking at this. I'm like, why do I have a cornerback ranked ahead of some pretty talented young receivers? So, yeah, I mean, if. And if you try to sell them, the problem is here's this guy you drafted, you know, somewhere between 103 and 106 last year, and now you're trying to get what, a second round, 20, 26 pick for him, a third round 2027. Like you're selling for pennies on the dollar.

[Ryan Wormley]

So it sounds like Fitz, you think that his ECR ranking is more off than your Jacksonville Jaguar wide receiver. You have on this list Brian Thomas Jr. Who's up at wide receiver. 19.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, for sure. Like, I don't necessarily disagree with that Brian Thomas ECR spot. I'm a little lower at 21.

[Scott Bogman]

Same.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, 21 also. But at least we know unless Travis Hunter is playing 60% or more of the Jaguars offensive snaps and wide receiver, he's just not someone you can start. And if you can't start him confidently, what is his value to you? In fantasy, in dynasty.

[Ryan Wormley]

And Thomas, is he like. Like this time a year ago was thought of as. This is like a potential like top five wide receiver dynasty asset. Like, I mean, just coming off of what he did as a rookie was like, pretty exciting. And then. Then you throw in that they're getting at this new offensive mastermind calling plays for a guy with his skill set and just athleticism and talent and like, sky felt like the limit. And now we're coming off just like one of the most disappointing seasons, you know, that anybody had last year of. Of anybody who was relatively healthy. So when you try to evaluate Thomas, like, do you find yourself, Fitz, leaning more toward how he felt a year ago versus like, like Are you trying to not overreact to the second season? Are you feeling like, well, what if the rookie season is the outlier? What direction do you kind of feel yourself, you know, swaying?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I'm worried that BTJ is not going to pop as long as Trevor Lawrence is his quarterback, because we have seen that Lawrence generally favors his slot receiver and his tight end, and his outright outside receivers can be afterthoughts at times. You know, BTJ did his best work in his rookie season, not with Trevor Lawrence at quarterback for the Jaguars, but with Mac Jones filling in for the injured Lawrence. So, I don't know, maybe the Jaguars move Brian Thomas Jr. And we feel a lot differently. But if they don't, he could have at least two or three more years with Trevor Lawrence, and I don't think that would be a good thing for his dynasty value. Like, he's just so hard to appraise. He went from. Well, the surface stats were 87 catches, 1282 yards, 10 touchdowns in year one to 48 catches for 707 yards and two touchdowns in 14 games in year two. But the stat that jumps out to me, 2.45 yards per route run as a rookie, 1.45 yards per route run as a sophomore.

[Ryan Wormley]

Where do you come down? Bogman?

[Scott Bogman]

Such a disappointment. I mean, honestly, put him anywhere else. That's what I want to see. I want to see him leave because I want to see more Travis Hunter on the field. I want to see Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington take off with Jacksonville. And Brendan Strange had a good year, too. Like, they don't need him. And they can, you know, get another asset for him, maybe fix an offensive line spot. They still have issues in the secondary. You know, get some rotational players on the line, like, move him. Move him to a better situation for him and get something else for yourself because, you know, you brought in this whole staff, you saw what works. It's really good, even without Brian Thomas Jr. So move him for something else and get him somewhere else where he can go. I mean, Pittsburgh has been trying to trade for a second wide receiver forever. Buffalo tried to trade for Brian Thomas Jr. Last year. Cleveland needs a wide receiver. So many teams I feel like could do more with btj, which is why I think he's the most obvious player to be traded this off season. So I don't know if it'll happen because teams get weird about that. And if you get a bidding war, sometimes they try to shoot for the stars and overshoot, and no one wants to offer them that. And Then they get bitter and don't do it. So the trade process is fragile, but I think it, it should and will get done this off season.

