Conference Championship Recap & Super Bowl LX Preview | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1949)

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Episode: Conference Championship Recap & Super Bowl LX Preview | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1949)
Date: January 26, 2026
Host: Joey P (Joe Pisapia) with Scott Bogman and Chris Welsh ("Welsh")

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the NFL Conference Championship games, breaking down the pivotal moments from Seahawks vs. Rams and Patriots vs. Broncos. The crew analyzes critical coaching decisions, standout player performances, and how special teams and weather became decisive factors. They preview Super Bowl LX, ponder coach hirings, and riff on the media narratives heading into the big game. True to Out of Bounds' style, the episode is lively, witty, and always punctuated by memorable banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFC Championship Game: Seahawks 31 – Rams 27

(Starts ~03:17)

• Special Teams Swing:
  • Rams’ season-long special teams blunders struck at the worst times. Mischandled punts and kick returns led directly to Seahawks points.
  • Joey P: “Once again, the Rams special teams is their undoing. All year...and here it was again.” [03:03]
• Tariq Woolen's Rough Sequence:
  • Great defensive stop, followed by a costly taunting penalty, and then a touchdown given up to Puka Nacua.
  • Bogman: “Really bad series of events for Tariq.” [03:24]
• Quarterback Duel:
  • Both Sam Darnold and Matthew Stafford delivered three touchdowns, 300+ yards, and no interceptions—a rare playoff feat.
  • Fun guesswork on when this last happened (Allen vs. Mahomes 2022). [06:12]
• Sam Darnold’s Consistency:
  • Darnold credited for clutch third-down throws in the fourth quarter, keeping chains moving with “dagger death shots.”
  • Welsh: “It was the consistency specifically in the fourth quarter. I mean dagger death shots on that final drive...” [07:49]
• Game Flow & Rams Lapses:
  • Stafford’s hot stretch and Puka’s (temporary) third-quarter disappearance dissected.
  • Crucial and accurate sideline call by referees praised. [09:31]

2. AFC Championship Game: Patriots 10 – Broncos 3

(Starts ~11:55)

• Weather's Huge Impact:
  • The snowstorm in the second half transformed the game into a defensive slog. Passing became almost impossible.
  • Joey P: “By the second half of this game, it was like a whiteout.” [12:15]
• Sean Payton’s Questionable Decision:
  • Traced Denver's loss to passing up an easy field goal before halftime, later regretting not taking the points.
  • Bogman: “That was the entire game. That was the game and it was the wrong decision.” [14:07]
• Jared Stidham’s Limitations:
  • As predicted, he managed moments but also coughed up a costly turnover at a pivotal moment.
• Patriots Defense Praised:
  • Survived battles against high-performing defenses in the playoffs. Noted for disciplined scheming and toughness.
  • Joey P: “The Patriots have given up 26 points in the playoffs. The Seahawks gave up 27 last night.” [19:03]
• Drake May’s Poise:
  • The rookie QB’s late-game running conversion sealed the win—highlighted as the episode’s most clutch moment.
  • Joey P: “The Drake May running for that first down, putting that game away in the snow.” [33:14]

3. Super Bowl LX: Early Storylines & Matchup Strategy

(Starts ~18:04)

• Media’s Narrative About “Schedules” Debunked:

  • Hosts critique the focus on Patriots' supposedly easy schedule, calling it “nonsense.”
  • Equally tough examination of Seahawks’ back end of the year schedule.

• Underdog Fuel, Defensive Edge:

  • Patriots as “Road Warriors”: Nine road wins (an NFL record)—embracing the underdog identity.
  • Patriots defense credited as a key X-factor—return of Milton Williams spotlighted.
  • Bogman: “The scheming in the playoffs has been outstanding by New England… spearheaded by Mellon Williams returning.” [20:29]

• Expect a Defensive Struggle:

  • “This is going to be a boring game… an offensive person’s nightmare of a Super Bowl.” [25:49 – Welsh]
  • Expect slow-pace, ground-and-pound, with defenses dictating terms. Fields goals could be decisive.

• Key Matchup:

  • Patriots' defense vs. Sam Darnold & Seattle offense likely to tip the balance for a “grind-it-out” result.
  • Sam Darnold: “perfect porridge” quarterback—good enough, steady…but not spectacular.

4. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Welsh (on Geno Smith):
  “Geno Smith is legitimately maybe the worst quarterback of all time.” [05:11]

• Joey P (on Sam Darnold):
  “Sam Darnold, the perfect porridge... if you're really hungry and starving and it's there, you're going to eat it, but you're not like thrilled about it.” [07:59]

• Joey P (on Super Bowl Narrative):
  "This plays right into the hand of the Patriots in terms of motivation... I like the Pats in this game, and it's not because I'm a Patriots fan." [25:49]

• Bogman (on new QB faces):
  "Honestly, this is a really good story... winner or don’t win the Super Bowl, doesn't matter for Sam Darnold at this point." [28:27]

• Welsh (on upcoming matchup):
  "Sam Darnold is like in the next tier looking down... a fine, good game manager who has one of the best wide receivers in the game in Jackson, Smith, and Jigba." [26:08]

• Welsh (on playoff coaching decision):
  "To me, though, like this was the porridge of games, this was the grits of games." [16:38]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 03:17 | NFC Championship breakdown: Seahawks vs. Rams | | 05:13 | Geno Smith/Quarterback legacy fun | | 07:49 | Sam Darnold’s clutch 4th quarter | | 09:31 | Refereeing & sideline call praise | | 11:55 | AFC Championship: Patriots vs. Broncos in the blizzard | | 14:07 | Sean Payton’s fourth-down gamble scrutinized | | 19:03 | Patriots’ playoff defense discussed | | 20:29 | Milton Williams’ impact; Patriots “Road Warriors” | | 25:49 | Super Bowl narrative/strategy | | 33:14 | Championship Sunday’s clutch moments | | 36:03 | Fact or Fiction: Steelers & coaching carousel |

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Fact or Fiction: Coaching Carousel (36:03–46:41)

The hosts play "Fact or Fiction," debating the fate of coaches and teams for the upcoming season:

• Mike McCarthy as Steelers HC:

  • All: Fiction. Too much skepticism in his ability to win a playoff game with Pittsburgh’s current roster.
  • Bogman (rampant): “Maybe McCarthy will be okay… but I think it was just a terrible, terrible move.” [37:02]

• Jesse Minter and the Ravens:

  • Generally positive; with the right roster, could get them “over the hump.” [38:47]

• Belichick coaching Allen:

  • Hard fiction. Off-field distractions and age deemed too big a hurdle. [40:04]

• Zac Taylor’s job safe with Bengals?:

  • If Burrow’s healthy, yes. [41:09]

• Sean McDermott firing in Buffalo:

  • Fact. It was time for new direction after repeated stalls in the playoffs, despite some dysfunction around timing & process. [42:23]

• Robert Saleh fit in Tennessee:

  • Fact. Regarded as a strong culture hire, albeit with offensive coordinator needs. [44:48]

• Dolphins’ new HC lasting more than two years:

  • Fact: Unlikely. Instability predicted. [45:54]

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Other Memorable, Lighter Moments

• Culinary Sidetrack: Long tangent about porridge, grits, and regional food, reflecting on football “porridge” games. [07:59, 08:40]
• Super Bowl promotional graphic conspiracy:
  • Entertaining riff on the NFL’s “Road to the Super Bowl” media graphic placing Drake May & Sam Darnold closest to the trophy. [31:10]
• Warriors/Outsiders movie trivia and generational differences in NFL/fandom references. [46:20]

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Final Segment: Touchdown Contest and Wrap-up

• Bogman wins the Playoff Touchdown Contest after correctly calling both Kyren Williams and JSN to score. [47:50]
• The team teases upcoming Super Bowl week content and encourages listeners to join Twitch and YouTube communities and check out BettingPros Premium tools.

