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Welcome in everybody, to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P, Joe P. Is up here with my two best friends, Bogman and Welsh. And it's all of you hanging out on our Twitch Twitch TV Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be, kids, where you can hang out with us, talk football. Watch these two wonderful, brilliant, handsome gentlemen play John Madden football all the time, all over the place. You can also check out our regular YouTube channel where you're watching us on demand. It's been a very long holiday week for everybody. Lots of leftovers. I think we're all past that. We have to start eating other food now. You can't keep eating the same sides over and over again. I don't care what anybody tells you, gentlemen, it was a mostly fun weekend. I thought it was a great holiday weekend of games. In terms of the Thursday games, the Friday Black Friday game, unless you are of course, an Eagles fan, in which case it wasn't the best for you. Also Sunday, some upsets, some incredible plays. Of the three great catches, the Traylon Burks catch, the Puka Nakua catch, the Brock Bowers catch, Welsh. What was the most impressive of those three incredible catches to you?
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Oh, give them to me again.
B
It was the Traylon Burks one, the Washington one at night on some. That one.
D
Okay, well, I will say though, I agree. I will say though, the Brock Bowers one had so many implications that whole drive because I was going down to just needing an Ashton Genti touchdown. That's all I needed for this big, nice payout. And then Geno Smith trips over his own stupid feet, falls backwards and then I would. I was a little bit excited when it looked like he threw the ball away. And you could argue that the Brock Bowers one is more impressive because the Traylon Burks one's ridiculous. But Brock Bowers, it looked like balls on the ground. It was a complete throwaway.
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He.
D
The ball threw. And I was like, okay, we're gonna go to third down. And they're like, he caught it. And you go back and look, yeah, that was an incredible catch. So it really does belong in there.
B
I didn't think he caught it, like, at first, I was like, oh, there's no way that's a catch. And then as soon as I saw the replay, I could. Oh, my. I was like, oh. Said before, I was like, Chris Farley in Tommy Boy. Oh, my God, Smoking this cigar, you know, Next thing you know, you know, you know, your daughter's knocked up, and you know, what the hell's going on. But it was Brock. Yeah. Brock Bower's catcher was almost impossible. It was. But I think the level of difficulty bogs on the Trailon perks one, which it was almost like I had to dial my brain, too.
C
I'm like, also, we're used to Brock Bowers doing amazing things. It's like 50 on the amazing things that Brock Bowers has done. Traylon Burks being healthy enough to be on the field is a miracle. And then making that catch is awesome as well. The very thing that I did that second, as soon as Traylon Burks caught that, I text Fitz, and I was like, I'm back on the trail on Burks train. Let's go, baby. This is awesome.
B
Yeah.
C
Look, he was amazing in Arkansas. Obviously, things didn't work out in the NFL, but if he's got catches like that in the bag, he can stay on the field for sure. He's just got to stay healthy.
B
Yeah. Loving seeing all these people again. Look, we're gonna do factor fiction later in the show. We're gonna do the questions with the asses. Where the asses you ask the questions. So dropping your questions again. No start sit stuff. It's too early for that. Okay. And no stuff about Monday Night Football, because this comes out on Tuesday. So ask us some general stuff, what you're looking forward to, your playoff push, things, you know, some guys in the waiver wire you want to add. We could talk about that. Whatever you want. And also, again, love the fact or fiction. So drop them in there. We'll do them later in the show. We'll recap our 311 contest and see how things are doing. And also, we got some giveaways as well. So let's see what today's giveaway is for the week. I know it's a Trophy Smack one. Let's see what we got. Oh, it's the teeny tiny loser belt. That's what it is. Subscribers here again subscribe to the channel. Get rid of those nasty commercials, use your Amazon prime for five bucks over on our Twitch, and you can win the teeny tiny loser belt right here from Trophy Smack, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware. We love this. This is for the loser in your life or, or your league, whoever you want to give it to or you can keep it yourself. I wonder how small this belt is. That's. That's the curiosity. I haven't seen this one up close. I've seen the full size belts. I've got a couple of them. I've seen the rings. Have not seen the teeny tiny loser belt. I hope it's comically small, Bogs. That's what I hope.
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Well, I mean, the big ones aren't going around my waist either, so we should get you.
D
You know what, Joe? We should get you one. You deserve the loser. You deserve it.
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I'll tell you what. And I be one or two leagues this year where it's. I drafted one too many commanders. I might end up with that. It's certainly going to be out there. All right, let's talk about a lot of things here, Bogs. I want to start with this too. At the top, is it time for a. An amicable divorce between the Steelers and Mike Tomlin? I don't think that they're gonna find a better coach. Wow, that was quick. I don't think they're gonna find a better coach, but sometimes it just feels like it's time to just.
C
The message is over right there is done. Yeah.
B
When did you have that inkling that you could answer it so quickly?
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I mean, when the whole crowd started chanting fire Tomlin last night, I was like, that's. That's a wrap.
B
That's tough. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, they've never done that in all the time that he's been there. Now they did chant fire Canada, right. And that happened a couple of years ago and they brought in. Oh, wow, so much better. Arthur Smith, right. So much better than Matt Canada. He is better, but maybe by 2%. I'm just. The ERA is over. I. You know, we're going to have a lot of guys retire after this season as well. Cam Hayward's going to be gone. Aaron Rodgers obviously going to be gone, so might as well just hit the reset button on this. They have not figured out the quarterback since Ben left haven't won a playoff game since 2016. You know the page. Someone, someone in the Steelers subreddit said it like this, Joe. The Patriots have won six Super Bowls, lost Tom Brady, been terrible, drafted a quarterback and are now looking to be the number one seed again since the Steelers have even won a playoff game. So yeah, I think this, it's over. It's time to punch the reset button and find somebody new.
