Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 12 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1850)

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Episode Title: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 12 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1850)

Release Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia), Scott Bogman, The Welsh

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Overview

This episode of FantasyPros' Out of Bounds dives deep into Week 11 oddities, major fantasy football takeaways, rest-of-season trade and waiver wire advice, injury impacts, and a spirited round of “Fact or Fiction” to help you gear up for pivotal Week 12 decisions. With signature banter and blunt honesty, Joey P., Bogman, and the Welsh break down surprising player performances, suspensions, injury fallout, and which squads are on track for the playoffs—or headed for heartbreak.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Week 11 Recap: The Carnage and the Outliers

• Fantasy Chaos: Scores were all over the place—“either you scored 150 or 50 points” (00:33).
  • Odd streaming heroes like Michael Wilson and Teao McMillan exploded, while reliable stars like Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert disappointed.
• Bogman’s Survival: Bogman notes getting “dropped in guillotine,” being crushed by byes/injuries: “It was all or nothing. You were either part of the injury brigade of Sunday Bloody Sunday or skated through” (02:04).
• Welsh’s Shockers:
  • Sam Darnold’s “next level bad” performance after steady play: “He was horrifically bad...four picks and a fumble” (04:48).
  • Vegas and betting failures: “Me and Erickson got smashed across the board on bets” (03:58).

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2. Jamar Chase Spitting Controversy (05:06–07:19)

• Question: Will Jamar Chase get suspended for spitting on Jalen Ramsey?
  • Joey: “They set the precedent with Carter in week one…you go look at the tape though, he definitely spits in his direction. That seems like enough.” (05:06)
  • Welsh: Initially skeptical, but after watching: “Good lord…there is no doubt” (06:39)
  • Bogman: “Why are all these dudes spitting on each other? This is disgusting...throw some fists!” (06:49)
  • Consensus: Suspension expected; behavior is condemned.

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3. Quarterback Conundrums & Streamer Talk (07:27–09:37)

• Bryce Young QB1 Rest of Season?
  • Fiction.
  • Only performed as a QB1 against Atlanta and sporadically: “He’s not good. Maybe he’s a streamer, but not ‘the guy’” (08:43 – Welsh).
  • Team likely to give experiment another year, but could bring in competition.

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4. Waiver Wire & Running Back Roundup (09:37–12:14)

• Chris Rodriguez (Commanders):
  • Joey: “I think it’s pretty clear he is the one you want for fantasy…Bill is droppable, especially because of the bye this week” (09:37).
  • Welsh: “You don’t want any part of that backfield…just a gross mess” (10:02).
  • Bogman: “C Rod over everybody, but McNichols is getting third downs. It’s gross” (10:30).
  • Rodriguez over Gainwell? Marginally, only for volume.
• General Advice: All options are “gross,” touchdown-dependent, but can be emergency fill-ins during byes/injuries.

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5. Atlanta Falcons in Trouble (12:14–14:13)

• QB Woes & Drake London’s Outlook:
  • “Not great. Darnell Mooney as next man up is a massive downgrade. Cousins hasn’t shown anything” (12:59, Bogman).
  • Expect B. Robinson (Bijan) to see more passing work, offense overall downgraded.
  • London’s injury (PCL): 2–6 week absence likely; if ATL is out of contention, could be shut down longer.
  • Advice: Sell London for immediate production (like Christian Watson or T.McMillan) if you’re on the playoff bubble. “You gotta play for now. We’re approaching Week 12” (16:40, Joey).

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6. Quarterback Carousel: Browns and Jets (18:18–21:12)

• Browns QB Update:
  • Jacoby Brissette praised for high-volume completion record; seen as a possible bridge/starter in Arizona if Kyler Murray is dealt (21:21, Welsh).
  • Welsh: “He’s the piece in Arizona. Kyler’s done; Brissette as bridge, they draft a rookie” (21:28).
• Jets QB Situation:
  • Tyrod Taylor vs. Shador Sanders: Both unappealing, Taylor preferred for experience; Shador’s upside tied to athleticism, remains a “miserable” option so far.

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7. Playoff Picture Predictions (23:07–25:49)

• AFC Trap Door:
  • Bogman: “Chargers [are] too beat up to make it; Jacksonville’s the easy pick, but Herbert and o-line are too banged up” (23:07).
• NFC Fallers:
  • Welsh: “The Bears at 7–3 could get knocked out; defense is really bad, division’s tight, Lions lurking” (24:08).
  • Joey: “Don’t count out the Lions…calls coming from inside the house” (25:21).

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8. Week 11 Takeaways—Team & Player Trends (26:51–32:54)

• Chiefs Most Beatable in Years:
  • Welsh: “Patrick Mahomes is at near the tippy top in turnover-worthy throws—most short, second most deep. He’s been wildly inconsistent. The most beatable Chiefs team I’ve seen” (26:51).
  • Chiefs might squeak into playoffs, but “options are less trustworthy than ever.”
• Vikings Offense Downgraded:
  • Bogman: “All weapons in Minnesota need a downgrade with McCarthy’s growing pains…Jefferson is end WR1, Addison is a borderline start, everything’s coming down” (31:11).
  • Welsh: “J.J. McCarthy is not good, maybe he will be, but he’s not now” (32:04).

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9. Memorable Moments & Standouts of the Week

- Jamar Chase Spit-Gate (35:39)

• Bogman: “Disgusting. Would’ve been a real fight if it was me…Bengal’s gonna Bengal. Jamar Chase is officially a Bengal now” (35:42)
• Welsh: “That was a loogie” (36:00)

- Michael Wilson’s Breakout (36:19)

• Welsh: “Talked about it on the live stream. He’s a decent route runner and Brissette grew instantly comfortable with him—15 catches for 185!” (36:19)

- Big Boy Plays: Darnell Washington Truck-sticking Defenders (37:22)

• Joey: “He makes grown men look like little children. Fun to watch!” (37:22)

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10. Fact or Fiction: Rest of Season Rapid Fire Q&A (38:31–47:59)

- Will Stevenson hurt Travion Henderson's value?

• Welsh: “Yes, it’ll be a split—expect 10–12 carries for Stevenson” (39:08).
• Joey: “Fiction. Travion too explosive, the genie’s out” (39:30).
• Bogman: “If it’s a split, yes, he’ll screw it up” (40:17).

- Chiefs Miss Playoffs?

• All: Fiction—They’ll sneak in, but likely quick exit (40:36–41:08).

- Chase not top-10 WR ROS?

• All: Fiction. “Joe Flacco or Joe Burrow, doesn’t matter, he gets the volume” (41:28–41:56, Welsh).

- Jordan Love Hidden MVP?

• All: Fiction. “Not that good” (42:46).

- Herbert & QJ Cooked?

• Welsh: “Herbert’s not cooked, QJ is…Gadsden, Allen are the targets. O-line health is everything” (46:26).

