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Joey P (Host)
welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the fantasy football podcast. It is me, Joey P. Joe P. Zapia and today we're going to take a look at some of the landing spots post NFL draft, what it means for all your fantasy draft shares, what it means for your dynasty leagues, your redraft. We're gonna have some great discussions about some wide receivers and some tight ends with my favorite of all the analysts here. That's right, don't tell anybody else, don't tell Debro, don't tell Andrew Erickson. It's Jake Seeley from the Athletic, everybody. And it's Pat Fitz Morris. I can't. I love everybody year and I am back fresh from the NFL draft too, which was an incredible experience. I just want to tell everybody out there if you're a fan of the NFL and the draft is headed to a city anywhere near you, we're talking like two, three hour drive, whatever it is, go. It's like Coachella for football fans. It's an all weekend event. The the interactive stuff is amazing. The NFL puts on a party. It is fun, it's a great time. Go with your friends, go with your family, take everybody with you. It's an experience you'll remember for the rest of your life. I got to take my daughter and also I ended up going with my best friend and his son and it was great. We had the best time. And then we played some flag football on the weekend too. Absolute core memory stuff. I love it and I just want to encourage everybody to go do that. But of course there's business to have here. We're talking about business and we're going to talk some of these players right now. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast feed and of course to the YouTube channel as well as we discuss some of these players. And gentlemen, I'm going to start here with some of the instant impact guys. I want to talk about guys that we're going to see in 2026. Come in there and actually make an impact right away because we know this draft class has taken a lot of hits, right? Jake Seeley. They've Taken a lot of shots over the last couple months here. It's not that good of a class. We all know that. It maybe doesn't have the star power of some other classes, but it doesn't mean there aren't some guys that can come in there day one, week one, and make a difference in fantasy. So give me a name on your list right now, Jake, that you think people should be paying attention to, that you think can do just that.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
I'm tired. I'm actually already tired. It has nothing to do with the fact that I woke up.
Joey P (Host)
I thought it was my intro. I thought the interest.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Actually, you set me up. I was surprised by that. I thought you were about to say my favorite was Pat, not me first. And I said, like you completely.
Joey P (Host)
Well, I do like Pat more than you.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
That's.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Everybody knows that threw that sweeper on me. So, no, I Woke up at 4, got back at 1 o' clock in the morning going to Pittsburgh. I wasn't there for draft day. I was there the day before. I'm not tired from that. I'm tired from already having this discourse everywhere I can find about how Makai Lemon is going to suck with the Eagles. Like, I just. I'm exhausted already. Like, it's. I put it this way, there's two things here. I'll give you two comparisons is one, first is like, people want to blank on Jalen hurts so much that Lemon is now catching shade. And because we talked about Lemon before the draft, talked about the fact that his ceiling is Amaranth St. Brown, which, by the way, there was concerns about Amaran St. Brown only being slot ability. We heard Jordan Addison back when he was drafted, potentially only having slot ability. We heard Jackson Smith, a Jigba just a few years ago, potentially only having slot ability. And we're going so far down this road of hating on Hertz that now we're hating on Lemon. And all of a sudden Lemon goes from tier one to. He can only succeed short to intermediate over the middle of the field and nowhere else because everybody's bringing up that Jalen hurts, doesn't throw over in the middle that much. There's a difference between doesn't and can't. And he absolutely can. He is actually one of the best throwing over the middle. When you look at any number you want, touchdown to interception ratio, touchdown to percentage of attempts, completion percentage, on target percentage, pick one, he's top five, top 10 in like everything. It's just. He doesn't need to. This is an offense that was built not to scheme wide receivers over the middle. And yes, AJ Brown used to do more with the Titans, but the Eagles didn't ask them to do that. And Hertz, yes, is a better outside, deep ball thrower, but this is. I'll give you my baseball comparison, Joe. This is like people complaining that Kyle Schwaber doesn't hit enough doubles. Who cares? Like, that's not his primary skill set. Can he still hit doubles? Yes, but his primary skill set is otherwise. And now you look at this and you're really going to tell me that the Eagles not only drafted Lemon, they traded up to make sure they got Lemon. They took him in the first round with AJ Brown sitting next to his bags, getting ready to walk to the New England Patriots. And they're going to say, you know what? We're still only going to use Lemon in this one specific way, and we're not going to adjust our offense with Sean Manion, who, by the way, runs a very balanced offense with a lot of play action shotgun. And getting his wide receivers into zone space. Oh, my God. What does Lemon do? Obliterate zone space? It's just baffling to me. Yes. Is it a spot where we do have to associate a little bit more risk? Yes. At the same time crucifying him and saying how bad Jalen hurts is. He's not. This is an offense that is going to change. Teams change with their weapons. And as you can tell, I'm just already tired about everybody destroying Makai. Lemon because Jalen hurts is so terrible.
Joey P (Host)
I always like when Jake is frustrated and just completely lost all of his patience and. And we haven't even turned the corner into May 1st. Like, that is vintage everything.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Everything else is a lot more positive. I'm just very tired over that.