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Summary Takeaway

This was a comprehensive, slightly off-the-wall recap and preview episode. The hosts provided actionable insights into each game: X-factors, turning points, and the role of special teams and coaching decisions. The Patriots are cast as underdog "Road Warriors" with an NFC foe in the Seahawks who, while formidable, aren’t invincible. The episode ends with spirited debate about the AFC/NFC coaching carousel, QB futures, and a love/hate relationship with NFL commercial cycles. Expect a slow, defense-dominated Super Bowl LX—and plenty of banter regardless of outcome.

Transcript

[Joey P]

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[Welsh]

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And for delivery. Welcome in, everybody, to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P, Joe P. Is up here with my two best friends, Bogman and Welsh, and it's all you hanging out on the Twitch Live, Twitch TV Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be to hang out for out of bounds. And a whole bunch of content leading off will be here every single day in just a few months. For baseball, we got NFL content, we got draft content, we got everything going on. And of course, we want you to subscribe and use your Amazon prime account. Five bucks gets rid of those nasty commercials. So do it up front. It's very easy. Or you could watch us on the YouTube. Subscribe to Fancy Pros on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. Gentlemen, the super bowl is set. But before we talk about it, I want to. And moan and complain for a second because I live in New Jersey.

[Scott Bogman]

Shut up.

[Joey P]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Joey P]

Telling myself for the last five and a half hours outside shoveling snow and plowing snow was like, at least the Patriots are in the Super Bowl. There was a wall of ice. Bodman, you are a Game of Thrones guy. You know on the wall where Jon Snow is. You know that thing of ice and. And snow that was at the end of my driveway because all the plows and the main drag just come down, shooting down 500 miles an hour.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Joey P]

And it's like chipping away a piece of the time. I wish I had a dragon so I could just melt it all at once and then be done with it. But you're right.

[Scott Bogman]

Dead dragon for that, I believe.

[Joey P]

That's right. Undead dragon. And Welsh. You wore sandals yesterday. So how does that feel?

[Welsh]

Yeah, I was like. It was like 64, 65, something like that. Not that degree. I wore sandals.

[Joey P]

And I know you see it.

[Welsh]

What is that?

[Scott Bogman]

It's censored.

[Joey P]

It's for the YouTube audience. It's. It's. It's a. I got my hand over my other hand, and there's one finger. I don't know which one it is, but it's popping out, so.

[Welsh]

Might get demonetized there. Yeah. I did not experience all of what you were just going through, but. Oh, cry me a river.

[Scott Bogman]

My team did a Super Bowl.

[Welsh]

I mean.

[Scott Bogman]

My team's in the super bowl again. We were so bad for seven years. Now we're back in the super bowl, man.

[Joey P]

All right, well, let's break down the games. What we saw, what we're looking forward to. We're gonna do a little fact or fiction with some NFL coaches and some other things here. We'll do our quick first take on the Super Bowl. Let's start with the entertaining game, the evening game, the NFC championship game. Final score, Seattle 31, Rams 27. Now, obviously, these two teams in division, they're matched up very evenly. We've seen some really fun contests. This game went over the. The point total that we were set here at Vegas. And the Rams, of course, once again had a chance to win it. And once again, the Rams special teams is their undoing. All year, the Ram special teams has put them in bad positions, bad situations, and here it was again that, you know, first it was like a foreshadowing. Bogs. It was like in a novel because he bobbled the first one, the kick returner. And then you saw that second one where it just like. Nope. And the second one, boom, there it is. They capitalize with the touchdown. Then you have in the second half, the incredible stop, followed by a Tariq Woollen penalty for taunting, followed by them attacking Tariq 1 on the very next play with a Puka Nakua touchdown. A lot of swings back and forth.

[Scott Bogman]

Really bad series of events for Tariq.

[Joey P]

Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm going to ask you, at that point, did you feel like the worm was turning in that game for the Rams?

[Scott Bogman]

How could you not? I mean, you had to. You had to feel that because these games have been back and forth, have been down in the last second, you know, all three games this year. So to see that go back, it was. And I, I thought the Rams were going to win this game going in. I mean, Sam Darnold played on a different level yesterday. He was so good. That pass to Jake Bobo, that was Jake Bobo's fourth catch of the year. They don't usually use him. He's out there to block most of the time. There were just some. JSN made some incredible catches. Kenneth Walker had one of the best cuts I've ever seen in my life. I mean, it was just everything was adding up for the Seahawks in the end. And, you know, what a huge game at home, what a huge win. And now they get to go play, you know, and get lit up by EMF meters over there, whatever it is. So.

[Joey P]

All right, so talk to me here, Welsh about your takeaways from this game here. You know, the roller coaster that it was. And also give me your thoughts, too, on the incredible performance by Donald and Matthew Stafford. That was Erickson's favorite bet. We talked about the three touchdowns and that was my bet. That was my touchdown.

[Welsh]

That was my. I would like the record.

[Joey P]

Sorry, my bad.

[Welsh]

I was the worst. Better you can be in the AFC game, but I monstered the NFC game because I had the Puka touchdown plus money and I had the three to one Matthew Stafford on the three touchdowns. So, yes, that was.

[Joey P]

I apologize. I forgot that was yours. So.

[Welsh]

It's okay.

[Joey P]

Credit where credit is due goes to you.

[Welsh]

I. I don't forget when I was not so great this weekend, so I'm gonna remember that one. Making up for the AFC ones. I. I like that we're jumping into takeaways because I'll give you the first takeaway. I know this is going on online a little bit. Geno Smith is legitimately maybe the worst quarterback of all time.

[Scott Bogman]

I've been for years.

[Welsh]

Geno Smith left a fine Seahawks team that then immediately went to the super bowl. And then he led his new team to the number one overall pick in the draft. We would just like to point out that that gap, that margin might truly prove that Geno Smith is the league's worst quarterback to be able to do that. So that was one of my biggest takeaways from the game in general. But I really thought the. I thought the Rams had an opportunity to. To take this down. Matthew Stafford started lighting up. But, you know, Sam Darnold, in what he was able to do particularly. I mean, I guess I'm kind of jumping into, like, moments as well. If we're just getting.

[Joey P]

Yeah, we can. We can be. We can be loose today. There's really not a lot going on. We got, you know, these. It's basically recapping these games and a quick look. So, yeah, I mean, look, it was an incredible performance by Both these guys. Three touchdowns, 300 yards, no picks. Do you guys remember the last time we got that in a playoff between two quarterbacks in the same game?

[Welsh]

No, Bob's.

[Joey P]

You gotta. You gotta guess.

[Scott Bogman]

300 yards and no picks.

