Player Evaluations, Ideal Drafting Spot, and Trade Help | Fantasy Football Q&A Livestream (Ep. 1679)

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Podcast: FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast
Episode: Player Evaluations, Ideal Drafting Spot, and Trade Help | Fantasy Football Q&A Livestream (Ep. 1679)
Date: August 30, 2025
Hosts: Seth Wilcock & Derek Brown (Downtown D-Bro)

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Episode Overview

This high-energy FantasyPros livestream episode is a rapid-fire Q&A session on the brink of the biggest fantasy football draft weekend of the year. Hosts Seth Wilcock and Derek Brown tackle an active Twitch chat, break down player moves, provide tiered drafting strategy advice, react to breaking league news, and dive deep into player value shifts in real time. The tone is fun and bantering, with both experts offering actionable analysis, notable hot takes, and sharp player ranking debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Adam Thielen Trade Fallout & NFC North WR Rankings

[03:32 – 15:22]

• Vikings-Panthers Trade:
  Adam Thielen returns to Minnesota. Vikings receive Thielen, a 2026 7th, and 2027 5th. Panthers get 2026 5th and 2027 4th.

• Impacts on Minnesota:

  • J.J. McCarthy sees another reliable outlet, but D-Bro not moving him into top-12 QB territory.

  • Adam Thielen rises to WR56 in D-Bro's ranks, befitting teams who need early-season depth, especially if stashing Jordan Addison or Rashee Rice (both missing early games).

    Quote:
    “He makes so much sense...if you’ve drafted Jordan Addison or Rashee Rice...he could make the difference between your team starting out 0-3 or 3-0 as a flex play.” – Derek Brown [05:01]

• Addison & Jefferson:

  • Addison's value (WR41 in D-Bro's ranks) and Jefferson's as WR3 overall see little impact.
  • CD Lamb edges Jefferson for WR2 status, but Jefferson is unmoved at WR3.

• Carolina Panthers Reactions:

  • Jalen Coker now set for an expanded role, bumped to WR52 by D-Bro; seen as a high-upside WR4/late round target.

  • Tet McMillan’s WR1 status for Carolina unchanged; D-Bro warns that market overreacts (McMillan’s real-time ADP surging toward the 4th round).

  • Wide Receiver 2 Battle: Best three-receiver set for CAR projected as McMillan (X), Leggette (slot), Coker (Z), with rotation based on matchups.

    Quote:
    "If you’ve been a believer in Jalen Coker, this is exactly what you wanted to see." – Derek Brown [13:11]

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2. Draft Strategy & Ideal Draft Positions

[23:48 – 28:47]

• Best Slot in 12-team PPR Drafts:
  Both hosts favor late picks, particularly 9-12, for maximizing high-value talent on the turn.

  Quote:
  "Give me the turn all day...I think that’s the cheat code in drafts this year." – Derek Brown [24:26]

• Favorite Early Draft Building Blocks:

  • Names repeatedly mentioned for the turn: London, Gentry, BTJ, Nico, Puka.

  • Starting WR-RB or double WR preferred, then targeting mid-round RBs like Kamara or Kenneth Walker.

    Tip: Don't rely solely on host site ADP; use FantasyPros "real-time ADP" tool to stay ahead of market news and player moves.

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3. Player News and Rapid Value Shifts

[16:54 – 17:39 | 19:13 – 20:44]

• Joe Mixon’s Status in Houston:
  Texans’ GM is non-committal on Mixon playing in 2025. D-Bro is out on the Houston backfield, preferring investments in the Texans’ passing game (CJ Stroud, Jaden Higgins, Christian Kirk, Nico Collins).

  Quote:
  "The answer...is to invest more in CJ Stroud, and it’s to invest more in the Houston passing attack." – Derek Brown [17:47]

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4. Trade & Value Debates – Austin Ekeler, Rookies, and Aging Vets

[19:13 – 20:44 | 29:03 – 30:43 | 42:47 – 44:44]

• Austin Ekeler (Dynasty Depth):
  D-Bro and Seth see him as a throw-in, not much above a 4th round pick.

  • Role in Buffalo capped by concussions and possible goal line/catching competition (e.g., Deebo Samuel).

• Trading/packaging elite TEs:

  • Kelsey can be traded for a rookie TE (Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland) + RB depth, if RB room shallow.

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5. ADP, Role Clarity, and Young Player Rankings

[11:02 – 15:39 | throughout episode]

• Jalen Coker’s Rise:

  • Hosts debate where he fits among WR3/4 range (Cedric Tillman, Michael Pittman Jr., etc).
  • He's “wheels up” and a strong 10th round target.

• Wide Range RB/WR Takes:

  • D-Bro consistently bullish on upside—e.g., Tet McMillan (WR15 in D-Bro’s ranks), skeptical about “chasing last year’s points.”
  • Wide receiver role and volume (e.g., Bateman as BAL’s 4th option not as appealing as a starting job elsewhere).

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6. Dynasty & Keeper League Scenarios

[34:19 – 36:09]

• Stacking teammates fine if you believe in team’s offensive firepower (e.g., Jamar Chase & Chase Brown on Bengals).
• Keeper/rookie draft choices: Talent and prospect profile lead (e.g., Trey Harris over Matthew Golden for D-Bro).

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7. Rapid News/Market Reactions

[48:15 – 50:53]

• Rashee Rice Suspension Impact:

  • D-Bro drops Rice to WR28, still above ADP, due to likely strong late-season numbers after returning from suspension.

  • Xavier Worthy bumped to WR36 – D-Bro is skeptical at his price (WR24 in current ADP).

    Quote:
    “You want to spend a WR2 price on a player everyone’s going to be saying 'trade high' late in October?” – Derek Brown [49:49]

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8. Other Memorable Moments & Listener Q&A

[Throughout]

• On Christian McCaffrey vs Nico Collins

  • D-Bro is all-in: if you think CMC stays healthy, he’s an annual league-winner; “I do not see a run out where Nico Collins is the WR1 overall this year and I can easily see a run out where Christian McCaffrey can be the tops at his position.” [37:44]

• Favorite Breakout RBs:

  • Jakory “Bill” Crosby (RB28 for D-Bro, 7th round value).
    “That’s the type of touchdown equity that Bill has. Like he could score 10 TDs this year.” – Derek Brown [45:52]

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Notable Quotes & Speaker Attribution

• "I want the turn because...you could still get two of Genty, Nico, BTJ, London. Those are still fantastic starts."
  – Derek Brown [24:26]

• "If you’ve been a believer in Jalen Coker, this is exactly what you wanted to see."
  – Derek Brown [13:11]

• "You got to be tapped into real-time ADP at FantasyPros...It's legit the cheat code of dealing with all this news."
  – Derek Brown [05:01]

• "CMC is my sixth overall player...If you think he's healthy, you say thank you to the rest of the league for giving you this wonderful gift."
  – Derek Brown [36:39]

• "It's a fun story, right? It's a guy who's coming out of Holy Cross..."
  – Seth Wilcock [14:11]

• "[Rashee Rice]: I do want to stay above market on him because, bro, after he comes back after six games, he's going to be putting up borderline WR1 numbers."
  – Derek Brown [50:46]

• "Drafting Xavier Worthy reminds me of getting food court Mexican food. It could go really well. It could be explosive...but it's a bit of a risk."
  – Seth Wilcock [51:07]

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Important Timestamps

• Adam Thielen trade, Minnesota & Carolina implications: [03:32–15:22]
• Jalen Coker’s rapid ascension & Thielen’s new value: [09:17–15:22]
• Ideal draft slot & turn strategy: [23:48–28:47]
• Joe Mixon/Houston RB landscape: [16:54–18:18]
• Rashee Rice suspension and KC receiver landscape: [48:15–50:53]
• Listener Q&A on team builds, trade strategy, and rookie/keeper leagues: [19:13–44:55 & throughout]

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Flow & Tone Recap

The episode is fast-paced, friendly, and loaded with actionable player insights. Both hosts blend expert opinion with humor and transparency—freely acknowledging their own “guys,” warning about market overreactions, and continually emphasizing real-time data. Recurring themes include the importance of monitoring ADP shifts, constructing flexible draft strategies, and targeting role clarity and young player upside.