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11. 311 Challenge—Bold Performance Picks for Week 12 (43:21)

• Joey:
  • 300+ passer: Jared Goff (vs Giants)
  • 100+ rusher: Derrick Henry (vs Jets)
  • 100+ receiver: Amon-Ra St. Brown (vs Giants)
• Welsh:
  • 300+ passer: Drake May (vs Bengals)
  • 100+ rusher: Saquon Barkley (vs Cowboys)
  • 100+ receiver: Teao McMillan (vs 49ers)
• Bogman:
  • 300+ passer: Matthew Stafford (vs Tampa Bay)
  • 100+ rusher: Jameer Gibbs (vs Giants)
  • 100+ receiver: JSN (vs Tennessee)

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Notable Quotes

• Joey P.: “You gotta play for now. We’re approaching week 12.” – on trading injured stars if you’re on the playoff bubble (16:40)
• The Welsh: “This is the most beatable Chiefs team in I don’t even know how long…Fantasy options are becoming less trustworthy than we’ve ever seen.” (26:51)
• Scott Bogman: “All the weapons in Minnesota need a downgrade with J.J. McCarthy going through the growing pains here. Jefferson is still a WR1 but probably close to the bottom end.” (31:11)
• Welsh (on McCarthy): "Is it a safe space to say that J.J. McCarthy is not good?... He doesn't look good, doesn't mean he can't be good" (32:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Week 11 insanity & personal fantasy stories – 00:33–05:06
• Jamar Chase spitting incident – 05:06–07:19
• Bryce Young QB1 debate – 07:27–09:37
• Chris Rodriguez / Commanders backfield – 09:37–12:14
• Atlanta Falcons woes / London injury – 12:14–16:40
• Brissette, Jets, and QB carousel – 18:18–22:33
• Playoff picture “Who’s out?” – 23:07–25:49
• Chiefs analysis: Most beatable in years – 26:51–28:47
• Minnesota offense needs downgrade – 31:11–32:54
• Memorable moments: Spit, Michael Wilson, big boy runs – 35:39–37:51
• Fact or Fiction rapid fire – 38:31–47:59
• “311” challenge: Bold picks for Week 12 – 43:21–44:59

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Tone & Style

• Blunt, playful, and irreverent; recurring self-deprecation and inside jokes
• Mix of sharp, actionable advice and lighthearted ribbing
• Not afraid to call out tired fantasy narratives or “gross” waiver options
• Directly call out poor player antics and league trends

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For Listeners: Top Takeaways

• Don’t trust fluke performances—stream wisely and stay nimble as injuries mount.
• Consider moving on from injured stars, especially with teams out of contention.
• Key backfields (Commanders, Falcons) are landmines—seek clarity and volume wherever possible.
• Major playoff shakeups are likely both in AFC and NFC—stash players on rising offenses, not tanking teams.
• The Chiefs and Vikings are now offenses to approach with caution, especially for fantasy playoffs.
• Monitor suspensions (esp. Jamar Chase) and make proactive trades before news spreads.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P. Joe Peas up here with my two best friends, the Scott Bogman and the Welsh. And it's all of you hanging out on our Twitch. Twitch tv Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be. Subscribe today. Use your little Amazon prime account. Five bucks. Get rid of the stupid commercials. You could also watch us on Demand on our YouTube channel. Drop your comments below there. And of course we got giveaways going on as well. What are we giving away this week? Let's throw this bad boy up there. Oh, check it out. The fantasy football dumpster fire loser belt. I like this one. I've never seen this one. This is totally new. And remember, when you are a subscriber here on Twitch, you get a one and a half times odds boost. So if you're watching on YouTube, go to the Twitch subscribe and you could win the teeny tiny loser belt. That is adorable there. Fits right around your finger. So for the loser in your league or the loser in your life, thank you very much. Trophy smack. We appreciate you. All right, boys. It was a crazy week of football. It feels like all of our teams either scored 150 points or 50 points. When you look at all the standings and you look at what's going on there, it was a strange week of streamers going off. The Michael Wilson's of the world, the Tuckers of the world, like all these guys are scoring massive amounts of points and guys like Lamar Jackson who couldn't get out of their own way, and Justin Herbert. It was nuts out there in those fantasy streets. Scott Bogman, how did your teams survive week 11?

[D]

First of all, Joe, what kind of coffee are you drinking right now? Because I'm not a coffee guy.

[C]

I don't drink any coffee.

[D]

Okay, you need to bottle up whatever this is to me.

[C]

No, I, I think I had coffee like, okay, the occasional espresso martini. I guess that counts because you know, me and Eric's enroll that way. But I have not had anything but tea, basically. I don't know, since probably before the summertime. So I don't want to accuse you.

[D]

Of anything, but you got a lot of energy this morning. Maybe I'm just tired, but I think it's you. I'm happy the Steelers won. I. You know, I'm not happy that players are getting spit on out here. Don't like that. We'll get to that a little later. But, yeah, my fantasy teams, I got dropped in guillotine this week. JT was carrying me, and the bye week crushed me in a bunch of leagues, so. Lost a lot in a bunch of leagues. One big in some. I think you're right. I think it was, you know, it was all or nothing. I feel like this week for fantasy was either you were part of the injury brigade brigade of Sunday Bloody Sunday. I can't even speak here, so maybe it is me of Sunday Bloody Sunday here. You were either part of that, or nobody got hurt and your team put up a decent amount of points. So that's what it was like in all my leagues as well.

[E]

Joey turned into Porky Pig. He's like.

[D]

That'S it for me.

[C]

Welsh, it was a very strange week. Of all the things that, you know, were odd in week 11, and there was a lot of odd to choose from, which was the one that kind of just like, rung your bell the weirdest, and the one that kind of hit you was like, wow, I can't believe that happened. I can't believe, you know, never saw that coming. Like, I took a bunch of Michael Wilson questions. I was like, yeah, well, I guess as a streamer, it's okay. I didn't expect him to have 185 receiving yards.

[E]

Yeah, well, I. I was told you took a lot of Teoa McMillan questions as well on the live stream. That didn't work as well either. Well, there's a lot of weird.

[C]

Let's set it up. Well, Welsh, let's set it up. Let's see, the Falcons gave up the least amount of receiving yards of any team, and Bryce Young was coming to town for the second time. And Bryce Young put up a 450 spot. I mean, how. How. Of course he did. Of course he did.

[E]

Yeah, I. There was just a bunch of weird. This is a bad week. We always do those, like, you know, when's the Vegas get right type of stuff that's going on. I mean, me and Erickson got smashed across the board on bets on the betting pro side. You know, the one that hit Home. How you kind of referenced it is a little bit different where you like shock shock because this one, like on paper you kind of get it. But Sam Darnold was horrifically bad. Like next level bad. He had been carrying this team. They had been, you know, this is a position, it was a big game of the week where you're not gonna be able to run the ball. You're gonna pass the ball. Sam Darnold had just been dropping dimes. Jackson Smith and Jigba is just consistently the 100 yard monster. They got Rashid Shahid. You think they're gonna go and take the top off. He was insane. Four picks. He had a fumble that I think ended up not being a fumble at the end.

[D]

Like don't let Ernest Jones hear you saying this stuff.