[Joey P]

300 yards, no picks, and we had three touchdowns from each quarterback in the same game.

[Scott Bogman]

I don't know that I remember it.

[Welsh]

It's gonna be like Tom Brady in somebody.

[Joey P]

It's not Tom Brady and somebody. It's actually more recent than that, if you can believe.

[Welsh]

Wasn't. I can't.

[Joey P]

Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes in that crazy game a couple years ago in 20 seconds game.

[Welsh]

Yeah, that was incredible.

[Joey P]

That was incredible.

[Welsh]

But jump back, jump back to it. So my moment because it this works, this is in this game is just the. And I think Bog's kind of talked about it was the consistency of Sam. Sam Darnold more particularly like I thought Matthew Stafford was just like a demon out there for like that quarter and a half. He was really going or two but. But it wasn't that Sam Darnold was the best quarterback on the field in that game, nor will he be the best quarterback on the field during the Super Bowl. It was the consistency specifically in the fourth quarter. I mean dagger death shots on that final drive where it's like, okay, it's third, whatever third and nine here he finds Cooper Cup. He, you know, he just kept finding the perfect spot on third down, first and second down. They, they really were going. I like that they were playing like opposite end. You thought that team was just going to run the crap out of the ball and they just kept playing. They set it up. You know, they played play action on it. But Sam Darnold found consistency on those third downs, was able to convert drives to just vagabond players. You know, Cooper cup becoming relevant in that game. So like Sam Darnold was enough, you know, this isn't like Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. No, no, I'm not saying and I'm not even trying to allude to it. Like I don't think he is the game changer. I don't think he's just a game manager. I think he's just like the perfect porridge. He's not too hot, he's not too cold. He's just like perfect.

[Joey P]

Exactly. Sam Darnold, the perfect porridge. I like that. That's a good nickname because he, you know, perfect porridge because he gives the illusion of porridge too. Like you're not. If you're really hungry and starving and it's there, you're going to eat it, but you're not like thrilled about it.

[Welsh]

I've never, I don't know even what poor is. Isn't porridge soup what is.

[Joey P]

No, it's like a. Seth, can you give us the full definition? I want to say it's more like an oatmeal ish kind of thing.

[Scott Bogman]

Porridge.

[Welsh]

So oatmeal. I mean that sounds gross. I don't. I think I would go with I.

[Joey P]

Didn'T it as a child, but as an adult I've Actually learned to like.

[Welsh]

It's got to put something on oatmeal, like cinnamon.

[Joey P]

I don't always. Yeah, whiskey is good. Sometimes a little brown sugar is nice. But I like. I like the. The overnight oats, too. I'm a big fan of the overnight.

[Scott Bogman]

I like overnight oats, too. Pretty solid, I don't think.

[Welsh]

I'm just not cultured enough. Like, we're going from porridge. You and I are. All three of us are actually about to extend upon New Orleans. And I don't know what, like, jambalaya is or anything like that be there. So I have no experience on these. I think I would go with, like, jambalaya before I was going to go home.

[Scott Bogman]

Speaking Cajun. It's gonna be great.

[Welsh]

I'll get that Sam Donald there.

[Joey P]

So my. My takeaway. I mean, Welsh did his takeaway, which is also, you know, from this game. And my takeaway, too, was basically like, the Rams, again, special teams has always been their undoing. I mean, you've seen it in the playoffs. You've seen the regular season. They've tried to fix it. They couldn't fix it. And look at basically that touchdown that you gave up there in that moment on that turnover. That was a difference in the game. And I got to be honest with you, too. Box. I thought that Puka and first glance had gotten out of bounds, and I was like, what are we doing here?

[Welsh]

Why is everyone.

[Joey P]

I. I thought for sure it was out of bounds. And it was a fantastic. No one ever talks about this. It was a fantastic call by the refs. He was absolutely inbounds and good on the refs for really, like, nailing that in the. In the right, you know, in real time at that moment. There any other thoughts on this game? Two bogs. You want to, you know, give up here before we move on?

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, it's got to feel great for Cooper cup to be the guy to beat his old team, right? Like that. That was a really cool moment as well. Not. Not the moment that I want to highlight here. It's in the other game. But that was a really cool moment to see Cooper cup beat his whole team. You know, they just got. They got everybody involved. It was a true team win for the Seahawks, and they deserve to go.

[Welsh]

Wasn't it weird, by the way, the last thing on this is just like the third. Wasn't the third quarter. Puka just disappeared like Puka, you know, four for whatever it was in the fourth quarter. Yeah, well, and it was like there were a bunch of dump Offs, I think late third into early fourth. It was just running backs, it was Corum and it was Williams and then it became Adams and Parkinson. Like there was something that happened between like the third and the early part of the fourth where Puka just kind of disappeared from that game. Not saying that that was like the, the be all end all because Stafford of them had an opportunity but he was just taken out of the game for a little bit and luckily right at the end he got back in. So we were able to cash the eight catches for Puka to kua. But it, that was just like a weird, odd thing that happened in that game because it felt like with how Puk has been, you just got to keep going and you never let your foot off the gas with that. And they did for I don't know if it was the Seahawks shutting him down or the offense. It seemed like Stafford just wanted to take a lot of check downs and.

[Joey P]

You did have a good energy betting day. Well, I'm looking back by the way. Well done, Seth.

[Scott Bogman]

Seth put the porridge definition in chat A soft food made by boiling meal of grains or legumes and in milk or water until thick.

[Welsh]

Oh, what worst definition. You want to, you want to define food that sounds disgusting. It's a soft food.

[Joey P]

Yeah, but like that do you like grits?

[Scott Bogman]

I've never, I don't think he's ever had.

[Joey P]

Oh my God. Bodman, you like grits, right? Of course.

[Scott Bogman]

I'm not even.

[Joey P]

I love grits.

[Scott Bogman]

Of course I love.

[Joey P]

I like grits. I like cream of wheat. I like I Oatmeal is fine by me. It not the legumes part seven but if it's just like the grains I'm actually I think it's porridge time. I think we figure out you just.

[Welsh]

Get hired by the Steelers 62 year old Joe pizza. I love grits, Cream of wheat and I'm gonna go to Old town buffet at 2 for dinner.

[Joey P]

I'm just a ginzer who loves overnight oats. That's what I am. All right, let's talk about the AFC championship game. Certainly one that was all week. Nothing but this weird like hey guys, Jared Stidham. I saw so many Jared Stidham reels of Jared Stidham having one good pass at a game and Jared Stidham, you.

[Scott Bogman]

Know, throwing a lot of overwhelming positive narrative. Right. Jared Stum in this.

[Joey P]

It was crazy. I'm like guys, he's a backup quarterback for a reason, I'm sure. And I and I said this on Sunday morning on tv they still covered Jared Stidham is capable of throwing a touchdown this game. Jared said him is capable of making some plays. But Jared Stadtman eventually will make bad decisions in big spots here and he's going to have a turnover or two and it's going to cost him the game. And guess what is exactly how it played out. And to the credit of the Patriots, look, that that defense of the Denver Broncos is amazing. They have played back to back the Houston Texans and they won. They played the Denver Broncos in their own building. They won. So I don't want to hear about Jared said. I want to hear about that because whatever Denver Broncos defense is elite and now they're going to play the Seahawks defense. We're going to talk about that in just a second because I got some thoughts and feelings there. But I thought it was a really good job of Rabel managing this game, especially when the weather really kicked up. You're wearing white uniforms in the snow. It is impossible to throw the football. The wind is whipping around. Boggs, I know you were doing the first half of this game live. By the second half of this game, it was like a white house, a different crazy. And I thought that the all you had to do was not lose this game. You once you got the lead, it's don't lose it. Make them do something wrong. Make them make the mistake. And inevitably they did. Gonzalez gets the pick there. Great play call where you get Drake May on the way and apparently he didn't tell everybody he was keep the ball, which I love.

