Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 10 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1817)

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Episode: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 10 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1817)

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Bogman & Welsh (Joe Pisapia on vacation)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a jam-packed, high-energy edition of "Out of Bounds" with hosts Bogman and Welsh holding down the fort while Joe Pisapia is away. They deliver rapid-fire reactions to Week 9 in fantasy football, break down key injuries (with special focus on Jaden Daniels), debate waiver priorities and trade targets for Week 10, and answer listener questions live. The episode features Fact or Fiction debates on hot fantasy topics, runs down league takeaways, and spotlights notable waiver wire pickups as leagues head into their stretch runs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jaden Daniels Injury Fallout [02:36-06:06]

• Context: The hosts open by discussing Washington’s Jaden Daniels’ gruesome arm injury.
• Long-term Value: Noted that Daniels only dislocated his (non-throwing) arm—no fractures or career-threatening concerns—but he’s done for 2025.
  • Welsh: “You’re not getting anything for him this year. I highly doubt he plays another snap.” [05:06]
• Fantasy Implications: Don’t bother trying to trade him in redraft; his value holds only for dynasty.
• Historical Context: Compared Daniels’ injury risk to RG3; express concern over running QBs and their long-term fantasy viability.
  • Welsh (on Fitz’s warning): “He runs around like a crash test dummy ... every time I see him run, I think about that.” [02:36]

2. Running Back Triage: Who to Cut/Keep? [06:06-07:32]

• Listener asks: Tracy, Vidal, Mason, Walker, Menangai—who’s the cut?
  • Welsh: “Vidal, if I have to cut one... they’re just not giving the ball to Vidal that much at all.” [06:53]
  • Mason, Walker, and Menangai seen as “untouchable for now.”

3. Pickens vs. Adams Debate [07:32-08:01]

• Welsh: “I’m going to say Adams, specifically with Puka being in or out right now. But they're both WR2/WR1 borderline players.”
  • Listener persisted with the question—became a running joke.

4. Brian Thomas Jr. Panic: Bench or Drop? [08:01-09:39]

• BTJ (Brian Thomas Jr.) under scrutiny for underperformance and injury.
  • Bogman: “What are you going to do now in redraft though? ... He’s a bench. ... You’re not dropping or trading him for anything. The only answer is bench him.” [09:39]

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Waiver Wire & Emerging Players

1. Colston Loveland Breakout [10:54-12:18]

• Loveland, TE, goes “ballistic” and is lauded as a waiver wire priority.
  • Welsh: “Now they got him involved here. I think this is opening up the bottle. ... He’s a weapon. ... I think it’s just going to skyrocket from here.” [11:12]
• Noted that Loveland’s emergence partly due to injuries elsewhere; usage could stay high.

2. Week 10 Waiver Targets [12:18-12:20]

• Parker Washington (WR), Loveland, and others mentioned as Week 10 pickups.

3. Jacoby Myers & Tony Pollard Trade Talk [12:20-12:58]

• Welsh: “Hopefully they both get traded. I just don’t know how many teams are willing to pay up for Jacoby Myers at this point.”
• Both seen as “lottery ticket” types, but odds are slim for big roles elsewhere.

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Survivor Pool & Strategy [13:02-14:37]

• Survivor picks for Week 10:
  • Welsh: “Buffalo is by far and away the best pick. My second favorite would probably be Denver over the Raiders and I hate Denver right now.” [14:33]
  • Bogman: “We’re in Week 10, brother... It’s strategy time to try to save [good teams].” [13:39]
• Other ideas: Seahawks (vs. Cardinals), Panthers (vs. Saints).

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Highlights, Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

1. Best Moments of the Week [17:48-19:07]

• Colston Loveland’s TD:
  • “Loveland breaking two horrific, some of the worst tackling attempts I’ve ever seen... to send the Bengals home crying. It was great for fantasy, great for America because the Bengals lost.” – Welsh [17:48]
• Chase Brown Interview:
  • Bogman: “He just starts cursing the rest of the way... it was a total child having a moment.” [18:16]
• Personal Parlay Win:
  • Bogman: Celebrates hitting a big parlay thanks to Kareem Hunt and Brock Bowers. Faces debate whether to “ride” or "cash out" another parlay hinging on CeeDee Lamb’s MNF performance.
    • “Like Nicholas Cage—ride!” [21:29]

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Key Fantasy Takeaways [22:14-27:58]

1. Raiders Offense Waking Up

• Bogman: “I think they’ve fixed the offense a little bit. Bowers being back opens everything up. And they finally committed to throwing to Genti (RB) out of the backfield.” [22:14]

2. Kyle Monangai RB Breakout Analysis

• Welsh provides in-depth stats: Most yards after contact among RBs, diversified zone/gap success, projected high volume moving forward due to Swift's injury.
  • “Monangai before contact was solid ... but he averaged the most yards after contact this week of any RB. ... These are things you can carry in and say wow, there are great underlying things.” [24:21]
• Forecasts a 60/40 split with Swift upon return, favoring Monangai. [27:19]

3. Upcoming Matchups

• Bears play the Giants—“Madden on Rookie” difficulty for Monangai owners. [27:24-27:58]

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Fact or Fiction Segment [30:03-42:43]

Bravo for lively engagement—listener questions dictate topics.

Sample Debates:

• BTJ is Droppable: Both hosts say fiction, unless it’s a shallow league. “That’s a Titanic pick. You picked him so early. You gotta go down with the ship.” – Welsh [32:53]
• Bowers is a League Winner if Healthy: Both hosts say Fact. [33:22]
• Rashee Rice Outscores Justin Jefferson Rest of Season: Hosts say fiction—but margin is razor thin.
• Pollard Getting Traded Unlocks League-winning Upside: “I hope that’s fiction.” – Welsh [35:42]
• Jacoby Myers as WR1/2 on Another Team?: Both say fiction—no landing spot makes him a clear top-15 WR.
• Monangai vs. Swift ROS Split: Both agree Monangai likely leads 60/40. [39:12]
• Trayvon Henderson vs. Woody Marks ROS: Slight lean toward Henderson.
• Prashard Smith Bust: “Fact.” (He’s not happening this season.) [41:46]
• Debo Reliability Post-Daniels: No longer a reliable WR2. “Fact.” [42:09]

Notable Listener Quote:

• Welsh (about the Pollard trade scenario): “Where is Pollard getting traded where he’s so much better?” [35:43]

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Listener Interaction, Community, and Discord [42:46-45:12]

• Encouragement to join FantasyPros Discord & Twitch for real-time Q&A.
• Emphasize community, contests, and additional premium features.

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"Three-One-One" Segment (Three bold picks for Week 10) [45:12-47:41]

• Bogman: Justin Herbert (QB), Kyle Monangai (RB), Drake London (WR)
• Welsh: Jared Goff (QB), James Cook (RB), Justin Jefferson (WR)
  • Confident in Goff facing Washington’s depleted defense.
• MNF Parlay Update: CeeDee Lamb’s performance could lock up both a prop win and “three-one-one” sweep for Bogman.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Time | |-----------------------------------|-------------| | Jaden Daniels injury | 02:36-06:06 | | RB room Q&A (Tracy, Vidal, etc.) | 06:06-07:32 | | Pickens vs Adams | 07:32-08:01 | | Brian Thomas Jr. fallout | 08:01-09:39 | | Colston Loveland waiver shoutout | 10:54-12:18 | | Survivor pool strategy | 13:02-14:37 | | Big moments of the week | 17:48-19:07 | | Fact or Fiction block | 30:03-42:43 | | Three-one-one segment | 45:12-47:41 |

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Notable Quotes (w/ Speaker & Timestamp)

• “He runs around like a crash test dummy ... every time I see him run, I think about that.”
  — Welsh on Daniels [02:36]

• “That’s a Titanic pick. You picked him so early. You gotta go down with the ship in my opinion.”
  — Welsh on Brian Thomas Jr. [32:53]

• “Loveland breaking two horrific, some of the worst tackling attempts I’ve ever seen ... to send the Bengals home crying. It was great for fantasy, great for America because the Bengals lost.”
  — Welsh [17:48]

• “Monangai before contact was solid ... but he averaged the most yards after contact this week of any running back.”
  — Welsh [24:21]

• “Ride. Ride. Yeah. Guess what? Like Nicholas Cage—ride!”
  — Bogman deciding to roll with his CD Lamb parlay [21:29]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, high-tempo, irreverent, full of running inside jokes and playful banter.
• Deep dives paired with offbeat asides and community engagement.
• Lively “kids take over” energy thanks to Joe’s vacation.