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Yeah, look at that. That chanting at the end was tough. I saw that last night and I was just like, wow, that's probably. And I, and I think they still, the fan base still appreciates Tomlin in a weird like, no way you don't appreciate what Tomlin's done for your organization. The fact you've had three coaches since 1960 is mind boggling.
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The jets had more popes than head coaches.
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The jets have had that many coaches like in the last three years practically. Like, I mean, it's just crazy how you've gone through these things. By the way, our incredible producer Seth is having the best week ever because the Bears are the number one seed right now on Sunday morning. He was wearing all of his Bears gear. He was so excited. He's also got his secondary Bears gear on today. Y' all can't see him, but I can. He's got the hat on, he's got the everything going on. And I want to talk about the Bears. Welsh, I'm going to ask you about that game now. I had the Bears to cover and not only did they cover, they won outright. I saw this amazing thing online here where this kid put out there. He said every time SAQUON Barkley's like 19 years old on the tick tock, right? He's, he's out there and he's saying, if you watch this closely, every time Saquon Barkley moves his head in the backfield, it's a pass play and every time he looks forward, it's a run play. Watch this. And then he shows another play and another play and I'm like, oh my God, this kid has cracked the code here. This is fascinating. And I'm thinking, well, if this 19 year old kid picked this up, teams in the NFL pick this up too. Do you think that might have something to do with not just like offensive line being different, but also what's going on here with the Eagles and this offense, like the predictability of what's going on here with this play calling and maybe kind of like a pitcher. I'm talking to the baseball guy here. The Pitcher tipping pitches. Is Saquon hurting the Eagles and not even realizing it?
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I mean, we don't have like evidence of that, but possible. I mean, like they could have caught on to it also, like a 19 year old kid catching this type of stuff. That's actually not an uncommon thing. I could see just NFL guys just completely looking past that type of stuff. But now that that's out there, sure. Total possibility, I thought. I continuously think it's the play calling. Like that's it. Like the end. They've. They found points of being successful when they change up the play calling. But the entire season it's been like, don't run or. Yeah, it's like they do the opposite run. They're not setting up the run to set up play action passes. It's like they're passing in run situations and then they just go into heavy run modes. Maybe Saquon is. I'm totally open for it. I actually would have loved to have seen the video on here.
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That would have been, you know, I saw it. Wow, this is genius. And of course, like a dummy, I'm just like scrolling through 5,000 other things that Bodman sent me between last night and this morning because probably sent you that one maybe. I don't think you did, actually. I think I saw this one on my own, but it kind of.
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I don't think I've seen that yet actually.
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But yeah, by the way, shout out to Axel who just resubbed and of course life with Fife, who just resubbed here again. The Twitch is going to be going on all year. We're going to have baseball content on here too. So if you do baseball stuff, obviously we're here with leading off. That's just a couple months away, if you can believe it. Welsh and I are already knee deep in baseball stuff. I want to talk about the Lions for a second too. All right, this is my big question here for you guys. Again, drop your other questions here if you want to ask us. I know a lot of people asking me about Justin Jefferson too. I see that in the chat. We'll get to that in just a second. Dan Campbell is in a situation in that game and I know Green Bay was being super aggressive. So Dan Campbell wanted to alpha male his way through this and. And PC principle all the way through that he could be aggressive on every single fourth down ever created. But when you have about five minutes left in a football game, guys, and you have a situation where you're down by two scores and you're in field goal Range with a good field. Go kicker. You're at home, there's no weather, there's no issues. The crowd has already been inflated, then deflated, then inflated again. And if you miss that fourth down, not only do you deflate the team, you deflate the crowd again. You have the defense now playing on its heels who can't do the same things they want to do because now they're in a situation where they're down by two scores and now they have less time instead of just kicking the damn field goal bogs. At a certain point, when does Dan Campbell's aggression become his own worst enemy? And when is it ever going to get better? Because I can't see the Lions ever getting to a Super bowl, let alone winning one, with the way he manages these games late when they matter the most. And every fourth down is not worth going for.
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I don't know that that's kind of just the. That's his quirk, though, right? Like, that is.
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My quirk is I'm not a big fan of situational football when it times a win, games. That's a crazy thing for.
C
Let me John Madden this for you because this is. This is a very simple thing. If it works, you're a genius, and if it doesn't, you're an idiot. That's just all there is to it. And it's every single week, it's, oh, look at the stones on Dan Campbell when the fourth downs are working. What, what a innovator. What a new way of thinking. And then when he does it, what an idiot. Why would you stray from tradition? I mean, honestly, this is what it boils down to. I agree with you. I think that it's dumb in that situation to not just take the points. We saw the same thing in the Iron bowl, right? I don't know how much you guys watch that, but they went for it on 4th and 2 with like 3 minutes left and scored a touchdown instead of kicking the field goal to take the lead, tied at 20. It was a crazy move that Kaylin DeBoer did, but it worked. So now he's a genius, right?
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You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of. I don't know if you guys know this. There's this GTO in poker, game theory optimization. And what this reminds me of that they do is it's just, it's. It's. I don't know if you want to call it like heavy analytics, but it's like bluffing because it doesn't matter what the other guy has Right. It's. It's this theory of, you know, what's on, what's here, their betting strategy, everything that's gone on this theory is going to work. And it's just like he's on the wrong turn of it right now, but he's making those aggressive plays of bluffing.
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The statistical analysis in the NFL says you should go for on every fourth down. Now that loses your job real quickly.
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Again, like GTO and poker.
