Should You Buy Low on Brian Thomas Jr.? | Week 3 Buy Low + Sell High Wide ReceiverTargets (Ep. 1713)

Summary

FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast: Week 3 Buy Low + Sell High Wide Receiver Targets

Episode Title: Should You Buy Low on Brian Thomas Jr.?
Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Ryan Wormley
Guest Analyst: Andrew Erickson
Main Theme:
A deep dive into wide receiver trade targets for Week 3, focusing on “buy low” and “sell high” candidates, with discussion on a few quarterbacks and tight ends. The episode aims to give fantasy managers actionable advice on leveraging player value swings early in the NFL season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Top Buy-Low Wide Receiver: Brian Thomas Jr.

• Erickson’s Case (01:51):

  • Despite underwhelming production so far (19 targets, 5 catches, 60 yards, 1 rushing TD in 2 games), Thomas’ opportunity profile is elite.
  • He is "the alpha in this offense in terms of target share.”
  • Usage metrics and peripheral stats indicate a “blow-up” week is coming soon.
  • The wrist injury isn’t seen as a major concern.
  • “If you're 0-2, you need to make an upside swing. I think Brian Thomas Jr. is the guy to target.” (07:48, Andrew Erickson)

• Ryan’s Follow-Up (03:34):

  • Asks about rest-of-season ranking: would Erickson still draft Thomas as a late first/early second round pick?
  • Erickson would still pick him near his original tier, slightly behind Nico Collins, Drake London, and Puka Nacua.

• Cautious Note (04:31):

  • Week 3 vs Houston may be tough if he draws Derek Stingley Jr., but “I think that Brian Thomas Jr. is going to be up for the challenge.” (04:31, Andrew Erickson)

• Brian Thomas Jr. vs. JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba) Debate (04:59):

  • Both are high-usage, disappointing in touchdowns.
  • “Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush,” with JSN being the safer play, but Thomas has the higher ceiling.

2. Wide Receiver to Buy: Keon Coleman (Buffalo Bills)

• Erickson’s Case (08:24):

  • Disappointing Week 2 chalked up to blowout game script and tough coverage by Sauce Gardner. Production was all in the first half.
  • Massive “breakout” potential remains, especially with a weak Dolphins defense upcoming: “This defense cannot stop anything. We could go out there and score points against the Miami Dolphins defense.” (09:32, Andrew Erickson)
  • Red zone role is intact, and context matters: Week 1 production came during a furious comeback versus a worn-out secondary.

• Ranking This Week (11:34):

  • Coleman projected as top Bills WR for Week 3; will rank as “a top 36 guy for sure.”

3. Wide Receivers to Sell

a) Tee Higgins (Cincinnati Bengals)

• Erickson’s Case (11:59):

  • Massive downgrade with Joe Burrow out; Jake Browning as QB lowers ceiling.
  • History: With Browning in 2023, only one strong fantasy game with Chase in the lineup.
  • “This is an extremely boom-or-bust type of player,” and “I'm just trying, trying to see what I can get for him.”
  • Losing “if Chase goes down, Higgins is a top 5 WR” upside with Browning under center.

• Trade Comparisons (14:54):

  • Would rather have Tyreek Hill; open to trading Higgins for other top-20 WRs.

b) Deebo Samuel (Washington Commanders)

• Erickson’s Case (16:14):
  • QB Jayden Daniels banged up, risk of Marcus Mariota taking over, limiting the offense.
  • Samuel predictably starts strong, but fades mid-season, has benefited from Terry McLaurin’s holdout/slow start.
  • “He just smells and looks like a prime sell high because he's a player that traditionally always starts out the season very, very good, but then falls off.” (16:21, Andrew Erickson)

4. Quick Hit Buy/Sell: Quarterbacks & Tight Ends

Buy: Juwan Johnson (TE, Saints)

• Erickson:
  • Usage, “big slot” role and double-digit targets make him a priority TE add/trade (19:37). Near 100% snap rate bodes well.
  • “When you're seeing double digit targets every single week from Spencer Rattler and you play tight end, then you’re going to be fantasy relevant.” (19:47, Andrew Erickson)
  • Monitor for a QB change (Tyler Shough) which could reduce his value (21:24).

Sell: Mark Andrews (TE, Ravens)

• Erickson:
  • “It’s been two weeks of Mark Andrews...and has been two weeks of nothing, nothing from Mark Andrews.” (22:13)
  • Even in huge offensive outputs for the Ravens, Andrews is not being featured.
  • Red zone volume is inconsistent, and Isaiah Likely’s inevitable return could further suppress Andrews.
  • Ryan Wormley adds: “The fact that this has all happened without Isaiah Likely is the biggest screaming red flag.” (24:06)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Brian Thomas Jr.’s Buy-Low Appeal (04:21):
  “Low wide receiver, like it is literally Brian Thomas Jr. That it's like looking you back in the face of has all the usage and no production to follow. What does this mean? Well, he's going to produce in week three.” – Andrew Erickson

• On Keon Coleman’s Week 3 Outlook (09:37):
  “I would get opening at slimy Dolphins defense like that's how bad they are.” – Andrew Erickson

• On Mark Andrews’ Disappointing Start (22:13):
  “It's been two weeks of Mark Andrews...and has been two weeks of nothing, nothing from Mark Andrews.” – Andrew Erickson

• On Juwan Johnson’s Usage (19:47):
  “When you're seeing double digit targets every single week from Spencer Rattler and you play tight end, then you’re going to be fantasy relevant.” – Andrew Erickson

• Bird in the Hand Metaphor (06:43): “Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think it’s something like that.” – Ryan Wormley

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Rapid-Fire: Buy, Sell, Hold Segments (from 30:03 onward)

Wide Receiver Trios

Trio 1: Marvin Harrison Jr., Courtland Sutton, Terry McLaurin (30:22)

• Buy: Marvin Harrison Jr. ("upside case... as a Year 2 receiver taking that next step")
• Hold: Courtland Sutton ("last week was really weird... not concerned")
• Sell: Terry McLaurin ("never really wanted to draft him... vibes just not great")

Trio 2: George Pickens, DK Metcalf, Zay Flowers (32:46)

• Buy: George Pickens ("another buy even after he had a big game")
• Hold: Zay Flowers ("looks unstoppable... but touchdowns will cap his ceiling")
• Sell: DK Metcalf (good start with Rodgers, but “kind of just feel like he was overvalued”)

Key Zay Flowers Discussion (35:20):

• Ryan: “Week two is basically what I expected for a lot of the season, which is about seven catches, something in the 70 yard range, but no touchdown... I just don't see how the touchdown stuff's going to change... I would probably look to sell him, honestly.”

