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NFL Trade Deadline Fantasy Football Fallout: Jakobi Meyers, Rashid Shaheed & More Movers (Ep. 1820)
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What's up friends and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh. We've got Derek Brown here and we've got trade deadline breakdowns. Yes, the trade deadline came and passed. Dbro and I were live on The Fantasy Pros YouTube channel doing the waiver wire show. But we were there dedicated to do some breakdowns and unfortunately the trade deadline ended with a whimper where it came out hot out the gates. We had some big, big blockbuster defensive trades that happen and some very fantasy relevant trades on both sides of the players that were traded to what spots were open, whether it's positive or negative. And what we're going to do for you here is we are going to give you Debro and I's breakdowns of the NFL trade deadline. Unfortunately, it just wasn't more and more exciting. It really set the stage to be this awesome trade deadline and it just completely, completely died down. And at the end I'll probably tell you the most disappointing one. But if you're looking for breakdowns on Jacobi Myers, Rashid Shahid and what potentially the defensive trades the jets made could do in fantasy, well, we're going to break it down. So here is Derek Brown and myself here giving you all the news you needed to know on the NFL trade deadline. Breaking down the latest we had some big trades. The biggest trades don't have the applicable fantasy relevance in that like the player that was traded is fantasy relevant, but it does create spots and some questions. First, big trade the two defensive trades. The jets have made two big moves. They traded Sauce Gardner to the Colts. They got two first rounders. Adnai Mitchell also going to the jets is super fascinating. We also saw the jets trade Quinn and Williams to the Cowboys for a first and second round. We're not going to break down the defensive side of this. If you got any takes on Mitchell, that's great. But the thing that this did open up and I just want to point this out here and we may be talking about it shortly. I was live on our, on our Twitch Twitch TV fantasy pros when these trades happen. And we immediately went, oh Breeze, Hall's getting traded like this. When Sauce got traded for two first rounders, we said Breece is getting traded. So I do have an expectation in the next hour we're going to see a trade go down. So I think that's kind of where the real fantasy relevance comes out of this. But dbro, you can throw your take Sauce and Quinnan Both being moved, A.D. mitchell being moved to the Jets. Like what do you think about these trades? And in this little breakdown, I mean.
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So the whole thing with Sauce, dude, like if you can as an NFL team, if you can get two first round picks for a freaking cornerback and the volatility of year to year play from a cornerback, that's insane. Like I Ballard, bro, you better hope he hits the ground running and that works out. I'm not with paying that kind of cost and I understand how talented Sauce is. Fine. Same thing with Dallas, man, giving him a first and second for a D tackle.
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It's Jerry, dude, you know those picks are burning a hole in his pocket, man. So it, it is what it is. And for all the Jet stuff, maybe I'm just, I, I'm. I'm negative with all this stuff. But the other thing with the Jet side, they're compiling all these picks. That's great on paper and it's wonderful. You better hope you hit on all these draft picks because you swing and miss on half of them or 60% of them. You're gonna look really foolish trading away cornerstone type of players for a franchise. But yeah, we can get to all the fantasy players. But I mean, any other quick thoughts there, Welsh, with all the defensive stuff?
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Yeah, I mean I think it's, it's an all there. There are two great moves. I think the Colts are fascinating just because like their biggest issue has been their secondary. I think that makes maybe defensively that kind of makes them a little bit more palatable. Obviously they're going all in, you know, Cowboy, I just don't like what they. These teams gave up, but I like the moves that they did. Those were the big blockbusters. The term blockbuster gets thrown around when we do have two more fantasy relevant moves that were thrown out. Number one was the Raiders traded Jacoby Myers and this one goes to the Jags. And there's so many implications here. It's what happened to Parker Washington and his value as he was going to Be exciting for waivers Brian Thomas, a la Travis Hunter, Jacoby Myers value, and Trey Tucker. They're all put into this dbro. You put your thoughts down on both the trades we're going to talk about. You guys can find it on Fantasy Pro's website if you want to see it in written form, which I highly suggest you do. But why don't you give us a little cliff note here. Is this a positive for Jacoby Myers? Is this a positive for Trey Tucker? What do you think?