[Welsh]

I saw that.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Joey P]

And I was like, you know what? And that's what sold it because everybody was so committed to whatever the play call was. And then Drake Major turns around. He just keeps it himself. And I think it sold it to the Broncos defense, to Boggs. Take me through that because you got to be live on betting pros calling the first half of that game. In the second half of that game, as you said, completely different contest.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, look, once you get into the second half with the Blizzard, I mean it's just, you know, it's probably, it's likely no one's going to score, which is exactly what happened.

[Welsh]

But.

[Scott Bogman]

But it's also like a weird bounce can go either way. And that game did kind of come down to like, look, this is just going to be if there's no weird bounce, it is the team with the lead which makes the decision to go for it on fourth down in the first half by Sean Payton. When you have a chip shot Field goal. With the blizzard on the way, these three points are gone. If you don't get them here to go for it. That was the entire game. That was the game and it was the wrong decision. And we've seen it over and over and over and over throughout the playoffs.

[Joey P]

And in the regular season and in the regular season.

[Scott Bogman]

But okay, but whatever. But in the playoff season, you go for it. You try to get that win, whatever. You're in the playoffs with a backup quarterback, you take those points. I thought it was, you know, Seth and I knew they were going for it when they called the timeout. I'm like, you don't call the timeout to then kick the field goal. You are calling the timeout to line up a play. Because if you're kicking the field goal, you take the five yards, you don't burn the timeout. Right. It's a chip shot field goal at that point. It's definitely makeable even for Will Lutz. I thought that was the entire entire game was that play call which didn't go their way. And then obviously the fumble by Jared Stidham right before the half two where New England got all the momentum back and they're one score. They didn't do anything on offense. So that's concerning going into the super bowl against a team like Denver. But this, you can really just crumple up that second half and throw it away because of what?

[Joey P]

I'm not taking anything out of this game and carrying over to the super bowl. Except one thing we'll talk about in a second. But I think Boggs is 100% right. Welsh, I think that moment is unforgivable because as a head coach you already had a deficit playing with a backup quarterback. You're at home, take points whenever you can get points. Especially because as a coach you've got to know. I'm sure they briefed him of what the weather in the second half of that football game was going to possibly be. And it might be challenge to get points, so why not get all the points you can here and then let the second half play out as it were. What was your thoughts on that? Because I'm where Bogman was. I, I, I saw the same thing, I said the same thing to myself, which is that's a terrible decision in the circumstances you're going to be in in this game. And I never even thought it would be as bad as it was in the fourth quarter, weather wise.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I, I think at the end of the day though, like in that same vein of what you're talking about, like they need to take points. I think they were looking at like how many opportunities will we actually have? Like, and I think that's where it's coming from. Like we've got to take the opportunity to score the seven points before taking the three and I think had the.

[Scott Bogman]

Lead to it makes it a two score game.

[Welsh]

I mean I, again, I don't disagree. To me though, like this was the porridge of games, this was the grits of games. Like we are talking about delicious. We are talking about essentially one to two plays this entire game that set the tone, that is the legumes of NFL games because there wasn't a lot out of it. The offenses were stuttered. And I think that'll be the big thing. Obviously that's going to go into this super bowl is, you know, what did the Broncos do? They got to Drake May a bunch. I think you're going to see the Seahawks coming after Drake May. He only completed 10 passes. Is that going to be the big narrative that, you know, I think weather played a role into this but like are they going to be able to get more people involved? He completed passes to only four, four players in the entire game. I mean that's not, that's not the winning way for Drake May. Drake May was, you know, his, his ability to spread the ball around early in the season to continuously throw for two touchdowns every single game like they've won. Putting the ball in his hands and getting it through the air. This game that was completely taken away. So I think there's a lot of fun chatter around it. I thought this game kind of stunk, it led and it's going to lead to two straight weeks of everybody nonstop talking about the schedule for the Patriots and how soft they are and the line opened up early and I think it's kind of telling that story and there's not a lot of believers in it. So like I said. But in the beginning of the show, I'm gonna crank up those EMF meters, get this game closer single handedly.

[Joey P]

Well, I'm gonna crank this up which is the Seahawks schedule for a moment if I can. Okay. Because you're 100% right. Everyone's gonna be talking about the Patriots schedule. Patriots, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Welsh]

All I see, it's all I've seen on my timeline.

[Joey P]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Scott Bogman]

Football narrative. This is nonsense in the NFL.

[Joey P]

It's complete nonsense in the NFL. I agree. But more to the point, let's talk about the Seahawks schedule for A moment. Now, they beat the Houston Texans back in week seven. After that they played Washington. They beat him. Big deal. But Arizona, they're terrible. They beat him. They lost to the Rams, all right. Then after that they beat the Tennessee Titans, which if memory serves, fired their coach. And they were the worst teams in the NFL record wise. The Minnesota Vikings. They shut out the Minnesota Vikings because Minnesota Vikings in November were a hot mess. Atlanta, terrible, fired their head coach 37 to 9. Final. They played the Indianapolis Colts after Daniel Jones was out. Then they played Los Angeles again. They had to win in overtime, but they did eke out that victory. So credit to them there. Then they beat the Carolina Panthers.

[Scott Bogman]

Like that was a very weird game.

[Joey P]

Carolina Panthers, by the way, a team in the playoffs with a losing record in the NFC. And look, then they beat up the 49ers twice between the playoffs and the last week of the season, right? But they're built to play these teams. And my whole point is we could talk all we want about and Seattle seat defense is great. Jackson, Smith and Jigba is terrific. They have all the pieces. They are a really good football team. They deserve the one seed. They earn the one seed. They deserve. They have earned to go to the Super Bowl. But it's funny because the narrative we keep hearing is the Seattle defense, right? And you know what I heard last week? The Denver Broncos defense. And you know what I heard the week before that? The Houston Texans defense. And you know what I heard before that? The Los Angeles Chargers defense. The New England Patriots have given up 26 points in the playoffs. The Seattle Seahawks give up 27 last night. Don't tell me about all these other defenses and stop talking about the New England Patriots defense. Because when the Patriots defense is healthy, the secondary is really good and against the run they are really good. Bogs, you're a defensive guy. What is your take on the Patriots defense? Because I think that. And now that they're underdogs, they're going to keep playing this underdog narrative. This where the road warriors, they won nine road games. Nine, zero. That's a record of the NFL. No one has ever done that in the history of the NFL. What are your thoughts? Are you on the Patriots defense? Because I think this is a unit to use this, right? They're going to use this.

