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10 Dynasty Rookie Draft Targets | QB & TE Studs, Values, and Lottery Tickets (Ep. 2010)
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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the fantasy football podcast. It is me, Joey P, Joe P. Zeppia. And this is part three of a three part series where we're looking at all of the best of the rookies that have now joined the NFL. And today we're going to talk about the tight ends and the quarterbacks and my two best friends, Pat, Fitz, Morris and of course the athletics. Jake Seeley are going to help us break down the value plays, the lottery tickets and, and the alpha dogs that are going to make immediate impact. I don't know how many alpha dog quarterbacks there might be. I think maybe there's one. I don't know if you know, it's an Alpha. We'll see. We'll see what the guys think. Don't forget to subscribe to this channel. And of course, for more Dynasty information, subscribe to the new Dynasty Fantasy Pros podcast and the podcast feed and the YouTube channel. And while you're subscribing to us, help us all out and help yourself out. Have the best time ever. Go to tailgate NFL on the YouTube search button. Go in there, type it in, subscribe to our new channel. Here is our latest. And it's not fantasy, it's not wagering, it's just football. It's people talking football, having a good time doing it. And you're going to enjoy it too. Lots of laughs, lots of fun, lots of NFL. That's what we're doing over at Tailgate NFL. Check it out today. And a gentleman today. Let's get things kicked off here with the Alphas at these positions. So perhaps we shall take a certain approach here. Jake, where are we going here? We're just going to talk basically about Fernando Mendoza here. Is that, is that what we're going to do? You want to talk about Kenyan Sadiq? What do you want to do here? Because it's not exactly a high point for quarterbacks in 2026 if we're talking Alphas.
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Elites.
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Next topic.
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Okay, well, here's a question for you. I'm going to ask you a question back because this is my job. I ask questions. Do you think Fernando Mendoza has the ceiling and the surroundings to become an elite fantasy quarterback at some point in his career?
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Yes. Not yet. So, yes, I think so. Yes, I think it could be. You know, there's been arguments, I've brought it up before where people have argued for him that Joe Burrow did the same thing in college. And I get it, that we have the one year sample, then we have the talent around him and blah blah, blah blah. You watch Joe Burrow and you watch Fernando Mendoza coming to the NFL and it's not the same tape, it's not the same player. Like Burrow was more projectable. That said, if Mendoza ended up being a top 10 quarterback, heck top seven, would I be shocked? No. Like we have quarterbacks who have played three great seasons who have bombed in the NFL. We've had quarterbacks like Burrow and others who have done one to two seasons and succeeded. So like to say either has more value than the other. It doesn't. It just comes down to Washington. Mendoza. Mendoza does a lot of things very well and there's a lot of still questions with his game. That's the problem. So the way that the Raiders are approaching I think is smart is go out there and say he is not our day one starter because they're doing the same thing that the Giants did with Jackson Dart. He's not the day one starter. If he impresses so much that he forces our hand, of course we're going to do it and that's a good thing for them. If he takes a few games where he's like Jackson Dart doesn't start to the fourth, fifth, sixth week of the season cool because you got him that more reps. He got time to sit there and learn and potentially see. And if he sets out the entire rookie season, that's not a death knell to his career. We've seen quarterbacks do the same thing and go on to have top 10 careers in the NFL. So I think there's a lot of ways that he gets there. The team makeup right now is where I say no. Yes, he has Genti, yes he has Bowers. We can make arguments for the wide receivers but I think we're kind of trying to vault all the wide receivers right now. Like I don't think he has an answer as his one. Like he doesn't. He doesn't have an answer as right now. I think that's fair and I think that's think that might be part of their thinking is that they're saying, you know what to throw them in with the collection that we have. We do have some but we're kind of half throwing them to the wolves because we don't have the best makeup around them. And that's something for 2027 we address in free agency or again the draft next year with the wide receivers that are there. Hell you imagine best case scenario and you throw Jeremiah Smith on this team with him next year and then all of a sudden you predict. But like, so I say there's a path for him to get to be the top 10. Would I say that as of today with the joke that I made? No. But would it shock me? I. I can see Mendoza being a top 10 quarterback.