Quarterbacks: Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, Cam Ward (38:12)

• Buy: Daniel Jones (“in a situation that’s not terrible for the first time in a while...”)
• Hold: Bryce Young (“still is doing some of the stuff that has your hair pulling out, but he’s also scoring fantasy points at the same time”)
• Sell: Cam Ward (“don’t trust him with Callahan calling shots...”)

Tight Ends: Harold Fannin Jr., Juwan Johnson, Dalton Kincaid (39:30)

• Buy: Harold Fannin Jr. (“team, everyone’s obsessed with Harold Fannin”)
• Hold: Juwan Johnson (usage and target monster, but dependent on QB)
• Sell: Dalton Kincaid (“Not convinced he’s very good…also have the Dawson Knox thing where [Kincaid] is not an every down player”)

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Additional Notable Insights

• On Selling Mark Andrews (26:59):

  • Both hosts emphasized that Andrews’ red zone usage isn’t compensating for his lack of catches/yards.
  • With Likely due back, trade him at first opportunity (ideally after a TD game).

• On Trading Higgins (13:58):

  • "What’s the upside with him now?...he doesn’t have that same upside where, well, if Chase goes down, Higgins could be a top 5 wide receiver. That’s no longer the case without Joe Burrow." – Andrew Erickson

• On Buying Upside Early (07:48):

  • Erickson suggests specifically targeting ceiling players like Thomas Jr. if your team starts 0-2: you need “an upside swing.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:51] Top Buy-Low WR: Brian Thomas Jr.
• [04:59] Thomas Jr. vs JSN Debate
• [08:24] Buy: Keon Coleman
• [11:59] Sell: Tee Higgins
• [16:14] Sell: Deebo Samuel
• [19:28] TE/ QB Buy: Juwan Johnson
• [22:13] TE Sell: Mark Andrews
• [30:03] Buy/Sell/Hold Rapid Fire: WRs, QBs, TEs

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Summary Takeaways

• Buy low on Brian Thomas Jr.: Opportunity is far better than results, and savvy managers can exploit panicking owners.
• Keon Coleman: Week 2 is a blip; great matchup ahead makes him a prime buy.
• Tee Higgins and Deebo Samuel: Both should be actively shopped due to quarterback downgrades and unsustainable early production.
• Juwan Johnson: Usage makes him a viable TE1, but keep a quick trigger finger if Saints’ QB situation changes.
• Mark Andrews: The red zone role isn’t enough to offset worry about his involvement; look to exit if possible.
• Watch player usage trends and trade accordingly, leveraging the FantasyPros Trade Analyzer for value checks.
• Final advice: Take swings early, especially if your season is off to a slow start, but always monitor role safety (targets/snaps > box score).

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Transcript

[Ryan Wormley]

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[Ryan Wormley]

Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Gross Football Podcast. I'm Ryan Wormley, joined as I am every Tuesday morning by Andrew Erickson. We are talking trade show. We did part one already, the running back segment, so I encourage everybody to go check that out either on YouTube or on audio. Wherever you're getting your podcast. We did some macro level strategy talk, we reacted to the Monday night doubleheader and we dove deep on the running backs. This episode is going to be diving deep on the receivers that we are buying and selling and then also a little bit of discussion on the quarterbacks and tight ends as well. Erickson, before we dive in, I do want to let everybody know that if they want a chance to win one of the most unique pieces of NFL fan gear out there, the large NFL PA Wall Smack, courtesy of our good friends at Trophy Smack, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware, that then this is your shot. Their oversized, officially licensed NFLPA Wall Smack are bold statement pieces that are perfect for your fan cave office or living room wall. It's not just decor, it's a way to rep your favorite players in style. To enter, all you need to do is subscribe to The Fantasy Pros YouTube channel right now and drop a comment below on any of our videos. That is it. We will be announcing a winner right here on the channel, so make sure to turn on notifications so you don't miss your chance to claim this epic prize. All right Erickson, who is your number one wide receiver to buy?

[Andrew Erickson]

Not just my number one wide receiver to buy, but probably my number one buy low player regardless of position. And that is the one, the only Mr. Brian Thomas Jr. For the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think that this is just the quintessential buy low spot for a player that we know is super talented and all of the usage has been there for him. Just the production has not followed. So he has 19 targets through two games. He has five catches for 60 yards. Now he does have a rushing touchdown.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

As well, but clearly the receiving has been very underwhelming.

[Andrew Erickson]

But I haven't seen anything from this offense where it suggests to me that okay, this isn't going to turn around anytime soon. Trevor Lawrence, I think, has looked relatively good in terms of producing for fantasy. Now he has had a bit of a turnover issue at least, especially last week against the Bengals, but he's airing the ball out. They're not afraid to throw the ball. And, and I like that he's going to get more situated, more comfortable in Liam Cohen's offense. I think that's going to also be accompanied by a Brian Thomas Jr. Kind of renaissance. And so I think that he's going to fix things. If you just look at the usage, he's seventh in terms of expected fantasy points per game through two weeks. I know last week was brutal. He had that drop on fourth down. Trevor Lawrence missed him in the end zone. But again, if those balls are moved just a little bit, he catches that fourth down then not freaking out as much. And I think to add legit insult to injury, well, you have the wrist injury that had popped up with Brian Thomas Jr. I don't think it's a big deal. It seems like it's not like the biggest thing in the world. This isn't like a knee injury that we're dealing with. So I think that he's going to be fine and I think right now he is by far the. This is just a great opportunity to buy low on a super talented player that, you know, we were taking at the round one, round two turn and I think people are starting to panic.

[Ryan Wormley]

If you were redrafting today, would you still take him like at the end of round one, early round two, or would you like maybe have moved up some other receivers ahead of him or, or running backs or tight ends or whoever?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, it's possible maybe some more running backs would move ahead of him, but I don't think that I would move him so drastically in the wide receiver hierarchy or rankings where I had him. I know that like I still had guys like Nico ahead of him and Drake London ahead of him. I don't know if that would change that. Puka again, still ahead in front of Brian Thomas Jr. But yeah, I'm just not worried about what he's done so far. He's still the alpha in this offense in terms of target share and I just think that the usage just suggests, hey, this is going to turn around for him. Like he is the. When you're just looking up like all the, all the peripherals of a buy.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Low wide receiver, like it is literally Brian Thomas Jr. That it's like looking you back in the face of has all the usage and no production to follow. What does this mean? Well, he's going to produce in week three.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, actually maybe not week three because he's placing the Houston Texans. So he might get the, the Derek Stingley treatment. But you know, through two weeks, you know, Derek Stanley has, I would say, looked human at times. He's gone up against Devonte Adams in Week one, Mike Evans in Week two. And look, Mike Evans had some opportunities to catch touchdowns and make plays against Derek Stingley. So I think that Brian Thomas Jr. Is going to be up for the challenge to take on a former LSU guy, Derek Stingley. So yes, Brian Thomas for me is the, is the number one buy Brian.