[Scott Bogman]

Let me talk Joe. This is the scheming in the playoffs has been out outstanding by New England. It really has been. They have been just in the mind of whoever they're playing for these last three games. It has been really an incredible run by this defense and I think it's spearheaded by Mellon Williams returning, right? Like absolutely returning and being comfortable. This is what won the Eagles the Super bowl last year was the strength of their defense, right? And Milton Williams was right in the middle of that and he makes everyone around him better. We saw Christian Barmore get to the quarterback. We've seen Klaviyon Chase on play like the first round pick. He was whatever eight years ago. He's finally living up to that. I'm worried about Bob's plane, you know, in his status for this game. That's obviously huge. But the secondary has been good as well. I know Christian Gonzalez has had a couple like grabby penalties and stuff like that, but Marcus Jones has been good and he's a good special team or you're not going to have that Xavier Smith screw up from the Patriots on special teams. But I think the, you know, the Seahawks on offense have been hammering away as well. I really think that is the matchup to watch in this super bowl in particular because I do think, you know, Drake May is going to make plays. I think Seattle defense is going to make plays. I think it's going to be who wins that side of the ball, The Patriots on defense and Sam Darnold and the Seahawks on offense. Who wins that game is going to tilt this one. If the Seahawks are able to move the ball, I think it's going to be the Seahawks pushing and outscoring the Patriots. But if Sam Donald is seeing ghost again and they're getting to him, I think this might be, you know, one of those boring New England Patriots old school Super Bowls where they, you know, it's 20 to 10 and everyone is like, oh, what a boring game and the Patriots just grind them into dirt.

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[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs. Oh, it's a wrap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now. Then Drake May up there.

[Scott Bogman]

Josh Allen up there still.

[Nav Green]

Oh, my boy. Matthew Stafford.

[Joey P]

Where did Bo Nicks at?

[Welsh]

He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking.

[Scott Bogman]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Joey P]

Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joey P]

Lines and Times with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success.

[Spencer Graves]

I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand.

[Joey P]

I need to be in.

[Spencer Graves]

And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most saddest, fine thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.

[Joey P]

I love it. Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's reminiscent to me, Welsh, of that first super bowl that Brady went to, where they were playing the greatest show on turf. And everyone's like, well, the Rams are in a different class than the Patriots, and they were, except defensively. And that defense was a very good defense and a very underrated defense. And they kept talking about how great the Rams were and everything the Rams could do, and they use that, and they're underdogs. I've seen some lines where, look Most of the line right now is four and a half here where they are underdogs. I've seen five and a half in a couple markets here, but to me this is exactly what Mike Vrabel wants them to be. He wants them to be underdogs. He wants them to be the Warriors. He wants them to be all this stuff. To me, this plays right into the hand of the Patriots in terms of motivation. And I, I like the Pats in this game and it's not because I'm a Patriots fan. I'm telling you, it is not. There's plenty of times I even I was on Denver yesterday in terms of not winning the game but covering and that was the right side of the game to be on because it was five and a half when it opened and I'm going to be on the Patriots side of this game right now. Where are you at with this defense of the Patriots and the underdog story they have now?

[Welsh]

Yeah, I think you guys are like saying a lot of stuff that just equates to this is going to be a boring game. This is going to be just like any offensive minded person's nightmare of a Super bowl where we're going to be like we're going to want to bet over and it's going to be just like 10 to 3 at halftime.

[Scott Bogman]

The Rams and Patriots Jared Goff 1.

[Welsh]

It's just going to not be exactly right. Like they're going to run the ball. They're going to have try to have slow pace. It's really, really good defenses. Like this is going to just be a slow paced game. But because of that I don't think like Sam Darnold's fine. Like I don't want to put him in the class of Jared Situm or C.J. stroud. Like those guys stink. Like those are stinky quarterbacks. But Sam Darnold is like in the next tier looking down like he's a fine good game manager who has one of the best wide receivers in the game in Jackson, Smith and Jigba. That will be the Patriots fol is to shut him down. They're going to have a ton of first half runs which is likely going to set up play action in the second half kind of just like they did here. And it's just going to be like a slow paced game. But because of all of that, I think this game is going to be close. So you know what? Wrong or right? I mean Erickson was dead on. His favorite bet was the Patriots winning, but the Broncos covering and it was such a kind of same. Funny enough. Yeah. And I'm with that here. I thought the Patriots were going to win. I thought they could cover in that last game. I think the Patriots at four and a half, some pots you're seeing five and a half. I'm going to take that because this feels like a field goal game because this doesn't feel like a game where either offense is going to take over at any singular point. So I'm not going to be surprised when this game comes down to a field goal. So at four and a half, I like the Patriots. I think the Patriots can win this game as well.

[Joey P]

EMF up Also in that game yesterday, Bog, something that stuck out to me is Darnold took some bad sacks and some big sacks in a couple of those moments of that game and they, you know, the Rams, again being the Rams, that secondary sometimes will just let you get back in the game. But you know, the, the Rams are also another team too where I, I want to give them credit because they have a great head coach and a great quarterback and a couple really talented players and weapons. But the Rams let teams hang around all year. This is what they did. This is why they lost to the Carolina Panthers in the regular season. That's why they almost lost to the Bears last week. I mean all these other things, I, I, I'm telling you right now, I think this narrative where Seattle is this unbeatable force and this heavy favorite I think is nonsense. What was your takeaway too? We did our takeaways, Bob. What were your takeaway from this week's of AFC and NFC championship games?

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, my takeaway is I hate the Steelers decision making and head coach. That's my takeaway.

[Joey P]

That's not a game. We can get to that. Later in the show we'll talk.

[Scott Bogman]

No, my, I'm glad to finally have some new faces at quarterback in the Super Bowl. That is my takeaway. Like, I'm glad that we saw Sam Darnold there and I'm glad he made it right. Like, honestly, this is a really good story. This is winner don't win the Super Bowl. Doesn't matter for Sam Darnold at this point. Like he has proven himself to everyone that doubted him and that's me included. Like, I didn't like JSN for fantasy this year because I thought, man, if Sam Donald doesn't make it to the end of the year because they did put that, like they put that little lever in his contract where he, you know, they could push him out after one year if it didn't work. If he's seeing ghost. And he was just like a product of Kevin o'.

[Joey P]

Connell.

[Scott Bogman]

Right. Which the Vikings showed us and Sam Darnold showed us that that was not the case. Right. He wasn't just a product of Kevin o'. Connell. He is a much improved quarterback from where he was with the Jets. So I think it's really cool for him. You know, I hate the fact that the Patriots fans get to see their team in the super bowl again, but I like the fact that Drake may got them there because he's a good quarterback. And this is what we need. We need, yes, better quarterback play in the NFL because we have. We don't have enough quarterbacks. There are, you know, the top 50 quarterbacks on earth are in the NFL and maybe 17 or 18 of them are really worthy of leading a franchise. And the other, the rest of them are kind of. They're either old or they're too inexperienced or they're just not good enough. There's not a lot of good quarterback play. So to get some fresh meat in there, I think is. Is a lot of fun for everybody watching the NFL.

[Welsh]

And this is a great point on the quarterbacks because Joe, we've gone 30 minutes. How much longer are you going to bury the lead? We've talked about all this super bowl nonsense. Yeah, that should door Shador Sanders made the Pro Bowl. Like how much longer are we going to not talk about.