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Dude, it's. There's a lot to get through with that. I'll just take the Raiders side real fast. I mean, Brock Bowers is going to eat a 30 to 35% target share. That is the big fallout of this. He creates a starting spot for Jack Besh in the starting lineup. So he's honestly the quietest of winners out of all of this stuff because I think he rolls into assuming the Jacoby Myers role as their slot guy. You're still going to see Trey Tucker on the outside, probably. Now it creates another spot for Dante Thornton to get back in the starting lineup. So if you want to take a shot in deep, deep leagues on Dante Thornton, I get it. Jack Bash is my preferred, like, quiet pickup in a lot of leagues. Well, you're probably gonna be able to get him for, like, men bid like a dollar or two.
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You prefer him over Thornton? Because I think Thornton's gonna be. Yes. Floating out. I do. Okay.
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I do. I prefer him over Thornton because when Thornton was on the field earlier this season, he was the high a dot field stretcher guy. The guy we thought was coming out as, you know, his prospect type and the usage from Tennessee. So if you're looking at a volume outlook, I would rather, you know, toss a dollar or two of Jack Besh. I mean, up to maybe three or four if you really need wide receiver help. And the lottery ticket down the. Down the stretch. I'm not a Trey Tucker guy. He hasn't done anything outside of the one monster game. Really not a high target share guy. Not a guy that I think is really going to move the needle for Fantasy or the NFL outlook. So people can miss me with Trey Tucker. But over on the Jag side, man, it is nothing but muddy water. Like, we don't know if we see Travis Hunter. Like, you could take this one of two ways for Travis Hunter's outlook. Either the Jags know, okay, he's probably lost for the whole rest of the season, or they're trying to build things up for Trevor Lawrence and maybe at the end of the season walking into the playoffs, he's got a three wide set of Brian Thomas Jr. Jacobe Myers and Travis Hunter. I kind of lean that maybe this is more telling about Travis Hunter. We shall see. But this is all I kind of say like if you've got Travis Hunter stashed in an IR spot depending on what you need to do and what have you. I don't know if Travis Hunter is necessarily a must hold on rosters if if you got a crunch but again we'll see what all that looks like. Brian Thomas Jr. It did come out that he's got I think it's a low grade high ankle so I don't obviously I don't think he's playing this week but that's great to hear that there wasn't a fracture and he's like not out for the rest of the season because we were all in limbo not knowing what to do with him. So the the big big news and what I already updated in the Waiver Wire article that's live on fantasypros.com right now is dropping the bids for Parker Washington and changing his rest of season outlook. Like I know it doesn't impact him that much this week because Kobe Myers it's a short week, little time to learn the offense. He's probably out there this week and active but he's not going to probably play a full time route share. Probably just in on passing downs and maybe select packages depending on what he could pick up and how fast. So Parker Washington still like a wide receiver 3ish flex play, bad matchup this week. Bad. He's going to get the volume but moving forward this takes like everything out of what we were talked about on the Waiver wire show to begin the week where Parker Washington was the top AD for the week because we didn't have a lot of great options. He was going to get a crap ton of volume and was the wide receiver one this week. D. Brown going to miss this game with a concussion but Parker Washington man like it's it's nothing but muddy. Like I was willing to throw out like a 2 to $3 bid. I'm still kind of there if you need the help for specifically this week but rest of season outlook it's not great. Welsh like he might not even be starting in three wide if we get Brian Thomas Jr back Jacoby Myers is definitively going to be a starter and Travis Hunter returns. Washington might go back to the bench in a few weeks. So not a player you can look at for rest of season value a ton.
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Okay, let's. And let's do a quick on Jacoby because I think that's the biggest question. And then let's hit the last one here so we could. Because I see all you guys, you guys are dropping in super chats. We're going to get to all of it. I agree with you completely. I'm much more optimistic about Trey Tucker, by the way, than you are completely a Graham Parker Washington. It's almost become a nothing burger outside of maybe this week. But Jacoby Myers is the biggest question. I do not think this is a w. I don't think this is a great. I don't. I think it's relatively median across the line like he was going to the Raiders who weren't really throwing him the ball. I think when healthy he's going to go to a Jags team that's probably not going to throw him the ball that much. So this isn't. I think people feel like, ooh, this could be a positive. I don't look at it that way, frankly. I like Trey Tucker over Jacoby Myers rest of season. You don't like Tucker at all. So you probably don't feel that way. But I like Tucker over Jacoby Myers.