C
Yeah.
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I think there's got to be a feel for the game. And look, Welsh, you know this because a couple years ago they were in San Francisco, had the 49ers on the ropes on the way to the super bowl and let them off the hook because of the ultra aggression. I'm not saying you can't be aggressive on fourth down in the first half. I'm not saying in the third quarter. I'm saying in the fourth quarter with five minutes left, down by two scores, you take the three, you still need 10. You still need 10. Take the, the three, you're right there. Have three and then come back and get the seven. Because what it does again, it's, it's.
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This is that turns it into a one score game.
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Yeah, but here's the thing.
C
Right? But here's the thing.
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It's like analytics are great except for also there's human beings playing and there's an environment and all these other things. You have to coach with and understand that you're in a spot here where you are you down your best receiver. Right. And I'm on Ross St. Brown. Like you are in a situation. We have to take us. Like look this, they keep getting all these four downs. They've. We need to slow this roll, get some points and then allow the defense to not be affected by the fact we screwed up this fourth down. And I, look, I'm a, I'm not a Lions fan, but it almost ruined my Thanksgiving.
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You know, this is a fantasy show. Good for him for doing that. You're talking real football. He's good for him for doing that. Putting. Putting our players in the best situations they can to score points and give them more opportunities. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Most provocative thing. I heard Fitzy brought this up on the waiver wire show. I want to get your take on it because I see a lot of people are asking Justin Jefferson questions here. Like here's one from Pen Penguin party. I have Lamar Saquon Jefferson, Devonta Smith and I'm missing the playoffs like yeah, like this is mind blowing. Somebody said you, I don't remember exact phrase, but it was basically like you should drop Justin Jefferson as a bomb for somebody else to pick up and start against you in the playoffs. Now, I don't like this concept. I think it's stupid in the sense of like yeah, Trojan horse.
D
I think the Trojan horse is one of the dumbest ideas. Like is it general as a overarching.
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Where are we at here, Welsh with Justin Jefferson? Like if you still are in the playoffs, somehow and I have, I have Jefferson in two leagues where I'm in the playoffs and I'm going, do I bench him for this guy or that guy? Like it's getting real dark outside for the Vikings.
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You know, it's so funny that you say that because my moment of the week just happens to be, I don't know, I don't know if you're the best setup of all time or you continuously want ruin my moment or takeaway every single week.
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I, I, I made myself a promise today. I was like, you know, actually last night when I was putting the show together, I was like, you know, I'm going to make sure that by the time Welsh wakes up and puts his stuff in in the morning, I will read it before the show so I don't blow it for him again. And then we had a tour that went long and I forgot to do it. So.
C
Broken promise.
D
Yeah. No. But you know what? Perfect time for us move over into moments and takeaways.
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Do it. You do both. Perfect.
C
What a great setup by the way. What a great segue.
D
Professional job. Yeah, you, you did a great job, Joe. Yeah, this is my moment. Even though there because there's another takeaway in here. My moment is that you know what? Jefferson is cooked. They the quarterback play is beyond embarrassing be. I mean I was trying to be like, oh, like Brosman could be kind of fun and nope, Brosmer is not fun. He is one. He looked like Brock Purdy last week. But you know, to degree JJ McCarthy horrible. And it's really shown at the last two weeks for Jefferson with that version of JJ McCarthy and Brossmer it has put out a 24% target share. We're talking about Justin Jefferson. He's got a catch rate of only 50%6. Only 66% of throws to him were catchable. Like there were even ones he could go at and it was like a 26% first read share. They can't get him the ball. All he could do is throw. Cause they do those little Safety spots to Jordan Addison. Browsmer was not able to. If a team locks down on Jefferson, they're. The Vikings are cooked because they take Jefferson out of the game. Jefferson's body language looks bad. The quarterback play is awful. And when you have a quarterback like Brossmer, what are they doing? It's the same thing as like Davis Mills, but Davis Mills is actually kind of good and is. They don't go down multiple reads. They go one read and they dump off. And the dump off was Jordan Addison or Aaron Jones. One of the best bets of all time was going receptions in the first quarter for the Minnesota Vikings because Aaron Jones had the first two catches in there. So I do think Justin Jefferson is kind of cooked and I hate it because I've been defending. Now coming back to that, that whole idea of a Trojan horse, I do get it and you know, I'm being a little aggressive when I'm like, it's really dumb and stuff like that. But you know, the same tokens, it was like, oh, Alvin Camara is cooked and we should cut him and he should be Trojan horse. And then it was like the next week he came out for like 120 plus yards. Listen, those guys are smarter than me. I would be putting Jefferson, Justin Jefferson on my bench. But I am worried that he is cooked. He is cooked for the season and he is a not startable asset. Wandell Robinson is someone that you should be putting out there. I just don't think I can be a Trojan horse type of guy.
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I don't think so either. I think there's also a situation box where you're looking at it and you're going to. If you see Justin Jefferson on the other end of your playoff matchup, you feel good, don't you? Isn't that weird? Right? But you do. You're like, oh, okay, I got a real shot to win this week, right?
C
I mean, maybe it could be. But I mean if. If McCarthy is back this week and does it matter?
D
He just.
C
I mean, it may not. Listen, you're right. But. But he, he's back now. Look, Brosmer is, is untenable. You cannot put him back in there. I would rather. I would honestly rather have Aaron Jones run a wildcat. Like that was just. It was unbelievably bad. He's not an NFL level quarterback. He should never have been out there. That was a joke. So I honestly would pick up a free agent and start them like the anybody the Rams did with Baker Mayfield a couple of years ago on Thursday Night Football. He played on like three days rest and won a game. Like I'd rather do that than go back to Brosmer. So.