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Can I illuminate that path, Joe? Can I light a few candles and tell you what it is? Because I think most people look at Mendoza as more of a floor guy and they see like if he pans out, it's going to be sort of Jared Goffian type value where it's just he's a really solid QB2. And I mean I see some people in rookie super flat super flex rankings putting one or more of the wide receivers above him, which I think is personally crazy. But here's the path to upside. It's the Dak Prescott path. Play on a team where Mendoza has a bad defense and he has a few good weapons around him. Like maybe the Raiders do luck their way into Jeremiah Smith in next year's class all of a sudden give him Jeremiah Smith, Brock Bowers and a bad defense and he runs more than Jared Goff. Like Dak Prescott, who has had really good weapons and bad defenses early in his career. Dak Prescott was at least never a runner, but he was pumping out like six touchdown runs a season.
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Three strangers.
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It could. Yeah, Mendoza could do like always very
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efficient with the football. Pat he would not turn the ball over, which was always good. That was the early Dak Prescott. Mo was lots of good amount of touchdowns, hardly any interceptions.
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Well here I'll jump one back to you because since Joe jumped in, two FETs not cut you off. But like Baker Mayfield no more running 4 or 500 yards and the peak. But like Baker Mayfield that we just saw two years ago. And that's what I said like that. If he hits that like that, I think that ceilings of all ceilings. But two years ago, Baker Mayfield, when he was a top five for us in fantasy, I don't think you would call him top 5 in real life that season even so. But I think that is in play because I think he will run more. I'm glad you brought that up because people make that Jared Goff comparison. But like Jared Goff doesn't run like he will. Mendoza will run.
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And. And we are stretching the the definition of elite just a little bit because Fernando's never going to be Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Obviously there's just not that type of rushing upside. But in the the best passing seasons we've seen Dak Prescott have he's finished as a upper upper end QB1 and I think Mendoza could have upper end QB1 season.
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Let me float a question out to you guys Joe because you know we've obviously all of us have done rookie dynasty drafts at this point and I have an intriguing question for you. Let's say you're the one two and love obviously goes first but you actually have three quality quarterbacks. Do you turn to wide receiver even if you let's just say you have a good team. Like you have good wide receivers. You traded for the one two you and I'm just trying to think of scenario where like quarterbacks that set wide receiver set like you're you're in a good spot at those two positions. Do you still go Mendoza or do you let other team potentially better for it and take one of the three Whether it's Tyson Tate or Lemon in
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a super flex quarterback is capital and King. So I would take Mendoza just to have him on the roster and either look to on I would look to unload one of my older quarterbacks for more draft picks for 2027 and kind of get ahead of that cycle a little bit or I would trade that 102 out because if I've got quarterbacks and my team looks good and I'm not and I got wide receivers, then I think there's somebody else in this league that's willing to overpay for Mendoza too. And I also like that if you're going to give me 2027 first rounders for my 102 or whatever that might be or a player that can really help me now to win a championship, I think that pick has a ton of value in the circumstances you just laid out. Pat, what do you think?
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Oh, I totally agree. Like don't draft for need and dynasty. We like to trade more than NFL teams like to trade. It's easier to trade in dynasty than it is in the NFL. Don't have to worry about salary cap ramifications. So if you have a glut at one position and a shortage at another, that's fine. Like you can go out in the go to the trading post and you know, leverage your surplus and get what you need.
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I want to ask you guys about Ty Simpson a second because I think when a quarterback goes in the first round people start to try to convince themselves of things. And I'm not saying that Ty Simpson can't go out there and end up having a good NFL career. He very well might. There is a circumstance that could break for him where Matthew Stafford calls it a day. Sean McVeigh stays. They have a young quarterback who is now controllable and a lot of money's off the books with Matthew Stafford and they can invest around him and build something nice like that is not an impossibility. I feel it to be an unlikely scenario because I do believe the Rams are a playoff team again and I do believe that Sean McVeigh has his eyes on going to the booth sooner than later, making a crap ton of money with a much easier job. I think that Matthew Stafford has retirement in his front view mirror, not so much the rear view. So I find it. I think Ty Simpson is a very dangerous investment because if the scenario I'm laying out in the latter part comes to fruition, you're going to have basically a new regime come in, want to have their own guys and they might not look at Ty Simpson the same way necessarily that the current regime has or at least as designs upon. So it's a very tricky thing. So Pat, talk to me about Ty Simpson and your evaluation because I don't know how much you and I have actually I know we've like you've talked about on the shows, but you and I have really kind of dug in. I want to hear your take on Ty Simpson because the draft capital that was spent on him was I think enormous and I think really exceeded what our expectations were or the league's expectation for that matter.