[E]

Yeah, well, I'm just saying like I, I was backing him, I've been backing Sam Darnold. I thought the two touchdowns is going to be a lock. Definitely don't let Ernest Jones do that. But the Sam Darnold one. Of all the crazy stuff, I was like, how are we this bad? Like it was next level.

[C]

A lot of next level stuff. A lot of big breaking news, A lot of injuries too. But we want to get to your questions. Remember we got factor fiction at the end of the show. So drop all your factor fictions. We'll do that our final segment. So again, ask us questions here. Let's start here with Glass's question. Is Chase getting suspended now? Jamar Chase got into it with Jalen Ramsey in case you missed it. And I would think it's a gotta be a lock that he gets suspended. They set the precedent with Carter in week one. I don't know how you don't follow it. It's clear when you go look back at the tape though that he definitely spits in his general direction. And that seems like enough. Now, Welsh, I know you didn't quite see the replay of that, but.

[E]

I saw the replay, but I didn't watch like the, the follow up replays. I saw like seven different cuts are like, did you spit? It just didn't look like it. But I didn't get the Zapruder film where it was zoomed in.

[D]

You can find it on Twitter.

[E]

200. No, no, I'm saying like the initial ones were just shots and it just didn't look like anything happened. And then, you know, you get the big quick ones and that's fine. That's, it's, it's. I agree they've set the precedent. I hadn't Seen it before. Ramsey with all the k. I. I think. I think there's a suspension in tow for sure.

[D]

I think he should be. I. I think that, like you guys said, the precedent has been set. And he. Damien Harris was talking about it yesterday. He's like, why is this gonna lie in front of God and everybody? Like, we can see the video. You spit right on his chest. We saw it, like, and he just said, I didn't spit on nobody or whatever. He said, like, you clearly did. I mean, and Ramsey said, hey, look, he spit on me. And I don't. I don't care about football at that point. It's up, so.

[E]

Oh, man. I watched. I just watched the video. Good lord. That. There is. There is no doubt. Why are. Why are all these dudes spitting on each other? This is great.

[D]

That's what this is. This is Damien Harris's whole thing. Yesterday. He said, why are you gonna lie in front of everybody? And when did this become a thing? This is disgusting. I agree. This is just. Throw some fists.

[E]

Just shove the dude. Yeah, shove him.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Punching each other more.

[C]

Disrespectful. Respectful. That's why.

[D]

I guess.

[C]

I don't know.

[E]

That's a gross spit, too, by the way.

[C]

Like, if you were to break it down, clip up for you. I want you to be clear about the suspension before you comment on it. It's pretty cool.

[E]

It wasn't just like a little baby spit. There was just, like, dribble and stuff. Like, that's. I would be pissed.

[C]

Was there a second spin? I don't think so.

[D]

I don't know. Yeah, water guy for Jamar Chase there.

[E]

The grassy 20 yard line.

[C]

That's what it was. All right, let's go to DJ's question here. What's up, guys? Fact or fiction? Bryce young is a QB1 rest of season. All right, well, actually, I. I pulled up this one accidentally here. It's a fact or fiction, but we'll answer it anyway. Here. Bryce Young being a. A QB 1 rest of season only if he plays Atlanta every single week. That's.

[D]

I think he has one other QB one week against Atlanta. Was it also against Atlanta?

[C]

Almost positive it was. I'll double check.

[D]

I don't know if it was against Atlanta, but it's only one other one, and he's been under QB2, like two, QB25 or lower like five times. So, no, I can't. I can't get on board with Bryce Young being great the rest of the year.

[C]

I think we're gonna get on board Maybe with him being the guy next year there, like, I think they're ready to move on from him potentially. Welsh, I don't know what you think, but every time we think, okay, they're ready to move on from Bryce Young and like start looking elsewhere, he drops a game like this and everybody just has pause. So he had a QB8 finish, Bogs in week two, he was QB12 in week six and QB2 yesterday. Those were the best finishes he had. The other game against Atlanta, I apologize. He was not as good. But they did beat.

[D]

They ran. They ran all over him in that game.

[C]

Yeah, they did, they did. They didn't even have to pass all.

[D]

Over him in this game. Crazy.

[C]

But I mean, I, I mean I, I'm not believing in Bryce Young just because of yesterday. Welsh, are you?

[E]

No, not at all. Like, what? I don't even know what we're talking about. Great. He had an awesome day. Like, it's still not a good. He's not good. Like maybe he's going to play and match up there. I'm just. Yeah, bro. I'm surprised that they moved away and they were able to pass. Was it 46 times? That's, that's him as a QB one. No, he just, he has a couple of those games. They unleashed him like 40 something times in the passing game. Leggette has stepped up a little bit. Coker's not really being involved. Like, they've got more offense. But to be like he's a no doubt number one. No, I don't, I don't think so. He's just moving into like that streaming realm. And then I would just comment that I don't think they're like ready to move on at all. I just think they're open to the possibilities. Like they could bring in competition. I don't think they're going to bring in any veteran next year. They did that with like Dalton here. If anything, maybe they find like a second or third round quarterback for competition. I think they're going to do this experiment again.

[C]

All right, let's go to Money Station's question. What's up, fellas? Happy Monday. What do you guys think about Chris Rodriguez rest of season? Well, they're on a buy this week, so I think you could sneak him through the waiver wire and it's pretty clear that he is the one you want for fantasy. I think just from a workload standpoint. But Bill's still around. I think Bill is droppable, especially because of the buy this week. Especially if you've had injuries. Welsh, what are your thoughts on that commander's backfield, which you saw on the Sunday morning?

[E]

I think it's pretty clear you don't want any part of that backfield. That's what I've been saying for a month. Yeah. Every time it's like, oh, bill cross, top 20. Like, nope. Like, you just. Sometimes you have to make the commitment. Like, yeah, there's going to be a guy that's going to, like, jump up, but why try to take the risk? I know what you're saying, like, oh, Rodriguez has got, like the goal line potential, but I want zero part of it, especially with Mariota under there. So. No, absolutely not.

[C]

All right, Boggs, any thoughts on this commander's backfield? Will you take Chris Rodriguez?

[D]

Yeah, it's Se Rod over everybody else there. But it's a big gross mess. McNichols is getting third downs and they're mixing early downs between Se Rod and Bill. It's gross.

[E]

So let me ask you this. Who would you rather, Chris Rodriguez or Kenny Gainwell?

[C]

I think Chris Rodriguez because circumstantial, you.

[D]

Know, because they said this morning Jalen Warren could have gone back in if this was like a playoff game. They just didn't. So I.

[E]

But they also use Gainwell in these spots. They use him in the.

[D]

But, but look at. Look at the previous week, though. Welsh, Gainwell was in on a million plays and had two touches. So they use him. But it's mainly when Warren is hurt. So I. I would rather have C Rod, but it's not by a wide margin, even in that.

[E]

So circumstantial evidence is not being accepted.

[C]

Well, no, it's circumstantial because I think if you have Warren, it's imperative to have Gainwell at this point, because when Warren's out does. Well, Gainwell does make. He does become that guy who makes that immediate jump. Whereas if I'm just talking about, like, building fancy rosters, like, Chris Rodriguez is still startable every week, whereas Gable, he's a top.