Joey P (Host)
No, I get it. No, I totally understand. And look, Mikhail Lemon's a guy that's going to fight for the football. We all know what a dog he is. And I do agree that good teams always somehow change and evolve their offenses or even defenses based on the personnel they have. Right. And what's been, you know, what worked a couple of years ago for you, if you're the Eagles, clearly wasn't working last year. So you've got to go back to the salt mines and figure out what's going on. Now, my only reservation here really is less with Lemon, more with Mannion because it's first time offensive coordinator and I don't know what to expect necessarily out of him. This is a new role for him. So to me, that's a little Bit also, like you got to get all these guys to buy in. You got some veterans here, you got some guys who I know some people think that Devonta Smith can have a JSN type season. Like, okay,
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
sorry to jump back in, Joe. Admittedly the reference of the Manion offense is a very small sample. Like we're using the college, then there's practices and stuff like that. So it's a small sample of what we can expect. But at the same time, real quick to go back to the whole situation of what he's falling into and why I like him is we're talking about the target distribution. And I even looked at just the past two years, not the first two years before Saquon Barkley got there of them playing together the last two seasons. Well, if you look at it over a 17 game pace for A.J. brown, 136 targets for DeVonta Smith, 114. So even if DeVontae Smith takes the 1A and he only falls into Devontae Smith volume, that's still 114 targets he's well walking into from Jalen hurts as our rookie. Like, I just, I'm going to have a lot of Makai Lemon because I'm putting him first. Admittedly, the gap between all three are like here, here, here. If you want to argue for Tyson or Tate, I have no problem with it. I just go to Hertz versus Ward versus Shuck. I'm going to take Hertz's wide receiver. When they're that close, that's really what it comes down to.
Joey P (Host)
All right, we gotta get Pat here. Yeah, we gotta be. Pat's been.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
That's been quiet for way too long.
Joey P (Host)
So somebody wake Pat up. Pat, are you awake? You ready to do the show? All right, Pat. He wasn't Makai Lem the first wide receiver selected in this draft. And I know you want to talk about that guy. Carnell Tate who ended up with the Tennessee Titans, could be cam wards number one as early as 2026. They did bring in Wandell Robinson. They have a new head coach, they have a new oc. It's a lot of new, it's a lot of fresh. Sometimes that takes a little while to jive. So how does it work when you throw a rookie, even with the skill set of Carnell Tate into that kind of new mix of things?
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
I think it's going to work well, Joe. But first I, I just want to say I totally agree with Jake on the. Don't encourage him.
Joey P (Host)
Pat, why do you do that?
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Yeah, I really do Want to hear his take? I wanted to hear if he disagreed or was with me on this.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Jake had a Twitter thread where he really delivered the goods on this. As far as Jalen Hurts being bad about throwing over the middle, true, he's done it at a low rate, a much lower rate than other starting quarterbacks, but he has been really efficient at it. And Jake totally brought the numbers and the highlights to show that. And look, I. I just picked Tyson over or T. Lemon over Tyson in a rookie draft last night. And look, A.J. brown has had four straight thousand yard seasons. Devonte Smith has had three out of four in the one year he missed. He would have gotten there if he had missed four games. So like Jalen Hurts can support 2,000 yard receivers. And we know A.J. brown isn't long for Philadelphia to that point too.
Joey P (Host)
Like, I also wonder what that team looks like when you cut out. Like whether it is A.J. brown going to the Rams or to the Patriots or wherever he's going, we know he's going somewhere. We know it ain't Philadelphia. How much also does that maybe help kind of reset everything too, where maybe Jalen Hurts takes on a different sort of leadership role where. I'm not saying it wasn't his team to begin with. He won the Super Bowl. I'm talking about like, you know, sometimes locker rooms get weird and sometimes voices get loud. This is an opportunity here for Jalen Hurts kind of, I think, to really assume a different level at this stage in his career. And maybe at the most important time when they've hit the skids a little bit after having a lot of success. Do you think that is a good thing for a young player like Makai Lemon to come into that kind of scenario?
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
I think so. You know, there was obviously some disharmony with the AJ Brown situation.
Joey P (Host)
Probably reading a lot of reading of books on the sidelines.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Exactly. So maybe a new vibe in the locker room. And like Jake has kind of hinted at, I think this is kind of signaling they want to do more business over the middle of the field. Not just with Lemon, but also Eli Stowers too. So I think we're going to see Hertz throw to the middle of the field a lot more. So back to Carnell Tate.
Joey P (Host)
Yes.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
I mean, I think just everything points toward Carnell Tate having a big role right off the bat.
Joey P (Host)
Agreed.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
The Titans passed up potential impact defenders like Arvell Reese and Sonny Stiles to draft Tate fourth overall. They just, they wanted to do right by Cam Ward, and with good reason. Ward was their Number one pick last year. The Titans made a big bet on him and they needed to pay off. So the target competition pretty sparse for Cornell Tate. They brought in Wanda Robinson and he's been a high volume receiver for the Giants the last couple of years. I think that was more out of necessity than by design. And then there's, you know, 31 year old Calvin Ridley, Alec I am Manor, who was okay. Chamir dk, who's probably back to just being a special teamer now that Wondale's there and then Gunner Helm at tight end. So I think Tate could get 120 targets in year one and that would make him a probably a top 20 target earner. Top 20, top 25. And Carnell Tate just seems like he's a really good match for Cam Ward. Like Tate's ball tracking and body control are pretty special. Makes big plays downfield. Ward is an aggressive downfield thrower. Like he likes to take shots downfield. And that was actually one of the criticisms of ward before the 2025 draft, that he was prone to playing hero ball. Well, Carnell Tate makes hero catches. So I think this is going to be a good pairing.
Joey P (Host)
Jake, I know when it comes to Tate, you know, people knock him, oh, he wasn't even the best wide receiver on his team. And I just kind of, I shrug at that because like, well, it just so happened he happened to be playing with the best wide receiver prospect in college football on the same team. So you're going to knock him because maybe he's the second best. Like, I mean it's just kind of crazy to me that that logic is somehow dinging him in the NFL. And I also think it was surprising but maybe not dumb because you have Robert Saleh coming in defensive minded head coach. I think a lot of people just automatically go, oh, the new regime is going to come in and take defense. Well, they didn't. They were on the offensive side of the football. And to tell you the truth, Jake, when you have a young franchise quarterback to give him a number one wide receiver, which I think Tate can be not just in the NFL, but in fantasy too, to me it's showing that Robert sala recognizes it's 20, 26 and yeah, his defense is going to be good and he's going to figure things out, but if you're going to really compete at that next level, you have to get more offense. Maybe a lesson he learned the hard way with the Jets.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Oh, that didn't sound like your final spot talking.