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Yeah. So the point you bring up is interesting, Joe. I mean I like that one of the smarter organizations in the league was the one that drafted Ty Simpson. And I would not have been as enthusiastic about him had he gone either the Cardinals or the jets, which everyone figured were two of his likeliest destinations going into the draft. That the, the Rams decided to stick and pick him at number 13 is a pretty like that's encouraging for Ty Simpson's outlook. I think he's going to a team that's got a really nice offensive infrastructure even if you know, Devonte Adams obviously isn't going to be there long term and Puka Naku is going through some things but um, maybe McVeigh goes. I, I don't know if he still wants to. To scratch the broadcast itch or not anytime sooner. But you said full scale regime change show like I think Les Snead has as much job security as any general manager in the league right now. So I don't think.
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Yeah, but is it tough to convince your new head coach at Ty Simpson is the guy that you need to pursue. Like a head coach is going to come in to a very theoretically, let's say championship caliber. Right. Because if everybody retires, they've either won a Super bowl or maybe got there and you're going to convince that new head coach that Ty Simpson is the guy you have to run with.
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Like I think maybe, I mean, maybe that's part of the interview. Outline your vision for Ty Simpson when you're interviewing with less sneed and the ones that can outline a clear vision for him. Like we don't know, if Ty Simpson comes in and is terrible and looks awful in preseason games and training camp, then he's just not going to be the guy. And there's a chance that happens. Like the arm strength is just kind of meh. Kind of fell apart late in his one season as a starter. But there are some things to like here, like pretty squeaky clean mechanics, high level processing ability, accurate on the shorter throws. Like he's a guy who I think can run an offense that's built around his strengths.
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All right, Jake, any thoughts on Ty Simpson you want to share here before we move on to the tight ends real quick?
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I mean we saw two different versions of them. You have the same argument for Mendoza if you want a limited sample size in college and where he played for. But I mean we can talk about picks in the first round quarterback wise. I mean go back to 2007. I mean there's a lot. Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn that year. That was fun, wasn't it? How about 2010? Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow, that was hella fun. E.J. manuel was the only one his year. Blake Bortle's, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater one year. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota went one two by the way that year. So like I mean Paxton lynch was a first round. I'm just, I pulled these up the other day. Mitch Trubisky, as we all know. I know like Dwayne Haskins and Daniel Jones were first rounders. Rest in peace. Dwayne Haskins, like Kenny Pickett was the only his year. So you can go down this list. JJ McCarthy just last year, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson. Bryce Young was the first pick. Is he even going to be a quarterback in the NFL starting in a year or two. So like there's a lot here where like first round it doesn't actually. I mean you pull up this entire list and the reason I pulled it up this is the last 20 years there are more misses than hits. Let's make that clear. The NFL has shown us one thing just like the rest of us. We're doing our best to evaluate and nobody's really that great at it. I want to give credit, as Fitz said to the Rams and if we were talking pre injury Simpson, completely different story. But you can talk about the teams he faced, the top, whatever it might be. You watch Simpson. My biggest concern is that I don't like how he throws over the middle of the field. Even before the injury, I think there was a lot of those passes because of his timing and how much he takes and throws into windows that are now gone. In the NFL, you're going to get bad passes and interceptions. Can he improve? Is he in a great spot? You give me a list of three teams you want to put me with for a quarterback to get the best out of him. The Rams are going to be one of them. The Rams might be number one. All that being said is there's zero guarantee with Simpson. And I'm not even talking about. Everything you brought up is what is the question next year of what this team looks like and. And a sense of need to answer after that. What if Stafford hangs on for two or three more years like and at that point, like there's just a lot here.