[E]

You think he's a top 36 running back?

[C]

I think with this. This coming bye week where we have four more teams on a buy, I think he's a start. Oh, and. Well, they're one of them this week, but they're one of them next big bye week.

[D]

Right.

[C]

That he is a starter or if you have more injuries.

[D]

I mean, look, he's going to have 15 carries and he's most likely to score a touchdown out of that group. That's what makes him Viable, not that he's very viable. And he's probably not going to have that touchdown most weeks. So a lot of it is going to be 15 rushes for 60 to 70 yards and no catches because Bill and McNichols are getting all that stuff. So he's a gross option, but he's an option that is touchdown dependent and might score.

[C]

Also a lot of breaking news as of Monday too. Michael Penix out for the year. So look, the Falcons are toast. It's done. It's over. Yeah. So. So now you get Kirk Cousins in there. So we also have an injured Drake London. We're still waiting on a little bit more clarity as of recording this. Where we're at with him.

[E]

I think they said he's not playing this week. Like that's already out. It's just further. So yuck.

[C]

Yeah. But I, I feel like I had a similar injury with Ricky Pearsall that he wasn't playing this week and I didn't see him again till November and that is problematic for me. So Bogman again, the downgrade of London with the injury and what we've seen out of Kirk Cousins or haven't seen. What are your thoughts on where the Atlanta Falcons offense is from a fantasy perspective now?

[D]

Yeah, not great. Right. Because Darnell Mooney is your next man up, which is a massive downgrade. He hasn't been doing much of anything this year. I think they might use Bijan more as like a slot option and run Tyler Algier a little bit more. We saw them doing that until this game when they were down most of the game here. So it's just not good overall. I mean, Kirk Cousins, I love Kirk Cousins, but he has not shown us anything this year. One really bad game. One okay game. So I mean, it's just not in a good spot. I think, you know, you get what you get from Pitts. He's still a tight end. He should see more volume and Bijan should see more volume. But this is not a good situation. Obviously taking out your starting quarterback in your best wide out.

[C]

This is fascinating question. Awesome Dev, asking Christian Watson be a feasible replacement for London rest of season.

[D]

No.

[C]

Okay, you say no. I'm going to say absolutely not. I'm going to say this. If you're a team on the bubble right now and they're telling you that Drake London is going to miss a week and then eventually comes back and it's Kirk Cousins again. One week turns into three weeks very quickly with these PCL injuries. We've seen it this Year already? Wasn't that what Brock Bowers had as well? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[D]

Correct.

[C]

Wasn't a PCL issue.

[D]

Yeah, I think so. Pcl? How many? Six weeks. It's two to six weeks.

[C]

Okay. If you're a bubble team in the playoffs right now, like you're, you can compete like. But you don't have Drake London now. And you want to make that swap to a team that is already in first place or second place and take Christian Watson. I would do that. Deal. Sorry, that's my, that's my stance on it. You can also.

[E]

You're saying you would. Wait, hold on. I, I just checked in on this conversation. You are saying Drake London.

[C]

No, no. Every day from 2 to 3. Ish.

[E]

Yeah, I got it. Joe Joseph. But I didn't, I didn't know if I quite understood what you were getting at. You would trade Drake London today for Christian Watson?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Because he thinks they're shutting down London, I think.

[C]

Right. Because in, in three weeks, four weeks from now, they've lost more games and they're completely irrelevant. There's no guarantee Drake London comes back to play a B. He's healthy enough in time to make an impact on C also. Or I feel like that kid from Home Alone where he's like D and then Buzz. Yeah. What are you doing in my room? Yeah, look, and then the third thing is if you're a playoff teamish bubble team, right, like, you're right on that bubble. You need productivity. You've just lost Drake London for a couple weeks. You. You can't afford to wait three weeks for him to come back because you're going to miss the playoffs. I make that deal.

[D]

I understand what you're saying. I just, I have to wait to see what they're going to say about London beyond this week before I move him specifically. And Porky Pig again. Good Lord. I need some sugar. I switched to Coke Zero. I think the sugar is killing me. I have the caffeine but not the sugar. I think what's going on here is we see this great game for Christian Watson, right? Two touchdowns though his stat line looked exactly like the previous two weeks. Three weeks that he played where he was. Wide receiver, 30. Wide receiver 48. Wide receiver 46. In PPR or in half PPR. Excuse me. So he's posting like borderline wide receiver. Four, three numbers and then he scores twice. He is touchdown dependent like most players are. But I just don't, I don't think this role for him is going to be Scoring a touchdown every single week. It's what you want from him every single week.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

It's. It's what makes him a good swing play. Right. But not. You can't trade your wide receiver one without knowing for sure he is going to miss multiple weeks. And I just don't know that yet. And I'm not willing to downgrade to Watson.

[C]

I guess I get. I guess my point is I. Watson's healthy right now and making plays and I know he's not a high volume guy.

[D]

You're doing, you're, you're getting it. You're getting out before the big announcement of the injury. I understand what you're doing.

[C]

Well, I'm getting out because I feel like I've learned the hard way this year. Year. As someone who has Brock Bowers in a couple league that, you know, oh, he's a week or two and this injury is not a week or two injury. It's a four to six week injury. And now the difference of the calculation is it's the end of the season and Atlanta is irrelevant. And at this point, the same reason why I'm telling people, drop Garrett Wilson if you have one IR spot and you want to put somebody else on it because he ain't coming back and being relevant and he comes back theoretically week 15 maybe. And then maybe that's the ramp up week if you're lucky. What I'm saying is you got to play for now. We're approaching week 12. I think that's my take. Go ahead, Wash. You got some on your mind.

[E]

Oh, and no, just like to your credit, the Falcons are three and seven. There's nothing to play for. They just lost their quarterback so there's no like need to press this. I guess it's just like there's still a possibility this side of two weeks. Yeah. And they're saying this is like, would you take Pitman?

[D]

That's more reasonable.

[E]

I think you're in a more reasonable range. I think it's the guy that you chose was like everybody on the planet before wanted to trade Teo. Like that would have been one.

[C]

I would.

[D]

One of those guys. Yeah, I still kind of am.

[C]

All right, fair. Oh, Teo McMillan's another guy too. If you could pull that off, I think you would consider.

[E]

But yeah, well, I, I mean you.

[D]

Trade him for a lot more now.

[E]

Yeah, well.

[C]

Yeah, well, you know, Price young ain't.

[D]

Throwing for 450 again. So I mean if you can get.

[E]

Teto and McMillan for London right now because the news hasn't circulated into this big thing. I smash that under the circumstances of everything you said, it's just Christian Watt, like Romeo Dobbs was just bobble hands like he was dropping every single pass. Christian Watson made a couple really great plays in that one. Like love. I don't think love is that great. I don't think Watson is consistent. So it's just the name that you pick.

[C]

No, no, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. All right, let's talk about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation, the jets situation. It looks like Gabriel is going to probably miss this week with the concussion. So we're getting Shador Sanders and then Tyrod Taylor is going to be back under center for the jets. So. So we're getting that announcement from Aaron Glenn. So Fields is out Welsh, who would you rather start this coming week, Shador Sanders or Tyrod Taylor?