[Ryan Wormley]

If you have a breakout you're trying to buy, join the Fantasy Pros community on Discord and share your moves in one of our Dynasty threads. Chat with other fans and get access to exclusive AMAs that wind up on our podcast feed. Our current schedule looks like this. Myself and Fitz at 5 Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month and the Bog Minute Fitz at 5 Eastern on the third Tuesday of every month. Come get your questions answered and be on the [e-mail] chat. All right, Bogman, who is your next wide receiver?

[Scott Bogman]

Let's go with Quentin Johnston. His ECR is 48. I have him at 55. And you know, we have Keenan Allen most likely leaving here, wide receiver 1 or 2. For the first month for QJ, he was 3, then 23, then 22, then 6. And then after that, he was wide receiver once for the rest of the season. Week 16, he was 11th and was a wide receiver two. Two more times. He also got banged up. Lad had an awful year. Omarion Hampton got banged up as well. He had O line issues. So I think on the surface, you look at QJ and you go, okay, let's take Keenan Allen out of here. Let's go. You know, with QJ to get more targets this year, is he going to get more. I don't think so. I think Trey Harris steps right in that spot and plays well. We talked about him as a riser earlier this year. You know, I think that Herbert could pass the ball a little bit more getting those tackles back. Right. Because it was gross with the tackles hurt down the stretch here for this O line. Improve the interior of the own line. But I think that's just going to have them run the ball more as well. So I just, I don't really like qj. I think that first month, you should have sold him at that point. And I just, I can see where he gets better. Right? I can see because you, you do lose Keenan Allen and he should be stepping into his prime right now. And the hands are better. You have to admit that. Like, I think everybody has to admit that. Is he still going to have drops? Sure. But the hands are better. They're clearly improved. So just, I get a queasy feeling trying to rank Quentin Johnston, and that's why he's on this list.

[Ryan Wormley]

He is a wide receiver 48 in ECR fits. Where is he for you?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

32 that like, I'm way more bullish than you are, Bogs. See, like, yeah, I mean he, he is going to be a polarizing guy. What I see is a young guy who has overcome the one major obstacle he has, the, the hands thing. Seems to have overcome that. Has scored eight touchdowns each of the last two seasons. Just averaged a career best 8.8 yards per target. Only 24 years old, athletic freak who was a first round draft pick. And now we have to feel pretty good about Mike McDaniel coming in as the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. And he's tied to a really good quarterback in Justin Herbert. So like I, man, if, if you're selling, I'm buying Boggs.

[Scott Bogman]

Okay. Yeah, I, I, I don't, I just, I think Trey Harris is better than him. So I, I like Trey Harris a little bit more. We haven't seen that. Trey Harris is definitely unproven.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I think he could be, could be better. But right now, like, and see, and.

[Scott Bogman]

Again, this is why, you know, this is why I love this subject because it's confusing players. That first month was great and then he got nicked up. It wasn't a bad injury. I think it only kept him off the field for a week and he came back. I think he missed another game down the stretch. Right. So how much was he dragging around that injury to your point, you know, to, to having him ranked higher, how much did that affect him down the stretch? Did we see what he could be in the first month and then he was hurt and dragging that around for the rest of the year, so. QJ makes me queasy, man.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

It will be really interesting to see whether the Chargers pick up his fifth year option with Trey Harris behind him.

[Scott Bogman]

And what they do in the draft. You have Gadsden there, not down year.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I got a spoiler for you, Bugs. They're not drafting an X receiver in.

[Scott Bogman]

The draft this year, but another target wouldn't be surprising.

[Ryan Wormley]

I, I don't think I'm quite as bullish as Fitz is, but I am very much drinking the Kool Aid on the fit of Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert and the idea that they're going to obviously like aggressively address the interior offensive line. I want to have a lot of pieces from this offense on my teams next year. Like, I think it is a good buying opportunity to just say like, like I, every year there are, you know, two or three off that. If you invested in this offense, you had a good fantasy year. Like it was kind of the breakout offense. Not that this would be like a total breakout come out of nowhere. Nobody believes in them offense because there is belief out there. But I want to buy, buy high into the Chargers in 2026. I think it is going to be an offense worth investing in and that you're going to be happy. You took a lot of swings on if you did.