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Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers hung on for three years in Green Bay. I think I said on a past show that Love had a two year apprenticeship. It was actually a three year apprenticeship, but then year four. The only problem was that then the packers had to immediately decide whether they wanted to give him the fifth year option. Like without really, without really knowing what kind of starter he was going to be.
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You're going to get out of it. The red light therapy, man. Matthew Stafford is going to keep playing. Sorry, we're going to talk.
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He talked about it before. But I mean you mentioned earlier, Jake, how the NFL so many misses. I mean the number one overall pick since 1980, only five hall of Famers. With the number one overall pick, John Elway, Bruce Smith, Troy Aikman, Orlando Pace
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and oh here number one pick, quarterbacks jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford, Andrew Locke. Cool. Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence finally just showed something in Bryce Young and Caleb Williams last year. Those are.
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Quarterback evaluation is hard, man. Go back to the early 2000s. There was that draft where Tim Couch and Akili Smith both got drafted ahead of Donovan McNabb.
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Ak o', Brien, remember, went ahead of.
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I Had hopes for Akili Smith. Admittedly, I will say that he had a hope.
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Let's not forget pick 199, Tom Brady. All right? Remember the Brady six. Let's, I mean, come on, let's, let's talk about the tight ends in this position too. There's Kenya Sadiq, who I think we all agree is the best talented tight end, but he landed with the jets, which might not be the best scenario, especially for 2026. Then you have Eli Stowers, who, you know, he's got Dallas Goddard there. But I mean, certainly the future, you can map it out and see the path for Eli Stowers. So Jake, give me your take on these two tight ends and then we'll move on to some of the value pick guys that might be out there at these positions.
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So go back to the whole situation with projectability is the fact that Sadiq is projectable. Like he doesn't have the numbers. We all know that he has all the comparisons to some of the best in the game that have ever played the position. But is he that and like, is he going to be another basically, basically like matchup metric freak who just doesn't pan out in the NFL because we projected too much? I'm still going to have Sadiq number one. I've seen arguments for Stowers now because of their landing spots and I'm okay with that. If you want to argue for Stowers, I get it because Goddard's essentially on a one year deal and gone and now you have Stowers playing as a top three option which we just saw Goddard be able to do with this team with Jalen hurts for the conceivable next couple of seasons. So I think Stowers, if you want to argue for it, I'll put it this way, Stowers better floor, Sadiq higher ceiling. But that's why to go back to the top of the show, when you said you do want elites, I would say none because Sadiq doesn't have the pedigree numbers wise that we've had from others like Bowers and all these, like even McBride had better than you could argue better than Sadiq projectible coming out of college.
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But I think so much of it is depends on the
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that offense.
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Eli Raritan is a very projectable, physical tight end, right. That the Patriots took and you're like, wow, that's a six, six tight end. And yeah, he didn't do a whole lot or catch a ton of touchdowns in Notre Dame, but you have to think about how the offense is structured too and weight funnels through and not every team just because they have to happen to have really great recruiting necessarily even going to utilize the tight end position depending on what the offensive coordinators and the head coach have in mind.
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But I think that's the thing is like you could actually argue that Sadiq should have had numbers coming out of Oregon. Like you should argue playing in that offense he should have done better. So I'm saying like there's and that. Look, I just said that I still have Sadiq number one. I know you weren't saying. I'm just pointing out the fact that like when we're talking about elites and why I made the joke, I don't think there's any guaranteed elites from the quarterback or tight end business position in this draft. That's all I'm saying.
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Fitzy, Sadiq and Stowers give me the, give me the takes on them right now and what you think their value is going forward.