[Ryan Wormley]

Thomas Jr. Or Jackson Smith and Jigba rest of season. Because you talk about the usage like nobody's getting better usage than jsn. He doesn't have a touchdown yet this season, but you know, 13 targets 9 catches, 124 yards, then 10 targets 8 catches, 103 yards. He has moved ahead of Thomas in the consensus rest of season rankings just by one spot. It's JSN at wide receiver 9 and Thomas at wide receiver 10. That is a really interesting one to me. I think I would probably, I think that you probably should have JSN ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. But I don't know if I would like. I think I would like. The correct answer is probably to do that because the usage is already there. Imagine once he starts catching touchdowns. But the upside of Brian Thomas senior is maybe too tantalizing for me.

[Andrew Erickson]

That's a good, that's a good player that you brought up because I think that I also have JSN1 spot ahead. So that's someone that I would talk again when you were talking about re drafting or re ranking these players for draft season, I think that I would probably put JSN ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. Because it's still in the back of my mind that, you know, it was Mac Jones that did kind of unlock Brian Thomas Jr. Down the strips last year and that's not the quarterback anymore, it's Trevor Lawrence. So it is possible they just don't have that same connection. Whereas we're two weeks in with this new offense with Sam Darnold and it has been the JSN show and then.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

There'S like this other guys running routes.

[Andrew Erickson]

That get targets in the Seahawks offense.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

But when they throw the ball and it's going to JSN every time and.

[Andrew Erickson]

He'S looked absolutely fantastic. So I, I think that JSN is probably still the safe bet because again, I think the wrist Injury is not a big thing, but if it ends up being a thing and it, you know, derails his season, okay, then this is. Was the riskier move to make. Whereas jsn, it's like, what's the thing that you talk about with the burden hand versus the what. What is that one thing called a.

[Ryan Wormley]

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush? I think it's something like that.

[Andrew Erickson]

It basically is that even.

[Ryan Wormley]

Basically the idea is like, you know, you already have this, so don't risk it for, like, don't get greedy and try and get more. I think I actually could be botching that. So I. I don't say that with any degree of confidence. I'm gonna look it up while you keep talking, but, oh, yeah, I kind of had it right. Yeah. Bur in the bush, it's better to be content with what you have than to risk losing everything by seeking more. I should have had confidence in myself. I. I knew I knew it.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

All right. So that's kind of how I feel about the J.S. edward Brian Thomas Jr. Situation.

[Ryan Wormley]

Anything on, like, on, like, some of the vibes just around Thomas Jr. I mean, you mentioned like, like, maybe some of the injury stuff with the wrist. Like, there were some of those comments from, like, Liam Cohen after the game, you know, about him, you know, like, not, you know, going after catching the balls, like over the middle and stuff like that. Now, there was also a lot of conversation online about, like, Trevor Lawrence does throw kind of a lot of hospital balls and like, you can kind of be understanding of why receiver might respond in that way. But any of that conversation worry you at all with Thomas?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think it does worry me a little bit, but it also worries people that have him on their roster, which is why you could buy him like you should. Can't buy players like this. You can't get them in trades because there's nobody wants to trade them away. But I think that the upside he can deliver because of how talented a player is. He is worth the risk. In most situations where you feel like you need an upgrade at your receiver spot. I think it's worth chasing the ceiling with Brian Thomas Jr. Especially if you're 02, right. If you're sitting in a hole, you need to make an upside swing. I think Brian Thomas Jr. Is the guy to target.

[Ryan Wormley]

Let's go to your next wide receiver to buy. Who do you have for us?

[Andrew Erickson]

Keon Coleman, wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills. He is coming off a down game in Week 2. Just three catches for 26 yards on three targets. However, you want to add the context in this was a blowout win for the Buffalo Bills where the jets had to put in Tyrod Taylor in the second half. It was really no contest. And to point out Coleman, he actually had all of his production in the first half so wasn't really expected to do a lot in the second half because the game was in hand. He actually had a fourth target in this game that was raced because of an offensive pass interference call and it was a brutal matchup like he was going head to head against Sauce Gardner who has been playing well through two weeks of the season. So again, similar to what I talked about with one of our running back buys, I'm not just going to forget what I saw in week one, which.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Was a Keon Coleman full fledged breakout.

[Andrew Erickson]

As the wide receiver one in this Bills offense and then just completely forget about in week two after he has a dud, which I think was kind of predictable just based on the matchup against the New York jets in week three. They're playing the Miami Dolphins and this defense, where am I telling you? Watch the whole Patriots Dolphins game. This defense cannot stop anything. We could go out there and score points against the Miami Dolphins defense because they cannot stop.

[Ryan Wormley]

Don't make me post the video of you running routes again. You could not score on the Dolphins, dude.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

I would get opening at slimy Dolphins defense like that's how bad they are.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I think that Keon Coleman's gonna have a massive bounce back and I think that something I didn't think about either. With Dalton Kincaid healthy, I think that he's starting to eat into the production from Khalil Shakira, which is why we haven't seen that much from Shakir at least last week and even in week one. So I think the Keon Coleman breakout is for real and I think we're going to continue to see it in week three even after it took it stalled out a little bit last week.

[Ryan Wormley]

Miami point is a, is a huge one. I, I was going to bring it up if you didn't like obviously this is like the, the cream of the crop type of matchup you could find. I, I would just say like you, you point out that we should remember the context for week two of it being a blowout. We should remember the context of week one being that they were getting blown out and had to throw a ton in the second half and in the fourth quarter to have that miracle comeback against what was a clearly gassed secondary against a Jair Alexander who hasn't practiced all off season and his touchdown came on a very fluky tipped ball that was intended for somebody else and he just happened to be in the right spot to catch it. So like he did look good. Obviously it was a step up over what we saw his rookie season. So I don't want to take away that entirely, but the truth is somewhere in the middle, right? Like if we're going to remember the context of week two, we should remember the context was perfect for him in the other direction in week one.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I guess for me it's about who do you want to buy on the Bills? Who's attainable to get attached to Josh Allen and when I'm looking up and down what I've seen through two weeks, that guy's Keon Coleman to me because I think that he has the highest ceiling. Now to your point about, well, if he doesn't catch that tip ball in the end zone, does he catch touchdown? Maybe not, but he's getting red zone targets. Like that's what I'm feeling about Keon Coleman. That's what we saw last year too before he got injured with again another wrist injury which derailed his season. So hoping that doesn't happen to Brian Thomas Jr.