[Scott Bogman]

So I think the third piece is going to be great for the Chargers. But the first two are Hampton and Lattice. Who's three? Is my question. Is it Gadsden? Is it Trey Harris? Is it qj? I think there are. I think there are legit questions around that.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I don't even know about that though because there were times this year where like Quentin Johnston was the more valuable guy outright over periods of like three or four games than lad was.

[Ryan Wormley]

You.

[Scott Bogman]

You don't think that McDaniel, like, I think if I'm McDaniel, the first thing I do is try to fix whatever was going on with Ladd this year. Sure, that's my first objective.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I just don't know whether he's a true go to receiver. Like, I think he's. I think maybe he winds up with the most catches or whatever. But like, is he. Do I see him as the clear lead receiver with the Chargers? I do not. I think it's more of an ensemble thing and he and QJ are both a big part of that.

[Ryan Wormley]

I guess what I'm really, you know, would really like to do is invest in Justin Herbert and not have to worry about who is the, you know, target to care about. All right, Fitz, let's go to a receiver from you who is drafted just a couple of picks away from Quentin Johnson in his year.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, Jordan Addison. So not the number one receiver on his own team. That role obviously belongs to Justin Jefferson. Even though Jefferson is coming off a down year, the Vikings quarterback position is unsettled. Maybe J.J. mcCarthy will be better in 2026, maybe not. And we don't know what Minnesota's fallback option is going to be at QB. Addison, wildly talented. Like he was a first round pick. He scored 19 touchdowns in his first two seasons. Even with Jefferson around, I think Jordan Addison could be a number one receiver on another team. Like put him on the Raiders or the jets or the Titans or even the Bills. And he is a number one receiver. But the 2026 outlook is really murky because of what the Vikings offense looks like. And I don't know if the Vikings are going to pick up his fifth year option. Addison's fifth year option. That is because, well, Like Rasheed Rice, Jordan Addison has some off the field concerns. He was charged with reckless driving in 2023. He was arrested for DUI in January 2024, leading to a three game suspension at the beginning of the 2025 season. And then just last month, Jordan Addison arrested for misdemeanor trespassing.

[Scott Bogman]

That was dismissed.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

That was dismiss. Okay, I did not see that.

[Scott Bogman]

And his DUI was him sleeping in his driveway in the car, by the way. I didn't know that until like last month. It's still a stupid decision.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

But when they find you in your car sleeping like you were probably already driving, that's not good. And then bogs, like there was the. Remember how he missed that team walkthrough before the Vikings Week 5 game in London.

[Scott Bogman]

It ain't perfect.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Like he said this was before his second game back. And he. Even if there's a.

[Ryan Wormley]

Uses for all these instances, like to fit this point when they keep adding.

[Scott Bogman]

They keep adding.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, yeah, something.

[Scott Bogman]

It's kind of, it's kind of like a worse version of Keon Coleman. Like Keon Coleman keeps missing meetings. So he's not causing problems off the field, but it is, it's. It's a pattern. Absolutely.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

So it's.

[Ryan Wormley]

Do you continue?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

No, I was just going to say I'm a big believer in the talents, but the, the current situation and the off the field concerns make it hard to feel great about him as a dynasty asset right now.

[Ryan Wormley]

I was going to say I feel like Fitz, I remember last year, us talking about Addison on a show and us kind of like tongue in cheek, like you were very high on him and said, and I have him in a league that you and I are both in and you saying like, like, make me an offer, send him my way. Like you wanted to be buying on him. Do you feel like you're just kind of in the middle and not sure what direction do you want to go? Do you feel like you have, you know, gone in a different direction now and are actively looking more to sell? Or are you still interested in buying if the price is right?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Where do we have him in ECR? Because I've got him at wide receiver 25, which might be you.