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Yeah, I like Star wars more and it's not because of landing spots. Because look, I think the jets, yeah, it doesn't look good this year but next year they've got three first round draft picks and they're going to be terrible this year and they're going to get Arch Manning or maybe Kenyon Siddiq is reunited with Dante Moore who probably would have been the jets pick at number two this year had he come out instead of going back to school. So I'm not worried about that. It's the college production. And yes, Sadiq is an elite athlete but like Eli, Stowers is right on his heels for athleticism. Sadiq ran a 43 9. That's special. Stowers ran a 45 1, which is really fast for a tight end. Sadiq had a 43 and a half inch vertical jump. Amazing. Stowers 45 and a half inches. He was a Texas state high jump champ in high school. So the athleticism. Stowers is like right on Sadiq's heels. But then the college production. So Sadiq averaged 1.62 yards per route run last season. 1.72 for his career. Stowers 2.55 yards per outrun for Vandy last year, 2.34 for his career. He's clearly better in that category. Sadiq 19% target rate last season. Stowers 27% target rate. Sadiq a 9% drop rate for his college career. Stowers only 3.9% and Stowers won the Mackey Award last season. He was recognized as the best tight end in college football. I just think he's the better player.
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Why do you hate Sadiq?
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I don't hate Sadiq and I do have to reckon with the fact that Sadiq was taken 16th and Stowers was taken like 50 something but man, I just.
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Yeah, but look, was Benson even drafted or is he undrafted free agent like
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and we're talking he went, he went 6th, 6th, 7th, 6th or 7th to
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the race like he couldn't even be Benson for the number one. That like we're talking about nothing he was playing against and like that that's the thing is like I think Sadiq is a terrific talent but it's not also like more through what, 30 touchdowns and 30 something hundred. It's not like he did nothing in the passing game. Sadiq in my opinion watching going back and watching Oregon I'm like he should be doing more and maybe this is a thing like they didn't design him more but like I saw him out there running plenty of routes where I just felt like they made me Dante more. Maybe it's more of a him thing and he just didn't look to Sadiq.
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Hot take Jake. I think a lot of defenses looked at and said we have to find a way to stop Sadiq. Well that's what I was my answer to that like he looked like he was free. I think the reason why sometimes maybe. But I also think that maybe there's some Dante Moore deficits there or that's
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why I said college. My point being if I'm a defensive
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coordinator I'm looking to stop.
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And that's fair. There's just a lot of questions is I think what it comes down to.
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Yeah. No. And that's why we have a lot of discussions. Fantasy Pros. All right, let's get to some value guys before we do quick shout out again. Trade Analyzer is available for you. Go to fantasybros.com myplaybook go check it out today and if you go to fantasybros.com dynasty26 you can start a three day free trial of our premium tools and use the Trade Analyzer for all the trades you're going to make in Dynasty. And who are you kidding? You know you're going to make a ton of them. So use the tools right now and take advantage of this offer. Fantasypros.com dynasty26 and remember, go to fantasyprose.com myplaybook or just download the app and sync your leagues for free to use the tools of Fantasy Pros. So Value picks. We're talking about guys with talent, guys with upside. Fitzy, there's a guy that I like that DBRO likes and you're a mark to talk about today. Cole Payton, certainly the rushing upside is there. I think he throws a pretty good ball. He's left handed. So things are a little bit different kind of visually sometimes on those guys. An imperfect prospect, but one that's very toolsy. And I remember there was a very toolsy prospect coming out of college a couple years ago that people had a lot of questions about Josh Allen. Well, he's really tools and he's really fast. And my whole thing with Josh Allen evaluation is like he can do things that you can't teach. If he's willing to put the work in and fix some of the things that are deficits, he'll be a great quarterback. I'm not saying Cole Payton is going to be a great quarterback, but I'm certainly intrigued by the tools enough that I'm curious. Especially in dynasty, in a year where quarterback is a little bit lighter. I'm taking some shots on Cole Payton.
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Yes. And Josh Allen also came from the Great Plains. So we've got, we've got that in common here with Cole Payton. Yeah. 6 foot 3 3, 232 pounds with a big arm and some serious running ability. Cole Payton was a one year college starter at North Dakota State going against lesser competition. So he is the ultimate developmental prospect. Goes to a team at the Eagles that doesn't have an immediate need at quarterback. But at the same time I do feel there some of the things they've done in the offseason, it just seems like they're saying like, okay, kind of looking at their watches like it's time. Jalen Hurts turn it back on. So yeah, Cole, Cole Payton has a cannon and he ran a 4, 5, 6. And it's going to take patience with him. But he does have an NFL, NFL caliber toolkit without question.