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Summary

This episode delivers classic Out of Bounds energy as Bogman and Welsh run down all the biggest storylines from Week 9: they dissect gruesome injuries (and their fallout), parse the tricky RB committees du jour, argue the thorniest start/sit conundrums, and provide actionable waiver and trade guidance as we approach the fantasy season’s stretch run. The hosts are bullish on Kyle Monangai as a breakout RB and Colston Loveland as a tight end pickup. Major themes include patience with struggling/injured stars (like Brian Thomas Jr.), prudent survivor pool aggression, and maintaining a spark of fun (from personal betting sweats to Discord shenanigans).

Fact or Fiction is extra robust with close calls on Rashee Rice vs. Justin Jefferson, Jacoby Myers’ value, and the ongoing soap opera in various NFL committee backfields. The episode is an essential listen for anyone trying to squeeze every edge out of their squad in Week 10 and beyond.

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For more Q&A and continuous insights, tune in to FantasyPros’ Twitch/Discord and catch the next Out of Bounds episode—where chaos, comedy, and top-shelf fantasy football advice converge.

Transcript

[Welsh]

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[Bogman]

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[Bogman]

Warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. What's up, friends? And welcome in to Fantasy Pros. This is out of Bounds and guess what? Dad's gone and the kids get to play. It's Vogman and the Welsh here for out of bounds right here on Fantasy Pros. No, Joe Pizzapia. He is on vacay. He's on a beach somewhere, probably drinking a Mai Tai. Whatever is his bag. And we are here for you where we're going to be hanging out for the next 45 hour or so and we're going to be doing all the normal fun stuff. So don't you get worried here. We are going to be doing some fact or fiction. We'll be asking for you guys to drop some fact or fiction, some 31 ones. We are going to be doing our biggest takeaways and moments of the week and you know, Joe likes to do the. The segment. Was it questions with asses or whatever. We got one big major topic. So I'm opening up for you guys to continue to drop questions, questions in the chat. We will highlight some stuff, we will get it up on the big board and we will be talking to you guys throughout this entire show. Oh, hello, Bogman. Hi, it's us. No, dad.

[Welsh]

Hello, Welsh. I'm having just a great weekend, my friend. Really great week. Yeah, Longhorns win, The Steelers win. When not a single person thought they were going to. Not bad. Not a bad weekend here. Love Escalator of sadness for the Bengals. It's, it's been, it's been a good one. We got like this one.

[Bogman]

We got a lot of stuff to talk about. Yeah, there's some escalators of sadness. There's a whole lot of stuff. So feel free. Drop your questions in the chat. If you're obviously listening on the podcast front, make sure you guys are joining us live on Twitch. We'll talk about the full Twitch schedule, but remember, 12:00pm Eastern. Bogman Joe, myself is no 2:00pm Eastern. I'm sorry, 2:00pm Eastern, we are here hanging with you guys live so you guys can hang up on the Twitch. Twitch TV fantasy pros. There's only one big major question to talk about and then we are going to let you guys decide. Did you watch Jaden Daniels arm do the things that arms are not supposed to do?

[Welsh]

I mean, I know you said you saw it and you don't typically like those things, but I'll tell you, when I saw the play live, I was working on a sheet, of course, what I always do, and I heard, you know, I wasn't really paying attention to the game. It was set up, but I heard the crowd go crazy and I popped my head up. I was looking at the ankle, the knee, something. I did not see it till it came back from commercial. And then they're like, well, we're not going to show it. I was like, I must have missed it because they were bringing his arm away and I went back and watched him. Oh, ooh, thank God it wasn't his throwing arm for his career. But I mean, you know, you have to feel for Washington fans at this point because they watched, you know, RG3 go through debilitating injury after injury to eventually ruin his career. And you know, Fitzy and I had talked about Jane Daniels last night and I text him and because he got rocked on one hit before this, I said, man, every time I see him run, I cannot help but think about, you know, Fitz made this comment that he runs around like a crash test dummy and he thought he was going to get hurt in his career at some point. And I said, man, I keep thinking about that and Fitz just sent me back lol. And then 5 minutes later this happened and I said, and there it is. He goes, that is unbelievably.

[Bogman]

Jackson Dart is kind of a crash test dummy. But I get what they're doing. Yeah, I had the same situation because I was watching and I thought it was like a hip drop tackle. I thought that was the. That ended up being the thing. So I was like, oh, this is going to be bad. And like an ankle or something. And then I kind of turned away as it got rolled over and I did not so. And I will not. But. But I did get like a glimpse of someone putting that out there. Absolutely brutal blow. Because obviously, great player, you don't want that to happen to anybody. Fantasy wise, it was kind of a meaningless point during the game where nothing mattered anymore. You just got him back. He's a top five fantasy guy. He also is like, not every quarterback is to this like, you know, Mac Jones is just making the normal guys of the Niners relevant. Jaden Daniels is very specific to some of those players. Zach Ertz doesn't exist without Daniels. So he's kind of done the receivers in general. I mean Deebo probably still will kind of be able to do his thing. Cause Mariota doing short passes is okay, but it's a brutal situation and one of our listeners had asked. I think this is a pretty easy question to answer if I can find it. Here it is. Can I get anything for Jane Daniels at this point? Need a running back? No. Not unless it's dynasty. 100% not. He's not coming back this year.

[Welsh]

Yeah, he's. I, I can't imagine. I. They did say no fractures, so just a dislocation which is insane with the way that twisted and fell on the ground and all of that. But. And I did see a, you know, I saw Deepak put out good outlook for the future for him which is more than I would have thought because it looked real nasty when it happened. So it shouldn't be a long term impacting injury. I kind of thought it was going to be after seeing it. But hopefully since it's his non throwing arm and everything, he can be back at the beginning of next year with no issues. But I, I think there are torn ligaments. Right Rigsby? But I, we. They haven't announced it yet and I think it's okay because it's in his non throwing arm as long as, you know, it's not permanently handicapping. So I, I think he'll be okay for the, the long term of his, you know, career. But I. You're not getting anything from this year. I highly doubt he plays another snap.

[Bogman]

Awesome. Dev, did, did. Dev, did you just wake up? He's like is this out of bounds? Yes, we are out of bounds. There's just no Joe. He's not here, Dev. 100%. We're answering some of your guys's questions and we'll get into all the stuff and thing. Let's see what's going on with our friends. Hey boys. What do I do with my running backs? I've got Tracy Vidal, Mason Walker, Eminem guy. Who should I keep? Who can I cut for other needs? I don't really see a cut in here. The need would be kind of the important thing to know. Vidal might get cuttable with Hampton looming. Tracy, he also looms around cuddle. But you can't do anything with Walker. Men on guy. They're untouchable. I'd probably say the same thing about Mason, especially for depth. So if you had to pick one, what's one running back you're going to cut for whatever need if you were.