[Joey P]

Well, clearly the big story. Our mutual. Speaking of great quarterbacks, Dan Strafford had the. My favorite social media post in the last 24 hours since the end of these games. Which is. He's a. He's a Jets fan, which is a Crossy Bears. But he said this is a nightmare super bowl for jets fans. He said you've got the Patriots and Sam Darnold. He said, I'll be rooting for the asteroid. And I thought that was a fantastic tweet. I thought that.

[Welsh]

Well, excellent. He used the wrong analogy. We were supposed to do for California is you're going to say you're going to be rooting for the earthquake. That's the thing that we have always used as someone that was born in.

[Scott Bogman]

The Bay Area, stupid ass conspiracy theory about the emf. Let's root for the emf.

[Joey P]

To shred everybody of conspiracy theories was the perfect segue here. In the beginning of the year, the NFL put out a little graphic about the road to the super bowl, right? And here it is. There's Barkley and Purdy and Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes and T.J. watt, and all these teams getting closer and closer, but the two guys that you can't even see until you actually.

[Welsh]

Can we. Can we enhance.

[Joey P]

Let's enhance this. The closest guys to the super bowl, to the stadium, happened to be Drake May and Sam Darnold, which has the conspiracy theorists going crazy. The tinfoil hat squad was out last night in force, which is hilarious.

[Scott Bogman]

So sick of these people.

[Joey P]

The funniest thing about it, Bogs, is they're so tiny and they're in the front because everybody thought this is probably the least possible scenario we're going to get just yesterday. Yeah, right. They just had to add they weren't in there. We got like a Drake May and. And Sam Donald in there, but hilarious. Guys.

[Welsh]

I mean, you guys. You guys know that. You know this isn't real because. Put that back up. Put that back up real quick because I want to. Want to see something. You know, this isn't a real conspiracy because why would they have put to a tongue of Iola in that graphic whatsoever? If there was any reality, any of it, this is not. This is a nothing.

[Joey P]

It's just funny that they are the closest to it, but they're also the tiniest, which is really what it's about. The teams that are furthest away, like, they're like, Cam Ward is back there. It's funny they put Baker Mayfield so far away, but maybe they knew who's.

[Welsh]

Number one right there next to Drake.

[Joey P]

I don't know. My eyes are. My eyes cannot.

[Welsh]

Is that.

[Joey P]

Oh, that's Cambodia. Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Oh, no, you're right. You're right. To the left.

[Joey P]

Oh, that's neighbors.

[Scott Bogman]

All the way to the right is Travis Hunter.

[Joey P]

There you go.

[Welsh]

They put rookies on. What a stupid graphic.

[Joey P]

Yeah, stupid graphic. Fun nonetheless. All right, so we did all of our takeaways. Moment of Sunday for me. It's the Drake May running for that first down, putting that game away in the snow. I mean, that was. It was so tense. I kept saying, eight minutes to the super bowl, seven minutes in the Super Bowl. I was literally every minute, like, five minutes to the Super Bowl. That's all. I kept counting down. And Drake May making that play at the end. And look, he had a great day, too. Running the football was all he could do. Patrick Surtan is just unbelievable. If you were to write a book about how to. How to cover, I mean, it's. It. He is so good. He's so fun to watch. And he was just he just. Anybody on him yesterday could not catch a football. Boggs, what was your big moment of championship Sunday?

[Scott Bogman]

Not kicking the field goal. That. That is, that's the moment, man. Like I, I just. It happens so many times to so many teams throughout the playoffs. You would think that with a backup quarterback even at home, you would learn specifically with the Blizzard coming on on the way and all that stuff like this game, that was, that was the difference in the entire game. And it's a bad decision. And I know our boy stink. Mangioni mentioned that Sean Payton will always be a risk taker and that's true, but I just think he got a little too cute with it there. And it cost you a chance at the super bowl because the Patriots only put up 10 points. They could still be playing in overtime right now. So.

[Joey P]

Yeah. Welsh, for you, what was your big moment of the weekend?

[Welsh]

Oh, we already did it. We already did mine. Mine was the fourth quarter with the Seahawks and Sam Darnold like his ability to continuously get those completions in critical spot. Like every piece in me thought like, okay, they're gonna not get one of these downs, they're gonna kick it and the Rams are gonna have a minute and a half, two minutes, you know, that they were gonna just run the ball, they're gonna get stopped and we're gonna have this classic great drive. And it was like, nope. They ended up just continuously converting those until There was what, 20 seconds left and they punted him down. Like I, I thought how Darnold manage the game and was able to manage like those completions and do the wild things, you know, Bobo touchdown, Cooper cup, third down connection like that. It really did prove as much as I hate the Seahawks, like you know, his ability to not just be some game manager type of quarterback, but just to be like a solid fit for that offense and he'll get it done.

[Joey P]

It was a nice moment there for Cooper cup also that definitely getting a touchdown. I mean he's not the same player he used to be, but he left it all out there. And I'm going to say this too. When you have those big emotional games, I think that's a very. That's an emotional game for Cooper Cup. It's emotional game for Sam Darnold. Emotional game. You're playing the, the, the Rams, your division rival. Sometimes I feel like there's a little bit of a letdown after that. And we've seen this sometimes with other teams in the past where they play this giant emotional championship game and it's a Little hard to, like, kind of reinflate the balloon and get up for the Super Bowl a little bit. And we've seen it happen many times throughout the history of the NFL. So that's another thing, too, that I think is on the Patriot side here. And everyone thinks I'm a homer, and that's fine. I don't care. I was right about the last three weeks. I'm going to be right about this one, too. And then everyone can cry and whine.

[Welsh]

About it after I have to spend four days with this guy all day long. And by the way, if you're out in New Orleans, you hit us up. I don't know if we're gonna do any meetup or whatever. I'm gonna be with Joe and Erickson for four days listening to this. In between the scenario, whatever. Unbelievable.

[Joey P]

It is what it is. All right, let's do a little factor fiction, if you've got one. You could drop it in the chat here if you're live. Let's start with, as promised, the Pittsburgh Steelers factor fiction. Pittsburgh native Mike McCarthy will win a playoff game as a Steeler head coach. Bogs, why don't you kick this one off?

[Scott Bogman]

Fiction.

[Welsh]

Playoff game fiction.

[Joey P]

Not one playoff game.

[Scott Bogman]

You have to make the playoffs. Who is the quarterback right now?

[Joey P]

Well, he's the best coach in that division, isn't he?

[Welsh]

9 and 8 gets you in the playoffs.

[Joey P]

Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, but it has not won you a game in the playoffs in a damn decade. So I don't want to hear any of that.

[Joey P]

The best coach in this division now.

[Scott Bogman]

Jesse Minner is the best coach in this division now.

[Welsh]

I text Bogman about it. I kind of thought he might be happy and it would not get.

[Joey P]

Because I knew he would not be. Hold on.

[Scott Bogman]

A crime has just happened here. What is your problem? How long have you known me? You thought I was going to be happy about this? Why?

[Joey P]

Give me one reason.

[Welsh]

I don't know that he'd won games before. He'll get Aaron Rodgers back.

[Scott Bogman]

Give me a damn break. Give me a break. You thought I'd be happy? You never thought I'd be happy. That's the most insulting thing you've ever said about me in my life.