[Ryan Wormley]

Here.

[Andrew Erickson]

So and the Miami Dolphins matchup. Yeah, it's a great matchup for him.

[Ryan Wormley]

Where are you going to rank him this week?

[Andrew Erickson]

Produce? I'll bring the top top 36 guy for sure. I think he's going to be my highest ranked Bills receiver by far.

[Ryan Wormley]

Well, Keon comment Coleman and Brian Thomas Jr. Both seem like strong buys. You can use the trade [e-mail] myplay or in the Fantasy Pros app to instantly evaluate how any trade will affect your team for this week, the rest of the season or even in dynasty. Let's get to the wide receivers to sell Erickson, who is your number one guy here?

[Andrew Erickson]

Going with T. Higgins, wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals goes without saying. It's obviously a downgrade going from Joe Burrow to Jake Browning and I think that this is going to hurt T. Higgins probably the most. I would probably be more concerned about Higgins even than a guy like Chase Brown where I think you can make the volume argument where Brown could be okay. I think that Higgins is much more dangerous to keep on your roster without the long touchdown in week two, which I was very happy about because I had anytime touchdown bet Fritchie Higgins on the betting pro show and that one ended up cashing for me.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

But if he doesn't Catch that pass or score, he would have bombed last week. He would have done absolutely nothing.

[Andrew Erickson]

He went one for five on his targets from Jake Browning. And when you look at the game logs from 2023 in the six starts, excuse me, the five games that he played with Jake Browning at the end of the 2023 season, Higgins averaged just under 12 points per game, which you say, hey, that's pretty good. He had two games with 20 plus points, but Jamar Chase missed one of those games. So realistically, he had one good game with Jake Browning and Jamar Chase in the lineup. His other three games, he scored fewer than 8.5 fantasy points. So I think that this is a extremely Boomer bust type of player. Through two games, T. Higgins is wide receiver, 49 in expected fantasy points per game. That's with Joe Burrow playing a game and a half. So I am trying to move on from T. Higgins. I think that this is a situation where I think you can sell low on Higgins because what's the upside with him now? Well, he's not going to be. He doesn't have that same upside where, well, if Chase goes down, Higgins could be a top five wide receiver. That's no longer the case without Joe Burrow. And historically speaking, Higgins has never been someone that's even finished as a top 12 wide receiver. He's always been top 15 in terms of points per game. His touchdowns last year really kind of thrusted up his production attached to Joe Burrow. And that's not gonna be the case with Jake Browning as his quarterback. So I am trying to get Higgins off my roster, trying to sell high, quote unquote, after he caught a touchdown last week. But I'm just trying, trying to see what I can get for him.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, I mean, Higgins isn't somebody I have a lot of because I just, I. I've been burned by some of the injury stuff before. He is the number two in his offense. Like, I know. I think Fitz, you know, Pat Fitz, Morris, our colleague, was like, really high on. Like, there is Lee winning upside here. And I just was. There were players in that range that I liked better. So I don't actually have a lot of, you know, Higgins to trade away. You know, I'm looking. I wanted to throw some names at you, like, would you rather have Higgins or this guy? And a lot of them feel kind of obvious. There's a few I want to save for our Buy, sell or hold segment later in the show. And the guys that are ranked above the ones I want to save for that are like Tedro and McMillan. Like, I think that's an easy one, right? Like, you know, devonte Adams, Garrett Wilson. I would imagine you would agree you'd rather have than T. Higgins. So it feels kind of easy. The name that I'll throw out there is another veteran. Would you rather have T. Higgins or Tyreek Hill rest of season? They're two spots apart in ecr.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, that was interesting. I thought you were going to also say Jaylen Waddle too. I think for me, Waddle's ranked a.

[Ryan Wormley]

Lot lower in the consensus rankings for some reason, so that's why I didn't pick him. But I think it would be a valid question.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Not my rankings. Shockingly, no. 1. I think I would.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I don't say this easily because I have not been high on Tyreek Hill at all. But if you're trying to play the upside, rolling the dice, I mean, if Tyreek Hill gets traded to the Chiefs, right. Do you like his outlook more than T. Higgins with the Bengals Rest of season with j. With Jake Browning, I think you probably just take the Tyreek Hill side of things now. It's still no guarantee he gets traded the Chiefs. I think that you're really trying to think ahead, but I don't think there's a non zero chance that that happens. So I think I would rather have Hill just off the off chance that something like that does happen. He gets traded to a contender where we feel better about a situation. Whereas T. Higgins situation is not changing. He's the number two receiver attached to Jake Browning, which may not be that great. So I would rather have Hill and I would probably rather have.

[Ryan Wormley]

For whatever it's worth on Browning, like Higgins, his 40 yard touchdown was from Browning. So just whatever that's worth.

[Andrew Erickson]

And then the other four, the other ones, the other four targets were not.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

We're not in the stratosphere of him catching.

[Ryan Wormley]

All right, give me your other wide receiver to sell. Another receiver that I basically roster nowhere.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Debo Samuel.

[Andrew Erickson]

He. I talked about him last week and he almost had a dud. He.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

It looked like he was trending towards.

[Andrew Erickson]

Having a dud on Thursday night, but he did end up scoring the touchdown in the fourth quarter, which did kind of salvage his final stat line. Now he still had seven catches on eight targets for 44 yards. He's another receiver that's dealing with a quarterback injury now. Jay Daniels dealing with a knee sprain, I believe it was reported. We'll see how long, if he even misses any games. It's possible he still plays in week three. But this is just lingering in the back of my mind that, okay, Daniels is banged up now, if he gets hit again, takes a weird tackle, could he miss more time down the line? And that's where I get really concerned about this commander's offense if Marcus Mariota has to take over. So Deebo has started out the season great and this is kind of what I expected just based on Terry McLaurin coming into the season after a training camp holdout. McLaurin has predictably started really slow and Deebo has taken advantage of that. But Even in week two, McLaren was the target share leader. It looked like he was getting back to what we saw from him last year, commanding more targets, catching more passes. And Debo Samuel, right now, it just, he just smells and looks like a prime sell high because he's a player that traditionally always starts out the season very, very good, but then falls off, especially as a player that's been banged up throughout his career. Right now he's top five and fantasy points scored above expectations. So again, looking for players that kind of check off the boxes of, okay, this is a player that's production's probably not sustainable. That's Deebo Samuel for me.

