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Super Wildcard Weekend Recap | Out of Bounds (Ep. 1933)
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This is an iHeart podcast.
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Guaranteed Human.
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Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is out of bounds. It is me, Joey P. Joe P. Zeppia with me as my best friend, Scott Bogman. It's all of you hanging out on the Twitch. Twitch TV Fantasy Pros. That's the place to be and of course watching on our YouTube channel as well. Subscribe to everything. Get rid of those nasty commercials on the Twitch. Amazon prime subscribe five bucks. Boom, you're done, you're moving on. We got baseball here on the Twitch. We got everything going on on the Twitch. And also our live stream on betting pros was on the Twitch this past week as well. Scott Bogman and I were doing the Rams Carolina Panthers game. So we want to hang out with us this week on Saturday and watch some more football. You can. Scott Bogman. You know, oftentimes the term super doesn't really, you know, always fit. Super wild card weekend was super. It was great. It really was start to and it hasn't finished yet. We still got one more game. You're Steelers tonight. But this was a really entertaining of football all the way around. I hope people like well the Patriots game is boring. Not if you love defense. I love defense. Got bog me loves defense. We like people getting hit around. It was a great weekend of football. Saturday, Sunday, that was the worst game.
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And that game was still pretty good, right? Like the Chargers were still alive because it was so low scoring late.
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So it was the only game settled by more or than more than a touchdown ironically. And there's only one touchdown scored in that game.
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So think the first three games, all the the team with the lead with two minutes left lost in the first.
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But isn't that crazy? The game was one touchdown scored in. It was the biggest margin of victory. I don't even know how that happens, but it did. And again, if, if you like, if you like defense, that was a defense again. The, the Charger defense played great. Patriots defense played better. The term warrior gets thrown around too much. I want to just shout out Justin Herbert because I thought all year that dude played great football. All the injuries to the offensive line, the injuries to some wide receivers, the injuries to the running backs, injuries to himself, the broken hand, the whole thing. That guy got lit up last night and he kept coming back for more. That was a very, very Warrior esque performance last night by her.
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I mean the Chargers fans are so sick of hearing about that. Right? Like, and to their credit it's understandable because Philip Rivers towards ACL had the Warrior performance and they didn't win. Justin Herbert has a warrior performance all year, like every year they play because he keeps getting beat up and they don't win. So I know that the Chargers fans are sick of hearing that. But look, the defense for the Patriots was the story of that game. It really was. They confused him on every blitz. They had free rushers that felt like whenever they wanted and they just harassed, harassed, harass. And that's how you get the largest margin of victory in the game with the fewest scores, because the Chargers just could not move the ball against that Patriots front at all. So, you know, got back in it with a big penalty late. The Chargers did. But that was. That game was decided pretty quick. So what wasn't decided, Joe, was the game that you and I were broadcasting for, for the first half and we were kind of like, ah, this second half, it's going to be all Rams. It was not.
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It was, my Lord, it was not. I went to a bar with a buddy of mine to watch the rest of that game right after, went to go grab some food, watch the rest of the game. And you know, my fear was, and we talked about on the show that the Rams kind of let them at this, at the end of the first half, mentally back in that game. They let the crowd back in that game. They had that punt go off the face mask of atn. All they do was just take a three points, quiet everybody up, shut everybody. Instead, they go for it on the fourth down, like everybody wants to do nowadays. They don't get it. The crowd get, gets back in it. They march down the field, they get another seven like that. That's the problem, right? He's like, when you have your foot on the gas and I literally talk about it on Sundays when I'm coaching. I talked about it yesterday. We were up 20 to nothing in the first half of that game. Second half, I said, look, now you're going to play like you have a lead. You don't let them up off the floor. You can give up five yards, you can give up 10 yards. You don't let them get over the top of you. You don't let anyone have big plays. You pull flags. You keep them in front of you. That's what you do, right? You play Sig.
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The standard is a standard. We play to the standard. That's doesn't matter what the situation is.
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Exactly.
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Play to the standard.
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You're playing the clock and the crowd and everything as much as you're playing the other team in the Playoffs.