[Joey P]

How would he get Aaron Rodgers back? Rogers hates him. They hate each other.

[Welsh]

No, I don't know.

[Joey P]

That marriage ended very.

[Welsh]

To me, that was like, this is how you're lying about this.

[Joey P]

You know, Rogers is retiring now.

[Scott Bogman]

This. This feels to me like, okay, well, now I know why Kenny Pickett was the first pick. And this was kind of my conspiracy theory about it. The whole time I thought, okay, well he's from Pittsburgh, ownership wants him. That's what it was. Okay, well the next chance you have to make a altering decision about this franchise, you picked a Pittsburgh again. Like maybe McCarthy will be okay, maybe he'll be better than I think. But I think that there were young minds just like, you know, out there, like Shula, like Shieldhouse. I just think it was short sighted to hire a 62 year old head coach. This feels like an Arthur Blank move, right? Like I want to win the super bowl before I croak, so let's get an experienced guy in here. And I think it was just a terrible, terrible move. I don't like it.

[Joey P]

This was great. This is, this was well worth the wait. I got to say, if you're watching.

[Welsh]

A playoff game, I think they want.

[Joey P]

A playoff game too. Yeah, totally us. Look at us, we're off.

[Scott Bogman]

Am I going to be alive?

[Joey P]

I don't know.

[Welsh]

I mean, I don't know. The state, that state of your anger. I don't know.

[Joey P]

I'm going to say no. After the state of the anger, I'm going to say fiction.

[Welsh]

I still have the worst quarterback in the division too. Remember Shador, Pro Bowler Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Will Howard, let's go.

[Joey P]

You know, it's funny, Bugs, the one time they didn't go after the Pittsburgh quarterback or the Pittsburgh guy, quote unquote, with Dan Marino, they had a shot there.

[Scott Bogman]

Could have Dan Marino and we're still living it down.

[Welsh]

I know you guys want Philip Rivers. You could finally have gotten Philip Rivers on your team.

[Scott Bogman]

Probably could have finally gotten Philip Rivers. Yes. Yeah.

[Joey P]

All right. Fact or fiction? Jesse Minter can get the Ravens over the Hump. Welsh.

[Welsh]

Oh, I'm not sure I would say over the hunt. John Harbaugh did a pretty good job of like, yeah, but they haven't gotten.

[Joey P]

To a Super bowl with Lamar. So.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I guess if you're saying as of. I mean, I love all the rumors by the way of like them trading Lamar. There's no chance. There's absolutely. The team clearly picked their side. Between the all the issues that look like Lamar and Harbaugh, that then people were shipping Lamar out. It was like, no guys like they picked which person they were going with and it's Lamar Jackson. He will be there forever. Yeah, I mean, I think the Ravens are. I mean Mike McCarthy kind of. Mike McCarthy might get the Ravens over the hump if we're being honest, it might not be mentor. So I'm going to say, sure, yeah, that'll be a fact.

[Scott Bogman]

Mentor did a great job and I thought. I thought it was going to take much longer of improving that Chargers defense. When Staley left, the defense was in miserable shape and he really did mold it well with the players he has. And I feel like he has better ingredients in Baltimore right now.

[Joey P]

All right, let's get to the next one here. Actually, let's take a couple from everybody else here. Better call Bob. Fact or fiction? Bill leaves North Carolina to become Bill Belichick. I believe we're talking about to become coach of Josh Allen. Hard fiction here. Nobody's touching Bill Belichick at his age. Not to mention all the. Whatever's going on with the girlfriend. Like, what is she going to be making the draft?

[Scott Bogman]

That's illegal. Buffalo.

[Welsh]

So when you want to know, it's funny. Bill Belichick with his girlfriend, Jordan whatever she is. Like, if you guys follow baseball, she is the toxic thing to Bill Belichick. As Franber Valdez can't get a job because he threw at his catcher. Like, there, there can be these singular things that hold back organizations from wanting to invest. I do not think it is a hyperbole to say that the Jordan girlfriend is maybe one of the absolute reason why no one wants any part of Bella.

[Joey P]

Is it worse than age?

[Welsh]

Because he also is showing.

[Joey P]

I think it's worse than the age.

[Welsh]

I think it's. I. I don't even think it's a question. It's worse than the age. I think not only is she just a problem, but it also like, creates this bigger scope of like, his decision making scene. I mean, you could argue at one point his decision making is pretty slick, but I think there's another element you could say, like, oh, his decision making is horrific right now and nobody wants a part of it.

[Joey P]

And bog's ear fiction on that too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Welsh]

Hard fiction.

[Joey P]

All right. Messer Grimm factor fiction. Bengals make the playoffs this year, unfortunately securing Zach Taylor for another five years as head coach.

[Scott Bogman]

Box that's Joe Burrow's decision, by the way. Joe Burrow likes Zach Taylor. That is why Zach Taylor still has a job. That's it. Right? And just like Lamar wanting Harbaugh out. And that's probably why Harbaugh doesn't have a job or isn't working for the Ravens anymore. You know, I think Zach Taylor staying with Cincy is all on Joe Burrow. So I think as long as Joe Burrow is in Cincy. Zach Taylor is in Cincy.

[Joey P]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

What's the question? Is it about the Bengals making the playoffs or Zach Taylor getting locked up for.

[Joey P]

Well, they go hands like.

[Scott Bogman]

I don't think the Bengals are smart to give anybody an extension, a long term extension after the lack of success that they have had. They went to the super bowl in Joe Burrows first year but they, they have been fairly miserable after that. So it'd be hard to give him a long term extension like that. Maybe two or three years. Maybe you'll get an extension, but not five.

[Joey P]

Yeah, he would have to win a playoff game to me to get any sort of extension.

[Scott Bogman]

He probably has to make, not the Super Bowl. They have to win the division and make a deep run going away.

[Joey P]

Yeah, make a deep run, you lose the AFC championship game. Okay, speaking of losing in the AFC championship game, Buffalo Bills, did they make a mistake firing Sean McDermott this season? Welsh Fact or fiction?

[Welsh]

I think.

[Joey P]

But the way there's so many coaching openings and not enough candidates and the fact that they did it later, like, you know what I mean, like they had to wait because he was still their coach. So unless they come up with they.

[Welsh]

Miss on the Harbaugh thing because they.

[Joey P]

Missed out Stefanski and now it's down to Kubiak. I mean maybe a Shula. Like I don't know which way they want to go, but it's fact or fiction. They made the right decision there.

[Welsh]

You know, I'm going to say that it's actually a fact still. I get what you're getting at and I think like hindsight and if knowing, you know, I mean I know the Tomlin thing is like he's not going to coach whatever but like it was like Tomlin and there was Harbaugh and there was all these greats that were kind of floating out there and then that passed them by. But I still think like Bachmann would kill for any of those young guy, Kubiak and Shula like you're talking about that are floating out there so that they can turn to that direction. I think you're still. Okay. So I'm going to say that it's a fact.