[E]

Let me look at them. I mean, neither. I'd rather empty. Have an empty quarterback position. My. I'm going to tell you, my gut says Tyrod Taylor, but I want to look at the matchup. Doors got the. Yeah. I mean Tyrod's got the Ravens defense. I mean, to be fair, the. The Raiders are going up against a Brown for Shador, but sure didn't look good. Like he. He was just like, hey, there's another guy with a different jersey and throwing it to him. Like, I don't think he's ready for any of this. At least Taylor's a vet. I. I don't like either one of these, but it would be Taylor for sure. I was sure not gonna be the bottom quarterback ranked this coming.

[C]

I don't know. I think I would play a Shador with a full week of practice with the ones because now there's nothing standing in his way. I would. I'd play Shador Judy.

[D]

Cleveland.

[C]

Joe, who are the and who are the. Jerry Judy. Tell me the jets wide receiver that's as good as Jerry Judy.

[D]

Bryce Bree hall is better than everybody in Cleveland. So. Yeah, I don't even know his stupid name and he's better than everybody. So look, John Mechi didn't look bad. I just. I've seen. I've seen Tyrod Taylor play quarterback before in the NFL. We saw a quarter and a half of Shador and it was miserable. So I don't care if he's practicing all week with the one.

[C]

If they were talking about that. More catches and a few less drops in that last drive. So we say that like that guy made a great play in the end zone.

[D]

I like Shador. I like Shador more than I like Dylan Gabriel. Because Shador has rushing upside. He didn't have to at Colorado, but his father is one of the best athletes to ever live. His brother played safety. Right. He's an athletic dude. He can run. So I would rather have Shador than Dylan Gabriel, but I've seen Tyrod have success in the NFL. I would a million times go with Tyrod. Even with this disgusting wide receiver core. Sure, Jerry Judy would be the best wide receiver on the jets by like maybe this much. Not much at all. He's not very good.

[C]

All right, one more question. Has Jacoby Brissette played himself into a starting role next year somewhere? Because I'm old enough to remember a couple years ago when he was at the Browns where, remember they had a winning record for a few weeks and then. And they should never have gotten rid of him. They were playing defense, running the football. Jacoby Brissette was, you know, just handling, keeping, keeping things like just chill. Everybody loved him. They talked about what a great guy he has, the locker room with a leader, all that stuff. Now I know he was terrible as the Patriots quarterback last year, but the Patriots last year with disaster under Gerard Mayo. So like, I can't even blame him so much. But I mean, setting an NFL record of completions in a game, 47, I believe it was, right? Is that what it was? That's nuts. Boggs, like, don't you think, like he's at least getting a shot in a weak quarterback class where some other organization is gonna be like, you know, let's bring in Jacoby Brissette and surround him with some talent and maybe he'll be okay.

[D]

He's the final piece of somewhere. Like if he went to Minnesota and was starting right now where McCarthy was, that would be. That would be excellent, right?

[C]

Interesting.

[E]

I'll do you guys one better quick. He's the piece in Arizona. Kyler Murray's gone.

[D]

Maybe I think you're right.

[E]

You guys are talking about other teams. They've been talking about a month out here and bring him back. I think they've been talking about him, Kyler Murray and the Jacoby Brissette situation for the last month. I think Kyler Murray is getting traded. He's done. They bring back Brissette and that gives them an opportunity to go and draft a quarterback and develop them under. Unless someone's going to give Brissette a multi year contract, which they're not. It'll be at best a two year with some type of option I think the Cardinals do that. Kyler Murray, they ship out for more picks and they draft a young quarterback to develop under Kyler's done. Jacoby Brissette. Don't pretend all the pieces he would be good with in other teams. It's Arizona.

[D]

Yeah. But I think they need another piece.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Like you have the coach. I don't know what Marvin is. I know Trey McBride is awesome. Give him another wide receiver there. So he has like three really good options. Like if he would have gone to the Colts, right where we see Daniel Jones having a lot of success this year, I think that would have been a good situation. But if you put him in Pittsburgh, where you only have dk, you put him in New York, where there's nobody, in Cleveland where there's nobody, he's not going to be good. He has to be elevated by the players around him.

[C]

All right, let's play a little game. I'm going to bring up the playoff picture right now and you could play at home when you're watching. Drop your comments below here on the twitch and on YouTube as well. I'm going to ask both these guys to pick a team from the AFC side and the NFC side that is not making the playoffs. So let's look at the AFC side right now. You have Denver. Right now is the one seat on the buy. You have Buffalo, Pittsburgh, the 5 and 4, Chargers, Indy 6 and 3. Jacksonville is the seven spot. New England is the two right now. So New England would have a home playoff game. Boggs, your AFC guy, tell me which of these teams is out of this playoff mix in a couple of weeks from now when we're looking back at this.

[D]

I think the Chargers are too beat up to make it. You know, Jacksonville is the easy pick, but I think the Chargers missing the tackles are. They're just rough right now. Herbert looked miserable. He looks a little banged up. Obviously, Hampton might be coming back after the bi week. We'll see. I like that they get a, you know, a nice week to regroup here and get a little healthier. But it looked real bad last week. So they beat up Pittsburgh, but that was Pittsburgh being awful. So I think it's the Chargers.

[C]

You're the NFC guy. So let's take a look at the other side of that page. So on the NFC side, you got the Eagles with another ugly W under their helmets. You got Seattle and Tampa at the five and the four. You got Green Bay at the six and look at that first place Bears. Seth, our producer, has no idea how to feel he's there. They're at the top of the division. They've got seven wins and he's more uncomfortable now than he was when they had a losing record. And then you have your 49ers, Welsh and the Rams at the 2 spot, 49ers at the 7. So which one of these teams doesn't make it into the playoffs, in your opinion?

[E]

I think this is so tough. I think the easy thing to say is the niners as a 7 and the division. Rams are 8 and 2, Seahawks are 7 and 3. But here's my problem with saying the Niners, they just got healthy. Think of this stupid team, right? They just got Purdy back, they just got Puristol back. They've got Kittle back. They just now their defense is atrocious and they couldn't bring in Samuel or anything. So I definitely think there's a possibility that they could be on the outs. I'm going to say I think that the team that it's coming out from is the NFC north and that's a little bit of a cheat. My gut says it's a Chicago Bears even though they're the 33 spot. But look at this. They're one game back from each other. Bears are 7 and 3, packers are 6 and 3 and packers are the 6 seed. So it takes two losses for the Bears to start being on the potential outs here. I just don't trust this team. I think the packers are in a bad spot. They got so lucky that Josh Jacobs is avoiding any big major injury. So I tend to lean that the packers are going to be able to hold on. The Bears are going to fall apart. Their defense is really bad and I'm going to say wildly, maybe it's not going to be popular, but I'm going to say that three seed of the Bears at this moment is the team that's going to get knocked out.

[C]

I don't want to count the Lions out yet either for the playoffs because they're going to have the Giants this week in their own building and you know, they're going to turn around, score 40 points and everyone's going to be back on the bandwagon.

