Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 13 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1865)

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Episode: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 13 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1865)
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Joe Pisapia ("Joey P"), Scott Bogman, Chris Welsh ("the Welsh")

Episode Overview

This Out of Bounds episode dives into actionable fantasy football takeaways following Week 12, with a lively roundtable on which developments are facts or just fiction. The crew gives their top waiver wire stashes, trade advice, updates on key NFL news (coaching changes, rookie QBs), and preview Week 13 slate—including Thanksgiving games. Notable segments include Fact or Fiction audience Q&A, “moment of the week,” and their recurring “311” challenge: predicting a 300-yard passer, 100-yard rusher, and 100-yard receiver.

The tone is loose, fun, and highly knowledgeable, mixing sharp fantasy analysis with the hosts' signature banter and running jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shadur Sanders' NFL Debut for Cleveland (02:06)

• Welsh's take: “College quarterback being thrown into an NFL setting is about what it was like...He made one really great throw to Isaiah Bond...he also made one of the most bonehead, dumbass interception throws.” (02:06)
  • Gave Sanders a C+ grade—praising flashes, but emphasizing he’s “raw” and not an instant star.
• Bogman’s view: Gave a bit more credit, pointing out, “He was the first rookie quarterback to win in Cleveland in their debut in like 17 years.” (04:18)
• The crew notes Sanders’ confidence—“Are we surprised that Deion Sanders’ son is tripping with confidence?” (05:50)—but debate if it verges on arrogance.

2. Coaching Changes: Chip Kelly and Shane Bowen (03:14, 06:39)

• Chip Kelly fired as OC; the hosts express shock he was the highest paid at his position and criticize usage of Geno Smith (“Any offensive coordinator that allows Geno Smith to pass the ball 44 times is going to get fired.” — Bogman, 03:25).
• Shane Bowen (Giants DC) is also gone—Welsh notes, “It was a very fun game to watch. I enjoyed the Jameis Winston at one point, too.” (07:36)

3. Rookie QBs & Wideouts—Development and Panic Meters (09:33–11:12)

• Dylan Sampson as a fantasy stash: “He looked great…he reminds me of Devin Singletary coming out of college…” (08:54)
• JJ McCarthy panic: “He looks horrifically bad…It’s like his controller unplugs and he just freezes and he doesn’t move.” (Welsh, 09:43)
  • Panic meter is HIGH for Justin Jefferson rest-of-season if McCarthy remains.

4. Tampa Bay—WRs, Injuries & Outlook (11:12–12:55)

• Drop debate: Cut White/Godwin for Vidal/Rodriguez? Lean towards “Yes” for White, but Godwin is a tougher hold.
• Injuries to Mayfield and “Bucky” cloud the situation. Mike Evans remains vital, but the team trend is downward.

5. Cowboys, Eagles, and Offensive Trends (12:56–16:44)

• Joe’s “upset special” was the Cowboys/Eagles game. Questions if Philly must abandon the run and open the pass game: “I think it’s time to pivot.” (13:47)
• Welsh: “They just stalled out…why they can’t find some innovation in their offense when you have the pieces?” (15:13)
• The hosts build hype for the Cowboys-Chiefs Thanksgiving matchup; all agree Dallas’ offense could be the most explosive unit in the NFL (“Name me a better offense…” 16:25; “The offense might be the best unit in the game…” 16:40)

6. Vikings’ (Possible) Rebuild & JJ McCarthy's Future (18:13–20:53)

• Joe: “The Vikings might be rebuilding next year…defensively they have not played well. The quarterback situation is a big giant question mark.” (18:13)
• Both agree there have been too few promising moments from McCarthy to rely on his upside as a solution.

7. Matthew Stafford and Rams MVP Candidacy (22:01–23:44)

• Welsh’s “takeaway”: “Matthew Stafford could have thrown nine touchdowns in that game…he might legitimately throw 50 touchdowns and have less than 5 picks.” (22:01, 22:36)
• Stafford framed as a sneaky MVP front-runner and a weekly fantasy smash.

8. Wide Receiver Tiers: George Pickens’ Ascendance (24:21–30:32)

• Bogman: “George Pickens belongs in the group with Chase, Jefferson, Lamb and Puka…statistically this year…Pickens has been tearing it up and this is his first year with Dak.” (24:21, 28:25)
• Welsh debates if Pickens is above or just beside CeeDee Lamb, highlights Pickens’ consistency but flags off-field concerns.

9. Key Player Comparisons and Audience Q&A (30:32–41:46)

• Debate: “Ngata or Tet rest-of-season?” Verdict: Still leaning Egbuka.
• Moments of the week:
  • Bogman: J.J. Watt passing his brother T.J. Watt on the all-time sack list, with family present (31:01).
  • Welsh: Jameis Winston’s receiving touchdown with improvised Heisman pose (31:01).
  • Joe: Effort play by Elijah Clark on special teams. (32:22)
• Fact or Fiction Q&A:
  • Stafford for MVP? - Split; Welsh sees it, others say it’s not over (33:50–34:11).
  • Do Bears and Caleb Williams deserve “flowers”? Hosts agree—his play has improved thanks to proper weapon support (34:34–36:40).
  • Drake May as a fantasy QB: “Not mediocre”—potential capped by game scripts and lack of designed runs, but remains a low-end QB1 (36:56–39:19).
  • Texans win AFC South? All say “Fiction”—division remains the Colts’ to lose. (40:09–40:42)

10. 311 Challenge for Week 13 (42:09)

Rules: Pick a 300-yard passer, 100-yard rusher, 100-yard receiver for the week.

• Welsh: Sam Darnold (QB), RJ Harvey (RB), Jamar Chase (WR)
• Bogman: Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley, Puka Nakua
• Joe: Patrick Mahomes, Devon Achane, JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

On Shadur Sanders’ confidence:

• “Are we surprised that Deion Sanders’ son is tripping with confidence?” (Bogman, 05:50)

On the chaotic Giants coaching shakeup:

• “It was a very fun game to watch. I enjoyed the Jameis Winston at one point, too…It was really fun in terms of… the energy he brings to the games.” (Joe, 07:36)

Welsh, on JJ McCarthy’s struggles:

• “He looks like he hikes a ball. He comes back and then it’s like his controller unplugs, and he just freezes and he doesn’t move.” (09:43)

On George Pickens v. CeeDee Lamb:

• “Pickens is the pillar of consistency right now…Is it Pickens over Lamb at this point for you, Boggs?” (Welsh, 27:54)

Welsh, on the state of the Eagles offense:

• “…They just stalled out…why they can’t find some innovation in their offense when you have the pieces?” (15:13)

Matthew Stafford’s fantasy outlook:

• “He might legitimately throw 50 touchdowns and have less than five picks…we really should [give him MVP credit].” (Welsh, 22:36)

On the Bears’ success with Caleb Williams:

• “You get the quarterback, and then you immediately surround him with weapons. That’s what the Lions did when they got Goff as well.” (Bogman, 36:02)

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Important Timestamps

• Shadur Sanders’ debut & Browns QB outlook: 02:06–06:11
• OC/DC firings & immediate impacts: 03:14–08:12
• Waiver wire stashes (Dylan Sampson, etc.): 08:50–09:33
• JJ McCarthy/Justin Jefferson panic meter: 09:43–10:54
• Bucs/WR drop question: 11:12–12:28
• Cowboys/Eagles, Philly’s offensive limitations: 12:56–15:13
• Thanksgiving games preview, best offense in NFL: 15:13–18:02
• Vikings’ QB situation/possible rebuild: 18:13–20:53
• Matthew Stafford’s MVP case: 22:01–23:44
• George Pickens debate among elite WRs: 24:21–30:32
• Moments of the week (Jameis, Watts siblings, Clark): 31:01–32:22
• Fact or Fiction Q&A (Stafford MVP, Bears, Drake May): 33:50–38:51
• Texans/Colts division race, Ashn Genti outlook: 40:09–41:46
• 311 contest picks, Week 13: 42:09–44:25

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Takeaways for Fantasy Football Managers

• Waiver stashes: Dylan Sampson is a recommended risk/reward add for RB depth.
• Vikings: Steer clear of JJ McCarthy in redraft; target offense only if QB situation stabilizes.
• Bucs WRs: Time to cut White; Godwin is a tougher drop, but upside is limited ROS.
• Cowboys & Rams: Target these teams for high-upside offensive pieces. Both have fantasy-friendly schedules ahead.
• George Pickens: Emerging into WR1 territory, though off-field and motivational concerns linger long-term.
• Monitor rookie QBs: Only Caleb Williams is panning out immediately in fantasy; be wary of hype around other rookies.
• Stafford/Houston Outlook: Strong QB streamer (Stafford); don’t overrate Texans as divisional favorites.
• Thanksgiving slate: Stack Cowboys/Rams/Lions players on short week games.

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Listener Questions & Fact or Fiction (select highlights)

• Is Matthew Stafford MVP locked up?
  • Welsh: “He has it right now, but I don’t think it’s like done…” (33:54)
• Will the Texans catch the Colts?
  • All: “Fiction”—the AFC South is still Indy’s to lose.
• Will Ashn Genti be “unlocked” post-Chip Kelly?
  • Slight split, but likely only marginal improvement.
• Can Drake May be a top fantasy QB?
  • Remains startable (QB1 range), but not an elite ceiling due to lack of running/game script.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is packed with deep-dive analysis on NFL rookie development, coaching shakeups, waiver priorities, wide receiver risers (notably George Pickens’ surge), MVP dark horse discussion, and Thanksgiving matchup breakdowns. The hosts' chemistry and blend of humor with sharp insight make this a can’t-miss for serious fantasy players looking ahead to the playoff push.

Transcript

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[A]

Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P. Joe P. Is up here with my two best friends, the Scott Bogman and the Welsh. And it's all of you hanging out on the Twitch. Twitch TV Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be where we hang out every Single Monday at 2pm Eastern. You can watch us live. If you subscribe, you get rid of all those stupid ads and if you're watching on our YouTube channel. Cool, awesome. We appreciate you. Make sure you follow us over there as well. Subscribe to the YouTube channel. And remember, we're giving away free stuff. Not just because it's Thanksgiving and it's out of the goodness of our hearts. We always do giveaways. Show everyone. Sal, this week's giveaway. What do we have here for the people? Oh, it's the teeny tiny loser belt. That's right. For the loser in your league. Only from Trophy Smack. That's right, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware. This can be yours. And remember, if you subscribe to the Twitch you get a one and a half times odds boost of winning the teeny tiny loser belt. No losers here, all winners. Sometimes we just get tired of winning so much. So a lot going on here boys. So much happening right now in the world of NFL. So much news. I. I almost don't know where to start. But I'm going to kick things off here with the start of Shador Sanders because I think there's some implications there especially now we got the news just recently Dylan Gabriel is cleared to play but he ain't gonna play. So Shador takeaways from yesterday obviously was against the Raiders. So we'll keep it with a little bit of a grain of salt. Not a great team. More on them in a second. Welsh, what'd you think of the Shador start on the road. First time out there with a week to work with the ones look like.

[C]

A college quarterback being thrown into an NFL setting is about what it was like, dare you. He made one really great throw to Isaiah Bond, which everyone will focus on. He also made one of the most bonehead, dumbass interception throws to. He saw no defenders near him. Like he's a young quarterback. I think he deserves more credit than being given to that. He's like, he's a three and all this stuff, but he also not that great. Like wasn't using his feet a whole bunch. He had a couple shining spots. Definitely didn't help Jerry Judy making one of the stupidest plays of 2025 as we kind of lead out to the year. But I would give it like a C plus outing. Is a raw quarterback with skills that could be good someday. But let's not pretend that like he is the next coming now.

[A]

He is not.

[C]

That's how I would set it.

[A]

Not the next coming, but probably the best that they have in house. Speaking of the comings, there's also the goings going, being on the other side. Finally, Chip Kelly gone. And we've been railing against this for weeks and weeks. I did not know this box until the firing happened that he was the highest paid offensive coordinator in football. Did you know that?

[B]

Because.

[A]

Because I didn't know that. That blew my mind.

[C]

Did you know Chip Kelly was in the NFL too? Did you know he was even doing anything?

[A]

Listen.

[D]

Any offensive coordinator that allows Geno Smith to pass the ball 44 times is going to get fired. I think that was pretty obvious. You just went and you got a workhorse. You have to run the ball. And you know, with the defense not being completely fixed yet. They're working on it. It's better, but it's still not completely fixed. You need to control the clock. This is why you went out and drafted Ash and Genti that high. So it just wasn't working, you know, and they get behind too quick and you have to throw the ball and Geno just makes massive mistakes still. So it's not like going to Kenny Pickett's going to get that even better. But I don't know. I was more impressed with Shador, I guess than maybe you guys were. But it's probably because a Cleveland C plus is or C C plus in Cleveland. It's like an A minus anywhere else.

[C]

What impressed you? What impressed you besides that?

[D]

The fact that he was the first rookie quarterback to win in Cleveland in their debut in like 17 years.

[A]

He definitely played five.

[C]

Yeah, his 11 completions played a huge role in that win.