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And look, I think he's in a spot there with the Eagles too, where okay, Jalen Hurts struggles somehow this year. A lot of people gotten real negative on him last season. It's going to be turnover, probably A.J. brown's going to go. So I'm not saying that Jalen Hurts might not be the quarterback in two years there. He might want out, they might want to move on. Like it's just very possible that we could see that things just kind of fall apart in Philadelphia. It wouldn't be the first time. So I mean you have the success and then you have the aftermath. A lot of times we see teams just kind of, you know, the disenfranchisement with the franchise quarterback. It happens. Just see Kyler Murray see a lot of now they haven't had the kind of success obviously that hurts. That hurts. Won super bowl, but we've seen it all the time. It happens like just things just sometimes go south between coach, quarterback or quarterback and organization sometimes. Or even fan base and quarterback sometimes too. Fan base in Philly is very demanding. You want to talk about Drew Aller, which another guy that coming into last season a lot of people were talking about as potentially a first round pick. Season did not go well for him. But why should there still be some hope for him?
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Jake, I need to pause though because like I'm going to keep it to one sense because I feel my blood pressure and just like I want like Jalen Hurts not being an Eagle and whatever blank years people want to throw out. Not for you. Like the Eagles. The Eagles are too smart to let that happen. You don't take a Super Bowl MVP quarterback. He threw 25 touchdowns and barely got intercepted with A.J. brown, Devonte Smith missing games half that. Like they're just in and out, in and out, in and out. Like, this is not a Jalen Hurts problem. Jalen Hurts is the quarterback for the Eagles, period. He's not even turning 28 until later this year. Everybody needs to shut the bleep up when it comes to this because Eagles, please. As. As a form going to Jake. No.
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You and I know this.
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But they can. But the Eagles themselves are too smart for this. Jalen Hurts is a franchise qb. You do not move on from a franchise QB just because your fans are little blanks. Let me move on to the next one. As I told you.
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Oh. You should never ever choose violence against Eagles fans.
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I'm welcome.
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This is going to set a record of YouTube comments and I'm here for it.
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I'm nothing.
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Everybody goes. Go to YouTube. I want you to drop down there with all your Delco accents and I want you to tell everybody how much you can't stand Jake Seeley from the Athletic. All right. And go get me a hoagie and a Coke from Wawa and then we'll go here.
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I'll bring it more. As somebody that has always hated the
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Eagles, he's still going.
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Please. No. As somebody who's always hated the Eagles my entire life, please be stupid enough to let Jalen Hurts go now. There you go. No, please. Like, I don't want to see you
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are, Jake, you are correct. And deep down, the Eagles fan base knows you're also right. But it doesn't matter. So anyway, you know and I know it doesn't matter.
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I'm also trying to.
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If the Giants win that division this year. Right. And the Eagles don't. I am telling, like, if just some random stuff happened like that, I am telling you, there will be blood. Okay? You could have Daniel Day Lewis come out of retirement. All right? It's going to be a whole thing.
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Is he really retired?
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No, I think he just did a movie with his son who was directing. So he came out.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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And he went back to retirement.
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All right, well, anyway, I'm just trying.
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The Eagles fans, by the way, please don't throw full bottles of beer at me.
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I also love Eagles fans. Just.
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I'm just trying to delay because I don't want to talk about this player again because now I feel like I'm going to be attached to him for the rest of my life just because this class is so.
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We're just trying to say what ifs. I know. This is our marvel what if segment of quarterbacks, and he is. Well, you know what?
