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Episode Title: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 12 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1850)

Release Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia), Scott Bogman, The Welsh

Overview

This episode of FantasyPros' Out of Bounds dives deep into Week 11 oddities, major fantasy football takeaways, rest-of-season trade and waiver wire advice, injury impacts, and a spirited round of “Fact or Fiction” to help you gear up for pivotal Week 12 decisions. With signature banter and blunt honesty, Joey P., Bogman, and the Welsh break down surprising player performances, suspensions, injury fallout, and which squads are on track for the playoffs—or headed for heartbreak.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Week 11 Recap: The Carnage and the Outliers

• Fantasy Chaos: Scores were all over the place—“either you scored 150 or 50 points” (00:33).
  • Odd streaming heroes like Michael Wilson and Teao McMillan exploded, while reliable stars like Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert disappointed.
• Bogman’s Survival: Bogman notes getting “dropped in guillotine,” being crushed by byes/injuries: “It was all or nothing. You were either part of the injury brigade of Sunday Bloody Sunday or skated through” (02:04).
• Welsh’s Shockers:
  • Sam Darnold’s “next level bad” performance after steady play: “He was horrifically bad...four picks and a fumble” (04:48).
  • Vegas and betting failures: “Me and Erickson got smashed across the board on bets” (03:58).

2. Jamar Chase Spitting Controversy (05:06–07:19)

• Question: Will Jamar Chase get suspended for spitting on Jalen Ramsey?
  • Joey: “They set the precedent with Carter in week one…you go look at the tape though, he definitely spits in his direction. That seems like enough.” (05:06)
  • Welsh: Initially skeptical, but after watching: “Good lord…there is no doubt” (06:39)
  • Bogman: “Why are all these dudes spitting on each other? This is disgusting...throw some fists!” (06:49)
  • Consensus: Suspension expected; behavior is condemned.

3. Quarterback Conundrums & Streamer Talk (07:27–09:37)

• Bryce Young QB1 Rest of Season?
  • Fiction.
  • Only performed as a QB1 against Atlanta and sporadically: “He’s not good. Maybe he’s a streamer, but not ‘the guy’” (08:43 – Welsh).
  • Team likely to give experiment another year, but could bring in competition.

4. Waiver Wire & Running Back Roundup (09:37–12:14)

• Chris Rodriguez (Commanders):
  • Joey: “I think it’s pretty clear he is the one you want for fantasy…Bill is droppable, especially because of the bye this week” (09:37).
  • Welsh: “You don’t want any part of that backfield…just a gross mess” (10:02).
  • Bogman: “C Rod over everybody, but McNichols is getting third downs. It’s gross” (10:30).
  • Rodriguez over Gainwell? Marginally, only for volume.
• General Advice: All options are “gross,” touchdown-dependent, but can be emergency fill-ins during byes/injuries.

5. Atlanta Falcons in Trouble (12:14–14:13)

• QB Woes & Drake London’s Outlook:
  • “Not great. Darnell Mooney as next man up is a massive downgrade. Cousins hasn’t shown anything” (12:59, Bogman).
  • Expect B. Robinson (Bijan) to see more passing work, offense overall downgraded.
  • London’s injury (PCL): 2–6 week absence likely; if ATL is out of contention, could be shut down longer.
  • Advice: Sell London for immediate production (like Christian Watson or T.McMillan) if you’re on the playoff bubble. “You gotta play for now. We’re approaching Week 12” (16:40, Joey).

6. Quarterback Carousel: Browns and Jets (18:18–21:12)

• Browns QB Update:
  • Jacoby Brissette praised for high-volume completion record; seen as a possible bridge/starter in Arizona if Kyler Murray is dealt (21:21, Welsh).
  • Welsh: “He’s the piece in Arizona. Kyler’s done; Brissette as bridge, they draft a rookie” (21:28).
• Jets QB Situation:
  • Tyrod Taylor vs. Shador Sanders: Both unappealing, Taylor preferred for experience; Shador’s upside tied to athleticism, remains a “miserable” option so far.

7. Playoff Picture Predictions (23:07–25:49)

• AFC Trap Door:
  • Bogman: “Chargers [are] too beat up to make it; Jacksonville’s the easy pick, but Herbert and o-line are too banged up” (23:07).
• NFC Fallers:
  • Welsh: “The Bears at 7–3 could get knocked out; defense is really bad, division’s tight, Lions lurking” (24:08).
  • Joey: “Don’t count out the Lions…calls coming from inside the house” (25:21).

8. Week 11 Takeaways—Team & Player Trends (26:51–32:54)

• Chiefs Most Beatable in Years:
  • Welsh: “Patrick Mahomes is at near the tippy top in turnover-worthy throws—most short, second most deep. He’s been wildly inconsistent. The most beatable Chiefs team I’ve seen” (26:51).
  • Chiefs might squeak into playoffs, but “options are less trustworthy than ever.”
• Vikings Offense Downgraded:
  • Bogman: “All weapons in Minnesota need a downgrade with McCarthy’s growing pains…Jefferson is end WR1, Addison is a borderline start, everything’s coming down” (31:11).
  • Welsh: “J.J. McCarthy is not good, maybe he will be, but he’s not now” (32:04).