[Welsh]

Fidel, if I have to cut one, it is him, you know, And I know Singletary had more snaps than Tracy last week, so if you wanted to dump Tracy over Vidal, I don't have a huge sway one way or the other between those two. But to me, if Hampton comes back, they're just not giving the ball to Vidal that much at all. So, you know, Jarrett Patterson looked better than him last week. I also wonder if that's, you know, something going on with the looks and the game plan and all that. They knew when Vidal was back there, he was getting the ball yesterday. So I think he would be the odd man out of that group. That's a good group. Don't. Don't really want to cut anybody from it. So.

[Bogman]

All right, so American Footballer asked this no less than 35 times in the chat, so just want to really make sure that you get it. Pickens or Adams.

[Welsh]

All right?

[Bogman]

And then we'll pull it up the other 32 more times that he asked the question.

[Welsh]

Well, hey, look, he got it answered.

[Bogman]

So, yeah, I guess it works.

[Welsh]

I'm going to say. I'm going to say Adams specifically with Puka being in or out right now. So it would be Adams for me. But they're both very good and they're both like, you know, wide receiver two, wide receiver one. Borderline players.

[Bogman]

We're reacting to all the week nine stuff. Answering your questions, get your factor fictions in. I've already been queuing up some of our factor fictions. We got some topics to hit. But this is a pretty, I think, popular question coming off of this week. You and I talked about it. I talked about it with everybody because what was my stance going into this week? Not on Brian Thomas, but it was more about Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter put on the ir Then, obviously the tide turned a little bit. Me and Tom Strachan did the Sunday show. I still laid out my hesitancy. Hesitant hesitancy, hesitancy. I don't know why I'm having trouble saying that, but he's having.

[Welsh]

I'm run.

[Bogman]

I'm having as much trouble saying that as he is as being a relevant wide receiver. And I told Tom, like, I still don't feel comfortable even without. And I said this on that show. I said, I think Parker Washington outperforms Brian Thomas. And guess what?

[Welsh]

That is what happened well, this was the game, right? This was the game where no Travis Hunter. You're coming off a bye week and this is what I was high on. Btj. I'm going to be bad in my wide receiver rankings this week because I had him pretty high as a like high end wide receiver too. I don't know that there's much you can do with him right now. He got hurt. I think next week should be a much bigger, more impactful week should he be able to play. But I just. This, this might just be a dead year for Brian Thomas Jr. And obviously his value is going to plummet. I'd be buying him up in Dynasty if I could right now when his value is crazy.

[Bogman]

What are you going to do now in redraft though? Because I think I thought it was you that said if he has another bad week, you're going to be done. And he had another hurt. Okay. But he also had a not good week.

[Welsh]

Yeah, but he didn't play like after the third quarter and the fourth quarter in overtime. So he had a couple of big catches in there before he got hurt. But Parker Washington was performing better than him. So right now he's a bench. You're not dropping him. You can't trade him for anything. So the only answer that we can have is Ben Shim. That's it. And he's probably going to be hurt anyway. So Irm, if you can, if they announced that he's going to miss this week. But you would think without Travis Hunter the game plan should be get the ball into the hands of our best player as many times as possible and that has not been happening.

[Bogman]

You would think you guys can hang out with us by making sure you grab some subs. You can do it with Amazon Prime. It's free, you can pick up subs, gets rid of ads, supports a channel, gives you extra abilities for like contests and stuff. And then also another way that you can interact is you guys can cheer some bits and that's what Rose Bandit did and it kind of gets a front of the line. On your question, I'm going to drop booty. Should I pick up Alec Pierce or Josh Downs for him rest of season Or I guess the option is Loveland for more tight end depth. That's interesting. You want to know what I did this week? I'm a. I would love for Jake Seeley to tweet this out. Jake loves to put out tweets about the flex leagues and the interesting things that happen. How about me?

[Welsh]

Did you tell him? Did you Send it.

[Bogman]

I probably should. How about me picking up Colston Loveland in the flex league where you don't have to start tight ends starting him and going ballistic because he went crazy. So if you were dropping Booty, Pierce Downs or Loveland, if Loveland is more depth, what's the play?

[Welsh]

I think the play is probably to keep Booty if he's healthy. But I would out of that group. I think it would have to be Loveland right now. Just I, you know, this is, this is a guy who's a first round pick, a high first round pick that they just haven't been able to get involved yet. Now they got him involved here. I think this is kind of, you know, opening up the bottle. I don't think you can put him back in. He's a weapon. I think, you know, it's fortunate for his usage that Cole Comet was not around the last couple weeks and I think it's just going to skyrocket from here. Now he is going to be an inconsistent performer for your fantasy lineup because there's so many guys there. Remember he did all this while Rome ate the donut. That ain't going to happen every week, Right. DJ Moore has had bad weeks as well. Luther Burton was a ghost. I feel like he was weak, if I'm remembering correctly. Well, there you go. So Zacchaeus had a big week, right? So Zacchaeus and Loveland had huge weeks. Roma dunes ate the donut. This is going to shift around this entire offense. But the same, you could say the same thing about the Colts. You had two Colts options on there, so. But I think Loveland in terms of talent is way above.

[Bogman]

Yeah, Loveland's going to be a huge.

[Welsh]

All three of those guys and he's.

[Bogman]

Going to be a big waiver piece this week. Someone was asking like what's the waiver stuff? I mean I think Parker Washington is going to be up there. I think Loveland. Those are guys that you should be looking at more ism with the cheered question, what's going to happen with Jacoby and Pollard started both as a lottery ticket. What is going to happen with two?

[Welsh]

Hopefully they both get traded. Yeah, hopefully they both get traded. What Myers has until tomorrow. I just. I don't know how many teams are willing to pay up for Jacoby Myers at this point or give anything for Jacoby Myers at this point. You would think that Pollard should have some suitors, right? But I just. He hasn't been good.

[Bogman]

Suitor number one, the second suitor.

[Welsh]

Would you like a chocolate Favorite.

[Bogman]

Yeah. That's a good night. All right, do want to know top three Survivor picks and why for this week? How crazy am I for thinking Bears to keep the Bills for later? No, we're in a Survivor pool and we're in double elimination. I already looked at this. I looked at this last night. The problem with Survivor is, like, the ones we might tell you, you might have already used. So I'm trying to go.

[Welsh]

It's. Yeah, it's Buffalo this week. The Bears over the Giants. Well, he didn't. Divyar didn't.

[Bogman]

Yeah, I'm not messing. I'm not saving. That's. You're in week 10, brother. Like this. You go with the best players, you got the best strategy time to try to save. Like, unless you've got a bunch of great options, you're talking about a Bears team versus the Bills. That ain't happening. We are likely in ours going. I think the Texan. Well, I was going to say the Texans. I forgot that if Stroud is back, I feel a lot better about that. They're going up against the Jags still. I'd say they're an okay option. What were the other ones? Seahawks and the Cardinals. I kind of like the Seahawks this week.

[Welsh]

Panthers over the Saints. Saints are pretty bad.

[Bogman]

You can but like, ones you feel amazing about.

[Welsh]

The only one I feel great about is Buffalo. Honestly, out of every matchup. Yeah, that. I feel really, really like that team has no chance to lose. It's Buffalo on the road. That's it. I think everybody else has a chance to lose. My second favorite would probably be Denver over the Raiders and I hate Denver right now.

[Bogman]

Crazy.

[Welsh]

So, yeah, I don't. I think Buffalo is by far and away the best pick.