Joey P (Host)
Sorry. Well, it was like it was like a Dr. Evil level. Maybe the jets learned the hard way.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
It took me a second. You know it's funny is like Devonte Adams wasn't the best wide receiver for the Rams. Oh, they had that Puka Nakua guy, but he was just putting up touchdowns and also top 10. Or you go back to the years that Green Bay had two every single year you turned around or the fact we could go down the list when Godwin was actually better one year than Mike Evans. And like there's so many times like okay, cool, he's still top 10 as in like the potential to be on this team as the number two. I really like the fit that he said. Fitz said with Tate. My concern is that I'm a little bit more scared of Wandell Robinson than he is. It sounds like mostly because I feel like it wasn't only a necessity. I just feel like Brian Dable loved Wandell Robinson and for all intents and purposes brought him with him. I know he's not the head coach and I know he's not the gm, but for all intents and purposes I think he had a big voice. And Wandell coming to the Titans. So I do think the target share might be close between the two and they're the top two which is fine. The only concern it goes back to Dable is actually because of everything you said, Fitz. I'm just concerned that he sends Tate on 20 yard routes every time he possibly can, similar to what he did with Darius Slayton. And as we just saw with what happened with Brian Thomas once Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers became a thing, your hit rate on those kind of depth of targets is lower. So yeah, it'll be cool for air yards per target and cool for his yards or perception. But is it going to be as consistent when we just saw what was the biggest concern of Cam Ward coming out of his rookie season, his completion percentage. So they should be there. That is his skill set. That's just if we want to talk about if we're going to ding these guys a little bit. My only concern, all three of them, to be clear, are tracking inside my top 30 in redraft, not even dynasty. I would talk about specifically for Redraft, like as rookies at least wide receiver threes with potential for wide receiver. So for me to say that I still really like Tate.
Joey P (Host)
All right, Jake, give me another name of a guy you think is going to make a more of an immediate impact in 2026 that got drafted at the wide receiver position.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
So this One was interesting because this is one where I wasn't the biggest fan of Antonio Williams heading into the draft, mostly because I thought he was only a slot receiver and I thought that's where he would get stuck in the NFL as being the third option on a three wide. But he's going to the commanders and we're talking about Terry McLaurin and okay, we're trying to the resurrection of the Traylon burks career, Luke McCaffrey and like you could just go down the list. It is Antonio Williams job for the taking to be the number two with the commanders and you talk about the skill set match of what you want with what Terry does and what Antonio does in this office with Jaden Daniels and I think for somebody that I didn't have very highly and also didn't have that first round draft capital that everybody's paying attention to of the other wide receivers that went on day two, like he fell into one of the best potential landing spots and he doesn't have to be a pure outside wide receiver to see like we were seeing a lot of this as we know with this draft. Holy crap, the blocking tight ends. Holy crap, the tight ends, they're going to be running twos 2 and 3. I tweeted this out too, Fitz. I'm not sure if you saw it, but we just hit a record in 2024 of teams running two and three tight end sets percentage wise. And then it got broken last year and we're approaching 30%. So we just saw this draft and it tells you where they're going. Well, the interesting thing is a lot of times you might see those two tight ends and your secondary weapon for wide receiver actually being kind of a slot option with Antonio Williams. And I think that's what you're seeing with the commanders. So I think he could walk into 100 targets. Not 100, 20, 30, 40, but at least 100 and 100 coming from Jayden Daniels on this team as a rookie wide receiver four. But somebody that I didn't think would be on my redraft radar and I didn't think would be inside my top 20 for Dynasty.
Joey P (Host)
You know, it's funny Pat, we did so many draft shows together, but I don't remember you and I having one single conversation about Antonio Williams. And you know, this is a guy you know, went to big time school here. He's the Clemson player, double digit touchdowns in a single season. The first one since T. Higgins by the way too. A guy who had a pretty good career in the NFL. Also, so he's not, he's not the
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
number one on his team though, Joe.
Joey P (Host)
Yeah, you know that's true. He's no good. Jake, you're 100% right. So, Fitzy, what do you think about Antonio Williams here? Because this is another one that kind of seems like we, you know, we, we respect the talent, we like the talent, but the landing spot here in particular seems to be very intriguing because there's opportunity that presents itself.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
One of the best route runners in the class. Early breakouts in college usually bode well for NFL success. And he had 56 catches for Clemson, a football factory at, as an 18 year old freshman. And I think we'll never know whether the Commanders would have taken Carnell Tate if the Titans hadn't taken him at number four. Only small handful of people on earth are ever going to hold that secret. But the fact is that after the Commanders took Sonny Stiles at number seven, they had one more pick over the next three rounds. And this being a weaker draft day three was not exactly littered with, you know, gems to be mined. So one pick in three rounds and they spent it on Antonio Williams. I mean, I think that speaks volumes about how much they value this guy and how important he's going to be to their offense.