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Yeah, what's Colt McCoy doing? You know those commercials are like the backup quarterback.
C
You know what?
D
You know.
B
Yeah, go ahead.
C
Yeah, better than Brosmer for sure. So if Brosmar has to start again, there's no way I put Jefferson in my lineup. But I'm not benching him. Like, you know something clicks with JJ McCarthy this week in practice and he's way better. Of course it's going to be Pepper Justin Jefferson with a million targets. So I'm just not that far down the rabbit hole. I'd rather bench him. I'm not the Trojan horse guy. I'm not going to drop him and let somebody else pick him up. I can't.
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Seth also posted in our chat here, Vikings have Cowboys, Giants and Lions in the fantasy playoffs which is good. But like those bad defenses, I think the game plan is out is you just you lock down Jefferson and you make these bat, you make this bad, whatever bad quarterback they put out there, you make them beat them with Jordan, Addison or Naylor or one of the other ancillary pieces like Jefferson is a non starter right now.
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So regardless, that should be everybody's strategy.
D
Yeah, but there are quarterbacks that can like actually come through.
C
Yeah, can come through and pass to Addison and neither one of these guys have been able to do it. But I do, I, I still hold out hope for McCarthy. I'm not going to, you know, bash him after half a season where he's been hurt the whole year.
D
So are you guys going to what, what did the Vikings have this week? Because we said the playoffs is a really good matchup. What were the Vikings playing this week?
B
Well, playoffs should not be starting for anybody this week. If you're starting playoffs where there's bye weeks, it's a double.
D
Yeah, no, no they're not. But check this out. They got the commanders this week. So throw that in is one of the worst secondaries. Would you start Justin Jefferson in a three wide receipt.
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Three wide receiver, titanic player for me, like Jefferson just can't come out of my lineup.
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Yeah.
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And I just go down with the ship and I' violin and it sucks. It absolutely sucks. But look, the Vikings think talking about this, you know, they should let Darnold go. Well, Darnold fell apart. I think everybody has a short memory here. Like Darnold fell apart at the end. Now they did win 14 games. Okay, so it was good but it fell apart at the Very end. And it fell apart in the playoffs. The wheels came off there. Do you think Daniel Jones is on their radar? Because he was there, too, and I've heard some rumors about that where they say the reason why Daniel Jones hasn't re. Hasn't, like, jumped with the Colts for an offer right now.
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Franchise him. So I don't. I don't think that's going to happen.
B
Somebody's throwing a lot of money.
C
But let me ask you this. Would you rather start Justin Jefferson this week or Quentin Johnston? Because I think these are the questions.
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I know, and it sucks. I think this week against the Commanders, I would start Justin Jefferson.
D
That's tough.
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Not.
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Yeah, Quentin.
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They're playing the Eagles, so that's a tough matchup. What about, like.
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Well, also Herbert's hurt, so I don't know the extent of his injury exactly with that broken hand.
C
How about Jacoby Myers way over Jefferson at this point?
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I think so. And I think they're going to beat the Colts this week. You know, the Colts haven't won since, like, 1994 in Jacksonville. Have you seen that stat box? You're a betting guy like me. Like that. I was. I saw this. Like, oh, my God. Like, I'm exaggerating a little bit weird, but not really like the Colts. Even when the Colts were good and the Jags were terrible and the Jags are underdogs in that game, and I'm telling everybody right now it's my upset special of the week. The Jags are going to win that football game. The Colts look like they're reeling a little bit.
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Would you start Jacobe over Jefferson?
B
Yeah, because I. I saw what Jacobe did last week, and BTJ is not. Not a Persona non grata. They went after Jacobe Myers to bring him in because they didn't like what they had, and that was before the injury to Hunter.
D
Dev put out the guy. I was going to say, what about Alec Pierce? Alec Pierce or Justin Jefferson? Because Pierce is going against the Jags.
C
I think I want. I might want Alec Pierce there.
B
I think I might, too. Oh, God.
C
Oh. I think I might want Myers, too. Honestly, like, I get it. It's been bad for Minnesota, but I'm definitely not dropping him. Benching him, I can do. Dropping him, I just cannot take.
B
No, I can't take that either. All right, well, so that was your moment with Justin Jefferson. What was your takeaway from week 13?
D
Well, I actually have two takeaways, guys. First takeaway is, can I spoil both? No, it's. Hold on Wait, it's Mariota, everybody. Our first big is Mariota, so get it right when you do it. What the hell was that about? All of a sudden in the. The most random game ever, Monday Night Football, he just became Mariota every single time.
C
That was Chris Collinsworth learned how to say his name.
D
That was the most annoying thing of the entire week. Yeah, and I don't like him because it's Mario.
B
Yeah. I mean the, the, the Hermione Granger memes were very funny on the Internet about that. It's Mariota that Mario Ta.
D
Oh yeah. I. If you ever needed a reason to mute the tv was having to hear Mariota the whole time. But my other takeaway or my moment or whatever the hell is Adai Mitchell season might officially be here. Sizzling. As Andrew Erickson would say, he loves the last two weeks. Weeks 12 and 13. No one in the NFL has more air yards than AD Mitchell.
C
Give me that one again.
