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11 Fantasy Football BUSTS To Avoid | Overvalued Players & Early-Round Draft Landmines (Ep. 2035)
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Tara Roberts
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Big Time Bogman
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Seth Wilcock
All right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros fantasy football podcast. Vibes remain high across the industry as NFL OTAs continue, player takes are being formed and the unofficial start of summer has come and gone. However, we are contractably obligated today to rain on some parades as we break down the 11 most overvalued players in our early rankings. I'm your host, Seth Wilcock. Potentially making my final appearance on the program as a single man and just about 10 days from now getting married. So excited for that. And back with me is quite the cast of characters, including a man who is married only to the game. Yes, he's my co host over the betting pros college football show. You can also find him here on the main fantasy pros NFL, the Dynasty, and our brand new tailgate channel. He's got big time bogman Bogs. Great to be back. Kicking it with you today. How's it going, man?
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Big Time Bogman
It's great. I'm glad to have the Sunday crew here. Getting over a little bit of a cold, so if my voice sounds weird, I apologize for that. But got enough luster to be back. I missed a couple days last week, but we're all good. So trying to enjoy the summer. Hopefully gonna get out and see this new Star wars movie soon too, so. But excited to talk about some reaches, some Jack Reachers here.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. And based on critics reviews box, I think you can maybe miss the Mandalorian. Grogu has not got the best ratings from critics. Fans like it, but I don't care.
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Big Time Bogman
I'm a Star wars fan.
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Seth Wilcock
I'm gonna go see it.
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Big Time Bogman
So I already. I had to cancel my ticket this weekend because I was sick and hacking up my guts. So. But yeah, no spoilers. I want to see it.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay. Yeah, I gave the Mandalorian a run. I don't think I ever made it through season three. So may I have to pick it back up? Yeah, it did. It felt a little bit similar to the last seasons. But also back with us mixing it up is a woman who might not be as chipper as Boggs and I today because her Green Bay packers started running him back, allegedly spending time behind bars earlier this week. She's been absolutely crushing it, covering everything from NFL to hoops to PGA right here at at fancy pros and betting pro. She's Tara Roberts. Tara, sorry to hear about the Josh Jacobs news, but I appreciate you being here with us today nonetheless, my friend.
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Tara Roberts
Yeah, I wish it just affected my fandom. It's affecting a Dynasty team too. I already got a Marshawn Lloyd trade offer like oh great.
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Seth Wilcock
Move them up the rankings. That's what we're hearing right now. A lot of news still coming out though, potentially maybe some charges being dropped, maybe not any formal charges. We'll kind of see how that shakes out. Not really going to break that down from a Fancy perspective yet yet until we get a little bit more information. But as noted on today's program, we're giving you the bear case for the 11 biggest early busts including the Premium Fades mid round traps and our early QB and Titan landmines. And of course, before we jump in, shout out to everyone who's making time for us during this busy summertime stretch. Please do us a quick favor and give this video a thumbs up if you enjoy this type of content. Also, don't forget to subscribe right here to The Fans Pros YouTube channel and the audio feedback. And also a quick reminder that this show is powered by our expert consensus rankings that can be found@fancypros.com rankings Tara has her rankings up and updated as well as Bogman and myself and as well as Pat Erickson, dbro, Joey P. Everyone here at Fantasy Pros and across the industry putting those in updating them regularly. So check them out. FancyProse.com rankings and folks, let's go ahead and start with our Premium Fades. These are running backs and wide receivers within our top 36 overall that we're fading at current costs and bogs. And let's start with you as you're out on one of my favorite targets at the wide receiver position early in drafts.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, it's Malik Neighbors and it's not, I'm not completely out. I just do think he's a reach right now. We had, you know, obviously had the ACL tear during the season, the follow up surgery. That's what has me concerned about him. I mean a wide receiver one coming off surgery and we're hoping is back by camp or week one. You know that's kind of the window of when he's going to be back. I have no doubt the Malik Neighbors is going to be great. I still have him as a wide receiver one. Right. But I think today if we're drafting without knowing really anything about this second follow up surgery, which at first they were like, you know, this is pretty routine. This happened sometime. And then every Internet doctor was like, yeah, that's not true at all. Scar tissue cleanup is not something that we're used to going back and doing. If it was, you would hear every player that tears her ACL doing it. So we have a little coach speak, we have a little doctor speak. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I expect Malik Neighbors to be back early in the season, week one or week two, somewhere around that range. But any tiny setback now he's starting on the PUP and you're going to miss a big chunk of the season with him. So I expect him to be fine. But if we're talking about drafting today and having him as your wide receiver one, it just makes me a little queasy. So for that reason, I'm probably not going to be taking Malik Neighbors just until we get a little more official word on how the health of the knee is.
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Seth Wilcock
I completely understand the rationale there. Of course. This is our Sunday night recap crew and another member of that is Dr. Deepak Chona who continually tells us to usually fade those receivers coming off an ACL tear in their first season back. So I completely understand that. But at the same time, there's so much intrigue here for me for neighbors. A guy who had 170 targets as a rookie, a guy who goes over 1200 yards and are you playing with his best quarterback ever in his career?
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Big Time Bogman
We'll talk more about no other targets.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, and that's like the thing like you have guys like Isaiah likely here are going to take a little bit of targets 3. Theo Johnson going to be in the mix. Boggs, I know you're. You're in on the kid from Notre Dame a little bit more than I am. Of course.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah. But he's not a PPR guy. He's a downfield guy, you know, and
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Seth Wilcock
kind of similar with Darius Slayton too. Right. So.
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Big Time Bogman
Yep. And Mooney and Calvin Austin has never been a high reception guy. So who's number two? I think, I think it's likely. But all this adds up to Neighbors having a big year. The knee is just scaring me. Can't do it.
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Seth Wilcock
Absolutely. And I can understand that. Wide receiver 9. Currently ECR 20 overall at that price tag. I'm still in. I'm willing to take the gamble for the bull case that maybe comes through Tara, in or out here at wide receiver 9 ECR 20 overall late in the second round.
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Tara Roberts
I'm slightly out. I'm on the fence. I agree with all of those arguments for sure because it's, it's a weird situation where we know that neighbors is going to be the dominating factor. I do love Darnell Moody and I'm maybe excited to see him maybe get a chance to fulfill that role left behind by Wanda Robinson. But I mean, honestly, the injury here is one of the reasons why I have a guy like CD Lam ranked higher but have a lot of concerns about him. But there's so many question marks around a lot of the guys going behind him. So then Malik is one of those guys. So it's very weird situation in terms of our high end wide receivers.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, yeah, I have him, I have neighbors, Rasheed Rice, A.J. brown, all kind of in the same group as what is happening with these dudes.