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Final Thoughts

If you’re prepping for your draft in 2025, this episode is a one-stop resource for the following:

• Navigating sudden player value changes ahead of draft weekend
• Constructing a roster with late draft slots
• Identifying sleeper wideouts/backs (Coker, Crosby, etc.)
• Timing trades with changing depth charts
• Prioritizing target roles in uncertain situations (chiefly Houston/Carolina/KC)
• Practical, confident advice to win your league as news breaks

The hosts’ candor, jokes, and back-and-forth make it engaging while packing in dense, up-to-date analysis for the fantasy football diehard.

Transcript

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[Seth Wilcock]

All right, and welcome into Fancy Pros live on twitch. It's Wednesday, August 27th, so of course we've got another fantasy football Q and A coming your way right here on Twitch tv. Fantasy pros. That's where you can follow us for all the live interactive content Monday through Friday. I'm your host today, Seth Wilcock, and I'm absolutely buzzing as we are on the brink of the biggest draft weekend I of the year. And yes, back with me is a man fresh off a court date where judge Joey actually accused him of walking into traffic while playing Pokemon Go. Someone who's not afraid to go get his guys. It's downtown Derek Brown. What's going on, D?

[Derek Brown]

Bro, Live dangerously. You don't live at all, baby. I mean, if you don't live in dangerously, I don't even know if you can even consider it living. Seth, Come on, man. Let's go, baby. It's been a while day, dude. We're going to get to it. But my hands are hurt, man. Like, my hands are hurting and my throat is already sore from all the talking and stuff. The shorts, the reels, the. The typing, the updating and notes. The top 250 and rankings have already been updated. Yeah, count for all the news, bro. We're not even like halfway through the day. And it's been a wild one, man.

[Seth Wilcock]

It's that time of year again where I think you have to start waking up even 12 hours in advance of what we were doing in the off season because everything's flying. NF news left and right, college football news left and right. We're trying to break it all down from a fantasy perspective, from a betting perspective. So it is a lot dbro, but luckily, always caffeinated. You are. So I think you'll be all right. Hang in there for the rest of it. Yep.

[Derek Brown]

I've already got one energy drink down and I. Dude, I have been loving these liquid deaths. This one tastes like orange soda.

[Seth Wilcock]

Just.

[Derek Brown]

Oh, amazing. So I'm sucking that down before I probably would get to like energy drink number three by 8pm tonight. So we'll see.

[Seth Wilcock]

All Right. Well, if. If DBRO starts to tweet out some real real weird things later tonight, it's probably his shaky hands from all the caffeine, so please excuse him. Go ahead and drop your questions below. We'll be sure to get to them. And after this program, make sure you're checking out the Fantasy Pro's YouTube channel and the podcast feeds for some very fun full length episodes. We also have some short form content over there and a ton of clips from last week's fancy vet fest. We are working in the back end these past couple days. D bro, just hammering them out because you guys, from Andy Barron's to the CBS guys, you guys had some great guests on and also great content to kind of round out. It's been a really fun offseason for us over here, dude.

[Derek Brown]

Real heroes, everybody doing everything not in front of a camera for fantasy pros, I mean that's the real heroes. Yeah, like everybody chopping up audio videos, making sure all the parts or pieces of where they need to be, man. Like, I mean fancy pros wouldn't be anything without everybody behind the scenes doing all the work too, dude.

[Seth Wilcock]

100 man, I echo that.

[Derek Brown]

Gotta look at.

[Seth Wilcock]

I want to get to this first question here from Bam Bam Branch because it kind of wraps up into something we wanted to discuss. He's saying, boys, Wednesday is upon us and let us bask in the glory that is hashtag Cokehead Day of Joy. What would you be willing to acquire for Austin Eckler as depth as a contender? Let's hold that second part of the question. Let's start with the hashtag cokeheads. The Adam Thielen News Minnesota Vikings trade for Carolina Panthers wide receiver Adam Thielen Vikings get THIELEN A conditional 2026 seventh round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick. Panthers, they're going to get back a 2026 fifth rounder and a 2027 fourth rounder. So some shaking and shifting in the draft order coming up for us in future years. But right in here and right now, DBRO looks like Adam Thielen would join the mix and give JJ McCarthy just one more safety outlet.

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, man, I mean, look, I keep saying this. I'm not worried about J.J. mcCarthy. If anything, that like this is gonna have people that are gonna pump him up a little bit in rankings and stuff like that. Still not where he needs to be as a top 12 fantasy quarterback. I said it before and I'll say it again here, but with Adam Thielen, man. Yeah, I updated all the stuff as far as my rankings and stuff.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay, let's hear it.

[Derek Brown]

With this move, I bumped Feeling up to wide receiver 56. So I've got him right behind Christian Kirk and Joshua Palmer, but he's in that mix of like the Mario Douglas, Rashid Shahid, you know, however you want to order those guys.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

Feeling the biggest takeaway, man. Like, and, and again, if you're, if you got drafts coming up this week, you need to be tapped into real time ADP at Fantasy Pros because with all of this news, because we're gonna, we're gonna get to the Rasheed Rice suspension in a second here and I'm sure we're going to talk about it, people. But like with all of this news, ADP on your host sites is not going to account for or all of them are not going to collectively update quick enough. So you need to be tapped into real time ADP at Fantasy Pros because we are. I mean, it is legit. The cheat code of dealing with all this news. Seeing the fallout, you could see the trends of like the players have been rising up the board the fastest and where guys are actually going in draft. So with Thielen, it's, it's. I think if you're trying to draft him, he makes the most sense on a team where if you've drafted Jordan Addison or Rasheed Rice, that's the team that I'm going to kind of look and earmark Thielen for one of those final two picks only because he's not going to give your like a lot of different rosters. He's not going to crack your starting lineup if everything's going right. Because the bump he's getting right now is going to be in those first three weeks with Jordan Addison out. So if you have Addison or you have Rice and you've drafted, pick up the even off waivers or if you have drafts upcoming, earmark him for one of those final two picks because he makes so much sense, like in those types of builds as a player. Like, you're not getting the bump in utility down the back half of the season where in the fantasy playoffs he's helping bring it home. But could he make the difference between your team starting out oh and three or one and two versus being three and oh, as a flex play. Absolutely, man. And I want to get your thoughts on Thielen before we turn this over to Carolina.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. So for Thielen, I. I'm super comfortable where you had him have him ranked. I was already kind of in that range and now I think I'm, you know, sorting through guys like him and Romeo Dobbs and Rashad Bateman. Those are kind of the names I have around him right now. So very happy with it. I think it gives JJ McCarthy just as I said, another outlet.