D
What does he have the league leading air yards? 359 air yards. Which is what would this 80 more air yards than any other player. Now I know you're like, oh, okay, how about this as well? He has average nine and a half targets per game during that time. A 31% overall target share. Obviously this week, you know, it was. I believe it was in week three 12 he was top two or three in air yards overall. I had mentioned this in a couple different shows and a 42% first read share. His number one problem. Bob will remember this in ITL I stupidly put A.D. mitchell as a breakout candidate for this year. But then he proved his worst issue as a receiver. He can't catch the ball. He has no ability to catch the ball. But the jets are finding a way somehow. Reggie Wayne couldn't break him of it and couldn't teach him how to catch anything. But he's always had great speed, great separation skills. You're starting to see it. Tyrod Taylor loves throwing to him and he was finally able to haul and hauled in like 8 for over 100 air yards are at the top. They're first reading him telling you Mitchell's got to be at the top of the waivers. You should be picking him up. I'm not saying he's going to be a play over Justin Jefferson or anything like that, but also maybe not going to be surprised if AD Mitchell puts off some big performances and outperforms him.
C
Jets against the Dolphins this week.
D
I don't hate that he's the number one target. He's explosive. He might drop 30 different passes but if they throw him 40 then he can get his, you know, nine catches, nine and a half targets, number one in air yards two weeks combined, 80 more than the next guy. I think the season has officially started.
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Yeah, the reason for the season. All right Boggs, what was your big takeaway from week 13?
C
I think Chuba is eating right into Rico and going to ruin him down the stretch. This is what we saw, you know, in this game and this is Welsh can attest to this as well. Speaking of things that I have said multiple times, I have kept saying that look, Chuba Enrico are not that far in skill but Chuba is not healthy right now. I've said it for like a month straight and what happened this week, he's also the team captain. He's also just gotten extended and getting paid more. They want Chuba to work way more than they want Rico to work. So when he starts to look good again, they went right back to Chuba and I think that's going to be. I think it's going to be a 5050 split where it's actually pretty good because Bryce Young has improved. He made that big pass to Tet a Roa like, this offense looks like it's actually functional right now. So I don't mind starting Chuba and Rico because they're both working, but I do think that it impacts Rico very negatively into the fact that he's probably not a must start week to week and in.
D
That's a good question. I just real quick. I just missed the hell out of bogman for this too. I'm like, nope, nope. You. You can't. You were firm with it the entire time. And like, Rico's getting phased out. So hats up to you.
B
All right. Life with fife wants it on Rico or Manangai rest of season. I like Mananga.
C
I like.
B
He runs hard. Rucker's boy. So I'm a little, you know, a little partial. You know, I love the jersey boys getting in there. Boggs, who do you want rest of season than these fancy.
C
I think I want Rico because it's been the opposite for Rico and DeAndre Swift. Rico's look better the last two weeks than DeAndre Swift. So. Yeah, I think you want.
B
You want Rico over.
C
Yeah.
B
Yes.
C
Yes.
D
Yeah. You mean.
C
I'm. You're right. You're right. I want Manon guy because Mananga look better than DeAndre Swift.
B
Right.
C
Rico's look better than DeAndre Swift too, but not on the same team.
B
So.
C
Yes. Give me. Give me Minangai.
B
Welch, how about you? Manangai or Rico?
D
Yeah, I mean, I like if Rico were back to the volume where he was. His team's also winning. If they're in games and stuff, I'd love it. But they clearly are going back to Chuba. I think this is Manangai and Manangai getting all those carries last week. I don't know why we keep doing. They're trying to make the swift work. They got to stop making the swift try to work.
B
Look, I wonder how many wins the bears need before, like, even Bears fans are like, yeah, this team is good. It's kind of fun. Like, I feel like we could be at the super bowl and the bears will be two super bowls in a row.
C
Yeah.
B
Even after that first. And they'd be like, I don't know. I'm gonna wait on this. I'm gonna see how the.
C
We've been here before. All right, let's relax.
B
Ben Johnson taking his shirt off. Fun and cool or douchey?
C
Fun and cool.
B
Fun and cool.
D
Welch kind of douchy.
B
Kind of douchey. All right, what do you think? Let's put a poll up. Any poll up right now. And I Want the twit? He's got thumbs up.
C
It's cold.
D
Oh, it's super cold.
B
Yeah. You know what? I think it's, I think it's, if he wasn't like, why is he so cut and that he looked, I think he was looking for the opportunity to say, look, look. Amazing shape I'm in, which makes me lean, douchey. I'll be honest.
D
Yeah. If I, if I took my, if I took my shirt off right now.
B
Really excited about out of bounds. That's cool.
D
Like, he's, we'd have to put little blurs on so we didn't get demonetized.
C
Hey, look, I, I, I, I think it, it got his, his guys pumped up. I, I think that's all.
D
Why don't you take your shirt off then, box. Take your shirt off. Get us pumped up.
C
I, I'm not proud of my body. Like, be so. In fact, I have deep shame about it, so. No way.
B
All right, Boggs, before we go into more of your shame, give me your moment of the week.
C
Well, you already ruined that one because it was a trail on Burke.
B
Oh, geez. I ruined everything, right?
D
Like, right away. Like, it was literally your first question. You were like, what about try to be better?
B
I don't know.
C
It's okay. It's okay.
B
But a lot of shows on Monday, it's a busy day.
D
Reading's tough. I guess.
B
It's not that. It's just the timing of things. I, I make this up at nighttime. You guys are on different time zones. You, you get. I get up in the morning early. I'm doing shows all the way through. And then we had a meeting. Right.
C
Mine was in there at about 1:00am Your time.
B
Yeah, but, you know, I'm fast asleep by then. And then the next, There was only.
D
60 seconds before the stream with nothing to do to just 60 seconds. There's only Johnson holds up.
B
I want everybody voting on this.
C
You know what? Well, we're just gonna, we're gonna remember to remind Joe about what our stuff is before the next show.
D
That's what we're like, we're giving him audio. Yeah, we'll be like, audio moments. Takeaway.