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You and I disagreed on that, on going four on fourth, because I thought, look, you're, you're a big favorite. To that point, the Panthers had not moved the ball at all. Right? So I think to that point you go, okay, well what's the worst that happens? And if I miss it here, they haven't been moving the ball at all. But because it was, wasn't more than a one score game, the Panthers went right down and put points on the board. It was the worst case scenario that you could have possibly had in that, in that situation. It was a free drive for them because ETN fumbled the ball on the punt. Right. So I think that is also another time where you risk it. But it was proven throughout that game and that's the reason why that game was so tight. They should not have gone for it. They should have taken the points and pushed them back again. So.
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All right, a lot of Bears love here and of course we have RZ here who says Bears fan here. How nervous should I be about facing the Rams? I'm not feeling great about it. Well, that was the game of the weekend. I'm sorry. No matter what anybody tells me, when you score 25 points in the fourth quarter of a game and if a comeback like that, there's only thing we could do about it is bring in our incredible producer Seth, who is our resident Bears fan, who's wearing his Bears hat, his Bear sweatshirt, his Bears under roofs. He's got everything on. Seth, I heard it's going to be possibly one or two degrees on Saturday when the Rams have to come to town. I think as a Bears fan, you kind of like the weather situation and I kind of like the home field advantage there against those LA Sunshine boys. What you think about that game? Did you recover from all of the, the drama? Did you turn it off and wake up the next morning? Seth, bring me through. Walk us through your barrel of emotions from Saturday night.
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Well, I think I'm still a little bit hungover, to be honest with you, from the, from the festivities that took place afterwards. I mean, we went through, I mean, we went through all the stages of grief. I mean, I think I accepted at the start of the third or the fourth quarter that they probably weren't going to win. And then the, the madness just ensued. I'm surprised there wasn't an earthquake in Chicago with the fans going nuts after the DJ more touchdown. And you're right. I'm hoping the arthritis kicks in for Matt Stafford in the cold weather in, in Chicago. You know, old Man, Stafford happened to go play outdoors. I think we got a shot. You know, I think we're right to be underdogs, but, man, you got to believe in this team. If you don't believe in this team, you're not a real Bears fan. This if, if there's any time to believe that anything is possible, you know, channeling my inner Kevin, Kevin Garnett. Anything is possible with this Bears team. We have a shot. Let's go, Bears. I'm all in, baby.
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Just like that. Bears fans become irrational.
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There you go.
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Listen to that.
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Good Morning Football did a great.
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Kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
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Kyle Brandt did a great bit where he collected. He had his producers collect all the negative tweets about the Bears at halftime. I don't know if you saw this. It was so good. Shout out.
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How much Surrender cobra. How much of this did you see from Bears fans in the stands going.
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Crazy about the defense, going crazy about this and that? All these things like, and it was hilarious. One guy screenshotted a, a, a a DM conversation between like, him and his brothers on text and screenshotted it and sent it to Kyle and it was all about Bears suck. I can't believe we fell over this again. All this stuff. He's like, I'm screenshotting this and I'm sending it to Kyle Brandon, like, haha, whatever. And of course they put it on tv. Hilarious. Well done. But it was, look, Caleb Williams giveth. Caleb Williams taketh away. And sometimes every now and then he giveth again. Loveland was terrific in that game. The defense really stepped up at the end. Jordan Love had a great game. He fell a little short. But I'll tell you what, Bogs, you know, the other thing about that is we. I love sportsmanship. I love when everybody's like, good game at the end. The other thing I also love, which you don't have a lot of in the NFL now, is teams that genuinely don't like each other and real rivalries. That's where the money is and that's where the ratings are. And you're starting to feel like little brother is starting to feel tough and putting their chest out. And the Bears packers is hot. That's a rivalry, like, typically, like, I could care less about. I'm from New York. I don't care about the Bears and the Packers. But you know what? When there's a little bit of, you know, blood spill in there and a lot of, like, vitriol, I'm in. I like this renewed vigor of this rivalry, which has been kind of DOA for the last like 20 years. Let's be honest.
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You know, it felt like a curse breaking win. Right. Like, like regardless of what the Bears do moving forward, that is what this felt like. Now we've had these come before and you know, nothing, nothing comes from them. Right. Because remember the Browns last playoff victory? Yeah. That's my buddy Jesse.
