Scott Baughman (2:09)

Broncos, I believe.

Pat Fitzmaurice (2:10)

Broncos. Interesting bagman.

Ryan Warmley (2:13)

How you, how you doing a couple of days after the draft?

Scott Baughman (2:16)

Tired, you know, in, in the lab working on, on the rankings. Of course the last couple just been hammering all that out. Glad the draft is in the Rear view so we can start to, you know, get these rookie drafts in. I just made a pick in one that we talked about before jumping on here, so I'm just. It's a busy season and we're. We're funneling downhill towards a regular season. I like that we're past the draft and we're on our way.

Ryan Warmley (2:44)

Yeah, you made a little bit of a surprising pick in that league. And part of me wants to pause the show and go send a trade offer to the guy picking after you based on who's now fallen. We'll. We'll see how that plays out. But, yeah, you know, this is a very fun. You know, like you said, you know, a lot of these drafts have already started. A lot of them, I think wait a week, but there are plenty that just get going right away. We had somebody on our stream on Saturday night that we did, recapping day three, who was like, hey, we're starting tomorrow morning, like Sunday after the draft. The, the rookie draft is going no prep time at all. So folks are getting into it.

Pat Fitzmaurice (3:17)

Yeah. Wait, you're going to tease that dilemma that Bogman had and then you're not going to say what it actually was?

Ryan Warmley (3:22)

I didn't want to throw him under the bus if he was, you know, feeling

Pat Fitzmaurice (3:28)

so.

Ryan Warmley (3:28)

So Bogman had the 105. And we've talked a lot on this show about how there's a pretty clear top five. And you can quibble with the order, particularly with those receivers going 3, 4 and 5, but we've been very settled into those guys in all the mocks we've done this whole year and in our early rankings. And Bogman on the clock at 105, opted to not go with one of those top five players. He did take Jadarian Price. It was moved up enough for him with the first round draft capital. And that left Jordan Tyson to now fall to 106. That I'm sure the other folks in the league are all, you know, kind of raising their eyebrows at. At least to some degree. Those who really like Tyson Bogman. Do you want to kind of go into why you made that decision here?

Scott Baughman (4:10)

Yeah, it's because it's a dynasty league and my running backs are not great, like, for the long term. I do have quinch on Judkins. Great. But he's coming off a major injury, so I'm. I don't know how trustable he is. I have Derrick Henry, also another really good running back who should put me up a lot of points. But long in the tooth. And my next best running back after that is Isaiah Pacheco. So I just, I needed the back more than I needed the wide receiver. Wide receiver depth isn't amazing either, but I just felt the need more towards the running back. I've tried a couple trades, they haven't worked out. So go ahead and take Jadarian Price. I really like this setup that he has in Seattle. So excited about him and I just needed running back, so it was worth it to me.

Ryan Warmley (4:52)

Fitz, what do you think about drafting for need in that area of this year's draft class in particular?

Pat Fitzmaurice (5:00)

I don't want to throw bogs under the bus. And look, I know my opinion here is not going to be totally shared by everyone. I know a lot of people think Jadarin Prices landing spot, the fact that he went in the first round, the fact that he went to like probably the best team for any rookie running back that you could have. So a lot of people think his dynasty value has gone to the moon. And Jordan Tyson, I know the injury history scares some people. I just, to me, Jordan Tyson is still like a tier above Jadarian Price and I'm always going BPA there. It's a dynasty league. We can make trades later to balance it out. And I always think roster balance is kind of overrated in dynasty because we trade so much.

Ryan Warmley (5:41)

I just told you guys that I was thinking about kind of selling off in that league and we're not going to spend too long on this league. It just is an interesting topic that just came up. I just told you guys the thing about selling off in that league and somebody like A.J. brown is available. Should I offer him for the Jordan Tyson pick that's now available? Is that the type of move that you think would make sense or do you think like it is a weaker class, he's got injury problems. Brown's too big a name. Like, what do you think about is that I throw it out as an example that I could offer. But like, is that the type of range you think would make sense?

Scott Baughman (6:11)

I think that's specific to if you are selling, if you have decided I'm, I'm selling, I'm done, that's the trade you want to do. You want to eat younger at the position with, with a player that's still in that, like top tier. So that would probably be an appropriate move there. But if you are like, well, my team's pretty good. If some of these trades don't work out, I probably just stick, then I probably wouldn't do that deal. I'd keep AJ Brown and see where he lands and you know, probably New England and you know, I think him and Drake may might have a good thing going for a couple of years at least.

Ryan Warmley (6:43)

Yeah. What do you think, Fitz?

Pat Fitzmaurice (6:45)

Only thing is where I've got Jordan Tyson ranked ahead of A.J. brown in my dynasty rankings.

Ryan Warmley (6:50)

Okay.

Pat Fitzmaurice (6:51)

Like just in a vacuum. Factoring in the long term value, not a huge difference. I mean I've got Tyson maybe five spots higher and if you're a contending team, obviously AJ Brown has a little more value. So it's, it's close. Might have to juice it. You. For me, you would have to juice it maybe just a little bit. Maybe I throw in another later round pick and you throw in another useful veteran or something like that.

Ryan Warmley (7:18)

Yeah. All right, well, let's get to the actual show that people came here to listen to. We're talking rookie winners and losers and we'll do some vet losers as well. I was going to start with Fitz, actually. Let's start with you, Bogman, because your first rookie winner is of course Jadarian Price.

Scott Baughman (7:35)

Yeah, Jadarian Price, second best elusive rating behind only Love. Among drafted running backs, 20% of his rush attempts in 2025 went for 10 plus yards. 45% of his yards were breakaway yards too. So this guy, once he gets past the line, he's gone. And I know he hasn't caught a lot of passes. We talked about that. I think it was six in 2025, but two of them went for scores. So we like that efficiency. But just so many rush attempts are gone from this offense from last year. Walker had 221 and we don't know how long Charbonnet is going to be out to start the season here. He had 184 rush attempts. So the only guy left on this roster with experience from that Seahawks super bowl run is Holani. With 22 rush attempts. They did bring in Emmanuel Wilson from Green bay who had 125 last year. So I just think that the, I think this is going to be a three way battle for initial touches to start the year between, you know, Holani, Wilson and Price. I'm assuming it's going to be a mix of Wilson and Price to start the year, but I think by the time, you know, week four, week five shows around, I think that Price is just a much better back than Emmanuel Wilson. And I like Emmanuel Wilson pretty well. I like Holani for what he has done for them as well. But I just think Jadarian Price is definitely the second best back in this class, and I think this landing spot couldn't be better for him because even when Charbonnet comes back, he's a free agent after this season. And I don't know if the Seahawks are going to want to, you know, extend him anymore coming off of injury. It's. They're going to wait to see what he looks like. So I just think this is a nice setup for the long term and maybe for 20, 25 for price. So, uh, that's why I took him at five and I think he definitely gets the initial jump here.

Ryan Warmley (9:26)

Fitz, where. I mean, this is obviously the rain. First of all, it's clear that he was a big winner. You even, you sent in your names first and you said, these are my other names, but I need to switch one of these to Price. If Bogman doesn't pick Price, you kind of let him take that. So it's very obvious that he's a big winner here with the, you know, day one draft, capital landing spot, all that stuff. Where is Price ranked for you in. Not rookie rankings, but in your early thoughts on dynasty rankings. And if you haven't done them yet, that's fine, but what kind of range are you thinking Price is going to be in?

Pat Fitzmaurice (9:53)

Yeah, I have not totally updated my dynasty rankings. You know, just been kind of focused on the rookie rankings. I suspect I'm probably going to have Jadarian Price somewhere in the, I don't know, like late, late teens, kind of around the camp.

Scott Baughman (10:13)

I'm at 21.

Pat Fitzmaurice (10:14)

Okay. Yeah. I mean, like, right now I'm looking at Cam Scatterboo and Josh Jacobs, and I got Scatterboo 19, Josh Jacobs 20. I'll probably throw him right after Scatterbo at 20. And like, I've got Tootin 21 right now, and I think I would rather have Jadarin Price than Tutin. Yeah, I mean, we like that he was a first round pick. He did win the landing spot lottery for running backs. Like, there were not a lot of great landing spots for running backs this year, not a lot of vacancies, and he's got one with Charbonnet presumably on the shelf. I mean, it would be really shocking for him to tear his ACL in the playoffs and be ready to go for week one. Like, I know clean ACL tears can be as little as like eight months, nine months, but man, that would be a tall order for him to get back in week one. And would Seattle even want to push it with him to that extent?

Ryan Warmley (11:07)

So, yeah, they're a Super bowl contender. Why? They have no incentive to have him ready in September.

Pat Fitzmaurice (11:12)

Right. And I do agree the pecking order is probably going to be like Charbonnet eventually. Price, Wilson, Holani. But there are some unknowns here. Like, we don't know how they're going to deploy these guys. They have a new play caller. It's not Clint Kubiak anymore. It's Brian Fleury. No word on whether he's related to former hockey star Theo Fleury. So, yeah, like, it's kind of an opaque situation in Seattle with these backs, but the fact that they spent a first round pick on him when Seattle only had four picks in this draft is kind of a tell that they have plans for this guy.

Ryan Warmley (11:52)

He in ECR is RB25 right now. That'll continue to update as people, you know, update their rankings post draft, but that's where he is already. The three names ahead of him are RJ Harvey, Bay Shaltuden, Cam, Scatter Boo. I think I might rather have him than all three Scatter Boo. I wouldn't obviously, if not for the injury. Injury. But like, that's a pretty, pretty rough injury he had and I like Price enough that I would at least consider him ahead of them. So, yeah, I think that like RB21ish range, like that looks pretty correct to me.

Scott Baughman (12:22)

Where would you guys have him versus Charbonnet, his teammate? Because I think. I think coming out, Charbonnet was probably the better back than Price, but he's coming off a major injury and he's a free agent after this year. So I have Price one spot ahead of Sharps right now. But I think that's an interesting question.

Ryan Warmley (12:40)

It's a really interesting question.

Pat Fitzmaurice (12:41)

I'm going to have Price a little higher. It's going to be close, though.

Ryan Warmley (12:46)

I think I'll use the injury as the tiebreaker and go with Price. But they definitely should be close. I mean, I think back to back is totally appropriate. Honestly.

Scott Baughman (12:55)

This tier for me is Jacobs, Williams, etn, Javante, Price, Charbonnet, Scatterboo.

Pat Fitzmaurice (13:00)

It's a lot of the names I have. Yeah, in there.

Scott Baughman (13:03)

I have Tootin just under that in the next tier. But I also wasn't high on Tutin, but I have to admit, he definitely won. You know, he won. This draft process, they didn't bring anybody else in, which I'm kind of surprised about and shows that I think Tootin is the lead back.

Ryan Warmley (13:16)

We're only doing rookie rookies for the winners. We're Gonna do some vets on the loser side. But if we were doing veteran winners, Tutin could have been on the list.

Pat Fitzmaurice (13:24)

So. So could Scatter Boo could have two at box. You don't have, you don't have Price ahead of Scatter Boo, do you?

Scott Baughman (13:30)

I do because Scatter Boo's coming. Big injury.

Pat Fitzmaurice (13:33)

No.

Scott Baughman (13:34)

Yeah. So I don't have him much low. I have him at 23. What. What is Scatter Boo in ECR right now?

Ryan Warmley (13:41)

He's 22.

Scott Baughman (13:43)

I'll still be. Once all those rankings are in, I'll still be ahead of ecr.

Pat Fitzmaurice (13:48)

We've seen Scatter Boo rock though. We like, we haven't seen Jadarian Price even start for his college team.

Scott Baughman (13:53)

We've also seen Scatter Boo get hurt.

Ryan Warmley (13:56)

Yeah, I mean, I undersized. It's a, it's a correct thing that you just said, Fitz. But like Scatter Boo wouldn't have started for his college team if he was on the same team as Jerem. So like, I don't know how much I want to not give for that. It feels correct that they're in the same tier though. And I think it's valid to use the injury as, as a, you know, bit of a tiebreaker there. Fitz, let's go to your first rookie winner.

Pat Fitzmaurice (14:19)

I would contend that there was no greater rookie winner than Ty Simpson, a one year starter at Alabama. And the collective track record of quarterbacks who were drafted in the first round after being one year college starters is pretty bleak, man. Mark Sanchez, Dwayne Haskins, Mitch Trubisky, Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, these are all, all guys who basically flopped after being one year college starters and being first round picks. Simpson also had a pretty bad end to his season. Played really well the first nine or ten games, but then after that it was kind of a nightmare finish for him. But then in the draft a lot of, a lot of debates about like his draft value coming in and I think a lot of people thought he was ticketed for either the Cardinals or Jets, if not either where they stood early in the second round or maybe one of those teams trying to get into the back of the first round to secure his services. But no, the Rams blew everyone out of the water and just took him 13th overall. And that draft capital says he is going to be their quarterback when Matt Stafford retires. Like now Ty Simpson gets to sit and learn for a year or two. Ideally for fantasy managers. Only a year, not two. But it is a lot like the Jordan Love situation. Packers drafted Jordan Love in 2020 when Aaron Rodgers was still playing at a pretty high level. Love had to back up Rodgers for two years, but then he was ready to go when he finally took over in 2023. Love had 4,100 passing yards and 32 TD passes that season. Like he had. He had paid his dues, you know, got a little playing time. I remember he had a really bad start in Kansas City when Rodgers was hurt, but by 2023, he was raring and ready to go. So, yeah, Simpson is going to have to wait his turn. It's not the worst thing you can watch a future hall of Fame quarterback work is magic and eventually gets to start for Sean McVay, assuming he doesn't leave to be a broadcaster by then. And we know McVay has one of the best offensive minds in the game. Quarterbacks are just so valuable in Super Flex formats. As a quarterback drafted in the top half of the first round by a team with a fantastic offensive ecosystem like Simpson should be a top seven or eight pick in Super Flex drafts. Look, man, a pretty smart organization just tabbed this guy to be their quarterback in the future. Like we should, we should stand up and pay attention to that.

Ryan Warmley (16:57)

Have you both kind of settled on your reaction to like, like where Sean McVay stands on this? Because you joked about Sean McVeigh going into broadcasting. Like if it really was that this is a less need pick and not a Sean McVay endorsed pick, which again, we talked about a little bit already about how much do we actually believe that. But like that is the case, that could be incentive for him to go and just say, I'm done with coaching. I'll go, you know, be the highest paid, you know, color commentator or whatever it is. So like Fitz, have you kind of come down on how you feel about that angle to the situation?

Pat Fitzmaurice (17:32)

Yeah, I mean this has been a pretty harmonious. Like we have never heard anything about a power struggle between Sneed McVeigh. It seems like these guys have been in step and I know a lot was made of the interview with McVay like after the first night of the draft.

Scott Baughman (17:46)

And like you consult some body language experts. Fitzy, before you picked Simpson.

Pat Fitzmaurice (17:51)

I know, man, that was all parsed over so, so thoroughly. But then they also a couple. Well, maybe it was just. I saw it for the first time, I think Saturday where they showed McVeigh on the phone with Ty Simpson after the pick. And like there was no indication that if, if McVay was glum about that selection, he did not show it. In that call with Ty Simpson, he seemed like he was totally on board.

Scott Baughman (18:15)

I also heard an angle Fitzy and I would love to hear what you think about this, of McVay needing to look mad that they did that for Matthew Stafford. Right. So that Matthew Stafford sees him on TV going, oh, well, this is still my team. My coach is pissed that they did this and then get somebody to help me. Right. They didn't take Makai Lemon for another weapon for another run or whatever. Like, you know, that was a big argument that a lot of people had online is like, you're in the window. Why not use this? Not for the future, but for now. And that like McVeigh was just almost putting on a show for one person, which is. I don't know. I think he was just tired and had a headache.

Pat Fitzmaurice (18:55)

Yeah, I would say that sounds a little conspiratorial. Except for the fact that Aaron Rodgers was really ticked off when the packers took Jordan Love in 2020.

Scott Baughman (19:04)

Guys are babies.

Pat Fitzmaurice (19:05)

Yeah. So I don't think it's that far fetched.

Scott Baughman (19:09)

Wasn't Flacco was mad when they took Lamar. Not my job, you know?

Ryan Warmley (19:13)

Yeah, I don't know if he was mad, but he didn't. He was. Yeah, he was definitely feeling that way because he. Because they had a second pick in that draft. So, like they had. I mean, it was Hayden Hurst, but like they had theoretically gotten him a target in that same class at least. But like, yeah, he did say, like, it's not my job to help teach him. I mean, I would be pissed if I was Stafford. I'm like, dude, I'm trying to like, I'm a Hall of Famer. I just. I'm coming off an MVP I have a chance at.

Scott Baughman (19:33)

My back is barely working.

Ryan Warmley (19:36)

Arguably was. We were the best team last year. I mean, it was one of us in Seattle. And yeah, that fluke, flukey two point play, like flipped home field advantage. Like it could have been us dominating the super bowl. And we have. We have a rare top 13 pick and we're not going to take, you know, a Lemon or whoever it is that they really liked so.

Pat Fitzmaurice (19:54)

Well, Bogman just mentioned the barely working back. So maybe this isn't entirely a play for the future.

Scott Baughman (20:00)

Yeah, well, they had to have a plan sets and Bennett was not a plan. Jimmy G was not a plan.

Ryan Warmley (20:05)

Where is Simpson ranked for you in rookie dress drafts in super Flex Bogman,

Scott Baughman (20:09)

because Fitz has a little lower than Fitz. I have him at 12, so.

Pat Fitzmaurice (20:14)

12. Yeah, you have to wait just ahead of him You.

Scott Baughman (20:18)

You have to wait at least a year, maybe two years for.

Pat Fitzmaurice (20:22)

For you've got at least one or two.

Scott Baughman (20:24)

I've got Sadiq, Stowers and Boston. I think those are the surprises for fits that I would have ahead of him.

Ryan Warmley (20:29)

I mean, Stowers, you're gonna have to wait a year to get real production, probably.

Pat Fitzmaurice (20:32)

You know, none of those are outrageous.

Scott Baughman (20:34)

True. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't think so either. And that's definitely, like, I would say from 6 to 12 for me is a tier. Right. Like, so if you wanted to put them as high as 6, I don't hate it. If you need a quarterback real bad, you take them over KC or Cooper or Stowers or Boston. I'm fine with all of that. You know, even in a pinch, if you're really bad and you're rebuilding, I understand, you know, reaching a little bit for a quarterback in Super Flex, but I. I just. I think he makes me a little bit queasy. Fitz Simpson does, because one year starting, really half a year of looking good. This isn't like Brock Purdy. Even though Brock Purdy's draft capital was terrible, he had 43 starts or whatever it was coming into the NFL. So, like, immediate success wasn't very shocking when Brock Purdy took over. He's had many, many reps. If something happens to Stafford, I don't expect the same success for Simpson, you know, to start, because he is very limited in the start. So I think this is. I think Simpson is a good prospect, and this can all work. Like you said, a smart team. Bringing in a guy like Simpson tells us that he's probably worth more than we initially thought, but it's still. It still cannot work, and you still might have to wait. So.

Pat Fitzmaurice (21:49)

Yeah, man, I know a lot of ifs. Quarterback's always an iffy position for NFL teams, too. I mean, we. We see teams take their cuts and swing and miss wildly all the time. Christian Ponder, Keely Smith, Cade McNown. Like Anthony Richardson. Yeah, right. You don't have to go that far back in time to find guys like Anthony Richardson, so. But you got to do what you got to do, man. It's such an important position. And in Super Flex, you know, would

Scott Baughman (22:16)

you rather have Shuck or Simpson long term?

Pat Fitzmaurice (22:20)

I think I'm still team shock right now.

Scott Baughman (22:23)

Yeah. See, that's where I was, and I haven't. I have him at 26. I'm, like, one spot behind Stafford because Stafford might have two years, but, like, you know, that's pretty clear, you know, if you're a win now you want Stafford. If you're not, you want Simpson.

Pat Fitzmaurice (22:37)

Yeah, I'd rather have Mendoza than Chuck, but I think Chuck has done enough where we have to have.

Ryan Warmley (22:42)

Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I would take away from this, from what Bagman said is like around. I think Casey Concepcion and Price are going to be the sixth and seventh picks in some order in a lot of drafts. The way I've kind of seen it play out. So if we put them there, I think that 8 through 12 range, which is Simpson, Omar Cooper, Eli Stowers, Denzel Boss and Kenyon Sadiq, I think that's where you really get into like, do I need a tight end, Do I need a quarterback, Do I need a receiver? Like that order feels very malleable. And the only thing that I would get really like I would strongly push back on is it if you said Ty Simpson wasn't even in your first round. To me that is the breaking point of like that that's way too low.

Scott Baughman (23:22)

I have a hard line at 6. I have a hard line of 12 as well.

Ryan Warmley (23:26)

Yeah, I think, I think that's, that's about the way I would look at it. You can evaluate trades on your own with confidence using the trade analyzer. Instantly see the impact of trades on your team and get expert recommendations whether you're receiving a two for one package or swapping draft picks for that stuff. Stud who will help you win now? Our analyzer helps you make smarter data driven decisions. Access to the trade analyzer is included for all premium subscribers. Start your three day free trial today at fantasyprose.com dynasty26 and win the trade market with the Trade Analyzer at fantasyprose.com myplaybook all right, Bogman, let's go to your second rookie winner.

Scott Baughman (24:04)

All right, I'm gonna have to talk fits into this pick. I feel like it's Chris Bell who got drafted by the Miami Dolphins. And look, he had a 25% target share for Louisville and he missed four games this season.

Ryan Warmley (24:18)

Right.

Scott Baughman (24:18)

The knock on him is he didn't do it until his last season. Not sustained production. He did have some good players with him at Louisville. He had Jamari Thrash and Kevin Coleman Jr. In 2023 who is now Kevin Coleman Jr. Is now his teammate in Miami again and he was still second in targets that year over Coleman and receptions. And then in 2024 Louisville brought in Jacore Brooks from Alabama who had a very good year for them. But he is, he is running well. I think he's pretty good at everything. I think he's pretty good in contested situations. I know Fitz, he doesn't like the route running. I think that can be fixed a little bit. And he is already running. They said he's up to 18 miles per hour on the on the treadmill today. So I think he's going to be good to go by camp. He says so as well. And who is here with Bell? Let's really go through it, right? I his biggest contest for targets once I think this gets settled to me is going to be a Chan right. Miami had the third highest running back target percentage in the NFL last year, 24.7. But it's Malik Washington in his third year. He's had 72 career receptions. Jalen Tolbert going in his fifth season, 91 career receptions. Tutu Atwell, 105 career receptions. Terence Marshall, 67. And then you have Caleb Douglas, who's a tall rookie but he peaked at 54 catches in college football. Kevin Coleman Jr. His former Louisville teammate, was picked in the fifth. Like I like Theo Weiss and Taj Washington if we're looking at like way long term stuff. But these guys are. I mean Wes was a UDFA and Washington was a seventh round pick with an injury drafted by a different regime. Right. So I just think that right now and for the long term, Chris Bell in a really good spot now. This team is tanking. He could easily be the number two next year next to Jeremiah Smith. I think that would make him better. Jeremiah Smith would roll coverage over to him. I think Bell would get a lot of one on one. So I just think that Chris Bell has a chance to be the target leader in 2025. He has a chance to, you know, really move forward here. Well, and I'm not ranking him crazy, but I really thought that, you know, of the landing spots, this is one of the better ones because they just don't have anything else on this roster.

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Ryan Warmley (27:41)

Fitz, you are a little lower than the rest of the fantasy pros team on Chris Bell. But do you still see him as a winner even if you are a little lower than the rest of the field?

Pat Fitzmaurice (27:52)

I think so. Miami was going to be a good spot like and I'm not going to read too much into the fact that he wasn't even the first wide receiver taken that they took Caleb, Caleb Douglas, which I think a lot of people were really surprised by. No one expected Caleb Douglas to go that early. None of the draft analysts I fell follow. You know the Dane Bruglers, Daniel Jeremiah's, Todd McShays. They, they didn't have Caleb Douglas anywhere near their top 10. I think Brugler had him like outside his top 25 at receiver.

Scott Baughman (28:21)

So that was Coleman better and they picked him.

Pat Fitzmaurice (28:24)

Yes, yes. Pre draft I'd Coleman ranked ahead of Caleb Douglas so and I do think Douglas is more like a take the top off guy and whereas Chris Bell could maybe be more of a bread and butter type of guy. But man I just, I just looked up, I wasn't sure who the Dolphins wide receiver coach. It's a guy named Tyke. Tyke Tolbert. He's kind of a busy job this summer teaching Chris Bell how to run routes. Like that's, that's what worries me. I love the size speed combination. I love the body type. To me he looks like Sterling Sharp, just this powerful dude and Chris Bell is actually like a little taller and a little heavier than Sterling one of

Scott Baughman (29:07)

the non narrow wide receivers in this class. Narrow wide outs. Yeah he is built.

Pat Fitzmaurice (29:12)

He does look like a guy who could bully some cornerbacks. But I just you know I told you this on other Dynasty shows Boggs like I I knew that he was going to be considered like a potential first round pick and might have gotten first round buzz before the injury. So I watched some Louisville games last fall and I just, I wasn't impressed.

Scott Baughman (29:33)

So I understand. I just, I think, I think he could, I think he's developing and I think we saw him get Better his senior season and then he got hurt. But I think. I think the ball is rolling with Chris Bell now. I don't have him crazy high in my overall. Can I ask you a couple of. Would you rather have Bell or Jordan Addison?

Pat Fitzmaurice (29:54)

Addison.

Scott Baughman (29:55)

I have Addison. Higher. How about worthy?

Pat Fitzmaurice (29:59)

Still worthy.

Scott Baughman (30:00)

I think got worthy. Higher. Higgins. Jaden Higgins.

Pat Fitzmaurice (30:05)

Oh, Higgins.

Scott Baughman (30:07)

Yeah. So those are the guys I have ahead of him. How about your boy Matthew Golden?

Pat Fitzmaurice (30:11)

Golden.

Scott Baughman (30:12)

I would rather have Bell. Dobbs. Hmm.

Pat Fitzmaurice (30:19)

That's. That's an interesting one. They will be pretty close for me when I revise my Dynasty rankings. I'd probably rather have Bell.

Ryan Warmley (30:30)

Are you just. Just quickly because you mentioned. Are you ranking Dobbs Just like, assuming Brown is going to be there? Like, yes.

Pat Fitzmaurice (30:36)

Okay. Yes.

Scott Baughman (30:38)

Yeah, me too. And then I have them ahead of like, Parker Washington, Khalil, Shakir, you know, like, he's in that range. This is the tier for me. So I just think that he has a chance to be a number one this year and maybe beyond. But even if he's not a number one, I think he could be a pretty solid number two. So I have him 45among whiteouts.

Ryan Warmley (30:59)

So I just want to echo the point you made Fitz. Like, I do not. Or I think it was Fitz. One of you. I do not care who like that he was not the first receiver drafted. How many times we need to see this play out where the second guy is better to not, well, care so much.

Pat Fitzmaurice (31:15)

Yeah. Worm, you know your Baltimore Ravens. I. I've still got Elijah Surat ranked.

Ryan Warmley (31:19)

I was just going to use that example.

Scott Baughman (31:21)

Their specialty.

Pat Fitzmaurice (31:22)

Yeah, like, yeah. Jacobe Lane. I understand maybe why they took him and maybe that's kind of why they did it with these guys who are sort of like, I don't know, the. The guys who can be the. The deep threat types maybe go first for whatever reason. But, like, Elijah Surratt is a quarterback's best friend and I feel like Lamar Jackson is going to love him. And you know that if we're talking about volume, like, I'm pretty confident that Elijah Serat is going to have more catches this year than Jacoby Lane. Could be wrong about that, but that is. That is what I would bet.

Ryan Warmley (32:00)

I strongly agree. Like, I think it's a mistake to overreact to the draft capital in that particular way and put lean ahead of Surat. And same thing with Douglas and Bell. Like, we. Bell, we think is the better player. I think Douglas was. I might be misremembering, but I think Matt Harmon, who obviously does Fantastic work with receivers. I think Douglas was the first player drafted that he had not charted for reception perception and he was like a day two pick and it's like wild stuff.

Scott Baughman (32:31)

He said, he said he only got. I was watching him last night, he said he only got like 33 done because it's just so time consuming. Sure, 33 other guys done.

Ryan Warmley (32:40)

But in no case, not Douglas. Yeah, Fitz, you have another receiver here as a rookie winner.

Pat Fitzmaurice (32:45)

Yeah, it's Antonio Williams going to the Washington Commanders. And the Commanders only had two picks in the first four rounds of this draft. They picked Sunny Styles in the first round, seventh overall. Antonio Williams in the third didn't pick again until round five. And in this draft, man, when it got to round six, I was like, oh man, it is tumbleweeds in this draft. So very limited draft capital. And Washington took this guy like that speaks to how much they value him. And it's possible that had Sonny Styles not been there for them, they could have taken Carnell Tate or had Carnell Tate actually been around for them since he went four to the Titans. But again, Antonio Williams, really good route runner. I think he's going to mesh pretty well with Jaden Daniels right from the the start. And we place value on guys who have early college breakouts. As A true freshman, 18 years old at Clemson, a Power 5 school, Antonio Williams had 56 catches right off the bat. You know, got hurt his sophomore year, third year, had 11 touchdown catches, 75 total catches. So this guy's been productive for a football powerhouse. And really Terry McLaurin is the only proven pass catcher the Commanders have on the roster. They brought in Chico Conquo they've got some interesting other young receivers, McCaffrey, Jalen Lane. But I think Antonio Williams, just based on the way he was valued by this franchise, is going to play a lot right off the bat and he's going to be in a good offense.

Ryan Warmley (34:33)

I the three names that I would going to planning the show I was like we have to talk about as winners were Ty Simpson, Jadarian Price and Antonio Williams. I think Antonio Williams is a really big winner. I don't think this is where he is in consensus but for me like he is in my top 14 and will not be getting it. Like I just think it's such a clear pathway to opportunity with a quarterback that we really like. Tara McLaurin is the only player that I certain is going to be higher on the pecking order than him. And Terry McClure is going to be turning 31 in September like he is sneaky older for a guy who hasn't been in the league that long. There is legitimate opportunity here and in a class like this where outside of the first round, like, boy, does it get ugly quick. He will be an early second round pick for me at every opportunity because I just think like there's. There's nobody whose opportunity I'm more excited about that I didn't already really love as a player going, not that I disliked Williams but that I like. Obviously I'm excited about some of these opportunities of guys that we already liked. But he's the one that I most was like, okay, that the chance he's going to get in Washington really moves the needle for me. Bagman, where do you come down on Williams right now?

Scott Baughman (35:46)

Yeah, I love him. I have him at 15among rookies. I have him in his tier with. I've got him in a tier with like, you know, the, the other guys that we talked about. Bernard Fields, Brazil Bell. I'm. You guys know I love Skyler Bell. I got him over Skyler Bell because Bell is, you know, he's got more. He has Khalil Shakir to deal with. So I know they called him Jamar Chase Light or whatever and that's probably not going to help his draft stock once we get there. But I really like Antonio Williams landing in Washington. I think Worm, you said it absolutely correct. Terry McLaurin is the only one that is absolutely 100% guaranteed to have more targets than him. I think Burks will. I think that Williams could beat out McCaffrey. McCaffrey has not been impressive at all, so I think he could be on the field a lot. Chiga Conquo maybe could beat him for targets as well, but they don't also have a Bell Cow running back. You have a gross mix here of a guy like that. I like in Katron Allen, but he's not guaranteed anything. I like Rashad White, but he's not a lead back and neither is Corey Crosky, Merritt. So this is going to be probably a high volume passing team specifically with their defense as well. So I think Antonio Williams is in for a really big year. If he can win that job right out of camp, you could have a massive year. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited about Antonio Williams.

Pat Fitzmaurice (37:11)

You guys like him. You don't love him if you've got him 14 and 15. I've got him eight.

Scott Baughman (37:16)

Okay. Yeah, I don't love him as much as you, I'll admit that.

Ryan Warmley (37:19)

Well, to be. To Be clear, I didn't say he was 14th. I said he's clearly inside my top 14. Like that because I do see a bit of a like because I see those 12, you know, we have kind of that top 12 in consensus and then Jonah Coleman and Antonio Williams. I definitely don't have him as high as eight, but he's in. So you have like tier for me.

Pat Fitzmaurice (37:36)

Warm you of Chris Bell ranked higher. No, you, you don't. You have Antonio Williams ranked.

Ryan Warmley (37:42)

I would, I would rather have Antonio Williams and Chris Bell.

Pat Fitzmaurice (37:44)

Okay.

Scott Baughman (37:45)

Because I have Bernard in between Bell and Williams.

Ryan Warmley (37:48)

I, I, so I, so again, like Jeremiah Love, Mendoza Tate, Tyson Lemon, Concepcion Price, Ty Simpson because of Super Flex, Omar Cooper, Eli Stowers, Denzel Boston, Kenyan Sadiq. Those are the top 12 in our staff combined rankings right now. I think those are going to be the top 12 for most people. And then I'll throw in, you know, in some order and then I throw in Jonah Coleman and Antonio Williams as the 13th and 14th. Those are kind of like the top 14th. I'm working with a guy like Chris Bell, Jeremy Bernard, Brazil, those guys are not crazy far off, but they're after that top 14 for me. But yeah, I like Antonio Williams a lot.

Pat Fitzmaurice (38:27)

Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to be regarded as a mid to late second round pick in rookie drafts. I think he should be one of the guys at the top of the second round.

Ryan Warmley (38:36)

I firmly, firmly agree. All right, let's go to the losers here. Fitz, who is your rookie loser?

Pat Fitzmaurice (38:45)

Oh, it's gotta be Mike Washington. Just going to the team that has Ashton Genty. I know there were not a lot of ideal landing spots for rookie running backs this year, but definitely not ideal is going to the Ashton Genty team. So there, there are still outs for Mike Washington to have value as a rookie. I mean, Genti could obviously get hurt or the Raiders just, they realize they're not going to win the super bowl this year. So why, why force feed Ashton Genty 350 touches in a year when you know you're not going to hit the promised land, like save him for when you're actually good. So maybe Mike Washington has a little bit more of a role in a reserve capacity than, than we would expect. But still, that's like at best, what, six to eight touches a game? And that's not someone you're starting in any given week. Like barring an injury, I mean, it would, it would take Genty getting hurt for you to ever want to start Mike Washington in Dynasty.

Ryan Warmley (39:53)

Yeah, he, it's hard to, it's hard for me to picture him as anything other than just a high end handcuff at this point.

Scott Baughman (40:00)

Bogman Tyler Algier. Right, like that is what you're getting.

Ryan Warmley (40:04)

I think that's, that's the upside. That's like best case scenario.

Scott Baughman (40:07)

That's what he aspires to be. Is, is Tyler Algerian to like earn those goal line touches. Right? That's the upside With Mike Washington at this point, his first season in the NFL, Asha Genti was ninth in touches per game. Right. So a top 10 player already in touches per game and you. They fix the offensive line in the quarterback position this year. They didn't really fix the targets. Right. They didn't go out and get a great wide receiver. Naylor is a fine addition, but they just didn't do a ton here to, you know, give the ball to, to other players. And Mike Washington was probably their best offensive piece that they picked in the draft outside of Mendoza. So I think that it's going to be a lot of Genti again and he's, he's more value. He's the most valuable to you if you are rostering Ash and Genti as a handcuff so you know, Gen Z could get her and Mike Washington ascends. Right. But ifs and buts. I just.

Ryan Warmley (41:10)

Where's the right spot to draft him?

Scott Baughman (41:14)

I have, I have him below like all those other running backs. I have them below Coleman, Emmett Johnson, Katron Allen, Nick Singleton. I think I might even take Claiborne who was drafted, you know, late in the, in the fifth or late in the sixth. Excuse me. Over Mike Washington right now because the landing spot is much better in Minnesota. Like, you know, that was probably a really good landing spot, Clayborne going to Minnesota, but it was almost in the seventh round so I know people want to ignore him. Right. And he may not even make the roster. That's a possibility. We know Mike Washington is. But I can see a scenario where I would rather take Claiborne because I think he gets touches quicker in Minnesota than Mike Washington. So yeah, I have him at 27.

Ryan Warmley (41:57)

Fits for you. I mean, setting aside that like he maybe is more valuable if you have Genti just in a vacuum, where would you be looking to draft Washington?

Pat Fitzmaurice (42:05)

End of the second, early third? I've got him 24. He's not going to last that long though. Like he's going to. I'm surprised I have him ranked ahead of Bogman, but there are guys. So like the four or five guys I have right behind him, Elijah Surratt, Zachariah Branch, Dejon Stribling, Katron Allen, Kalon Black can make the case for any of those guys going ahead of him. So 24 is almost sort of a rosy outlook for him. But I do have Demon Claiborne ranked ahead of him. Like, I just, in addition to the bad landing spot, like, I have some issues with Washington's game, just the fumbling issues and the way he turns his back into contact.

Ryan Warmley (42:45)

By the way, before we go to the next player here, I, I normally hate when shows do this, but I do want to just very quickly, for a point of clarification, backtrack on something from the Antonio Williams conversation. Because it just struck me while we were talking there, Fitz, when I, I. When you said eighth, you meant at receiver, because when I said 14, I meant overall, he's 14. And then, but then when you said eight, I was like, wow, that's crazy. That's not even what his rankings show on the site. And then it struck me later, you meant receiver 8, but are still in. In the same range as me.

Pat Fitzmaurice (43:12)

So you're 15 overall or 14.

Ryan Warmley (43:15)

He's 14th overall in that range for me. In the 13, 14 range.

Scott Baughman (43:19)

Wide receiver eight for me, Fitzy. So.

Ryan Warmley (43:21)

Oh, amongst the position.

Scott Baughman (43:22)

Can we be friends again?

Pat Fitzmaurice (43:24)

Yes, we can.

Ryan Warmley (43:24)

I just, I just. Because that, that hit me while we were talking, you know, about Mike Washington, I was thinking back on it, and I wanted to clarify for everybody.

Scott Baughman (43:34)

I'm over here, like, man, I really, really.

Ryan Warmley (43:36)

I know.

Pat Fitzmaurice (43:36)

Yeah. No, no, I have four. 14 overall.

Ryan Warmley (43:39)

Okay, so obviously very in line then.

Pat Fitzmaurice (43:42)

Except for whichever of you losers said you have him 15 overall.

Ryan Warmley (43:45)

And I'm guessing that's Chris Bell is ahead for Bogman. That's the difference. Yes. Okay, we will get back to the losers here. Bachman, who is your rookie loser?

Scott Baughman (43:56)

It's gotta be Max Claire. I wasn't big on him going in, but I, at least, you know, if he landed in a spot where they're, you know, devoid of a tight end, he could have been the guy. But, like, the prospect. But where do we think he falls just in terms of the pecking order on his own team, right? Puka Devante, Kyron Quorum, all our options ahead of him just to, you know, ahead of any tight end. And then you have Colby Parkinson led them in targets among tight ends in 2025. And Terence Ferguson, I think Fitzy agrees with me, is a better prospect coming in than Max Claire. So, you know, we can say Higby is old but he's still there as of today. Davis Allen gets on the field a lot to block as well, so. And he's a better blocker than Claire. So I just think that Claire is going to be limited, specifically this season, early. Like, let's just even say they cut Higby. He's still going to be behind all three of those guys for snaps, in my opinion, as a rookie. And, you know, can he work his way in here? He could. And this is a good offense to be in. I like that.

Ryan Warmley (44:59)

But.

Scott Baughman (44:59)

But, you know, the hit rate for tight ends is miserable anyway, so I don't want to take a tight end that I think is the second best on his team. Once the rest of the trash clears and the trash is still on the team, Colby Parkinson can get cut. Higby can get cut, and I still think he's third because Davis Allen is such a good blocker. So I, I really hate this landing spot for Claire. I would have loved it if he ended up almost anywhere else.

Ryan Warmley (45:24)

Yeah, I think I liked Claire even more than you did, Bogman, which is why he's even more of a loser getting a, you know, disappointing landing spot. And of course, it's not just him. You know, Terence Ferguson isn't listed on our veteran losers, but like, I was really excited about Ferguson and it hurts him. And it's. Yeah, it is a. Was a real bummer of a move. I don't know if it's like, technically the, like, this is the guy who by the numbers, lost the most value because of the landing spot, but it is one of the ones that I was the most like, really, like they're going to do that. It was just.

Scott Baughman (45:54)

It was just.

Ryan Warmley (45:55)

Just a disappointment, really. And Fitz, I'm pretty sure you agree with Claire here as a loser.

Pat Fitzmaurice (46:00)

Yeah, we talked about him a little bit on Saturday nights, how he was kind of a loser just going into this log jam of tight ends with the Rams. And, you know, I was. The other thing is, I think, well, this, this might be the last year of Colby Parkinson's contract, although they did curiously sign an extension with Tyler Higby. So they're going to have Higby Ferguson and Claire long term. I guess in thinking about this a little bit after our Saturday night conversation, one of the reasons why maybe I've. I wouldn't say I've reversed my position on Claire being sort of a loser, but the one reason I have optimism is like, the Rams do seem to be sort of at the vanguard of this multi tight end trend that's going on in the NFL. Like they used more three tight end sets than anyone in the league last year and like way more than anyone in the league. So if that's kind of the way things are trending, I don't know, maybe, maybe they find ways to get Claire involved because this was a guy who, you know, we also talked about this on the show Friday. I think he had 31% of Purdue's receiving yardage in 2024 before he went to Ohio State. Kind of disappeared a little lost in the shuffle behind Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate. So this is a good player. Maybe the Rams are going to find ways to use them. But yeah, on the surface it's just kind of a messy situation and you know, ultimately you have to decide whether to start guys like this. How could you confidently start Max Claire? It would take a lot for him to be startable. I think some sort of injury, some sort of like demonstrated commitment to him. But like it's, it's hard to see a path to him being a fantasy starter for anyone in 2026.

Scott Baughman (47:56)

I would say Sam Rausch lost more, but also I was just high on Sam Raush. I don't think a lot of people were nearly as high. Claire was higher in the consensus than Roush was going in. I think so.

Pat Fitzmaurice (48:07)

But the thing is lost though, Roush is like his blocking is going to help the Bears. Claire is a catch first tight end going to a team that's got other good pass catching tight ends.

Ryan Warmley (48:20)

I, I just before we taped this show did a live stream with our friend and colleague Jake Seeley of the Athletic and we were talking a bit about his rankings and Max Claire came up and I believe if I'm remembering correctly he dropped him to like, like 50th in his overall rookie like rankings and super play. Like he is like this is his value is nuked and he is now a like late fourth, early fifth round pick in rookie drafts. Even in a weak class like he

Scott Baughman (48:48)

is to going, he really got him at 43.

Ryan Warmley (48:50)

Lowered him. Yeah Fitz, where do you have him?

Pat Fitzmaurice (48:53)

35. I'm a little more optimistic. Got him ahead of Drew Aller, put it that way.

Ryan Warmley (48:57)

Would you rather Claire.

Scott Baughman (48:59)

I also have my head of Drew out.

Ryan Warmley (49:00)

Drew Aller was ahead of him for, for Jake. He was ahead of a lot of people for Jake which I was thinking about you guys when we were looking at that Max Claire or Eli Raridon who gets the Patriots landing spot, which I think is pretty good. Who do you guys like?

Scott Baughman (49:14)

Eli Eli for you, bogman.

Ryan Warmley (49:16)

Claire for you. Fits. Okay.

Pat Fitzmaurice (49:17)

I just think Claire's better.

Scott Baughman (49:19)

Okay.

Ryan Warmley (49:20)

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Ryan Warmley (51:02)

Alright guys, let's do one veteran loser each. Fitz will start with you.

Pat Fitzmaurice (51:06)

RJ Harvey. Broncos drafted Jonah Coleman early on day three. And I just, I don't think the Broncos liked what they saw when J.K. dobbins went down and R.J. harvey had to take on a bigger load. He just wasn't really explosive or efficient. And now they've got this committee with Dobbins, Coleman, R.J. harvey. It's just going to be hard to start Harvey with any confidence knowing that it's probably going to be a three back rotation for the Broncos.

Ryan Warmley (51:35)

I agree with Harvey as a loser. I will say this on the other side. Like I think I like the landing spot for Coleman better than I think a lot of people seemed to online when it happened. I saw a lot of people throwing their hands up frustrated like oh, like Sean Payton, you know, hates fantasy managers. There's multiple guys back here. Listen, Dobbins gets hurt every year. Like I'll believe it when I see it for him to have a fully healthy season. The fact that Sean Payton hates fantasy managers plays into Coleman's favorite because people want Harvey to get the opportunity and like I could see him going to Coleman instead. And I'm also really curious to see what the offense looks like with Davis Webb now calling plays. Of course it's Sean Payton's team and his offense is the offensive genius. But like they kept, they gave Webb play calling duties to keep him in town. I wonder if he, you know, is a little more friendly to fantasy managers and also they just. I think Coleman's a pretty good player. We read that Ericsson tweet during the stream on, on Saturday about all the players who kind of fit the same profile that he's describing in terms of receiving yards and draft capital. It's a lot of really good players. So I think I like Coleman more than most seem to, at least upon early reactions. Which plays even more into Harvey being a loser here if Coleman really does get the opportunity. Bachmann, where are you at on Harvey?

Scott Baughman (52:55)

Yeah, I mean I, I had to lower Harvey. I have him at 27 now. Him and Coleman is a tough. I just feel like they're somewhat similar. Right. So who is going to rise to the top here? I, I would. I still like Harvey a little more as a prospect, but I really think that this is a coin flip. So much so that I have them in the same tier of running backs. Like overall I have Harvey at 27. I have Coleman at 34 overall. So I don't know which way this one is going to go. But I agree with Fitz that Harvey is one of the bigger losers and honestly because we didn't like so many of the landing spots, there weren't as many losers among running backs as we thought there were going to be. Coming in right Pollard and Spears are. Didn't lose a lot because they didn't reach for somebody. Singleton maybe, but, but yeah, I, I think, I think this is a good pick and Harvey definitely lost some sales. But I also think that like let's say Harvey's gone next year. I don't think either one of these guys is keeping them from going out after a free agent, which there are a ton of free agents next year, or drafting someone that would end up being better than both of them. So I, I think this isn't a great landing spot, baby, for either one of them long term. But this year I think one of them is going to rise to the top and I just don't know which one it is. Yeah, well, bet on Harvey, but not confidently.

Pat Fitzmaurice (54:24)

One of the things, I mean we like about having backs in a Sean Payton offense is that they generally catch a lot of passes. Like there are a lot of running back receptions to go run into Sean Payton offense. And if it was just going to be Dobbins and Harvey, like Dobbins is not a prolific pass catcher. So you felt pretty good about Harvey's reception outlook. But Jonah Coleman now is a pretty good pass catcher too. And that's, that's the big problem for Harvey.

Ryan Warmley (54:49)

He's also a very good pass protector. So they will trust him on the field in those situations early, which does not always happen with rookies.

Pat Fitzmaurice (54:56)

It is fun to watch Jonah Coleman pass block because he's this little guy, five eight and he will stick you, man. He will try.

Scott Baughman (55:03)

He knows how to use that. That low.

Pat Fitzmaurice (55:05)

Yeah, he will like try to knock you off your feet.

Ryan Warmley (55:08)

Nobody likes points to that when thinking about like dynasty value or what's their pass blocking like. But it will help them get them

Scott Baughman (55:14)

gets you on the field.

Ryan Warmley (55:15)

Absolutely. Will Bogman, who's your veteran loser?

Scott Baughman (55:20)

Jerry Judy. And this was kind of to counteract what we just heard the other day where they said, oh, you know these guys being drafted by the Browns is not going to impact Judy at all. How, what are we talking about? Yes, the quarterback position was awful in 2025, but his reception percentage dropped from 47, 247.6% in 2025. And he went, you know, he went from 12, 29 yards in 24 to 602 in 2025. Fannin had 22 more catches on fewer targets, two fewer targets. He had 22 more catches than Jerry Judy. And you know, I think it's just highly doubtful that Jerry Judy sees 100 plus targets with Concepcion and a boss in there. And even the free agent signing of your guy, Tylen Wallace. Right. Like a bond, another year in Cleveland. Like, I just don't think Jerry Judy is a good wide receiver. I think we all overrated him coming in. He had one good year because nobody else was there to catch the ball in Cleveland last year. He was 52nd in total points in PPR among whiteouts and 70th in points per game. I got him at wide receiver. 75. I have no interest in Jerry Judy. I'm getting ready of him.

Ryan Warmley (56:30)

Fitz.

Pat Fitzmaurice (56:31)

Not hard to imagine him being fourth in the target pecking order this year behind Fanon Concepcion in Boston. And I think the Bronze do have him under contract through 2027. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he did not see the final year of his deal in. In Cleveland.

Ryan Warmley (56:49)

Yeah.

Scott Baughman (56:50)

At least he has a terrible attitude about it too. So that's good.

Ryan Warmley (56:54)

Yeah, go ahead.

Pat Fitzmaurice (56:56)

Go ahead.

Scott Baughman (56:58)

2020 void. I'll go 2028 void. And he will say 15.8 million on the cap next year. Safe to say he's not in Cleveland in 27.

Pat Fitzmaurice (57:07)

Yeah, I was just. If there's anything else on Judy, I was just gonna throw in one more quick veteran loser I was thinking about, like earlier today, and it's actually a collective group of veteran losers. I just wonder if. So we were all kind of confounded by the Jaguars taking a couple of tight ends, including Nate Borkircher with the second round pick. Like, everyone was like, what? What are they doing? And then who was the other one? Tanner Coziol in the fifth round, I believe.

Scott Baughman (57:39)

Yeah, I like Tanner Cozy all too.

Pat Fitzmaurice (57:41)

So they take these two tight ends and they already had

Scott Baughman (57:46)

Strange.

Pat Fitzmaurice (57:46)

Yeah, Brenton Strange. So, like, obviously they want to do more what the Rams were doing with these two and three tight end sets. Okay. If you have two tight ends on the field at one time, that means you only have two wide receivers. Unless you, you know, go with an empty backfield. No running back. So who of BTJ Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington is the odd man out there or like, is it kind of a little haircut in value for all of them if the Jags go to multiple tight end sets? And oh, by the way, they have not slammed the door on Travis Hunter playing a lot of wide receiver yet. So, like this, this tight end thing, the more I thought about it, the less interested I got. And we just did a show on the main channel. Like, guys, I'm excited about for Redraft and Parker Washington was one of them. I'm a little less excited than I was before the draft about Parker Washington.

Scott Baughman (58:39)

It's a great point. Fitz. I did not consider that. That is a very good point, my friend.

Ryan Warmley (58:45)

That's a good one.

Scott Baughman (58:45)

I think I'm gonna have to lower Washington now. Great point.

Ryan Warmley (58:49)

If you want to see where rookies stack up against each other after the NFL draft, you can check out our dynasty Rookie rankings@fantasyprose.com rankings. See where the experts slot in these players. We have just a couple minutes left here on the show, guys. We can talk about just some general rankings movers, somebody that I want to throw out that I actually just thought of in the last like two minutes. I wasn't like coming in planning to like throw a name here. And this by the way doesn't have to be rookies. It can be veterans too. I think in redraft and therefore if you're a contending team in dynasty leagues, I would consider this player. The Ravens did not take Sadiq. They did not take really a true receiving weapon at tight end. They waited till rounds four and five to take their two tight ends and it's not like they didn't take Justin Jolie or these guys that were like really excited maybe step in as a potential like high target earner. I think Mark Andrews is going to be pretty under underrated in trades right now. If you are a contender, I bet you can get him for pretty cheap and they didn't. They added pass catchers but they added them later in the draft. He is still Lamar Jackson's like best friend on the field. He's his favorite target. He's going to be a huge red zone weapon for them because they don't have a ton of other obvious guys to do that who aren't rookies. I think Andrews is in for a bounce back season and I wouldn't, I, I didn't expect to feel that way. I've been kind of out on him but as I was thinking through this conversation, I think he's going to be kind of undervalued and I'd be moving him up even in dynasty ranks if you are a contender, obviously if you're not, then I wouldn't waste your time but I think it'll be cheap to acquire in trades. People want to go to the fun young guys and I think that's a mistake if you're trying to win this year. Fitz, what do you think about that?

Pat Fitzmaurice (60:27)

Yeah, he could be an old boring value for sure if you're just looking to win. Especially like if you're doing Dynasty best ball. You know he's like obviously there are a lot of younger better tight ends or more promising tight ends you'd rather start. But I if you're kind of, if you don't have one of those guys and you're just kind of trying to ham and egg it at the tight end position. Mark Andrews really easy got a trade foreign dynasty.

Ryan Warmley (60:55)

I I'm get nobody is going to rank him this way particularly from the dynasty like perspective. But it would not surprise me if he is a very boring tight end one this year. Like he's I think he's going to finish inside the top 12 even though I'm not even saying I'm going to rank him there because there's other names I want to take swings on instead. But I'm, I would bet a lot that he finishes inside the top 10 or 12 just because of the usage he's going to get and his, his relationship with Lamar.

Scott Baughman (61:21)

I think he's definitely for redrafts. He's 100 a tight end and, and,

Ryan Warmley (61:25)

and yes that's a redraft thing but I think that makes him a value in dynasty trades as well.

Scott Baughman (61:29)

It does. Yeah. I mean if you're a win now team and you don't have a strong tight end like Fitzy said, if you're just trying to PB&J it like and

Ryan Warmley (61:35)

he's going to be cheap.

Scott Baughman (61:36)

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's for this year. You know you want to start him over sours you want to start him over Sadiq, you still want to start. You know when is Kittle coming back? We have no idea. You he's better than Gadsden. Still. Fitz just mentioned about more targets for other tight ends in Jacksonville for Brenton Strange. Right. So like yeah, I think more often than not he's going to finish as a tight end one in fantasy this year.

Ryan Warmley (61:59)

Would you rather ham and egg it or PB and J it Because I don't know which one's better.

Scott Baughman (62:05)

I definitely did.

Ryan Warmley (62:06)

Before we get out of here, any other rankings movers either rookies or veterans that you guys want to highlight? Either of you?

Pat Fitzmaurice (62:13)

Well, Garrett nosmeyer was my QB3among rookies coming into this draft. He is he has slid a few spots and I hated, I hated having to drop Elijah Surratt. You know everyone had the same six guys at the top the there's that top tier with Tate Lemon and Tyson. There's that second tier with Concepcion, Boston and Omar Cooper in some order and then like for Me, Surratt was number seven, but the fact that he didn't go on day two was really disappointing. Even though I still like him and, and still like him more than Jacoby Lane who went earlier to the Baltimore Ravens. But, you know, I, I just can't keep him at wide receiver seven anymore, obviously.

Ryan Warmley (62:52)

Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I love, love the pick from the Ravens fan perspective. Do not love it from the fantasy perspective. I, I think he could even supplant Rashad Bateman. Like, I think Surratt's good and it just has never gotten kind of put all together for Bateman. But okay, so if you're, if best case scenario, you're wide receiver two on the Ravens, you're still behind Zay Flowers by a long, a wide margin and the running game with Derrick Henry and in the red zone probably, you know, Mark Andrews, like I just said, and Lamar Jackson running himself. Like I, I like Surratt, but you have to, you have to drop him. That's a good call.

Scott Baughman (63:26)

Yeah, for me it's just like running backs overall, even the guys that I think landed in good spots like Emmett Johnson, I think landed in a great spot in Kansas City. Fifth round pick Catron Allen. Love the landing spot in Washington. Six round pick. Same thing with Clayborne and Claiborne. Fifth and sixth round pick and Worm, you made the great point while we're on the show of like, look, this is a good landing spot for, to start your career for sure. But being a 5th round pick, being a 6 round pick does not protect you against them signing someone to take your spot. Somebody gets cut from another team, you could get pushed off the roster that way or just at least down to where you don't matter for fantasy at all. And you know, that was frustrating just for running backs overall in this class. So I just even Coleman was 177 in the fifth round. So I just have like a grip of wide receivers in front of all these running backs because they were, you know, so late in the draft capital in such a weak class too. It's just not a good sign.

Ryan Warmley (64:25)

Yeah, pretty. This isn't strictly 100% true, but pretty much anybody we didn't list in the winners segment probably went down in the rankings. There wasn't a whole lot disappointing draft. I know.

Scott Baughman (64:36)

What was it? Was it Zachary was. He was crying a lot on Twitter the last couple days. He's like, I think he had a comment something along the lines of like you can do, you can do your draft right now. You can also punch yourself in the groin a bunch of times. So I I I understand the FR

Ryan Warmley (64:52)

but I joked on this some value. I joked on the stream with Jake that I referenced earlier. I can't say the meme actually the words in it because they're inappropriate. But it's there's a meme of the guy holding up the sign. It says our expectations were low but holy. And then a curse word. And that's how I feel about this draft. Like our expectations were already low coming in. This was not like some heralded class that then the draft ruined. It was already low but holy. You know, cow is the better way

Scott Baughman (65:19)

to say we told you to get out of this class all you know from January until now.

Ryan Warmley (65:23)

Hopefully you listened. All right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up there. Thanks everybody for checking out our NFL Draft winners and losers along with some of the bigger rankings movers. For Bachman and Fitz, I'm Ryan Wormley. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you again next time. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Follow us on x Instagram and TikTok at Fantasy Pros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com.

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