[D]

Listen, they won. That's all that matters in Cleveland is just win So I. And this is kind of how we thought this was going to go the entire way anyway. It was going to be Joe Flacco until he got hurt or traded, I guess. So Joe Flacco. And then they were going to go to Gabriel because they drafted him first. And then when that didn't work out, they were going to see what Sanders had at the end of the year, this is exactly the game plan that was going to happen. So you. You give him a long enough leash to suck two, three more starts and you go back to Dylan Gabriel and then you decide, okay, we don't have the answer on our roster. We have to start this whole process over again. And that's what's going to end up happening.

[C]

He gives me anxiety, by the way, just like his interviews. You see his interview after.

[D]

Well, because you're afraid you're going to cringe. Like, what gives you anxiety about.

[C]

He's just like. He's just like, I'm the guy that.

[A]

They'Ve been waiting for. I'm the. I'm the guy. Yeah. I was like, you threw for 209 yards. That's against the Raiders. It's fine.

[C]

There's something off. There's something very like, aderal about him. Like, he's very, like, he's very hyper and he's. I don't know. It's very unselfish.

[A]

He just won his first NFL game. His dad was in the stadium. And remember, yeah, Raiders have a chance to draft him. And remember there was discussions about the Raiders drafting him and then they didn't. So maybe it's a little personal. Like, yeah, I'm going to go out and show you a little bit. And he got the W. So kudos.

[D]

Are we surprised that Deion Sanders son is tripping with confidence? Right. Like, Deion Sanders was all. Always had crazy confidence, so obviously instilled that on his kid. So it's probably a little overboard. Just like Dion was himself. He's not Dion. But Wet Blanket Welsh is here again, bruh. Come on, let us just be happy.

[A]

For Cleveland for one.

[C]

I didn't realize you can.

[A]

Is. Is adoli an adverb? I'm not even sure. Like, what is it? Yes. Okay. There you go.

[C]

Yeah. I'm not saying it is. It's just. It's this very, like. It's this weird energy that he's giving off in that whole thing. I mean, you would have thought he just won the Super Bowl. He's like, man, one, one. One practice. Imagine two practices. Can you imagine three practices Became the. The counter.

[D]

Not two, not three, not four.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well, look, everybody who's here, again, drop your questions in there. We'll get to some Q A in a second. And we love having your fact or fiction, so drop them in there as well. We'll get to them at the end of the show. So again, everybody who's watching on the Twitch live with us right now, drop your factor fiction questions, fantasy related, football related. You know, just Thanksgiving related. I don't care. We'll do all of it today. We're having a fun day today. Also fired. Not just the only, not an OC but also a DC Too. Shane Bowen. Finally. I don't have any more leads the Giants could possibly blow this year, but eventually, you know, it's bad when the interim head coach is like, yo, we got to fire this other guy. You know, how many times have you seen that happen in your life, right? I don't think I've ever heard of that or seen that. And like, well, it kind of came.

[C]

From K. No, no.

[A]

Kafka's been there for one game. What?

[C]

There it is. There it is. You fro. You had a bad freeze there and you didn't know. You were like. And you were there for a little bit.

[A]

I think it was just my attitude about it. But anyway, look, he. Bowen's out. I will say this, though. That game was very entertaining, as is everything that James Winston is a part of. It was a very fun game to watch. I enjoyed the Jameis Winston at one point, too. I shared the same sentiment. Pat and I were talking about it at the end of the waiver wire show yesterday, where it took us a split second to go. Who's that guy that just caught that ball out there and is running for a touch? Oh, wait, it's Jameis Winston. Like, that was great. That. That made my day. It made my afternoon. It was really fun in terms of, like, you know, just, I don't know, the energy that he brings to the games. But it was another game that just slipped through the fingers of the Giants that could easily be a 5, 6 win team right now.

[C]

Would you say that was a great moment? Maybe, like, someone would pick that as their moment of the week.

[A]

I don't know. I don't. Look at what you choose.

[C]

I know.

[D]

I'm just.

[C]

I was just curious. You said it was such a cool moment. Maybe the best of the week. Maybe someone would have picked it as their moment of the week when a host ass. I don't know. Just putting that out there.

[D]

Only thing that Welsh has gotten to the sheet ahead of us to put on in like six weeks. The only thing. And Joe still throws him right under the bus.

[C]

The only thing. I finally got it. I didn't want someone to take it. I'm like, hey, I'm gonna get it. And yes, I agree with you. It was an awesome moment. One of the coolest plays ever unleashed.

[A]

Now we saved some time. You don't have to worry about it later in the show.

[D]

We did.

[A]

All right, let's go to Rose's question here. Do you think Samson is worth a stash? What do you think?

[D]

Yes, 100%. I mean, I agree he looked great and I know they said that Judkins is probably going to be fine and all that, but I think he's a good stash. He's very explosive. Obviously showed off. He reminds me of Devin Singletary coming out of college. Like, very explosive. Maybe can get tracked down, but a lot of dancing in the backfield. So a lot of negative plays but a lot of big burst plays as well.

[A]

Wouldn't you agree? Boggs too, Like Shador Sanders, theoretical. Strong's point is, you know, he gets rid of the football quick, handing the ball off. Both of those things work well with Dylan Sampson. Right. Like a guy that you could just, you know, get rid of that ball out and real quick.

[D]

Yeah. Get him in space. Absolutely.

[A]

Another question from Rose to panic meter on Justin Jefferson. This is a cheer question. J.J. mcCarthy, by the way, is in concussion protocol. Welsh, would you like to take this one from here?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, panic meter. Panic meter might be bigger when J.J. mcCarthy's out there. J.J. mcCarthy is not it. Like he might be it at some point. Like I'm, I, I'm definitely, I'm not a book close type of guy. Like even Chador Sanders. Like I'm making fun. He could end up like making big improvements and be a really good player. JJ McCarthy has some of the intangibles. Not this year. He looks horrifically bad. Like his decision making in the pocket, he, you know what he looks like, I did this like three times in this game. I watch. He looks like he hikes a ball. He comes back and, and then it's like his controller unplugs and he just freezes and he doesn't move. And it's like guys are coming around him and it's like you got to move around the pocket a little bit.

[D]

My controller died.

[C]

The pocket collapses on him every single time. Really bad decision making. So like JJ McCarthy is a general he is not it for this year. He is clearly putting a panic meter on Justin Jefferson. If he's out. I don't know, sometimes the backup quarterback comes in and just slang it to Justin Jefferson. I would say overall Jefferson is, it is looking hard for him to be a top 10 wide receiver rest of year right now.

[A]

It sure is. But I think we talked about last week that this was like the worst case scenario for him to go on the road in an in division game to Green Bay at this stage of his development like was just going to be a hot mess and it was, it was exactly what it was. PPR in a vacuum. Would you drop White and Godwin to pick up Vidal and Rodriguez or Bill, what do you think of this question Box.