9. Memorable Moments & Standouts of the Week

- Jamar Chase Spit-Gate (35:39)

• Bogman: “Disgusting. Would’ve been a real fight if it was me…Bengal’s gonna Bengal. Jamar Chase is officially a Bengal now” (35:42)
• Welsh: “That was a loogie” (36:00)

- Michael Wilson’s Breakout (36:19)

• Welsh: “Talked about it on the live stream. He’s a decent route runner and Brissette grew instantly comfortable with him—15 catches for 185!” (36:19)

- Big Boy Plays: Darnell Washington Truck-sticking Defenders (37:22)

• Joey: “He makes grown men look like little children. Fun to watch!” (37:22)

10. Fact or Fiction: Rest of Season Rapid Fire Q&A (38:31–47:59)

- Will Stevenson hurt Travion Henderson's value?

• Welsh: “Yes, it’ll be a split—expect 10–12 carries for Stevenson” (39:08).
• Joey: “Fiction. Travion too explosive, the genie’s out” (39:30).
• Bogman: “If it’s a split, yes, he’ll screw it up” (40:17).

- Chiefs Miss Playoffs?

• All: Fiction—They’ll sneak in, but likely quick exit (40:36–41:08).

- Chase not top-10 WR ROS?

• All: Fiction. “Joe Flacco or Joe Burrow, doesn’t matter, he gets the volume” (41:28–41:56, Welsh).

- Jordan Love Hidden MVP?

• All: Fiction. “Not that good” (42:46).

- Herbert & QJ Cooked?

• Welsh: “Herbert’s not cooked, QJ is…Gadsden, Allen are the targets. O-line health is everything” (46:26).

11. 311 Challenge—Bold Performance Picks for Week 12 (43:21)

• Joey:
  • 300+ passer: Jared Goff (vs Giants)
  • 100+ rusher: Derrick Henry (vs Jets)
  • 100+ receiver: Amon-Ra St. Brown (vs Giants)
• Welsh:
  • 300+ passer: Drake May (vs Bengals)
  • 100+ rusher: Saquon Barkley (vs Cowboys)
  • 100+ receiver: Teao McMillan (vs 49ers)
• Bogman:
  • 300+ passer: Matthew Stafford (vs Tampa Bay)
  • 100+ rusher: Jameer Gibbs (vs Giants)
  • 100+ receiver: JSN (vs Tennessee)

Notable Quotes

• Joey P.: “You gotta play for now. We’re approaching week 12.” – on trading injured stars if you’re on the playoff bubble (16:40)
• The Welsh: “This is the most beatable Chiefs team in I don’t even know how long…Fantasy options are becoming less trustworthy than we’ve ever seen.” (26:51)
• Scott Bogman: “All the weapons in Minnesota need a downgrade with J.J. McCarthy going through the growing pains here. Jefferson is still a WR1 but probably close to the bottom end.” (31:11)
• Welsh (on McCarthy): "Is it a safe space to say that J.J. McCarthy is not good?... He doesn't look good, doesn't mean he can't be good" (32:04)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Week 11 insanity & personal fantasy stories – 00:33–05:06
• Jamar Chase spitting incident – 05:06–07:19
• Bryce Young QB1 debate – 07:27–09:37
• Chris Rodriguez / Commanders backfield – 09:37–12:14
• Atlanta Falcons woes / London injury – 12:14–16:40
• Brissette, Jets, and QB carousel – 18:18–22:33
• Playoff picture “Who’s out?” – 23:07–25:49
• Chiefs analysis: Most beatable in years – 26:51–28:47
• Minnesota offense needs downgrade – 31:11–32:54
• Memorable moments: Spit, Michael Wilson, big boy runs – 35:39–37:51
• Fact or Fiction rapid fire – 38:31–47:59
• “311” challenge: Bold picks for Week 12 – 43:21–44:59

Tone & Style

• Blunt, playful, and irreverent; recurring self-deprecation and inside jokes
• Mix of sharp, actionable advice and lighthearted ribbing
• Not afraid to call out tired fantasy narratives or “gross” waiver options
• Directly call out poor player antics and league trends

For Listeners: Top Takeaways

• Don’t trust fluke performances—stream wisely and stay nimble as injuries mount.
• Consider moving on from injured stars, especially with teams out of contention.
• Key backfields (Commanders, Falcons) are landmines—seek clarity and volume wherever possible.
• Major playoff shakeups are likely both in AFC and NFC—stash players on rising offenses, not tanking teams.
• The Chiefs and Vikings are now offenses to approach with caution, especially for fantasy playoffs.
• Monitor suspensions (esp. Jamar Chase) and make proactive trades before news spreads.

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