FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast

Episode: Out of Bounds Ep. 1888

Date: December 9, 2025

Host: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia)
Co-hosts: The Welsh (Chris Welsh), Scott Bogman

Episode Overview

This episode dives into takeaways and strong opinions after a dramatic NFL Week 14, focusing on the fantasy playoff landscape. The hosts discuss breaking news (notably, the Daniel Jones injury), the playoff chase, teams’ future outlooks, and offer actionable waiver wire and trade advice for Week 15. They also debate hot “fact or fiction” listener statements, analyze player outlooks, and break down pivotal moments—mixing sharp fantasy insight with trademark banter and debate.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Playoffs, Elimination, and Goodbyes (00:34-03:38)

• Playoff Updates:

  • Joe playfully boasts about eliminating colleagues in multiple leagues and asks how many playoff spots everyone locked up.
  • The roundtable reveals their own successes and failed bids, commiserating over the "awkward tension" of beating friends.

• Memorable Quote:

  • Welsh (01:50): “I'm sure you handled it great. I'm sure you didn't go like, man, can you believe I didn't just knock all of you out, you dumb idiots. I'm so great. Look at me, Joe Pisapia. I'm sure that's not-- pretty much everything…”

2. Daniel Jones Injury Fallout & Giants’ Future (Daniel Jones Discussion: 04:28-07:19)

• Major News: Daniel Jones’ Achilles injury (9-12 month recovery), future very uncertain.

• Franchise Tag or Free Agency?

  • Bogman expects the Giants to franchise tag Jones unless something drastic changes:
    “I think you franchise him...the draft isn't filled with a bunch of superstar quarterbacks either.” [05:00]
  • Welsh floats potential trade options and dark-horse names.

• Impact on Skill Players:

  • Discussion about the team possibly “stacking the box” against Giants RB Jonathan Taylor given QB uncertainty; Pittman and other pass-catchers projected to see diminished upside. [12:34-13:50]

• Memorable Quote:

  • Bogman (05:51): "Coming back from an Achilles injury is not good for any position. Doesn't matter. And that's his plant foot as well. So they're going to rush him back, he's going to come back too soon, he's going to have a bad year next year."

3. Recapping Wild Week 14: Bills, Bengals & Ravens (07:29-12:20)

• Bills vs. Bengals: Is Buffalo back?
  • Welsh is noncommittal: "I think it's something in the middle..." [08:54]
  • The Buffalo offense is still inconsistent outside of Josh Allen.
• Lamar Jackson, Ravens, and Defensive Woes:
  • Bogman: “That defense is rough, man. The secondary is really leaky. But the thing that makes the secondary leaky is a lack of pass rush.” [10:42]
  • The group debates if Lamar is “must start” in Week 15 against the Bengals; consensus: You play your studs in the playoffs.

4. Takeaways: Chiefs Dynasty Needs a Reboot (16:26-18:37)

• Joe's Takeaway: “It’s time for the Chiefs to rebuild.” [16:26]

  • Argues it’s a dangerous strategy to lean on “the legend of what used to be,” urges Kansas City to make tough decisions like New England did with their dynasty.
  • Openly discusses Travis Kelce’s decline and need for roster refresh.
  • Advocates for Mahomes to consider restructuring his contract, a la Tom Brady.
  • Hosts agree: O-line changes needed, run game must improve, stop aggressive 4th down gambles.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • Joe (16:26): “At a certain point, they had to reinvent themselves. I think that's what the Chiefs have to do. ...What kept the Patriots a dynasty for 20 years is making those hard decisions...”
  • Bogman (18:19): “If you want to be what Brady was, that's the move you have to make—you have to take less money...so your team can afford to fix the offensive line.”

5. Waiver Wire & Dynasty Advice: Ricky Pearsall and More (Redraft & Dynasty Focus: 15:25-16:26)

• Pearsall: Strong dynasty hold, definite drop in redraft.
  • “There’s no reason to hold Ricky Pearsall...but in dynasty, he is a strict and straight hold. Let them get to next year...he can be a #1.” [15:25]
• Short takes on other relevant pickups.