[Bogman]

All right, shout out to Dev. Dev giving out subs because he's the man. Dev's the man. And Zikurstic for the sub. Shout out to you guys for the subs. We want to get. Continue giving you shout outs. It's easier when I can pronounce your name. But Jaco, stick with the sub. Awesome. Dev giving them out. You guys hanging out here, you can get those subs and get rid of all those stinky ads. Give you odd boosts for contests and it is perfect for our entire schedule. So let's take a look at the twitch schedule. If you're new here, out of bounds every 2pm Eastern. Me, Joe and Boggs. When Joe is here, we're hanging for you tomorrow on two on every Tuesday, 12pm Eastern. Bogman and I, we're answering just straight questions for an hour and then we'll drop some Madden while answering questions. We'll play the coming week action and stuff. Seth and Debro, Thursdays and Fridays at 1 and 2pm Eastern and then we got some Sunday action for you at noon. And it looks like that is the Sunday one back on Twitch at 7:30 Eastern because I see a note here and I feel like it wasn't. Is that correct, Bagman?

[Welsh]

The. The.

[Bogman]

Your Sunday what is that the Sunday show that you.

[Welsh]

Sunday?

[Bogman]

Yeah, okay.

[Welsh]

It's always been that question.

[Bogman]

Sorry, brother, just thought it was.

[Welsh]

Nothing has happened. I was not paying attention because I was thinking of Madden and I had to go get a bathing suit for my controller because it broke. The controller broke and I had to get a new thumb piece here, so.

[Bogman]

Hey, Bogdan, why don't you tell me what the screen says right there?

[Welsh]

It's on YouTube.

[Bogman]

Thank you. I asked you if it was on Twitch and you're like, yeah, brother, I.

[Welsh]

Thought you were asking me if it was still happening. And I said, what the hell are you talking about? Of course it's still happening.

[Bogman]

Of course it's still happening. But we change it around.

[Welsh]

Listen, listen, let me ask you something, all right? When Joe starts reading the ads, are you paying attention to what Joe is saying ever?

[Bogman]

Once doesn't have to read ads. I'm not paying attention, no. But I'm demanding some attention. No. Yeah, bro, seriously. That's the face I was told, by the way, yesterday on the live stream Sunday livestream, dude, I'm like set. I'm like, okay, everybody, let's go. And my computer did blue screen of death and I had to restart. Yeah, I had to restart to fix it. And I got back in a couple minutes, but I was told that the screenshot of my face was.

[Welsh]

Was better than bruh.

[Bogman]

I was told it was going to be saved for this show, but I've heard nothing about that. It's going to be here. No, the only reason I said it is the Sunday note is on my notes. And this is.

[Welsh]

Obviously we're on YouTube now.

[Bogman]

Okay? So we're on YouTube finishing with Twitch Sunday at noon Eastern. You guys can hang here and ask questions and then you can go over to YouTube at 7:30 Eastern for the full recap. So my notes were just incorrect. That is all. All right, let's get back to it. You guys don't care about that stuff. And let's talk about. We're going to do more of your moments and I'm kind of throwing it out to you guys as well for your factor fictions. Any factor fictions you want to put in. We are going to be doing the full segment of that. So I would highly suggest starting to put them in. And we will let our, we'll let our boy Seth pick some of the factor fictions that he really likes. But let's talk about some of the key moments and the takeaways. Let's start with moment. Actually, Bog, what was your big moment for the week? And I think the one you did is almost like the overarching big moment of the week, I think.

[Welsh]

Yeah. Colson Loveland breaking two horrific, some of the worst tackling attempts I've ever seen in my life to break an enormous touchdown and send the Bengals home crying. That was absolutely my favorite moment of the week. I mean, I couldn't pick any of the six turnovers. There were all so good for Pittsburgh against the Colts. But yeah, Loveland breaking that huge one. I mean, it was great for fantasy, great for America because the Bengals lost. I loved it. It was my favorite.

[Bogman]

It. I watched it live, as many did, and it was one of the most crazy moments I've seen in that, like you knew they were driving the ball. He catches the ball. It's the worst tackling of all time. And then followed up with the second worst tackling because he bounces and then he like bounces again. I'll tell you, I'm going to give you a side piece to that moment. One of the best moments was after the game, Chase Brown was interviewed by a bunch of reporters. Yes. And like he decided halfway through he was going to drop a little F bomb, but then, like, he didn't get in trouble for it and everyone kind of laughed. So you saw this moment where you, you, like, it's like a child learning that they could cuss because then all he does did was cuss the rest of the go look at the interview. He just starts cursing the rest of the way through and he's almost kind of smiling. Like, I can do this. Like it was a total child having a moment.

[Welsh]

No, I saw they also had Jamar. Chase wasn't doing it, you know, for the media, but he was like one effing stop when they're going in the locker room. We had one stop all day. Yeah. The, the defense in Cincinnati is not holding up their end of the bar.

[Bogman]

No. So because that was the biggest moment, we don't have Joe's moment. Joe didn't. Joe gave us nothing, by the way. He's just out on the beach. He just forgot about vacation.

[Welsh]

Vacation Joe does not care about out of bounds.

[Bogman]

Welsh and Bachmann always care regardless. Vacation Joe maybe not vacation.

[Welsh]

Not vacation. Vacation Joe does not like fact or fiction.

[Bogman]

Bogman and Welsh care more about you than Jordan Joe. Piece of. Just saying mine is going to be selfish. This is the moment I just. Because I sent this to Boggs, but Kareem Hunt, absolutely sealing the deal for me. I hit two big parlays this week. Not like insane like the. The barstool dudes. They hit this insane quarterback. Oh, it was this quarterback one that was like $10, 220 grand. Yeah, yeah.

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Bogman]

They combined bet for 501, 230 grand. But I had on the prop show Kareem Hunt as a solo touchdown, I paired him with two different props. One was a four touchdown parlay, which minutes before Kyron Williams got his third. And then the two touchdowns I did on betting pros, I had Kareem Hunt and Brock Bowers comboed. Sealed the deal. Two big ones. And the next moment, by the way, just going to put this out here is I need, I need the chat's decision here. I know it's not a betting show. If CD Lamb can get a hundred yards tonight. I asked Bogman this. If you can get 100 yards, let me tell you what the parlay is and then we'll move on here. Because I'm forgetting what it was because I sent it to Bogman. If CD Lamb can get. Oh, yeah, here it is. It's plus, plus 5700 CD Lamb, 100 yards. Do I buy it out and it's like, it's a. It's a nice little payday. Or do I continue and let it ride? A CD Lamb has to get 100 yards tonight. Do I ride it or do I cash out?

[Welsh]

I mean, I think they both go off, but like a twisted ankle, a hurt toe, a busted finger, like, there are so many ways to not get.

[Bogman]

This that I hope I see the chat. Here's the chat. Ride.

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Bogman]

Ride. Ride. Yeah. Guess what? Like Nicholas Cage.

[Welsh]

Well, see, you just say ride when it's not your money. That's what I'm saying.

[Bogman]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

I'm your friend. I'm saying to catch that every.

[Bogman]

So, yeah, you did say. You're like, I'm a coward. I would cash out. So everybody is going.

[Welsh]

But Listen, I have CD Lam as my 311 pick from last week to get 100 yards.

[Bogman]

That's the thing. All right? So at this moment, I'm writing it out. It's plus 5,700. All we need is CD for 100 yards because I had 300 yards passing.

[Welsh]

For Darnold, like so cash out like everyone's telling you.

[Bogman]

Yeah, I had 300 yards passing for Darnold and 100 yards rushing for McCaffrey. So this is a. It's a 3:1:1 bet, by the way. It's a 3 1:1 bet that I created and I would need CD lamp. All right, takeaways. Let's get your takeaway from week nine.