[D]

I would, I would drop White for Videl, Godwin for Rodriguez or Bill. I mean you can if you really need an option. Rodriguez get C Rod. Yeah. For the touchdown. Upside. But I, I, I think definitely on White. Godwin is a little more maybe is.

[A]

Hey look, Baker Mayfield obviously going to miss some time too. I would imagine so.

[D]

I mean Bucky might be back though.

[C]

They said, they actually said he might play this week.

[D]

What they said was if he's good until Friday, he will play. That's what Todd Bowles said. So unless he has a setback before Friday, he's going to play. That is what Bull said this morning. So.

[A]

Well, they got last night, that's for sure.

[D]

I don't know if I believe that. But yeah, that was what he said this morning.

[A]

So yeah. And, and that that's one of those things too. Like they're on a bad spot and like this is, you know, they, they lost to the Lions. You know they lost to the Patriots. I know in between there was a bye week and the Saints game. But it's been a lot of losing for the Bucks lately and they're almost. And it's just like one after another after another. And then last night was just.

[D]

Seems like Mike Evans is still pretty important, huh?

[A]

It seems like Mike Evans is still pretty important. But also, you know, Paramount is the health of the quarterback too.

[D]

Bucky too.

[A]

You can't have. And Bucky, you know, you lose enough of these pieces eventually starts to show up in these games. But also defensively, I mean, who is.

[C]

That corner who is talking about Mike Evans here? That guy is a turnstile. Oh my God.

[D]

Well, devonte Adams is also really good.

[C]

He's really good. But that coin, he was frustrated. He stood there and he was just like, like, take me out, dude.

[D]

I Had I had Zion McCollum in an IDP league thinking, man, he sucks. He's going to get so many tackles. They were just touchdowns instead of tackles. So he didn't get any tackles. Ridiculous.

[C]

He's bad.

[A]

All right, what did you guys think of the comeback yesterday, too? Let's talk about the Cowboys and Eagles game there too. That was my upset special of the week. It was looking a little dicey at halftime, but we went upstairs to to have some pizza and stuff and my, my mom came over to see the girls a little bit and a little visit and I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna let this simmer. I feel like this is not done. I still feel like the Eagles are broken. Let's see what the Cowboys are made of. I come back downstairs is the fourth quarter and it's 21. 21. I'm like, yes, this is exactly it. Let's go. Let's have it out there. Certainly a couple moments in that game too, where if you're looking at Saquon Barkley, another turnover there, you know, Saquon hasn't had a run of 15 yards or more in the last three weeks. So, Welsh, I'm going to ask you this question here. Is it time for the Philadelphia Eagles to start opening up this offense and just making Jalen Hurts throw the football more at this point? Because whatever they're trying to do on the ground, it ain't working the way it was last year. And I think it's time to pivot.

[C]

Yeah, it's been like that for weeks and weeks and weeks. And frankly, that's where the game was able to start. Me, what was the. Their first play? A.J. brown. That was my touchdown special on the prop show. A.J. brown, boom, touchdown. He finally had a week. They have needed to be a balanced offense. It's great that they can run. Jalen Hurd sneaks, push Tush pushes, Saquon Barkley. It's all great. But the whole point of that and having such great run game and offensive line should be to also be able to set up a balanced offense to run play action. Two great receivers that can stretch the field. And I, I don't know. I. I still to this moment don't know what. I don't know if it's. Jalen Hurts is not capable of it. Offensive coordinators are too stubborn. If they don't trust something and I don't, that is. But they've always needed to open this up. And what was that first quarter they found success. They threw the ball Defensively, they were rocking like they were putting all the pieces together, and I just don't know why they backtrack. And that's what they did. They just back. Okay, we're going to back to running. Like, what can you do about Saquon having his first fumble and God knows how long. Like, that's bad luck. The special teams play. We're going to talk about, like, there's a couple bad luck things that happen in there. Sure. But it was foot on the gas and then they just stalled out and multiple. I just. I don't understand why they do this and why they can't find some innovation in their offense when you have the pieces. Not like they don't have the pieces. They've gotten the pieces and they just keep going down this, this road.

[A]

Boggs is a huge game here on Thanksgiving Day in the middle of the day where you've got Dallas Cowboys hosting the Kansas City Chiefs. Both teams desperately need this game. I feel like. I feel like this is the best slate of three games that we've ever had on Thanksgiving. I don't know hyperbolic, but I'm thinking about all three of them going, all right, well, Lions, packers, that's always going to be good. And it's in Detroit and you know there's going to be scoring because it's in Detroit and I know Love's banged up, so we'll see. Maybe, you know, the limitations this week don't carry over for next week. He didn't have to do a whole lot against the Vikings, just hand the ball off to Emmanuel Wilson a million times, and that worked. But then you've got this incredible game in the middle. And then at night, the return, theoretically, of Joe Burrow against the Ravens in division opponent, you know, that's a huge game always between those two rivals. But this middle game here, Boggs, like the Cowboys George Pickens, has played out of his mind. The Cowboys defensively have gotten better since that trade deadline, too. Right. You know, they're getting better against the run a little bit. They're slowing things down a little bit there. This is going to be fascinating because.

[D]

There'S a part of me in the NFL, I.

[A]

You know what? I think it's the most explosive. I. I think that's okay to say. Right?

[D]

What do you think? I mean, are they the best? Name me a better offense than the guy.

[A]

I mean, are the Rams better?

[C]

I mean, the Rams are really good.

[D]

Are they better?

[A]

Rams, I'd say, are the best football team right now. Like, if you said who's the best team?

[D]

Like the. The. The defense sucks for. For Dallas. Even with the improvements, it's still below average. Right.

[A]

Agreed, but. Agreed.

[D]

But that offense might be the best unit in the game right now.

[C]

It's one of the best. It's like.

[D]

It's one of the best.

[C]

It's probably top three in. If you were to put these pieces together. I mean, we didn't really get to see it and I. It's probably stupid but like, I don't know the Bengals when like Joe Burrows going Higgins and Chase Bright. Like if all the pieces were working, there's something there. But. That's right. But right now I would say the only two I can think of are the Rams. And the Cowboys are the first immediate to mine.

[A]

If you look at scoring right now, total touchdowns on the year, The Colts have 40. The Jonathan Taylor has 27 of those. I think the Lions are 40, the Bills at 39, the Rams at 39.

[D]

Lions are very.

[C]

Lions would be the other top three.