[Derek Brown]

So.

[Seth Wilcock]

So I'm, I'm very happy with kind of where he's going in drafts and I still think he's a value. I know you believe that as well. I want to know, does this affect your ranking at all of Justin Jefferson or even someone like Jordan Addison who is slated to miss the first few games of the season with his suspension?

[Derek Brown]

It didn't really move Addison. It's a good point. I mean I already had Addison at like wide receiver 41. I've got to go look and see is that. Let me look real fast. I don't know if I'm at consensus or below consensus. I want to say I'm like, right.

[Seth Wilcock]

I think you're a little below maybe.

[Derek Brown]

So he's wide receiver 42 in real time ADP. So I'm basically right with it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Derek Brown]

And that's, that's kind of where I think, I mean, it's a three game suspension, so I'm not bumping him a ton. His role in this offense because his fantasy production has been so highly correlated to touchdowns. So maybe he takes the biggest knock here. But I think, I still think he's gonna have the end zone target role in the offense and stuff. So it didn't bump him down a ton. I'm not moving Jefferson at all. Like Alphas could. Okay, Alpha's command, alpha volume. That's not anything like, if you're splitting hairs between him and CD Lamb, that probably puts like easily CD Lamb over him. But agree, he's still wide receiver 3 for me. I'm not moving him down. It doesn't matter with that. But are your ranks any different than mine before we kick this to Carolina?

[Seth Wilcock]

Nope. I have, you know, I already had Addison in the wide receiver 40 range. Right. Kind of there with some names like Debo, Samuel Cooper cup right behind Matthew golden and then Justin Jefferson for a few weeks now I made the shift to put CD above him and I don't think that this will drop JJ another tear or anything like that. So I think he's comfortable at the wide receiver three overall and, and shifting over there to Carolina, as you alluded to, Debro thought to Ms. Prime asking, Does Coker have a chance to catch 80 balls? What does this do for someone like Jalen Coker who we said earlier this off season, he's a talented player. He is blocked in a little bit. He needed an injury, a trade, something like this to happen for him to get on the field on a regular basis. Now he could be seeing a lot of slot time in wide receiver sets for the Panthers. So where, where's Coker right now for you? And also, I don't know if you could get any higher on Tedro McMillan, but does this change your ranking of, of TMAC as well?

[Derek Brown]

So it didn't move Tedro McMillan because I've consistently been one of the highest, if not the highest person in the industry on him right now. I have that wide receiver 15.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Derek Brown]

I will say though, and looking at real time ADP right now, Ted Romi Millen is a wide receiver 26 people are falsely going to bump him up in ADP. So wherever you're at on your host site. Yeah, first of all, yes, and I, and I keep saying this, but it's real. You need to bookmark real time ADP and you need to keep up with this over the next few days if you have a draft upcoming because he, his ADP is going to skyrocket because people are going to say Adam Thielen's gone. It's wheels up for Teteromi Millen and it's like, bro, he was already there. You like, like, I'm not bumping him up anymore because he was already him, he was already going to be the unquestioned wide receiver one in this offense. But I'm here to tell you, people are going to move him up because of this news, which it's not, it's a nothing burger. And how I'm projecting the offense from a Ted Romy Millen stance. But I think, like, I mean, tell me this, let's go through this real fast, Seth.

[Seth Wilcock]

Sure.

[Derek Brown]

Ted Roman mill and wide receiver 26 in real time ADP. Tell me where, where's the line? Does he hop Cordel and Sutton?

[Seth Wilcock]

He already did. Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

With the Rice news, but we already kind of knew the Rice news.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I, I, I would say in adp, I think he will, he will be ahead of, of, of him, but it's gonna be close.

[Derek Brown]

C.J. moore, does he hop him?

[Seth Wilcock]

I, I, I think so.

[Derek Brown]

Man.

[Seth Wilcock]

It's a lot of mixed signals coming out of Chicago.

[Derek Brown]

Devonta Smith, does he hop him?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, I think so.

[Derek Brown]

Okay. George Pickens, probably the line.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

Okay.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. Because Pickens has also been another one of those guys who's just been shooting up draft boards. You've Been remained pretty consistent as him as a top 20 wide receiver, but it feels like everyone's kind of playing a little bit of catch up there.

[Derek Brown]

I, I so basically what we're talking about here right now in real time ADP Ted Roman villains 59th overall. So somewhere like around the back end of the fifth round, I think that's gonna, I think that's gonna move up. So like the range where I think he's gonna start going is in the, in the high 40s. So I, I think he's gonna be a fourth round pick when board's all said and done.

[Seth Wilcock]

I think so too.

[Derek Brown]

And that's fine because if you're finding following my ranks, I've had him as a third round pick. I don't have a problem getting there. Like that's fine. So I mean tet this was a nothing burger. Jalen Coker, baby. I mean it's, it's wheels up. This is, he is going to be the clear wide receiver two in this offense. I moved him up to wide receiver 52. That's probably even, probably even a little bit low to be honest man. But in that range, it's just names that I have a hard time pumping them up above like he's in that kind of like Darnell Mooney, Debo Cooper Cup, Michael Pittman. I mean there's a definite like if you want the upside swing in that part of the draft. I think that I'm going with Jalen Coker there because the numbers that he put up last year were fantastic. He was out targeting and earning more of a target share than Xavier Leggett last year.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derek Brown]

I don't see how that changes this year. I honestly think the best three wide receiver set that Carolina can come up with is Ted at the X. I think they should move Leggette into the slot and put Jalen power slot. Yeah, as a Z. So I think you're going to get the field stretching moments, the spike weeks. I actually think probably they, they rotate Coker and Leggette depending on matchups from the slot to Z because they still seem like they're just like they're bent on seeing or evaluating Leggette as a primer as an outside receiver. So I still think Coker is going to get slot time. But dude, it's still, I mean this is what you wanted if you're an OG Cokehead. Maybe some people have called me the founder of the institution, but if, if you've been a believer in Jalen Coker, this is exactly what you wanted.

[Seth Wilcock]

To see.

[Derek Brown]

But where are you at, Seth? 80 balls?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes, I think that's very accurate. I haven't adjusted my ranks quite yet to feel where, where I will land him. Let's do a little. Would you rather hear Jalen Coker edition Cedric Tillman or Jalen Coker?

[Derek Brown]

Not even close.

[Seth Wilcock]

I'm out on Keenan Allen coker, Michael Pittman Jr. Oh, it's close, man. Is that, is that kind of the line there?

[Derek Brown]

It's kind of the line. And I mean, what we're tiptoeing around right now is wide receiver four range. So right, right where you want to draft him in that. And, and again, so wide receiver four range, just so people have an understanding where that is in my rankings. You're talking about like I have him in the 120th right now. Like I have him 120th overall. So in 12 team leagues, you're looking at like a, probably like a 10th round pick is where I'm at. Is that too aggressive, Seth?

[Seth Wilcock]

It's aggressive, but I, I think there are enough people. It's kind of a cult following type of thing that I think there will be people maybe not in every draft, but maybe every other. Every, you know, one out of three drafts that are really in on Jalen Coker. Because it's a fun story, right? It's a guy who's coming out of Holy Cross, an SES program too, man.