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No, but I think you could put the two of them in a similar area code. It kind of depends on what you think about them for talent and target your outlooks and stuff like that. I will say I agree with you that I don't think this is a plus for Myers. He could get a plus run out if Hunter doesn't come back and Brian Thomas Jr. Does miss more time than maybe we anticipate that that's where you could find some value. So if you have Jacoby, I mean if you can sell him, then sell him. But likely you're stuck holding and I'm fine with that. But I don't think he's going to be anything more than what we've seen so far in most aspects where he's like a wide receiver three flex play on a lot of different weeks. And the other thing, the other fallout real quick Welsh from the Jaguar side of this, Brenton Strange. You can drop him. Just drop him. Like if he comes back, he's not going to be a high priority as far as target share and stuff. So if you were stashing him in a deeper league and you needed the tight end help, just drop him. I'm not worried about him the rest of the season.
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All right, last one on the trades that did Go down and then we're going to get to you guys. Is Rashid Shahid. Rashid Shahid pretty much threw cold water on the Horton stuff. I was kind of dismissive after pizza. PS3, hands up. On the Sunday stream I've mentioned this. Someone was like, would you start Horton? I'm like, no, to be fair, it was against someone you clearly were not. And then Horton had the two touchdowns. As soon as the trade went down, you kind of went, ooh, Cooper Cups in. Cooper Cup's injury looks a lot more of a problem. But at the same time, Rashid Shahid is going to take the top off the defense. So this is not a good situation for Horton. We went from a waivers that probably was going to start with Parker Washington and then Torry Horton to both of these guys. Really I don't think being super relevant. I think Shahid kind of takes that takes that off. So do you agree?
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Yes, I agree. And what I said in the article that's live on the site. Cooper cup is droppable and Tor Tori Horton is not worth a pickup now. And for everybody, like I. I was talking in discord earlier and people are like, could Seattle go three wide receiver set heavy? And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not happening. That I don't think that's happening. What you're going to ask for a team, if that's the case, you're asking them to change their DNA of how they're running their offense, who they are like those heavy personnel packages, the heavy play action is going to stay a big part of it. And just for everybody out there, some Seattle runs the second fewest 11 personnel in the entire freaking NFL. So for everybody out there, that means they're running two wide receiver sets. So if you're running 200 and I'm talking about like 36% of three wide, so over 60% of their plays are going to be with only two wide receivers on the field. Cup's not going to be that. He's not going to be on the field. Horton's not going to be on the field. You got to run routes to score fantasy points. So drop cup if you got him and do not pick up Tori Horton because he is now regulated to the bench because JSN is not coming off the field. And Rashid Shahid knows this offense. Yes, the verbiage is going to be different, but the route concepts, all that kind of stuff, he should be able to walk in here and assimilate really quickly. And I think he's going to be a better version of what we've seen out of Cooper cup this year. Wide Receiver 3 Flexish like if you need an upside play in the matchup is right.
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Yeah.
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He's going to have some big weeks.
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I agree. I love him here. I love this spot. Darnold's throwing the ball. I think this is a plus. And you know in in my eyes so far the fantasy pluses look like Rashid Shahid and Trey Turner. Trey Tucker in my eyes. I know you're not big on Chris Lobby too.
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Chris Olave is probably going to get like about a 30 to 35%.
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Juan Johnson's going to get 4 billion targets.
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That's a good call. That's a good yes.
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Can you give me just a 60 second run or less? What is your top five waivers this week? What is your top waiver options or if you just want to give like you know a couple running backs, couple wide receivers, a couple tight end who who tops your list that people can go read more words about you set up but since this is the waiver wire stream who are the top targets Position just lightning round style.
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So Isaiah Davis obviously the top running back tank is out there. We don't have any kind of report about Saquon's health but he's definitely worth the pickup. Alec Pierce is now my top wide receiver of the week. His matchup is fantastic. Go read the waiver wire article. Alec Pierce versus single high coverage will feed families. The next guy for wide receivers would be Troy Franklin. Slayton's after him and I said the top quarterback streamer for the week will be Sam Darnold or JJ and tight ends that are probably wildly available matchup based streaming options are Kate Otten and Dalton Schultz.
