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Joey P
Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the fantasy football podcast. It is me, Joey P. Joe P. Zeppia. Happy holidays everybody. The Thanksgiving week is here and we are the show that keeps on giving. What we give to every week, waiver wire claims off the wire for your teams. That's what we give you. And Jake Seeley from the Athletic is here this week for week 13 to get you a few more side dishes for your main course of a roster as we enter a very fun week of football. There's lots of games on Thursday. You got Friday football, you got college football. So you got everything going on and of course, all your Sunday games as well. Jake, let's dive right into it here and let's talk about Emanuel Wilson because obviously that was a guy we were high on last week. We talked about the waiver wire show. The full 1, 2, 2 touchdowns. Big day from him. Josh Jacobs, no surprise he didn't play. I mean, if you weren't reading those tea leaves all week, I don't know what you were looking at. It was a very slim chance that he was going to play in that game and of course he did not. And Emmanuel Wilson did a good job. He was the waiver wire pickup of the week last week on the full waiver show. And this week, if he's still floating around there, he's got to be an AD right now. The problem is it's going to cost you a lot more. Fab.
Jake Seeley
It is he, he feasted to lean into all your little puns that you just had there because, oh, by the way, you also missed a Survivor Series on Saturday night. So if you want like something every single day fan, like wrestling fans like us, right. I will say the reason we're just talking Manuel Wilson is just it's a short week. I know Josh Jacobs said, but put it on paper that he's playing this week, but I'm putting it on paper and it's like a game where, yes, it's a divisional game. Yes, it's on the road. Yes. You want to be able to beat the Lions and be like, you know, take some control of that division and put it in your own bucket of your control. But at the same time, what Emmanuel Wilson just did, and if they wanted to give him the extra layoff on top of that for that being Josh Jacobs and not bring him back on a short week, that's why, like, I would still waivers going to run before we probably get news of like officially if Josh Jacobs is playing. So like you said, if he's still out there, he's going to cost you quite a bit. It's probably only one week play, but I'm pretty sure everybody who played them this week is a one week play is pretty happy about it.
Joey P
Yeah, they're pretty happy. Look, last two weeks, the one week plays of Michael Wilson, Emmanuel Wilson, you know, every Wilson pretty much has been pretty spectacular there, except Zach. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Zach Wilson. But look, speaking of paper, you know, like, I gotta say, it's kind of, it's kind of flimsy here, so I put it on paper. I mean, what are we doing here? Look at it just, it's just, it's flying around here. It's Josh Jacobs. No offense, but you just tore the list. There you go. I did just tear the list. All right. Old school for you. All right, let's talk about another running back here. Let's start with Devin Neal. Your thoughts on him going into this week.
Jake Seeley
This really just has everything to do with Alvin Camaro going to this game questionable and that he played and then exited the game. And like Devin Neal hasn't been impressive, let's be honest about it. And this offense might use Devin Neal and Taysom Hill in the backfield as they did in the game once Alva Camara left. So it's not a definite locked in like this isn't Emmanuel Wilson situation. This isn't even Bam Knight. This is volume. And what you probably could get is the Lester Vidal games with the upside that hey, maybe he hits top 15 running back value. But at this point of the season, if he finally starts to click, he is a rookie maybe learning things in the NFL. You have to take the chance on him as the number one because this is. Let's go back to last year. Joe, you remember this. Who was one of the biggest running backs in fantasy the final few weeks? Amir Abdullah. Like don't. Just don't throw your n. What is that? Throw your nose in the air. Now throw your thumb, thumb your nose Thumb your nose. What I'm trying to think of the saying, don't put your nose up.
Joey P
I tell you, I don't know where you're going with this one. I. You know, you know what I'm trying to say. Thumb, nose. Throw your hands in the air. Oh, see, I say, I was just going to wave them like I just.
Jake Seeley
Throw your thumb up your nose in the air.
Joey P
Sure. You can tell the break is close, everybody. You can tell it's very close.
Jake Seeley
You can. That place is so busy and nobody can ever get in that nobody goes anymore.
Joey P
That's right. There you go. Another. Another famous Bear ism. Anything else to share or are you fresh?
Jake Seeley
No, we can move on to the wide receivers.