[Derek Brown]

It's not just the fact that it's a fun story.

[Seth Wilcock]

Well, exactly. And then like, you know, for you to not only make the team as an undrafted free agent at the wide receiver position, but then for you to insert yourself as a rookie to a point where you were getting targets, and then for the Carolina Panthers to almost kind of double down here and say we trust this guy enough to move off a veteran like Adam Thielen, who's been a staple here for the last two seasons, it shows a lot. So I think that's probably right in the range. I think I would feel comfortable ranking him as a back end wide receiver 4.

[Derek Brown]

I will say too, there is the irony is not lost on me. The fact that Thielen is getting traded back to Minnesota, a former UDFA guy who, yeah, himself defied all the expectations, has had a wonderful career and that trade opening the door to maybe somebody following this, a similar path.

[Seth Wilcock]

It is very, very cool. And shout out to Adam Thielen, who potentially has one last run here with the Minnesota Vikings. Still holding on to that Minnesota Vikings NFC north ticket that I got all the way back in February plus 490 I I am, yeah, I am very, very excited.

[Derek Brown]

MVP bets. I got Mini to win the North. I got some tickets out there for the bikes, man.

[Seth Wilcock]

Let's go. It's gonna be a fun year there for sure. Before we keep it moving and get some more questions, I did want to remind everyone that the team here at Fantasy Pros will be taking questions all week on Twitch. We we doing our annual content team Live draft on Twitch on Tuesday at 2pm Eastern time. Myself and Debra will be back on Wednesday at 2 Eastern for another Q and A and then we'll also have some More Q&A's coming your way on Thursday and Friday at 5pm Eastern time. So that's kind of what it's looking like here. As we approach the season. We'll be sure to update you what the Twitch schedule will be like throughout the season as well. But be sure give us a follow and ask questions live right here on Twitch. We want to hear from you. And I want to shout out some some first time chatters, some new followers we have joining us today. We have Zay who just followed us. What's up Zay? Thanks so much for for giving us that follow. We also have Super Kaizo Brock who just followed US and J Wired 21. Thank you so much and a bunch of first time chatters that we're gonna get to all your questions. Lonnie Ice Jazz, Jamie Gambit World, I see you all. Thank you so much here. So excited to get to that. And looks like did you see the.

[Derek Brown]

News that just dropped on the private chat?

[Seth Wilcock]

It looks like we just have a shefty bomb here that Texas general manager Nick Casario had was non committal about whether Pro bowl running back Joe Mixon will play in 2025.

[Derek Brown]

I've been saying it. He's off the board, dude. I've been saying it.

[Seth Wilcock]

This is why I get so upset though with drafting my most important leagues in late August because I've been drafting Nick. I've been way above consensus on Nick Chubb is you're not a guy who I think is going to win your league. But if you need to go out there in the early part of the season and throw out someone in your RB2, your flex, I think Nick Chubb can do that and it may be, you know, gives way to Woody Marks down the stretch as well to potentially pop up. What do you think here in this Texans backfield, it still has Damian Pierce who broke out as rookie for over a thousand yards as well.

[Derek Brown]

I Would love to tell you that I have a cemented running back take for the Houston Texans, but to be honest, man, you've kind of been out.

[Seth Wilcock]

As a whole, haven't you?

[Derek Brown]

I've been out. I. I think I. I've been there, I've been here, and I'm still here. The answer to the Texans backfield is to invest more in CJ Stroud, and it's to invest more in the Houston passing attack. I mean, really, like, let's talk about this, Seth. On the real, are you going to build a ground game you're going to lean on week after week after week after week by Nick Chubb, Woody Barks, and Damian Pierce?

[Seth Wilcock]

Probably not. But you have to run the ball right.

[Derek Brown]

There will be a guy that's going to have flex value or multiple guys, depending on the week. That's the other part about this. We know who Nick Chubb is and who he isn't. He's not a pass catcher. So there's also going to be a pass catching compliment to that. He's not going to play the exact same role that Joe Mixon played in this backfield. So you're going to see some Woody Marks. Hell, you might see some Damien Pierce because Damien Pierce was an underrated receiving option coming out of Florida, man. Like, he has receiving chops. So it comes down to who do they trust in pass protection and to be the weapon out of the backfield. Hell, you might see some DAR Weeks, dude. So, no, I don't want any part of that. This is invest in Jaden Higgins as people are like, oh, Xavier Hutchinson's running above him in preseason. Yeah. No, this is draft Jaden Higgins and draft Christian Kirk. The cheapest parts of this passing attack. You want to bump Nico up a few spots, have at it. You want to draft CJ Stroud in the later rounds and we're on the bounce back season here for it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. All right, let's get some questions here before we get some more of the news. Dbro Bam, Bam Branching asking, what would you give up to acquire Austin Eckler as a depth? As. As depth as a contender?

[Derek Brown]

Not much of anything. I mean, like, are we talking dynasty? Bam, Bam. Hit me with this.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

So we're talking dynasty.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. I'm thinking fourth rounder, if that. Like, I just don't. I think there's other death pieces I'd rather have that are a bit younger.

[Derek Brown]

It's a fourth. I mean, like, you're really hoping with Austin Eckler. They're not. He had two concussions last year. They're not going to load him up a ton of volume and stuff like that. I hate to tell everybody a pushbacks push that pushes back against the Bill hype. Bill's a goal lineback. Austin Eckler is not going to be that. We know Eckler's role in this passing attack and here's the thing with Eckler for everybody that's looking at how his season rolled out last year, you don't think that Debo Samuel is coming for those short area targets.

[Seth Wilcock]

You don't. Yeah, true.

[Derek Brown]

Have fun with that. I'm not investing in Eckler a ton, man. Like he's gonna have a role in that offense. I just think it's going to be a better role for NFL than it is for fantasy. Right then people are looking at last year's stats and what he did and it's like he's not going to be the workhorse due to two concussions last year. The team's not going to do that to him. So like, what are you hoping for? You got some Justice Hill type of usable weeks and you don't know when they're ever gonna happen. So yeah, you're like, all right, time to flex Austin Eckler and he gets two points. Are you like, whoa, I'm so happy? No, I'm just not. I'm not in it this Labor Day.

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[Colin]

Hi, it's Colin from the Colin Coward Podcast. That would make sense that I would be the host of the Colin Coward podcast. I mean, that's the way I see it. I've been around long enough to know quality when I see it. Or in this case, when I taste it. Tito's handmade vodka. Good stuff. No flash, no gimmicks. Smooth, clean tasting, made the right way.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Colin]

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[Seth Wilcock]

It was so funny because last year we did the Scott Fishbowl draft and he was someone who's actually pretty valuable in that league because he was also manning some kick returns and so I was rolling him out. Pretty happy that last year, but unless you're playing in like a kick return yards league. Yeah, I don't really want to give anything up up for Austin Eckler. Not all of us. Very true, very true. We got Jazz here asking us what do you think the best position is in a 12 team. PPR draft. I'm leaning towards nine through 11. It sounds like you agree. I do as well. D bro, that's. That's my absolute favorite. Is anywhere from nine back on that turn is. Is where I prefer to draft.