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Seth Wilcock
Looking forward to seeing if he can get back from that injury, but at the current price tag, it certainly is a pick that can maybe make your season or potentially tank it. So I understand Boggs wanting to avoid that. Tara, let's stay at the wide receiver position with your first fade of the evening.
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Tara Roberts
Yeah, I mentioned him. It's my guy, CD Lamb. Unfortunately he's got like a default. I ranked fairly high on him, but it's, it's a weird default ranking because he is one of the few guys after our first, you know, four, we feel super positive, we feel good. There's no issues there, you know, aside from a couple off the field issues. But we should be fine theoretically with the puka. But all of the guys that are falling behind CD Lamb are dealing with a lot of quarterback issues, a lot of injury issues like Justin Jefferson, quarterback issue, Drake London, quarterback issue, Malik Neighbors, injury issue. It's just kind of a weird situation. Right? So CD Lamb is getting that default ranking, but I'm not gonna lie, I'm very concerned that we might get a repeat of last season, which was a weird season because I do want to defend him a little bit because the target share looks like it decreased. The target share decreased for sure. But his overall targets was still very fine and deserving of a high end wide receiver. He played a couple of games where he was below 10% of snaps and then below 50% of snaps and 2. So when you shake it all out, There were really 11 full games that he played. He had 108 targets. That's an average of nearly 10 targets per game. He's getting targets. He's just not being very productive with them when you're playing alongside a guy like George Pickens. If George Pickens was out of the picture, I'd feel very comfortable where we had Ceedee Lamb ranked before. But I'm concerned when we look back on last year, the man didn't have a single top 10 performance in half PPR season. He had a massive drop in touchdowns. And we can say that maybe there's a scenario where George Pickens, who was playing on a contract year, thought he was going to get a big deal. Now he's having to play on the franchise tag again. Maybe he'll be a little disgruntled, maybe he'll get an injury, ankle injury that maybe he pulls out a little bit longer. Maybe there's some lackadaisical play there that we often see from him. But even then. So with his presence being on there, even at like a half capacity there, we're still looking at a situation where the best case scenario for CD Lamb is probably around wide receiver 8 to 10 and that's or 8 to 12, really, and that's cool. But we're drafting him over that and that's kind of the best case scenario unless we were to have a major injury for George Pickens. So again, I'm not terrified of Lamb because the targets are going to be there, but it's the level of productivity that caps him from being able to achieve that top five upside down. And the only reason right now he's getting that default ranking is, you know, hopefully we figure out exactly who was starting for quarterback for half of these wide receivers on other teams and then we can be good to go and push them up over a guy like cdlam.
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Seth Wilcock
Well, and this is also a Cowboys team that their defense has improved mightily over the offseason as well. So maybe there is less passing to go around. They just gave Javonte Williams a new deal as well, so they're wanting to not have to chuck it as much, not have to rely on Dak Prescott's arm. I I think you're right, Tara. Like best case scenario here is like you get like a Terry McLaren Brandon Iuk type of holdout from GP and then it is CE lam back to the moon. But Boggs, currently I have lamb 8 overall in in my rankings. That's kind of right in line with consensus here. That's also 8 overall wide receiver 5. He's kind of in the same tier for me as ARSB Justin Jefferson who do you prefer between ARSB Justin Jefferson and Lamb?
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Big Time Bogman
I got Sun God. I'm on Saint Brown at number one here. He's just the most consistent. I think he's been wide receiver three, three years in a row. Right. So, like, he's just. The floor is insanely high for Monroe St. Brown. So I have Lamb exactly where you guys mentioned. Eight overall, fifth wide receiver. But I agree with Tara. It is a little bit of a default ranking. Right. Because the guys behind him, it's like, Justin Jefferson, what's the quarterback situation? Same with London. Nico's been injured. Pickens. I mean, if there's anyone that knows that Pickens is going to be lazy, it's you and me, Seth. So, you know, it's definitely going to happen. And then after that, it's Olave's concussions, neighbor's knee, Rasheed Rice is off the field. A.J. brown's getting traded to where? Right. I do think that Tara is correct in the fact that, hey, we're ranking CD Lamb here kind of by default because everybody else has major questions behind him. But it's. It's also just the nature of the beast. That's. That's where he is. I'm probably not going to move him. I still think he has upside. I think it will come with touchdowns. I just don't know if the touchdowns are coming or not. I think they will. I think he's still a really good wide receiver. And that's a Texas guy giving an Oklahoma guy a compliment and a cowboy. But it's. It's not with enthusiasm. It's as a baseline.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, and I think that's like, if you're on the clock at 7, 8 overall and you take CD Lamb, it's not a pick that you're going to like, jump out of your seat for. But yeah, we're still doing it. So Tara, though, warning us, hey, maybe he is potential bus. And Boggs, I want to stay with you here because you have a running back up next. That kind of the new hotness on the street. It's not a rookie, but it's someone who switches teams here. And the excitement has casually built back up over the off season.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, apologize for people who have heard me say this about Ken Walker already. And I sound like the biggest Ken Walker hater on all these podcasts. I've done a bunch of bus podcasts with Dynast and now here. But yeah, man, like, Ken Walker, in terms of skill, is 100% one of the best running backs in the league. I have no doubt about that. And I think people see that, they see the performance in the super bowl and they go, well now you're going to a Kansas City team that's been needing this running back for a long time. Patrick Mahomes is coming off an injury here. Regardless of when he plays, he's coming off a major entry. So, so let's give the ball to Kenny Walker a lot and watch him go. But 26 in touches last year, 48th in carries inside the five, right? That's behind Travion Henderson, Kenneth Gainwell. Woody Marks had a higher percentage of team carries inside the five. Zero games with more than 20 touches. He had two with 20 during the regular season. Nine games with under 15, right. And this is a guy that has proven to us he cannot be a three down back, carry a full workhorse load and stay healthy. He has not stayed healthy. He started his career with a hamstring injury in camp. He missed the opener after hernia surgery plus one of the game with an ankle issues. Rookie year missed a couple weeks in 2023 to an AB issue in 2024. He missed two weeks with an oblique early and then didn't play after week 12. And last year was the first year he stayed healthy because they limited his touches on a daily basis. On a weekly basis. So I just don't trust this guy to stay on the field. If you're going to overload him with carries and they might do that if Mahomes starts the first month on the pup, they might overload him with carries to start and then you're going to get a very limited amount of touches on the back end. So I just think that he's too expensive for where I want to buy him. Currently he's his ECR I believe is running back 11 and I have him at 16.