[Ryan Wormley]

I apologize. I got distracted by a message on slack. So if you said this already, I'm sorry, I didn't. I don't think you said it. The packers might be the best defense in football also. So like when you look at like okay, he, if he had a down game, I know he had the touchdown. But like a relatively down game besides that, I don't want to hold that against a lot of players going up against Green Bay like this. It. This looks like I was expecting a bit of a comedown from the Washington offense anyway this year. So maybe I shouldn't even be giving as much credit to the packers as I am because I was expecting some regression from the offense they were facing. But I have a feeling with Micah Parsons in town and the way the rest of the defense is playing, that a lot of players are going to have really bad weeks against Green Bay.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I think that's definitely something to consider. And it was one of the reasons, you know, the Lions offense really bounced back after they faced the packers in Week one. But I think in the long term now, Debo could bounce back in week three against the, I believe they're playing the Raiders, so he could still have a good game. But I just think long term, when we're talking week nine, week ten, I don't know how much of A factor Debo Samo is going to be at that point if McLaren is back to his regular self with Jaden Daniels, if he's healthy or not. I just think there's a lot of long term question marks I have about Debo Samuel sustaining his production.

[Ryan Wormley]

Let's do some quarterbacks and tight ends. We're going to kind of group these positions together most weeks, so we might not always hit odd one or the other. We'll do one buy and one sell of kind of the group of them together. Just again, because quarterbacks like unless you're in a super flex, it's a little different trading them. And same with tight ends, honestly, unless you're in a tight end premium, like it's pretty much just like what are your tight end rankings here? There's not a lot of tight end for other trades outside of very, you know, specific scenarios. So we'll kind of, we'll kind of group these together. Give me your buy out of this position group.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm looking at tight end. I'm buying Juwan Johnson between two weeks of Juwan Johnson, big slot season in New Orleans and it's been fantastic.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

The guy has been absolutely peppered with targets.

[Andrew Erickson]

He had 10 targets last week. He has not been super efficient, which I will admit, as Pat Fitzmorris likes to tell me, Juwan Johnson's still probably not that good at football, which I.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Don'T necessarily disagree with. But when you're seeing double digit targets every single week from Spencer Rattler and.

[Andrew Erickson]

You play tight end, then you're going.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

To be fantasy relevant.

[Andrew Erickson]

So that's the difference between Juwan Johnson, some of these Saints receivers where you're, you look at Olave's targets and then his final box score and you're kind.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Of disappointed because the guy's double digit.

[Andrew Erickson]

Targets every single week, but then he does 5 for 60 or 5 for 50 and that's disappointing from a wide receiver standpoint. But a tight end, this is a.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Gold mine we have in New Orleans with Juwan Johnson.

[Andrew Erickson]

So I think that he is emerging as a usable starter. He leads all tight ends in expected fantasy points per game this season. And it's because of the every down role he plays in New Orleans offense. 96 snap rate in Week 2 half the battle with fantasy tight ends is are you just playing enough, Are you on the field enough to generate fantasy points? And Juwan Johnson is checking off all those boxes. So I don't think that this is like fake because I think that his role is pretty intact and the Spencer Rattler offense with Kellen Moore, they run a lot of plays, they run fast, they run up tempo and you're just going to continue to see volume. So that's why I like Juwan Johnson. As again, if he's still on your waivers, I think that he's a great pickup if you need tight end help. And I think that you could probably just trade a backup receiver or someone, a backup running back to get him if someone else already has him on the roster because these waiver wire guys tend to not be highly valued by managers that pick them up. So Dwayne Johnson for me would be a tight end I would be looking to add or, you know, do you.

[Ryan Wormley]

Think Spencer Rattler will be the starter all season? And if that changes, would you be, you know, worried about having invested and traded for Jaun Johnson?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I think that's definitely something to keep in mind to not go crazy trying to get Dwan Johnson, who again I did preface it with saying he may not be that good, which is something that you always want to be wary of when you're trying to buy a player. But just based on the usage that he is deploying out here, he's a very serviceable tight end. That with Spencer Rattler I think you can have confidence in. To your point, if Tyler Schuck does end up playing, I think that does hurt Joanne Johnson. So I think there might be a situation where if Juan Johnson continues to see double digit targets every single week, but still kind of is middling in terms of his efficiency, maybe he becomes a sell high at some point down the line. If there are more rumblings about, well, you know, Tyler Shuck might get the start this week, maybe that would be the opportunity to try to cash out. But for right now, I think that he's someone you want to try to get on your roster.

[Ryan Wormley]

Who are you selling at quarterback or tight end?

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm selling Mark Andrews. So where am I? I hate to bring up, I had to talk about a Ravens player because we haven't talked about anyone yet. So Mark Andrews for me and I'm very much looking forward to hearing your take on this because it's been two weeks of Mark Andrews not Isaiah likely in the lineup and has been two weeks of nothing, nothing from Mark Andrews. Week two, three targets, one catch for two yards. He did have a carry, which was interesting, but snaps are still there. 80.

[Ryan Wormley]

Did you, did you watch the game? Like, did you see the carry? Yes, because it's, this is just what they do. They do the tush push with him rather than Lamar. So it's not really like I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't frame it as like, oh, they gave him a carry like out of the backfield. This is like when they want to get like a fourth and one in their own territory or something, like really need it. They, they like using him with the tush push. It's their version of it.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, you, you consider that it could be a, a touchdown play too, where if you know they're at the goal line, they could touch push it in with Mark Andrews. But the touchdowns just haven't been there. And even in this past game, he had two targets in the end zone. Both came up short. I think that the bet on Andrews was still on touchdowns. And I don't know what happened in.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Week two, but everyone else was scoring touchdowns except for Mark Andrews. Devonte's Walker, all the guy does is catch touchdowns. I think aren't all of his career.

[Ryan Wormley]

He has three career catches. They're all touchdowns.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

So that was my concern was not even like with Walker, but like I.