[Derek Brown]

Turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn and burn. I want the turn because you know CMC has gone up. We keep we. I've mentioned this on how like every live twitch twitch stream that we've done, like CMCs moved out of this area but there you could still get two of genty Nico BTJ London. Like those are still fantastic starts if you believe in Devon. Hm. Like you're still getting access to first round type of profiles and upside at the second round. So like give me the turn all day. I. I think that's the cheat code in drafts this year.

[Seth Wilcock]

We also have W. Collin, 17 saying, I got Trayvon Henderson and Caleb Johnson in my draft. Should I be worried about starting two rookies or just be patient? I. I also have Trey Benson and Brian Robinson Jr. On the bench. I like the patient approach here, Dbro, but I wouldn't mind if I could go out and get someone who I think could be a starter here early in the season. Whether that is someone like we discussed Nick Chubb or whether that's a Jacksonville running back. Yeah. Jerome Ford or Dylan Sampson. However you want to cut it up there in Cleveland. Like I would probably go after one of them just to wait because I don't know what Caleb Johnson's workload is going to be right off the bat. I don't mind starting Trayvon Henderson in Week one, but I'm a little bit worried. I. I think just throwing out Caleb Johnson in that Week one matchup. What about yourself?

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, I get that. Because it is still Arthur Smith. It is still Arthur Smith. We'll see some Darnell Washington rushing attempts in Week one. Like some kind of like ridiculous nonsense that leaves us all saying, why does he still call plays in the NFL?

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derek Brown]

So I, I mean you as a Steelers fan, I. I do not envy you, sir. You have to watch this mess the entire year and just hope that it gets better next year.

[Seth Wilcock]

I know, I know. I'm just. I'm just hoping that it all. It all goes to DK Metcalf.

[Derek Brown]

All the volume they fire Smith this year. Like I.

[Seth Wilcock]

That's a Steelers organization that hadn't fired a coach in a long time in the middle of the season. Yeah, yeah, right. That's the one time. But I mean that was an international incident, bro. We had you Know, soccer stadiums overseas, chanting fire Canada.

[Derek Brown]

So all I can say is I think Chris Boswell was a big part of that. So Boz, get on it, baby. Come on, Boswell, I'm believing in you. You remember that clip? Yeah, it was outside. He's like, this is not about you. What are you clapping for? I was like, dude, you're our hero. You're all of our hero. I just want to hug you.

[Seth Wilcock]

When Boss was a rookie, he would frequently stop up at the bars in my college town in iup and everyone would be, oh, boss at the bar tonight. Boss at the bar. So I got a soft spot for Chris Boswell and he's a few Jaeger.

[Derek Brown]

Bombs with Boz at the bar.

[Seth Wilcock]

I was only like 18 at that time, so I was a bit young, but I, I understand.

[Derek Brown]

So for non incriminating reasons, you're not going to mention this live. Like I understand. Yeah, I respect it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep, yep, exactly. I've incriminated myself enough on these airwaves before. You have. We got Jamie in the chat saying I'm drafting tomorrow night from the 12 spot and 12 team half point PPR league. Who would you suggest grabbing? I feel like London is a must if he's still there. So Derek, you always talk about this four or six pack of players that you have. You want to run through those names once more if there's any additions or subtractions from, from that list for our friend Jamie?

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's London. You're looking at Genty London, btj, you, you probably gonna see Puka slide that late. So like a dude, if you could start with like Puka, Nico, like if you could start with like two of those players. So Genti London, btj, Puka, like however you start, you want to get a running back and go wide receiver and go, you want to start wide receiver, wide receiver and go full low T here for baby.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, it's. It's exciting, man, that, that turn is such a fun spot.

[Derek Brown]

So nice, dude. I mean, it's just, you're like these players should not be available here, but yet they are.

[Seth Wilcock]

It's one of those things too that I have found myself more and more from the turn, drafting wide receiver, RB and getting Genty paired with a stud wide receiver and then coming back in the third and fourth and maybe a Kenneth Walker's there, maybe a Kamara's there that I grab. But then I can also grab another elite wide receiver, a tearo McMillan. I have seen Mike Evans falling in the back half of the third round right now, too.

[Derek Brown]

So I know I've been.

[Seth Wilcock]

Been scooping them up. Been scooping them up there. So, Jamie, thank you so much here for the question. We appreciate it. And another one here from Jamie as well. Jalen Coker, Rashad Bateman. Oh, that's a good one.

[Derek Brown]

Like that. That's. That's easy for me.

[Seth Wilcock]

Coker, I can't remember if it was you, if it was Celia who said on a recent show, like, you can draft Rashad Bateman if you can tell me the weeks he's gonna produce.

[Derek Brown]

Like, yeah, see, we said that, like.

[Seth Wilcock]

But that's like the truth.

[Derek Brown]

But that comes back to the point, like, where we're talking about projectable roles and volume and stuff like that. Do you want to get the. Okay, let's run down the target tree for Baltimore. It is Mark Andrews, Zay flowers, then maybe DeAndre Hopkins. Like, do you want the fourth, the third or fourth option? Maybe the fifth option on some weeks, if it's a Justice Hill week. Do you want that on your teams and to play that dice roll, or do you want the Carolina Panthers wide receiver too?

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. Yep. I'm, I'm. I'm in. In consensus lock with you there, Gambit World. I'm weaker at running back and tight end, but I have Kelsey. Would it be a good idea maybe look to move Travis Kelsey for a rookie tight end like Tyler Warren or Colson Loveland and package in some running back depth to add some depth at the position there. RB1 is Chase Brown. RB2 is Chuba Hubbard. So I don't hate your. Your RB depth that you're rolling out there, but Chuba, you know, there could be some regression coming his way. But either way, I mean, I like Tyler Warren just as much as I like Travis Kelsey this year. I think he has as much, if not more upside. So I'd be cool if you could get yourself a little RB depth there and, and, and send off someone like Kelsey for a Warren.

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, I mean, I would be looking at, like, packaging Kelsey and Hubbard and go after. If you can get craft and an upgraded running back, like, bump up higher into the RB2 tier, then I would absolutely do that.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

Depending on like. And you could do this sneaky, like, say, a team as like, Kraft and RJ Harvey. Like, a lot of people aren't in on Harvey like I am and they have Hubbard ranked above him or. You know what I mean? Like, depending on living on last year's player points. So depending on this is basically go, go, knock on the doors of I, I would look at the Tucker Craft team and I would look at the Mark Andrews team because if either one of those teams they value Travis Kelsey higher than either one of those players, you could get an RB2 upgrade over Hubbard depending on the RBs and the RB depth they have on their team as well.

[Colin]

Yep.

[Seth Wilcock]

I I like I always like tearing up. I always like tearing up no matter how I can get there.

[Derek Brown]

Two for two trades and you tear up and tear down a little bit depending on your depth and roster build. Love it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Wanted to shout out Nobi who's a first time chatter and also I am Ion Nice just subbed and followed us as well. So thank you so much for the sub. We really, really appreciate that that goes really far as we continue to help grow and build the Twitch channel right here at Fantasy Pros. I did want to remind everyone as well that this week we've partnered with Trophy Smack to bring you the ultimate symbol of fantasy football dominance. It's the ESPN Fantasy Football Championship Ring. This heavyweight solid metal ring is built to turn heads and let your entire league know the champ is here, baby. To enter, just leave a comment on any of our Twitch streams this week at Twitch tv, Fancy Pros and always. And as always, Twitch subscribers, you're going to get a time and a half odds boost at winning. Just as a thank you for your support. We really appreciate it. We appreciate our friends over there at Trophy Smack once again supporting the great work we're doing over here at fp.