[Welsh]

I think that the Raiders may have fixed the offense a little bit. Obviously having Brock Bowers back opens up just everything right? So I think that that is obviously a massive piece. But we also saw them coming out of the bye week throw the ball to Ash and Genty out of the backfield. And that worked. He scored a touchdown. It kept him in this game. They should have lost multiple times to the Jaguars, but they pushed it to overtime. They went for two and just didn't get it. So, you know, they were right there on the doorstep. And the offense looked way better. And Geno didn't throw 8 million interceptions. So I think the offense might be fixed a little. Not all the way, obviously, but getting Brock Bowers back is so huge. And to commit to throwing the ball to Genti is what they've needed to do all year and they did it in this game.

[Bogman]

Yeah, we. We had a really lucky. I've told people about this. We do the pentathlon. It's a league that our friend Derek Van Riper started. Bogman and I share a team. Fitzy's in it. It's a bunch of industry people and we have to do five events and you do Super Flex. There's an. There was the Super Flex auction, best ball pick survivor and then dfs. I did the DFS this week and I put Geno and Bowers in and it did not look good to start and we crushed. We got first place in that. So that really worked out.

[Welsh]

It was.

[Bogman]

It was a solid week. But that's why I'm a little dicey on the picks here. But I appreciate we a lot of let's ride. So you guys feel free to keep rocking my takeaway this week. Take it for what it is. And. And whenever I do these, I don't know what my track record is. I don't know how many I've done. I did this with Quinn on Jutkins and I want to say I did this with one other but common on guy might just be him from this week. Obviously, like, you know, he blew out the yards and stuff. He had the most yards. But what I'm always going to look at is like what are the things under the hood that's going to help us in making this go forward? Well, something I was really impressed with. He had the most yards of any running back with carries. Because I want to note this, number one was technically Brian Robinson. Do whatever you want against the Giants. But of any significant running back with carries, Kamanaga was number one in yards after contact. So remember we talked about this with the Broncos where the Broncos were so interesting. Their offensive line has done well because it creates, you know, almost three yards per carry before contact. And then you have these backs like J.K. dobbin who's getting another three yards after contact. Well, Manangai before con before contact was solid. It was like two and a half or something like that. But he averaged the most yards after contact this week of any running back. He also one. He also had massive success in both zone and scheme running. So it wasn't in one spot. He didn't do this all off of just explosive plays. It was like a 8% explosive play and he had a 70% success rate. That is of yards that are going for positive amounts. All of those who did play this week, the. The team I just completely blanked on since. Yeah, no, no, I understand that Bengals are not good, but yeah, he didn't just like do these things and have like 89 yards. He rushed for the most yards in the NFL this week. He almost put up 200. He got volume. He found great success. I don't think he's gonna do this every week, but I think these are things that you can carry in and you can say, wow, there's some really great underlying things that means they have to have him go further. I think the Bears pull a Kyler Murray like Swift, you're still injured like you. You're not going to play next week. And I think kind of keeps running with it. And I think this could be similar to a Chuba Rico situation where Manangai just takes it. Either way he's going to get more volume. I think he looks phenomenal under the hood and I think you can feel very positive about common on guy moving forward after looking at what he did this week.

[Welsh]

I was your explanation I love is I was in a car accident one time and my grandmother, I remember, she's like, how's your neck? I'm like, I feel okay. She's like, maybe it Hurts Yeah. You know maybe it's not good that it made me. It made me think of you going DeAndre Swift maybe you're still hurt here maybe you're still hurt what I suggested on the show last night was probably I think more should go to Manangai I think he's a better runner than Swift I think what this game does is move this to a 6040 backfield in Manangai's favor He's the early down guy more often than Swift is and you want Swift running against those gas defenses because he's so fast which has worked out better for him when they've been splitting these carries anyway so I think this game and it was obvious he was going to get all the carries right so you know he was, he was the only guy left Swift out, Roshan Johnson out. They brought up retained Brown from the practice squad who's mainly a special teamer so he was going to get all the carries anyway it was against Cincinnati so those things are like okay well he has the volume he has one of the worst tackling defenses in the NFL so obviously he's going to have a good game I didn't know it was going to be this good it was excellent. Ran all over them they put up so many points I think this shifts the backfield to his favor 6040 guess who I think that's what it does.

[Bogman]

Guess who they play next week who they play Giants.

[Welsh]

The giants? Yeah 700 yards another good matchup.

[Bogman]

It's like Madden 700 yeah it's Madden on Rookie is what it is that's what we should do we should play on Tuesday we should do Bears and Giants and then I'll just be the Bears with common eye guy just going.

[Welsh]

You'Re only allowed to run.

[Bogman]

Yeah, you just run with Jackson dart.

[Welsh]

I'll be the Giants if you. You're only allowed to run the ball.

[Bogman]

And then you can only run the ball or throw to Wanda I can only.

[Welsh]

Yeah I, well I can run with dart all I want yeah you could.

[Bogman]

Run with Darth or throw to Wanda you get two moves I can only get the ball to Mananga I can pass to him or run to him.

[Welsh]

Well let me tell you something if I was the Giants anyway the only stuff I'd be doing is running with Jackson tart and throwing a wand so the game plan would not change that.

[Bogman]

That'S why I am the thing with Bears for so I forgot the Bears do play the Giant the Giants can be sneaky though so the run guy Common on guy. I like that a lot, actually. That's a really, really good one. All right. It is factor fiction time. So get your factor fiction in. I want you guys to. I know you guys have been doing them. We've been saving some up. If you got some new ones and you get Seth's attention, he will queue it up. But before we do, let's talk about giveaways. Oh, yes, my friends, we have partnered with Trophy Smack to bring you the ultimate symbol of fantasy football dominance. The ESPN Fantasy Football Championship ring. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. This heavyweight solid metal ring is built to turn heads and let your entire league know the champ is here. To enter, all you gotta do is comment on any of our Twitch streams this week at Twitch TV fantasypros. And as always, subscribers, Twitch subscribers are Gonna get a 1.5 odds boost at winning. Just as a thank you for support, we'll be announcing the winner on Tuesday, November 11th. I believe we are announcing a winner tomorrow or today, whenever you're listening to this on the Tuesday streams. I think we've kind of been relegated to announcing the winners. And I believe. Or did you guys do one last week? Did you do a winner last week?

[Welsh]

Box on the.

[Bogman]

Because I wasn't here Ring? Yeah. Or no. Anything. Did you do any winner giveaway last week?

[Welsh]

I definitely did, but I honestly don't remember which show it was on.

[Bogman]

Okay. Because I actually remember. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's the thing.

[Welsh]

Because I know awesome Dev won something.

[Bogman]

No, that's what it was. I. I knew awesome Dev won one and then I wasn't there for it, and I wanted to be there for awesome Dev. That was very exciting because I knew that was happening, but I missed the show. We'll be announcing this next Tuesday, so make sure you're hanging out with us. Come into the live streams and bam. Oh, my gosh. You already received the jersey. See, look at that.

[Welsh]

Look at that.

[Bogman]

Big wins for big winners here. And Dev is a sub, so he got the 15.

[Welsh]

Answer your whisper. Answer the whisper.

[Bogman]

All right, fact or fiction? You guys are dictating what the fact or fiction is, so keep them rolling. Fact or fiction, Reapers? Fact or fiction? BTJ is droppable between the targets and injury in week nine. Look, if you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zen nicotine pouches. First, Zyn is America's number one nicotine pouch brand, and Zyn offers an unbelievable rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zen. Visit zen.com find to find Zen at a store near you. Again, that's zen.com find zen spelled z y N. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

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[Welsh]

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[Bogman]

Work you do when no one else is around.

[Welsh]

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[Bogman]

Yeah, I kind of agree with that. Like you'd have to be playing like a 10 man league where there's really good options. He technically, if he is going to continue playing, he is like the one. Even though it's gonna work like a two. I just don't know what else he's.

