Fantasy Football Takeaways: Fact or Fiction + Week 15 Waiver Wire & Trade Advice | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1888)

Summary

FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast

Episode: Out of Bounds Ep. 1888

Date: December 9, 2025

Host: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia)
Co-hosts: The Welsh (Chris Welsh), Scott Bogman

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into takeaways and strong opinions after a dramatic NFL Week 14, focusing on the fantasy playoff landscape. The hosts discuss breaking news (notably, the Daniel Jones injury), the playoff chase, teams’ future outlooks, and offer actionable waiver wire and trade advice for Week 15. They also debate hot “fact or fiction” listener statements, analyze player outlooks, and break down pivotal moments—mixing sharp fantasy insight with trademark banter and debate.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Playoffs, Elimination, and Goodbyes (00:34-03:38)

• Playoff Updates:

  • Joe playfully boasts about eliminating colleagues in multiple leagues and asks how many playoff spots everyone locked up.
  • The roundtable reveals their own successes and failed bids, commiserating over the "awkward tension" of beating friends.

• Memorable Quote:

  • Welsh (01:50): “I'm sure you handled it great. I'm sure you didn't go like, man, can you believe I didn't just knock all of you out, you dumb idiots. I'm so great. Look at me, Joe Pisapia. I'm sure that's not-- pretty much everything…”

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2. Daniel Jones Injury Fallout & Giants’ Future (Daniel Jones Discussion: 04:28-07:19)

• Major News: Daniel Jones’ Achilles injury (9-12 month recovery), future very uncertain.

• Franchise Tag or Free Agency?

  • Bogman expects the Giants to franchise tag Jones unless something drastic changes:
    “I think you franchise him...the draft isn't filled with a bunch of superstar quarterbacks either.” [05:00]
  • Welsh floats potential trade options and dark-horse names.

• Impact on Skill Players:

  • Discussion about the team possibly “stacking the box” against Giants RB Jonathan Taylor given QB uncertainty; Pittman and other pass-catchers projected to see diminished upside. [12:34-13:50]

• Memorable Quote:

  • Bogman (05:51): "Coming back from an Achilles injury is not good for any position. Doesn't matter. And that's his plant foot as well. So they're going to rush him back, he's going to come back too soon, he's going to have a bad year next year."

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3. Recapping Wild Week 14: Bills, Bengals & Ravens (07:29-12:20)

• Bills vs. Bengals: Is Buffalo back?
  • Welsh is noncommittal: "I think it's something in the middle..." [08:54]
  • The Buffalo offense is still inconsistent outside of Josh Allen.
• Lamar Jackson, Ravens, and Defensive Woes:
  • Bogman: “That defense is rough, man. The secondary is really leaky. But the thing that makes the secondary leaky is a lack of pass rush.” [10:42]
  • The group debates if Lamar is “must start” in Week 15 against the Bengals; consensus: You play your studs in the playoffs.

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4. Takeaways: Chiefs Dynasty Needs a Reboot (16:26-18:37)

• Joe's Takeaway: “It’s time for the Chiefs to rebuild.” [16:26]

  • Argues it’s a dangerous strategy to lean on “the legend of what used to be,” urges Kansas City to make tough decisions like New England did with their dynasty.
  • Openly discusses Travis Kelce’s decline and need for roster refresh.
  • Advocates for Mahomes to consider restructuring his contract, a la Tom Brady.
  • Hosts agree: O-line changes needed, run game must improve, stop aggressive 4th down gambles.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • Joe (16:26): “At a certain point, they had to reinvent themselves. I think that's what the Chiefs have to do. ...What kept the Patriots a dynasty for 20 years is making those hard decisions...”
  • Bogman (18:19): “If you want to be what Brady was, that's the move you have to make—you have to take less money...so your team can afford to fix the offensive line.”

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5. Waiver Wire & Dynasty Advice: Ricky Pearsall and More (Redraft & Dynasty Focus: 15:25-16:26)

• Pearsall: Strong dynasty hold, definite drop in redraft.
  • “There’s no reason to hold Ricky Pearsall...but in dynasty, he is a strict and straight hold. Let them get to next year...he can be a #1.” [15:25]
• Short takes on other relevant pickups.

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6. Fact or Fiction: Rapid-Fire Listener Questions (Various Times: 39:18-44:29)

• Can Josh Jacobs be trusted in fantasy playoffs? Fiction – Raiders offense in disarray.
• Will the Texans win the AFC South? Fiction – All hosts favor Jaguars’ schedule and overall team.
• Should we sit Justin Jefferson rest-of-playoffs? Fiction – Hosts agree you have to play your studs, but Welsh expresses real concern:
  • “He’s a Titanic pick. You go down with the ship, man.” [44:29]

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7. Takeaway & Moments of the Week (22:04-30:53)

• Chiefs/Texans Recap:
  • “The Houston Texans defense is really, really scary. And the Chiefs...did blow this game.” [25:52]
  • Physicality of Houston's defense affecting Chiefs’ receivers (Rice, Godwin) and leading to 9 drops.
• Justin Jefferson Concern:
  • Welsh: “Done. Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on...31-0 and he can’t get the ball? Four targets in the game.” [22:33]
  • Bogman counters: “I'm not buying that...he’s still a wide receiver one for fantasy, but barely.” [23:06]
• Memorable Bet Segment (23:54):
  • Welsh: “If he’s not a wide receiver one, I win.”
  • Bogman: “Why do you always have to angle this like you’re the house so you get the extra juice?”

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8. Deep-Dive: Drops Epidemic and Broken Play Designs (29:59-32:11)

• Welsh laments the rise of key drops among top wide receivers, impacting outcomes.
• Joe dissects a crucial Bears/Packers play, blaming Caleb Williams’ tendency to “hold the ball too long” rather than play design.
  • Joe (32:11): “This is why it's important to trust play design and get rid of the football on time...”

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9. “Was It a Catch?” Debate: Isaiah Likely TD Controversy (35:42-36:53 and surrounding)

• Isaiah Likely Red Zone Catch:
  • Detailed breakdown and playback; split opinions on whether it met the NFL's “football move” standard.
  • Bogman (36:10): “I've watched it 150 times...if they had ruled that a touchdown, I would have had nothing to say about it...that looks like a catch to me.”

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10. 3-1-1 Game: Week 15 Picks (37:03-39:18)

• Week 15 picks for 300+ yd passers, 100+ yd rushers, and 100+ yd receivers.
  • Joe: “I'm taking Drake May for his first 300-yard game...”
  • Laughs about their ongoing futility at these picks.