[Derek Brown]

That ring, that, that, that is a reason enough to just start a league on its own merit. Just so when you win it, you can make everybody kiss the ring at next year's draft. Like that. That is a reason. Enough, dude.

[Seth Wilcock]

So funny enough, I was actually in the group chat with the boys today talking about how, hey, what are we gonna do for a new trophy? Because DBRA I, I broke the cardinal roll last year. I broke the trophy on the way to the draft. No you didn't. It fell out the back of my car as I was getting out.

[Derek Brown]

And what kind of sacrilegious nonsense is this, man?

[Seth Wilcock]

I know. Defending champion I, I, I show up with a broken trophy. Yep, it so tough scene. So we've been talking about what do we want to do? We? We. The league is called keg. So we're like, should we just get a keg and make that? We've seen like kegs turn into urinals and thought about maybe doing something like that for the trophy. Maybe that would be Something fun. But then today someone's like, hey, let's just get a trophy smack ring and you know, then we can have something new every year instead of a trophy that gets passed around once a year. So yeah, it's in consideration.

[Derek Brown]

Like, you know, we're back in high school and stuff.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, there you go. There you go. I never did the class ring. Did you have a class ring?

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, the class ring. You know what the sad part about it is? Do we have so many times I couldn't even tell you where I lost it. So.

[Seth Wilcock]

I feel you, I feel you.

[Derek Brown]

As long as I once was said so, high school was a long time ago. I lost that and my old letterman jacket.

[Seth Wilcock]

Dude, I was just, I was just gonna say I, I moved schools in my junior year of high school and someone stole my letterman jacket out of my, my locker for my old school and then I got a new one and I don't even know where that one is. So I had two letterman jackets, spent good money on them, don't have either of them to show for it. So both of them are gone? Yes, 100%.

[Derek Brown]

Two leopard jackets down and a trophy down. It's, it's, it's been a rough life, Seth.

[Seth Wilcock]

It has baby, it has. But we keep bobbing and weaving because that's what we do here at fancy pros. And let's get a question here from Novi. I have the 101 in a 12 team keeper league where I'm keeping Chase Brown for a 5th round pick and Trey McBride for a 6 round pick. Well done there with keepers. Players like Bucky Irving, Devon H. Hand, Kyron Williams, BTJ Puka Bowers, etc are off the board. So I'm wondering if I stay at 101 and take Jamar Chase who is competing for touches with Chase Brown or do I move to a later draft slot and have a higher chance of getting two high impact players around the turn? I'm worried that it will be scraps left when it gets back to the 212. Oh wow. This is, this is a convoluted question here, Debro from our friend Nobi. How do you feel about it? Do you take that instant value with Jamar Chase even though you have another Bengals player like Chase Brown? Or do you want to move back to that turn even though some players like H and Bucky BTJ Puka Bowers already off the board?

[Derek Brown]

I mean the problem is is that with anything we get keeper questions. Like we don't have the full gambit, sure. But kept and what that entire landscape looks like. Because especially when you're talking about projecting out the draft like all the way to the 212, it's. It's impossible unless we know the full landscape. So, like I would say in a vacuum, I would just take the known commodities and adjust in the draft, you know, I mean, so like, I don't have a problem having Chase Brown and Jamar Chase. Like, that doesn't matter. Like, to me, it's like you're making a bet on the offense and it really comes down to like, at the end of the day, you should be asking yourself, do I think the Cincinnati Bengals are a top five to 10 scoring offense or do I not? If the answer is not, then you don't want to invest two parts or pieces into that offense. And if you believe it, then yes, do it.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep, I'm with you there. Really, really interesting question coming in from Lonnie asking at the 107 and 12 team half PPR league, are you taking CMC or Nico? And if CMC, how would you shape your team around him? So are you still comfortable with taking Christian McCaffrey Dbro, it's been a couple days since we've chatted, so I know you've had him right kind of there around that 106 to 108 mark. Is that kind of still where you currently stand? And would you take him above someone like Nico? I would.

[Derek Brown]

I mean, I've had him above Nico the entirety of the off season. CMC is my sixth overall player and said it throughout the entire. But here's the thing, dude, it's a binary decision. If, yes, if you think he's healthy, tell me and. And Chat can weigh in on this. Is there a run out where Christian McCaffrey stays healthy and he's RB15 this year? I will emphatically say yeah, hell to the no. I don't think that that happens. So it really comes down to do you think he stays healthy or do you not think he stays healthy? If he stays healthy, he could be the RB1 overall this year. He could. He should be a top 3, 2, 5 back if he's healthy. So it's as simple as that. If he's healthy, hell yes, you're taking him there and you say thank you to the rest of the league for giving this wonderful gift. And if you don't think that he stays healthy, sure, avoid him. But I, I don't want to take Nico there because I have other players even above Nico, like I think Jaden Higgins and Christian Kirk and Jalen Null are going to steal some targets. And I'm not saying Nico is not good or he's not awesome. I'm not saying at all. But I am saying that they are going to be competition for him. And new we didn't see that last year because the other two wide receivers in that offense went kaput. So he came, he left, he got a really, really good volume and he came back and there was nobody else and he was the only show in town and that's fine. I'm not saying that he's not elite. I'm not doing the Amon Ross saying Brown yesteryear conversations or Brian Thomas Jr. Whatever. Nico's gonna be awesome. But when I like when we're splitting hairs between I do not see a run out where Nico Collins is the wide receiver one overall this year and I can easily beat see a runner where Christian McCaffrey can be the tops at his position.

[Seth Wilcock]

That's a great point and kind of building around cmc. If I'm taking any running back in, in my opinion before that turn, before, you know, the nine through 12 picks, I, I gotta go wide receiver and try to make up the difference there in the second round. Like whether it's AJ Brown getting back to you, whether it's maybe even reaching a little bit for Jackson Smith, Najigba in, in the, the mid to late second round. I like that. And then come right back in the third round. Can I get a T. Higgins? Can I get a Garrett Wilson? Can I get a Mike Evans, someone like that? Is that how you would kind of build around CMC if you did go running back at the 107 like our friend Lonnie is about to.

[Derek Brown]

Yeah, I have no problem with that. The other thing about it and, and the way that I kind of took this question was how are you building out your running back room around Christian McCaffrey?

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Derek Brown]

And so I, I don't disagree with any of the points you laid out there. The other part about that I'll say is I'm not building my running back room any differently with Christian McCaffrey than I would be with Jameer Gibbs or Ashton Jenty or anybody else. Agreed. Because here's the thing. I'm not hedging if you are drafting Christian McCaffrey, you are drafting Christian McCaffrey with the idea he is going to smash, he is going to stay healthy. And if you do not believe those things, you should not be drafting Christian McCaffrey. So I'm not going to draft him and hedge all the way down the board of. Well, if he gets hurt. Because if you believe he gets hurt, then don't freaking draft him.

[Seth Wilcock]

Pretty simple. Pretty simple. Yeah. You're making a decision. You're either in or you're out on cmc.

[Derek Brown]

Like you are right? You either gonna be all in and say he stays healthy. He smashes. And I'm right. Because you can't have it both ways. If you draft him and you're hedging all the way down the freaking board, then why the heck did you draft him? Because you don't have conviction about it and you're building a suboptimal team trying to account for a decision that you didn't feel all the way through on to begin with.