[A]

Yeah, but the Lions are very inconsistent. They are great at home, not so great on the road. And I guess the same about the Cowboys, right? Patriots are 37. If you told me the Patriots and the Cowboys had the same amount of touchdowns this year, I would have thought you were nuts. Like I never would have thought that in my brain. But they have. And I think that's a really. Drop your comments in here on the Twitch. Who. Who has the best offense right now in the NFL? Is it the Cowboys? Is it one of these other teams? Black Mamba says Rams 100% Joe with.

[C]

The most leading question of all time, is it the Cowboys or is it these other stupid things that you guys would think you only said the Cowboys, Cowboys, Rams, Lions. I think those are the top three.

[D]

If Joe can be my lawyer anytime.

[A]

If you don't leave the herd to the wife, they're gonna die. They need to drink Welsh.

[D]

They're all stupid. They'll never find it themselves.

[A]

Obviously Rams resort Bergman taking it seriously saying the Saints. That's what I mean. This is what I want. This is what I want. A little bit of everything here.

[D]

Tyler Shuck got those boys rolling.

[A]

Let's get to takeaways and maybe a couple moments for myself and Bogman since Welsh already talked about his takeaway. Well, in all fairness. Well, you kind of stole my takeaway thunder, so I'll keep this brief. The Vikings might be rebuilding next year and I know that sounds a little crazy, but defensively they have not played well. The quarterback situation is a Big giant question mark. So they let Darnold walk. They put all the eggs in the McCarthy basket. I think to Welsh's point earlier, that doesn't look good right now. So at the very least you're going to get some sort of veteran. Now, if Jacoby Brissette walks because Arizona has a clearing of the house and everybody there, maybe, I mean, you give me Jacoby Brissette with Justin Jefferson, I'm going to be a very happy boy.

[C]

Let me ask you.

[A]

I'm good with that.

[C]

Let me ask you on this because I think it's key then.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

What? Have a definitive take on JJ McCarthy. Is he it or do you think he is going to like be the guy and he's gonna be a top 10 quarterback or is he just not.

[A]

Good at the risk? Look, I don't want to go full Stephen A. Here because I don't like that stuff because I think the real honest answer do it. What you gotta understand, Welsh, is that we are at a point right now in JJ McCarthy's development where we are looking at a young man who isn't getting an opportunity, who hasn't played football in a year. And now you're asking him in the middle of the season, in the middle of the season, you're asking him to get up there and make these play. He ain't gonna be able to do it. He can't do it. No, but seriously, I think the problem is you're asking him after a year of not playing football to come in kind of mid season and get that development learning on the job and it's going to be so many growing pains. The thing you wanted to see, I think was moments. Moments where you go, yeah, okay. And we saw one, I remember, against the Bears early on the season. Moments where you go, okay, yeah, there's glimmers of hope here that we can get through this rough patch this year and we're going to have growing pains in the next year. By the end of the season, you're going to get a kid and we're going to go. I haven't seen enough of those. So I am panicked.

[C]

And I think like that's like the Drake May thing. Like last year it was like Drake May was fine, you know, but Drake. No, I know, that's what I'm saying. Like Drake May's rookie year to JJ McCarthy this year, they don't look remotely close to the same thing. And like, I'm not trying to say JJ McCarthy is the worst thing in the world, but like he doesn't look good. So if you are sitting here talking about this rebuild and they would consider bringing in another quarterback. Oh, how about this one for doesn't work.

[A]

Okay, but Winston on the Vikings, you.

[C]

Like Winston, but this does mean you think. And they would think he is nothing because the only reason you bring in a guy like Winston, maybe not Winston, but like Jacoby Brissetta or, you know, it would be a Mac Jones or something, is because you do not believe McCarthy is the future. Yeah.

[A]

Well, look, my takeaway is I think the Vikings have a lot of soul searching to do. They went from being a team that was looking like they were on the uptick here, going big time up there, and then all of a sudden falling out. Now, speaking of falling out, did Scott Bogman fall out?

[C]

Why'd you disappear?

[A]

He must click the wrong button. Your takeaway at the same time and hopefully he'll come back in the show. Okay, so what happened to Skip Bayless? You know what happened, Stephen A. They got in a big fight. Next thing you know, Skip Bayless goes down.

[C]

By the way, I did mine as a joke. I. I turned my camera off as a joke. Joke. I was like, whoop, let's get out of here. But then I oh, no. I came back.

[A]

Now you're Scott.

[C]

Someone dragged me back over.

[A]

I didn't need to do that. Drag Welsh back over there. I don't. I can't do it, though.

[C]

Maybe Bogman's just gone. All right.

[A]

But as on out of bounds, everybody.

[C]

I think Bachman will agree with me on this take.

[A]

And poor Sal, he's filling in for Seth today, who took the day off the holidays. Sal's got to deal with us. It's the worst. God bless.

[C]

It's chaos. Matthew Stafford. This is my takeaway. Could have thrown nine touchdowns in that game if he wanted to. He without question. Matthew Stafford. What is happening here? We got the chat.

[A]

Good times.

[C]

This is good.

[A]

I like the middle.

[C]

I'm going to finish my thought while they work on this stuff. But Matthew Stafford 100% could have thrown nine touchdowns in that game. The way that they sliced that Bucks offense or defense was absolutely ridiculous. Devonte Adams did what he did whatever he wanted at will. Pukina Kui did that. And it made me just now I'm just in the solo. It made me.

[A]

Why do we get a one? Why does.

[C]

We're gonna get one shot.

[A]

I I didn't get a one shot for my Stephen A. Smith rant, but he gets a one shot. I this is great. I am Furious. I am gonna speak to upper management. That's what I'm gonna do.

[C]

But it, it opened up more, I think, especially me being open to the conversations of the MVP. He has a 30 touchdown to 2 interception ratio right now. They just took the, the foot off the gas just in being nice to the rest of the team. He 100% could have had five or six touchdowns. I don't think I had sat back and given enough credit to like how good Matthew Stafford really was. But that offense is ridiculous. The combination of Devon, of Devonte Adams and Pukinakua is top notch. He might legitimately throw 50 touchdowns and have less than five picks. So you know, it doesn't feel like we should be giving the credit to an mvp, but we really should. Matthew Stafford is the only quarterback every single week. On any book you look at that is 2.5 plus touchdowns to bet every single week. And it's like the only thing that you can do. So I was just extra, extra impressed by Matthew Stafford in that game and, and really that they could have done whatever the hell they wanted. Like they just stopped scoring and we could have had, we might have had a, like a record setting game there.

[A]

Yeah, it's very possible, that's for sure. All right, we'll see if we can get Scott Bogman.

[C]

Text me. His power just went out. They have a huge thunderstorms in Texas.