[Ryan Wormley]

You are higher than ECR. He's wide receiver 27. He's the first name at the top of tier five in ECR.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

So I just like, I think he is going to be a guy that I, I would want to have in like 20, 28, when presumably he is no longer playing with Justin Jefferson and is Somewhere else and. But I just, he's a hard guy to trade for right now knowing that he's still going to be in this weird situation with a real dicey quarterback situation and with Justin Jefferson there presumably in line for a bounce back season or worthy fits. Addison.

[Scott Bogman]

You want Addison or Michael Wilson?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Addison. I just think Addison's a better player than those guys.

[Ryan Wormley]

Those guys are well behind Addison and ecr.

[Scott Bogman]

Well, I'm looking at my rankings. Addison or Pearsall.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I like Addison a little more.

[Scott Bogman]

I have, I have those guys 32, 33.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

So that one's close for sure.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

The guys I've got Addison sandwiched in between right now are Zay Flowers and Devontae Smith.

[Ryan Wormley]

Okay, so I, I was going to bring up because a couple of the names that around him are also number twos in their offenses, which I think is an interesting. Like, like Zay Flowers is the number one guy, you know, as of right now. So like it's, it's, it's interesting one. But the guys who are also number two, that I think is kind of like a more compelling, you know, debate. So like the names directly ahead of Addison and ecr, Luther Burden, who's not a clear number one. Jalen Waddle, Jameson Williams, you know, Roma Dunes on the other side of Burden and Zay Flowers, those are the five names ahead of him. So some of those guys who are also not the clear number ones fits. Would you rather have Addison of the groups of number twos or would you rather have, you know, the Jalen Waddles, the Burdens, the Jameson Williams?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Well, I'm like outrageously above consensus on Burden. I've got him like as a low end wide receiver one and I've got Jameson Williams inside the top 20, so I'd rather have him. And who was the, I'm sorry, who was the last guy?

[Ryan Wormley]

Jaylen Waddle, Zay Flowers, you already mentioned and Roma Dunes. They are the other two that are ahead of him.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, I've got Addison two spots ahead of Jalen Waddle, but I'm second guessing that one.

[Scott Bogman]

Okay. Got all those guys way ahead of him by the way. And Zay. I have absurdly. What's Zay's ECR?

[Ryan Wormley]

25.

[Scott Bogman]

I got him at 20, so I'm excited about him being a number one, you know, in Baltimore now that we're adjusting the offense a little bit, probably to pass more.

[Ryan Wormley]

So Erickson and I have talked so much about Zay Flash. So is Jake Seeley on our show is just about like, are the red zone targets going to come. That's really all that matters for Zay if he's going to be, you know, overvalued.

[Scott Bogman]

And that's what Addison makes his money doing is catching touchdowns. I mean, touchdowns nine and eight his first two seasons. So, yeah, I mean, you got one.

[Ryan Wormley]

More wide receiver for us.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I'm hiding his. Brandon iuk. What the hell?

[Ryan Wormley]

I think we can go a little quickly on this because, like, what do we even have to say about.

[Scott Bogman]

I just want to give you the timeline because this is the funniest thing to me. November 15, 2024, knee injury, ACL and MCL out. March, good, good in reviews. June, doing tremendous, thriving in workouts. July, he's a coach on the sideline. He's so good. August, week six is a realistic timeline. September 25th, still not close. October 13th, closer and closer. October 23rd, lynch says hope and evidence IUK will be back this season. November 5th, Shanahan pretty confident IUK will play again. And then November 21st, IUK is not expected to play after the team voided his contract guarantees. So this went from this dude is coming off a major injury. Maybe he's back a little bit later than we thought to he is now insane and not showing up to anything and doesn't look like he's ever going to play for the Niners again. In fact, they have said he's not going to play for the Niners again. So currently his ECR is 47 and I think that's just a. And look, I still don't want to bury IUK because if he comes back and plays, we know he's a good wide receiver, but it seems like he's Antonio Brown light right now, not showing up and losing this massive contract that he worked so hard to get. So I just don't know where we should even possibly begin to stand on Brandon Iuk. I have him at 57, so I don't want no part of him fits in ecr.