[Seth Wilcock]

W. Collins, following up on a previous question that he has he somehow got Justin Jefferson at the 109.

[Derek Brown]

Crazy man Jefferson. It is late first round.

[Seth Wilcock]

It is.

[Derek Brown]

People are insane.

[Seth Wilcock]

He also has Drake, London, Lad McConkey, wide receivers 10, Row McMillan, Matthew golden on his bench. So he's loaded there.

[Derek Brown]

Let's go.

[Seth Wilcock]

Would that be enough? With his stud wide receivers so studly that you're okay with having someone like Caleb Johnson as your RB tour? He may be trying to move someone like lad McConkey to go get a better RB2 now.

[Derek Brown]

Fine with it. Okay, now if you wanted to go from Lad and Caleb to. Because in this. Yeah, in this. In this world we're living in McCollins lad, your wide receiver three. There's a lot of guys that I think that you can. He could tear down. Like if you felt not great about Caleb. And I understand it's Arthur Smith, blah, blah, blah, blah. And don't hit me with any of the preseason noise. I don't care about that. Like Pittsburgh's offensive line couldn't freaking block a two mile an hour.

[Seth Wilcock]

They're not running Kenneth Gainwell out there.

[Derek Brown]

I can promise you that that's not going to happen. People are over their skis and drunk if they think that's going to happen the whole year. But when you look. So when you look at Caleb Johnson, I understand any hesitation. I get it. The move I would make with Lad McConkey is could you tear down Lad McConkey? Could you go from Caleb and Lad McConkey down to George Pickens and a running back upgrade? Tedro McMillan and a running back upgrade.

[Seth Wilcock]

Well, he already has Tedro McMill. But those that range where I don't.

[Derek Brown]

Oh, okay. I said I missed Ted here. So in that range. Oh, geez. Well, then Just.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Derek Brown]

For an RB then. I didn't know you had Ted. Yeah, my bad. Yeah, sorry. I apologize. Yeah. Ted is your wide receiver three. Then go trade. Either trade Lad and Caleb for a running back upgrade or down. Oh, you can from side to like if you could get Lad and Caleb and get a running back upgrade and get somebody like Ricky Pierce. All done. Oh, done.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep, yep. I. I like that a lot. A couple more questions here that we have coming in. Dynasty rookie draft Matthew golden or trade Harri? It's golden for me. Now, just the fact that I think we have to wait a little bit for Trey Harris potentially break out.

[Derek Brown]

I'm. I'm on talent and I'm on prospect profile. I'm lower on Golden.

[Seth Wilcock]

Don't think so you're still on Trey. You're still on Trey then.

[Derek Brown]

Yeah. I'm standing on business, man. I'll say it with my chest.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. All right. So a house divided here for J Wired, but either way, I think you're looking good there. Wannabe Horseman, picked from the seventh slot in my 12 team home league. Walked away with Justin Jefferson, Malik Neighbors, Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker, Ted Row McMillan, Isaiah Pacheco, Calvin Ridley, Evan Ingram, Rashid Rice. Drake made Justin Fields just absolute monsters here. Any thoughts on this team? I mean, how do you not give that like an A, A plus, man? I love that. I love that build. Except.

[Derek Brown]

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Seth Wilcock]

Well, I was gonna say Evan Ingram's not my favorite tight end target. I would rather have.

[Derek Brown]

I'll. I'll say that that was the first name that jumped out. He's scaring me more because I was the whole off season, I was kind of projected. If Denver made this move for him, they're going to run him 80 to 90% see him claim at that joker role.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah.

[Derek Brown]

And seeing him in week sees in week three of the preseason and going like 64 route per drawback rate is not what you want to see. Like that's Dalton Kincaid kind of territory that caps you. Absolutely. So yeah, if anything I would be like, could you. Could you offer Evan Ingram and Tyler Algier to the person who has Bijan depending on their attack? Yeah, like that's the first thing I would look at with this team or how I would approach it and seeing if you could upgrade off of Ingram, depending. Now they might not have, you know, a great tight end. The other thing again, go knocking on the door of. Because you just got to kick the tires. You don't know people's Thoughts or maybe you do on other players, like are they higher on Ingram than they are Kraft or Andrews or anybody in that kind of ilk. Or if you're higher on like if anybody's higher on Tyler Warren, you know, could you downgrade, downgrade from, from Ingram to Warren or something?

[Seth Wilcock]

Right.

[Derek Brown]

Like I think those are all like, like strong moves to make or just pairing Algier and Ingram and go to the Bijan team and say hey, so about your TE1.

[Seth Wilcock]

Right. This is absolutely just such a load team though because I mean you have Justin Jefferson, Malik Neighbors and then Chase Brown, K Dub, double barrel quarterbacks.

[Derek Brown]

Let's go.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, yeah. Those are two of my favorite late round quarterbacks you got there too. So well done. I can tell you've been tuned into The Fantasy Pros YouTube channel and the Twitch channel as well. All off season long Horsemen. So very well done there for you. Prediction for a Bill this season, where do you currently have Jakori Crosby, mayor, aka Little Bill here?

[Derek Brown]

So Mr. Fitz Morris and myself were fighting him on about him on fantasy draft court if you want to.

[Seth Wilcock]

I believe you won that debate, right?

[Derek Brown]

I did win that debate. Thank you sir. I, I, I, I do appreciate you puffing me up there a little bit. No, I love Patty that dude. I think it's just more sentiment about pro bill propaganda that, that it's real there and stuff. But I, I'm, I'm buying it. I have Bill currently. So Jakory Crosby Merit at RB28 right now. I have him.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay.

[Derek Brown]

I want to say like in the low 80s of overall, let me double check that I'm not, yeah, 81st overall. So like in the seventh round, back into the sixth round, if anybody wants to take him anywhere from there and everybody says, oh, it's too high, dude, where were you drafted? Brian Robinson Jr. And if this is a better version of Brian Robinson Jr. And for all the haters out there, do you realize that the Washington commanders were top five in rushing attempts inside the 10 last year? And if you take Jane Daniels rushing attempts out of that equation, if you just take him out, they were still fifth best. Fifth best. So that's the type of touchdown equity that Bill has. Like he could score 10 touchdowns this year. Is that my medium projection for him? No, but it can happen. And if that's the case, then you're looking at a guy you're drafting as an RB3 that could be an RB2 this year. So everything that just re be kind of rewind and remember everything that we thought about Brian Robinson Jr. Last year and apply that to this year for his upside case.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, it kind of reminds me like not just to be because he was a Washington commander, but almost like Antonio Gibson's rookie year too. Like a lot of steam coming out late in the process. Went underdrafted, I think by a lot of people's metrics as well, and then had just a sensational RB1 caliber rookie season. So that's what we could be looking at for Bill as well.

[Derek Brown]

Seth, we were talking about him on the fantasy pros NFL draft show way back when, bro. Yeah, like people need to tune into the receipts. This isn't new for us. We've been in these Bill streets for a minute, man.

[Seth Wilcock]

Oh, it's. It was great that I just got to check all my dynasty rosters in the past couple weeks and I was like, oh, I have Bill there. I forgot I had Bill there things.

[Derek Brown]

I have Bill there on the toilet.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, it's one of those things.