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Seth Wilcock
Okay, 26 overall currently for KW3. And obviously if you are fading him it's like one of two scenarios I see bogs like either a, you do still draft them hesitantly at that cost and then you just ship him quickly after you know he's going to be in prime time early in the season. You try to move him right off of one of those games. Or are you investing Emmett Johnson then? It sounds like you might be going that way. Boggs, obviously he's a talented runner coming out of Nebraska. So would that be your play? Would you rather just if you don't end up with Kenneth Walker in your drafts, would you still draft Emmett Johnson as a late, late round dart throw?
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Big Time Bogman
Late round dart throw is a nice way to put him, but I think he is more valuable to whoever's rostering Walker. Right. Okay. He's a handcuff. I feel like for most scenarios and, you know, the more shallow your bench, the less likely I am to take him at Johnson. But deep bench, throw a dart. Why not?
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, this is the Chiefs team too. Like they were just signing every UDFA running back there was, man. Like it was Terry and Stewart, Jay N. Like, like they were just loading
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Big Time Bogman
up on all my Hunt is still
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Seth Wilcock
out there and Kareem is still out there too. So yeah, it could get uglier faster. But as it stands right now, it's EMT Johnson, it is Brashard Smith in that backfield, Amari D. Mercado coming over from Arizona as well. And Tara. That's right where I want to go with this next player that you're spotlighting here. Someone out in that Arizona backfield.
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Tara Roberts
Yeah, Jeremiah Love. It's just an issue of. I think the ADP is appropriate in theory, but there's a lot of associated risk of where you're drafting him because it's literally. It makes sense because it's literally right on par with where Ashton Genty finished last year in his situation is very similar to what Jeremiah Love is going to be walking into. Bad team, shaky quarterback situation. I love Jacoby Brissette, so no offense, I'll talk about that in a second. But shaky quarterback situation in terms of if they switch to a rookie or not. Offensive line questionable. Right. Although I don't think it is as bad or as destitute as the Raiders was for sure. But in theory, I think it's a very appropriate realistic finish for him. But the problem is is that if it's much like Ashton Genti, there's going to be highs and lows. Right. So we're drafting him and the overall results are going to be like, okay, it works for where we paid off, but the experience was not exactly what we would have liked. In product. From a fantasy perspective, you get super high ceilings where he catches eight or eight passes and gets a good chunk yardage and maybe gets a touchdown. Right? And then you've got a game where the checkdowns aren't there and he gets 20 yards on the ground because the line is terrible. It's also an awful schedule. And that's kind of the second issue there is because there's good and bad, the schedule is disturbing. Disturbingly bad, I guess is the best way to put it when you look at it and you think, okay, well, okay, good. Good news would be all right, there's going to be Jacoby Brissette playing from behind. God love him and his garbage time. 40 plus attempts, loves to check down, works out perfectly. We should get excellent fantasy production from Jeremiah Love. But that also becomes the issue of when we're looking at that they're going to get stomped every single game. Realistically when you're looking at and they've got a week 14 by I think when you're looking at it realistically, there's like one team in there that they could be theoretically the Giants and even then. So with the changes that they have made, that's asking a lot. So this is a team that could go old for. For a very long time. And at what point are they saying we know they want to tank, but at what point do they say okay, let's go out there and give Carson Beck a try. And when you throw in the rookies that's where things go awry. Because I trust this system to work for the purpose that we need from a fantasy perspective, which I'll be reset. I don't trust that system with Carson Beck because one, it'll either be a complete disaster and at that point we already know Jacoby Brissette is a disgruntled player because of his contract situation. So it can easily turn into one of those situations where you can't go back to your veteran who was more stable because refuses and maybe has an injury or something like that because he was a little frustrated. Or maybe Carson Beck is good and by good he wants to throw to all of his big receivers and pass catchers downfield and we don't get the checkdowns that we were looking for with Jacoby Brissette. So there's a lot of variables in here that are happening and I think I might just want to sit this one out and not have to deal with it and go with more stable options that are being drafted after him.
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Seth Wilcock
It's totally understandable, Tara, specifically because I mean we do have Tyler Alier in this backfield folks. And like this is a guy.
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Big Time Bogman
And James Connor. Yeah.
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Seth Wilcock
And like Algeria specifically to 150 plus attempts on average over the past three seasons with sharing the backfield with B. John Robinson, one of the best running backs in the NFL. Plus then you also have a guy who's known to vulture. Right. Eight touchdowns last year. He was a guy. If you're betting anytime touchdowns, you were pretty happy last year with him. And like I like Mike LaFleur as a play Caller. But Nathaniel Hackett's also going to be in that mix that kind of, you know.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, yeah. As.
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Seth Wilcock
As, you know, as a Packers fan. Tara. Right. Not the most friendly offensive coordinator, sometimes two skill positions. So there is a lot going, you know, wrong potentially for Jeremiah Love as a rookie. But the price tag is reasonable. Bogs at least RB13, 29 overall. I mean, last year I was taking Genti as like middle of the first round. I was all in. I was kind of the, you know, part of the problem. Pushing up his ecr, pushing up his ADP a lot. I'm okay.
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Big Time Bogman
We didn't know the whole O line was going to fall apart. Right.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, that. That didn't help. And Geno Smith, you know, thought he could just fit into every single window. There are concerns for Jeremiah Love. Where do you land, Boggs? Because I think I'm still in at the price tag, but I don't think that price tag is going to be there very long. Specifically. Specifically once we get, you know, closer to Labor Day and redrafts are firing up, seeing the shiny new rookie. Yeah. And then we have preseason games go off too. Yeah.