[Andrew Erickson]

Thought Hopkins could be a guy that would be a touchdown threat. He's obviously had a bigger role even though he's catching touchdowns outside the zone because the guy's just an absolute monster. And with Isaiah likely coming back, I'm trying to see where is the upside case with Mark Andrews here because through two games, the Ravens offense has been scoring points at such a high rate and Andrews has been a complete non factor. So I would be looking to sell Worm, you're the Ravens guy. Am I totally off base here with what I've seen for two weeks? But I like Isaiah like it coming back.

[Ryan Wormley]

I'm much more concerned about the week two performance than the week one performance because the week one performance. Keep giving the ball to Derek Henry or keep throwing it to Zay Flowers because those two things were just working. Why get away from it in this one? The running game was not working. They needed to throw and despite that, they still threw fewer than 30 times. That to me is like a huge red flag for the passing game in terms of fantasy production that the running game would be this ineffective. It was. There was nothing going against this defense and they still didn't even throw 30 times and they scored 40 points. Now, some of those scoring 41 points were short fields because of the defense, you know, special teams returns. There was, you know, a touchdown score by the defense. So that 41 is a little bit misleading. I would say actually a lot bit misleading. But the point is this is they won blowout fashion without a running game and. And still didn't throw that much. And it wasn't like, you know, Zay Flowers had 150 yards and was like just clearly always open all the time. Like he had a good game, 7 for 75. But again, no, Isaiah likely run a game not working and you still can't get anything. I will say I thought he did have a touchdown. It was ruled not a catch and they did not, you know, end up throw. You know, Harbaugh considered throwing the challenge flag and didn't. I thought it could have been called a touchdown. Now that still would have been like, okay, so what? He had nine receiving yards today and a touchdown instead of two receiving yards and no touchdown. You know, it still wouldn't have been a great day, but there would have been some touchdown deodorant there. So it is worth noting that, that I, they will still look to him in the red zone at times. But yeah, I was really, really concerned. I, I wonder how much you can trade him for at this point given what we've seen the first couple weeks and what everybody remembers of the first six weeks of last season when he was literally scoring zeros, which is, you know, not much worse than what we got out of this game. So I wonder if that'll be in the back of people's minds too rather than the second half of last season. The fact that this has all happened without Isaiah likely is. Is the biggest screaming red flag though that like, because he is going to come back at some point and just eat further, further into this. I thought there was Runway here for Andrews to have a really strong start to the season, actually healthy. No, Isaiah likely didn't happen and that's really concerning to me. So I would be looking to move off of him. He's. Let me see rest of season. He said in 10 rest of season. The names around him, you know, and Joku Hawkinson are right ahead of him. Ferguson, Kincaid, Juwan Johnson are the three right behind him. I mean, it's kind of an uninspiring group regardless, right? Like this, this, this scenario is the reason why that we were saying just draft Tyler Warren and Tucker Craft late. If you miss out on the top three was because this middle range was just so unappetizing.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

So I mean this. Nobody has this problem with Mark Andrews because everybody has either Tucker Craft or.

[Andrew Erickson]

Tyler Warren on their team.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

So hopefully this isn't a problem you're dealing with.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think to your point, in trying to sell him, maybe you just Wait till he has a week where he does score a touchdown because we know he's going to score touchdowns at some point just because of how he's using the Ravens off. Maybe that gives you a better sell high window, but if you have on your roster, you need to be looking for avenues to move off Andrews because right now you can't start him with a lot of confidence.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, it's sad, but I think extremely fair.

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[Drew Franklin]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Andrew Erickson]

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[Ryan Wormley]

Let's do some buy, sell or holds here. I've got a couple of wide receiver trios for you and a quarterback and a tight end trio, so we'll go through all of them here quickly. A wide receiver, Marvin Harrison Jr. Courtland Sutton, Terry McLaren again, that's Harrison, Sutton and McLaurin. Buy, sell or hold.

[Andrew Erickson]

I want to still want to buy Marvin Harrison Jr. I know that he's coming off a lackluster effort or not effort, excuse me, a performance in Week two against Carolina Panthers. But I still like what I saw a lot from him in Week one, and I still think that there's an upside case for him as a Year two receiver taking that next step. The Cardinal schedule I think is still very favorable to start the year, so I will buy Marvin Harrison Jr. I'm gonna hold Cortland Sutton just because last week was really weird in terms of how he was used. He was only running a route I believe on like less than 60% of the dropbacks. It was Troy Franklin that was seeing the most routes run, which to me it looks like a blip on the radar in terms of how Sutton is traditionally used in the Denver Broncos offense. Usually he's always like the alpha guy and he did have some red zone targets through some pass interference calls. I think that last week's stat line is not really indicative of the true performance of Sutton, so I think that he should bounce back in future weeks. So I'm not really concerned about Cron Sutton and then Terry McLaren. I could have probably listed him as the buy because he seems like he would be someone that would be looking to ascend in the again. I've talked about this with Debo Samuel, where no McLaren's going to get back up to speed and get back to where he was at points last year. But the vibes Just with McLaren overall, I don't know if he was ever a player I really wanted on my roster this season on my teams, just because I knew that he probably wasn't to catch as many touchdowns as he did last season. He had the training camp holdout and a lot of times like these guys off these holdouts don't Just, they never really have that good of a season. Now, Jamar Chase was the one exception last year where he held out. He sucked for the first couple weeks, and then just was an absolute monster wide receiver one overall. So I think that there maybe is a buying opportunity with McLaren if he's cheap enough. But I think maybe I missed that window. And I don't know. I just. I didn't really want to draft him for the reasons I laid out. And I'm not sure I want to change my tune. Even if the process says, hey, you got to buy law McLaurin, you gotta flip Debo for McLaurin, because he's going to get better. But I don't know, I just kind of want to go hands off, especially with the Daniels knee injury now. I don't know if I want to get invested into that. So I think I'm just going to shy away and just sell McLaren.

[Ryan Wormley]

Would you take all three of them over T. Higgins?

[Andrew Erickson]

I take Harrison over T. Higgins. I would take Clorin probably over T. Higgins. And yeah, I. I think I probably would take any outside, and I would take over Tegan. So, yeah, I think I take all three.

[Ryan Wormley]

Next wide receiver trio here. George Pickens, DK Metcalf, Zay Flowers by seller hold.