[E]

I wasn't even thinking of that. You're 100% right.

[C]

About like the lines are like. That's the weirdest part. It's like I think it's, you know, it's the calls coming from inside the house. I think it's coming from within the division that the Lions will come through and neither knock out both one of The Bears or the Packers, I think from that. And, and I don't like. Look, Dan Campbell drives me crazy. Like if he goes for another fourth down I might break my television.

[D]

Can we put up that, can we put up that bracket one more time, Seth?

[C]

Sure. Let's take a look.

[D]

Were the. Yeah, the Chiefs are not in it in the AFC yet either.

[C]

Well, that's I think where the Chargers law drop out comes from possibly, you know, you could see them, you know, if the Chargers keep losing games within that division the Chiefs make. Look, the Chiefs gotta get their crap together. But what do we always talk about? Bogs and the betting pro shows the team that loses the super bowl every year, especially when they what lose in historically bad fashion, never rebounds the next year. Typically the first of all, they've never make the super bowl again. The only team never do that to lose the super bowl and get back in the last 25 years was Tom Brady and the Patriots and they won. So not only do they not win, they don't get back and some of them don't even make the playoffs the next year. So it's brutal. The Chiefs aren't in there. There's a couple other good teams that are, you know, float around that AFC that I think are competitive at least. So we'll see how that all shakes out. All right, let's talk about our takeaways from the week. My first takeaway, obviously Bryce Young should only play the Falcons. Every company that the Panthers versus the Falcons is a gimme. That is absolutely it. Welsh, what was your takeaway from week 11?

[E]

Well, it's perfect transition to what we just talked about. This is the most beatable Chiefs team in I don't even know how long. And I'll say another thing to throw at what you guys were saying like oh, the Chiefs could get that. I'm not sure that they can get there. I was looking. Patrick Mahomes has. They have that rate fantasy, fantasy points data as like the turnover worthy throw stack which I think is kind of an interesting one because you're just looking at like how bad this team has been. Patrick Mahomes is at near the tippy top. He's got the most turnover worthy throws of inside the top 10. Well, of inside the top 10. So throws that are nine yards or lower. He has the number one most turnover throws. Guess what, of 20 yards or more he's second in turnover worthy throws. So his accuracy isn't like the 64. The adjusted completion percentage is bad. What I'm throwing out here is like he has been wildly inconsistent. And this is pairing with a team that is one in four on the road. Mind you this, in the AFC there is one winless team that is a Cleveland Browns. Next up, it is tied for the Chiefs being the worst on the road. They're five and five. If they make the playoffs, they're going to be playing on the road. They can't play on the road right now. Patrick Mahomes has been a disaster from the position. He has put all of these great. They have great receivers. They have no real trustworthy running game. They're not playing well on the road. Like, listen, they're the Chiefs. Anything can happen. I don't want to take away from any of that, but they are the most beatable version of a team that we've seen and if they sneak into the playoffs, I think it's going to kind of all be for nothing. And their fantasy options are becoming less trustworthy than we've ever seen before. And I think because it all revolves around Patrick Mahomes and maybe we can go in and say it's the. The receivers and it's the routes and it's the play calling that's the problem. But Patrick Mahomes has been kind of the worst version we've seen in quite some time. And he's showing it from whether it's short or deep ball throws. It's just that middle that he's being.

[C]

Yeah, it's been a weird year for him. And the Ravens aren't in that mix either on that chart also, so don't forget about them. At some point I pulled up pff.

[D]

Real quick and he is tied. Patrick Mahomes is tied with Daniel Jones for fifth most turnover worthy plays at any in any part of the field. And who can you guys name this week?

[C]

Oh wait, it's the Indianapolis Colts, boys and girls.

[D]

A lot of turnovers in that game. But can you name me the four quarterbacks with more turnover worthy plays? And DJ and Patrick Mahomes more this year. More this year right now. Oh, Geno Smith is not in that.

[C]

How can that possibly be?

[D]

Turnover where he plays is not in there either. I was surprised by that. So they're. One of them is no longer starting. That's your probably your only hint, but yet. No, not Justin Fields, not that team.

[C]

You're really pushing me here to the bottom of the barrel. Oh, yeah.

[E]

Hold on. Oh, oh, oh. Tua.

[D]

Tua's number one. Bing, bing, bing.

[E]

I got two.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

He has 19 turnover. He plays and then there's three. Other 17. Not Cam Ward either. Cam Ward has 12.

[E]

Jackson Dart had to have a high.

[D]

No, not Jackson Dart.

[E]

I mean, okay, one of them.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

There'S another one in Florida, Trevor Lawrence. That's it. Has 17. One is an MVP candidate until maybe the last couple of weeks and the other one has been benched.

[C]

Baker Mayfield.

[D]

Baker Mayfield is in there? Yes. Who is the bench guy who plays for the.

[C]

Oh, well, that would be Spencer Rattler.

[D]

Spencer Rattler. Spencer Schmatland.

[C]

That's right.

[E]

Only thing, last thing on our you Chiefs thing. That's all, folks. The only thing to the Chiefs that'll be interesting is the rest of season schedule that Seth sent us. They've got, you know, they got the Colts, which is gonna be a tough matchup. You got Dallas. We'll see which way that can go. Houston. And then the final four weeks, it's the Chargers, the Titans, the Broncos and the Raiders. There's some winnable games in there so they could sneak in, but again, they have just been so bad on the road, they sneak in and I think they absolutely fumble it.

[C]

All right, Boggs, what was your big takeaway from the week?

[D]

I think that all of the weapons in Minnesota need to take a little bit of a downgrade on our week to week process with JJ McCarthy going through the growing pains here. This is what we were supposed to be seeing early in the season from. McCarthy is kind of riding the ship and getting things right. Obviously he was hurt for a long time. So we got, you know, Carson Wentz until he was too broken to play anymore and then we got J.J. mcCarthy. So I just think Justin Jefferson goes to like, you know, he's still a wide receiver one, but he's probably close to the bottom end normally. Addison is a borderline start most weeks. Aaron Jones is getting enough volume to do stuff, but I just, I think it's going to click for McCarthy at some point, but I think it might be at the end of the year.

[E]

Is it a safe space? Is this a safe space to say that J.J. mcCarthy is not good? Maybe he will be good. I'm. He's not good now.

[C]

Yeah, good right now.

[D]

I think that's what I'm saying. But I'm doing it way nicer than you.

[E]

Yeah, but like every, everybody was all like, you know, oh my gosh, guys, you had six quarters and yeah, two of them were good. And it's like, okay, well all the quarters look really bad right now. Every decision he makes looks bad. He doesn't look good, doesn't mean he can't be good. That is like progression, prospect progression.

[D]

You're getting two things here, though. I, I think number one is he can't run as much as he normally would because of this injury. Right. So you're not getting that crazy rushing upside that we're all kind of waiting for McCarthy to have. I think we'll get that by the end of the year. The more healthy he gets, the more he's going to run. Right. And also when everything slows down for him, the weapons are incredible. You can see flashes of it, you can see moments of it, but it's not quite there yet. So you're right, he sucks right now. I'm not, you know, I'm not going to sit here and defend him right now, but that, this is why I'm saying he needs to. Everything, everything in Minnesota needs to come out.