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Big Time Bogman
And get some highlights from camp of Jeremiah Love making people look like. Like fools. Yeah. The price is going to go up for sure. I haven't met 15. I do think it's a different scenario from Genty last year. Like it was a perfect storm for Genty last year. And they work in different ways. Right. Like, Genty is a volume guy. You want him to have crazy volume because his superpower is stamina in the fourth quarter. He's still running you over when you are sucking wind. That's how he wins. Jeremiah Love wins more with finesse. So I think he's going to catch more passes. Right. I think his floor on a week to week basis is higher than Genti's last year. So I do hold out more hope for Love this year. But we can take the lesson that we were learned last year from Genti and say, hey, a rookie running back on a team specifically with good depth at running back is probably going to. Specifically on the back end start to see less usage. And if the parachutes don't go off, what is the point of making everything else work like they said in Apollo 13. Right. So I'm probably going to be out on current costs. That's why I'm a little bit below ECR right now. And I'll draft Jeremiah Love, but I'll draft Jeremiah Love if he falls. Not at his current cost.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. And he's probably not going to fall in a ton of leagues. So you're gonna have to be on one side of the fence or the or the other. The last thing I'll note too is like Genti did have I think the worst finish for running back drafted inside the top 10 in the last decade. I think Leonard Fournette was the next to last. So you know there's a draft those
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Big Time Bogman
guys too by the way.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, yeah, maybe the ceiling just isn't there. Tara's kind of telling us here in year number one. And guys, speaking of young youthful assets here in Fantasy, when you're on the clock for your Dynasty startup rookie draft or even redraft, you don't have time to think. So you're going to need some answers on the fly. That's why you should sync your leagues with our Draft Assistant and get real time pick advice based on your settings, expert rankings and more. Win your draft with draft assistant@fancyprose.com assistant or on the Fancy Pros app. If you have a draft coming up, you can grab a three day free trial of a premium subscription right now at fancy free pros.com dynasty26 Again, that's a three day free trial right now of a premium sub@fantasypros.com Dynasty26 I know we already have some of these competitive leagues firing up. I know we already have Scott Fishbowl I think under under a month away before those drafts get going as well. So make sure you're getting invested with that three day free trial premium subscription right here. Fantasypros.com dynasty26 Next up is the mid round traps where we're focusing again on running backs and wide receivers. This time though outside the top 36 overall but within the top 75 overall that you can miss us on at current costs. Terra going to throw it over to you. Who are you fading at this current cost?
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Big Time Bogman
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Tara Roberts
the record show this was a choice made before Todd Bowles came out talking about a return for Bucky Irving in the it was. I saw timeline the summer fall. I've got video evidence. Oh gosh. But yeah, no, I was. I was prepared for a full fade. I feel I felt pretty good about this one. This one like where you were talking about what was it Kenneth Walker having to say being out on him multiple times and fading him. This is. This is my version of that. I've talked a lot about being out on Bucky a lot, unfortunately. Because while I do think that he is going to be the lead back health pending the lead back of that team, the problem is is that I know that it feels like an overreaction when you say oh well, they added Kenneth Gainwell, they've got Sean Tucker. But it's not that they're taking over the jobs. It's the combination of little chipping away by multiple running backs. I'm not expecting the same egregious level of checkdowns that we got for Kenneth Gainwell in Pittsburgh from Aaron Rodgers. That was an outlier. Right? But all things equal him being added into this offense. He is a clear upgraded version of on Rashad White in terms of all of his abilities all around. Right. And preferably we would want to see him in that pass catching role. Right. And arguably, you know, obviously Bucky is great with that. But I would say that Kenneth Gainwell does have the edge on Bucky over that. So taking away a little bit of that does make sense. We've already had Zach Robinson, the offensive coordinator coming out. They've got Very same. They've got very similar skill sets and whatnot and can play very well off of each other. Then we also have the known of when Bucky Irving did come back from that injury. You know, we had multiple backs in terms of Shawn Tucker and Rashad White contributing last year while he was out. But when he returned, that didn't go away. We had multiple usage and the real key there, that was a major issue, wasn't just the receiving work of Rashad White. It was Sean Tucker sniping at the goal line. And we might say, hey, it's like that was random. That's not going to happen. Bucky is going to continue to get those goal line looks. But there's one little problem in that problem is Zach Robinson. We just talked about Tyler Algier. Zach Robinson is the same man that was doing that. If he was giving Tyler Algier umpteenth touchdowns at the goal line, sniping Bijan Robinson of all people. I don't know if the argument for that Bucky is impervious to that and it's not going to happen. Really works here. If he operated that way before, there's no reason that he won't operate that way again with a running back. Has proven to be very effective in that one aspect of human short yardage, carries. Right. And converting. So that's, that's my major concern here. And then now we throw on top of all of that the issue of this news that yeah, he's still dealing with some injury issues, recovering. We don't have an exact timeline. Summer is about here. We hear the words fall in the recovery timeline and that's football season. So considering how we got duped on the injury timeline last year in terms of it just carrying out, I've got a lot of concerns now. They're just piling up and piling up and piling up. Realistically, are we going to be getting RB1 upside out of him? No, I think we need to look at him more as somebody who is probably going to offer us low end RB2 upside and draft him appropriately and maybe be a little bit more wary now that we know that there's still an injury issue in the mix.
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Seth Wilcock
I'm completely with you, science. He'll deliver this for me because like, I just think Bucky Irving, he was so incredibly inefficient down the stretch last season, averaged 0.67 fantasy points per opportunity. That's the 62nd best at the position, 3.4 yards per carry. And like this was while facing a stacked front, only 3.5% of carries. That's the 48th highest among running backs. I don't think the opposing defenses will really have to respect the Tampa Bay passing game as much as they did when they had Mike Evans, who they were worried about maybe going over the top on them. So I'm completely there with you. You factor in Kenneth Gainwell, who definitely I. I think to your mention, like, probably an outlier season, but still fifth among running backs and targets fourth in receptions and fifth in receiving yards. So I think he could become Baker Mayfield's best friend. And like Sean Tucker, too. Man, this guy has a nose for the end zone, whether it's here in the NFL, whether it's time. Syracuse would not have fallen out of the NFL draft a couple years ago and gone undrafted if it wasn't for some medical red flags. So I'm 100 with you. Here I am fading Bucky Irving, he right now, RB19 in ECR50 overall. This has started to creep down already, Tara, because I think people like you myself, I know Boggs is out on him. I think Andrew Erickson is already out on him. So, like, it's starting to creep down, but it's still not at a price where, like, give me cams Gataboo, who's gonna get more of the lion's share work. Give me someone like Javante Williams in that same tier. So 100 there with you.
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Big Time Bogman
I still have Bucky, like, ahead of Scatterbill. Really I do. But, like, give me positive reports about Scatter Boo off this injury. He can easily move ahead. Same thing with Judge. I was just about to say down there, too. No, I have him above Judkins. Really?
- [29:42]
Seth Wilcock
Pause. But I'm willing out of Cleveland on Judkins this week.
- [29:45]
Big Time Bogman
Great. Great. I mean, so let me. Let me see some positivity from these guys. And I saw Jadarian Price blow him.
- [29:53]
Seth Wilcock
Who.