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, I'm so glad you brought up Zay Flowers, dude. He looks unstoppable through two weeks, and.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

I can only imagine what's going through your mind as you're watching how good he is for your Ravens team, but then remembering that you didn't draft it in fantasy because.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I. I don't think that anyone. I don't think you're pro. Like, the process was wrong. It just. The. The one thing that was always in the back of my mind was like, how does Zay Flowers beat us if he's just really good? And through two weeks, that's what he's been. Is just really good. He just looks like a stud receiver on the field. So, I don't know. I want to get your thoughts on Flowers. So right now I'm. I'm not gonna sell him. I'm probably gonna hold Zay Flowers, DK Metcalf, and then who's the other player that you listed off?

[Ryan Wormley]

George Pickens.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay, so I'm gonna hold Zay Flowers. I think I'm gonna buy George Pickens even after he had a big game. George Pickett's, I believe, was my buy last week on the show, and that ended up looking like a pretty good call after you had a good game against the Giants. I think something that was notable about Pickens last week was a lot of his usage and targets didn't come until the second half of the game, specifically when Kevonte Turpin actually missed time. So Kamate Turpin got knocked out with a neck injury and was seen with a neck brace after the game. And you don't want to think that, oh, well, now Pickens usage is going to like explode without Turpin. But Turpin was seeing decent amount of volume and touches in the Cowboys offense. So if he's going to miss time, I think that bodes well for Pickens to elevate that floor significantly. Dak Prescott, I think, has looked really good through two weeks. You know, we're talking about, okay, number two receivers attached to a guy like Dak Prescott. He can still thrive in that situation. So I think for me it would be George Pickens I would be looking to buy and then Metcalf would probably be my sell. I think probably you could get the most for him. He's had two pretty good weeks, I would say, to start the year with Aaron Rodgers. And he's also playing the Patriots this week, so that's another Smash spot for him. I still question how high the ceiling can be with Aaron Rodgers. I mean, Rogers had a amazing game in Week one and Metcalf was just okay. He didn't catch any touchdowns last week. He didn't have a lot of yardage. He did score the touchdown, so he was fine. I think maybe Metcalf, and this is what I talked about him during draft season was I kind of just felt like he was overvalued because I think he's kind of like just an overall overrated wide receiver. And I think after two weeks we're kind of seeing that where he's been. Okay. Nothing groundbreaking, but not a outright bust. But I think maybe if you put him on the market on the trade block and think I can flip Deacon Metcalf to get Zay Flowers. Yeah, sign me up for that. So I think Metcalf, although I don't think that you need to sell him, I think you can probably get a decent chunk back for him just based on what he's done for the first two weeks.

[Ryan Wormley]

I am still nervous about Zay Flowers from a fantasy perspective and would probably look to sell him, honestly, because what? Week one was awesome. Week two is basically what I expected for a lot of the season, which is about seven catches, something in the 70 yard range, but no touchdown. And week one he had the big game and the touchdown. So he was wide receiver one in the week, but week two, he was wide receiver 31. And that's kind of what I expect most weeks, truthfully. And, like, I. I just don't see how the touchdown stuff's going to change. It's going to need to be big play touchdowns, which maybe he runs hot on them and it's great, but, like, I am not coming off again. He's great in real life. I love Zay Flowers, but. And he. And he looks awesome, but I don't think the passing touchdown, the receiving touchdowns, I should say, are going to be there for him. And I think that will be a constant anchor around his. His fantasy value. So if you can sell him to somebody right now who's like, zay Flowers looks great. This is a breakout. He's a league winner to you. Like, I would do that, honestly, because I think there's going to be a lot more wide receiver 31 finishes, and there are going to be wide receiver one finishes.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, no, this was one that I could really see go either way. And it's why he was kind of like a divisive player to talk about.

[Ryan Wormley]

It's just summertime, like, if that. If that part of the game is just eliminated. It's not a part of the equation if your league doesn't count touchdowns or whatever. Right. Like. Like, in that case, yes.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Who plays in a league without touchdowns? That's a league that you should not exist.

[Ryan Wormley]

Like, I think the volume will be there to make you happy, but the touchdown volume, I just. I would be really shocked. I don't see a path barring him running hot with long, you know, breakaway touchdowns, which is possible. Barring that, I don't see a path to him getting eight touchdowns this season. And I just think that's going to limit his ceiling.

[Andrew Erickson]

Would you take so the same question to you. So you would take Metcalf over Flowers? Yeah.

[Ryan Wormley]

Honestly, I don't like Metcalf all that much, which is kind of why I included them together.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

No, no, that was a good like.

[Ryan Wormley]

Like, I would probably rather have Zay, but I would rather sell Zay because I think you can get more for him right now. Like, I think right now.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, I. I agree.

[Ryan Wormley]

Because remember this buy, sell, hold is not a ranking. It's who do you want to buy? Who do you want? So who do you want to hold and say, maybe I'd rather have than Metcalf, but I would rather sell him because of what you can get.

[Andrew Erickson]

Could you get Zay Flowers? Could you sell Zay Flowers, get Brian Thomas Jr. That that would be.

[Ryan Wormley]

I think you'd probably need to add something but I would be willing to do that if you could pair Zay Flowers with something else for Thomas. I would do that in a heartbeat.

[Andrew Erickson]

You could do. I'm thinking Zay Flowers with either a Crosky Merit or Jordan Mason. That. That would work, right?

[Ryan Wormley]

I would, I would absolutely buy Brian Thomas Jr. In that.

[Andrew Erickson]

I like that. Yeah, I like. Yeah, I like that.

[Ryan Wormley]

All right, let's go to quarterback trio here. Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, Cam Ward. Buy seller hold.

[Andrew Erickson]

I'm going to sell Cam Ward. Although he looks much better than the box score suggests. I just don't trust him with Callahan calling the shots in this offense. I think that he's holding Cam or back so not as hopeful for what he can do. And I just think that the Titans don't have enough weapons. I mean when Ella I Manor is your number one wide receiver who is a day three rookie. Yeah, I think that he has a lot of upside but I just don't think consistency is going to be there. I think Daniel Jones right now is think he's the buy, as weird as that sounds and to be suckered into this again.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

But we've done this before with him.

[Andrew Erickson]

When he was in a good situation in New York. The one time it was actually a good situation. He was talk to a fantasy quarterback. Like he's actually put it all together before in a good situation. So for me it would be Daniel Jones because he's in a situation that's not terrible for the first time in a while. And Bryson would be a hold for me. He still is doing some of the stuff that has your hair pulling out. But he's also scoring fantasy points at the same time because he's throwing garbage time touchdowns. He's still using his legs and the defense is still terrible for the Carolina.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Panthers which is the ingredients that you.