Joey P (Host)
All right. Another guy that's going to be probably very important to his offense is Jordan Tyson, a guy who is maligned in the process, let's just put it that way. Maybe that's the most pleasant way of putting it because of injuries and problems that he's had. But Jordan Tyson still went with big time draft capital. Jordan Tyson is now going to be playing for the New Orleans Saints. And Jordan Tyson certainly behind Chris Olave, who again, we don't know how much longer Olave will be a saint for. So there's a path here for Tyson to kind of make an impact in 2026. And then maybe if things really go well for Tyson, he stays healthy and he looks great, that maybe they kind of hand the reins of the number one job over to him. From a dynasty perspective, you can make that argument with Tyler Schuck playing well down the stretch. Hey, maybe Jordan Tyson's fantasy value, Pat, is actually very high. Maybe higher than we realize.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Yeah, well, we fantasy managers love nothing more than a skinny target tree. And the Saints target tree does not have a lot of branches. It's Chris Olave, Jordan Tyson, Juwan Johnson, that's about it. Don't listen to dbro if he tries to tell you Oscar Delp is going to get 100 targets in his rookie year.
Joey P (Host)
He will. That guy will.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Yeah, or Bryce Lance. DBRO is also a big Bryce Lance guy and they did take Lance, but he's coming out of an FCS school, so it's probably going to be a pretty steep learning curve for him in year one. And he profiles as more of like a designated deep ball guy than a high volume. I know. Okay, so then you've got Olave as something of an injury risk with that worrisome concussion history. Like if he were to miss any games, Tyson would probably be a target magnet in any games Olavia had to sit out. And Tyler Schuck, a pretty aggressive downfield thrower. He averaged 8.3 air yards per attempt last year, which was more than Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow. And obviously the fact that the Saints took Jordan Tyson 8th overall speaks to the confidence the organization has in this player. So no doubt they envision a pretty prominent role for him now.
Joey P (Host)
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Joey P (Host)
As I said, Dynasty holds long term investments here. We're going to talk about some guys that have some talent here, maybe a little bit more of the long term as opposed to the immediate impact guys. So Fitzy, why don't you kick us off here? You're the Dynasty man about town on the channel all the time talking all the Dynasty. So walk me through one of these first wide receivers or tight ends potentially that you have your eye on.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
So I'm not the biggest Chris Paul fan in the world. Really kind of raw as a route runner. Like that's the biggest knock on him and he tore his ACL in November so if he can't participate in training camp, it's going to be hard for him to have any sort of fantasy relevant contribution as a rookie. Mainly because the biggest knock on him is that he's raw as a route runner. But Bell, six to 222 pounds runs well for a bigger guy and really a load for 190 pound, 200 pound defensive backs to try to bring down after the catch. So I think he could eventually become a high volume possession receiver and Miami is such a good place for a receiver to land this year. The Dolphins had the thinnest wide receiver core in the league before the draft and there's target opportunity galore in Miami. I know the Dolphins drafted other receivers. Caleb Douglas who they actually took before Bell, both third rounders, Douglas top half of the third round, Bell more towards the end, but I don't think anyone really expected Douglas to be drafted that early. Profiles is more of a deep ball guy sort of a lid lifter. You need that on your offense. But I think Chris Bell will be the higher volume receiver and Dolphins also got Kevin Coleman, he's just pure slot guy they got in the fifth round. It's going to take patience with Bell because he is coming off the injury and isn't a finished product yet, but I don't think it would take much for him to turn into the Dolphins number one receiver.
Joey P (Host)
Fitzy, you Said it perfectly. Every feeling that I have about Bell too, it's like, well, I like him, but I don't love him. And all the stuff that you talked about, the route running, all the stuff you then talked about on the flip side, which is the opportunity that's there here for him in Miami to be the guy. So if he puts in the work, if he shows up ready to go, the health is good and he balls out like all of a sudden Miami looks and says, okay, we've got a number one wide receiver on our hands. We can look elsewhere in next year, Jeff, because make no mistake about it, Miami is a work in progress. It's not a one year fix over there. It's going to be a three to five year fix. Whether this regime will see that three to five years, that's another story. Jake Seeley, give me another long term guy that you've got your eyes on in this draft.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Well, real quick, just similar to like Fitz chiming in on Lemon earlier. For good reason, I wanted to for good reason chime in on Chris Bell is, you know, I kind of made the joke that similar to Mark Andrews and similar to Tucker Kraft and I know those were tight ends but the team took the better receiver later after they already took one, they basically took the better player. With Chris Bell there's Brandon Marshall potential. But everything that Fitz said where, especially at the routes, the downside is he turns into Xavier Leggett and I think that's the concern. So I think if we get a report that he might be out there as early as September and he's really progressing well, I wouldn't be surprised if He's a wide receiver 4 as a rookie and the best option because this team is such a void for options because I almost put Chris Bell earlier but I saw that Fitz already had him here so I thought this was interesting. And I really like the landing spot potential. It obviously comes down to health mine. I like land spot for the future and I really like the player. There was a lot of buzz that started to build up. We saw two, three weeks beforehand where a lot of people were saying, oh, this is the underrated guy. You need to be paying attention to small school. This is the one as Ted Hurst. But as Fitz knows, and I forget if it was you, Joe or somebody else hosting with Fitz and I, it might have been Boggs, but I compared him to two players, Alec Pierce and Michael Wilson. Well, what did Alec Pierce and Michael Wilson take to have happened? Three years. They broke out in three years in the Third season, Ted Hurst obviously going to the Buccaneers. He's screwed as of right now. Let's make that clear. Like he's not going to do anything as a rookie unless they have multiple injuries, which they've had before. But as of right Now, I mean, McMillan just had a late season game where he was the best option once again for the Buccaneers. And I'm not saying he's going to be, but it's very hard to get past igbuka, Godwin and McMillan. But if we're talking about three years down the road, Godwin's probably done at that point. And if he's. Hearst is fulfilling his talent level, he could slip past McMillan. And now you're talking about Ebuca and hurst as the 1 and 2 in 2028, maybe 2029.