B
So apparently there was free hot dogs, so I didn't know this. Chicago gets free hot dogs from a restaurant. So he's been getting asked all season if he takes his shirt off. They. So if that's true, then it's not douchey and it's cool.
C
I mean, free hot dog for everybody. That's amazing. Yeah.
B
That guy has made a hot dog.
D
In 20 wieners for the top off. I don't know.
B
Hey, man, whatever works. All right? My takeaway is the Lions are never going to win anything. I'm sorry, Lions fans. I thought we were turning a corner. They're not, because their coach has no idea about situational football. It's. I'm sorry, Boggs. Aggression, analytics, that's all cool, except there's also something called human beings and moments where you have to take stock of what's going on around you. And I can do it. Listen, man, a couple Sundays ago, I'm on that jets field coaching girls football, right? Flag football. We're winning the 14U tournament. You know why? Because I'm telling my safeties, hey, situational football, you have a lead. Keep people in front of you. Situational football matters, right? And what do we do? We kept people in front of us. We ran out clock and we won the damn ring, okay? That's what we did. It's the only winning you've seen in that stadium between the jets and the Giants in the last five years, too. Is my.
C
It's what kept Tomlin. His job is he kicks field goals when the field goal is there, when the money is there to take. Take whatever money is there. That. That's. But it's also. Hasn't won him any playoff games either. So you got to have stones, but you got to know when to have them. That's the big deal.
B
All right. The other moment of it was actually the Derrick Brown moment. Not our Derrick Brown, the Derrick Brown and the. The Carolina Panthers, who just caused just chaos like the turnovers and. And the. You know, they're in the red zone ready to score. And the Rams are prolific, and they're probably still the best team in football. Like, now's the time to buy in on the Rams. Everybody you want to buy back into the Rams, this is it. Just buy everywhere. Because they still think they're the best team in football. You just can't turn over the football that many times in a game against a bad team, a mediocre team, or a good team and expect to win.
C
But that went up against their former DC in that game. He had their number.
B
He did their number. But the players made plays and they created turnovers. And Stafford had some moments there. Look, it was a bad day. Do you think they took the Panthers seriously enough, Bogs? Honestly, probably not.
C
I mean, you take. You take every team serious, but I just think they, you know, they just straight up got beat. Bryce Young had one of his better games. The run game was awesome. They just got beaten this game. The margins in the NFL are insanely thin. You cannot come in and have a bad day on the road and expect to win a game. You just can't.
B
All right, anyway, the factor fictions are piling up, so let's get to the 311 contest in a second here. Let's do some fact or fiction for everybody here. We got a lot of good ones here. Oh, where do I want to start here? All right, fact or fiction. How about Chuba Hubbard is back to being an RB one. Bog's factor.
C
Fiction, Fact. It's what, it's what the Panthers want. It's going to be a pretty even split. But he's the RB one right now.
D
Well, on his team, by the way, I just want to preface that. On his team, do you mean RB1.
B
In fantasy 2 box.
D
Yeah, that's why I want to preface it. Because he's not an RB1 in fantasy.
C
No, he's probably a high end RB2, but he's not an RB1. That's true.
B
All right, fact or fiction, Welsh, it's time to start benching Lamar Jackson. Single QB leagues.
D
I mean, if you want to talk about titanic players, like, this is a titanic player. It's a guy you just got to go down the ship with. Just, you know, he, he's got to start running, he's got to make better decisions. I don't know how Zay Flowers gets completely shut out of the game. How does Mark Andrews not eat? They got the Steelers this week. Steelers are reeling a little bit. I, I want to say no, it's not time to cut him. But, you know, there might be some situations if you're in smaller leagues where there are other viable quarterbacks. But like the guys you would have done this week, you're like, oh, Bo Nicks is amazing situation. Like that wasn't that much better. So, I don't know. I'm. I, I say fiction.
B
All right, here's one from Andy Yee. Fact or fiction? AJ Brown is a league winner and will keep up this momentum. He seems to be the only thing working in the dysfunctional offense of the Philadelphia Eagles lately. Boggs, what do you think?
C
You throw the ball to him, he's going to catch it and put up points. So, yes, since Saquon is not working right now, I do think A.J. brown will be a league winner.
D
Is it crazy they just learned that too?
C
They're just like, oh, it's the one thing Arthur Smith figured Out pretty good to look good when you have Derek Henry and A.J. brown. Right?
D
If we throw the ball, he's gonna, like, catch it and do stuff. We don't just have to hand the ball off every time.
C
He's been telling you through books and smoke signals and temper tantrums for the last three seasons. If you throw him the ball, he'll do stuff.
B
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Like, you lose to the Cowboys, you know, they lost to the Giants this year, and now they just lost to the. The Chicago Bears in their own building. Like, nothing's working.
D
First time I showed my son Madden, he was, like, looking and he just didn't understand the playbook. And then I was like, okay, so like the. The red here, that's a run. And then the yellow. These are passes. It's. It's similar, like, cognitive connection that they just had. They're just like, oh, like there's passing plays, too, that the Eagles just figured out. It's like, yeah, you could do some cool stuff.
C
We got the coaching staff from the 1920s. So they had no idea about the forward pass.
B
All right, this one. Look, I'm just gonna answer this because. Fact or fiction? The Bengals win the division. It's fiction. Okay? It's fiction. They're too far behind. It's too little, too late. Everybody, look. Joe Burrow came back. It was fun. It was great. It was a good feeling. They stuck it to the Ravens.
C
Cool.