Joey P
We have a lot of wires, Chimray, dk, who I had to drop in the league this week because I said to myself, look, when am I gonna play this guy? I need more fresh bodies here for this week. I gotta pick up some other dudes. And. Well, it was a pretty good day for him. DK had five receptions for 44 and a touchdown. He also had a punt return for a touchdown as well. In leagues that, you know, give you return yardage, I mean, that's a must add right now. And the Titans were plucky. I mean, they lost 30 to 24. Like, you know, they showed up, put on some points on the board against Seattle. But what, what does DK's role look like here going forward too? Do you. Do you think there's a sustainability here down the stretch as he continues to grow?
Jake Seeley
I think so because he's the intermediate option and he's going to be the one that's kind of peppered more than anybody else. It's Parker Washington without Jacoby Myers and out everybody else on the Jaguars, it's Greg Dorch. And the reason I bring up Greg Dorch is because. Oh, by the way, who did the Titans face this week? The Jaguars. Which? Greg George, by the way. Hint, hint. He's going to come up later in the show. Did a lot over the middle of the field and after the catch. And that's the appeal of dk. Look, he's not a set and forget it, he's going to have bad games. He's still only a wide receiver. 4. But the real appeal of what I like him is not just the rapport that we knew about dk. And you're right, I was in a league where I had to drop him too. He was also banged up and there was a question of whether he was going to be out there for weeks. Well, he took the shot to the chest. The concussion he cleared. But all that being said is there's questions about him. So I dropped them too. In a league where I, I went and picked up Yoshevis, by the way, another name. But you're looking at the, the value of Cam Ward looked good in this game. And I'm not saying everything's fixed and Cam Ward is great, but going against the Seahawks defense, he looked probably the best he's looked as. Actually, no, I'll just say he looked the best he's looked as. As a rookie against a really good defense. And I'm not saying everything's fixed, but I'm saying it's fixed enough. Where I have some faith going against the Jaguars, who just like Greg Dorsch, do a lot after the catch, DK will fall into the wide receiver 4 territory of my ranks this week.
Joey P
All right, next up here, John met you. I have to say I told some people earlier in the week who was like, al, there's nothing on the waiver wire. I said, ah, you know what, Throw a flyer on John Metchie, you know, because I was like John Metchie when he was in Alabama and he had the worst set of circumstances. Dude comes into the league with a Texas team that was very bad at the time and, and then has to do with cancer and, you know, made it back to the NFL, which is amazing. But guys pass him on the depth chart and all that and he's getting a second lease here literally on life and career, which is great. It's a good story. But I'm not trying to buy in because it's a good story. I'm buying in because I think he's a good possession wide receiver. That was the role he played at Alabama. He was the guy that helped you move the chains and at the time, Jameson Williams was the guy that took the top off the defense and it worked very well for that team that went to many national championship. Now 6 for 65 of the touchdown with Tyrod Taylor. If Taylor is the quarterback, rest of season has met you a guy in PPR, they can get you 10 points every week.
Jake Seeley
That's about where I would put it at. The big thing about it is I thought Adonai Mitchell was still a good pickup to deeper leagues is like the higher ceiling. They tried to make Mitchell a thing in the first game where he was dropping everything and they tried again this week and there weren't as many things that were Mitchell's fault. That being said, like he would make the.
Joey P
For seven, though. Seven targets, two catches, not a great.
Jake Seeley
But they were. Like he wasn't dropping them like he was the week before. This was more of Taylor and him not being on the same page. I say that to say, like, if we were doing another five, Mitchell will probably make the list for the fact we're looking at guys under 50% on sleeper, which kind of eliminates a lot of names. But anyway, I'm with you on Metchi for the reason that to go back to last week, he ran more routes. He was actually out there the most of all the jets wide receivers. And then as of today, we're still waiting for the actual full reports. We're doing this on Sunday night, by the way. So if anything happens in Sunday Night Football and you're like, oh, you didn't mention that. That's why.
Joey P
So the Tuesday live stream is for everybody. We do it every Tuesday on the channel. I mean that we pick up the pieces. D bro and I. Yeah, I mean, come on.
Jake Seeley
Why are we talking about something from the 49ers, Jo? But that. That's the real thing. You said it is the possession wide receiver. He's the reliable option where Mitchell could still take the top off the defense. And you saw it. He actually basically ran himself out of his boots at that one point. But Matthew is going to be the consistent one. But again, just a wide receiver for it because he plays to the Jets. I think the. The total for this game, for them, the implied total was like 13 and a half and like that. You just saw the jets like barely gotten to that. Whether it was the final number then the jets was at 1710. No, they didn't even get there.