Joey P (Host)
Some good points there, certainly with Hertz. Excuse me, Hearst, Hurst, we were talking about Jalen hurts earlier. Good thing they're on the same team. That would be really confusing for me. All right, so Pat, let's go back to you. Yeah, I mean, if I'm struggling with it, I'm sure everybody else will. All right, let's get to another one of the name Pat's list. Pat, who do you have?
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Max Claire, tight end from Ohio State. I've got an advanced scouting report from Ryan Wormley that suggested Jake Seeley might have different feelings about this, so might need to throw it to Jake for a rebuttal after this. Joe, but. So I know everyone hates the landing spot for Max Claire. The Rams have four other tight ends. They all contributed last year, but collectively the Rams tight end production was pretty impressive. In 2025, Rams tight ends combined for 150 targets, 103 catches, 1128 yards and 17 touchdowns last year. Now, it was chopped up multiple ways. Colby Parkinson, Tyler Higby, Terrence Ferguson, Davis Allen. That is a problem. And now you've got a fifth man in. And look, Parkinson and Allen only have one year left on their contracts. Higby has two years left in his deal, but he's 33. So yes, Claire does run into a tight end log jam this year, but that log jam starts to break up in 2027. The Rams spent a second round pick on him, so obviously they value him. The Rams have kind of been at the forefront of this movement towards two and three tight ends. Claire got overshadowed by Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate at Ohio State last year. Yes, but when he was at Purdue in 2024, he counted for 31% of the boilermakers receiving yardage there were only about 2,200 passing yards to go around but like Claire was kind of dominating production for them and hey, draft capital second round pick after spending a first round pick on a guy who's not going to contribute anything at all his first season. Ideally if you're the Rams. Ty Simpson. So the Rams have some sort of plan for Max Clara and this is a team that leverages its tight ends as pass catchers.
Joey P (Host)
All right, Jake, you have different plans when it comes to Max Clara here. You want to share those plans?
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
That's just I'm out mostly because I'm not.
Joey P (Host)
I'm not.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
The Rams are just annoying. It's just they're 12 and 13 the highest to bring up that number I was talking about earlier. So I saw somebody reference that week 10 on I think it was Rich Rebar, our friend of our show. I know that like I can say that for us. Everybody here he was talking about that week 10 on for the Bears is that they ran the 2 and 3 tight end set up like it was up close to like 33 or 34% or something like that. By the way, the Rams were doing that for the season and then from the second half of the season it was over 40%. 40 almost 45% of the time. 2 and 3 tight ends and that's really what it comes down to. Fitz is you know this we did the pre draft show. There's twofold here is why I'm concerned about Max Claire's that's one of them is that the Rams are always going to be using two and three tight ends and we go back to O.J. howard and Cameron Brait right now with Kincaid and Knox and all these teams using two tight ends, it's just so hard to get one that we can trust in fantasy to produce consistently. Will one of them pop? Yeah, it's just probably going to be seven, eight out of the 10 games and it's going to be this trying to predict when it's going to happen. But the second part of it is I say you you agreed with me on this is are they drafting him to be all around overweight blocking tight end from OSU or are they drafting him to be Purdue matchup problem and that's what I go back to is that if they're drafting him as part of their two, three tight end makeup is they're probably going to ask him to block And I don't like Claire's ability to separate from Ohio State because he was too big for what he can do. So if you told me today, Fitz, if you said, Jake, I'm coming from the future, three years out. They slimmed him back down. They're making them a matchup problem. Cool, I'll get on board. I'm just worried that the Rams drafted him to be the Ohio State version and not the Purdue version. So that's. That's where my. All my hesitancies, plural. Come on, Max.
Joey P (Host)
Claire. Yeah, I think those are fair hesitancies. Now that I could say. But I couldn't say Hurst and hurts before. All right.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Did you say Hurst hurts, Hesitancies? I can't even say it.
Joey P (Host)
No, no. But I'd like to hear you try a second time. All right, Celia, let's get to another one of your names on the list. For a guy for the dynasties. More of a long term investment dude.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Yeah. So this one similar to the Caleb Douglas. I was like with this when the Bears took Xavian Thomas. Mostly because I'm like, yeah, like, okay, why? Like, what are we doing here? But then I forget who. So maybe Fitz or you saw it in credit to where credit is due. And I saw somebody tweet out, I wonder if. And this is the same thought I was having. And I'm glad that somebody else said it because it makes me feel better about it. I wonder if Zamia Thomas was drafted more to be a running back. Because that's the thing, is that Thomas is very dangerous with the ball. He ran out of the backfield as a wide receiver. And if you look at Roman Dunes and Luther Burden, well, he replicates a lot of what Burden can do, but nowhere near as well as what Burden can do. And if you're looking at this team and what we saw in the NFL basically starting in around three for this draft was I'm the smartest dude in the room. I'm taking this player, like the entire NFL.
Joey P (Host)
Jacksonville Jaguars, everybody.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Oh my gosh. This entire draft was filled like, I'm going to take my guy and prove everybody else wrong. And I'm joking when I say but like Ben Johnson, I feel like just took his guy. I feel like he took his guy that like maybe is the Deandre Swift replacement alongside Manangai come next year and that he's going to use them out of the backfield and convert him to running back similar to what we've seen with like Antonio Gibson and other players like that. So maybe. And that's the only reason I bring him up. It's not like I'm like, go get Xavier on Thomas. But I'm just like, I'm wondering if. And then if he does get converted to running back, we overlook the value because I don't think it is actually at wide receiver.