[A]

He did say it was raining a lot, so there you go. Yeah, that's what happens. Thor showed up, so that's okay. Scott Bogman, he'll be back on betting pros tomorrow. Don't worry. I'll just run through his and see. Put it. He did all the work to put him on there. So Bog's big takeaway was George Pickens belongs in the group with Chase, Jefferson, Lamb and Puka. He does statistically this year, but I'm telling you right now, Welsh, as soon as he gets paid, he's gonna dip again. He won't be at meetings. He'll do all that crazy. I mean he's already kind of doing it anyway. But with the Cowboys it's just more acceptable behavior than it is in other organizations.

[C]

Let me ask you this. Do you think picking. Because I'm not sure I 100 agree with that. Because did he put like. Because that. Because he didn't say. JSN Bachman, by the way, has such a weird hatred for jsn.

[A]

He is, he is the best receiver.

[C]

In the NFL right now.

[A]

And I have to say Jake Seeley was the one guy who I think went was higher on JSN than anybody in preseason. All of our conversations, and I wish I had heard that a little bit more.

[C]

I took JSN in the Flex league and me and Boggs had an argument and we have that shared league in the pentathlon. We had an argument about JSN and there was no jsn.

[A]

Why don't we put a pin in that and let's get Sal a second to get the boards up. In the meantime, if you haven't already, join our discord again fantasypros.com chat that's where you can go and keep the conversation going and you could talk with some of your best friends or make new friends again. If you're talking waiver wires, if we're talking trades, if we're talking Dynasty, whatever it might be. There's baseball on there too. There's NBA stuff. Everything's on our discord. But mostly football because like, that's what we do. So fancy. Prose.com/chat. That's the place to be.

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[A]

And it looks like Bogman's back. So Boggs, I want you to explain your George Pickens take. See, there we go. We just boom. Now everything's back to normal. And I want all of this to stay on the YouTube. I want no edits. This is why we do the show the way we do it.

[D]

This will be interesting. The power went out here. We're having massive thunderstorm up animals two by two.

[C]

I was just, I was just about to like. I don't know if I agree in because what you did reason we were talking about JSN is because you left JSN off this elite wide receiver group and he's better than everybody.

[A]

Maybe he just thinks JSN is higher than everybody.

[C]

I don't know. I don't think I agree that the Pickens has to be in the puka and the chase and stuff like that. I think he's maybe the tier below. But I really thought it was interesting and that's what I was about to ask Joe is like is Pickens better than Lamb at this point? Pickens is. Lamb has just been Mr. Drops all season kind of inconsistent and Pickens is the pillar of consistency right now. I know Dredis was talking about George. I think it was CD Lam earlier in the chat. But like is it Pickens over Lamb at this point for you, Boggs? Because you're putting him in that group. But what do you think?

[D]

I mean I in just in the group and yes, you're right JSN. I just at 2am in the morning last night I did forget to add.

[C]

No, it's because you don't like apologize don't like him.

[D]

I apologize to you guys about that and to everyone else for my power going down. How dare I not get a generator back up to immediately bounce that.

[A]

But you were a real patriot. You'd have that backup. You'd be in that shelter. The thing with all the cans of food.

[D]

If I was a real patriot, I'd be stealing it from my neighbor. But anyway, look, I just think that, you know who's number two in scoring right now? It's in half PPR in points per game. It is 17 for Puka and George Pickens behind the 19 and a half per game for JSN. So he's right there, I think. You know, obviously we had CD Lamb have the injury early in the season and maybe he's still not 100% from that. And even with the injury, he's still amazing. So better than Lamb. I don't know, but they at least have to be in the same category. Pickens has been tearing it up and this is his first year with Dak. I think it's only going to get better moving forward.

[C]

So you're going to rank him that next year. Like, if he leaves the Cowboys, you're going to put him.

[A]

See, my. My question about Pickens box is when he gets paid, what happens? Because, like these guys always ball out when the money's on the line, then they get paid. And this, this guy has a long history going back to the Georgia days of being a problem child. So, like that, that's my deal is like this.

[C]

And they get hurt and then they get their contracts voided and they won't play and they wear different shorts. And their problem, they went to asu.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

If.

[D]

If you want to put Pickens down a rung because of his antics, whatever you want to call it, attitude, whatever, I completely agree with that and I. That's why the Steelers got rid of him. Do you know he has more receiving yards than every Steelers wide receiver combined right now? He has like 1044. It's like 1009 for all the Steelers wide receivers combined right now. So the talent has always been upper echelon for Pickens. The brain has been 10 cents. If you can get that fixed, then he's going to be great. He's going to be one of the best.

[A]

You can't fix then. I don't think that's getting fixed, bro. He's got a question. Nagbuka or Tet? Rest of season, boys. Let's help him out.

[C]

I'll go egg buka still, but I.

[A]

Still go egg buca also.

[C]

This is on the heels of like this game is going to be tonight, Ted. A row might have 47 receptions versus the Niners, but I'll go.

[A]

Well, I mean, yeah, talk about turnstiles, man. That's where they are. All right, Bog, so give us Your moment and then I'll give you mine and we can move on to some.

[C]

Other fun things because we all know mine.

[D]

TJ Watt. TJ Watt passing his brother JJ Watt on the all time sack list was pretty cool to see, even in a loss. It was also a strip fumble in the end zone that her big fell on for a touchdown. And J.J. watt was calling the game. His whole family, like, the whole Watt family was there. This is just a pretty cool moment to see because Welsh obviously picked the best moment of Jameis Winston scoring that touchdown and hitting the Heisman, naturally. A little bit of a natural Heisman pose in that he's got the size.

[A]

And he had a little bit of moves, too. Would you throw him out there as a, as a slot receiver and you know, like an Arande?

[C]

Yeah, dude, taste him too. You know what I kept thinking about? I. The whole game I kept thinking about. I wanted to go live bet a rushing touchdown because there's only, like, if I. I could definitely have this. Incorrect. I think there's only two players in NFL history that have thrown, caught, and rushed for a touchdown in the. In NFL history. Do you guys know who those two players are? There might be more, but there's two in my mind.

[D]

Jerry Rice has to be one of them.

[C]

Jerry Rice, 100% number one. That's right. That is number two. Yeah, that's right. Those two both have thrown.

[A]

That wasn't the first one I brought in my head. Rice I wouldn't have gotten necessarily, necessarily.

[C]

Yeah, Jerry did it.

[A]

My other one would have been Walter Payton because he used to throw the football a lot.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, Jerry did it. But I was thinking, Winston's got a rush for a touchdown right now. He's got to do the whole thing. But yeah, he looked fantastic. It was the coolest play I've seen all year.