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11. Coaching Changes Coming? (39:35-40:15)

• Rapid speculation that several AFC North head coaches could face the axe, especially after embarrassing losses (Stefanski, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Taylor all mentioned as not entirely safe).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on...31-0 and he can’t get the ball? Four targets in the game.” — Welsh, [22:33]
• “He’s a Titanic pick. You go down with the ship, man.” — Joe, on starting J. Jefferson, [44:29]
• “Physical teams set the tone in December. It’s contagious—once you start knocking guys around, the dropsies start all over the place.” — Joe, [26:27]
• Nostalgic tangent: Warren Moon > young QB trust; Caleb Williams' “Madden 4 awareness” draws laughs.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Playoff banter and introductions | 00:34-03:38 | | Daniel Jones injury fallout | 04:28-07:19 | | Bills, Bengals, Ravens analysis | 07:29-12:20 | | Jonathan Taylor and Giants fantasy impact | 12:34-14:33 | | Ricky Pearsall redraft/dynasty advice | 15:25-16:26 | | Chiefs need a rebuild (big takeaway) | 16:26-18:37 | | Fact or Fiction (rapid-fire section) | 39:18-44:29 | | Was It a Catch? (Likely Red Zone TD) | 35:42-36:53 | | Weekly 3-1-1 picks | 37:03-39:18 |

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Final Takeaways

• Focus for fantasy managers:

  • Trust your elite players in the playoffs, but monitor injury reports closely (e.g., Daniel Jones, Mike Evans).
  • Chiefs’ offense needs a reset—be cautious valuing aging stars beyond 2025.
  • Don’t overreact to one bad week, but acknowledge red flags, as with the Vikings passing game and Ravens defense.

• Quotes to Remember:

  • “You go down with the ship, man.” – On fantasy’s harshest ‘start your studs’ truth.
  • “Caleb Williams has all the skills in the world, but he has a 4 awareness in Madden.” – On rookie QB struggles.

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For further details and actionable advice, listen to the episode or catch the crew live Mondays at 2pm Eastern on Twitch. And yes, the “Golden Toilet” trophy is still up for grabs for your league’s biggest loser—subscribe to enter the drawing!

Transcript

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[A]

Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P, Joe P. Zeppelia, with my two best friends, the Welsh and Scott Bogman. It's all of you hanging out on the Twitch, Twitch TV FantasyPros. That's the place to be. And of course, if you're watching back on the YouTube channel, subscribe over there. But when you subscribe to our Twitch, we're giving away free stuff. Seth, our incredible producer, what are we giving away right now? Oh, it's the toilet. That's right. A golden trophy smack toy toilet for the loser in your league or in your life. It's a perfect holiday gift. You stick it in their stocking and say, here you go loser. Happy holidays again. It's from Trophy Smack, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware. And you can win it by subscribing to our Twitch. You get one and a half times boost of winning this bad boy over here from Trophy Smack. So like this video, subscribe and of course drop your comments below. Gentlemen, another crazy weekend of football. Hopefully you made some playoffs. It was very awkward this morning because I eliminated Fitzy in the content league in the playoffs and I eliminated Derrick Brown in Flex League to make the playoffs. So I, it was a little awkward, a little tension in, in the morning there, Welsh. I tried to handle as best I could. How many playoffs are you in here as we are heading here to the week 15 round one, theoretically.

[C]

Yeah, I'm sure you handled it great. I'm sure you didn't go like, man, can you believe I didn't just knock all of you out, you dumb idiots. I'm so great. Look at me, Joe. Psapia. I'm sure that's not outwin at uh, pretty much everything. I mean majority of them. The flex league though did get interesting. I'd been on a good tear. I'm going to lose this week but because of the, what is it, the all win or all schedule, whatever the hell it's called, I will pick up a win and I think that's going to lock me in. It should lock me into a playoff spot. I'll be the final playoff spot in there, but I think I've only got one league this year that is a non playoff, so.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

That must be real awkward for me and Welsh in here then, Joe, because I just drummed him out of the Super Flex playoff playoffs that we're in through itl so there you go. I. I beat him and I'm gonna steal a spot. So it's.

[C]

That was the one I was talking about that I was, I guess two leagues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least he's humble about it.

[A]

Yeah. Well, look, I'm. I'm in the playoffs of the CBS Experts League and the idp. CBS Experts League. Scott Bogman, are you proud of your boy? This is the only IDP league I'm still playing in.

[D]

Use my list. I knew you were gonna get.

[A]

Well, I mean, it's a good list. Well, I gotta use your list. Of course I gotta use your list. What are you talking about? So hopefully you're all in the playoffs too, and we're gonna talk about some of the things that went right and the things that went wrong. A lot of incredible stories here, obviously, and a lot of headlines to get to Fact and Fictions. I already see everybody dropping them in. Awesome. We're going to star them all for the end of the show. Real quick. At the top. I also. I looked at Welsh's takeaway and moment. I am not going to talk about either of those teams at the top and ruin his moment. I'm trying to be better. This is my New Year's resolution. I'm starting.

[D]

Does that mean you didn't look at mine? You were right there. I have mine in there.

[A]

I looked at yours. But I might end up ruining your purpose.

[D]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

You know what's funny about that, too?

[A]

What?

[C]

It's more of just a running gag. But you know what's funny about it? It's probably like the least impactful moments and takeaways of any single week we've had this entire season. I'm. I'm the. The lowest level of invested in. In these because I just thought it was just like a weird transitional week, like fantasy playoffs are going through. Some things don't matter. I just didn't think, like, there was so much that, like, grabbed me and pulled me to make some.

[A]

What a shock.

[D]

The Niners on the bye week and it's the one week Welsh isn't into it, so.

[C]

Yeah, well, was there a lot that you were invested in this weekend? You're like, oh my gosh. Isaiah likely like, like.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, that's the playoff chances for my team. So I was pretty invested there.

[C]

Yeah, I hope you guys do. I want you guys to make the playoffs, knock out the first round so you can have the normal Mike Tomlin conversation at the end.

[D]

We're two wins away from nine and eight, baby. Yeah.

[C]

That's all that we need. That's all that we asked for.

[A]

All right, we got to start with the big news, obviously, which is the Daniel Jones injury. It is brutal. Terrible situation here. It's a 9 to 12 month injury too. So it's going to take him well into September of next year. So, Boggs, I'm going to start with you with the Daniel Jones injury because this was supposed to be the future. You know, there's no contract signing yet. He was going to wait till the season finished, maybe kind of play himself into a franchise tag. Is that what we're doing here? Are they just going to franchise him, you think, this off season just to play it safe here, or do you think because of the injury now they might let him go to free agency and see what kind of bidding he actually gets?

[D]

No, I think. I think you franchise him and I think they will specifically if we do get to see Anthony Richardson at the end of the year here and see what he has. And if it's still not good, you're definitely going to see Daniel Jones get tagged, I would guess. Unless they have somebody else in mind. I don't know who that would be at this point. So the draft isn't filled with a bunch of superstar quarterbacks either. So I think they're going to end up franchising him and keeping him. But I also don't think that he is going to be nearly what he was coming back. He is 28, so, you know, he's younger than some of those guys.

[A]

We heard Rogers Cousins were older, you know.

[D]

Yeah, they were much older. But coming back from an Achilles injury is not good for any position. It doesn't matter. And that's his plant foot as well. So they're going to rush him back. He's going to come back too soon. He's going to have a bad year next year.

[C]

Like I'll tell you this though. You say there's not a lot of quarterbacks out there. There is a certain 4 foot 7 quarterback that might be available in trades when call of duty is very far past. So I don't know.