[E]

Let's put him to bed. Let's put him to bed and let's talk about him next year. Because I think this year we're done with J.J. mcMahon.

[C]

Well, you said it yourself, box. You said, you know, he's trying to write the ship. The problem is he's on the Titanic right now. Like, that's the problem. And it's going nowhere. And he's taking Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson is literally Leonard DiCaprio in that movie, hanging onto that giant piece of wood that seems to have enough room for two people on it. But she's like, no, in that movie, I said the Tyri preface. Oh, okay, okay. I said he's on the Titanic. I said, I'm a right spider. That's what I said. All right.

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[C]

Boggs what was your moment of the week?

[D]

Jamar Chase spitting on Ramsey and it.

[C]

Being moment of the week.

[D]

Look, it's disgusting, man. I. I can't believe. I cannot believe he held himself. We would have been in a real fight on the ground punching through that helmet. If that was me, it would have been way worse. So I, I kind of applaud Ramsey for holding back a little bit even though he threw fists.

[E]

So that was a loogie. You ever hear like loogie? That was a loogie.

[D]

Yeah. Like Ramsey said, it's up. So yeah, that was disgusting. Bangle's gonna bangle. Jamar Chase is officially a bangle now to me. So.

[C]

All right, Welsh, I hope yours does not have any bodily fluids in.

[E]

Doesn't. But I just wanted to point out, especially in our last stream last week where we had our big MARVIN HARRISON Conversations. 15 catches for 185 yards. How about Michael Wilson?

[C]

Crazy.

[E]

Ever seen Marvin Harrison do anything remotely.

[D]

Close to ever see Kyler Murray 47 passes?

[E]

Ever see Marvin Harrison with Jacobe Brissette? Yes, we have Michael Wilson, decent route runner, good with catching the ball and holding on to it. What a world you can do when you have a receiver that can be even. Just consistent, if not average. I just thought what Michael Wilson did, that was a slam spot. I Talked about it on the Sunday live stream. I know, you know, everybody's a little different on. I was like, he's going to cook the 49ers receivers. He's absolutely going to cook them. It's going to be about will Brissette be comfortable throwing him the ball. And unlike some other receivers that have been there, Brissette found a level of comfort that he was willing to throw ridiculous amounts of footballs towards Michael Wilson. And he caught him cut.

[C]

Fifteen of them certainly were all right. Mine was. I thought bog. I actually left this for Boggs thinking he was going to pick this one, but it was actually from the Steelers game. It was big boy Darnell Washington just running over people. That was so fun. Like, if you, you know, like, I wish I'd get in the football a little bit more just because it's fun. Like, I don't care if it's the right call or the wrong call. It's fun to watch that guy running downhill, just taking. He's making grown men look like little children. He's just throwing guys. You know what it looks like.

[D]

No. Let's keep John who Smith on the field, though. Let's do that.

[E]

You know those mascot versus, like, peewee games that look like that. That's what he looked like. Yeah.

[D]

Who's like, notoriously seven years old.

[C]

Man that holds. Mascot is absolutely savage. I love that guy. He is the best. All right.

[D]

By the way, I was just looking real quick. Kyler Murray has six games in his career where he's attempted as many passes as Jacoby Brissette completed this week. 47 completions.

[C]

So, yeah, that's. That's pretty rough there. All right, let's play some factor fiction. You ready to go, boys and girls? Let's go. Let's go to Try's question. Your factor Fiction. Vrabel will mess up Henderson's upside by playing Stevenson. Factor fiction.

[D]

Welsh.

[C]

Spell Rainbow's name right. He's coach of the year. Spell it right next time. Try.

[D]

That's good enough. It's like marbles in your mouth.

[C]

This is how Bobby would say it. Rob Lay.

[D]

I would say what I would say.

[E]

It's like the farve thing. I tend to still think it's like, yes, but it's not going to be complete. It's just. It's a median point. Travion was just blah, blah. And then he just absolutely exploded. I think it's just going to be a split thing. Like, do you really think they're not going to give Stevenson 10 to 12 carries a game like they are, and it's going to be stupid.

[D]

But he's 20.

[E]

Will they destroy Travion?

[B]

No.

[E]

And the upside is still there because, like, he makes big, explosive plays. So I guess I'm like, talking out of both sides. I tend to think, like, yes, if you think Trayvon is going to get 22 carries a game and four receptions and reminder, he's only going to have like 12 snaps. Like, I think you're wrong on that standpoint. But he is just super explosive. But I guess my. I will say fact.

[C]

I'm going to say fiction. I think the cat's out of the bag, the genie's out of the bottle. You can't go back to a guy who's making that sort. Look, you're at this point in the season where he's got fresh legs, everybody else is tired, he looks explosive. He's making big plays, he's catching the football. I think at best, he is a three down back that you do want to give.

[D]

His computer's freezing.

[C]

Oh, is it? I'm sorry, am I back now? Can you see? I never froze just for a second. Yeah, yeah. The wind here is wild where I am. But just for everybody else, what I say is this. Like, I think you're at a point here where he's a three down back. But even in Ohio State, you saw, like, you got to take some carries off of him. And I think that's what you want to do with Ramandre, too. You want to give Ramon Dre five to 10 carries. I think that's fine. 10 to 15. No, no, thank you. No, ma', am. I will not have that. Fact or fiction for you there, Boggs, what do you think about this fact?

[D]

Yes. If he gives. If he splits with Henderson, that's too much for Stevenson. It is. So, yes, he will absolutely screw this up.

[C]

Well, I hate that. I hate that answer and I hate cursive, and I hate all of you. All right, let's get to a fact. Fiction here. Chiefs don't make the playoffs. Fact or fiction, Boggs? God, you can start this fiction.

[D]

They'll make it. It's. It's the Chiefs. They're going to make it. They're going to make it. And they're going to make a deep run as well. I don't know if they'll go back to the Super Bow, but they'll probably get to the AFC championship again. Yes, they're going to make it.

[C]

Welsh factor fiction.

[E]

Chiefs get in, I mean, pretty clear off of what I brought up. I think it's fiction. I oh like that they can get it. I'm sorry. I think they can sneak in based off that schedule. I do not think they're making a deep run. I think they'll be playing on the road in their first game. I think they will lose and I think they think they would make a quick exit so I could see them getting in based off of that schedule. But it'll be short.

[C]

It's. I agree. Is exactly what happened to the Eagles. Right. A couple years ago they snuck in the playoffs. They were on the road and they lost. Where? Tampa. Like that's. That's it. This is exact. They're. They're literally the road map is in front of you. Everybody. That's. That's what it's all about. Let's do another factor fiction here. Factor fiction. Chase is not a top 10 wide receiver rest of season factor fiction Welsh fiction.