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That's a good way to put it. Because, like, if you just took the tools and didn't look at the actual performance with the tools, you'd be like, drew Aller, yeah, give me that quarterback. Because he has all the tools. He has everything you want. Like, check, mark, check mark, check mark, check mark, check. And then you're saying the way that he plays the game. No, that's a big negative. Because here's the thing, though, like, and Fitz knows this, and Fitz talked about when we did the show a while back, he's like, you know, I just watched too much Aller, and I know he's not good, but, like, you randomly flip on the wrong part of the game, but in a good way, where all of a sudden you get that one driver, maybe even not even a full drive, just like this little brief series. Like, you're like, oh, my God, this quarterback is pretty damn good. The problem is you also flip on that same game and you're like, oh, my God, this is one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. Like, he doesn't know how to play quarterback, but in a potential situation where he could be the answer next year, who needs this sit where he has the opportunity in front of him, which is not a big threat threat to hold him off in a position where hopefully he learns which is a lot to put on his shoulders. But those shoulders in that makeup are something I want in an NFL quarterback. And you put that all together and get his brain working like an NFL quarterback's brain should work, then you have something here. That's the shot that I'm taking. Would I take Aller even in a second round of the Super Flex? Probably not. But if I'm just taking a flyer to throw on my bench and like, oh my God, look, all of a sudden I have a top 15 quarterback because somebody fixed his brain. Again, a lot to ask, but he, that's the one part he's lacking. It's everything else he has. All right.
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Because I don't want to be the homer and taking an ordained player and also because he runs slow. So like that's the, like he's going
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to be run too fast from the five to the goal line, my friends. That's all you got to know.
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C
It's interesting you say that because I think that's the upside here. We're hoping that Raritan to speak on him real quickly. Is that in fantasy we're hoping for like good old rich Richard, Richard Rogers days, like six, 700 yards and eight touchdowns. Like, like cool. Okay, cool. Fantasy wise, you're back.
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Real cool. That's very cool at tight end. Just want to point that out.
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So that's what I'm saying. But like that's kind of why I'm bringing up Oscar Delp. And the one thing that he has that Raritan doesn't is one of the metrics. I don't get too heavily into metrics when it comes to rookies because I think some of those can be kind of noise. But one that has been pretty dang predictable for us in fantasy for tight ends has been speed score. And it's actually been very telling of their production whether year two or three. But at some point they hit and he had a speed score of 114.3. 118 is the median off in the middle, kind of like average. So he's pretty well above it. As somebody that I thought was kind of like Raritan is like, I just hope that your Ben Watson, a Dawson Knox, I just hope that you're out there getting 6, 700 yards and 8, 9, 10 touchdowns. You're the touchdown maker. You're the red zone option.
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By the way, Jake, do you know how many tight ends last year had 800 yards and more than five touchdowns?
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C
Well, I said 608.
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Yeah, 608.
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608 touchdowns is what my point was.
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All right, so how many tight ends had eight touchdowns and 600 plus yards receiving?
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7 as he counts.
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It looks like nine.
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So I thought it would be. So that's what. And. But that's what I'm looking. Yeah, I'm looking for that kind of player. And that's what I think Delp can be for this.
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Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Eight touchdowns and 600 yards. No, I'm sorry. One, two, two, two, two.
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C
What's 600 or 606?
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Trey McBride had 12, 11 touchdowns.
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So it's too much of the Beetle
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had six, 28 and seven touchdowns. And I see Brock Bowers also had 680 and seven touchdowns. So three. Pardon me. So three guys did that.
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Three level five, six, seven, eight. Okay if I drop it down to six. So there you go. Anyway, point being fringe tight end one is all I'm asking. Like, I don't know why we're getting so hung up on what the exact numbers are going to be.
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I just, I just thought it was interesting when you dropped that whole thing before, we were like, oh, it's 608. Because I think people go, well, because
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Jake Ferguson just did that. And that was my idea in my head. He legit hit the number on the nose of 608 and he was tight end 12. Like that's where my mind went is that I'm just hoping for a Jake Ferguson from Raritan or Oscar Delp. And that's the projection. They were talking about Flyers and on the Saints. Hell, Joanne Johnson wasn't far from that in the opposite direction to ask your question. He was kind of like more yards than touchdowns by a decent margin. But just to be that kind of answer on this offense, which I now think would shift more to that for the Saints than the Juwan Johnson, like, I honestly think Joanne Johnson with those two wide receivers is kind of dead at end the point.