[A]

All right, drop your fact and fictions and everybody. We're gonna play that next again. It could be whatever fact and fictions you want. Could be NFL related, fantasy related, whatever you like to do. Mine was Elijah Clark special teams play. I had the Jamir Gibbs in there originally because that was pretty awesome. But that was more like, I can't believe the Giants couldn't get a single hand on this guy ever. It was stunning to watch that defense just collapse. And look, Jabir Gibbs is great, but first play of the overtime, not a hand on him. 80 yards. I mean, bro, like, let's get real.

[D]

You see the meme of the. The warthog just running past the Lions. The Lions being Like, what is this? Why are you running in front of us?

[A]

Like.

[D]

I saw it said Jameer Gibbs running past the Giants defense in overtime.

[A]

So instead of special, I gave a special teamer the award this week. Because if you watch the replay there, he's the gunner on the, on the return team there and he is getting his butt kicked. He has got knocked down like three times on the way to find the returner and he still pursues and he gets to the returner, pops him, knocks the ball out. And I was just like, that is effort and that's just again effort on the football field. All times. Every play, every play there's a moment where you can make something happen. And that was a great thing to see. And I think that's the kind of moments that start me wondering maybe the Cowboys do have a little run in them. This could be really interesting. All right, I'm going to give you a fact of fiction because I see a bunch of them falling in here. Fact or fiction? Last night, Matthew Stafford solidified is MVP odds. It's him now, Scott Bogman. Is it over at MVP factor fiction?

[D]

Absolutely not. So a lot of season left, so.

[A]

No way. All right, Welsh, what do you think?

[C]

Well, I mean I just, I had my solo screenshot on Matthew Stafford talking here. I think he has it right now, but I don't think it's like done Drake May. I mean Drake is a couple weeks. We. We need a couple big ones coming up here. But Drake may can definitely vie for it. But I do think he is the front runner right now.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[C]

Holding on and he's holding on to a pretty tight.

[A]

And he's never won one. And it's like the, you know, it's like Al Pacino. Is it his best film? No, but it's, you know, eventually you give him an award, you give him an Oscar because he's Al Pacino. Same thing here with Matthew Stafford. Here's one from Axel. Fact or fiction? We need to give Caleb his flowers. Oh, this was so tough for me because the Bears of the Bears come back to me on this one.

[D]

Well, come back to you. They're eight and three.

[C]

I, I gotta tell you, like I, I was like, how the hell did the Bears becoming it in three? I like, I did not. I wasn't locked into it or whatever.

[A]

I was collapse around them. Collapse around. Like they're playing the teams that you look at them and you go, you look at the schedule and you go, they suck. They suck. They were all teams that were supposed to be Better than they are. But that's, they're getting them in a.

[C]

Row and that's always the Bears. The Bears are always the team. They're like, they suck. They suck. We can beat them. What I'm getting at, like, I just haven't been paying ATT like standings or whatever and obviously I knew the Bears were being good, but I was like, wow, they're eight and three. Caleb is making a bunch of better decisions again. Why? You know, guys like J.J. mcCarthy and Shador and everybody, you know can progress as you learn the NFL more and it slows down for you. That was clearly something that needed to happen to Caleb. He's still great on his feet. He's taking advantage of spots you need to take advantage of. I do think Caleb deserves those flowers because he's had some big games and some big spots and he's leading this team into some, into some big stuff. I mean Bears playoff team is not something that many would have expected.

[A]

All right, Boggs, what are your thoughts? You want to give them the flowers obviously? Yeah.

[D]

I mean this team is great and they surrounded him with talent, which is what you're supposed to do.

[A]

It's a great team, the Bears.

[D]

I, I, I, I think they're very good team. I think they have easily a shot to win this division, so. And it's a great division. You have to say that. I mean it's a great division.

[A]

I think they're every team. I think the word I want to use is has improved.

[D]

I, they need help on defense. But Caleb, like listen, this is, this is the game plan. This is what the Browns have never done for a quarterback. You get the quarterback and then you immediately surround him with weapons. That's what the Lions did when they got golf as well. So you just, you put the best weapons around that guy to give him no excuses to, to fail. And he now that he has great playmakers, he's not failing and the numbers aren't like incredibly better. I think his turnover worthy plays, it's turn the turnover where they play percentage is a little bit higher than it was last year but they make the plays around. And Montez sweat is getting to quarterbacks. It's working.

[C]

Yeah, you get young quarterbacks guys really good. Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Aaron Jones and they just easily succeed. That's what you do.

[D]

Yeah, but well the difference is, is that McCarthy has his entire rookie year and then most of his second year so far. So that's, we got, we got to give McCarthy a little bit of Runway.

[A]

In My opinion there's injuries there as well. Well, life with five Factor Fiction. Drake May will be a mediocre fantasy QB going forward. I say fiction and it's not because I'm a Patriots.

[D]

Is the schedule terrible for the Patriots moving?

[A]

No. I mean, they play. They, they have to play Baltimore. They have another game coming up too, against a good team. I can't remember off the top. I have to look at the schedule if you want to pull that up.

[C]

But this week they've got the Giants.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, they're going to put up points against the Giants, that's for sure. Everybody puts up points against the Giants. It was also good to see yesterday.

[D]

Giants, Bills, Ravens. Chills.

[A]

That was the other one. They had another Bills.

[D]

You know, they had the bye week too.

[C]

So you know how it become mediocre quarterback? It's actually. I mean, I've tried to give Vi his, his flowers on this all year long because, you know, he's the guy that's like, he could be a top five guy. But my problem in the preseason with Drake May was always like the argument around it was like, well, he's going to run more and they're going to do all these new, like, you know, designs and they don't. But they don't. And they still don't. So like for, for him to be mediocre. I think what happens is they are in situations for games that he doesn't have to do a lot, you know, like playing a team like the Giants. Maybe, maybe not this week, but you know, the Giants, they've got a running game that's working. He doesn't run the whole season long. They haven't designed stuff for him. So if they can win games where they can control the clock, he doesn't have to throw a bunch. They can give the ball to Travy. On Henderson, he kind of does become a mediocre quarterback if he's throwing 230 with one touchdown every single game. Like that's. You need him to be slanging the ball. So you actually kind of want a little bit more competitive. That's just like a devil's advocate conversation to it. I would agree. I'm going to say like, no, because I just think he's super talented. But there is something about the weapons around him, his inability to want to run or the team to design runs that kind of like caps some of the value. And at this day and age, you kind of need to throw two touchdowns and go 222, 40 in every game to be in like the.

[A]

Well that's what's so stunning Welsh is that he was going into this week he was leading the league in passing yards right. Without having one 300 yard game. So that's just how you like the consistency of what he's doing every week.

[C]

Eight straight games of two touchdowns and like that's just going away as well. That's what makes last five games.

[D]

He's QB11, he's QB7 on the season. So he definitely ballooned like week three to week seven right there was like his. His great pocket but he's still going to be a QB one.