6. Fact or Fiction: Rapid-Fire Listener Questions (Various Times: 39:18-44:29)

• Can Josh Jacobs be trusted in fantasy playoffs? Fiction – Raiders offense in disarray.
• Will the Texans win the AFC South? Fiction – All hosts favor Jaguars’ schedule and overall team.
• Should we sit Justin Jefferson rest-of-playoffs? Fiction – Hosts agree you have to play your studs, but Welsh expresses real concern:
  • “He’s a Titanic pick. You go down with the ship, man.” [44:29]

7. Takeaway & Moments of the Week (22:04-30:53)

• Chiefs/Texans Recap:
  • “The Houston Texans defense is really, really scary. And the Chiefs...did blow this game.” [25:52]
  • Physicality of Houston's defense affecting Chiefs’ receivers (Rice, Godwin) and leading to 9 drops.
• Justin Jefferson Concern:
  • Welsh: “Done. Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on...31-0 and he can’t get the ball? Four targets in the game.” [22:33]
  • Bogman counters: “I'm not buying that...he’s still a wide receiver one for fantasy, but barely.” [23:06]
• Memorable Bet Segment (23:54):
  • Welsh: “If he’s not a wide receiver one, I win.”
  • Bogman: “Why do you always have to angle this like you’re the house so you get the extra juice?”

8. Deep-Dive: Drops Epidemic and Broken Play Designs (29:59-32:11)

• Welsh laments the rise of key drops among top wide receivers, impacting outcomes.
• Joe dissects a crucial Bears/Packers play, blaming Caleb Williams’ tendency to “hold the ball too long” rather than play design.
  • Joe (32:11): “This is why it's important to trust play design and get rid of the football on time...”

9. “Was It a Catch?” Debate: Isaiah Likely TD Controversy (35:42-36:53 and surrounding)

• Isaiah Likely Red Zone Catch:
  • Detailed breakdown and playback; split opinions on whether it met the NFL's “football move” standard.
  • Bogman (36:10): “I've watched it 150 times...if they had ruled that a touchdown, I would have had nothing to say about it...that looks like a catch to me.”

10. 3-1-1 Game: Week 15 Picks (37:03-39:18)

• Week 15 picks for 300+ yd passers, 100+ yd rushers, and 100+ yd receivers.
  • Joe: “I'm taking Drake May for his first 300-yard game...”
  • Laughs about their ongoing futility at these picks.

11. Coaching Changes Coming? (39:35-40:15)

• Rapid speculation that several AFC North head coaches could face the axe, especially after embarrassing losses (Stefanski, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Taylor all mentioned as not entirely safe).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Justin Jefferson cannot be counted on...31-0 and he can’t get the ball? Four targets in the game.” — Welsh, [22:33]
• “He’s a Titanic pick. You go down with the ship, man.” — Joe, on starting J. Jefferson, [44:29]
• “Physical teams set the tone in December. It’s contagious—once you start knocking guys around, the dropsies start all over the place.” — Joe, [26:27]
• Nostalgic tangent: Warren Moon > young QB trust; Caleb Williams' “Madden 4 awareness” draws laughs.

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Playoff banter and introductions | 00:34-03:38 | | Daniel Jones injury fallout | 04:28-07:19 | | Bills, Bengals, Ravens analysis | 07:29-12:20 | | Jonathan Taylor and Giants fantasy impact | 12:34-14:33 | | Ricky Pearsall redraft/dynasty advice | 15:25-16:26 | | Chiefs need a rebuild (big takeaway) | 16:26-18:37 | | Fact or Fiction (rapid-fire section) | 39:18-44:29 | | Was It a Catch? (Likely Red Zone TD) | 35:42-36:53 | | Weekly 3-1-1 picks | 37:03-39:18 |

Final Takeaways

• Focus for fantasy managers:

  • Trust your elite players in the playoffs, but monitor injury reports closely (e.g., Daniel Jones, Mike Evans).
  • Chiefs’ offense needs a reset—be cautious valuing aging stars beyond 2025.
  • Don’t overreact to one bad week, but acknowledge red flags, as with the Vikings passing game and Ravens defense.

• Quotes to Remember:

  • “You go down with the ship, man.” – On fantasy’s harshest ‘start your studs’ truth.
  • “Caleb Williams has all the skills in the world, but he has a 4 awareness in Madden.” – On rookie QB struggles.

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