[Welsh]

Gonna drop him for. Alec Pierce. Is that what we're doing? No drop downs? What if DJ Moore was out there? You dropping for DJ Moore?

[Bogman]

Probably not. Dj.

[Welsh]

That happened in a couple. Couple spots.

[Bogman]

Yeah. I don't know. Fact or fiction? Bowers is a league winner if healthy.

[Welsh]

Fact forever. Always.

[Bogman]

Big, big fact. We. We had somebody. I mean, I gotta, I gotta do the Hands up on two things on the Sunday stream. A hands up. We had somebody bring in a Tory a Horton question. And I could not be more dismissive of it because I know Pizza Pia was all about him. To be fair, it was like Horton versus not a who, but like a incredibly good player.

[Welsh]

All the who's in Whoville and we.

[Bogman]

No one.

[Welsh]

I would take Tory Horton over all of them.

[Bogman]

No one was picking Horton over this guy. But the other one, we had someone that was like, hey, you know, should I start these other tight ends before Bowers and me and Tom were like, no, don't even consider it and think about it. And yeah, he's a. He's a league winner. The only reason he wasn't, like, the number one overall bride. That's it.

[Welsh]

We're living in the timeline where Brock Bowers is the best tight end in the league by wide margin. That's the timeline we're in.

[Bogman]

Okay, so. All right, go see fact or fiction? Rasheed Rice outscores Justin Jefferson rest of season. We actually saw some. Would you trade Jefferson for Rashi Rice Trades this weekend?

[Welsh]

I mean, I think that could easily be fact. I think they'd probably be within 10 or 15 points of each other at this point.

[Bogman]

So that is your decision. Well, you got to be decided. You have to pick.

[Welsh]

Okay, I'll say fiction, then I'll take Justin Jefferson because I don't like Rashi Rice, but that's it.

[Bogman]

Why don't you like Rashid Rice? You don't like how he drives?

[Welsh]

Because I really don't like that.

[Bogman]

Well, I didn't know if you didn't like him on field or like his driving habits.

[Welsh]

No, no, it's off the field. On the field, he's amazing. He's great.

[Bogman]

Yeah, it kind of got shut down a little. Like, the. The Chiefs definitely can bring things down a little bit. I actually thought McCarthy looked good. I know this isn't on here, but I was very like, I'm not interested in JJ McCarthy with how he looked before he got injured. He played two good.

[Welsh]

Only like 14 of 25. Yeah, he didn't have a great game, but he looked back.

[Bogman]

No, that's what I'm saying. Like, he didn't look completely lost, completely overmatched. Like, he did six of his eight quarters or whatever, threw a really nice ball to Jefferson. I actually think that's kind of encouraging. So I would. I'm going to still say Jefferson, but, like, they're razor thin.

[Welsh]

Yeah, we're talking razor thin. So if, like, if you're doing a trade with the. With both those guys in it. Just consider that an even swap at this point.

[Bogman]

Factor fiction from Dev. You should be asking a Genti question. My RV strategy in one league depends on Pollard getting traded. That's not a fact.

[Welsh]

I hope that's fiction.

[Bogman]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know how to.

[Welsh]

Where is. Where is Pollard getting traded? Where he's so much better. Houston.

[Bogman]

Oh, I see how this is being phrased. This is being phrased. If he gets traded to be a one that's gonna like help the team. Right?

[Welsh]

I mean, Houston and. Yeah, I guess Houston and Kansas City. Where else can he go?

[Bogman]

Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of destinations. I just don't think Pollard. I don't think Pollard will improve anywhere he goes.

[Welsh]

You know, Jacksonville could really use a Tank Bigsby right now instead of running the same dude at the goal line.

[Bogman]

For all those wins that they're stacking up.

[Welsh]

They won yesterday.

[Bogman]

Back to fiction. Jacoby Myers had potential to be a high end wide receiver to low end one on another team. Oh, has potential on another team.

[Welsh]

Yeah. Yeah. Jacoby Myers I think is still a good wide receiver. So. Yes. But Gino is just. Geno needs to throw too sure things like JSN and Bowers. Not to a pretty good wide receiver like Jacoby Myers.

[Bogman]

I'm going to say this is fiction because what team could he go to right now that you and you can't. We can't hold on. You can't do the teams that stink. You can't do stinky teams that would never trade for him.

[Welsh]

I was going to say the Rams, if you put them in la, he would have been much better. He would have been third on the pecking order, but he would have been way better.

[Bogman]

But you cannot be a high end wide receiver. Two or low in one on that team. So that's why I say it's fiction. I don't think there's a scenario where he can be like a top 15 wide receiver anywhere right now or he'll get the target.

[Welsh]

I mean it would have to be injuries plus.

[Bogman]

Yeah, but those are make believe things right now. This, this moment.

[Welsh]

Is this not what we're doing? Are we not putting scenarios in if he was on a different team? That's all.

[Bogman]

No, no, no.

[Welsh]

Not no.

[Bogman]

That' I'm saying if. I thought you were saying like, well, if he goes to another team and there's other injuries and you're doing all this Maple Leaf stuff. If he goes to another Team right.

[Welsh]

Now it's all make believe, dude. He's not going anywhere else. So if he goes trading for him.

[Bogman]

If he goes to a team, what's the team that makes him like that without creating scenarios where another guy get the. How the team is this moment.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I probably. There is no. I still think he's a good wide receiver, but there's not a situation that he could realistically go to to become a wide receiver. One or two.

[Bogman]

I just did find one. Maybe the bucks. He gets the number two on the bucks. Maybe. I still don't. I still want to say it's. It's fiction, but that's like the closest I can come up with.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I mean he goes to Pittsburgh, it doesn't matter. They don't throw the ball enough. Right. He goes to Miami, it doesn't matter to a. Sucks, right?

[Bogman]

Yeah, they would never. They're two and seven.

[Welsh]

Yeah. Well, I'm just putting in spots that need wide receivers or have been looking for wide receivers. Right. There's just the Giants maybe. Yeah, that's. That's not a bad one. But I don't know if he becomes a wide receiver.

[Bogman]

One bills, he's just one of 70.

[Welsh]

All he is is Shakir 2.0 in Buffalo.

[Bogman]

Yeah, yeah. Browns.

[Welsh]

No one can get him the ball.

[Bogman]

And Cleveland. Yeah. Gabriel is your quarterback. Doesn't do anything with it. So that's the tough. Doug Gabriel. I was about to say Doug Gabriel. Yeah. Dylan Gabriel.

[Welsh]

Didn't Doug Gabriel play baseball?

[Bogman]

Yeah. I'm trying to think what was Doug Gabriel? I want to say Doug Gabriel was.

[Welsh]

Probably about 100,000 Doug Gabriels.

[Bogman]

I'm thinking of Drake. Doug Baldwin. Yeah. I was gonna say he's a wide receiver for the Seahawks. Let's play that. We'll play that name game where we just start naming players. Who is Doug Gabriel?

[Welsh]

Seth Wheeler, Isaiah Kaczynski.

[Bogman]

Can you find one? All right, fact or fiction? Let's find one. Manangai will 50, 50 split with Swift when he comes back.

[Welsh]

I say I think it's 60, 40 in Monoton guy's favor.

[Bogman]

Okay.

[Welsh]

Doug Gabriel E Swift back in. He doesn't need to be getting those between the tackle carries when Manangai is, you know, knocking over everybod to Mananga.

[Bogman]

Yeah. I say fiction. I was right. Doug Gabriel was a wide receiver, but it was for the Raiders. He was a 5th round pick in 2003, played at UCF. Did he only play for the Raiders too?

[Welsh]

Doug Gabriel?

[Bogman]

Yeah. So I.