- [29:53]
Big Time Bogman
I think I'm going to move up. I'm just. I'm. I'm going to be a Jadarian Price stand for sure. So, yeah, I think that the. Really, the. Bucky's not coming back till the blood moon of the fall or whatever we just said. Just ridiculous. Like, I don't know, man. Yeah, it's. With positive reports from these guys coming off big injuries or having different roles or whatever it is, plus negative reports about Bucky, that's just going to be a moving line the whole offseason until Bucky comes back and shows us something. Now, I will say this. It was super annoying because the way they made it sound like when Bucky was coming back last year it was going to be a three headed monster. That was gross. And they just went back.
- [30:37]
Seth Wilcock
Right.
- [30:38]
Big Time Bogman
Which was super annoying. But. So if Bucky's healthy, I want to be back in. I just don't know if we're going to get there.
- [30:44]
Seth Wilcock
Just someone continue to fade throughout the off season. Like we kind of mentioned some of those guys. Cam Scatter, Boo Quinshaw, Judkins, Chavante, give me the guaranteed touches specifically in the passing game and inside the 20. Right. Because you're going to get a guy between the 20s here, maybe a Bucky Irving who doesn't have the red zone equity and maybe doesn't have the pass catching equity either. Boggs, let's stay at the running back position once again. Who are you fading in this tier?
- [31:08]
Big Time Bogman
Yeah, apparently I'm not tired of Twitter yelling at me about this yet. So it's going to be Bashell Tootin. Yes. And, and look, let me just preface this by saying I expect Bashell Tootin to be the lead back in Jacksonville this year. So just let's get that out of the way. I do expect him to be the lead this year, but I think that this could be broken up into three spots. Kind of like we just talked about with Bucky. Right. And it is a Kmart version of the Tampa Bay situation. It's a worse version of the Tampa Bay situation, but I think it could be the same where too niche lead back. He gets everything between the twenties. Once we get there, then it's Chris Rodriguez for the end zone and on passing downs we could see more Laquin Allen. It would not be shocking to see this. And I really like Jamari Taylor who they picked up as a UDFA as well. I think he might be able to push somebody off this roster as well. So it's not that I don't expect Tooten to be the lead back. I do. And the last time I got drugged for this it was from a dynasty angle which is even more. I don't trust Tootin in a dynasty angle. Like, you know, they could easily draft a big running back next year and push everybody off this roster. It would not be shocking or sign someone. There's a lot of big UFAs at running back next going in next season. So I think that this is going to be more of a mix than we thought. So I just don't. I'm not as enthusiastic about Tutin as everybody else is. That's it. I think he could easily have goal line and passing situations pulled away from him and it would not be shocking. That's why I'm not in on Tootin. I'm willing to be wrong and I think the most likely scenario is Bucky or Bucky is Tutin leads Jacksonville by a decent margin. I just don't know if I trust it to happen to where I'm reaching for him. The guys that we just mentioned, Scatterboo, Price, Judkins, all in that range. I'd much rather have all those guys again.
- [33:11]
Seth Wilcock
Like I, I don't want to sound like a broken record then I'm just trying to glaze you guys up. But like I, I feel very, very similar because this is another person. I think he's between the 20s guy. Right. Because Chris Rodriguez, what is he good? He, he's good at running north and south. He's good thumper on the goal line. And Laquinna Allen Jr. Again, another Syracuse running back, I think a little underrated for his pass catching chop specifically. So I think Tutin, a guy who didn't really push Travis ETN that hard last year specifically when like ETN was fine especially for fantasy he was really good but like his efficiency metrics not great by any standpoint. So I just, I just think Tutin might be a little bit overinflated. But Tara, I'd love to hear your opinion on him as well. Do you think maybe there is a second year breakout looming for Tutin?
- [33:56]
Tara Roberts
I do. I'm pro tootin. I'm one of those nuts on Twitter now. It was me on the Bird. No. Yeah, with a little tiger pole in the background. No, I promise it wasn't me. But I am pro Tootin. Yeah. Because. But the thing is is that I think you guys are 100% correct about like we're taking Scatter Boo and Judkins over him for sure. So I think at cost we've got a good situation going because I can't see him going in like maybe he crosses a David Montgomery maybe. But even then. So once we figure out like that Monty is the guy guy then probably not. So we're probably going to be drafting tootin as an RB3 so it value you. I'm good with it because we're not going to be over drafting him and you know the big, the biggest concern, ZCR is 25.
- [34:43]
Big Time Bogman
I haven't met 30 like he is. He's still an RB3. Yeah, you're absolutely correct there. I just want to point that out.
- [34:49]
Tara Roberts
Yeah. And the biggest thing that I You know, the big question mark is the past catching, right? Because. Cool. A Quinton Allen Jr. I think is arguably more proven in that area and better. And we'll need to see how Tutin has improved and blocking and whatnot. But the, the key for me in terms of feeling good about Tootin is like, he was incredibly, incredibly efficient in the red zone. And for the little, you know, touches that it didn't seem like we thought he would creep in on ETN more. The usage in the red zone was very key. Multiple touchdowns there, two receiving touchdowns, had just two receptions converted, both for receiving touchdowns. He was actually more successful at the goal line inside the five than Travis ETN was. So that was like really specific usage for a rookie for me. So it leaves me feeling encouraged. Like, I know we've got that whole college connection with Chris Rodriguez and you know, we know he's good at the goal line. But arguably, I think Tutin has just as much of a right, maybe more of an incumbent right to that. So we'll see how it shakes out. But as long as it stays in this range, I'm willing to take a chance, just especially because I expect that Jacksonville offense to continue in a positive direction there.
- [35:52]
Seth Wilcock
Okay, let's go to Western New York. Tara next for your next fade, where I was up there this past weekend, maybe an hour south of Orchard park and that's where we had my bachelor party. I was playing golf on Saturday in 45 degree weather. Wind was 20 to 40 miles per hour. I'll never forget it, what a time it was. But that's sometimes what you can expect up there in Western PA is quite some weather. Maybe not a factor anymore, but we're
- [36:17]
Big Time Bogman
not doing that, Seth. We're. We're hurt down south. We are not doing that call.
- [36:21]
Seth Wilcock
I know sometimes you just gotta gut it out with the boys and the girls and get out there like the course, no matter what the conditions are. But Tara, you might not think weather is maybe a factor with the Bill's new stadium, but maybe. Is there something else going on there that doesn't have you keying in here on DJ Moore from a fantasy standpoint?