B
They basically have the same record as the Browns. I was talking about the Browns making the playoffs. Like, I know they don't have Joe Burrow, but. Oh, my God, you know, what's up? You pissed me off about that game. You know, I know Welsh.
D
Oh, that. You were so.
B
Yeah, I was on cover on that. And you know what? All the way down into the, you know, late in the third quarter, it looked real good. And I was like, look, just do something. Just do something. And then it just got out of hand. It pissed me off. But that's a fiction.
C
The Browns, I picked the Brown cover and you.
B
Oh, they were covering for three quarters.
D
I watched. I watched the show. Joe's like, this is clearly the Browns. I haven't decided if I like the Browns.
B
Oh, man.
D
Exactly. I watched the show, I got the receipts, whatever.
B
And they should have been, by the way, this.
D
By the way, this poll. I mean, the Niners absolutely mud stomp them.
B
They made them for a quarter. I mean, come on. It was 10, 3 minutes left in.
D
The third quarter, the quarter that Matt, when Brock Purdy's your quarterback.
B
It's like having fact or fiction. That was a good dance from Brock Purdy.
D
Yeah, it was a great day. He did the. Was it the.
C
Dougie.
D
The poll is. I know.
C
It's a game winning dance.
D
Ben Johnson, 83% positive reaction that it was inspiring. Did you, Seth, did you put inspiring?
B
Of course he did.
D
As the message on there.
C
He's the Chicago.
B
Give me a break.
D
You know what?
C
Oh, Ben Johnson is the inspiration to me. We should all aspire to have a physique that great to where we could just pop the top right off.
B
Look, if it got no shame for it.
D
You're not wrong.
B
It's so inspiring.
D
I. I didn't know it was about the hot dog. What an inspiration. I love him, but inspiration. That's embarrassing. That's embarrassing that you put that set well.
B
That's embarrassing. Look, give Seth a break. It's been a rough go for Bears fans for I don't know, since 1985.
C
Let the dude celebrate.
B
Well, they had that one year. Rex Grossman too. I forgot. They did get to the super well there, but Grossman, what was that? 2007.
C
That was the. That was the Prince Rainey halftime game. Ah, that was.
B
That was the only thing they really.
C
It was in Miami. Yep. Well, Devin Hester returned the opening kick and that was it. That was a wrap for Bears points.
B
So fact or fiction? The Chiefs can run the table?
C
Fiction.
B
Welsh. Oh, Boggs. Fiction right off the bat.
C
I don't even know the schedule. I don't think they're a good enough team to do that this year.
D
I don't think they're a good enough team. But like I'm going to say, of course they can. It's the Chiefs. They got the refs on their side, they got the NFL on their side and they can do anything.
C
All right, they're going to lose this week.
B
Well, they're going to lose this week at Houston. I'm already on Houston. I already put that one in too. So they put Houston, then the Chargers, Tennessee, Denver and Vegas. There's definitely two W. They're losing to Houston.
C
They're losing to the Broncos. I think they're beating the Chargers, Titans and Raiders. That's easy.
D
If we're getting out of the like, you know, the Chiefs, of course they can do stuff like. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna run the table. So I guess fiction.
B
That's crazy stuff there. All right.
C
Your first answer is more fun though.
B
It was factor fiction from glassier neighbors. Hampton And Scatter Boo will be undervalued in drafts next year. Look, Glass is already going forward into next year.
C
Fiction.
B
Fiction.
C
They're going to be overrated. Scatterboot is going to be overrated going into next year. 100%. This is what always happens when a guy has a major injury. They rush them back way, way, way too fast. And they say, oh look, he possibly could be ready by week one. Then he's back for week one. And then he gets hurt again and he's out till week six. And then he comes back week six.
B
Are you fading, Scatter Boo? That's why you're Welsh, right?
C
100%. Yes, I am. Because he's going to be overrated going in next year. He is. It's just what happens with every hurt running back that has a major injury. Neighbors in Hampton, like, I think neighbors got hurt so early in the season. I don't think you're going to get a discount on him or a good enough one. Hampton. It really depends on how he comes back and finishes off this year.
D
Fiction. You'll ever call him Scat, by the way, which this person put in.
C
I mean, he calls himself Scat, so that's probably shouldn't. Yeah, I know it's gross. But you know, it's the first part of his last.
B
I like this football player factor. Fiction. People overuse the refs. Help them out as an excuse. Narrative. 100%.
D
Oh, fact.
B
Biggest fact ever. You know, I did it to be stupid, but yeah, 100% they do that. All right.
C
How many times a game do you yell, where's the flag? Come on, where's the flag? Blame the refs for everything. Always.
D
Everybody chat. I mean, dude, chat. GPT4 flies off the board when the Chiefs are playing. Everyone wants to make the Chiefs and refs, you know, memes and whatever. Like it goes ballistic.
B
Yeah, I mean, it's almost become they're not funny anymore. No, they're not.
D
His Mahomes voice is comical. That thing is not comical anymore.