[E]

I think he still is. Joe Flacco, Joe Burrow. Joey. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah but the the meme it doesn't really matter. Like they're gonna sling the ball. I was a bad outing. Steelers just kind of locked him down. He's spitting on everybody. The thing that might be keep him out rest of season is he's going to get suspended for a game. So like that might be the pseudo thing from I think from a talent perspective though. No doesn't matter. The whichever Joe is behind unless it's you piece of PIA he's going to get 15. You actually would probably target I throw.

[C]

More footballs than Joe Burrow probably in the last couple of weeks. Just saying.

[E]

Every week.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I don't know. Maybe two times.

[D]

I'm going to say I'm sure. I'm sure that football is of the same quality.

[C]

I'm sure it is. I will be also I will be throwing footballs in practice at the Meadowlands. I'll be throwing more balls than Justin Fields this week potentially. Just saying I'll be on that field. Hopefully nobody gets hurt on that field.

[E]

Like I'm sure he won't throw any in practice. I'm sure.

[C]

I'm sure.

[D]

Man, if Joe blows out his knee.

[C]

I will feel bad.

[D]

But it might be the funniest.

[C]

Oh I'm believe me, I will be walking everywhere. I will be walking like this. Like on eggshells. Very gently. Like, you know, I'd be walking like Elmer Fudd. Elmer Fudd used to walk like this. Fact or fiction? Jordan Love is a hidden mvp. MVP candidate. I think this is Fiction. Bogs, how about you?

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Fiction.

[C]

Yeah, fiction.

[D]

Fiction.

[C]

Welsh fiction on this one.

[D]

Not that good.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Lord of the Rings.

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All right, there you go. All right, let's do a little 31 1. Take a look at the board here. Bogman is the leader at 10. He got two last week. A Chan and Alan. I got one with the Bijan and Welsh got Acero. No. Flacco. No Doubt or no Chase. You both had Chase and Chase didn't get there. So this week I'm going against the New York Giants with the Lions at home. Give me Jared Goff for the 300 yard passer. I'm on Ross St. Brown for the 100 yard receiver. And give me Derrick Henry against the New York Jets. That's what I'm saying. For my hundred yard rusher. Welsh, who's your 311 for week 12?

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I. I gotta make sure I'm doing different players than you guys. Just. I was gonna pick a couple of the ones you had. I have, I'm, I'm on, I'm on my heels here. Like I gotta have two big weeks of pushing to a corner.

[D]

We backed him in a corner. He's been gonna become a monster.

[E]

Now these are rough. I'm gonna go with Drake May, who I believe leads the league in passing yards. I'm gonna go Drake May versus the Cincinnati Bengals. He is, you know, MVP candidate. Bengals defense, you know, they're trying to do their things, but Drake May is going to come into town and ruin that. Give me Saquon Barkley versus the Dallas Cowboys. They were running with Barkley. A whole bunch are going to have a lot more success against the Dallas Cowboys. Let's get over 100 there. Playing up big. And how about Teoa McMillan versus my 49ers? And you know what you guys are like, oh, Bryce Young, Bryce Young. Maybe Bryce Young will have another big week. Michael Wilson 15 for 185. Tetaroa got a bunch of targets are going to keep up that Niners aren't stopping anybody. So he's going over 100. Let's see if we can sweep it.

[C]

Yeah, Niners. Boy, those injuries have really caught up.

[D]

All right, how are we with Mary's Young Welsh? Tell me real quick again, one more time. For me. I'm going to go Matthew Stafford versus Tampa Bay. I, you know, they stopped the run really well. They kept James Cook bottled up. I think it's going to force the Rams to pass. So I think Stafford gets to 300 there. Jameer Gibbs against the Giants. I think he could do that on, like, you know, four explosive plays. The Giants have not tackled very well this year. Not as bad as I thought. 21st tackle grade, but still a lot of missed tackles. And then JSN at Tennessee. Tennessee just has no secondary to speak of right now. So give me jsn. I feel good about this this week. Gentlemen, I like this.

[C]

Does he now? No. None of us.

[D]

Now that I'm in first, I'm confident.

[C]

None of us have had a perfect week. I will say this.

[E]

In the history of this game, it's never happened.

[C]

Joe Flacco might be the same age as me. It's very, very possible at this point.

[D]

Way older.

[C]

RJo is way older. But I feel like I'm happier. Like, Joe Flacco looks miserable all the time. Like, but even if things are going well, he always looks miserable. That's always his MO.

[E]

I think it's just his face, his rest factor.

[C]

Fiction.

[E]

You know what?

[C]

Similar face.

[E]

Yeah, you do.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Her bra.

[E]

I'm having a great time right now.

[C]

Look like, can we take a look at that bruh face right now?

[E]

Yeah. See, that's a guy that's having a great time.

[C]

Look at that.

[D]

It's like, man, that guy's job must really suck. What, does he sit on his ass and talk about sports all day?

[E]

Can you believe we. Can you believe we tweeted that out as a sell for the show?

[C]

You know my favorite. This is the face that you make as a parent to when you come home and you, like, I asked you to bring in the recycling. I asked you to do one thing to your kids, right? Could you please bring. And you were driving home and in the middle of the block, like, halfway down the block, you see it's a windy day and the recycling is blowing down the street, and you see that bucket, and you're like, I asked you to do one thing, right?

[E]

Yeah. Podcasters, this is a visual medium on this. But it's just like, can you imagine? We're like, hey, let's sell this show to people. And then, bam.

[C]

All right, let's do one more factor. Fiction. How fun Herbert and QJ are cooked rest of season Season from Peb Welsh. What do you think? Is it over? Or is it just the offensive line is just not healthy right now.

[E]

Boy, it didn't look good in this game. Like, you look at. You're like, how can we be so bad? I'm gonna say, Herbert's not cooked. QJ's gonna have a game or two. But the problem is, is he's no longer consistent. Lad is back to, you know, being their bigger play guy. Keenan Allen was clearly the safety net Gadsden takes away from. Q. I saw like one. I didn't. I. I probably watch like 60% of that game. They had that one play, if you saw it was like four wide receivers up top, one on the left, and they were trying to single out QJ and it was like that was it. That was all that they tried to run for him. Gadsden kills him. I think QJ is just, as a general sense is kind of cooked outside of a game or two. I just don't tend to think that Herbert's done. They're the one of the highest passing volume teams in the NFL. They got great pass catchers. They completely fell apart with themselves and they went up against just kind of a buzz saw in the Jags and how they turn. They force turnover. So I think Herbert will be okay. I think QJ is cooked.

[C]

Boggs. I think it's all about the health of the offensive line. The Chargers future is based on that. If all can come back healthy sooner than later. But that's tough right now. They. They definitely buy they're getting at the right time this week, that's for sure.

[D]

I mean, and I think they may have to use more, you know, heavy blocking tight ends, which is gonna. I mean, I don't think it'll affect Gadsden that much, but it affects all those slot guys. LAD and you know, Gaston is basically a slot wide receiver and qj. So Keenan Allen and so I just think it like, well said. It's going to be inconsistent on who is the big performer week to week. So Yeah, I think QJ's definitely done. Herbert.

[C]

50.

[D]

50. Flip a coin.

[C]

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