[Andrew Erickson]

Need for a fantasy quarterback that scores fantasy points. But you just don't want to watch the games necessarily. And think back to oh, this is a very Blake Bortles esque stat line that's been Bryce Young. So that's kind of my overview on those quarterbacks.

[Ryan Wormley]

We got to get out of here. So I'll jump to the tight end trio one here, Harold Fannin Jr. Juwan Johnson who we did talk about and Dalton Kincaid.

[Andrew Erickson]

This is a good one. I think I'm gonna buy Harold Fannin rewatching that game with the broadcast and where you can attest this as well I think they said five or six times how much the team loves Fanon, how much Joe Flacco loves Fan and.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

They just everyone's obsessed with Harold Fannin.

[Andrew Erickson]

So I think that he is a talent. I think that the team eventually does move on from David and Joku at some point this season. So Harold Fannin for me does concern me that the team might not have Flacco on her center at some point as well. When you have the rookie quarterbacks, I don't think that's going to be great but maybe it's kind of like a net in terms of well and Joku's gone but the quarterback downgrade happened so I think Fan is still set up pretty well. So I'm going to buy him. I'm going to hold Juan Johnson for.

[Ryan Wormley]

The reasons expecting you to buy Joanne Johnson.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, I, I mean what I I like Fanon because I believe in the talent more right than than Juwan Johnson who it's really about the usage with him. Like he is just being a usage monster right now which can change depending on who the quarterback is for the Saints. So that's my only reservation with Juan Johnson and just about buying him and especially compared to someone like Harold Fannon. But then my cell would probably be Dalton Kincaid and that's not because he's not seeing. I think his target rate per route run is really high. He's been more involved in the offense. When I was watching that game they talked about Tony Rumba talked about how who was the broadcaster for the Bills and Jets game. He was talking about how he expected Dalton Kincaid to catch eight to 10 balls against the Jets. Now that obviously didn't play out that way because there was a blowout. The Buffalo Bills just ran over the New York Jets. I think that there are going to be good games in the future for Kincaid. I'm just not convinced the King Cade is very good.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

I think that's the thing that kind of holds me back.

[Andrew Erickson]

I watch him play and I'm like I feel like this guy should be.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Better but he's not. And you also have the Dawson Knox.

[Andrew Erickson]

Thing where Knox does contribute to a certain amount of snap. So King K's not an every down player and that just hurts your ceiling from a Bills or from a fantasy perspective. I also think you can probably get the most for Dalton. Would you agree that King K you get the most for among these three tight ends attached to Josh Allen and he's had he scored a touchdown in week one. Last week was okay so he would probably Be my sell high.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah. I think probably that is the one you would get the most for. I think that's right. I'm actually not. I don't say that confidently though. I think it's an interesting question of who would get the most because I think people who have Dalton Kincaid are like, like they've seen him disappoint in multiple years now and are probably kind of done with it. Fannin is the lowest ranked in the rest of season rankings, but obviously he's risen a lot, you know, from where he's began the season. Dalton Kincaid is tight in 12. Juan Johnson is tight in 13. Fan is tight end 16. I think Kincaid would probably get the most, but I don't know if it'd be by a wide margin. Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I know that last year he was playing through a lot of injuries and I think that he can still be productive to an extent. But the minute that he has a monster game, I think that's maybe when I we to cash out just because.

[Ryan Wormley]

Was he really tight end one in week one, he did score a touchdown. Yeah. But he had four catches for 48 yards in a touchdown. That was tight end one. I, I'm looking.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

It was a bad week.

[Ryan Wormley]

I knew he caught a touch. I didn't. Wow. I, that is shocking.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

Was that in standard?

[Ryan Wormley]

Is that maybe that's. I'm looking right now on fantasy pros and hopefully I'm not like announcing that there's a typo on fantasy pros. I don't imagine it is a typo, but half PPR scoring says he finished tight end one with 12.8 points.

[Andrew Erickson]

Ladies and gentlemen, that is the bar at tight end in 2025.

[Ryan Wormley]

That's. I, I did not realize that when we were talking, reacting to that game last week. That is pretty remarkable. I'm. I'm trying to look it up now to see like if I can quickly determine if that was in fact correct.

[Andrew Erickson]

Are any of those guys, Are you taking Mark Andrews over any of those guys?

[Ryan Wormley]

It appears to be correct, by the way. Okay, sorry, say that again.

[Andrew Erickson]

Are you taking Mark Andrews over any of those guys?

[Ryan Wormley]

I think.

[Andrew Erickson]

Or would you rather have all those guys rest season?

[Ryan Wormley]

I think they're all in the same tier for me, which is a cop out answer. I think. You know what, based on last year, like seeing Andrew start slow and then get better. I'll take Andrews ahead of them, but I don't feel good about it. Right. Like I, I have zero conviction in saying that.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just done with Andrews because even if he does what he did last year in the second half, how good was that really? Because you didn't have confidence starting him half the time and he didn't score a touchdown.

[Ryan Wormley]

The one thing I will say is like I do still expect this, this offense assuming Lamar is healthy to score score a lot of touchdowns and like everybody was like Lamar is going to regress on the passing side. 41 touchdowns, four interceptions. I think he probably will regress. I don't think it's going to be by so much that he can't support.

[Andrew Erickson (Alternate or Emphasis)]

His, his favorite, only 35.

[Ryan Wormley]

Like I think he will still throw. I mean he already, he, he's tied for the leave lead and passing touchdowns this year through two weeks. It was just two weeks. But like, like I, I just, I think he's going to throw for enough that if Andrews is still his favorite target in the red zone he, he is going to come, he's going to at least toy with double digit touchdown season. Assuming health or, or is the right answer.

[Andrew Erickson]

Just get Isaiah likely on your team right now.

[Ryan Wormley]

I mean that's, that's not a bad answer. I foot injury stuff. Like I just worry when they come back how they look. And again, Andrews should have had a touchdown this week. It was like very, very close to one so.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, Travis Kelsey should have had a touchdown too.

[Ryan Wormley]

Yeah, Andrews is like six years younger than Kelsey so let's not put him in the same bucket here. All right, we gotta wrap up but this has gone log. All right. For Erickson, I'm Ryan Wormley. Thanks everybody for tuning in again. Be sure to check out part one if you missed it, where I talked more about the running back side of things. But yeah, we'll be here every week. We'll see you again next time. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on apple [e-mail] review or on Spotify. Follow us on X Instagram and TikTok at Fantasy Pros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com fantasypros what do.

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