B
His voice, and this is a fact. Travis Kelce constantly, lately doing Patrick Mahomes voice in interviews is hilarious to me. Have you caught. He's done it like three or four times lately where they just straight up ask him a question. Well, you know, I'll tell you this much. He starts to think talk like that out of nowhere. And he does it sometimes when my homes is like on the deus with him, which is even funnier. Like Mahomes will make a comment and then the last Travis Kelsey and then he'll start doing Mahomes voice. I love that. I think that's hilarious. Kelsey's good people. All right, let's take a look at the leaderboard here for the 311 contest. Bogman's still leading with 12, but he got shut out last week. No Puka, no Saquon, no Josh Allen for you guys. Yeah, Welsh got on the board, though. You got your Jamar Chase, right? That was the only one, unfortunately. It's so adorable, isn't it? And then I. I'm up to 11. Devon HN was my only guy. JSN was not what I was hoping he would be against the Vikings. So let's go to the 31 1. The 300 yard pass or the 100 yard rusher and the hundred yard receiver. For this week, I'm going with Dak Prescott against Detroit. Short week here indoors. Joey likey the Cowboys and what they're doing right now. Cowboys are fun, but the loki of me wants the Cowboys to somehow end up winning that division from the Eagles. I don't think it's going to happen, but it would be funny to watch. Then give me Devon Hn against the New York jets and then Jamar Chase against the Buffalo Bills in a game that will certainly be an over if that. It's only a 51 right now. I don't know how that's possible. There's just no way that game is staying around 51 points. Welsh, where's your 311 this week?
D
Just playing my pivot game. You guys got all the good ones. You're even sharing one together. I have to play different pieces against you. So I am going to Joe Burrow versus The Buffalo Bills. They get T. Higgins back. Sling the ball one week, back in a little bit more comfortable. James Cook on the opposite end just had a billion carries. Give him a billion and one this week against the Cincinnati Bengals defense. He goes over 100 rushing. And how about Jameson Williams who finally had that breakout after a little bit of quiet going up against the Dallas Cowboys where you can break them deep. Let's say that happens. And Burrow, Cook and Williams. That's my pray to God to try to make some headway in this thing.
B
We still got some time. Still a lot of football left.
C
All right.
B
Hey, not enough. Hey, if you get one big three and we get shut out in a week.
C
Yeah. That gives you an extra point, right? He'd be tied with you.
D
Yeah, we do get an extra point.
B
Anything can happen.
D
We should get five. We should get five extra.
C
You know I tell you. Yeah, well, should we take your shirt off? I'll get. I'll buy you a hot dog and give you an extra point.
D
So there you go for me on the Glizzies.
C
I think Dak Prescott at Detroit is just the clear, obvious answer. And I'm in the lead, so I can copy whoever I want. Doesn't hurt me at all. So give me Dak at Detroit, then Jonathan Taylor at Jacksonville. I just think he's going to get back on track. But I did like all three of these I think are going to hit, by the way, because I think Joe, you got one of the best ones with hn. I think that's a great pick against the jets and Welsh. I mean, James, Cookie and Spangles is the only other one I considered. So I think these are all really good picks.
D
So let's parlay. We should parlay all of these. Go like 100 plus a little parlay on all of these running backs.
B
I love that play. Look, it's two out of two of the three of us took Dag. I like that.
D
Well, I meant the running backs because Boggs loves the running backs.
C
I do love all these. I think this is great. I think these are all 100 yards.
B
I. I agree. I like the Cook and the Taylor thought too. I mean, yeah, like 100 yards and they lose. Oh, my God.
D
Why would we go down to 80? I would go like 80 plus rushing yards on all three and see what that looks like. But we can't see what it is.
C
And then my last is JSN at Atlanta. He just, he's the leading. You know, it's a chance to have the most receiving yards in a season ever. And no one is talking about it. I feel like. So JSN having an outstanding season.
D
Outside of a horrifically bad this week where he had two catches which shout out to him.
B
Yeah, but they played Max. Max Rosemer.
C
They didn't need to do anything. All they did was run.
D
So shout out to him because Ryan Wormley has him in the finals of the Fantasy Pros Guillotine League. It's me versus him.
B
And yes, because I lost last week. Tonight Mark Chase was suspended, which sucked.
D
Yeah, well, I don't think it would have mattered like if Drake does a little bit tonight.
B
I would have stayed alive last week if Jamar Chase.
D
Oh, yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't matter. But he had jsn. So shout out to jsn.
C
Are you alive? Yeah. Is the question.
B
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D
I think we're gonna do. I. I don't know. We're gonna do new photos. I think we're doing a new photo shoot in our team trip in the next year. But I don't know if we should get rid of that one. One.
B
I. I agree.
C
That one where you're angry at the phone is my favorite.
B
Angry. No. You know what? I am. Bogs. Hold on. Bring it back here. Bring it back. Bring it back to me.
C
Bring it back to Shine Box.
B
No, no, no. Seth. Come back to the faces. I'm inspired. That's what that face is. I'm inspired. That'll do for us.
C
Phone just ripped its covering off.
B
That's right.
C
You're pumped up. That's right. And you got a free. Wow.
B
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Episode: Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 14 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1874)
Date: December 2, 2025
Hosts: Joe Pisapia (“Joey P”), Scott Bogman (“Bogman”), and Chris Welsh (“Welsh”)
This lively episode explores the fallout from a wild holiday NFL weekend, delivering sharp fantasy football insights, Week 14 waiver wire/trade advice, and rapid-fire “Fact or Fiction” takes. The crew debates hot topics like Justin Jefferson’s fantasy value, Dan Campbell’s late-game management, whether to “amicably divorce” Mike Tomlin from the Steelers, and more. Listener questions spark practical advice on lineups and playoff pushes.
Key listener questions and group responses:
Each host picks a 300-yard passer, 100-yard rusher, and 100-yard receiver for the week:
Side banter: If you get all three, you get an “extra point” in their ongoing competition.
The episode is candid and humorous, balancing actionable fantasy analysis with opinionated debate and playful banter. The hosts' chemistry stands out, as does their rapport with an active listener base. Quotable zingers and self-deprecating jokes maintain a light, entertaining mood even as serious NFL and fantasy topics are discussed.
Listen for: Fantasy playoff advice, deep waiver tips, and bold takes to help you make smart Week 14 decisions—served with a generous side of football humor.