Joey P (Host)
Well, it's, it's funny because Ben Johnson is actually the one guy where you say, okay, this is a guy who's a, a Swiss army knife kind of offensive player. Like, yeah, I want the Swiss army knife guy in the Ben Johnson offense. Right? Because it's so clever and the way they use different guys in different ways, the jet sweeps and I mean, there's highlight reels of Xavian Thomas throwing footballs. You know, I mean, like, I mean it's all over the place. So I think if there is a guy who has great athleticism, maybe a good football player. Well, I don't think it'll be Taysom Hill, but I mean, switching him completely to running back, I don't know, maybe he's just more of a Swiss army knife weapon guy that you just have to account for in the field and that might be enough. Fitzy, I don't know if you have any takes on Thomas here too, and the landing spot, but I don't know if he's got the burst to play running back necessarily through the hole. But certainly I think a guy that would be a weapon catching the football of the backfield. And if Banang guy is still there too, a guy, you know, Mananga is going to have early down work, goal line, the bruising stuff, the stuff you need in Chicago when it's zero degrees outside, that kind of stuff. And then Thomas, maybe another guy was like, to Jake's point, maybe more of a DeAndre Swift role in this offense potentially someday.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
If I had to guess, I would bet that Ryan Poles wanted to come out of this draft with a kick return or even if it was, you know, Kaden Weian type guy or whatever. But Ben Johnson identified Xavian Thomas as a guy who could, like, we know how Ben Johnson is the mad scientist of the NFL. Like he loves these gadget plays. He probably said, like, I would love to be able to put this guy in the field for four or five plays a game and in addition to kick returns, like make defenses think about something when this guy is in the game or get the ball in his hands and see what he can do. But Jake, Jake's premise of this guy potentially shifting to running back, really interesting. And it's also not the deepest receiver room in the league either. So maybe he does have some sort of fringy wide Receiver upside on this team.
Joey P (Host)
All right, so these are some good names here that we've gone through on this sheet here today. I want to get to more of them as well. So we talked about Hearst, we talked about Thomas, Claire Bell. Right. So lots of good guys here in terms of the long term investments. But let's talk about some deep stashes, maybe some guys that have lottery ticket kind of upside. And remember, if you've got your drafts coming up, make sure you use the draft simulator right now over Fantasy Pros, our MVP and our hall of Fame subscribers too. If you have those subscriptions, even if you don't go get them. Because you can test the trade scenarios by mocking all the actual trade draft picks in your rookie draft. Because you know all those dynasty leagues are like that. I traded the second round pick four years ago for this and now it's coming to fruition. All that stuff, it's there for you right now. So go to fantasypros.com simulator and remember, when you have the opportunity to go premium here at Fantasy Pros, you get even more aspects that you can use within the tool of the draft simulator. And it's as good as it gets out there. I'm using it for my rookie draft right now that I've got that just started this morning. So go use it again. Fantasybros.com simulator. You'll find the Dynasty Draft Simulator to help you crush all of your upcoming fantasy drafts. All right, so let's go to the next one here. Late round sleepers, some deep league stashes. Pat, why don't you kick us off with the first guy that you have already kind of circled on your list.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Yeah, circle as you know, someone I'd be willing to spend a fifth round rookie pick on. And for me one is Riley Nowakowski, tight end for the national champion Indiana hoosiers last season, 32 catches for 387 yards. Not very impressive numbers on the surface, but he was on a team with Omar Cooper, Elijah Surat and a guy we're going to be talking about in rookie drafts a year from now, Charlie Becker. And as Jake Seeley of the Athletic is probably aware, NFL draft analyst Dame Brugler of the Athletic loves Riley Nowakowski. Like before the draft, Brugler talked about Nowakowski as one of his favorite day three prospects. After the draft, Brugler talked about Nowakowski is one of his favorite day three picks. Nowakowski is just a Swiss army knife. Lines up all over the place in line in the slot, in the backfield, it's only six two, so a little short for a tight end, but 250 pounds and he is a really good blocker, more of an H back probably. So the blocking, though, it's going to get Nowakowski on the field and he's a pretty good pass catcher, too. Over his last two college seasons, Nowakowski had an 89.6% catch rate, zero drops. And the Steelers love their tight ends. They've got Pat Friarmouth, who's good but not great. They've got Darnell Washington, who's a pretty remarkable physical specimen but not really much of a pass catcher. He said 57 catches in 50 career games. And John who Smith is gone now. So I think Riley Nowakowski is going to play a role in the Steelers offense right away.
Joey P (Host)
And Pat, I love this section of the show too because, you know, taking shots on guys late some years you have like, you know, a couple fourth round picks or you have, you know, a couple fifth round picks in your dynasty mock drafts or drafts, I should say, not mocks, but you have the opportunity to land on some players. I remember a couple years ago, Khalil Shakira, I got in the fifth round of one of those drafts and I just like the player. I was like, well, he's there with Josh Allen. Let's just take a shot and see what happens. And I think when you have some good process and everybody kind of just starts randomly throwing out darts at people, this is the kind of show, this is the kind of segment I think can really help change that for you. So pay attention to these names because if you get some of these right, it's going to be a difference maker. And you go from a guy that you're going to cut next year to a guy that's going to be starting for you next year in your dynasty league, potentially. Jake, give me a name that has that potential going forward in 2026.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Yeah, both my picks are like late thirds, early fourths. And we, I whispered before we're going to talk about them. This is the one. Bryce lan. And part of it is because of what Fitz said is that Chris Olavi is a free agent, you know, and you look at Lance and people are like, oh, he's older. He turns 24 in August, mind you. Like, so he's like older by terms of being rookies. But I say that to say is like they might be considering a very short leash of does he hit or not? Like, he's coming from a small school. He's your prototypical X receiver to play outside and makes a really nice fit with Jordan Tyson potentially. And if he hits and if they see enough to say, hey, Chris Olave, we'll let you walk and address different issues we have. This team is finally out of cap hell, but they're still not sitting pretty to be like, we're going to throw the most money anybody could possibly find at Chris Olave. They would have to tweak it a little bit early on. But all that being said is I'm saying that to say, like, they might see enough in Lance to say we'll let Olave walk and we'll have a new Lance Tyson duo. At the same time. We might find out a year or two from now quickly they're like, hey, Lance just isn't hitting in the NFL. He wouldn't be the first not to do it. I see some Rashid Shahid. I've said that before on this show, and I think that profile is nicely the the Saints don't obviously have the same system from before with the Kubiak, but there's a lot of the overlap of getting somebody open deep over the middle to the outside of the field that is still there with this offense.
