FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast

Episode: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 13 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1865)
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Joe Pisapia ("Joey P"), Scott Bogman, Chris Welsh ("the Welsh")

Episode Overview

This Out of Bounds episode dives into actionable fantasy football takeaways following Week 12, with a lively roundtable on which developments are facts or just fiction. The crew gives their top waiver wire stashes, trade advice, updates on key NFL news (coaching changes, rookie QBs), and preview Week 13 slate—including Thanksgiving games. Notable segments include Fact or Fiction audience Q&A, “moment of the week,” and their recurring “311” challenge: predicting a 300-yard passer, 100-yard rusher, and 100-yard receiver.

The tone is loose, fun, and highly knowledgeable, mixing sharp fantasy analysis with the hosts' signature banter and running jokes.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shadur Sanders' NFL Debut for Cleveland (02:06)

• Welsh's take: “College quarterback being thrown into an NFL setting is about what it was like...He made one really great throw to Isaiah Bond...he also made one of the most bonehead, dumbass interception throws.” (02:06)
  • Gave Sanders a C+ grade—praising flashes, but emphasizing he’s “raw” and not an instant star.
• Bogman’s view: Gave a bit more credit, pointing out, “He was the first rookie quarterback to win in Cleveland in their debut in like 17 years.” (04:18)
• The crew notes Sanders’ confidence—“Are we surprised that Deion Sanders’ son is tripping with confidence?” (05:50)—but debate if it verges on arrogance.

2. Coaching Changes: Chip Kelly and Shane Bowen (03:14, 06:39)

• Chip Kelly fired as OC; the hosts express shock he was the highest paid at his position and criticize usage of Geno Smith (“Any offensive coordinator that allows Geno Smith to pass the ball 44 times is going to get fired.” — Bogman, 03:25).
• Shane Bowen (Giants DC) is also gone—Welsh notes, “It was a very fun game to watch. I enjoyed the Jameis Winston at one point, too.” (07:36)

3. Rookie QBs & Wideouts—Development and Panic Meters (09:33–11:12)

• Dylan Sampson as a fantasy stash: “He looked great…he reminds me of Devin Singletary coming out of college…” (08:54)
• JJ McCarthy panic: “He looks horrifically bad…It’s like his controller unplugs and he just freezes and he doesn’t move.” (Welsh, 09:43)
  • Panic meter is HIGH for Justin Jefferson rest-of-season if McCarthy remains.

4. Tampa Bay—WRs, Injuries & Outlook (11:12–12:55)

• Drop debate: Cut White/Godwin for Vidal/Rodriguez? Lean towards “Yes” for White, but Godwin is a tougher hold.
• Injuries to Mayfield and “Bucky” cloud the situation. Mike Evans remains vital, but the team trend is downward.

5. Cowboys, Eagles, and Offensive Trends (12:56–16:44)

• Joe’s “upset special” was the Cowboys/Eagles game. Questions if Philly must abandon the run and open the pass game: “I think it’s time to pivot.” (13:47)
• Welsh: “They just stalled out…why they can’t find some innovation in their offense when you have the pieces?” (15:13)
• The hosts build hype for the Cowboys-Chiefs Thanksgiving matchup; all agree Dallas’ offense could be the most explosive unit in the NFL (“Name me a better offense…” 16:25; “The offense might be the best unit in the game…” 16:40)

6. Vikings’ (Possible) Rebuild & JJ McCarthy's Future (18:13–20:53)

• Joe: “The Vikings might be rebuilding next year…defensively they have not played well. The quarterback situation is a big giant question mark.” (18:13)
• Both agree there have been too few promising moments from McCarthy to rely on his upside as a solution.

7. Matthew Stafford and Rams MVP Candidacy (22:01–23:44)

• Welsh’s “takeaway”: “Matthew Stafford could have thrown nine touchdowns in that game…he might legitimately throw 50 touchdowns and have less than 5 picks.” (22:01, 22:36)
• Stafford framed as a sneaky MVP front-runner and a weekly fantasy smash.

8. Wide Receiver Tiers: George Pickens’ Ascendance (24:21–30:32)

• Bogman: “George Pickens belongs in the group with Chase, Jefferson, Lamb and Puka…statistically this year…Pickens has been tearing it up and this is his first year with Dak.” (24:21, 28:25)
• Welsh debates if Pickens is above or just beside CeeDee Lamb, highlights Pickens’ consistency but flags off-field concerns.

9. Key Player Comparisons and Audience Q&A (30:32–41:46)

• Debate: “Ngata or Tet rest-of-season?” Verdict: Still leaning Egbuka.
• Moments of the week:
  • Bogman: J.J. Watt passing his brother T.J. Watt on the all-time sack list, with family present (31:01).
  • Welsh: Jameis Winston’s receiving touchdown with improvised Heisman pose (31:01).
  • Joe: Effort play by Elijah Clark on special teams. (32:22)
• Fact or Fiction Q&A:
  • Stafford for MVP? - Split; Welsh sees it, others say it’s not over (33:50–34:11).
  • Do Bears and Caleb Williams deserve “flowers”? Hosts agree—his play has improved thanks to proper weapon support (34:34–36:40).
  • Drake May as a fantasy QB: “Not mediocre”—potential capped by game scripts and lack of designed runs, but remains a low-end QB1 (36:56–39:19).
  • Texans win AFC South? All say “Fiction”—division remains the Colts’ to lose. (40:09–40:42)

10. 311 Challenge for Week 13 (42:09)

Rules: Pick a 300-yard passer, 100-yard rusher, 100-yard receiver for the week.

• Welsh: Sam Darnold (QB), RJ Harvey (RB), Jamar Chase (WR)
• Bogman: Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley, Puka Nakua
• Joe: Patrick Mahomes, Devon Achane, JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

On Shadur Sanders’ confidence:

• “Are we surprised that Deion Sanders’ son is tripping with confidence?” (Bogman, 05:50)

On the chaotic Giants coaching shakeup:

• “It was a very fun game to watch. I enjoyed the Jameis Winston at one point, too…It was really fun in terms of… the energy he brings to the games.” (Joe, 07:36)

Welsh, on JJ McCarthy’s struggles:

• “He looks like he hikes a ball. He comes back and then it’s like his controller unplugs, and he just freezes and he doesn’t move.” (09:43)

On George Pickens v. CeeDee Lamb:

• “Pickens is the pillar of consistency right now…Is it Pickens over Lamb at this point for you, Boggs?” (Welsh, 27:54)

Welsh, on the state of the Eagles offense:

• “…They just stalled out…why they can’t find some innovation in their offense when you have the pieces?” (15:13)

Matthew Stafford’s fantasy outlook:

• “He might legitimately throw 50 touchdowns and have less than five picks…we really should [give him MVP credit].” (Welsh, 22:36)

On the Bears’ success with Caleb Williams:

• “You get the quarterback, and then you immediately surround him with weapons. That’s what the Lions did when they got Goff as well.” (Bogman, 36:02)

Important Timestamps

• Shadur Sanders’ debut & Browns QB outlook: 02:06–06:11
• OC/DC firings & immediate impacts: 03:14–08:12
• Waiver wire stashes (Dylan Sampson, etc.): 08:50–09:33
• JJ McCarthy/Justin Jefferson panic meter: 09:43–10:54
• Bucs/WR drop question: 11:12–12:28
• Cowboys/Eagles, Philly’s offensive limitations: 12:56–15:13
• Thanksgiving games preview, best offense in NFL: 15:13–18:02
• Vikings’ QB situation/possible rebuild: 18:13–20:53
• Matthew Stafford’s MVP case: 22:01–23:44
• George Pickens debate among elite WRs: 24:21–30:32
• Moments of the week (Jameis, Watts siblings, Clark): 31:01–32:22
• Fact or Fiction Q&A (Stafford MVP, Bears, Drake May): 33:50–38:51
• Texans/Colts division race, Ashn Genti outlook: 40:09–41:46
• 311 contest picks, Week 13: 42:09–44:25

Takeaways for Fantasy Football Managers

• Waiver stashes: Dylan Sampson is a recommended risk/reward add for RB depth.
• Vikings: Steer clear of JJ McCarthy in redraft; target offense only if QB situation stabilizes.
• Bucs WRs: Time to cut White; Godwin is a tougher drop, but upside is limited ROS.
• Cowboys & Rams: Target these teams for high-upside offensive pieces. Both have fantasy-friendly schedules ahead.
• George Pickens: Emerging into WR1 territory, though off-field and motivational concerns linger long-term.
• Monitor rookie QBs: Only Caleb Williams is panning out immediately in fantasy; be wary of hype around other rookies.
• Stafford/Houston Outlook: Strong QB streamer (Stafford); don’t overrate Texans as divisional favorites.
• Thanksgiving slate: Stack Cowboys/Rams/Lions players on short week games.

Listener Questions & Fact or Fiction (select highlights)

• Is Matthew Stafford MVP locked up?
  • Welsh: “He has it right now, but I don’t think it’s like done…” (33:54)
• Will the Texans catch the Colts?
  • All: “Fiction”—the AFC South is still Indy’s to lose.
• Will Ashn Genti be “unlocked” post-Chip Kelly?
  • Slight split, but likely only marginal improvement.
• Can Drake May be a top fantasy QB?
  • Remains startable (QB1 range), but not an elite ceiling due to lack of running/game script.

Final Thoughts

This episode is packed with deep-dive analysis on NFL rookie development, coaching shakeups, waiver priorities, wide receiver risers (notably George Pickens’ surge), MVP dark horse discussion, and Thanksgiving matchup breakdowns. The hosts' chemistry and blend of humor with sharp insight make this a can’t-miss for serious fantasy players looking ahead to the playoff push.