Joey P
10.
Jake Seeley
10. Yeah, I'm still parsing through everything over here. That's how bad it was.
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Joey P
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Jake Seeley
Well, we've actually gone long on the first couple of guys, so how about this? Just check last week's show, rinse and repeat. Jaden Higgins, he is. Yeah, we're talking about, we're talking about a lot of wide receiver fours. And it's that point of the year where like, unless something happens with the Chase Higgins situation, which we are going to get to as kind of like a bonus because there's a lot of revolving door parts at that situation. But anyway, point being is how many wide receiver twos you're going to find at this point. You're not really, unless, like Luther Burden, if DJ Moore were to get hurt. But at this point, wide receiver fours have value and Jaden Higgins has been running as the number two. The best, best part about it is that David Mills is looking for him in the red zone and he was already getting looks from CJ Stroud in the red zone, which I know a lot of people are like, oh, C.J. stroud could actually be a downgrade, talking about Davis Mills being the best thing the Texans have ever seen. But all that being said is like, let's chill on that take and just understand that Higgins is still a red zone threat with, with C.J. stroud or Davis Mills.
Joey P
All right, let's talk about an Arizona Cardinal wide receiver. No, not Michael Wilson, who has 300 yards in the last two games. I mean, holy cow. I got. I gotta say like that. That's not shocking to me. But Deutsch is at least surprising. And I know you've mentioned him several times on the show already. Six for 53 and a touchdown for him. So again, the evolution of his Cardinals offense, which Kobe Brissender, center, a very interesting one, they lost to the Jaguars. You know, once again, the Jaguars are a team that I. I cannot put my finger on. Whatever, it's an overtime game. When they keep winning, I. I never know when they're gonna win, when they're gonna lose. I told Eric's I should never bet them again. And of course this week I bet the Arizona Cardinals to. Well, I bet them to cover. So, you know, they, they did. It was. But still, it was just frustrating at the same time. So here we go. Let's talk about Greg Dortch here, because Dortch is at 6:53. As I said, he did see nine targets in this game. They've been throwing a ton. So they're not afraid to throw the football. Excuse me. With Jacoby Brissette, that is very clear. Whether or not Kyler Murray ever works his way back into this picture is unclear. But starting to look, I mean, at this point, I don't, I just don't know how that's going to change the dynamic of what's going on in that wide receiver room.
Jake Seeley
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. And you know last week when we talked about Michael Wilson is like, oh, Brissette's not going to throw 57 times a game. Well, he still threw 49 times.
Joey P
Yeah, only 49.
Jake Seeley
Oh, well, it did include some overtime. But the biggest thing here is if you look at it, I just pulled up the box score to reference it. Michael Wilson, 15 targets, Trey McBride 10 targets, Greg Dorch nine. The next closest was Bam Knight, a running back. So it's really what it comes down to until Marvin Harrison comes back. And again, we are doing this right now on Sunday, and we're not. I mean, this would probably be your waiver show. We're still gonna not going to have news. But if Marvin Harrison were to come back this week, you throw out Greg Dortch and you still keep the Michael Wilson situation. But it is appendant appendix. Appendectomy. Appendix surgery.
Joey P
I'm having trouble. I'm just gonna say this is why we typically record in the morning, but Jake's like, I gotta. You know, I got an early thing in the morning. I gotta. I got a doctor appointment thing I gotta take care of. It's like, okay, fine, we'll go at night. Clearly, Jake Seeley, not a night owl. I think we just established that on the show.
Jake Seeley
He wants a reference. Evan Ingram.
Joey P
No, that's only between you and me. No one else will find that funny. Once upon a time, Jake Seeley, when he is sleep deprived, Jake's not as nice. Deprived.
Jake Seeley
I'm on drugs for my neck.
Joey P
That's the thing. Oh. Ah, see, there we go. But. But the closest you'll get to Jake Seeley, a good time Jake Seeley, quote, unquote, is always over. Tired Jake Seeley, which I think we're getting tonight with a combination of maybe a couple pills for the neck. This is a good time. I can't wait for the bonus time with you today. I gotta be honest. Like, bonus time could be really good.
Jake Seeley
I don't even know if it'll be English at that point.