[Welsh]

Are you looking at his like what Was his career. Oh, what was his career? Yards and receptions and stuff.

[Bogman]

I don't know. Fact or fiction? There's still a trade destination that makes Bree and RB1 rest of season.

[Welsh]

Fiction. Fiction.

[Bogman]

Yeah, I think it's hard for him to be in like again, where could he go that he could be the workhorse?

[Welsh]

Houston's the only spot and they're not run blocking well enough. He could probably still be a borderline like he is right now in Houston, but I don't know if it improves him so much. So.

[Bogman]

Gabriel was also a Patriot, Bengal and a bunch of other fake teams in the Canadian Football League argonauts. He had 101 receptions, 1500 yards and eight touchdowns in his career. That would be a great season, but that was his career. Doug Gabriel misspeak here.

[Welsh]

I mean, look, lived in the league for a long time, so that's great.

[Bogman]

Fact of fiction. Trayvon outscores Woody Marks rest of season.

[Welsh]

I'll say fact because I just. I think I have to. I think I bought committed to Trayvon Henderson at this point and singing his praises. So I'll say yes. I love that he got 52 snaps this week and way more touches. Just. Just didn't get home with them.

[Bogman]

So who was the other guy that they brought in? Jennings.

[Welsh]

Who?

[Bogman]

Troll Jennings.

[Welsh]

Terrell Jennings who scored. I had to pick him up.

[Bogman]

Terrell Jennings outscores Travion Henderson rest of season.

[Welsh]

Fiction. I don't know about that has to be fiction.

[Bogman]

Fact or fiction? Horton has done enough to warrant a look Rose rest of season. But they're not. It's just not going to be at the. If Cooper cup is out. Yes. It'll just be targets. Some targets. It's not going to be at the expense of Cooper cup fully.

[Welsh]

Do you. Do you think that, like if you're an NFL team right now, do you want Tory Horton or do you want Cooper cup in your starting lineup?

[Bogman]

Thank you. 1 Tory Horton right now. I mean, I think also from an NFL perspective, the guy can like special teams. He's kind of a burner. He's making a huge game. I think Tory Horton.

[Welsh]

No, I. I think. Yeah, I think Tory Horton is. Yeah, I think he's done enough to play over cup.

[Bogman]

Fact of fiction. Prashard Smith just isn't going to happen this season. You're just not that into them.

[Welsh]

Fact.

[Bogman]

Yeah, I think that's kind of a fact too.

[Welsh]

You can't do it when Pacheco's down. When are you gonna do it?

[Bogman]

You guys are dropping a Lot of like tonight based ones which I'm not going to do. But fact or fiction? Rice over cd rest of season. I'll still take cd.

[Welsh]

I'm gonna say fiction on that. I want CD Still.

[Bogman]

A couple more factor fiction. Debo's no longer a reliable wide receiver too, with Daniel's out.

[Welsh]

Fact. Fact.

[Bogman]

Yeah, it's the word. Reliable. He's somewhere between a wide receiver 2 and 3, but he is not reliable anymore. So that is actually if you switched.

[Welsh]

Him in Jacoby Myers teams, I think you'd want Jacoby Myers. So, yeah, I'm gonna say fiction.

[Bogman]

A lot of rice ones, a lot of crazy ones. This one we kind of just did. It's like back to fiction. Hendo runs away with the starting job. No, he does not run away with any job because he never gets the job. So that's fiction. Unfortunately.

[Welsh]

Yeah, he would start running away from it and then Mike Frable would say.

[Bogman]

No, we would take him out and let Ramandre finish that drive.

[Welsh]

Yeah, no, sorry. Here's Terrell Jennings.

[Bogman]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

For the touchdown. There you go.

[Bogman]

I said it on the show, too. I was like, everyone's like, it's Ramandre week. And I'm like, yeah, it is, but like Henderson week. Yeah, it's Henderson week. I'm sorry. But just wait till Jennings gets like a goal line carry and you guys all just absolutely lose your minds. Ridiculous here. All right, let's do some three one on here in just one second and then we might get to a couple more questions right at the end of the stream. So make them keep going. But before we do anything, we had quite a few people in the chat reminiscing about all the stuff we've done on Discord. Couple people gatekeeping too, being like, I wish I was back on the Discord. Well, guess what? We're on the Discord, baby. And we out of bounds used to be kind of like a Discord only show, but we've got other shows and you can join us by going to the Fantasy Pros Discord community [e-mail] chat, you can hang out with other amazing people who from the Discord are in here. Like Dev and Dredis. They're always hanging out in there. Be a part of that community, join exclusive AMAs and you can even get onto exclusive podcast feeds. We currently have got Worm and fits at 5pm Eastern on the first Tuesday of each month, which would be, I think, actually coming up tomorrow or today. Tomorrow, as we're recording this Bogs and fits at 5pm Eastern on the third Tuesday of every month. And then me and Erickson every Thursday at 2pm Eastern. For the extra point, come and get your questions answered. Be on the show. Produce the [e-mail] chat. Do it today, and you can join up the Discord for free. I think you just have to have, like, a free Fantasy Pros account. You can go into those shows, and then if you want to get premium, you can do it. Bam. Father man. Another Discord for the win. So there you go. Let's see. Wait. What does Dr. Say? I perceive personally prefer Twitch and Discord over YouTube. Don't let the YouTube overlord see this, but. Oh, lordy, there you go. All right. Three, one, one contest. Everybody got a little bit of something this week. Look how happy I am because I got Christian McCaffrey. I did not get Patrick Mahomes. I missed a Monroe St. Brown by three stupid yards. Joe, he got JSN. He stunk on the other sides, but we have something brewing. Bogman got Derek Henry. He has a chance to be the first, and I think first ever. If Dak can throw for a hundred or three hundred yards, and CD can go for a hundred, and if CD Gets the hunt, I'm rooting for you more than anything. Because if CD Gets a hundred and I let this ride, Cash rules everything around me.

[Welsh]

Are you gonna let it ride? Why don't we just get an answer right now? Well, so are you gonna let it ride?

[Bogman]

Cream, get the money. Dollar, dollar bills, y'.

[Welsh]

All. That's. I'm not giving you the answer right now, by the way.

[Bogman]

I think I'm gonna let it ride. The only thing I haven't done is I wanted to look some. Someone look this up for me, and I'll confirm it.

[Welsh]

What would your wife say? Let's do. Let's play that game.

[Bogman]

Oh, 100. She. She asked me the other day, I've had two weeks of really good wins. And she's like, why don't you bet more? And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, well, because if I lose, you're not going to be happy about that if I lose those. And then she's like. She's like, well, who cares?

[Welsh]

Mortgage, babe.

[Bogman]

Yeah. She's like, who cares? And I'm like, trust me, you'll care.

[Welsh]

You will.

[Bogman]

You will care if I go on a big old losing streak. So I need to see how many have the Cardinals cornerbacks given up over 100 yards to a wide receiver?

[Welsh]

Because I'm just forgetting, I'd say the number one corner there, Will Johnson is 24th in coverage grade and I don't know that he's given up 100 yard game yet. But CD Lamb consistently burns corners that haven't given up 100 yard games.

[Bogman]

Yeah. Is there any chance Pickens could get that coverage?

[Welsh]

Yeah, maybe. It's definitely possible. So I got Dak, I got CD Lamb tonight and that's the point.

[Bogman]

You could be the first ever that could do this. You could be the first ever.

[Welsh]

300, 100. Just know I'm getting a crown next week.

[Bogman]

And on that graphic. I'm sorry, what was it? Could you put it back up here? I was talking over the whole time of it. I have five, Joe's got eight if this is fully updated. Did you update yours? Okay, seven.

[Welsh]

They they did.