- [36:39]
Tara Roberts
Yeah, unfortunately, it's just way too many bodies. I mean, the, the wide receiver core for Buffalo was already a problem. Now we throw DJ Moore into the mix and I don't see them massively increasing pass volume because we've got a lot of continuation of things. We got a new head coach, but that HEC coach has implemented a system that has been in existence for years. I don't think we're going to change. And we've progressively seen two years now since he's been in control, a decrease in passing volume. And the thing unfortunately is there, you know, whether regardless or not, we don't have consistent pass volume out of Josh Allen and it's no negative towards him. Right. It's just because she doesn't have to. Right. Because when you, when you can win with your legs, you don't need to put up 300 plus yards every single week. You can win with less than 20 completions very easily there. And so when we're looking at DJ Moore being inserted into this offense and nothing being taken away, my fear is that I'm not necessarily concerned that DJ Moore hit a cliff because I know there's a lot of people thinking, you know, I think he hit a cliff based off last year. I mean, 17 full games and 50 receptions is nasty work. But at the end of the day, the Bears was a weird setup last year. So I can excuse it because again, that was another situation where they had, you know, a great system but two very talented rookie pass catchers added in. It was a setup for him to lose target share from the jump. Right. But my problem here is that I just, I'm glad he got out of Buffalo, but I wish it was to or out of Chicago, but I wish it was to anywhere else. I don't think he's going to thrive in Buffalo. At the end of the day, when we're looking at this and we're, we're looking at the system and we're looking at Josh Allen, we're going to probably get him in that same kind of. Not obviously a Khalil Shakir role, but if you remember what happened with Khalil Shakira last year, it was wildly unpredictable. You'd have a fantastic fantasy game and then you turn around and get zero fantasy points. And there was no real way to tell when the booms were going to happen. So good luck trying to predict it. I see no reason why suddenly we get DJ Moore in there and they will add in enough pass volume to make him the single consistent pass catcher with the addition of even another rookie wide receiver and Skyler Bell as well. Trying to make it work with Keon Coleman. It's just a whole lot of bodies in there. We're getting a discount on DJ Moore. But is the upside really there? I don't know that it is.
- [39:00]
Seth Wilcock
I think the only thing going in his direction for a bull case would be, hey, this is Joe Brady, a guy who likes DJ Moore, had one of his best seasons with DJ Moore running out there for the Panthers. However, that was a long time ago.
- [39:12]
Big Time Bogman
Right.
- [39:13]
Seth Wilcock
A lot's changed. Has DJ Moore falling off? Was he just kind of out of the rotation and out of the good graces of Ben Johnson Co. In Chicago? We shall see. Boggs, where are you at in your rankings on DJ Moore? Because currently wide receiver 28 in ECR, I'm 2961 overall. Does that sound about right, or is that a little too rich for your blood and tear? I'd also love to hear where you have them ranked currently.
- [39:35]
Big Time Bogman
No, I got him at 26. I'm. I'm more positive on DJ more than y' all are. And it's not. I'll admit the wide receiver room in Buffalo is gray and murky. Right. Like, I think that's kind of why,
- [39:49]
Seth Wilcock
like, the weather up there.
- [39:51]
Big Time Bogman
Right? Right. Gray and gross. Right. Like, what is going to happen here? But I think that DJ Moore is by far the best wide receiver on this roster, and I think he's the best wide receiver that probably Josh Allen has had since Diggs. Right. It's just been. Yeah, it's just been a lot of, you know, trying Amari Cooper and Brandon Cooks and just trying to find somebody else to put next to Shakir, who is insanely inconsistent, as we mentioned. So I think DJ Moore is going to work. I want him as my third wide receiver in Buffalo because he's tied to Josh Allen and Brady. Right. I think this is just going to be a little more open. I think getting McDermott out is probably going to open up this offense way more. So I'm positive on DJ Moore, but I will admit it could be Skylar Bell by the end of the season. Right. Like, I just don't know exactly how it's going to go. I don't think DJ Moore is washed. I think he's still got a little bit in him, so I'm going to be risking and taking him as my wide receiver three where I can.
- [40:54]
Seth Wilcock
Tara, where's he at in your rankings?
- [40:56]
Tara Roberts
I don't know. It's a drastic difference. He's my wide receiver 31. So, yeah, wide receiver, wide receiver three.
- [41:02]
Seth Wilcock
Okay.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, it kind of the same way I feel about Tootin. Right? It's like, yes, he's still a wide receiver three. He's just at the bottom of my wide receiver three. So he's the last option I'll take. I'll hold my nose to take him, but I can still draft him. Not Undraftable.
- [41:16]
Seth Wilcock
Boggs, let's stay at the wide receiver position for your final fade in this tier of 36 through 75 in the ECR.
- [41:24]
Big Time Bogman
All right. Earmuffs, Tara. It's Christian Watson. It's. It's Watson. I mean, look, the skill is great, right? He's a very good deep option for anybody. He's a very good wide receiver. But I mean, I don't want a guy that cannot stay on the field. 48 games in his career. He has missed 20 games in his career. He's had six games with five or more receptions across four seasons. He's had six games with over 100 yards. He's never played every game in a season. He's super boom or bust for you as well. So you just add up all these things, right? He is injured or on the injury report a lot too, which is also super annoying because you don't know when to play him. He is boomer bust in his performances and at any point he could go down. I think Jaden Reed is going to be way better coming into this season healthy. I hope Matthew golden takes another step. The packers get Tucker Kraft back as well. Obviously we don't know what's going on with Josh Jacobs right now. May see Jordan Love do the Jacoby Brissette because he just don't have a running game. But I think that. I just think that there's too many pieces that are going to take more targets in this offense with Reed Kraft coming back and golden in his second year. And I just can't stomach rostering a guy that is constantly on the injury report all the time. It's super annoying to me. I don't like it. So I'm just not going to be rostering Christian Watson anywhere.
- [43:05]
Seth Wilcock
It's so funny how we've kind of done this like hokey pokey, like you got your one foot in, one foot out with Watson. Like people are kind of fading him last draft season and then of course he comes back mid season. He.
- [43:15]
Big Time Bogman
He was great.