[Derek Brown]

The toilet thing for degens in fantasy is checking best ball exposures. Looking at dynasty squads, you know, how am I going to pass the time or do it Firing off a best ball draft? All of the above.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yes. 100 Colin saying. Just been listening to DBRO all off season long. Lol and wannabe horse insane Strictly. Listen to two only fancy pros. Best in the biz. We appreciate that so much.

[Derek Brown]

Appreciate the support. We wouldn't be doing this and. And you're talking on the mics right now if it wasn't for everybody out there supporting the content, man. So.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep, absolutely.

[Derek Brown]

We're very out there and in the chat.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yep. We are very blessed to. To do this. Thank you all so much for the support. Before we get out of here, I do want to get to a couple questions, but first, D. Bro, I wanted to quickly touch on the Rasheed Rice situation. Where are you at on Rice currently? I. I know this was kind of factored into your rankings previously. So have you moved Rice down a lot? Have you moved Worthy up? I know you've kind of been a little bit lower on worthy than the consensus ranking so far this off season.

[Derek Brown]

I did move Worthy up. It's not going to be high enough for people if they're following my rankings or going to get any exposure to him, to be honest. Because, I mean, right now in real time ADP, he is the wide receiver. 24. I just can't get my head around that, dude. Like, I'm. I'm sorry. Like, I just can't. Like it's. It's where I'm at, we got to take stands on certain players. I've been out on Worthy and I bumped up to wide receiver 36. So I bumped them up a lot. But it's still not going to be enough. If you're following my rankings now, if you wanted to make a consensus, you know, and that's what you're walking into with everybody here at fantasy Pros, I get it. Then it's going to bump him up the. The rankings for you. I'm just not in on him. And like, I, I see his role as he gets six games in the Rasheed Rice role, he's probably going to be on everybody's like, trade high article that comes out like, ahead of week seven. Trade him away before Rashid Rice. And it's like, is that a player you really want? You want to spend a wide receiver 2 price tag on a player that, like, when Rice comes back, everybody's going to be saying, trade him now. Trade high. Like, it's.

[Seth Wilcock]

The article makes it a little uneasy.

[Derek Brown]

Elves, man. Yeah, like, and it's. I can't get my head around that. So, like, I, I'm not bumping him up just to get the consensus when there's other players that I see a more consistent path. And for the entirety of the season, I did move Rice down just a little bit because the way that I was playing the market was I was more aggressive on Rice. I had him up at like wide receiver 24 or 25. Playing the other game of, like, if the suspension comes in less than when we all think now, I was wrong with that. I did move him down to wide receiver 28 right now. So, I mean, I've got to see, like, I'm sure that's below consensus and real time ADP. No, actually, that's above. So he's wide receiver 32 in real time ADP 76 overall. I have met wide receiver 28. So I do want to stay above market on him because, bro, after he comes back after six games, he's going to be putting up borderline wide receiver one numbers. And that's a player that, like, can be a difference maker. Like, when he hits your lineup and he's producing as a top 15 wide receiver and he's your wide receiver three. You just mowing people down.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah. Drafting Xavier Worthy kind of reminds me of getting like food court Mexican food. It could go really well. It could be explosive. But at the same time, it's a bit of a risk that you're not going to like, what kind of comes out the other end.

[Derek Brown]

I was gonna say small Chinese buffet or. Yeah, yeah, that's gas station burrito. Oh. Oh, no. Sushi.

[Seth Wilcock]

Okay. Well, I think if you're a sicko and you eat gas station sushi, you deserve whatever's coming for you.

[Derek Brown]

That is so low it fits.

[Seth Wilcock]

Rapid fire. Before we get out of here, D, bro, take a. A victory lap on your guy Thomas. Yeah, looks like Dulcich won the hair game. But. But Theo. Theo and Fadon, just a much better tight end, so. Yeah, good for. For Fadon. Glad he hung on.

[Derek Brown]

Is a galloping gazelle, bro. Like, if he gets into the lineup, he's gonna be good, man. He was. He was underrated as a prospect. It was a lot of the injury history that really hurt him. I think double ACLs that he's back from. But dude is. I mean he's athletic as. I'll get out, man. And I tweeted this out the other day if one. Because the Giants keep swinging on this archetype of tight end. Super stupid athletic and monstrously huge. They did it with Daniel Bellinger. They did. They signed Greg Dulcich, they did it with drafting Theo Johnson and they did it with Thomas Fedone. Like one of these guys gonna hit and open up a different part of this offense that we have not seen yet. Maybe that's Theo Johnson, maybe it's Thomas. I don't know, man. I want to bet on Thomas the train here.

[Seth Wilcock]

What do you guys think about Saquon Barkley for CD Lamb and Trey Benson? I do have Lamb ranked higher, so I would like the Lamb side.

[Derek Brown]

I like the Lamb side, but give me somebody else besides Benson. Unless you have Connor. Like.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, and for me too.

[Derek Brown]

But I mean it just like I would straight up. I would rather Lamb over Saquon though.

[Seth Wilcock]

I. I agree. I think it depends how you built your team here because if you went. If you went Saquon early, you might not have other good running backs. But if you have the capital, I think. I think it's okay. Bandit. I took McBride middle the second round in a 12 team PPR Tatum Premium League too early. No, I think that's fine. D, bro, I think Trey McBride in the second round for tight end premium leagues.

[Derek Brown]

I mean, dude, that's where he's going in a lot of non tight end premium leagues. That's fine. I mean, yeah, to be honest, in most tight end premium formats you might see one of these elite guys, whoever the tight end won in the rankings go in the first round. So to get McBride in the second. Totally fine.

[Seth Wilcock]

Cool. Dilly. Also who had some praise for us earlier. What's up Dilly? Thanks so much for hanging out with us. Picking 9th out of 10 and keeping Malik neighbors for my 6 round pick. Should I double tap wide receiver at 911 or why fall out of good enough running backs if you already have neighbors. I would really prefer that you went with a running back and a wide receiver there. Get another elite guy.

[Derek Brown]

Go ahead, say it. Sorry.

[Seth Wilcock]

No, no, no. I mean like grab a btj, grab a Nico Collins, grab someone in that end and then you know, again Ash and Genty CMC Derek Henry are one of those guys around. I just think there's no point in a 10 team league, especially going that long without a running back.

[Derek Brown]

No, I agree. And the other thing about it is with the keeper format, again, like we don't know what the climate looks like for the keepers and stuff. You know, I mean so yeah, you don't know what running back looks like. So you're not going to be caught with your pants down if you go with a more balanced.

[Seth Wilcock]

Yeah, not going to be caught in the in the bathroom of a gas station after eating one of their burritos and having a rough go. There you go. Even worse. All right guys, well that's gonna do it for us on this fans. Football Q A live on Twitch. Thanks so much for hanging out with us today. Tomorrow at 5pm Back here on Twitch TV, FantasyPros Joe and Erickson will be rocking with you for Q A and then on Friday come hang out with Erickson and myself. We'll be holding it down for a happy hour edition Q A taking you right into the biggest draft weekend of the year. If you want to support us, please hit that subscribe subscribe button. Every sub helps us bring you more content right here on Twitch throughout the rest of the year. For Derek Brown, I'm Seth Wilcock. Take care. Have a great day, y'.

[Derek Brown]

All.

[Seth Wilcock]

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[Derek Brown]

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[Derek Brown]

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