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If I ever. Matthew Stafford and Clayton Kershaw, he's a Dodgers fan.
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So every time Clayton Kershaw does something, he has to hear about Matthew Stafford and vice versa for Rams fans. But you know, we did see the Browns go to Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers, but then, you know, their cursory nude when they got rid of Baker. Right. Obviously the Bears aren't getting rid of Caleb Williams, so you might see a bit of a shift. I know that packers fans are sick of Rich Passaccia, the highest paid special teams coordinator in the league. And this team keeps having problems on special teams. But a miss extra point, I miss field goal.
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Guess what?
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That's the difference in this game right there.
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Because like the field goal, okay, whatever s happens, the extra point changed so much the dynamic of the last drive of that game because they move the football fine. They could have got into field goal range where you try to get to field goal range. That's easy. When you're trying to score on the last drive, that's hard. That's a difficult thing. I want to get to some of the other games too. Let's talk a little bit about Bills, Jaguars. Look, Jaguars had a shot here and they had the ball at the end and oh, you know, so frustrating to watch the first play on what could be like the drive that makes Trevor Lawrence like, okay, we're franchise QB Trevor Lawrence now. To throw a pick on that one was just misery. It was such a, such a letdown to what was a pretty entertaining game. Josh Allen got beat up, but Josh Allen prevailed once again. Put on the superhero cape and kept going. What'd you think of that performance by Allen and the Bills and what you saw from the Jags?
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Yeah, I mean, gutty performance by the Bills to go on the road. And I think they said it's their first road playoff during their last six road playoff games or whatever. So huge win to get over that hump and to go south. Right. Like it's, it's hard for teams to go up north. It's hard for teams like that to go south sometimes and, and deal with the heat. But great performance by them. I'll say this like I. The Jaguars had an excellent, excellent season, and they, they're sitting in the catbird seat of this division as well. Houston is obviously going to be a problem, but we don' know what's going to go on with the quarterback situation for the Colts. Right. And the Titans are down right now, so they're rebuilding. So I think the Jaguars have to feel good. I really did like the reporter, the, the, the lady that was telling Lee, Liam Cohen, to keep his head up and how he did a great job. And this is one of the best seasons in Jaguars history and all that stuff. It was, that was nice because you do have to keep perspective because it absolutely was one of the best Jaguars seasons ever.
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And you feel so good about going into 2026. So if you're Liam Cohen with the squad, you've got, with the picks, you've got, like, you finally get Trevor Lawrence.
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A legitimate NFL play caller, right? Not Urban Meyer, not the ghost of what Nick Foles did in a playoff run with Peterson. Right. So you get him a legit NFL play caller, and he plays way better, and the whole team plays better. Cause that defense has always had teeth. They just were. Had to be on the field for 40 minutes a game. So now that the offense is humming a little bit. Yeah, the Jaguars are a dangerous team moving forward. And that was probably like the two heaviest hitters of the weekend outside of maybe Green Bay and Chicago. Yeah.
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Hey, look, Bill's going on the road again to Denver. We'll see how that works out. That should be interesting. The other game here in the afternoon, I did not see this one. I was working at the time, coaching, you know, shaping the youth of America in the sport of football for a couple hours. So I missed most of the 49ers Eagles game. I came home, watched the highlights like everybody else, but ran to the grocery store today, pick up a couple of things for dinner, for tonight, for the children. And I heard the cashier muttering under her breath about A.J. brown. And it was hilarious because I live in, I live in Central Ish, New Jersey, and there's, you know, the Giants fans, there's Eagles fans a lot of. And she like. So of course I, you know, poked a little bit and said, hey, you know, one last year, I, of course I did because I wanted to hear the, I wanted to hear the hate from the, from the Eagles fan, the frustration. And boy, oh boy, you know, you gave her an inch, she took a mile. And she just was like, I had to go for a walk. I'm so sick of A.J. brown's nonsense. I mean, I love him, but I hate him. And I just want, you know, I want him to just go already and this and that and, you know, the frustrations and take Petula with you and all that. Like, she was just. Oh, my God. It was just, it was hilarious. As if they didn't just win the super bowl in historic ass kicking fashion just a year ago, but, you know, it is. What have you done for me lately? Jalen hurts, not his best performance. Terrible injury for George Kittle. So that's going to put him in a fantasy perspective. Like, honestly, I don't know about you, Boggs. He's off my draft board. Like, I'm not touching him coming off the.
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I mean, there's a chance he retires. That's a major injury, right? So to rehab, that, to come back, you know, and to know that you're at the end is. Is a tough situation. So. And I already saw, you know, before this, I was. Some mock drafts, a lot of Kenyan sadiq buzz to the Niners here, which makes sense to replace George Kittle now that he had the Achilles tear as well. So, you know, this game was really just. It was the Niners defense taking a massive jump up with Eric Kendricks, really. I mean, we know that the Eagles have had, that they have had issues the entire season. Everybody, like you said, wants Tulia fired. It hasn't looked great. Saquon had a ton of carries, but their opportunities were just missed. They dropped past AJ Brown with just a massive drop after he and Sirianni got in a fight on the sidelines, screaming in each other's faces. So it's a bad look. I mean, I know you like to stoke those flames for A.J. brown because he needs to be catching passes from Drake May next year. So, hey, man, I think, I think that could easily happen because he is gone.
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But he's not a gone free agent gone. He is still.
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He's gonna get traded.
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So. Yeah, so.
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And it's just like Devonte Adams, I feel like he's gonna, he's gonna, he's.
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Gonna want to go where he wants to go. But the Eagles, if they know he wants to go somewhere, they're going to try to rake somebody over the coals. However, it's an untenable situation. So I'm not sure who has the leverage here if it's Brown, if it's the Eagles, if it's the other team trading for him. But we all know Variable loves him. We all know he loves Rabel, it was very upsetting when they traded. He was visibly upset when that trade was made for the draft time. And Traylon Burks was the replacement concept. Rabel, that was a. You can actually mark that as the beginning of the end of his tenure with the Titans. I feel like that A.J. brown trade, you could circle that as like, that is when the downward spiral began. And it never recovered and hasn't recovered since for the Titans.
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But Brown, Arthur Smith is still living off of, you know, throw the ball to AJ and hand the ball to Derek Henry. Yes, that was a great performance. That's what you should do. I mean, look, I think Arthur Smith is still a decent coach. Quarterbacks improve under him. I hate his system. I don't like it. So it's just too run heavy for the current NFL in my opinion. But, you know, that game was. It was back and forth. The Juwan Jennings play was amazing. That passed Christian McCaffrey, great play. And Shanahan just had all the right calls, right. And the Eagles could not match at home. So I think we knew. We knew. I think the road is short for either one of these two teams. I think the Niners are too banged up to really make an impact moving forward. A deep playoff run here. And I think the Eagles were too tired and too vanilla on offense to make a run this year. They are not what they were last year. But hard to blame the fans for being upset at that because you're in the window, right? You're in the window. You should have multiple shots to win this thing. This is a year that you have a shot because you're in the playoffs, the division was bad. And you go out with that without even a whimper in the first round at home. Just kind of a real tough performance. Us Dealers like playoff performance for the Philadelphia Eagles here, I don't like.
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And I was dead wrong. I thought the Eagles would win this game. I thought. I thought they would flip the switch. I was. And I'll. And I'll own it. You know, I like the I told you so. I love being right. In the words of Terrell Owens, I love me some me. But I did wrong.
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This is the part about Welsh moving today. I guarantee you this is why he's the most upset, because he doesn't come get to come in here and rub it in your face that you were wrong about Designers winning.
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I know. And I'm very glad he's on the.
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Most unfortunate part of his move.
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The only reason I'm here today is because I knew he wasn't going to be. And that was going to work out my favorite, but my team advanced, his team advanced. So now it's up to you tonight. So we'll see how that goes. We're going to get Bog's temperature on that game, but again, it's a tremendous wild card weekend. It was kind of an odd regular season, so I was hoping the postseason would make up for it. And it has so far. So far post season's been brilliant. And the fact that we don't have that dominant quote unquote team, you know, there's no Chiefs of a couple years ago or 49ers or a couple years ago or Tom Brady Patriots floating around like that doesn't exist. So you have this feeling that anything can happen at any given time. So that's going to be super fun to check out. All right.
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By the way, just in the background, A.J. brown is under contract through 2029 with the Eagles. $72 million dead cap hit for 2026.
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Well, they're not releasing him. He's going to get traded and it's just going to be a matter of what are they, what do they want for him? Who's got the need? You know, like, Stefan Diggs has been a model citizen as a player. As a citizen, he is far from a model. Therefore, like, I think that there's going to be a gap there where you want to give their weapons, you know you want it. I mean, I don't think A.J. brown is done. Do you like? No, no.
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I don't think he's done at all.
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No, no.
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But I do think you need him off this team. You cannot keep having this in the locker room unless you're not going to keep Sirianni. And I know there's. Sirianni's a hothead.
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You can't win a Super bowl and then next year fire that.
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I agree.
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Come on, you won your division. I agree.
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But I. But I think this has come to a head where it needs. One of these guys needs to go. And I think to you and me, it's pretty clear they ain't going to be Sirianni. So it needs to be A.J. brown.
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Yeah, that's good. That was my big takeaway from the week too. Is A.J. brown is gone. There is no way he is an Eagle next year. The fans don't want it. I don't think the organization want it. AJ Brown doesn't want it. What was your big takeaway from? Wildcard weekend?
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Yeah, I mean, look, are we having a big paradigm shift Here in the NFC north with the Bears. I think that is part of it. You know, just breaking this curse I think is huge. But you have to. It's not just good enough to win a game like this, right? You need to, you need to win this round as well. You need to at least show your team that you are capable of making a deeper run and not just winning a one off game barely. Right? So go and you know, go make a deep playoff run. That, that is my thing in this was. I think that was the most impactful. It would, you know, if the Bills would have lost, I think that would have been it because it would have been. Is this Bill's team dead?
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But if the Bills would have lost, I still say that head coach is on the hot seat for sure.
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McDermott.
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I think McDermott might have been gone and I think, I think especially with a guy like Harbaugh and a guy like Stefanski out there, I mean who would want to go where Josh Allen is, right?
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Well, I know, look, there are some packers fans that kind of would prefer to see LaFleur shown the door, right?
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Cramming up your cram hole the floor. Every time I see him, that's all I think about is that, does that mean I'm damaged? Like, what does that mean?
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That just means that White Goodman is your favorite Ben Stiller character.
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You know what I think it is? I don't think it's close either.
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Effing Chuck Norris.
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I mean it is really his best work. I think like Zoolander's got its moments, but I can see where people find it annoying.
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Bleeds, mate. Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.
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Because secondary character, it's better, you know, like Ben still for two straight hours. Like, yeah, 45 minutes. Okay. Like you got me.
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You got me. I like to, I like to break a mental switch.
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I get freaking.
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Isn't that a dictionary upside down?
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Yeah, yeah. So it is when he puts the pizza down his pants. That is hysterical.
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I told you not to enter the.
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Room in my private reflection time, Michelle. So you got your takeaway. What was your moment of the week here?
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My moment of the week? That that has to go. I mean that has to go to the Chuan Jennings pass. That was just perfect play call. It reminded me. I don't know if you remember this. In the Steelers Super Bowl 40 run Antoine Randall.
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Oh yeah.
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At two passing touchdowns in the playoffs. One against the Bengals to Cedric Wilson and then he had one obviously to Hines Ward to. You know, that was the ceiling touchdown in Super Bowl 40 so reminded me of those plays. Just, you know, it's dicey to call those specifically in a playoff game, but Shanahan had it at the perfect time.
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I like the idea of like, hey, put me on the big deer. You know, know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.
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All right, let's get to some of the questions here. Yeah, there's another one too from Axel. How about Rushy Rice being accused of domestic violence? Dude needs to get therapist. Yeah, seriously, like, Rushy Rice's long term value. I. I think you missed the boat possibly of trading him this year where it was all like, well, he'll be back in a couple weeks. It'll all be great because next year, God knows what else he's going to do. He's not going to have Mahomes for the start of the year. Like, the chief situation right now is rarely murky. Like, it is just. Kelsey's probably going to go like is a very murky.
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But. But they're like, Andy Reid wanting to come back is huge. Right?
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Sure.
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Because if Andy Reid was stepping away, then it's really okay. Let's just go ahead and hit the reset button on this whole thing because we're probably going to be down Mahomes. I know. Guys keep coming back in eight to nine months. I think it's a ridiculous ask for Mahomes to do that. I think you expect him back around middle of the year next year. Right. Rasheed Rice is going to be suspended for his first thing, and then now this. Like, I just, I really don't like what's going on with kc But I do think it is salvageable because Patrick Mahomes is still one of the better quarterbacks in the league. He had a great year before this injury. So I still think it's salvageable, specifically if Reed states. But I think Rashid Rice needs to be shown the door from the NFL. Like, playing the NFL is a privilege. It is not a right.
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So well said.
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This guy keeps effing up.
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Well, it's one thing, like, everyone's human. Everyone, especially young kids, are stupid. They make mistakes. They do stupid things with their friends, they drive too fast. They make.
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He made his though, right?
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Exactly.
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But like, there's a woman with permanent brain damage from that car accident and again, and now he's beaten.
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You want to give people second chances, make bad decisions terrible, but then you're giving them second and third chances and four chances. Like, enough is enough when you get to some of these guys. And it's not just Rushy Rice, there's a lot of guys out there. My moment of the week was The Josh Allen 10 yard tush push where they needed a yard and they got.
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I don't know, 17 would not be denied.
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What? Yeah, okay. So that's the other thing I'm thinking about too, is like, okay, we have Josh Allen, this massive human where you run the tush push as opposed to Jalen hurts. And you see how effective it can be where they're getting massive yards on this. What do you think Sean Payton's going to try to do to stop this? He's got a great defense, but how do you stop a tush push with a man that large and it tush that big?
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You hit the bejesus out of him before it gets to that point.
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Fair enough.
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That's what the Broncos are going to do.
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Fair enough. That's a good answer. Scott Bogman always has good answers. All right, let's do some factor fictions for those people watching us live on the twitch. You could drop in your factor fictions too. We love having you guys participate in the show. Another question here too, we'll take right before. What do you think of Parker Washington and Coker resurgence? Well, Coker was guy we were in on, so we were very happy to see Coker and not surprised. We were in on the over. So in game live betting. Bogman and I were taking care of that. We were watching. We were over on Coker. We actually did pretty well in that Game except for the score that was not quite where we got. But we did get the Ram score, right. Just not so much. The Carolina Panthers score. However, Parker Washington, you know, dude, he's.
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B
Going to push Travis Hunter to defense.
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A
That's the question is that, you know, you took it right out. So you answered it already. My question was, does he push him?
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B
I am so concerned about this because honestly, like trading for Travis Hunter, you know, Jacksonville as a franchise has kind of been with Shot Khan, he's the ECW owner. Right. Like, it's been more about selling jerseys, I feel like than winning Super Bowls. And I felt. Felt like getting Travis Hunter was kind of that move as well. And it was to my. My thought process was this, this franchise, they want a star on offense to sell jerseys. So Hunter's going to play way more offense. Well, you trade for Jacoby Myers and extend him, you still have Brian Thomas Jr. And Parker Washington is awesome.
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A
Unless they do A Brian Thomas Jr.
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B
They should.
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A
And I think a lot of things will be lining up. He had that great year last year. Not so much. I think there's a lot of teams that could look at a Brian Thomas.
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B
Steelers would certainly would be a good look.
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A
Speaking of the Steelers, Messer Grimm has our first factor. Fiction. Fact or fiction? Steelers get shut out tonight.
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B
Boo.
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A
Messer Graham. Yeah, I'm rooting for Steelers. I will factor fiction.
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B
The Steelers win. Yeah. Yeah. I. You. You would love that.
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A
I want the Steelers because I want to face the Steelers next week and I want me and Scott Bogman to hang out to get to talk about that football game. It's going to be crappy because it's going to be Sunday, so I'm going to miss part of it no matter what because of coaching. Children come first. That's all I can do. But I do not want to face the Texans defense. I don't want it. Don't want it all.
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B
Do you want to face the Steelers defense that already beat you once this year?
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A
Yeah, it's fine.
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B
Okay.
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A
That's fine.
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B
Well, you know what the biggest nightmare for you, Joe, would be Aaron Rodgers going into your building and beating you.
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A
Nothing would bring me greater joy than having Drake May and the Patriots destroy.
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B
Yeah, but nothing would give you more nightmares than Aaron Rodgers going to Gillette winning.
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A
Because I've still got 20 years of joy from the Patriots. The Patriots can't ruin anything for me because as a Mets fan, I've had so much misery in my life since I was 8 years old. That's the last time they Won a.
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B
World Series and I stepped right on this rake. Everybody.
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A
You did step on. My fault it is. I've had so much joy. I can't even. The five years we didn't make the playoffs. I get it. Whatever. It's fine to lose Aaron Rodgers. Would I be upset? Yes. Would I get over it in an hour? Probably. But. Okay. All right. Here's one for Money Station. Let's wake Bogs up. Fact or fiction? God, I love you. Texans will play the Bills for the AFC title. I'm going to say fiction.
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B
I don't know that the Bills make it around deeper. Right. Like that. That was. That was a real close game against Jacksonville. I don't know if you're going to get the breaks you got against Denver.
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A
And Denver's got it now. That's always the question. Right, too. Some of these teams come out flat after the buy. Yeah, they do. Which is always something.
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B
Denver is a young team, so it's definitely a possibility. The Bill's very experienced, so that.
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A
That is.
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B
That could easily happen. Right. But I think that's a little bit trolly for both of us because that's just the Texans running over my team and then running team.
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A
So stick Mangione Factor Fiction Mike McDaniel becomes a head coach again. I'm gonna say fiction. He becomes. Or at least fiction for now. He becomes an offensive coordinator on a good team in 2026 though. Could be Washington. I've heard some rumblings there could be.
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B
The Titans are interviewing Arthur Smith so there might be an opening in Pittsburgh. See.
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A
Oh my God. You got to be hoping that. That you know Arthur. Arthur's.
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B
It's just an interview.
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A
But what has this guy done to even worth. I don't understand. Oh my gosh. My brain hurt.
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B
Pittsburgh Zealanders are 10 and 7 in the playoffs with the Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf and nobody else.
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A
If I'm Mike McDaniel good running backs. I want to go to Washington. I think Washington is a place where you can make an impact with Jaden Daniels.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Where would you put him as an os. Falcons would be fun too. Yeah.
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B
You know what? Yeah. That's where I would put him.
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A
I'd love to see what does with that group of talent with Pits and London and Bijan.
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B
Who.
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A
Who.
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B
But again they were going to do that. They probably would have kept Morris and then went with him.
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A
Maybe Axel's fact or fiction Harbaugh will be the Raiders next coach with Mendoza. QB fiction. I don't see him going to the Raiders I think he goes to something.
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B
They going to Giants, I think or the Arizona Cardinals.
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A
Arizona is a hard one for me because they've been. There's such a bad organization. Right. So I understand the point.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But they have.
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B
They have 12 playoff victories in their history and Harbaugh has 12 wins with the Ravens in the postseason.
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A
So I'm not saying it wouldn't be great for. For. For them to get Harbaugh. I'm saying is the infrastructure there has been bad forever. They're cheap organization. They're bad organization. They've they the team that makes them pay for their own lunch when they're a training camp kind of organization.
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B
Maybe Harbaugh comes in and says hey look, I'll be your coach but we are making changes. He makes those changes that are necessary.
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A
In the Arizona complex. Did you know that guac is extra? So I'm gonna say fiction on that one. Papa Factor Fiction. AD Mitchell is upcoming sleeper in a top 25 wide receiver. Well, let's see who the jets quarterback is.
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B
I'm going to say that's a big question. Yeah, I mean honestly, we just have to know who the quarterback is going to be because we know for the Raiders it's probably going to be Mendoza. Dante Moore may or may not come out, so maybe it's a free agent signing. Don't know. But I would have to say fiction right now as well.
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A
All right, rz, Fact or fiction? This is finally Rogers final year. God. Like fact. But I think you're right. I think it's fiction too.
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B
The Steelers are not firing Mike Tomlinson, Aaron Rodgers, you know, specifically if they win this game and then lose the next game, it'd be like, well, we're right there. Just stay one more year. We'll get you another weapon on offense. We'll fix a couple of the things in on the O line. You can have another year of Washington, another year of gelling. I think it would be one more year if they win this game tonight.