[Bogman]

Bogdman can take the lead with nine and do the first ever if you cash both on Monday Night Football. So very, very exciting stuff here. For mine for this week, I'm gonna go with for week 10, Justin Herbert going up. Herbert going up against your Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm one of the highest rates passing in the NFL. I think they're going to have a little bit more success on that front. Obviously we're down on Kamani Vidal a little bit. You guys are banged up. Justin Herbert, I love this one and I him jumping right in the waters. Kyle Menangai, I'm not going with no Jonathan Taylor, I'm not going with no Christian McCaffrey. Get James Cook, you got I am going with Kyle Manangai versus the Giants because they absolutely stink. If there's no Swift, it's going to be Almananga. I love that one. And Drake London is one of the most ridiculous receivers in the NFL. Christian Gonzalez is like one of the best. Drake London is just mossing him stepping over him catching every touchdown and he's going up against a cold secondary that kind of stinks. So Drake London common on guy Justin Herbert. That is my 311 for this week. What do you got Bugs?

[Welsh]

I feel more confident with this week than I did on my one that I might hit this week so probably because I was the first to get to the sheet here. But Jared Goff at Washington, I mean we just saw Sam Darnold carve up a Washington secondary. They look miserable. They lost Lattimore as well and I think we might get the give up on the commanders this week. Usually typically that's a college thing and not an NFL thing. I know indoor cat playing outdoors. All of that I don't care. Washington secondary looks ridiculously bad right now. We're going to go James Cook versus Miami. James Cook, one of the best runners in the NFL right now and Miami has been pathetic. We were talking about it on the Thursday show that they were 28th against the run didn't do themselves any favors facing Derrick Henry last week. So still a bad run. D against James Cook and Justin Jefferson versus Baltimore. We talked about how, you know, we think that this offense is better with McCarthy. This is your number one option. Pepper him with targets. That's what McCarthy should be doing. And I think it's going to get done against Baltimore and Baltimore should score some points. I like that game to be a bit of a shootout.

[Bogman]

We have. Okay. I like it. I think you're in a good spot. We have. Apparently some people in the chat are saying it and I'm looking for it. Is there a Cowboys trade? Because Callie just said, are we seeing anything about this trade? I don't know if he's referring.

[Welsh]

I saw Jalen Phillips got traded. That was the last trade I think I saw.

[Bogman]

When was that?

[Welsh]

That was this morning where they traded for Jalen Phillips from the Dolphins. Okay, maybe here it is. Hold on.

[Bogman]

CD Lamb to what team?

[Welsh]

No, no, no. I see is Cowboys moves. They place Sanborn on injury reserve. Activated Cooper Beebe, Simon Leak, Davis.

[Bogman]

Yeah. So here's what everyone's referring to Cowboys. Jerry Jones on SiriusXM just said Dallas has made a trade and could possibly make a couple more before tomorrow's deadline. So I wonder if. I wonder if he's referring to the trade that you just saw or this is another one that's looming. So just know the Cowboys look like they're going to be some movers and shakers.

[Welsh]

I'm not seeing it on Schefter. Let me see if.

[Bogman]

Yeah, it's on like NFL trade rumors. It's. But the trade isn't not being announced. There's nothing out there. But there is a trade that is looming out there. That is the thing. By the way, going back to my note, you are right. PFF grade. This is rough. Will Johnson ranks 24th of 1 16. Max Melton is 60 of 116 and their safeties. Jalen Thompson is 29th of 86 in safety. So it's not.

[Welsh]

Bud is good as well. Like, yeah, this is the secondary has been good for the Cardinals this year. But I don't think it matters because Dak has carved up everybody. We talked about this last week.

[Bogman]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

I said, look, if. If they had been winning games and their defense wasn't so horrible. We'd be talking about Dak as an MVP candidate. He's having that good a year, just nobody notices it because the defense is giving up so many points.

[Bogman]

So here is a Note though. Panthers. Three teams against the Cardinals in seven weeks have had a wide receiver go for over 100. Tet a Roa McMillan did it. He had 6 for 100, Ricky Pierasol 8 for 117 and Calvin Ridley 5 for 131.

[Welsh]

What was this in the 1800s when those guys were playing?

[Bogman]

This is all this.

[Welsh]

When was the last time Calvin Ridley and Ricky Pearsall played?

[Bogman]

That's what I'm looking at. This is. This is this year. Here's the common denominator, though. And this is interesting. Well, I GUESS it's not 100%. All three of those wide receivers, 10 or more targets. So 10 or more targets.

[Welsh]

So the question is Lamb's getting 10 targets.

[Bogman]

Do I let it ride?

[Welsh]

Effort.

[Bogman]

Let it ride. We're letting it ride, baby. 57 hunt plus 5700. We're letting it ride, baby. So you need Dak Press. Are you going to Dak to throw the ball? We need CD for 100. I'm cash and money. Bogman is going to be cashing the 31 1. It'll be a beautiful thing and that.

[Welsh]

We'Re gonna be sweaty for Monday night.

[Bogman]

Football and we got some sweats. We got some absolute sweat. So you guys can come and hang out on the. On the discord and all the shows and make sure you're sweating with us and make sure to come and join us on Tuesday where Bogman are gonna be answering questions and you'll know how happy happy we are going to be leaving here. Last question. Worthy or Debo? Rest of season. I saw someone. I think it was a fact or fiction. I might have missed where they said fact of fiction. Xavier Worthy a cut. So who would you rather have rest of season, Worthy or Debo? And then I guess you could throw Josh down. I don't think Josh Downs jumps into this. But which one of those guys would you rather have?

[Welsh]

I. I guess Debo has a better chance to be a one. So it would be Debo, but not by a ton. They're both not good options right now. They keep throwing the ball to stupid Marquis Brown. Yeah, I like. I. I just. I don't get it. It Worthy had. If he had not got hurt week one, if Travis Kelsey not clipped him, I think he would be much bigger in this offense. I think it would have been a bigger impact those first couple weeks and I think Mahomes wouldn't want him to move when Rice came back. But he did get hurt. So we're not living in that timeline.

[Bogman]

We talked about some betting in this one. We're talking about the 311 in here. I put together. I literally. I haven't done it all season. I put together a 3, 311 prop bet that's we're playing for you guys can also track all your bets and more and you can get one month of BP Premium special offer Unlock a month of Betting Pros Premium for free. Download the Betting Pros app today and use promo code FP1 month access to same gay parlay tool Prop Bet Analyzer and the Price Picks Prop Bet cheat sheet. Don't miss out. Try it for free for one month. It's on iOS and Android. You can follow your favorite people. You can see our bets. You can. They've got the cool calendar view. You can see what bets we're on. There's a bunch of really cool tools that have suggested bets. I can't tell you enough how amazing it is. And you can get full access for one month with FP1 month. Use that code. Follow along. You can tell my crazy parlays. I don't like to say a bunch of them either because like I have I'm bets on the shows which you guys get on bp but then I have some stuff where I'm like, you know, messing around and I'm messing around's.

[Welsh]

Been pretty good in the mess around. Yeah.

[Bogman]

All right. Well there you go. That's it. Hopefully Joe's enjoying the beach, having some Mai Tai's or whatever you do in November in Florida. I'm assuming that's where he is.

[Welsh]

He's in Turkey. We all know it.

[Bogman]

Yeah, he's. He's doing something crazy. Something nefarious. The Bogman and Welsh, we are always here for you. We love you guys. Hopefully you hang out with us and all the shows. Make sure you're on the Twitch Twitch TV fantasypros get subbed. Don't miss any of the action. Shout out to Cali and Seth behind the scenes and all of you guys for out of bounds, it's Bogman Welsh. We're out for now. Peace.

[Welsh]

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