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Yeah. All right, Fitzy, give me a tight end you think is kind of a lottery ticket guy. Who do you have?
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B
See, I didn't want to go with Raritan. I wasn't sure who was going to settle in. We were supposed to go outside the top three here. And I wasn't sure who was going to settle in at three between Max, Claire, Raritan and Delp. And besides Notre Dame tight ends, I mean, when's the last time one really worked out after Mark Bavaro? It's like Tyler Eifert was like top half of the first round, wasn't he? And Michael Mayer and who. Who were some of the other.
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Oh, Michael Mayer I remember very well.
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B
Yeah, Kyle Rudolph is good.
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Kyle Rudolph and Cole Comet were good for a couple years.
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B
That's true. But I'm my guy.
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Rudolph definitely has some good years.
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B
He did. And. And I still stand by the opinion that Cole Comet is pretty good. Might have a good season once he moves on from up from under Cole Commetz and Mitchell Evans too.
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C
That's. Yeah. By the way, the. Which I want Fitz, I'm surprised didn't appreciate the Richard Rogers call out. Being a Green Bay fan, It was actually 508. It wasn't even 608 that year.
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All right, so I'm, I sort of like Justin Jolie. I'm intrigued by Justin Jolie. The Broncos picked him in the fifth round. He's a converted wide receiver, 6 3, 241 pounds. Same size as Kenyon Siddique, by the way. Not much of a blocker. Jolie didn't do much in the way of testing during the pre draft process. Didn't run the 40. So safe to assume he cannot match Sadiq's 4.39 speed. But I do think the speed is pretty good. Like he's sort of a classic move tight end. And Jolie has been fairly productive in college. He averaged almost 50 catches a season over his final three years in college. It's the landing spot that's interesting. Like we are always trying to figure out who's going to be the Joker in Sean Payton's offenses because the Joker's in his offenses, this special role he carves out and it's multi positional. Like sometimes it's a running back, sometimes it's a tight end. But these guys, the guys who have been the jokers in the Sean Payton offense, Alvin Camara, Reggie Bush, Jimmy Graham, they have produced some big seasons for us. A lot of people thought Evan Ingram might be that guy for the Broncos last year. I think even when they signed him he posted like a joker from Batman meme in on his social media accounts after he signed. But anger didn't really on us, Pat. Yeah, exactly. Engram didn't do much. Maybe Jolie could be Peyton's Joker at some point. Maybe.
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Well, that would be nice. We'd all like to be Sean Payton's Joker at some point. I think we can enjoy that. And some good stuff here from the boys as always. Remember, there's a three part series here of this podcast so you can check out the running back version and the wide receiver version right here in the channel. Go back and listen to those. If you didn't catch those, those are great shows too. About the same length of time too. So if you're walking the dog or you're out there, you know, on the treadmill or whatever you're doing, or just a nice little leisurely walk. Go outside, touch grass a little bit, let the sun hit you. It's good for you. Make sure you listen to all the podcasts here and don't forget about our Dynasty podcast as well over on our YouTube channel and also our new channel Tailgate NFL. And while you're at it. Don't forget about the tools. Remember, don't be a tool. Use the tools that we have for you at Fantasy Pros Go right now. And of course go to fantasypros.com simulator where you can use our Dynasty Draft Simulator to prepare for all of your rookie drafts. Now that you have all this knowledge, you can put it to the test. And our MVP and Hall of Fame subscribers, you can even test out the trade scenarios by mocking with your actual traded draft picks. And now is the time to get the three day free trial of those premium tools right now over@FantasyPros.com Dynasty 26. So go use that. It's a little free promo offer. Great time to take advantage of that. And I know you're going to fall in love with the tools and use them for all of your leagues. Guys. It was great to hang out with you these these days here and do all these shows together. Great conversations. Eagles fans, please be gentle with Jake Seeley, okay? Just, he's a gentle soul. I, I'm just telling you he is. That'll do it for us. But the story of the game goes on for Jake and Pat. I'm Joey P. We will see you next time. Kids. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best
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