- [43:16]
Seth Wilcock
Yeah. And he was awesome. So now people are back in and Bogs, I'm. I'm kind of like, I didn't think I was gonna be out on Watson, but then when I looked at his overall ECR 57, overall wide receiver, 27, I have in miles ahead of DJ Moore. Yeah, I'm at 71, so I am like 14 spots below consensus. And it's not because, like I don't like. I love Christian Watts, man. I have a ton of a ton of shares and Dynasty still from a couple years ago when I was drafting him in the late first round of rookie drafts. The. The issue is exactly what you said. It's the health concern and it's also the fact like, hey, now we are paying up to like Christian Watson. If you take him here, he's probably not your wide receiver for. Right. He's not your bench wide receiver. He's a starter you need to rely on every single week. And I don't know if I want to do that. Tara, you being the resident packers fan or are you willing to do that at current costs and and have him as one of your like, you know, guys week in and week out you're relying on? Because again, I love the talent, just I don't love the price.
- [44:13]
Tara Roberts
Yeah, it's a. I'm neither in nor out. Ironic. Like if I were to compare to another team of a guy who I have ranked lower than him, but I would nine times out of ten, probably maybe pass on Christian Watson and try to shoot for the upside. Like I have a Quentin Johnson ranked lower. But I feel more optimistic about Quentin Johnston making it through an entire season in a great system with a ton of targets and touchdowns. So I would lean that direction. So yeah, I'm neither in nor out. But ironically, I think I will be taking a lot of late round dart throws at Matthew golden because I think he kind of offers what I don't know if I'm sold on Ray, but I think golden offers the happy medium, right. In terms of extreme reliability. He's the only one out there. He does exactly what he was sold on in terms of terms of why they drafted him. He can run a route exactly as is and he can catch a ball and not drop it. And that seems to be a problem for the vast majority of packers receivers. I mean, there's the benefit of the fact that we have thinned out the receiving core, thank God on that one with Romeo Dobbs and Dante man wicks out of there. So at least it won't be that spread around and we will have to see, you know, how. How does Tucker Craft come back? Is there a slow ramp up or anything? But at least it's thinned out. And while the ranking has gone up a little bit, I think it's still not super egregious right now.
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Seth Wilcock
Let's continue this party folks, with our QB and tight end landmines. These are players inside our top 12 of the quarterback rankings or top 10 of the tight ends that we're actively avoiding at cost and bogs. I want to start out here at the quarterback position because it's a player that I can't stop drafting in Dynasty particularly, but also in Redraft. I'm all the way in. I don't know if it's because I have gotten really into sports card collecting over the past couple months and like this guy's cars are going for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. But I'm all the way in and I think you're all the way out.
- [48:05]
Big Time Bogman
It's not that I'm all the way out. Right. Our instruction on this point specifically was to pick a quarterback within the top 10 that is going to be a bit of a reach. I think all other nine are great. So to me it has to be Jackson Dart. So I love Jackson Dart. I think he is great. I think he brought a lot of fun to this offense last year. The rushing upside puts him in the top 10 category without a doubt. But if we're picking one of the guys Inside the top 10 to not reach his expectations, I think it has to be Dart. Right? He had concussions issues and he runs around like a crash test dummy. So to me you had three options here. It was Dart, Daniels or maybe Hurts. Those are my three options. So to me it's going to be the lowest guy on this group. It's going to be Dart. Also I mentioned Malik Neighbors at the top, right. We're not 100% sure what is happening with him. Expect him to be okay for most of the season. The beginning of the season could be weird and then Cam Scatter Boo is coming off an injury. There's no one with less options to throw to inside that top 10 either. Maybe you want to say Jaden Daniels, but they've got Chig and they've got some decent running backs and catch the ball as well. So you know, if Malik Neighbors doesn't play, it's really thin at wide receiver and even if he does play, it's really thin at wide receiver. So if we're picking one of these quarterbacks to kind of drop, I think it has to be Dart. So. And thank you for letting me start even though Tara did pick before me.
- [49:45]
Seth Wilcock
So Tara, I want to hear your thoughts in the bear case here on Dart because this is someone who had eight quarterback one finishes last season and he didn't even start the whole season. Right. He missed over a month of playing time due to just not being out there. Whether that's injuries, whether I was just riding the pine for Russell Wilson.
- [50:04]
Tara Roberts
So.
- [50:05]
Seth Wilcock
So what do you think it is about Dart that concerns you about being a top 10 ranked quarterback?
- [50:10]
Tara Roberts
To be blunt, it's Matt Nagy. That's it. Now it's Boggs pointed out the whole issues with the pass catchers and whatnot. I'm probably a little bit more aggressive about my fade on Jackson Dart. It's not a default of this. It's. It's that he is my one guy even in like the top 15 or so that I look at and I've got concerns about the offense as a whole because of the coordinator and that's really the big issue there. You know, Matt Nagy has proven time and time again that he cannot properly develop a young quarterback. And Jackson Dart, no offense to him. The arm, the talent, the like the legs, upside, all fantastic. But he's still young and especially we see these year two regressions happen so much and you need coaching in there that can stop that from happening or at least mitigate it a little bit. And I've just got no faith that someone that'll show up in meetings, someone, something someone. I mean we've, we've witnessed these young quarterbacks just be decimated by Mat Nagy and I would love him to prove me wrong on this one. Please do. I need, I desperately need as you, as you. I need him on some dynasty tapes too. Like I want to be wrong on this one but unfortunately I've just got zero faith that all of that wonderful progress that we saw for Jackson Dart last year is just not decimated by the coaching situation. And the more so issue there is that this is not like, like if you were to look at Matt Nagy in Kansas City, right, It's a nice, a nice cushy job. But if something goes wrong with Nagy, Andy Reid can nix that and fix the issue. John Harbaugh can't do that. We are reliant on Matt Nagy here to Jackson Dart forward. So that's, that's it. I wish it was literally anybody else. Of all the choices, I mean we see Brian Dabel go over and I'm so excited for, for what he can do for Cam Ward because you know, all head coaching issues aside, he can you know develop a quarterback and I'm just, I feel bad for the situation that Jackson Dart is being put into with the coaching situation. Hopefully he could put push past that and his talent can push forward and make it a non issue. But at the ADP that we are drafting him, that's a concern especially because it's probably going to look like Spike weeks like fantastic QB5 overall performance and then drop down to QB22 inconsistency unfortunately and pass volume and if the legs and the touchdowns aren't making up for it, it might be a nasty week.
- [52:25]
Seth Wilcock
QB7 and ECR68 overall currently is the price tag for Jackson's Dart. It sounds like Tara and Boggs will not have him. If that price stands, I will. I'll take all the Jackson Dart I can get here in fancy. I'll take all the Jackson Dart Bowman Chrome cards as well. So send those over. Hit me up on Twitter. DM me. Maybe, maybe we can get a little deal in there. Let's go ahead though. Let's round it out here with tight ends. Boggs, who are you fading at the tight end position inside our top 10.