[A]

So between him and dad Guy Fitz he was even higher than me but like 10 is like if he finishes his time. That's exactly where I thought he would be at the end of the year if somebody.

[D]

Somebody has him and Dak, like that's just a great problem to have right? Is you know who do you start every single day?

[A]

Because again the liability that's the Cowboys defense from a fantasy perspective. I just always feel there's always going to be the need like to Welsh's point there's going to be more need to pressure games.

[D]

Whereas the Cowboys, you get up 21, you're handing that ball to Henderson Stevenson.

[A]

Thank God we're not getting it to Stevenson as much too. That was a great thing to see. This is a funny one from Rose. I just want to throw this out there. Factor fiction. Kami Fair bearing keeps outperforming my tight ends. I'm going to say fact because you dropped that question. All right. That's probably a fact everybody. I'm just guessing out there. Let's go to money's question here. Factor fiction. The Texans win their division over the Colts Bogs.

[D]

No, I have false. I think. I think the Colts are still pretty good, you know and I just. They choke that game against the Chiefs. They should have won that. That's still a really good team. Texans just don't have enough on offense right now. I think you know, Davis Mills has been doing. Has been playing very well. They had the big comeback. Also that defense is sick. But the defense is sick in Cleveland too. If you don't have enough offense, you can't get the dubs.

[A]

This is a very important one.

[C]

Texans by the way, aren't even second in the division. I just want to point out that's a Jag, so that's a great. I'd also say fiction.

[A]

I agree. Fictional. Fact or fiction? Chip Kelly's gone. Ash and Genti will be unlocked from Here on out, I want to say fact, but the schedule is also not great. So will they unlock him? Yes, fact, they'll unlock him. Probably get into the football more, but I don't know if it's going to equate to him, you know, a lot of top three finishes. That's how I feel about it. Welsh, how do you feel?

[C]

Yeah, I'm going to say like fiction, because I think the version of whatever unlocked is for him has already happened where they're throwing him the ball a whole bunch. They're going to be behind and, you know, every single game. So it's going to be hard for them to be running the ball a whole lot in like the third and fourth quarter and they're already passing him the ball. Maybe like I'm open to it, but like I'm gonna say fiction because now we are starting to get a little bit more of it. But the. The misuse is weird. I don't even know if it's necessarily Chip Kelly.

[D]

Yeah. You know, when you fire a coordinator like that, usually you go, okay, let's streamline this offense. Let's just get the ball to our best players. But they've already been doing that, so how much more can you.

[A]

Yeah, so maybe, maybe protect the quarterback a little bit more too.

[D]

Maybe don't let him throw 44 times.

[A]

And don't let him throw 44 times. Yeah, that also. All right, let's take a look at the 311 contest. 300 yard passer, rusher, 100 yard receiver last week, bogman. Let's see. We gotta look here because Stafford didn't. Where did Stafford finish last night? Because I had updated this before. Stafford's finished 270, 273.

[C]

Oh, you almost got 311.

[A]

311. You almost got the full boat.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You got two, you got Gibbs, you got JSN. Good on you. I just got. I'm on raw. And Welsh is just not good at this game. It's just not.

[C]

I. I do have Teoa tonight, but I.

[A]

That's right. You're still in play for one, so we can always update. So we'll keep that in mind. So I will. I will highlight that accordingly. Welsh, why don't you kick us off, try to shake off the mojo a little bit. Give us your 311 for week 13 in the NFL.

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Yeah, I have to have a first off. I'm always last to this contest ad so these guys are going to get the big guys, but I also have to make a concerted effort to Pick different players in you. If I am going to make any type of run, we're about done. Like I have half of what Bogman does so I need to have some crazy weeks. So I've got a couple, a couple of off the wall picks. I'm going with Sam Darnold versus the Minnesota Vikings. Obviously, you know JSN alone is good for a buck fifty for him. He's just going to have to get the other guys involved. It's heavy pass, don't think they're going to lean on the run. Sam Darnold, Minnesota 300. My hundred yard rusher. About R.J. harvey versus the commanders this week. Commander's defense is Tarash. R.J. harvey breaks a couple big ones and then I'm going to go with the return of Joe Burrow. So give me Jamar Chase and the return of Jamar Chase after Spitgate going against the Baltimore Ravens. Give me 100 yards receiving. There's no T. Higgins in that game. Joe Burrows should throw at least 15 times to Jamar Chase. So 300, 100, 100. For very different names than what you guys have. You guys have all the cream of the crop and I have these guys.

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I actually like your guy. I like to chase take too, especially.

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Because I like RJ Harvey too.

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It's good. Well, that would be nice to see. We'll see the buy how everybody reacts. Boggs, where are you going for 311 this week?

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Yeah, if you want to be right. So Josh Allen at Pittsburgh. I just think that look they, they really need to get back on board here. The Steelers secondary is still questionable. They've been playing better recently. But I got Josh Allen in that one for my 100 yard rusher after a couple fumbles. I think Saquon is going to want to make up for that. We've also had a lot of injuries to the linebacking core of Chicago. So let's go with Saquon against Chicago on Friday and then Puka Nakua at Carolina. We know he's going to get 15 targets. So let's go with Puka here against Carolina.

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Okay. And for me this week I'm going to be going with Patrick Mahomes at Dallas. That's right. Thanksgiving 300. Let's go. Then Devon Hn against the New Orleans Saints. Again, fresh off a buy. That's a good thing, I think. And then JSN against Minnesota because, well, I mean JSN is just playing out his mind right now. I mean some of these weeks where he doesn't get 100. He's at like 97. He actually the one other week I feel like I picked him recently he was at. He just missed 100 so hopefully not this time. That's where we want to go. And of course make sure you subscribe to our twitch channel, twitch TV, fantasy pros, and our YouTube channel as well. Like this video, share it around and you know, drop your comments below. Remember, we're giving away free stuff. The teeny tiny belt could be yours from Trophy Smack. And that's the loser award for the biggest dumpster fire in your league. It's very funny. It's a, it's a good time there and the holidays around the corner makes a nice little stocking stuffer. That's how it is. So we want everyone to have a wonderful Thanksgiving again. We appreciate everybody who always joins us live, especially on the show. This is the People show. We love when you're here asking your questions. Hang out with us again. We appreciate you greatly and we look forward to seeing you all after Thanksgiving. It's a really great Thanksgiving slate. We got Black Friday game too, between two, eight and three teams. That should be great. Sunday's gonna be great. Everything's gonna be great and we're gonna come back on Monday next week and talk all about it again. That'll do it for us. But the story of the game goes on. For Bogman and the Welsh, I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids. Adios. Happy Turkey Day.

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