[Ryan Wormley]

Brandon IUK is one spot away from Quentin Johnston. I know based on our conversation already that you're going to have Johnson and higher. So let me ask you about a different name who is much higher in ecr, but I wonder where you would put them head to head, IUK or Travis Hunter? Who would you rather have in Dynasty?

[Pat Fitzmorris]

I mean, I've got Hunter ranked almost 20 spots higher. I've got a six.

[Scott Bogman]

So you are like, yeah, he's more out than me.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Gotcha.

[Scott Bogman]

I like it.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

You're like, I mean, so you don't.

[Scott Bogman]

But, but I like this because you don't find it difficult at all. You're just out and I'm. I'm hemming and ha. A little bit over here. Yeah.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Which I understand because he is a former first round pick who's had a couple of thousand yard seasons and I mean that 1300 yard season. Oh, and he's also like 9.6 yards per target for his career. Phenomenal number. It's just that it's been so long since we've seen him do anything, you know, from this whole 49ers experience. Maybe he's gotten jobbed by the organization behind the scenes and we don't know it, but it does make him seem flighty. So I'm just.

[Ryan Wormley]

He.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

The fact that he's going into his age 28 season and we haven't seen anything from him in a couple of years now is like a reason. I'm just not interested in buying at all.

[Ryan Wormley]

Let's do one tight end here before we wrap up the show. Fitz, you have Dalton Kincaid.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah. And we're three years into Dalton Kincaid's career and I'm still not sure what to make of this dude. Like his efficiency in 2025 was absolutely off the charts. Targeted on something like 24% of his routes, which is great for a tight end. He averaged 2.70 yards per route run in 2025, which is just a bonkers number, like even for a wide receiver, let alone a tight end. Jamar Chase for his career, 2.23 yards per out run. And Kincaid was at 2.70 last season. And now it's come out that Kincaid was playing through a torn PCL in 2025. But apparently he didn't have surgery for that injury and doesn't plan to, which is a little disconcerting. Missed five games in 2025, missed four games in 2024. And Kincaid wasn't anything close to a full time player in 2025, even if you count the Bills playoff games. So that would give Kincaid 14 games this past season. He played more than half of the Bill's offensive snaps in only three of those games. And there was not a single game in which he played a snapshare of more than 55%. The bills gave a lot of snaps to Dawson Knox. They also gave some pretty significant snaps to Jackson Hawes, who's an exceptional blocker. So even though Kincaid was like wildly efficient as a pass catcher, and even though the Bills had one of the worst wide receiver groups in the league, this Year Kincaid didn't see anything close to full time snaps and I just don't know what to do with all of this. Like the hyper efficiency makes me think he's a buyer but the durability and usage issues are big red flags.

[Ryan Wormley]