Joey P (Host)
So if Lance wasn't Jake, wasn't there a certain coordinator on a team that ended up getting Rashid Shahid last year and winning a Super Bowl. Just saying.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Yeah, yeah. But there's pieces of that still here. So that's my point being is that I think he could be like, I think he'd be a wide receiver for Reliant on the big play, but I think that you could see some development with Lance, with the Saints.
Joey P (Host)
Yeah.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Do you also see some Christian Watson, Jake, since he's another big fast.
Joey P (Host)
We almost went a whole show without Christian Watson there.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Oh my God. I will say this like, I actually think Christian Watson has developed a little bit more in the rouse to Lance out. But like that. I guess that would be peak if you said Christian Watson. I think that's the peak, best case scenario.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Agreed.
Joey P (Host)
Yeah. I think the whole thing though, Kilmore has done a nice job down there in New Orleans and I think when you see smart offensive minds say, oh yeah, this, this player works in this fashion and this works for us and we can put it into another spot. Like, I don't think they didn't like what Shahid offered in New Orleans. Potentially, it's just a matter of finding maybe a cheaper version or a way to go forward with it. Give me another name, Pat that you think could be a Deeper guy here that everybody should be paying attention to.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Oh, man.
Pat Fitz Morris (Analyst)
Admittedly, this is a real long shot. Colby Young. Colby Young of the Bengals. The Bengals did spend a fourth round pick on this guy. Colby Young is a 6 5,218 pound receiver with 4.49 speed. Started at a junior college, transferred to Miami, then wound up at Georgia. Multi year college starter, but never really popped. As far as the numbers, size and speed though, they make him a really intriguing bat. Dane Brugler. The aforementioned Dane Brugler of the Athletics said Colby Young compares stylistically to Cortland Sutton, which is kind of appealing. And obviously it's going to be hard for receiver to make his mark in Cincinnati right away. Behind Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, the Bengals bet on Jermaine Burton as a developmental prospect. A couple years ago. It didn't work out. But Colby Young, this, this latest developmental receiver prospect, like Brugler says, he's a hard worker and a student of the game. And he also said that Colby Young has deceptive speed, good hands, really hard to bring down after the catch. I don't think it's a bad way to spend the final pick of a rookie draft.
Joey P (Host)
And Jermaine Burton wasn't a good worker, had a lot of other issues, you know, so let's not go down that path here. Cincinnati a second time. So it's good that they got somebody who might be the inverse in terms of personality there and that's the only way you are going to crack a unit like that that eventually over time. And look, we've seen injuries to T. Higgins, we've seen injuries to. To Chase to. Lots of opportunity can present itself. But as you said, Pat, if it doesn't work out, you cut, you move on. But interesting talent nonetheless. All right, Jake, give us one more name. Deep league stash kind of guy that you have kind of in your back pocket.
Jake Seeley (Analyst)
Yeah, this one I thought was interesting because I'm not calling. I just said this on the other show with Worm. I'm not calling Trey Harris dead. But we do have a new offensive coordinator. And what does this offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel like to do? Throw people open over the middle of the field and let you do things after the bowl where if there's one of the few wide receivers late in the draft that can do that, Brennan Thompson essentially is like a tank Dell, like get the ball in his hands and good luck. Very explosive after the catch, very dangerous, as you can say. The downside is that he turns into Isaiah McKenzie and we're talking about, oh, like three wide receivers got hurt and he's this, he gets to play as the three this week or he's mostly in the return game. But I say, I say this to say, like he doesn't have the draft capital of Trey Harris. That's why Trey Harris is not dead. But Trey Harris is also, as of right now, behind Quentin Johnston because Quentin Johnson finally did some stuff. I'm not saying Quentin Johnston can fall back off, but it really comes down to Mike McDaniel, you know, being the offensive coordinator, being with this team, I'm sure he had some input on taking Brennan Thompson. And if Harris can't improve, I know it's only year two, but if he doesn't show any improvement, Johnson does fall off free agent eventually. I think that Thomas for the fit and style, he would still for us only, probably best case scenario, be a wide receiver. Four, just because of his skill set and fantasy. But if he happens to be the guy that's kind of ends up being the lad McConkey, Brennan Thompson Arande Gadson Trio because of what we like to see with Mike McDaniel, I think that's why I'm taking a flyer on him on the fourth round. Just because I see a path in two years where all of a sudden we're talking about Brennan Thompson. Wow, this one hit and all of a sudden they go from a nothing value to having somebody that can plug in on buys and stuff like that.