Joey P
Well, it was fun having Jake on all this season for the Athletic. Hopefully your contract gets renewed.
Jake Seeley
It's just, if Marvin Harrison's back, you don't worry about Greg Dorch. But I mean, coming back from that surgery, is he going to be back this week? And this one, he's only this far down the. Put it this way. If Marvin Harrison wasn't back for the rest of the year, you could argue Greg Dorch should be the top one because Michael Wilson's already picked up. If Marvin Harrison's back in two weeks, he's still on this list. It's just the question of when and if Marvin Harrison comes back.
Joey P
Okay, I know you wanted to mention Yoshi Voss again, so talk to me about him and then any other bonus guys before you completely black out.
Jake Seeley
I know. I brought up Luther Burden as well. Hey, I'm going for PT tomorrow to figure out my deck. By the way, it is a pinch nerve and a collapse. C4 or C5, C6. So that's what I'm dealing with.
Joey P
Benching 320. Man, I told you, you got to slow down, bro.
Jake Seeley
320. I would.
Joey P
D. Jake Seal is just pressing the 320 up there, man. It's unbelievable. The bars bent like this.
Jake Seeley
I have some packs, but I. Does this look like 320 packs?
Joey P
No, they do not.
Jake Seeley
220. I think 220 was my last max. I don't even remember at this point. I think that was the last time I tried my Max, I'm not a Max person. Anyway, Luther Burden just honorable mention because we got to keep bringing him up. Yes, DJ Moore bounced back. Yes, DJ Moore had a good game as everybody including myself, Sabotage dropped him. Like you know, haha. DJ Moore has one touchdown in the year. He hasn't done anything in weeks and everybody's like ah, Sabotage drop. And what does he do? He goes nuclear. I don't expect DJ Moore to continue to do this, especially because Luther Burden continues to eat into that slot roll. But also the snap. So still Luther Burden. Because the biggest upside is if anything happened to A Dunes A or DJ Moore, make sure Luther Burden, similar to handcuff running backs is rostered right now. But the Bengals play on Thursday. That's why we have to bring up Yoshi versus and Tinsley T. Higgins left with a concussion. I would say I think you assume the same. Joe is highly unlikely. Like he comes back on it.
Joey P
Look how many guys not miss at least one week. It's always one week. Unless it was a very, very low grade situation.
Jake Seeley
There was one person, it was like three, two, three years ago it was and like came back for a Thursday game and we were like, but what.
Joey P
It was like a very low grade. It was like they just cleared protocol very quickly and it wasn't very serious. But again you just don't see it and you shouldn't like they should make sure that they're stabilizing everybody and going through all the protocols for these guys long term health.
Jake Seeley
So yeah, Yoshavis, he was only going to be a one week play but now you get another one week play out of him. And if you're a super, super deep leak. Mitchell Tinsley was making some plays in that game where it wouldn't be a shock if this week with Chase coming back that chase these 20 targets from Joe Flack. Actually it might be Joe Burrow but somebody else is going to spill into this and it might be Gasicki. Again it might be Yoshivas but it also might be Tinsley. If you're in your super deep league and you're like the people Joe, you know ones that watch us and they're all the time, they're like none of these guys are available in my league. Mitchell Tinsley is available in your league. Don't lie to me.
Joey P
Definitely available.
Jake Seeley
You're not playing 2018 league.
Joey P
Don't even pretend like like he's rostered because it's zero on sleeper. I already look before the show. All right, Remember if you need some extra help here like Jake clearly needs some extra help. The Waiver Central can help you. I don't know if it can help Jake Z at all, but again, go to fancy bros.com myplaybook or just download the Fantasy Bros app and let Waiver Central help direct you on the right path to Waiver Wire gold. That'll do it for us, but the story of the game goes on for Jake Seeley. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids.
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Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia)
Guest: Jake Ciely (The Athletic)
In this episode, Joey P. and waiver-wire expert Jake Ciely break down Week 13’s top fantasy football waiver wire pickups. With the regular season’s home stretch and playoffs looming, they focus on key adds—especially running backs and wide receivers—who can provide either immediate or depth value. The discussion is peppered with actionable insights, an honest assessment of recent performances, and some lively banter about fantasy dilemmas late in the season.
On waiver wire desperation:
On Metchie’s journey:
On fantasy handcuffs:
Banter on sleep, exhaustion, and neck injuries: