Super Bowl Recap, 2026 Hall of Fame Class, and Final Season Takeaways | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1957)

Summary

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Episode: Super Bowl Recap, 2026 Hall of Fame Class, and Final Season Takeaways | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1957)

Date: February 9, 2026
Hosts: Joey P (Joe P. Zappia), Scott Bogman, The Welsh

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Overview

This lively season finale brings together Joey P, Bogman, and Welsh to dissect Super Bowl 60, dive into debates about the 2026 NFL Hall of Fame class, discuss league award voting controversies, and reflect on larger trends from the 2025-2026 NFL season. Plenty of banter, memorable fan rants, and real talk for fantasy footballers and NFL loyalists.

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Super Bowl 60 Breakdown

[00:39–07:12]

• Result: Seattle Seahawks defeat New England Patriots.
• Themes:
  • Dominant defensive performance by Seattle.
  • Patriots’ offensive line struggles—particularly LT Will Campbell (allowed 14 pressures, most ever in a Super Bowl).
  • Ken Walker’s standout rushing performance.
  • Conservative playcalling on both sides.
  • Reactions as fans of storied (Patriots, Steelers, 49ers) and suffering franchises (shout-out to Browns, Jets fans).

Notable Quote:
“Super Bowl 60 is in the books and it proves two years in a row that the Super Bowl is not a safe place for anyone named Drake...”
—Joey P (00:39)

• Patriots' Drake May struggled under relentless pressure.
• Sam Darnold (Seattle): Steady if unspectacular; avoided turnovers and got support from Ken Walker.

Notable Reaction:
“Ken Walker was absolutely dominant. He was awesome. And Will Campbell is going to have to get on an Amazon truck pretty soon ... statistically the worst offensive performance by an offensive lineman in Super Bowl history.”
—Welsh (05:38)

[07:51–12:43]

Is Sam Darnold a Franchise Quarterback?

• Extended debate: Would other QBs have won with this Seattle squad?
• Consensus: Darnold played “fine,” wasn’t the difference-maker—Seattle’s defense and Walker drove success.

Memorable Exchange:
“Is Sam Darnold the franchise quarterback, then? I would still say no. I think he played fine ... Ken Walker could not be stopped, and you just needed to not make big mistakes.”
—Welsh (11:25)

[12:48–15:35]

Game Flow & Strategy

• Highly conservative playcalling, especially first half.
• Pats’ defense nearly made big plays, but Seattle’s punter Michael Dixon was lauded for “MVP-level” pinning (12:08).
• Credit to Sam Darnold for not turning the ball over during the playoffs.

[15:35–19:33]

MVP Awards & Voting Controversy

• Matthew Stafford won league MVP by one vote; one “controversial” vote went to Justin Herbert.
• Some support for Drake May as MVP given team context and adversity.
• Brisk discussion over the fairness and impact of outlier votes.

Notable Quote:
“If one vote costs you it, you probably weren’t good enough to get there.”
—Scott Bogman (19:33)

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2026 HOF Class & Individual Legacies

[23:04–28:49]

Class Announced:

• First-ballot: Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald
• Others: Luke Kuechly, Adam Vinatieri, Roger Craig

Roger Craig Praise:
“He gave us a modern day fantasy running back, basically. He was Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk was Marshall Faulk.”
—Welsh (24:09)

• Debate on minimum years for Hall of Fame worthiness:
  • Five years of dominance cited.
  • NFL vs. MLB Hall approaches compared.
  • Luke Kuechly’s short-yet-dominant career scrutinized.

[29:49–34:39]

Bill Belichick Snubbed from Hall

• Outrage and speculation over reasons (alleged personal politics, cheating scandals, Yoko Ono/Jordan comparisons).
• Media dislike may have contributed.
• Comparison to baseball’s treatment of Bonds/Clemens.

Notable Impression:
“Well, you know, we're going out here, we're gonna play Cincinnati this week and then we're just gonna move on. I don't have any face chat or snaps or any of that stuff.”
—Scott Bogman’s Bill Belichick impression (33:40)

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Season Reflection & League Takeaways

[35:33–39:34]

Big Picture: Parity Rules

• Peak NFL parity: No true dominant teams this year.
• Injuries and depth affected playoff outcomes.
• Teams healthier at season’s end had decisive advantage.

Welsh’s Take:
“I wonder if we’re at an impasse—are we going to get back to an offensive heavy league, or does this defensive model proliferate after this Super Bowl?”
—Welsh (37:44)

[39:34–41:10]

Quarterback Trends

• Questions about the current generation of QBs: athletic but less “NFL-ready.”
• Lack of reps, multiple college systems; trend toward athletes needing to learn the position “on the fly.”

Bogman:
“We want guys that have started 30 games in college ... but a lot of these new QBs move around too much.”

[41:10–43:00]

Pro Bowl Event Discussion

• Flag football format: praised as engaging, especially for fans new to football (specifically girls and flag players).
• Welsh is skeptical but Joey and Bogman defend its appeal and place supporting Olympic flag football in 2028.

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Fact or Fiction Lightning Round

[43:00–44:48]

• Will Stafford regret returning?
  • Bogman: “Absolute fiction. He just won MVP!”
  • Welsh: “He’ll be fine, unless his back blows up.”

[44:57–45:39]

• Matt Nagy and Adam Gase coaching hires souring fantasy excitement?
  • “Soured Joe” comes out: hosts are skeptical, but admit offensive coordinators’ impact can be mitigated by talent.

[45:58–47:22]

• 17 International Games by 2030?
  • Hosts see “fact” as the NFL pushes for weekly international games, likely paired with extra byes.
  • “By 2028, every team will have an international game.” —Scott Bogman (46:15)

[47:24–48:11]

• Maxx Crosby a Raider in 2026?
  • All: “Fiction”—he wants out, attitudes sour.

[48:11–50:32]

• Nathaniel Hackett Embodies NFL Coaching Problems?
  • Debate over “old boys’ club” in staff hiring.
  • Welsh: “...there looks like there’s plenty of new blood in the NFL ... why do we keep giving failures the opportunity?”

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Community & Looking Ahead

[50:32–end]

• Shout-out to audience & new content:
  • FantasyPros launching dedicated Dynasty YouTube channel.
  • Preview of more content coming during offseason and NFL draft.
  • Appreciation for loyal interactive live listeners.

Closing Quote:
"This is our show. Not just ours, but 'ours' in terms of you guys, the audience as well. This is the only real interactive show here that we do in terms of podcasts and you guys make the show."
—Joey P (51:25)

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Key Takeaways

• Super Bowl 60 was a defense-driven, conservative affair; Ken Walker and Seattle’s front 7 shined.
• Parody’s at an all-time high—no dominant teams or offenses, opening the door for “healthy at the right time” squads.
• Several coaching controversies and the “old boys’ club” nature of the NFL coaching carousel remain a source of fan frustration.
• The Hall of Fame process and award voting continue to spark debate; Belichick’s first-ballot snub drew universal ire.
• Moving forward: NFL is expanding globally, Pro Bowl is embracing flag football, and fans are urged to expect changes to both the calendar and the style of play.

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Select Timestamps of Note

• Super Bowl Recap and Ken Walker Praise: 00:39–06:30
• Is Sam Darnold a “Franchise QB?” Debate: 07:12–12:43
• MVP Voting Controversy: 15:35–19:33
• Hall of Fame Class Analysis: 23:04–28:49
• Bill Belichick Snub Talk: 29:49–34:39
• Season Takeaways & Parity: 35:33–39:34
• Flag Football Pro Bowl Discussion: 41:10–43:00
• Fact or Fiction Segment: 43:00–50:32
• FantasyPros Community & Dynasty Content: 50:32–end

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Transcript

[Joey P]

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[Joey P]

Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P, Joe P. Zapier with me as always, my two best friends, the Welsh and Scott Bogman. It's all of you hanging out on our Twitch Twitch TV Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be. And of course on our YouTube channel, Fantasy Pros. You can subscribe. You can subscribe to the feed as well. You can. Great to have everybody hanging out with us here. And we are here to recap the super bowl. Super Bowl 60 is in the books and it proves two years in a row that the super bowl is not a safe place for anyone named Drake. Just want you to know that not a safe place. The Seattle Seahawks defense put on a show. The New England Patriots defense certainly gave it everything they had. Christian Gonzalez was terrific. They really did everything they could to try to keep this one close for as long as they could. But. But the Seattle Seahawks defense dominated the Patriots offense and too many turnovers in the second half ended up ending the story of the Cinderella Patriots in 2025/2026. And it occurred to me, gentlemen, how lucky we are. I, a Patriots fan, have seen a lot of winning in my life. One of the winningest organizations, Scott Bogman, a Steelers fan, also one of the most winning organizations in the history of the NFL. And Welsh, a 49er fan who knew greatness in the 80s into the mid-90s and then a rebirth in the last couple years. We have it good, my friends, because as Bogman asked me before coming on the show, how you stop up with your tears, Joey? And I said, no, no tears, it's all good. Cinderella, you know, turned into a pumpkin or whatever the hell and it was a fun run while it lasted. Scott Bogman, let's get your take here. Let's start with you today. Obviously a lot of people said this was a boring Super Bowl. That's cause they don't like defense, I like defense, you like defense. What were your thoughts?

[Scott Bogman]

It was a beautiful Super Bowl. Anytime the Patriots lose in the Super Bowl, I'll say that. But no, it, it, you know, it light. It livened up in the second half for sure. But that first half was, it was brutal. It was brutal to see these quarterbacks. Like, I wasn't sure Sam Darnold was going to make it through the game after that first quarter. I mean he got hit on like every single single drop back. They were really punishing him. But they, they adjusted, started with those quick outs, started running Ken Walker into that mess and it really worked out for them. And their defense played impeccable. They really harassed Drake May all night. So it was a fine Super Bowl. Was it the best super bowl ever? No. But no, I thought it was great.

[Joey P]

Yeah. Welsh again, a tough one for you. You don't want me to be happy and you don't want the Seahawks to be happy. So I know lots of, lots of, lots of things pulling at your different heartstrings in different directions. But certainly the Ken Walker performance was incredible. He really just kind of took it to another level, which makes me kind of wonder all year is like, well, why don't we give Ken Walker just the football, make him a bell cow back. Why do we have to split all these?

[Scott Bogman]

Because he gets hurt every time you.

[Joey P]

Do give him the ball that I guess. But well, the other thing that got exposed was certainly will Campbell 14 pressures given up. That was the high on the year for any left tackle. Worst case scenario in the Super Bowl. It seems like Will Campbel a lot to answer for and he didn't answer any questions after the game. Share your thoughts about the poorest offensive line of the Patriots, what it did to Drake May and also what Ken Walker's performance meant to the Seattle team here that really struggled offensively. JSN was kind of shut down there, but Ken Walker kind of put this offense on his back and said, let's go, I'm the guy. And he took him all the way to the top.

[Welsh]

You're the worst type of friend. Like you're the worst. Like you're coming on here. Like you, you're asking me all these stupid questions to not get me to like talk about what I want to talk about. You're were just like, you know guys, it's not about winning. It's just about the, the time that it travels.

[Scott Bogman]

Practicing gratitude.

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Bitter fan.

[Joey P]

I got my gratitude kick out today, fan. Be bitter if you're a Patriot Fan bitter. Then you need to check the size of your shorts down there because let me tell you something, you have had so much joy. I live in the New York area with a bunch of Jet fans, okay? That's pain, that's misery, that's suffering. You don't know what it's like to going to the super bowl and losing is. Is unfortunate. It's not suffering. Grow up. If you're sad about it. And look, Seattle fans, I mean, you've had some good teams and some bad teams, but you have been. Look, this, this run they're on right now. Mike McDonald is a, is a hell of a football coach. I think it also goes to show you, you know, more often than not, I think the defensive minded coaches typically tend to make the better head coaches. But if you want to rant and piss and moan, Welsh, no one's stopping you. Go for it.

[Welsh]

No, I wanted you to. You're the worst. Like, like you're all well adjusted. You're like.

[Joey P]

Whenever we do shows, you're like, you're the worst Patriot fan because you always kind of just tell the truth about love and you're like, I hate that. I hate that. You know, like, it's okay.

[Welsh]

Like, we've had championships, we'll get them next time. I'm like, ugh, that's just like, get on here.

[Scott Bogman]

Imagine a Browns fan losing the Super Bowl. Yeah.

[Welsh]

Just be about.

[Scott Bogman]

Of course they might, they might just be like, hey, we made it to one finally.

[Welsh]

But God, all right, Ken Walker is going to like, it's going to be so fun talking about his 14 carries. He's going to have all next season after he dominated in the Super Bowl. Looked incredible. That game was boring, by the way, and it sucked. And I don't care about your defensive nonsense that you just had. You talked about like it was a stupid game. Ken Walker was absolutely dominant. He was awesome. And Will Campbell is going to have to get on an Amazon truck pretty soon. Did what he said where he's like, oh, you give up a sack, you're going to be delivering packages. Well, buddy, I'm going same day delivery because we're going to have to get you on. That was one of the. That was the worst. That was like statistically the worst offensive performance by an offensive lineman in super bowl history. Gave up the most sacks. So that was exactly my worry about the Patriots. When I talked about this. I. You know how gross it is watching the Seahawks win in my stadium. That's gross.

[Joey P]

Oh, yeah, that is a wrinkle. I forgot.

[Welsh]

Disgusting. Yeah, it was absolutely gross. But this is what I said when you and Erickson were talking about the Patriots. Like, listen, your offense is just, it's. It's messy right now. It does. It isn't whole. And Drake Mace really struggling under fire, and he was under fire the entire game. So they're obviously going to have to have some offensive line coverage are going to have to work at. Ken Walker is going to be talked about in the second round. Those are all fun things, but those are like the only things that really came out of that game because it wasn't super great. And then there's like, well adjusted Patriots fans that are just like, well, you know, look at my rings. And it's just like, ugh, Cry a little bit. Like.

[Scott Bogman]

Tears Gypsy.

[Joey P]

I've got no tears again. I've got a real head coach. Quarterback. If you have a coach and quarterback, you have a shot every year. Now, look, the Patriots did lose the super bowl, and historically speaking, those teams do not make it back to the Super Bowl. So Pat's fans don't get comfortable. You're probably losing that division to the Bills next year. I'm just saying it's probably going to happen. So just understand this was fun, but understand there's still a bright future ahead. But they need to address the offensive line, that's for sure. I want to address Sam Darnold because I closed the show last week with a fact or fiction and I said I'm going to ask it again next week and I'm going to Fact or fiction? Sam Darnold is a franchise quarterback coming back, winning 14 games. Back to back seasons.

[Scott Bogman]

Now, can I put this a different way for you, Joe? Because I heard this said and I. I think I like this question better. How many quarterbacks could have played for Seattle yesterday and won the. Play that game with that team?

[Joey P]

Let's play that game. You have a list of NFL quarterbacks I can ask chat GPT.

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, I just like, what is the worst quarterback that you think could have been at the helm of that team and won? Could Kyler Murray have won?

[Welsh]

Kobe Brissette.

[Joey P]

All right, well, look, obviously that's a good one. Let's roll through that. So the tier one guys, obviously, May. Stafford, Herbert Allen, all those guys. Dak Prescott, Tier one Purdy. He's won a super. All right, let's start here. Daniel Jones, because he had won the super bowl last night, I think so.

[Welsh]

How he played this year. Yeah, that was very. Sam Darnold healthy.

[Scott Bogman]

Yes.

[Joey P]

Okay, Jared, Goff has already. Yeah, I would say Jared Goff. We know Joe Burrow's been to a Super Bowl. Jordan Love, right? Yeah, probably.

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Joey P]

Okay. What. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes. Let's continue on with a couple other guys. Tier 3 Purdy. We already said he's gotten to a Super bowl, so probably, yes. Lamar hasn't gotten there, but I would say, yes. Caleb Williams. Could they have done it with Caleb Williams?

[Welsh]

Absolutely.

[Scott Bogman]

Yes.

[Joey P]

I would agree with that also. So, okay, so we're pushing here into these 15, 16 range. Aaron Rodgers, currently in his state.

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, I think they could have won, but it would have been closer.

[Welsh]

I mean, this. This is a tough balance because, like, if you go back to your original question after that game, just for a second here, and you're just like, is he a franchise quarterback? Like, what did he do that was awesome in that game? Like, it was. Ken Walker. Like, Ken Walker moved that game.

[Scott Bogman]

So, like, he avoided about five or six.

[Joey P]

That's. That's what my answer. My answer was. There was. Look, the Patriots had a ton of pressure on Sam Darnold to Bogman's point. They just failed to get home a lot. They were so close. They're ripping the hand warmers off the.

[Scott Bogman]

Ball out at the last second.

[Joey P]

He got the ball at the last second. He was able to get rid of balls then get hit. So the hits and pressures that were there and present didn't end up affecting the outcome of the game and did move the chains in some key spots.

[Welsh]

So let's say Rogers doesn't know then by that marker then. All right, so let's say Rogers is.

[Joey P]

What about Bo Nix, number 19 on this list?

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, because he can move.

[Joey P]

Because he can move. I would agree.

[Welsh]

All right, now he can't, but.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah. Well, neither can Daniel Jones.

[Joey P]

All right, here we go. Now it's gonna get C.J. stroud, number 21.

[Welsh]

Absolutely not. I mean, I think Stroud would have thrown three picks in that game. Like, from a talent perspective, is he as talented as Sam Darnold? Like, yeah, I think so. He has, like, zero awareness, like, game awareness, honestly.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah. It might have been like, Geno Smith being at the helm of this team. Let's just say can't win with the turnover.

[Welsh]

So. So, no, this is going in a direction. We all kind of know where it's going right now. All right, well, so let's give a couple no's, and we'll do a couple.

[Joey P]

Bryce Young is a no, I think, right?

[Welsh]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

No.

[Joey P]

Tyler Shuck, I think, is a no. For now.

[Scott Bogman]

Not yet.

[Joey P]

Here's a fun one. Jackson dart. With his mobility. It's a question. I'm gonna say no.

[Scott Bogman]

Turn the ball over as well.

[Joey P]

I do, too. I'm gonna say no. But I think it's kind of like it makes you go. And then the end. Here you got Brissette, Cam Ward, Geno Smith. To a. I would all say no. I would say yes.

[Scott Bogman]

I'd say Brissette might have been able to do that. Jane Daniels definitely could have, I think. I mean, I think Cam Ward at this point in his career, probably holding the ball too long and wouldn't have taken some of those sacks. But I think in a year.

[Welsh]

Yeah, but if you're saying dart no, then we got.

[Joey P]

And we would have said yes. Baker Mayfield could have done it, too.

[Scott Bogman]

Right?

[Welsh]

Yeah. So, I mean, that's.

[Joey P]

So there's about 20 quarterbacks. It's about 20 quarterbacks. Or if you want to look at the Inverse, there's about 10 or so that we would have not felt comfortable in that game with.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah.

[Welsh]

So is Sam Darnold the franchise quarterback, then? I would still say no. I don't. I think he played fine. Again, that's like always the conversation around him, like, he played fine. He avoided some sacks.

[Scott Bogman]

It's good enough.

[Joey P]

He made it.

[Welsh]

He had a touchdown. No, no, no, no.

[Joey P]

I don't think so either.

[Welsh]

Absolutely not. But he was good enough. He's not a franchise quarterback. Doesn't mean he's not a good quarterback. He led his team to a championship, but he is not a franchise. You cannot win without them. And I think that exercise kind of helped prove it. That defense was absolutely berserko. Ken Walker could not be stopped, and you just needed to not make big mistakes. And unfortunately, in the same respect, Drake May did make mistakes, you know who should have. One of the big things.

[Scott Bogman]

You know who should have been the MVP of this game? Michael Dixon, the punter for the Seahawks. He pinned them inside the five, like, several times. Yeah, I mean, he was.

[Welsh]

I wish they would have given a punter the mvp. Greatest super bowl of all time. Everyone's like, if that game wasn't boring.

[Scott Bogman]

If that second half had been exactly like the first half, where it's all field goals like that Rams and. And Patriots Super Bowl. He might have gotten. He might have gotten the.

[Welsh]

Would that have gone down as the worst super bowl in history? That there were no turnovers in the first half? It was boring. There were no points. It was all field goals. And a punter made the MVP that would have been officially the worst Super Bowl.

[Scott Bogman]

It would have been. Yeah. But it didn't turn out like.

[Joey P]

And it would have been the first shutout too. No one's and no team still ever been shut out.

[Scott Bogman]

Time. Touchdown.

[Joey P]

So, yeah, you sure did. Sure did there, buddy. But look, credit to Sam Darnold. He made plays when he needed to. Credit Ken Walker and credit to that defense and. And Mike McDonald too. McDonald did a terrific job. It was funny too, because, you know, I want to flip this around too, because you could feel the conservative nature in the play calling on both sides. Especially in the first half too, where they were trying very much like, okay, this is defense is going to win this football game. We're just going to keep jockeying for position. But then at a certain point, it definitely felt like between the combination of the pressure and Drake may not feeling comfortable in the pocket, he started to, you know, not be able to deliver some of the simple throws. But also it just became too conservative where it's like, hey, this is the Super Bowl. It's a four down. You got to go for it. Hey, this is Super Bowl. There were a couple of moments in the second half especially was like, can we just please stop it? You know, you're behind. Let's try to win this game instead of trying not to lose it. I felt there was a little bit.

[Welsh]

Too much to your point. Really interesting thing is, is like how much have we talked all year long about every single team, it's fourth and three and going for the damn Campbells of the world have spread like a virus out there. And this was the anti that game. Like there was so much trust in defensively and those are the two teams.

[Joey P]

In the Super Bowl.

[Welsh]

Yeah. And it was just. It was a field goal. I mean, it wasn't a field goal. It wasn't in anything fest for the Patriots outside of not playing well. But like for the Seahawks, it was just like a field goal fest because they're like, we'll take our points every single time because our defense is going to hold us. It was so anti the 2025 season, this super bowl, which makes it kind of stand out as a little blish.

[Scott Bogman]

The aggressiveness was on the other side. Look at all the DB blitzes, Seattle. Look at all the pressures. And the Patriots are going after the ball on like every single play. They were trying to get that pick, which it's crazy. Sam Darnold had zero turnovers in the playoffs. None.

[Joey P]

What an incredible run box did you get? I got that feeling very early. On too. The Patriots are really keyed on it. Like the two early jumped routes that could have been picks there. All I can think of, he almost.

[Scott Bogman]

Pick six on his first pass.

[Joey P]

Right. And I kept thinking to myself, oh, they know exactly. They are locked in. They know these routes. You know exactly where it's going with the football. This is really dangerous territory for Sam Darnold and I think the coaching staff recognized that too. And Kubiak just dialed it back and they were like, okay, let's just keep giving a ball. And to Ken Walker's credit, his patience at the line was le'veon Bell esque. Like, yeah, slow playing of that. Like you just. He was standing still. I feel like in a couple times we were just standing there and waiting and then just running through. It was.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, it was great vision and patience. Yeah, I mean, that's. That's been Ken Walker for his entire career. The only reason that we haven't seen this is because they haven't done it on a national stage like this. And he keep. He kept getting hurt early in his career. So they brought in Charbonnet, who's just as good a back as Ken Walker. So really was an impressive performance from my guy, Kenny Walker. K9.

[Joey P]

All right, let's talk a little bit about some of the awards that were given out too, because with some controversy, Matthew Stafford won mvp. Not controversial, but it was very close. It was one vote different. And one person happened to vote for Justin Herbert and it was the scourge of the Internet for the weekend leading up to the Super Bowl. And the person who voted for Herbert, I believe is an international fellow came out. I mean, we'd all vote for her, I think, but the, the idea is that, you know, he laid out exactly why he thought he was the most valuable player. I don't disagree with some of the statements that he made. Playing hurt, playing with an offensive line, willing a team to the playoffs. I mean, you're playing with a broken hand. You're playing quarterback. That's pretty tough stuff right there. That is not comfortable. Non throwing hand. Broken hands are still, you know, broken hand that you're playing with. Do we give him credit, Welsh, for having the. The guts to publicly say, yeah, I'm the one who did it and this is why I did and this is my thought process and you can like.

[Scott Bogman]

It, or the Belichick voters?

[Joey P]

Or do you say, yeah, great and all, but that's stupid. You shouldn't have voted for Justin Herbert because he didn't have nearly this sort of Totals in terms of stats that a Drake May, a Josh Allen or a Matthew Stafford.

[Welsh]

Get the latter. It's stupid. It's. This is what it's not on the level of. I always have hated, like, what is it? The All Star Game in MLB voting where it's like, they let fans and stuff like that. But like, a lot of this.

[Joey P]

Yeah, those guys are idiots.

[Welsh]

They make the dumb Nomar Garcia para, like, years ago, and he didn't. It's just always stupid. But what I'm getting at is, like, a lot of this voting has also become a lot more publicized where some of these guys, like, get their rocks off. Like, is it. Wasn't it, like, Lebatard who did some stupid things?

[Joey P]

Yeah, he sold it.

[Welsh]

I'm not saying that this is the case, and I don't want to necessarily say, like, this person is uninformed, but there's just like, so much more yuckiness that's kind of involved in that. That maybe this was completely innocent and maybe they have their reasons for it, but it's just, like, wrong. It's categorically wrong. Like, it's not even a discussion point. Like, what Drake May did during the season. What Matthew Stafford did is just, like, universally better than Justin Herbert. Like, a wasted vote. Again, I guess I'm making cases that aren't. We don't know that that's the case with this person, but I feel like a lot of it has just gotten muddied. It's gotten watered down a lot for. For a myriad of different reasons. This person, to me, feels a little bit uninformed, maybe trying to make a statement. And then they got what outed. So then they get to be kind of like they get to make a little name off of themselves. Again, maybe that's not the case, but I think it's stupid. I. Herbert wasn't even in the discussion to me, and this race was so close. Those are the type of things that could have been between Drake May winning over Matthew Stafford. And frankly, I thought Drake May should have won it.

[Joey P]

So I still want. If I had a vote, I would have voted for Stafford because it does feel like we're at the very. I know he's coming back next year. That was the other big announcement. But it does feel like we're kind of at the end and it's kind of the last piece of that puzzle for him in a Hall of Fame career. And they should have had the three.

[Scott Bogman]

Of us vote then because you're. Drake May would have got. Won the MVP because I would have voted for him too. I think he did more with less right like he around him.

[Joey P]

I don't disagree with that statement but again he led, he led the league.

[Scott Bogman]

In scramble yards like he, he, he did everything he possibly could. So I would have voted for and.

[Joey P]

I think the negativity surrounding him after the end of this super bowl, the end of this playoffs I think is also now going a little too far.

[Scott Bogman]

He faced eye rolling.

[Joey P]

He faced all the best defenses in a row with a subpar offensive line and frankly still a a group of weapons that is lacking. Let's be honest. There's no A.J. brown like Stefan Diggs just has just.

[Scott Bogman]

Run Henderson more like I and and why he's getting the ball. My God. Yeah you know I just so but.

[Joey P]

There was also no wide receivers that created big separation of big plague. Those guys don't exist on the collins.

[Scott Bogman]

Right like Mac Hollins was your number two whiteout.

[Joey P]

So that's not better at that position.

[Scott Bogman]

So I mean it's just with this vote thing, I'll say this like if you're you lose by one vote, you weren't good enough to get there. Like if one vote costs you it you probably weren't good enough to get there. That's. That's kind of what it boiled down. So I don't care that this guy voted the way he wanted to. It's just a tight race and Drake May ended up losing. But like I said, you add the three of us who watch the NFL all year to the vote and Drake May is the MVP.

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[Welsh]

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[Joey P]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake.

[Joey P]

May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy Matthew Stafford. Where did Bo Nicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this. Stop. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro is crazy.

[Nav Green]

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Joey P]

Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it.

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For decades, people traveled across the world to see John of God, desperate for cures no doctor could offer. And when they arrived, they saw things they couldn't explain.

[Joey P]

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[Joey P]

One of the reasons why I never went to the police is because I.

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[Joey P]

Mouth, don't say anything.

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[Joey P]

Everybody in the chat, watching on Twitter and even, you know, if you're on the YouTube channel, drop your MVP vote. Who you would have voted for for MVP? Stafford May somebody else, you know, whoever your vote might have been. I'm just curious to see what those might be. Also, NFL hall of Fame was announced. So Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, obviously first ballot hall of Famers, no doubt about that. Luke Keakley, great career, but a short One a terrific player that I think, you know, if you, if you didn't watch him play, you didn't realize how dominant he was. But unfortunately, injuries were his undoing. And then Adam Vinitari, the biggest big game kicker of all time. I think it's easy to say. I don't think anyone would argue that. Deservedly so going in. And then you get Roger Craig, who I was shocked still, that wasn't in the hall of Fame. I was like, roger Craig's not in the hall of Fame. One of the. When I think of the 49ers and those teams they had, and especially that second, you know, not that first run they had, but that second run with Montana in that later 80s in the 87 to 89 range, man like Roger Craig, a guy who had a thousand yards receiving, a thousand yards rushing in the same year.

[Welsh]

First guy, he's the game up at the position.

[Joey P]

Like he gave us a modern day fantasy running back.

[Welsh]

Basically he was Marshall Faulk. He was Marshall Falk before Marshall Falk was Marshall Falk. You know what I'm saying? Like Falk was out there catching the ball out of the backfield. This was Roger Craig. Roger Craig. I think he wasn't the greatest running back of all time, but he was so uniquely different.

[Joey P]

Were you too young to watch him welsh? I don't remember. I know that a couple years difference.

[Welsh]

I can be honest with you. Like, I don't.

[Scott Bogman]

I vaguely remember Roger Craig. You know where I remember him is tecmo ball.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I mean, I don't like recall recall watching him though. Like, you know, what was it like the 89, 90 Super Bowls? I was like 7 and 8 or whatever. To be honest with you. Like Ricky Waters is a little.

[Joey P]

Right. That's where you're really checked in. End of the Montana, beginning of the Steve Young era.

[Welsh]

And I think that's an interesting thing though too is after Roger Craig came along, you started to see the running back position start to mold. The 49ers tried to mold back. Like here's our version, another version of Roger Craig and like Ricky Waters and stuff. So uniquely interesting. I thought it was a great class. I will be honest with you though. Like Luke Keakley was 100% in my time frame. I was like, really? Like, I don't. Maybe I need to go back and look. I just don't remember because it was cut short. It was cut short. I don't remember it being like concussions, I believe.

[Joey P]

No doubt it was concussion career.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah. Keakley was like dominant. He was so dominant in the center of that Panthers defense. It was like a nine year stretch where he was just that, that whole defense. He met everything better, he set everything up. You know, he's, he's a Hall of Famer.

[Welsh]

Do you guys at all have like a marker that you think dictates a Hall of Fame career? Like, I remember the trail day because wasn't Terrell. Dave. Okay, well, that's your answer. But Terrell Davis was like what, eight years or something like that. Like I feel like 10, three good years. Yeah. No, but it was like around for eight and I always thought that was weird. To me it's always like if you didn't play well for like, I feel like 10 years is what I'm looking for. Maybe it's like eight really good baseball.

[Joey P]

It's like 10 years. Football is so difficult because it is different. You know, the game is like, how do you. Great offensive lineman, right? Like that's, that's a difficult thing to do. You can do it now metrically, but it's hard. I think it's a, I think it's a matter of. To me it's a five year dominance. If you get the five year dominance, to me, where you are the best player at your position for five years, you're at least in the conversation.

[Welsh]

I feel like, I feel like that's now not in the 90s, but if.

[Scott Bogman]

You win, I, I think the, the deal there is, is, you know, you can have a shortened career, but if you win like multiple MVPs or you're the, in the MVP race a couple times, like I think defensive player of.

[Joey P]

The year one defensive player at least.

[Scott Bogman]

Once, probably a couple times. I'm not really sure how many times he won it, but he's always in that race. I think Terrell Davis was like in his big stretch of greatness. They went to the super bowl twice. He was the MVP. You know, he had over 2,000 rushing yards. Like he had, he had like a lot of those markers. So to me it's not like you.

[Joey P]

Don'T have a strong career.

[Scott Bogman]

You have to have a very dominant career for like a stretch of five or six years. I think the longevity helps you get in. It makes you a first ballot and all that. But I think if you have a dominant enough five to six seasons, you're probably going to get in. But I also think it's ridiculous that they only allow a certain amount of players in. Right?

[Joey P]

Yeah. So usually I think you just, you.

[Scott Bogman]

Are either a Hall of Famer or not. Right. I think it should work like the baseball hall of Fame voting, where, look, if you get 75% of the vote, you're in. It doesn't matter how many of you there are now in baseball, there's none of them get that right because they're notoriously hard. It's notoriously hard to get the vote to get into the hall of Fame in baseball. It's not that in football, but, you know, they limit it because the speeches are too long and it takes a couple days. Make it a damn week. Who cares if you need that. That much time? Who cares how much time you need? Like. Well, the limiting events on separate days.

[Joey P]

The plus of the limiting though, too is it gets you through those lean years where you don't have a good first ballot class. You know, like this year you had Larry Fitzgerald and Drew Brees. Like, duh. Like, obviously. But some years you're going to have ridiculous to.

[Scott Bogman]

To have it like that. Wouldn't it be better to have 14 in one year? 14 deserve to go and 2 the next year? If only 2 deserve.

[Joey P]

I don't.

[Scott Bogman]

I don't.

[Joey P]

I think I'm okay with a cap. I just. I just don't. I think the cap might be a little on the smaller end.

[Welsh]

I actually like football better than baseball. And by the way, I'm looking at Luke, I don't know. I'm not really sold. He did have 100 tackles every season of his career, but he only played eight years. He had one defensive player of the year. He won rookie of the Year and he did make the Pro Bowl. It's a.

[Joey P]

It's a good, really good defensive player of the year. Rookie of the year. Like the.

[Welsh]

But that's it.

[Scott Bogman]

He super bowl too. Luke Keakley, when they lost the Broncos, they didn't win.

[Welsh]

He had 12 career sacks. He did have more interceptions than sacks. I don't know. I guess, like I said, the eight years thing throws me off. Maybe that's just the weirdness in my brain of like, these guys. Like, I think the NFL loves that.

[Joey P]

The NFL loves the, the. The what if career shortened Gail Sayers, you know, what could have been had they played longer. They. They were. It's weird. The whole thing actually kind of rewards that between Terrell Davis and Gail Sayers and Keegan, the guys who had their careers shortened by a certain amount. But there was that. That bubble of greatness. It actually tends to favor some of these guys. I feel like here's some of our people here watching May for MVP Stafford, Stafford, Stafford. All Stafford. A lot of Staffords here as we go through. And that's. That makes sense. That's where I figured people were, but it definitely would have been close there. Also, speaking of Roger Craig and 49ers and all this stuff, great series that I just watched, by the way. It was on amc. I think you can watch it on prime or somewhere else like that. But it was the, the documentary about the rise of the 49ers. I told Welsh you should watch as a 49er fan. Really fascinating stuff. I'm a big Bill Walsh guy. I always like to read the Bill Walsh book. I got. I, I, I, I liked. I think Bill Walsh is on the Mount Rushmore of coaches in the NFL history.

[Scott Bogman]

To me, it's, to me that black and white.

[Joey P]

The, the, the. Yes. Is it black? No. To me, it's.

[Scott Bogman]

My team was last in the Super Bowl 45.

[Joey P]

Well, so 15 years it was. To me, it's Lombardi, it's Belichick, it's Bill Walsh. And then you can argue about the fourth one, because I think the fourth one's up for grabs. You could do a Chuck Noel. You could do a Don Shula if you want. Like, there's a couple guys you can like, kind of roll through there. But Bill Walsh is such a fascinating figure. And that whole story is so interesting, too, because it is. You know, it's funny because you get the reason behind the salary cap, you know, was the 49ers and they just kept paying everybody been keeping all the stars. They were great identifying talent and great keeping him because there was no town. Sounds a lot like another west coast team in another sport right now. That's driving everybody to a labor strike. But fascinating.

[Scott Bogman]

How many deferrals did the Niners have contracts?

[Joey P]

A few of them. But the other thing that I forgot as a child of the 80s, too, I remember the New York Giants beating them in San Francisco on their way to the super bowl and then eventually being the Bills. And I do remember them being the 49ers, but I forgot that they beat them twice in New York in the playoffs during that 80s run and held them to three points in each of those games. And those games were Bill Belichick. Defenses and lt, baby, the right. And the fact that Bill Belichick, you know, you look at the, you know, it's not just even the incredible body of work with the Patriots. You could say whatever you want about whatever other nonsense is fine. But he is the winningest coach of. In terms of Super Bowls and playoff appearances and all these things. And then you look at the body of work, even as a coordinator, how great he was. You can basically count on one hand the people who stopped the west coast offense. And I mean one hand because it's Belichick who did a couple times. It was the Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan Bears that did it. Right. So that's two people. Like there was pretty much nobody that was stopping that team. So it just kind of, it's so absurd. Welsh. I know we didn't talk about it last week that Belichick didn't get in there.

[Welsh]

It's just so stupid. It is his what's her name? Is Jordan the Yoko Ono of the NFL? Like did she single handedly just ruined Bill Bell like there's no reason outside of like how unlikable she is and her stuff in the takeover and this short little stint like is it great? He's the greatest coach you know in NFL history. And literally it comes down to Jordan or whatever her name is being the Yoko Ono of the NFL. That's all that I can put to it doesn't make sense.

[Joey P]

Boggs. It, it, it's such a bad look on the hall of Fame and I, I think I have to imagine that there had to be somebody inside this whole thing that could have slowed this train and said look, I don't care. Tony Dungey. If you didn't like Bill Belichick, I don't care whether you like. No, like this is just one of these things. Like go back into your room and vote again. That's what should have happened here because the bad publicity they got out of this was so stupid. And then what next year when he gets in like he's supposed to be all like. Not that he would be happy anyway because he's Bill Belichick. He's always miserable even though it's got.

[Scott Bogman]

Hopefully the girl will be gone at that at that point. Right. I think maybe that didn't help him for sure. But I'm, it's ridiculous that Bill Belichick is not a first ballot hall of Famer. He's one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL, if not the best coach.

[Welsh]

So all jokes aside, they were think I think they were tying it more to not it had nothing to do.

[Joey P]

With her.

[Welsh]

Cheating allegations.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, no, no, I, I, but I.

[Welsh]

Don'T think that's help. I think that's like right, right. Fuel to the fire of some of.

[Joey P]

It's one of many guys who got the Cleveland Browns into The playoffs and before they decided to up and move to Baltimore. But like people forget that too. That Browns team with, there was a good team with Test Averdi.

[Scott Bogman]

So I guess, I guess I didn't realize that Bill Belichick was so unlikable outside of like the press.

[Joey P]

By his peers. By his peers too.

[Scott Bogman]

Well, yeah, because, well, the press conferences were always like, like, you know, he was always gruff and short with the answers and all that stuff. And I always thought that was kind of hilarious. Right.

[Welsh]

Do your, do your impression.

[Scott Bogman]

Well, you know, we're going out here, we're gonna play Cincinnati this week and then we're just gonna move on. I don't have any face chat or snaps or any of that stuff.

[Joey P]

Snap book.

[Scott Bogman]

The snap book Football don't have any of the Snapple.

[Joey P]

My girlfriend's got the, the insta face.

[Scott Bogman]

So.

[Welsh]

Scott Voglichek, by the way.

[Scott Bogman]

Yeah, but, but so, you know, I, I knew that he was on disliked by some of those guys, but I didn't realize how much it was. But it's just like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens not making the hall of Fame every year. They're like, well, steroid guys are in there yet these guys were jerks to the guys that vote them in their entire career. So the first time you give them a chance to hold something over their head, they're not going to let you in. They're going to be vindictive. So it's, I, it wasn't that surprising with Clemens and Bonds and McGuire, the guys that were really terrible to the media but good to the fans. Now the fans are mad. I think everybody else that didn't like Belichick is kind of like, well, do.

[Joey P]

They have the balls to do it?

[Scott Bogman]

Smirking? Not a chance.

[Joey P]

No, I agree. I don't think they have the balls to do it to him, you know, and you can.

[Scott Bogman]

Well, but, but I also don't think Brady was terrible to a lot of the media. I'm sure he was to some especially.

[Joey P]

But like if you're holding against like scandals, let's just say, you know, and, and look, there's some scandal. Like I, I had no problem with people saying to, about Bonds and Clemens and the mlb, you're not a first ballot hall of Famer because of the stuff you did. But the fact that you're not a Hall of Famer is ridiculous. Like that, that to me is, to me there is a statement you can make with certain guys.

[Scott Bogman]

Look, it's ridiculous, but it can't be surprising for those. No, it's not for Belichick. It is. But. But for those guys, it's not surprising because of how they treated the people that vote. Yeah, that is. That's what it boils down to. Personal relationships. Why Nathaniel Hackett keeps getting hired, I'm sure.

[Joey P]

Oh, my God. We're going to talk about that later in the show. Holy crap. Holy crap.

[Scott Bogman]

All right.

[Joey P]

Before I have to put a pause in that because I'm going to have. I'm going to have some sort of episode. If we talk about now we pace ourselves. 10 deep breaths is the end of the year. This is our last show of the season. Of course we will be back. There's always a brief hiatus in this time of year. We'll come back around, you know, springtime here and I think it's always we need to do the takeaways here on the show. We do, you know, moments and things like that. I don't know if you guys have a takeaway from the 2025/2026 season, but my big takeaway is we have reached peak NFL parody. There was not one dominant team this year, I think start to finish, which made for every week to be a little bit more interesting. But I do think it is kind of fun when you have some dominant teams and, you know, Mahomes and Josh Allen at their peak with their great teams playing each other like those are the games. When you go back again, 49ers and Dallas Cowboys in the 90s playing each other every NFC championship game. I like that. I do like still having that. And to me, this was the year where we really didn't have a truly dominant team. And I'm not trying to take a shot at the Seahawks here. Seahawks deserve to win. They earn that. They were great. But it's hard. I don't think anybody. Again, both these teams would probably be.

[Scott Bogman]

Bottom 10 of like all but bog.

[Joey P]

Both of these teams going into the year. Vegas said it 8 1/2 wins as a total, the Seattle Patriots and nobody believe in Sam Darnold and people didn't believe that, you know, the Patriots could turn around. So you can't tell me here. Well, that either of these teams were dominant. They weren't. Boggs, do you have a certain takeaway here from this season that you would throw out? There is like an overarching kind of look.

[Scott Bogman]

We need another bye week for these guys. They're. They are exhausted at the end of the year and I think we're going to get it, you know, and it's going to come at the expense of an international game for every team most likely. Like I just don't know when we're going to get it. But in is probably going to screw up the playoffs for us too because they're going to be bye weeks in the playoffs. So it's something that we'll have to pay attention to in fantasy. But these guys are dropping like flies, right? Bo Nicks could make it through the season. Honestly, speaking of parody, it might come down to who is healthiest at the end of the season. A lot of the time here the way these guys are dropping. So. So that was kind of my overarching takeaway for the year.

[Joey P]

Welsh, you have a takeaway from the season here as we close the books.

[Welsh]

Yeah, Dev said something kind of interesting in the comments where he said no dominant offenses and it makes me kind of come back to think of what we talked about earlier with the super bowl that you know what was that it was the least aggressive super bowl that we'd ever seen offensively and compared to the entire season as well. I think you know every annoying announcer is like well next gen analytics says they're all smarmy about like it says to go for it but like I wonder, I wonder where the change is going to happen because everyone was going for it with only probably very few dominant offense. You could have said the Lions were there for obviously the Rams were there for a decent amount. But you know in the AFC there really wasn't like big dominant offenses. But at the same token I'm not sure there were dominant defenses. So I just wonder if we're at an impasse because I by the way, I think your your parody side to it is like a really good anecdotal take to the season. But I wonder if we're at an impasse where the NFL in like the grand scope is trying to figure out is it going to get back to like this pass offensive heavy, not even just pass, but offensive heavy league that's going to lie a lot on like what analytics are saying going for 4th and 2 and 4th and 3 and the Dan Campbell's of the world or after seeing the super bowl and what just happened in these dominant defenses with porous offenses take field goals, control the clock if maybe because of the lack of some of the dominant offenses we see kind of a revert into like old school 90s football, early 90s football of like more heavy defensive side.

[Scott Bogman]

I think to your point Welsh, a lot of teams are trying to copycat what the Eagles just did to the Chiefs which is exactly that. It's play very strong defense, run the crap out of the ball and pass when you need to.

[Joey P]

Yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

So I think we saw that Seattle copied that and one with it. So I think you're right. I think we are going to see that, you know, what type of offense and there's not good enough quarterbacks to run.

[Joey P]

That was going to be my point to Welsh's point there. I think it's also because you're seeing a little bit of a. Of a downturn quarterback play. You're seeing the. The dawn of the athletic quarterback that doesn't read defenses very well, that doesn't sit in the pocket and look for the different levels that can't, you know, necessarily get out of their own way sometimes.

[Scott Bogman]

So Anthony Richardson and.

[Joey P]

And also a lot of quarterbacks that don't have a lot of reps that come into the NFL, they play a little bit in college, they come into the NFL and it's funny because everybody took shots at Tyler Shock because he's old and all these things. You know what? Tyler Shuck got better every week and Tyler Shuck looks like he's probably going to be the quarterback next year. And Tyler Schuck look comfortable. I think some of these guys with enormous arm talent or enormous athleticism, they have to learn the position on the fly at the NFL level as opposed to getting those reps in college. And then they're also getting these reps in college. Bogs. It's so many different places because they transfer this way, this way. Like, there's no consensus, but at least.

[Scott Bogman]

They'Re getting those starts in. Right? But.

[Joey P]

Yeah, but Bill Gas.

[Scott Bogman]

But Bill Parcell said this. We want guys that have started 30 games in college. Right? That's what we want. And you're going to get a lot of that because of nil. Now, they might not all be in the same system right at the same place with the same coaches, but you are going to get a lot of reps and a lot of experience from these guys. Like Cam Ward. You know, Cam Ward started at, you know, low level and moved up two levels before going to the NFL. And he started every year, so that's why he was the number one overall pick.

[Welsh]

We need to also, I think the last thing is rethink the Pro bowl and it needs to be scrapped completely that they put Shador Sanders in the Pro Bowl. Oh, well, that's starting. Like, like we watched the dumbest. It is the dumbest thing on.

[Joey P]

No, no, no. The flag football game was great. My daughter And I sat and watched the entire flag football game.

[Welsh]

But you, you coach flag football, Joe, you are very specific to this.

[Joey P]

But here's the thing. You're missing out of this because, again, you're into this. My daughter watched that start to finish because she plays flag football. And there's a lot of girls that play flag football that enjoy watching these NFL guys without their helmets on. They see their faces playing flag football and they get a kick out of seeing them not be able to do the things that they do. Like my daughter screaming at the thing. Why doesn't he try to put a move on him? Why is he trying to turn his hips and pull the flag around? Why is it like all these little things that we tell. You know, it was funny to watch her get up in arms watching the flag football game going well. Like, he clearly doesn't know the rule there. Or like, you know, stuff like that. That is fan engagement on different level. I love the flag football.

[Scott Bogman]

They're not getting rid of that flag football game.

[Joey P]

And they're not because of the Olympics and because NFL flag is going. Flag is going into ncaa. You already gave out the first scholarship. Is going into the high schools. And I think you will see. You know, I. I think it's a great event. I think it's fun. I think it brings out a lot of personality, the players. It was very entertaining. I never watched the Pro bowl ever. It was always trash. I'd watch it for two seconds and turn it off all the time. I've watched every single one of these flag football events, and they are super fun. And it was before I was really into really coaching these, as hardcore as I am currently. So I respectfully, that is a really smart thing the NFL is doing because it's engaging a bunch of these other people who play flag, and especially the female audience who plays flag very competitively, that they see the NFL superstars trying to play the game that they play every week and not always play it as well, necessarily in terms of, you know, doing it all the way the right way they should. All right, let's do a little fact or fiction here. Fact or fiction? Bill Belichick next year will be introduced by his girlfriend at the hall of Fame. Fact or fiction. What do you say that she gives the speech to introduce him?

[Scott Bogman]

Not a chance in hell. No way.

[Joey P]

So fiction? Welsh.

[Welsh]

No.

[Joey P]

For spite.

[Welsh]

No chance.

[Scott Bogman]

Unless she's blackmailing him. That will not happen. And if she does that, he needs to blink twice for sure. He needs to send some Morse code because he is Being blackmailed.

[Joey P]

All right, I added that one in. It's not in the same sheet, but we were talking about it and I thought about it while we're having that conversation. All right. Fact or fiction? Matthew Stafford will regret coming back for 2026. He should have just walked away while he was still intact. Welsh, what do you think? Fact or fiction?

[Welsh]

I mean, like, are you saying that because he's not going to be as good or something like that.

[Joey P]

You know, he's. He's got all these kids. He, you know, he didn't practice, he didn't play at all in the preseason with the back. About the back. I'm just saying, like, sometimes you stay at the dance one year too long. Just ask Tom Brady. Sometimes you got to leave while you're still at the top of your game as opposed to trying that one more year. That one more year oftentimes bites players in the ass.

[Welsh]

Okay, I'll, like, be contrary to this, like, because I think, like, as a general statement, like, no, he's still going to be good. Just make a bunch of money. But, like, do I think he'll win mvp? No. Do I think the Rams are going to be the top of the division? No. Do I think they can find some more struggles? Yes. So I think from, like, those markers, like, could he have gone out winning an MVP or is he going to go out being, like, you know, maybe knocked out of the first round or not making the playoffs or going against Seattle? The 49ers are going to revamp their defense. Like, it's going to be a tough division. So, like, by that marker, I will say, yes, like, that will be a regret. But, like, generally I kind of don't, like, he's going to be fine. I mean, unless his back blows up or something, I think he'll be fine. But, like, based on those markers, like.

[Joey P]

Yeah, it's going to be dog's fact or fiction. Stafford will regret returning.

[Scott Bogman]

Just want an MVP. He's fine. He has Sean McVay. They have a good old line. They have good receivers and a good running back. Like, what are we talking about? Fix Absolute fiction.

[Joey P]

Spoken like a fan that doesn't have a quarterback. Look, are you kidding me? Go to Pittsburgh. I will bleed for you. Matthew Stafford, black and gold. All right.

[Scott Bogman]

How do I donate my spine?

[Joey P]

Fact or fiction? Matt Nagy, as offensive coordinators already soured me on the New York Giants offense. What do you think? Bog's fact or fiction? Am I sour?

[Scott Bogman]

I have not soured on Malik, Neighbors, Jackson, Dart and Cam Scatter. Boo.

[Joey P]

So no, because it soured though. That's the question. Sour Joe.

[Welsh]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Bogman]

Has it? Has it sour joke then? Yes, probably.

[Welsh]

The fact that it's sour Joe. It is definitely sour Joe.

[Joey P]

I'm trying so hard to fight through it. Is it soured, you guys? I mean, be honest.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I don't like the Matt nagging.

[Scott Bogman]

I don't care. Like as long as he's not head coach, I don't give a crap.

[Joey P]

Like Adam Case just got hired today too. Did you see that? Past game coordinator for the Chargers.

[Welsh]

Oh, let's go talk about Justin Herbert. Let's go talk about. What did he do again? He was just like his eyeballs were bugging out.

[Joey P]

We had some sort of. He has a condition, which means we're gonna get a comment. Don't make fun of somebody's condition. Look, we're having fun here. I have a condition.

[Scott Bogman]

I'm bald.

[Joey P]

People make fun of me all the time. I just take it. It's not a big deal, okay? It happens. Let's move on with our lives. Let's get a little tougher. Fact or fiction? The NFL will have 17 international games by the year 2030.

[Welsh]

I saw that. I almost got in super trouble. I almost got.

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, it's going to be by 2028.

[Welsh]

Joe, by the way, I didn't hear what you said.

[Scott Bogman]

Every single team will have an international game by in two years.

[Joey P]

Well, I'm just saying every single week there will be one. That's, that's what I'm getting because I.

[Scott Bogman]

Feel like we're pushing and every team.

[Joey P]

Every team will be probably every team at some point. But every week that is, that's.

[Welsh]

I don't know if we can. I don't think it's possible. All they do is keep adding weeks. Like we're going to be playing a 28 week.

[Scott Bogman]

You're going to add a bi week so that teams going on this international trip will have their bi week the week after. Most likely.

[Welsh]

I, I think we will. We're going to get up in the next five years to like we're going to have 12 plus games.

[Scott Bogman]

As long as they're on it 2am how many do we have going on?

[Welsh]

I think nine.

[Joey P]

We have nine.

[Welsh]

Nine international.

[Joey P]

So again, I'm giving it till 2030 to get 17. I think it's fact. I think they will get to one a week. You know, not. We'll have 17 international games, not 18 because they'll have the last week. Everybody will be home. I think for that last week they're on.

[Scott Bogman]

I think. I think by 2030 they're going to add one more week, even though the players do not want it. And the PA is going to fight, fight, fight against it, but they're going to add it and then you're going to have two bye weeks for every team as well. So just.

[Welsh]

I'm holding so much back. Be proud of me.

[Joey P]

All right. Fact or fiction? Max Crosby will be a Raider in 2026.

[Welsh]

Fiction box.

[Joey P]

Fiction, fiction, fiction.

[Scott Bogman]

I think. I think he throws a fit together.

[Welsh]

Report. He already said that. Told. I mean, it's all stupid reports, but report was he told Tom Brady he wants out the way it ended. I think I don't blame the way he's a Raider.

[Joey P]

I don't blame him. He wants to play football. They didn't want to let him play football. And he was healthy and he loves Rabel. All those interviews where he's talking about Variable. Oh, my God, Variable. Jeez. He loves.

[Welsh]

You see though, that they're gonna want like a Parsons type return. It's like.

[Joey P]

Yeah, well, I don't think they're gonna get that.

[Scott Bogman]

No.

[Joey P]

He's not as young, you know, or as versatile as Parsons. All right, last one here. I said I would save it for the end factor. Fiction. Nathaniel Hackett is exactly what's wrong about NFL coaching. Well, fact of fiction.

[Scott Bogman]

Wrong.

[Joey P]

Yeah. In terms of these same guys keep getting opportunities after opportunities after opportunities, even though when they have proven that not only they are bad at their job, they are awful at their job. And sometimes the nepotism of the name or just the fact that, well, you're in the NFL circle gets you a job and I hate it.

[Welsh]

I don't know. Sometimes those guys, like, how many have we seen those guys that are in the big decision making roles just completely flounder. And then when they're put kind of in a coaching subordinary role of like they're just hyper focused into one way. Like they do understand. I guess it's a general, like, I'll.

[Joey P]

Say, yeah, like it was a disaster with the Jets.

[Welsh]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a Hackett guy. I don't know how that keeps happening there. There is a point where it's like, there looks like there's plenty of good new blood in the NFL that's floating around to give opportunity. Why do we keep giving failures the opportunity? But yeah, I'll say.

[Joey P]

Fact. Bods.

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, I think this just shows that people like working with Nathaniel Hackett. Right? I don't know that it's so much of a boys club. If he's not getting the results and he, you know, he's not getting the results and people don't like him, he's never going to get hired again. Obviously people like him.

[Welsh]

So he knows something though. Maybe.

[Scott Bogman]

I mean, that's possible too, but I mean also, can we get a list of the quarterbacks that Nathaniel Hackett has had to work with? Haven't they been Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers? Aaron Rodgers at the end of his career and then Russell Wilson at the end of his career.

[Welsh]

Isn't he signing off on that?

[Joey P]

I don't know, man. I just think that like you're right. You could try to pull some great young offensive mind from somewhere and give him an opportunity from college even. Like I know nobody would dare wants to pull somebody from college into the NFL anymore. That used to be the, the path for always. And then eventually it stopped.

[Scott Bogman]

And I thought this was because he was like quarterback coach. And then he moved to OC like the next week. I thought that's what you mean.

[Joey P]

I don't know. But I just think this is, I, I that like the Matt Nagy one set me off and then the Hackett one just knocked me off the couch altogether.

[Scott Bogman]

I am surprised that like Matt Nagy and Eber Fluss and these guys that have been known to miss meetings with their quarterbacks, like that's ridiculous. What are you, what are you talking about? Like, if you're the quarterback whisperer and you have a young quarterback, your first job is to coach the quarterback before media, before the rest of the team, before anything else. Fix the quarterback. So yeah, that is surprising.

[Welsh]

Our, our buddy Metal James in the comments. The last comment since I know we're coming to an end here, says approximately when do you think some Keeper content comes out? Well, you may not know this. Metal James and everybody else may not know this. We've got a brand new Dynasty channel over on YouTube. YouTube.com I think it's fantasypros dynasty. Go and subscribe today. Awesome new content. I think Boggs is on there everybody. All the Dynasty stuff. So if you're looking for Keeper and Dynasty content, go follow the new channel. I think we like four videos up. So be on the lookout for great new stuff. Even though out of bounds is taking its little slumber.

[Joey P]

It's a little slumber time where we slumber a little bit. Who knows, maybe we'll, they'll throw us on here for free agent stuff or things like that. But want to. Of course we got our MLB channel going, too. We got a lot of exciting stuff happening in the NFL world this year with us at Fantasy Pros too. Another big channel launching, too. We're not going to talk about it yet, but it's going to be very exciting. But again, shout out to everybody who's joined us live all season here on our twitch again, twitch TV. Fantasy pros subscribe there. Subscribe to the YouTube channel and of course the podcast feed too. We really appreciate you guys being part of the show. This is our show. Not just hours, but ours in terms of you guys, the audience as well. This is the only real interactive show here that we do in terms of podcasts and you guys make the show and a lot of the comments, a lot of the questions, a lot of the interaction. So we appreciate you hanging out with us. That'll do it for us for the 2025, 2026 NFL season. But we will be back. The NFL draft is around the corner and we got a lot of football to talk about here in the off season. But the story of the game, of course, will go on. For the Welsh, it's got Bogman. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time, kids.

[Scott Bogman]

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[Joey P]

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[Scott Bogman]

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