Joey P (Host)
Yeah, Thompson certainly a guy very shifty in space, certainly has opportunity there. Mike McDaniel offense, I can't wait to see what that offense looks like too, with Amari Hampton, with Justin Herbert. I mean, this is the first time we're giving Mike McDaniel a real life quarterback here to really work with. So, I mean, hey, look, you know, it's one thing to be a boy genius. Even Sean McVeigh, I think realized this over time, right? Like I'm a genius, right? But man, my job's a little easier when Matthew Stafford is quarterback, isn't it? You know, like sometimes these guys are these great offensive minds. It's just, sure, I can take, you know, a Brock Purdy and I can make a Brock Purdy a quarterback I can go to the super bowl with. But wouldn't you rather have a Matthew Stafford? Wouldn't you rather have a Justin Herbert? I think the answer is yes to those questions. But certainly some great names here from the guys. And again, make sure you go to fancy bros.com to check out all the coverage we have post draft We've got a ton of it there. And of course we're gonna have more breakdowns of the players here on the podcast too. So subscribe to the YouTube channel Fantasy Pro. Subscribe to the podcast feed and check out our new channels too. The Dynasty Channel. This is that time, boy. If you got Dynasty startups, if you've got Dynasty leagues drafting right now, go subscribe to the Dynasty channel. And of course check out Tailgate NFL 2, our newest channel. It's different than all the others. Why? Because we're just talking ball, hanging out, having a good time. So again, go check that out over on the YouTube channel as well. Gentlemen, great job as always. That'll do for us, but the story of the game goes on. For Jake Seeley and Pat Fitz Morris, I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids.
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Date: April 28, 2026
Host: Joey P. (Joe Pisapia)
Guests: Jake Seeley (The Athletic), Pat Fitzmaurice
This episode dives deep into rookie wide receivers (WRs) and tight ends (TEs) to target in 2026 fantasy football drafts, both redraft and dynasty. The trio analyzes post-draft landing spots, assessing which rookies could make an immediate impact, who are worthwhile long-term stashes, and which deep sleepers are worth your late picks – all with actionable, entertaining insights for winning your league.
Jake Seeley’s Take [02:46]:
Pat Fitzmaurice’s Validation [08:16]:
Notable Quote [05:46]:
“Makai Lemon’s a guy that's going to fight for the football. We all know what a dog he is... good teams always change and evolve their offenses based on the personnel.” – Joey P.
Pat’s Take [10:08]:
Jake's Consideration [12:36]:
Jake’s Analysis [14:31]:
Pat adds [16:51]:
Pat’s Assessment [24:02]:
Jake’s Comparison [26:12]:
Pat’s Argument [28:28]:
Jake’s Rebuttal [30:16]:
Jake’s Theory [32:23]:
Pat’s Addendum [34:52]:
Jake (re: Lemon/Hurts):
“There’s a difference between doesn’t and can’t. And [Hurts] absolutely can… he’s top five, top 10 in like everything [throwing over the middle].” [04:25]
Pat (on Tate/Ward pairing):
“Ward is an aggressive downfield thrower… Carnell Tate makes hero catches. So I think this is going to be a good pairing.” [10:45]
Jake (on TE usage trends):
“We just hit a record in 2024 of teams running two and three tight end sets… and it got broken last year. We’re approaching 30%.” [15:06]
Pat (on Chris Bell):
“He could eventually become a high-volume possession receiver and Miami is such a good place for a receiver to land this year.” [24:31]
Jake (on Bryce Lance):
“They might see enough in Lance to say 'we’ll let Olave walk and we’ll have a new Lance-Tyson duo.'” [39:37]
| Player | Team | Role/Opportunity | Format | Notes | |-------------------|---------------------|--------------------------------------------|-------------|----------------------------------------------------| | Makai Lemon | Eagles | WR2/Immediate impact, post-AJ Brown | Redraft/Dyn | Hurts can support; high volume | | Carnell Tate | Titans | WR1; little competition | Redraft/Dyn | Cam Ward fit; 120+ targets likely | | Antonio Williams | Commanders | WR2; Jaden Daniels partnership | Redraft/Dyn | Up to 100+ targets in Year 1 | | Jordan Tyson | Saints | WR2 with path to WR1 | Redraft/Dyn | Target magnet if Olave is out | | Chris Bell | Dolphins | Long-term WR1 upside | Dynasty | Needs route polish/health; big opportunity | | Ted Hurst | Buccaneers | 3rd-year breakout possible | Dynasty | Crowded room but could climb depth chart | | Max Claire | Rams | Future TE but possible role in 2027+ | Dynasty | Uncertainty over usage type | | Xavian Thomas | Bears | Gadget/Switch to RB possible; Swiss army | Dynasty | Best in creative offenses like Ben Johnson’s | | Riley Nowakowski | Steelers | Immediate H-back/blocking/sleeper TE | Late Dynasty| Dane Brugler favorite; versatile | | Bryce Lance | Saints | Outside WR; could replace Olave | Late Dynasty| Deep threat with Rashid Shahid comp | | Colbie Young | Bengals | Developmental size/speed dart | Late Dynasty| Cortland Sutton comp; crowded, but high-upside cut | | Brennan Thompson | Chargers | Explosive slot/returner; potential gadget | Late Dynasty| Tank Dell/Isaiah McKenzie-style role possible |
The analysts deliver a comprehensive breakdown of the rookie WR and TE landscape post-2026 NFL Draft, merging actionable redraft and dynasty advice:
To crush your rookie and dynasty drafts: trust the FantasyPros tools, dig into this class, and consider opportunity/fit as much as pure talent!
Episode Rating: ★★★★½ – A must-listen for dynasty and redraft fantasy drafters seeking post-draft rookie takes with both a stats and scouting lens.