[D]

Well, listen, they could get all 47 of that guy if they do think that this is going to be a bad injury and he's not going to be able to recover within a year. And we do get to see Anthony Richardson and see that it's miserable. My guess is that they're going to keep Anthony Richardson, they're going to keep Daniel Jones, and a. Rich is not going to play this season, but he'll start next season for. For the first three to four weeks, and then DJ takes over after that. That would be my guess.

[C]

Did. Did you guys see this story? It's. It's super interesting about Daniel Jones. Some friends, I want to say, and I might butcher it. It's like some friends from his.

[A]

Friends from college made the brace.

[C]

Two of his friends from Duke.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Two of his. Thank you. Two of his Duke former teammates, they 3D printed a pad that enabled him to play after that fracture, that they created a company called Project 3D and then they created, like, another one for. Or maybe it was for the Fibby Lab. Like, he's had multiple. They did it for a broken leg.

[D]

They couldn't have worse advertisement for their product than this guy. No compensating and ripping his Achilles up.

[C]

He keeps hurting the things that aren't covered. He's just going to essentially be a cyborg with 3D printed parts.

[A]

3D.

[D]

Print him a leg. Let's get it on there.

[C]

All right. Daniel Jones 3,000 activated.

[A]

You know, it does make me evaluate, though. I mean, that's pretty incredible. Friends like, hey, you're hurt. We're going to 3D print you this brace for your leg. And I'm thinking about this relationship that we have, and, oh, my God, I.

[D]

3D printed you a wig a long time ago and you refused to wear it.

[A]

Yes, well, red is not my color. I mean, what do you want from me? Shout out to K. What's up, gentlemen? Man, I listen to you guys every day, three or four times on Spotify. Love you guys. Thanks, Kick Wood. And look at this. 16 Team Super Flex champ two years in a row, baby. Let's go. That's awesome. Kick would love that. Good. If you got questions, drop them in here. Again, we're doing generic football stuff here. If you got some playoff questions, we can do that as well. Factor fictions. We appreciate those. So drop those in. We love having all of those. I want to get to the next thing on the agenda, too. Bill's Bengals. It's funny because with all the snow talk and everything going on, all of a sudden that number went from 53 and a half. To 52 and a half. To 51 and a half. And I'm like, what are you guys. You guys high? Like, this game is going to go into the 60s? Are you crazy? Like, the snow's only going to make it more insane and worse. And sure enough, it did. Joe Burrow with the two terrible picks there. Oh, they were so bad. It really was crushing because Cincinnati had them ready. They kind of got them right where they wanted them. The. Josh Allen had that one big run, and that did start to move things around. But, you know, there's a ton of time left, and Joe Burrow was feeling it. And obviously, you know, Joe Burrow playing fast and loose is very dangerous. Welsh did Buffalo. Has Buffalo righted the ship here in these last two weeks enough now to go to New England and beat New England? Or is this just the Cincinnati Bengals in front of you? And you look good playing teams like that.

[C]

I think it's something in the middle. Didn't you guys ask me. Didn't you ask me last week? You're like, aren't the Buffalo Bills done? And the Dyn. And it's like, no, it's just, like, not super great.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like, done as being a competitive team. No, I don't think so. Josh Allen kind of always keeps you in it. They've got. I will say, though, it is weird. Every single week, you go and look at Josh Allen stat line, and then you're like, cool. Who's the dude that, like, really did it? And it's just always this just ragtag group of, like, guys that have three catches for 40 yards.

[D]

There's nobody that ever knocks yesterday.

[C]

Yeah, that. This week. And it's always just some stupid. Like, they just don't have any big firepower. But they. But Josh Allen keeps a minute. I don't think this team is going to go in and beat New England, but I also don't think this is just like, oh, Cincinnati's defense is so bad. Like, they're trying to find levels of improvement. Joe Burrow has made them better. I just think they're like the Bengals. The Bills are like the Bengals. It's just if you can get into a gunfight, like, they're gonna keep up with it. And if you make a defensive mistake, Josh Allen is someone that is going to take advantage of that. That's not the Patriots, though. So I don't. I think we're gonna have another conversation next week where it's like, guys, are the. Are the Bills done? And it's Just like, yeah, after they play the Patriots, they're gonna look like they're done.

[A]

All right. Speaking of looking done, Baltimore Ravens, too. I know we're gonna talk a little bit more about them and a little later on the show, but Boggs, I mean, that Ravens defense, certainly not the Ravens defense of old. I know this brings you great joy as I. As I'm setting you up for this. So next week, you get the Bengals and Lamar Jackson. And I know a lot of people in fantasy have been asking all of us, can I start Lamar Jackson? Can I start Lamar Jackson? It's been terrible these last six weeks. What do I do? Well, he's got the Bengals coming up, so if you're in the playoffs still and you have Lamar Jackson, you got to play him against the Bengals, right? You have to feel like from whatever you saw this weekend, that there's got to be some more help. You did see him a little bit more mobile yesterday, I thought, too.

[D]

Yeah, we saw him run more. I think that's just going to improve as the weeks go by. Moving away from this knee injury, so. And really what it was, you know, I saw Patrick Queen follow the tight end, and I'm like, lamar's going right in the end zone. And that's exactly what happened. And they didn't do that again. You know, he hadn't run the. The previous couple weeks, so I was like, we need to spy Lamar. He's still Lamar. And that happened. But the defense is rough, man. The Steelers hadn't had a yard pass play in like, four weeks, a month. And the first play of the game, they went deep to Metcalf and completed it. They had a couple deep to Metcalf yesterday. So the secondary is really leaky. But the thing that makes the secondary leaky is just a lack of pass rush. They don't put pressure. You never saw Aaron Rodgers more mobile this year than he was yesterday. Ran into the end zone for the first time in four seasons. So they're just not putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. And it doesn't matter if you have a host of Pro Bowlers on your back end, if you're not putting pressure on the quarterback, those wide receivers are going to get open eventually. So it just looked bad from that perspective. Also, you know, what's a catch? I'm still not sure.

[A]

So did you think it was.

[C]

Is this the most.

[A]

Go ahead real quick.

[C]

Is this the most points that this division has, like, given up in a singular week ever? I was just looking at this and thinking about it. The Bengals gave up 39 this year for sure. The Brown, the Browns gave up 31. And then your game accounted for 49 points. I mean, that's a lot of this.

[D]

Steelers have had some bad defensive weeks.

[C]

This year, but this entire division, that's. I understand that there's always like one or two. This divi. Your division defense stinks.

[D]

Well, I just don't know. Like, there was a point where the Steelers defense was bad. There was no Burrow, there was no Lamar, and Cleveland had Dylan Gabriel. So there's definitely could be a week where they gave up more points than this, but not many this season. You're absolutely right about that.

[A]

All right, circling back real quick too, because I want to get your take on this. What's the impact of the Daniel Jones injury to, to Jonathan Taylor? You're never taking Jonathan Taylor out. Is it a weird way possibly being a positive for him? Obviously the receivers downgrade, but is there going to be just more volume or just more predictabilities? Right. It's, it's, it's just, it's bad.

[D]

No, you stack nine in the box. Like it's. Riley Leonard wasn't even a passer in college. Right. He did. You know, he went to Duke initially, so he's taught by Cutcliffe, the same guy who taught Daniel Jones. Right. But he ended up in Notre Dame. But he is a run first option. He passes when he has to. And that is not what Daniel Jones was. Daniel Jones.

[C]

Remember when we looked at this and.

[D]

Then run if you have to.

[C]

Remember we looked at the Bengals and we're like, all right, burrows out. But like, you know, Browning has got Chase and Higgins and Chase Brown and they got a lot of weapons.

[D]

We had at least seen Browning do it before. And then he just crapped the bed when he, when he started this year. But I mean, there's a possibility for like one target, maybe if it's Warren or maybe if it's screens to Taylor to become more valuable than the others. But I just don't think like Pittman loses value. I think Warren loses value.

[C]

Josh Downs and Warren are probably your safest.

[A]

Is the only guy that I think. I think Pittman still holds a little bit.

[D]

Well, I mean, he's still an end zone threat because he's enormous.

[A]

But exactly.

[C]

Remember, remember all the Jonathan Taylor MVP conversation? Gosh, everybody. Well, we were talking. I don't remember if it was Boggs or you. One of you guys was like, this is Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, like Jonathan Taylor MVP stuff was ever gonna happen.

[D]

They were they were rolling until they played Pittsburgh.

[A]

Right.

[D]

And then the Steelers turned him over six times. Still only won by a touchdown. So I was like, okay, you know, maybe. Maybe they're just done now that they're turning the ball over. And it's been downhill ever since that game. They kind of got figured out. And then we found out that Daniel Jones had the fractured fibula and he was playing through it. And then the Achilles and dude, Taylor.

[C]

Might have, like, 30 touchdowns on a team that doesn't make the playoffs.

[A]

Yeah. Like, just very possible.

[C]

Think about. This is crazy.

[A]

And look, as we talked about it on, I. I know I talked about all the betting pro shows. I want to say I talked about on here, too, which was the inevitability of the Jacksonville Jaguars taking over that division. And it flipped last week. Right. And we talked about, like, okay, and then they've got the Colts coming to town. They never lose to the Colts in their own building. Even when the Jaguars are terrible, they always be. They haven't lost to the Colts at home since 2014. Okay. It's a long time. So you knew that was coming. And they had two games against the Titans and the Colts had two games against the Texans. The schedule was not in their favor. So if you bet that when it was three to one, you were in a great spot. Liz, a great thing here from. I believe it's Trillian. Hopefully I'm saying it right. Greetings from Denmark. Look, we're international. What do you do with Ricky Pierceau, both in Redraft and in Dynasty? Love what you guys are doing and the passion you put into it. That's right. There's a lot of passion here. Welsh, you're the San Francisco boy. Why don't you give us your Ricky Piersoll take and Redraft and Dycy.

[C]

Super easy Redraft. Kick him to the curb. There is no reason to hold Ricky Piersall. He might have a game. Especially, I would note this coming off of a bye week you definitely could foresee as he's been trying to get.

[A]

The Titans this week. Keep that in mind.

[C]

Yeah, you get your literal legs under you and stuff, and they might want to get the ball to him, but there's no reason. We're in a space where it's like, you look at Rick Piersaw, you can't start him. All the, like, narrative we can create. You can't start him this week. Okay? Then he has the game. And then in week 16, it's like, Okie doke, now let's do it. And then he gets shut down. I think you gotta cut bait with Ricky Pieroff. There's any viable option. A dynasty. It is a strict and straight hold. Let them get to next year. Let him perceivably have a really good healthy season in front of him. I think he can be a number one. Juwan Jennings looks like he is one foot out the door with all the trade requests. Brandon Aiyuk see a cut. He's the number one. Absolute hold. Maybe even a slight buy at his absolute bottom in Dynast. But redraft, unless there's nothing on the wire, I really don't see why you would hold on to him.

[A]

All right, let's do the takeaways and the moments. I'll start with my takeaway of the week. It's time for the Chiefs to rebuild. Now, don't worry, Chiefs fans, because this happened to the Patriot dynasty, too. They had to retool, rediscover themselves, figure things out. At a certain point, they had to reinvent themselves. And I think that's pretty clear. Last night, what the Chiefs have to do, that's from watching last night. The Houston Texans came in. It was hilarious. And I talked about this everywhere. On every show last week, too. The narrative about while the Chiefs are fighting for the playoffs here, look, you know this is that Chiefs trying to scratch away him. I was like, what about the Houston Texans and one of the best defenses in the league? What about the fact they have a better record and they're fighting for a playoff spot, too? Does anybody want to talk about that? Obviously, the Texans covered. They won outright. So feel pretty good about that wager I made. But I just don't understand. Like, at one point you have to look in and step back and go, okay, what we're doing isn't working. It's time to turn the page from Travis Kelsey. It's time to turn the page from what we've been doing here, get some real help. Because what's starting to happen is we're starting to live in that legend of what used to be for the Kansas City Chiefs. And that's a very dangerous place to be. And what kept the Patriots a dynasty.

[D]

Want to be there? Trust me.

[A]

Yep. And what kept the Patriots a dynasty for 20 years is making those hard decisions and sending guys packing while they still had football left in them. And that's something that the Chiefs really didn't do lately. And it's very difficult because the fan base goes, oh, why'd you get rid of this guy? Or why'd you get rid of that guy. Or. We loved Adam Vinateri. He made all those big. All these players over there, Richard Seymour, I can go on and on for days and days. They got rid of guys when they still had football left in the 10. Butler, Malcolm Butler, all these guys. And what happened? They kept turning over, kept turning over and they kept getting better and better. And I think that's the one thing the Chiefs have to recognize this off season. And do they still have the quarterback? Mahomes has a good five, six years still of good quarterback play.

[C]

Oh, that. See, that's what I was gonna say. I would say. Were you advocating that Patrick Holmes needs to be off the Chiefs?

[A]

I'm. I'm advoc.

[D]

Take less money.

[A]

Like he needs to do what Brady did. Right.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

Brady historically always took money away. He's like, look, I got a million endorsements, I want to win. Take this money back. Go sign this guy. Go sign that guy. He would restructure his deal almost every other season. Go back and look at it, folks. A lot of players don't want to do that. Eagles don't want to do that. That's the only way.

[D]

I don't blame a guy for not doing that. But if you want to be. If you want to be what Brady was, that's the move you have to make. You have to take less money so that your team can afford to sign a big name running back, so they can afford to fix the offensive line.

[C]

But it's not really the problem here. You've argued Isaiah Pacheco's talent is so high and you've got Kareem Hunt, who's a viable third down back. They've got three. Well, Pacheco at the beginning of the season was like seen as like, hey, he's a super talented guy. You got three viable wide receivers, a Hall of Fame tight end. Are they really devoid of talent? That's. That's caught taking them from Kelsey's old.

[D]

The O line sucks. Pacheco's not the same. Right. So what do you have? You have Patrick Mahomes and you have Rasheed Rice for, you know, most of the season, but not the first month. Worthy has not been nearly what they thought he was going to be. So, you know, you need to fix the online, you need to fix the run game. Look, I thought Pacheco was going to be much better coming back. Maybe that's next year, like, Right, but you can't wait on that.

[A]

Nope, you can't wait.

[D]

You got to go draft a running back. Where you have to sign a running back and you got to fix the O line, you have to rest and you have to quit going for it on fourth down.

[A]

The inability. Yeah, that's a big one. That's, that's like that's a league wide illness that's going everywhere where especially it's situ again, situational football. That was my rant last week on this. Let's take a question here real quick before I get to the next one. Jamin Broncos DC London returning now? No, I didn't see him returning three weeks ago which is why I traded him and I went on my high horse and all the trade shows about trading him Welsh. Do you see London coming back this year? There's no reason I, I, he seemed.

[C]

Like it was a little bit like in question if he could come back. I kind of yeah but I kind of do think yeah, I think he can come back. I think he will come back. If it's not this week, it's next week. I'm not sure.

[A]

Wednesday night game, he ain't coming back this week.

[C]

Yeah, that's why, I mean probably why.

[D]

He didn't play this week.

[C]

That is a possibility. But I think he comes back weeks. I mean he come back week. Yeah, maybe but he could come back week 16. I think for these type of guys if you're within reason you want to come back to have that fresh look before the season ends so you're not like two months out of football and then the entire off season. I think he comes back. But to your point Joe, you know you might have been you're probably going to end up looking right of getting what you can for Drake London because guess what, if you're holding on to Drake London, I don't know if you're going to see week 16 and when he comes back and that may have been void.

[D]

He'll come back but he's going to come back just like Jaden Daniels did, right? Anything squirrely sideways happens, he's out.

[A]

Speaking of squirrely sideways, I hope that Welsh did not see the Zach Ertz injury because I know he is not one for those. That was, that was really bad metal. James Friend of the show always here on the streams with us. Pick four to keep in a full PPR league. You got Caleb Burrow, Drake London, Terry McLaurin, Javante, Bucky Olave, some good pieces McBride, Igbuka, Christian Watson, ATN. A lot of pieces here. Roma Dunes, Omarion Hampton. Who four who are the top four of this group guys?

[C]

Well it's Definitely. Drake, bucky and McBride and buka. That's it. Those are the answers.

[D]

Oh, Dunesay is in there.

[A]

I would keep egg Buka over a Dunes.

[C]

AK Big book over a Dunes.

[A]

They easy.

[D]

Let's see Bucky. So we said Bucky McBride.

[C]

It's Drake. Well, Drake is in there. Drake, London. So London, Bucky and McBride are easy. And then I think also Igbok is.

[A]

Easy, but I think so too.

[D]

London, Bucky McBride. Igbo.

[A]

Yeah, I, I, yeah, I'm not really keeping cool.

[C]

Mary Hampton's sliding in there too, which is kind of fun. But I'll take Bucky over him.

[D]

Yeah, good choices.

[C]

Yeah, those are good choices.

[A]

All right, let's get.

[C]

You should make your league, go to eight keepers and then you'd be doing well.

[A]

What was your big takeaway from week 14?

[C]

What was my big takeaway? My big takeaway. You don't even know. Well, no, we were just, we have had some, we had some abrupt changes. We're like Chiefs and then we're into this question. Vikings won 31 to nothing. And you go, oh, my gosh, they were so great. J.J. mcCarthy was back. That means. But Justin Jefferson should have been awesome.

Incorrect. He was. Two catches for 11 yards. It's over. It's, it's done. No, it's done. Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on. 31 to nothing and he can't get the ball. Four targets in the game.

[D]

Finally saw JJ McCarthy look good and you're gonna Justin Justin Jefferson because it wasn't evolved.

[C]

He's not involved. He'll never be involved. J.J. mcCarthy's not good. And when he is good, Justin Jefferson's not there. Done. Done with J.J. mcCarthy.

[D]

Disagree. Look, they left the, the tight ends wide open. They caught three touchdowns because they shut down Justin Jefferson.

[C]

Because that's all you have to do.

[D]

I'm not, I'm not buying that. I'm. Look, it's been bad and I'm not going to sit here and say that it hasn't been bad. And I'm not going to say that he's definitely a wide receiver, a high end wide receiver, one moving forward, but he's a wide receiver, one moving forward even that's 12 or 11 or whatever, because we saw McCarthy look good and you know, go back and look at his throws outside. He's fine throwing the ball. He didn't in this game, but he can throw the ball outside and even if he can't, they'll work him over the middle more. So I think McCarthy is going to be Fine. I think this was a good sign that McCarthy looked good and now he can start getting the ball to more people. So I think, I think Jefferson is going to be fine during the playoffs. The schedule is also awesome.

[C]

Well, yes, this week, I know this week's game. At best, he's a wide receiver three right now, all three games. But he does have the Cowboys this week and that is a great spot.

[D]

He has the Giants championship week and I think there's an easy one in between there.

[C]

Every human being, every human being on that defense, defensive front for the Cowboys and defensive secondary is they're going to lock down Justin Jefferson. So it's going to be Naylor, it's going to be Addison, it's going to be everybody but Jefferson. It can sit JJ McCarthy can't force throws and the first look can go to Jefferson and he checks immediately down to the safest option, which is never Justin Jefferson. So regardless of being the Cowboys, I think he is at best a wide receiver.

[D]

Cowboys, Giants, Lions in the playoffs.

[C]

Oh my, that's.

[D]

That's a great schedule.

[A]

Well, he's got to get more than four targets a game if he's going.

[D]

To be fantasy relevant trade for we need. Do you have Justin Jefferson somewhere? Can I trade all the dead?

[C]

Yeah, all the deadlines are dead. Dead as long. Go get somebody else next year besides JJ McCarthy. Even when he's good, it's not Jeff.

[A]

What's that take away from week 14.

[D]

Hold on, Joe, let me get my bed in here.

[A]

Oh, come on.

[C]

I don't want to. I don't want to bet you.

[D]

Come on. Oh, well, okay. Well, you'll say wide receiver 3. I'll say wide receiver 1. If he finishes as a wide receiver 2 or lower, nobody pays.

[C]

No, if he. The bet is he has to finish as a top 12 wide receiver this week. That's what you said.

[D]

No, no, that's your bet.

[C]

You wanted to bet. No, I thought you wanted to bet. You don't want to bet now? You want to interrupt segments?

[D]

I want the bet for the playoffs. Wide receiver won during the playoffs. If he's three or lower, you win. How about that? If she was wide receiver. If he. No, if he's wide receiver one, I win. If he's wide receiver two, nobody wins. If he's three or lower, you win. That's for the playoffs all three weeks.

[C]

I think we pull the chat and I think it's if he's not a wide receiver one.

[D]

Why do you always have to angle this like you're the House. So you get the extra juice.

[C]

What are you talking about? The name is below.

[D]

That's that. That's what you get.

[C]

You know, the name of this game is I win, and it's called I win.

[D]

The game is no bad.

[A]

It's heads, I win, tails, My.

[D]

My takeaway, gentlemen, was the Houston Texans defense is really, really scary. And the Chiefs, though, did blow this game. Yeah, this was a Chiefs choke job, not a Texans win. It was them going for it on fourth down. It was three interceptions from Patrick, Patrick Mahomes. It looked awful.

[A]

So Houston did win.

[D]

I still think Jacksonville is going to win that division, though.

[A]

Oh, I do too. But I think what Houston did effectively is they set the tone. Same thing the Patriots defenses. They set the tone physically. And, you know, I think Rushy Rice is still rolling around somewhere like, I don't know, he got smacked.

[D]

Like, I'm just saying that Jalen Petrie hit. I mean, he did look like a missile.

[A]

What I'm just saying, like, I think when you set the tone, you play physically. Nowadays, guys aren't ready for that as much much as they used to be. Like, it's just not something you see as much.

[C]

So that had to be in the head of Rice's big drop. Right? Just horrible. Horrible.

[A]

Right. But what I'm saying is, you know, you put in the context of once you start knocking guys around, the dropsies start happening all over the place.

[D]

They had nine drops last night, right?

[A]

Nine drops last night. And that is one of those things. Like, you start hitting guys and start getting physical next. And it happened in the Giants game on last Thursday too, with the Patriots. They started knock. I mean, talk about the montage of knocking guys around. Like they knocked Gunnar Olshevsky's the end off of his helmet. He just plays for the New York wise now. Like, he. It's like he just plays for the York Giants. Like, they are knocking guys all over the place.

[D]

The Giants of York.

[A]

The Giants of York. And they just like. I think it sets a tone and it sets a feeling where the guys are coming around the middle or they're just like looking around and that. It's that one split second where you're off on things, but you're 100. Right. Like, Mahomes did lose that game. But give the Texans a little credit. Like, physically they are. They show up, man, and they. They punch in the mouth. And I like that. And that's why these teams perform well in December.

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, I think Houston is going to be a great playoff team. If they make the playoffs, I don't think the offense is going to get them there. But if the offense gets hot, they can be real scary in the playoffs. We'll see.

[A]

All right, Bogman, your moment of the week. I had to do with. Was it a catch? Was it not a catch is that we're talking about?

[D]

Yeah, it's. Isaiah likely dropping the ball in the end Z zone and all these people crying about drop how it wasn't. It was not a catch. You have to it ball two, three steps, two steps and then a football move. Did not get that move in. Ball popped out and. And he lost it. So this guy has invented different ways to fumble into the end zone. Last year on. On opening night, remember, his toe was out of the back of the end zone and they should have beat the Chiefs in Kansas City. So Isaiah likely has been brutal and he. He missed a contract extension by this much as well because he refused to take it and they gave it to Mark Andrews.

[A]

Yeah. So if you're not going to take it, we're going to give it to this older guy, which is so weird too. That was such a. That was a bad choice.

[C]

Can I ask something, Joe? I know we've got something a little bit later like I just found it. Can we look at that catch? Because I think that was a catch. You didn't. You didn't know.

[A]

I thought it was a catch, to be honest.

[C]

I thought it was a catch too, because I don't think you need to.

[A]

Do a football move in the end zone. I think that's ridiculous. You catch the ball, I'm. It's a touchdown.

[D]

That's that. But that's what the referee said. The referee said the one that they had in the boot said, look, even if it's in the end zone, you have to complete the catch. And. And so you have to take the three steps, the two feet down and the football move.

[C]

It's okay. I sent the.

[A]

Here's what's weird is like you could have two feet down. If you're in the edge of the end zone catching a ball two feet down, there's no football move as you're sliding toe driving.

[D]

You have to secure the catch. If the catch is bobbling at all, I guess then it's out.

[A]

I guess I want to look at this. That's the rule.

[C]

Seth, can we do this? I just sent you a video of someone that has it in slow. I know we're going to look at something in a little bit.

[A]

Put that off. And we'll we'll debate that in a second because we got another video loaded off. Well, I want to give Seth enough time to prepare for that one. Seth is only one man and then the Bears just lost. So he's in his emotions. He's still got his bear stuff on, but I don't want to put too much pressure on him. It's Monday morning for him. Let's. Let's bring up the other one too. Let's welsh. Go to your moment and then we'll do the video tape here because I've got one for videos too.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, I mean mine. It's actually going to just be more. All of the drops like I had highlighted out the Chris Godwin drop on fourth that ended up leading to the Saints winning. The Saints winning that game is absolutely crazy. The Bucks just bobbling. That is berserk. Tyler Schuck leading that team to a win. But as we were talking more, I think I'm kind of taken back by the amount of drops that we've seen this season in big impactful spots. And also not just from like the Adonai Mitchells of the world who have a four catch rating in Madden, but like the Godwins and the Rasheed Rice's and like we've had a lot of this and it's like a bigger epidemic and specifically Chris Godwin has had a ton of them. So I don't know, I thought what was for the most part kind of a momentless week. I think the likely thing was a big one. The. The one we're going to talk about with Joe. I think you guys hit the main two. Yeah, I highlight Godwin and his drop and then kind of just talking about the drops as a whole are crazy.

[A]

Well, my moment of the week had to do with, with the Bears and the packers, which was a fun football game, you know, going back and forth and you feel the tension there. And the Bears had moments here at the end here to win this game. This last play of the game I want to bring up here. So Seth is going to bring up the video because I want to talk about this because I saw there was a lot of people talking about the play design not being good and that's a bunch of nonsense. You can see right here. The play design is perfect because Cole commit gets open right away. Cole is basically going to release from the line here and he is going to turn left. And if Caleb takes this two steps, see how he turns two steps. Boom. This is where you get rid of the football, come back a Little bit here because you could see that release. You could see that fake handoff he does as he rolls through. You're supposed to get rid of this football right here. Boom, he goes through it 1, 2. Now, as if he gets rid of this ball right now. You could see it's a walk in touchdown easily. So what does Caleb Williams do? The thing always Caleb Williams does, which is he extends play sometimes too long to his own detriment. He runs. There's no one near him. By the way, look at, look at that. This, there's five yards before anyone's near him. He does not have to run with anybody. He's not running away from anybody. All he has to do is deliver the football on time. Turn, one, two, throw. Instead, let's watch as he takes six more steps and then eventually what happens? The corner closes. The angle right here. And look, there's someone else's pointing it out. Just the way I was pointing out last night as I was watching the.

[C]

Game with my daughter, Samuel Acho.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's Acho's post here, but I was literally watching this game here. Emmanuel has this post. I. And we, I was talking with my daughter because she's a football player. And we were talking, I was like. And she's based quarterback. And I said, this is why it's so important, right, to just trust play design and get rid of the football on time. Because as he continues to try to do too much, not only does the corner close, you're going to see DJ Moore come underneath. Now he's going to be open, but he never even sees him. Why? Because he keeps extending the play. Let's play this out here. And what happens is he's in a position, it becomes a really difficult throw to the back of the end zone. It's really hard to do that, to throw over somebody. But literally when you see that release, here it is, he's going to come through here. He's going to go to that release. Let's rewind it to the beginning real quick. Again, just watch his play because you're going to see one more time. And again we're watching on the YouTube channel and on Twitch. Boom, there it is. He's open right there. That's the play. He extends too long, the corner closes and that's history because the corner knows exactly what's going. He's got time to figure it out. So that to me was the moment because I've seen a lot of social media stuff where like Ben Johnson had a bad play. Calls like, no, he didn't. That play design is perfect. That play design.

[D]

There were three mistakes by Caleb Williams.

[A]

Mistakes by Caleb Williams and two guys open that he missed.

[D]

You hold the ball too long.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Right. You don't look off your receiver at all to see if anybody else is open. Once you're. Because you're past that play. After you take that third step, the ball should not go to command. It should go somewhere else. Right. And then the third one was he threw it to commit way too late. So three, three mistakes on that. That was absolutely not a play design flaw. That was a Caleb Williams.

[C]

Yeah. And I think the biggest thing I've seen multip talking about just the Bears trying to hide Caleb and stuff like that. Caleb has all the skills in the world. He can run. You put him under pressure, he's not getting sacked. He has a cannon of an arm. But he has, he has a 4 awareness in Madden like his field awareness and his game awareness is well below average that he can't pick up the nuances of the game. But he absolutely has all the skills in the world.

[D]

33.6 times per game. They're not hiding him. That's 12th.

[A]

Yeah, see, I, I agree with Boss.

[D]

I don't, I don't think they're hiding him.

[C]

Well, I'm not saying I'm not. I'm just. I've seen a lot of people. You're not saying it's the difference.

[D]

I know you're not.

[A]

Again, it's the difference of the. Like the. What drove me crazy when I watch him at USC is the same stuff that he's doing now too, which is.

[D]

He holds the ball.

[A]

He holds the ball too long.

[D]

Cam Ward has the same issue, right.

[A]

He tries to make all these plays instead of just trusting the play, trusting the design. And if when you watch other quarterbacks play, right. Who trust the design, they're able to do it. You know what I always used to love when I was a kid? Watching Warren Moon play. Right. Warren Moon played in that incredibly. I know, but he was incredible to watch, right. With that offense with the Houston Oilers. Talk about trusting the process. And trusting guys are going to be where they're going to be. Like that guy was so great. Like you watch young Drake May now. Trusting where guys are going to be, trusting the play design. Like there's just guys out there. You just, just watch guys who just trust the process, know where to deliver the football and do. And unless Caleb starts to fix this kind of stuff is going to haunt him. I think his entire career. But he's got to.

[C]

Bogman hates Warren Moon, by the way, because when he was, like, 3 years old, bogman was on a plane with Warren. He was on a plane with Warren Moon, and Warren Moon was not about Bogman.

[D]

I don't even remember this, but my mom has told me the story about a hundred times. Well, you know, Warren Moon was a jerk. Earl Campbell was extremely nice.

[A]

Well, Earl Campbell sounds like a nice guy. All right, do we have the likely? Let's bring the likely up up here and see if we can get this video. Take a look here with Welsh here. So again, I thought it was a catch when I saw it. Welsh, what did you think when you saw the likely?

[C]

Yeah, I thought this was a catch. Especially when you, like, see it in slow motion. And you see. You see. You see three steps on the catch.

[D]

I'll be honest. I 100 thought it was a catch. I was shocked.

[C]

So here we go. There's the catch. Possession. Okay, we go possession.

[A]

One foot, two.

[D]

And now ball is out after the third foot comes down. But I guess step ball out. I've watched it 150 times.

[A]

It's a two toe drags in the corner of the end zone without making a quote, unquote football move. And it's a two.

[D]

Look, I would not be sitting here arguing, and we would not be talking about this if they had ruled that a touchdown. I. I would have had nothing to say about it, because that looks like a catch to me. Now, people have compared this to a Roman Wilson catch that he had in the end zone against Green Bay a couple of weeks ago, where it was almost the same thing. The guy knocked the ball out of his hand, but he was on, like, his sixth step when he was going backwards holding the ball out, and he had it and was stepping back, and his feet had come down like, three or four times or four or five times. So then they knocked the ball out. But that's a catch because it was three steps. This is two steps. Balls moving out of his hand before he gets that third foot down. That's it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

All right.

[C]

What's the catch?

[A]

There you have it, everybody. I. I think it's.

[D]

Hey, look, the Steelers got screwed by the Jesse James catching on catch against the Patriots. I don't want to hear it. Every team gets hosed by this. Every single team.

[A]

All right, let's transition to a little 311 action, then we'll do some fact or fiction and get out of here. First, the little update on the board for the 31 1. Only 300 yard passer last week that we got right. Both Boggman and myself got Deck Prescott.

[C]

Yay.

[A]

We didn't get anything else and Welsh of course got Nothing. So bogman 13. I'm at 12 points, Welsh is at 7. But still plenty of football left here. So Welsh is still in this I am taking this week. Drake, May 1st 300 yard game. He hasn't had one yet. Why not this week against Buffalo? I'm gonna go CMC versus Tennessee. That's right. I'm gonna see a lot of CMC against Tennessee. I can tell you that coming off that buy, they're gonna run him amok. And then Pukinakua versus Detroit. So those are my 31 ones. Bogman, what's your 311 for week 15?

[D]

We're going to go Joe Burrow against those Baltimore Ravens who we just talked about and they cannot stop the pass. Baron Rogers just had 290 yards on them. So I think they'll be okay. Then for running back, we're going to go to Travis ETN against the Jets. The jets have pretty much given up. We saw that against Miami this week and there's probably not going to be any Tooton, so we will see. And then my 100 yard receiver I'm gonna go back to. It didn't hit for me this week, but JSN did have like 94 yards. So I was right on the doorstep. I had to go double check and make sure that Joe wasn't hosing me out of that.

[A]

Dude, we had to. I, we had drinks because the week I picked him he had 95 and the week you picked him he had 94. Like we are really in a bad way there, so it sucks.

[D]

We're just gonna. I'm just gonna probably take him until he hits JSN. Against the Colts, I think they'll have the ball a bunch because it's probably gonna be Riley Leonard and he probably gets us pretty early.

[A]

All right, Welsh 31 1. What do you got?

[C]

Who cares what I have to say? I'm the worst at this game. Like I'm. If I, if I don't do anything this week again, I'm gonna just start using coach on fantasy pros and I'm gonna just start asking coach what it can do for me. But yeah, who cares what I have to say? I am gonna go with Dak vs. Minnesota, probably throws for 220. Derek Henry vs. Cincinnati probably runs for 45 and George Pickens vs. Minnesota to stack. He will probably have zero catches and get thrown out of the game.

[D]

No, he bought. Well, that. That is definitely a possibility, but it's either going to be he starts to fight and gets tossed or he has 12 catches for 200 yards because Richard Sherman talks. Mac about.

[A]

All right, let's do five good minutes of fact or fiction. Or fact or fiction. Genti can be trusted in the playoffs. Bogs.

[D]

Fiction. I don't know if Kenny Pickett's going to be in there. All they do is stack the box. There's no hope for the Raiders. Fiction.

[A]

All right, you agree, Welsh?

[C]

Fiction. Fiction.

[A]

Do we get a. Do we get a coaching change there next year? Year. Is it one and done for me, Carol?

[D]

I think it should.

[A]

Stefanski finally get his way out after losing to a one win team at home. I think Stefanski might have found a way to get himself fired, which I didn't think was possible in this year, but it looks like he could.

[D]

There's a possibility that he knows how to get fired. Every coach in the AFC north could be replaced. Because if the Steelers do make the playoffs and lose by 30 again, there's a possibility that that happens. The Ravens fans are tired of John Harbaugh. Apparently, for whatever reason, Zach Taylor's getting canceled.

[A]

Happened. Has it the entire division?

[D]

I don't think it has. Stefanski is gone too. Like, I think. I think the. The Cleveland and Cincinnati jobs are already done at the end of the year.

[A]

I agree with this.

[D]

Baltimore and Pittsburgh or maybe.

[A]

All right, fact or fiction. Will the Texans win their division? I say fiction. Welsh, what do you say? I think Jacksonville still wins it.

[C]

I'm gonna go fiction as well. I think Jacksonville is on a pretty good momentum right now. I mean, I will say that it is. Is within reach though. It is absolutely within reach. They have been. Houston's been obviously great. They're great at home. But it's like the Texans don't they. Or the Jaguars don't really have one of those pieces where it's like, man, they're really bad at home or on the road. Like, no, they're great at home. They're great on the road. They've been one of the best in the division. So I'm gonna say fiction.

[A]

They got a good schedule box. That's why I keep pointing to they got another game against Tennessee. So I think they just hold out. Especially now that they play Indy again in Tennessee and now they're gonna play India a second time without Daniel Jones for the second time. Like, I just think this is the Jags division.

[D]

How to lose before the it's probably going to be the Texans now because before the season started Welsh picked the Colts, I picked the Jaguars. It looked for half the year like the Colts were going to win. Now it looks like the Jags are going to win. So it's probably going to be the Texas. I'm going to stick with Jacksonville. I'm going to say fiction because I picked Jacksonville at the beginning of the year. I like Liam.

[A]

I want to open up a wound here but actually no, that's a lie. I do do let's go to factor fiction. Should we sit Justin Jefferson for the rest of the playoffs? Absolute fiction. He can't. He's a titanic player. If you made it to the playoffs, you have to play Justin Jefferson. Now you have to understand what you build around him is going to sink or swim. You basically, you might be Leonardo DiCaprio here at the edge of the raft or the piece of wood or whatever the hell it was. So I'm gonna say you still play in Boggs. I say it's a fiction. You said him.

[D]

It's a yeah, I'm obvious. And I think Welsh, you'll play him still too, right? He's just your wide receiver three Now.

[C]

I just said he's a wide receiver three. I think yeah, well I think be fact or fiction. It just depends on who you have. Like there is somebody out there that could have Jefferson and then they could have a great number two, a solid number three and then they could have picked up Michael Wilson. And if it's like the decision has to be hey Jefferson or Michael Wilson, I'll take Michael Wilson at this point over Jefferson without hesitation.

[D]

Speaking of, I mean I, I won't have Marvin Harrison. Real quick though, I want to ask one question about just Justin Jefferson. If Jefferson is a wide receiver one for the three weeks down the stretch here in the playoffs, does that move him back into high end in the first round or is he a low end first round pick?

[C]

JJ McCarthy's not the quarterback so.

[D]

So for you it's just JJ has to be gone for him to be a first round pick next year or he has to show like massive improvement the last.

[C]

I think like what Joe is saying. Yes, if, if Justin Jefferson is like nine catches for a hundred plus yards and all of these games and J.J. mcCarthy understands and knows how to throw to him like okay, that would be fantastic into it as we're seeing things right now to take Justin Jefferson in the first round in the sec. I think it's crazy. I think that's absolutely crazy right now.

[A]

I'll take a step further. Unless you see JJ plays poorly and Jefferson does not get footballs. I could see this going into the off season where Jefferson starts to get real chirpy about wanting to play with the Vikings.

[C]

IUK's available if they would like. He never complains.

[A]

He's going somewhere. You mentioned Michael Wilson. Another huge day for him. 11 catches for 142 and two touch. Unbelievable. So. So what do we do here? It's a fact or fiction question. Arizona should make Michael Wilson wide receiver one. He is wide receiver one. Like, that's just a fine no.

[C]

But when Harrison was active that one game, Michael Wilson's like, target bonanza kind of ended. And I think, like, to this answer, they should. They should stop trying to force it. Getting back to Harrison, let Michael Wilson every single week have 12 touches, 12 targets every single week. That is what they should do. He proves to be a better number one. Let Marvin Harrison be a complimentary wide receiver to Michael Wilson.

[D]

I agree. I think we're seeing the upside on Michael Wilson right now. He was always good at Stanford, but he was constantly injured. That was like the downside of drafting Michael Wilson. He has size, he has speed, but he's always on the pine. Now that he's in the pros, it seems to have been fixed. So I. I think that Michael Wilson could easily be the number one down there.

[C]

Hey, that. That fact to fix you. I didn't know if you were going to put that up or. You just put it up for a second. It was Marvin Harrison comes back. Boggs, who do you want? Michael Wilson.

[D]

I want Michael Wilson or.

[C]

No, but I meant my Michael Wilson or Justin Jefferson.

[A]

Oh, Michael Wilson.

[D]

Yeah, I. I mean, it's still Justin Jefferson. I understand. I understand that, but I. I agree with Joe. I think Jefferson is a Titanic pick.

[A]

Yeah. You go down with the ship, man. You just got to do it. It sucks. All right, last question here. We're gonna head out. Do we expect Mike Evans back this week?

[D]

I say yes.

[A]

Boggs, what do you say?

[D]

Yeah, I think he was pretty close this week. So I do.

[A]

Especially after that loss to the Saints. Well, she agree. All right, three for three. All right, so good luck. One of the playoffs, and hopefully you're enjoying the show. And if you do, make sure you subscribe to the channel. Subscribe to the Twitch. Twitch TV fantasy, bro. Subscribe to the YouTube channel. Again, free giveaways here. The trophy smack giveaway is going on right now as well. The golden Toilet can be yours by subscribing, dropping your comments below. That's how you win this bad boy. And of course go head out and check out Trophy Smack. This is a great time of year to be getting the rings and the awards for all of your leagues. And this is for the loser in your league, the Golden Toilet. We love having everybody hanging out with us here, so join us every single Monday on the twitch twitch at 2pm Eastern. That's the time for us. That'll do it for us, but the story of the game goes on for the Welsh and Scott Bogman. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time kids. Later.

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