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How we have to how did the trade deadline absolutely pitter out like this. That is wild. What a setup we had. We're like the breeze not go it does. I mean we have one minute if.
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It'S Trevor pending to the Chargers which only helps our O line and Chargers people.
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Oh thank God. The trade we've been waiting for MLB trade deadline. You'll get like 15 minutes after you'll get like you know this one got in under the wire or whatever. So there's a chance there's still one minute. I cannot so you know the super here poured. Oh no. That was the David one. Where the hell did it go? It was the one that we were saving from Messer getting traded. We both thought it was for sure happening. It doesn't make sense. So if he's if he stays. What's your outlook on Breece? Like do you think they're going to use more Davis? Do you think? I mean he wanted out. Like what's your outlook on him staying as a Jet?
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I bet they they're going to incorporate more Isaiah Davis because they need to know if, if Bree walks. Because here's the thing, if they didn't trade him that they, they overplayed their they're just like we probably can get a better comp pick. It's probably, that's probably what it came down to do for the Jets. They probably said okay all these offers we can get a better comp pick in the off season so we're going to keep him. But to say the other part about that is since he stays they have to see if Isaiah Davis can be an answer for them in 2026. You might see more of a committee backfield. I can't see you don't make all these moves and then you turn around this offseason and pay Bree. So he's gone. He's not going to be a jet in 2026. So yeah I think you're going to see more Isaiah Davis. So probably a similar situation as like how we're, how we're looking at Chicago like assuming DeAndre Swift is healthy for the rest of the season like Isaiah Davis probably living in that 9 to 12 touch range. I mean what do you think Welshy, am I wrong with that?
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Yeah, I think that's about the same. I mean we've been popular into committee styles. I, I really like more than anything I'm just shocked like what's the point? Like was it really no team would give up more than like a six round pick and they felt the compensatory was going to be higher. That that really is the only logic to what this could have been that no and that happens in sports because if you're going to go and trade out the other pieces that you did, why would you not? I'm kind of surprised no team would step up a little bit further.
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Pollard didn't get moved man like Tennessee. What the ever loving heck are you doing?
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Yeah, yeah I, I, I'm surprised I mean surprised in general that the that the jets wouldn't have done this but they go to keep the compensatory pick and I'm surprised also that Pollard didn't get moved but I would suspect you're going to see kind of similar splits. Spears over Pollard, he already had out snapped him and I think you're Going to see even splits with Davis and Breeze hall. And you never know, you know, maybe even we see, you know, healthy scratches from Breeze or something like that.
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So I mean, here's the other part. Like, well, they're not going to cut. Yeah, healthy scratch. They're not going to cut him because then you wouldn't get the comp pick. So yeah, I agree with that.
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And there you have it. Oh, it could have been more the most disappointing thing we didn't get at the trade deadline. Breeze Hall. How did Breeze hall not get traded? That's the thing that we kind of stepped away from this. When we saw the trades happening of both Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams, it screamed, why would you not trade the player that was on a one year deal in Breeze Hall? He was tweeting about it looked like he was gone. Now maybe something could still happen where, I don't know, they release him or they come to some buyout, but there's compensatory things at the end of the day. The trade deadline set up literally up until we started doing the stream and then it died down with nothing else but the names again. Jacoby Myers, the Impact we had Rashid Shahid, the Impact. And then, you know, Quinn and Williams and Sauce Gardner. Unfortunately, the impact seemed a little bit less just because we thought this would go on the offensive side of the jets moving a guy like Breece Hall. But they're definitely. It had big waiver implications as far as Parker, Washington and Horton probably being the biggest negatives of the trade deadline because of the players that were brought in. But hopefully you guys enjoyed that breakdown. You're looking for more. Make sure you go to Fantasy Pros. Whether it is waiver trade, trade deadline breakdowns. We got it all covered for you. That's going to do it. Thank you so much for hanging out. I'm Chris Welsh. Thanks for that. Was dbro. We'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.
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