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Big Time Bogman
Yeah, and this is more of a tier fade than a specific player fade. So I have Sam Laporta listed here, but what I'm really looking at is getting a tight end inside the top seven. And my top seven are McBride, Bowers, Loveland, Kraft, Warren Fannin and Pitts. That's how I have it. I have Isaiah likely ahead of Laporta in the next year. I mean, look, I don't like Matt Nagy either, but Trey Burton finishes tight end 8 with him, right? And then he had Kelsey and Comet. He relies on the tight end a lot. So I do really like Isaiah likely this year as a bump up. But for me it's just if you get down to this, if you get down past the top end of tight end into you haven't taken one in the top seven. Just piecemeal it, man. There are so many here that can fit. So just play matchups, play week to week because I have 8 to 14 as a group and that is, you know, we're going to be fading. Gadsden, but after that, Goddard is still your tight end one in Philly and A.J. brown is going to be gone. Chigaconquo is now the number two option in Washington, right? A.J. barner had a bunch of touchdowns on the back end last year. Juwan Johnson is still there. Hunter Henry, you know, the Patriots didn't add enough targets. There are tight ends to play matchups with. So for me, if I don't get one in that top seven, I am taking a tight end low and the deeper my benches are, the more I'll just take two and play matchups. So it is about Sam Laporta and not being in that tier. I just, I don't want a guy that is hurt all the time like Sam Laporta. That's a thing of mine. Just like with Christian Watson, right? LaPorta's had back injury, knee injury, all this stuff. So I don't want the injury prone guy. So I'LL say Laporta specifically but really it's outside that top seven. I'm playing matchups. Isaiah likely is going to be one of my guys and then I'll take somebody else.
- [54:54]
Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I'm pretty much there with you. I just don't see the value in using and burning a top 100 pick on someone like Sam Laporta when we get down like this is a year and I think we're pretty in line as a company right now. Like I want a top seven tight end. I want to go get Tyler Warren, I want Loveland, I want Trey McBride, I want Bowers on my team. I want fan and Craft Pitts like any of those guys. But if I can't get him, I
- [55:17]
Big Time Bogman
mean BTJ Pollard, Lemon Godwin are all going behind laporta Too many. Give me one of those guys.
- [55:22]
Seth Wilcock
Yep, I, I completely agree. Like I I'll roll the dice on a rookie. I'll roll the dice that Chig is who I think he is. So 100 in lockstep with you and Tara. I'm also kind of almost in line with with you here on your tight end fate as well.
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Tara Roberts
Yeah, that's a very same concept. I'm right with you guys that that my Kyle Pitts is the cut off and from that point on we're just going to do whatever makes makes the most sense in terms of value for what we are drafting. And I'm very low on Dalton Kincaid. I wish I would be let maybe I go bold and just drop all the way too because I don't really do full fades. But if ever there was one person who I can guarantee right no matter how far he drops it's not a sure why not? I don't want any part of Duncan Kincaid. I mean where you can argue Sam Laporta. At least we've seen you know the overall one upside from him. Have we seen that from Dalton Kincaid. But we're still drafting him as a top 10 tight end when we have not seen that top 10 output. We definitely have not seen anywhere near it over the past two seasons where he's finished his tight end 20 and tied in 30 and injuries have played a major, major role in it. And I hate to be like a, a Bills pass catcher hater. I mean I guess I could have gone three for three because I got James Cook regression concerns. But I decided, I decided not to be a fool but Bill's hater, like let's not go that far now. So we'll cut it off here at these two Bass catchers. But yeah, it's. There's too many. Too many bodies and we've seen so much inconsistency and the. In the Dawson Knots existence is significant. They extended him. They're keeping that him there for a reason because they too see the injury issues and they have specifically said they might incorporate load management to deal with Dalton Kincaid's injury issues. That is very specific. They see it and they're trying to figure out a way to work around at it. So we've already got this extremely crowded offense and we've already, you know, we're looking at the possibility of him being reduced a little bit in terms of usage because he struggled to stay on the field and be able to push through injuries. There's just so much working against Duncan Kincaid and I feel like we're drafting him on the optimism of where we looked at him in the NFL draft and the promise that he could have because he's such a talented player and there's reason to draft talented players in crowded, you know, crowded pass catching rooms. We did that with Colson Loveland. It turned out perfectly fine. But I think this is just a very difficult, difficult situation because this has been an existing issue for multiple years now and I don't see it specifically changing in this year. So there needs to be a massive drop in terms of where we were looking at because all of those tight ends that Boggs mentioned, I'll take them 10 times over. Please give me an Isaiah likely. Just. I, I don't want to deal with this because the upside on a given week is not worth the 10 weeks of downside that you will get. If he's even on the field, he's
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Big Time Bogman
going to be like the most dropped player in the first three weeks of
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Tara Roberts
the season, I think so.
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Big Time Bogman
Dalton Kane.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah. The ECR ranking doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me. Like, I know that is where Dalton Kincaid has the upside to finish, but I think like, that is the upside.
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Big Time Bogman
Right.
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Seth Wilcock
Because not only are you a player who does have injury concerns, you don't stay on the field because. Because he can't block. Right. Like, not only do you have Dalton Knox, but you got Jackson Hawes out there. I mean, Boggs, you know how much I love my, my.
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Big Time Bogman
I mean, he's not going to catch many balls, but he's going to be on the field because he blocks so well and he'll be a red zone threat.
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Seth Wilcock
Yeah, I mean, you know, I love my Georgia Tech players, but like, that's just one of them. That I, I think can have a real impact here. And Joe Brady, you mentioned it earlier, Tara, probably some more run heavy sets. You have someone that I really like coming in from, from a rookie standpoint in Skyler Bell into that receiving core as well. So I, I think it just is too much of a expense. Like if Dalton Kincaid was going at like tight end 14, 15 like he was a year ago, sign me up. But here at tight end 9104 overall it's just too pricey for me. So folks, great stuff tonight that is going to do it for us right here on the Fancy Pros Fantasy Football podcast. Let us know down below. Which one of these 11 fades do you want to target? Which one of them are you fading with us or which ones did we miss? We want to hear from you right here. Also on your way out, please don't forget, smash that like button if you enjoyed this episode. And don't forget, subscribe both here in the Fancy Bros. You YouTube channel and the audio feed. Also be sure to check out all the great written content and our tool suite@fantasypros.com thank you so much for watching for Scott Big Time Bogman and Taya Roberts. I'm Seth Wilcock. Take care y'.
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Tara Roberts
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