We weren't required to, you know, include certain positions for this show, but if we had said you have to pick a tight end, I would have bet any amount of money that it was either going to be Dalton Concate or Kyle Pitts as the, the Titan. That was difficult to to value right now. So I'm in total agreement here. Those guys are actually back to back. They're tight end eight and tight end nine in ECR and you know the guys ahead of them, Bowers, McBride, Loveland, Warren, LaPorta Fan and Kraft. Yeah, those all make sense. I agree with those being higher. The guys after Breton, Strange, Gadsden, Ferguson, Kittle, Theo Johnson, Mark Andrews, you know, Goddard, Hawkinson, yada yada. I pretty much mostly agree with them being behind Gadson's one where like, you know, if you really believe in that first month, like I see him being higher but like for the most part I think that's pretty fair. Those guys are behind. So it's not even that. The ranking of pits and Kincaid. I'm kind of looping pits in here. I know the topic is Kincaid. It's not that the ranking is all that crazy, but I think the, the value of tight end 8 or tight end 9 is where I'm struggling to kind of come down. Like, like I think it's a, it's one of those conversations where the, the value is more difficult to come down on than the ranking itself. Bagman.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I mean we could have, I feel like we could have so much more from Dalton Kincaid. The things preventing that are just the multiple uses of tight ends out of this system in Buffalo and I think it's probably not going to change a lot. The run game work very well. So, and this is all without like Fitzy mentioned, without a true number one white out, right. Without a number one target that just absolutely dominates receptions right now, which could easily change for Buffalo depending on if they trade for BTJ or they go and draft somebody high or sign somebody big, whatever that is. I think that it just doesn't help Dalton Kincaid. So I think Dalton Kincaid is limited by the Buffalo Bills offense, which is weird to say because the offense is so good, but they mix their tight ends so much and they don't care about fantasy. They, they like what they have and it's been working for them. So I don't see much changing for Kincaid until he gets out of Buffalo, if he ever does get out of Buffalo. And that's going to keep him as a low end, tight end one to me. I have him at nine and that's just. I think that's where he is in ecr. Isn't that what you said, Worm? So, I mean, he just. That's where he sits for me, kind of in a tier of his own. I think there's way more upside here, but we're never going to get it unless he moves.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Would you guys rather have Kincaid or ronde Gadsden the second?

[Scott Bogman]

I rather have Kincaid.

[Ryan Wormley]

I. That first month of Gadsden's breakout, we were having some conversations about him being ranked really aggressively in Dynasty there. It feels like, I mean, both offenses kind of have a lot of mouths to feed. Even if I like the skilled players in LA better, I think I probably lean. I might actually lean Gadsden as I'm talking about it now. But I think it's really. I think, I think those two and Pitts are like, that's the tier after the top seven that I would kind of put all three together.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

Yeah, I've got. I've got Gadsden one spot ahead of Kincaid right now, but I'm second guessing it.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, I find that to be a real tricky one. I think I'd probably go Gadsden just for the age difference and feeling and I don't know if this feeling is correct, but feeling maybe a little bit more upside. I guess part of that is the age, you know, angle of it.

[Scott Bogman]

But I think it's possible that Gadson could be better for fantasy for sure. I just think Kincaid's a much better overall player than Gadsden. Gadson is very fantasy specific, but I also think that he could get boxed out by so many weapons in that offense. Like you, like you said before, Worm Herbert is the biggest beneficiary of this entire offense with Mike McDaniel more than anybody else. So maybe Hampton is beneficiary too. But how are they going to mix that usage up? Because you have lad, you have qj, you have Harris, and you have Gadson. I just think it's going to be, at least in Buffalo you don't have that. Kincaid should be your number two like every game.

[Ryan Wormley]

I mean, would it totally stun you guys if a year from now we had Gadson as clearly ahead of like Fanon in. In Dynasty?

[Scott Bogman]

In Fanon. It would surprise me because given the quarterback.

[Ryan Wormley]

Quarterback. One of them's playing with Justin Herbert. The other one's playing with Shador Sanders. One of them is Mike McDaniel as their OC. The other one, I like Todd Monkey, but he's not Mike McDaniel. I don't think it's off.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, but improve the quarterback play a little bit in Cleveland. Fannin is way better. Way, way better. I think Fanon is closer to that elite level than he is to Gadston.

[Pat Fitzmorris]

And Fannin is the best pass catcher in Cleveland right now, whereas Gadsden has to deal with, you know, lad, qj, Trey Harris, I guess.

[Ryan Wormley]

I guess my thought is I'm not sure how much that quarterback spot is improving in Cleveland anytime soon.

[Scott Bogman]

So it never has. So that's a good point to make.

[Ryan Wormley]

Despite the fact that they have a Pro bowl quarterback, I'm not sure how much I'm buying. All right, let's go ahead and wrap up the conversation there. Those were our 10 Dynasties players that we just cannot figure out. For Bogman and Fitz, I'm Ryan Wormley. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll see you again next time. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Follow us on x, Instagram and TikTok at fantasypros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com fantasypros.

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