[Joey P]

Boggs.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, I think it's fine that they fired Sean McDermott. I think that he's a little bit too much of a hardo when it comes to stuff. He wasn't really willing to relent on a lot of things. And I think that it was about time. Like it just seemed like they were never going to because you end up in the Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin type circle if you don't make a change somewhere. And they weren't getting over the hump with Sean McDermott. So it was still shocking. I think you make it deep in the playoffs and then you fire your coach like this. Specifically with the weirdness coming with the press conference afterwards with Pegula. That was very strange. Right? So it feels dysfunctional, this firing, but I don't know if it was the wrong move. I don't think it was.

[Welsh]

You know what it is, by the way, I just want to point out, and maybe this is like am dating myself or I'm just missing others, but that to me, this is the Mariucci. I felt like when. If you know people are old enough. When Steve Mariucci got let go with the 49ers, he had made the playoffs and he had, like, led this team to like a lot of success. But, like, they were. They clearly. And I don't feel like that was happening maybe a lot or maybe at all in the NFL prior to that, where it was like, this is a winning every single year. Coach got them to the playoffs and the team was like, we gotta switch it up and we gotta get him out of here. And I feel like this is the. I call that the Mariucci, where it's like, oh, we got into the playoffs and then they're firing and then it's become a lot more prevalent. And that was like 20 something years ago. And I feel like it kind of started in that.

[Joey P]

All right, we got a couple more. Let's. Let's bang these out here real quick. Robert Sala is the right guy for the Tennessee Titans. Fact or fiction box 100%.

[Scott Bogman]

I love this hire. And they were. I think they were ready to go a different way. And then Salah came in and blew the doors off in the interview. And they were like, this is a guy for us. Obviously done dirty by the Jets. So, yeah, I mean, great hire by Tennessee, I feel like.

[Joey P]

I agree. I think it's fact. I think he's going to change the culture. He's a good football guy. He's a good guy. He's a good head coach. Things just unravel with the jets, and a lot of it I think is.

[Scott Bogman]

Him and weirdo Liam Cohen shaking hands twice a year. That's going to be great.

[Welsh]

Oh, dude. You literally took what I was going to say, like underrated in that whole thing is Salah got closer so he can have Cohen try to step up to him again. You don't want. You don't Want to get up and I got Salah. Thank you, dude. I also have Duvall just slightly want to point out how everybody was just like, oh, defensive mind, like 49ers defense was the biggest piece of trash the whole year and solid was at the forefront. Yeah, they were injured and stuff like that. But it's a great hire. It's a good culture hire. He needs to get a really good offensive mind aside beside him though, and you know, obviously get some healthy defensive pieces. But yeah, it's a great hire.

[Joey P]

All right. The Dolphins will be looking for new head coach again in two years after the latest hire. Welsh Factor. Fiction.

[Welsh]

Fact.

[Joey P]

I agree.

[Welsh]

Easy. Yep.

[Joey P]

I mean, I heard the first interview and I was just like, yep. And Bob, you brought up when we were talking about the fact he was at BC and he left as soon as the transfer portal. He got hard.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, that. That is, you know, it's just very strange. I just, you know, for your first head coaching gig in the NFL, to be in Miami, I feel like is a hard. It's a hard place to get those guys to concentrate.

[Welsh]

Bring Nick Saven back, please. That have been better.

[Joey P]

There you go. Last one here. The Patriots Road Warriors. Watch the movie warriors. Classic cult 70s film. Come out and play. Fact or fiction. I'm the only one of the three of us who has seen the warriors film. I'm going to say it's a fact because I know I have, but I don't think you guys have. You've seen the Warriors?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Joey P]

Really? I'm shocked by this.

[Welsh]

Warriors and then like, you know, into, like. Was it the Outsiders?

[Joey P]

Outsiders. Warriors is weird. Warriors is super trippy and weird. And. And you got the guys who dressed up in the baseball jerseys and the outfits there, like the full pants, like the full uniforms with the baseball bags and the weird face. Like, that is a weird ass. Like, you feel like you're on some kind of substance movie.

[Welsh]

There was a really good time, like in the late. Because wasn't that in the 70s? There's a really good time in the late 70s where there was just like a bunch of weird experience movies. Yeah. Everybody was just like super tripped out off of the 60s and we hadn't got quite into the weird 80s. Like, and there was just like a bunch of those that didn't make sense.

[Joey P]

I remember the PS Stink Banshee always talk about the. The PlayStation game. I do recall that too, by the way.

[Welsh]

Can we not move past that? You just cornballed the Outsiders. What are you talking Outsiders?

[Joey P]

Outsiders, whatever.

[Welsh]

You know what Seahawks by 20 now. You're ridiculous.

[Joey P]

Shout out to Scott Bogman, who also, by the way, won the touchdown calls here. He had Kyron and jsn. All I had was Puka. So six for him in the playoffs.

[Scott Bogman]

One the touchdown contest.

[Joey P]

I mean, you're just winning everything.

[Scott Bogman]

Fantasy football content league two years in a row.

[Welsh]

Why would you guys even put me on there? I wasn't even here for multiple.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, because you had only one less than Joe. That's why you're on there.

[Joey P]

All right, shout out to awesome Dev, who just resubbed with prime and dg also just subbing. We appreciate you again. Hang out here on our Twitch, Twitch tv Fantasy Pros, subscribe with prime, get rid of the commercials. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. And while you're at it, also check out some of the amazing offerings here, like our discord fantasy bros.com chat. It's free. It's fun. Oh, look at this. Unbelievable. We got NFL draft talk, we got Dynasty talk going on there. And now is a great time with the super bowl here at March Madness around the corner, BP Betting Pros Premium can be yours. Download the app, use the promo code fp. One month and you'll get a free month of the Premium Tools, the regular tools off the charts. Premium Tools broke the chart like the chart doesn't even exist. That's how great they are. Check it out. It'll make you better at wagering. And you're. Of course, this is the last opportunity here to bet on football for quite some time here. And gentlemen, I gotta tell you, I know, Boggs, you and I talked about this, too. I thought that the end of all this would be. You know, the one good thing about the football season coming to an end was I wouldn't have to watch the Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson commercials anymore. I was like, okay, these are done. No more stupid commercials with them at their sleepover and their guacamole on pancake nonsense. And I saw one this morning for the Olympics with the two of them, so I can't. I can't catch a break. Box.

[Welsh]

Why do you not like the Wedding Crasher guy?

[Joey P]

What?

[Welsh]

What's the problem?

[Joey P]

I hate the commercials.

[Welsh]

Like, I don't even know.

[Joey P]

It's like they're the most annoying commercials, these Xfinity commercials. Maybe you don't get them in Arizona. I don't know.

[Scott Bogman]

They've just bought up a bunch of the. The NFL space, these commercials. There have been a lot of Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn and Feedy pajamas doing whatever, you know, in these commercials, which is very weird. So. But look again. Nothing is ever going to be worse than the one year that Verizon bought, like every single.

[Joey P]

Yeah, was your comment too.

[Scott Bogman]

And I saw Ned Yost talking about falling out of a tree blind like 17 times that day.

[Welsh]

Hey Joe, maybe you and I could film another commercial that doesn't air for the NFL. Maybe.

[Joey P]

Maybe we'll keep an eye on that too. Great show, boys. Great to talk to you today again. Subscribe to the Channel subscribe to the feed. That'll do it for us, but the story of the game goes on. For the Welsh and Scott Bogman, I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids. This was out of bounds Warriors.

[Scott Bogman]

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