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A
I got a couple of factor fictions. Let's rapid fire factor fiction. The Panthers will be back in the playoffs next year. Fact.
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B
I like the coaching staff. I think we need to. I think we might need to change at the quarterback position, but maybe not. He played so well.
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A
He had a good game. I don't know, man. I don't think you're going to have that change.
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B
Maybe this will be year three of Canales and they already made the playoffs this year.
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A
Maybe.
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B
I like it.
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A
Ben Johnson knew exactly what he was doing that first Day Press where he took the job and took a shot at Matt LaFleur. Fact or fiction?
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B
Fact. This is what he wanted. He wants the rivalry. And I don't think he, you know, I think he would have said that regardless of whoever the Green Bay coach was. I think he wants the rivalry. I don't think he actually personally dislikes LaFleur. I think it's just he wants that rivalry. He wants his players to be into it. And that's probably something that Dan Campbell did when he got to Detroit.
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A
Fact or fiction? Colson Love him will be a Fantasy Stud in 2026.
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B
Fact.
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A
I agree with that one.
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B
Yeah, that dude is. He's a stud right now.
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A
To me, he's the reason you don't have to take Trey McBride in the first round. Just wait. You're going to get a discount on Bowers. You get a discount on Warren. You're going to just get on Loveland next year. A lot of good young tight end talent.
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B
Lovely Bowers.
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A
And returning from injury, too.
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B
He's coming back from an injury. Bowers is. You know, he had some injuries, but he's healthy at the end of the year. Yeah, but he's healthy at the end of the year. So, I mean, if Bowers is beyond the second round, I'm going to have every single share of Bowers.
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A
Fact or fiction? Jordan Love needs more help.
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B
Fiction. I mean, they've got. They've invested in wide receivers. They have Josh Jacobs, maybe o line help, maybe. But they need to let him run. You saw what Jacksonville's offense turned into when they let Trevor Lawrence run a little bit. Let the dude use his legs. He has it in him. We saw it at Utah State. Let him use his legs. Let him open things up a little bit more. I know he's been a bit fragile, but you either have it or you don't. So you got to open it up and let him use all of his tools. All right.
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A
Factor fiction. CMC is going to advance another round in the playoffs, which means more touches, more warrior and terror. Fact or fiction? He's still a top five draft pick for you in 2026.
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B
Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, whatever he got in Germany, everybody should be going to get. That's what I would say. Because he lasted the whole year and looked great the whole time.
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A
Words said by no one ever.
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B
I mean, I'm saying it right now. It looks like damn Superman this year or not even a hint of an injury. So whatever it is, worked for him. Yeah, I would say yes.
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A
All right. Last One, Chargers are closer to being for real than we think. Fact or fiction?
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B
You know what? I think that's fact. But I think it's also fact that they're closer to falling off the cliff than we think as well.
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A
Oh, that's really interesting because I watched, you know, I've watched a lot of Chargers this year and I think Herbert's. Herbert played really well. They got a franchise quarterback, They've got a lot of talent. They had a ton of injuries. That stuff typically doesn't repeat year after year.
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B
These two best players are injury prone. Derwin James and Justin Herbert are both injury prone.
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A
Well, I mean you're injury prone when you lose both your tackles in one season. I mean.
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B
Yeah, but he's injury prone last year too. I know.
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A
I'm just. Look, man, but he's injury prone because he takes hits and you got to protect. I know that. The whole point was Harbaugh drafted Alton trying to protect him and ran. Slater was hurt in the beginning of the year because if the tackles can stay healthy and the offensive line can stay healthy, I feel like the way that defense played and they're a well coached football team. If Amari and Hampton takes a step forward, they could be really good next year. Like they could be winning that.
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B
My aunt had male parts. She'd be my uncle.
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A
No thanks. Thanks a lot. Appreciate you. Mike Tomlin.
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B
Tomlin.
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A
Geno Smith has played his last snap as a starting qb. I'm gonna say fact.
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B
Fiction, fact. Who. Who is letting Geno start a game?
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A
Have you seen the quarterback class coming out this year? Have you seen how many quarterback.
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B
You know what? Tyler Schuck didn't look bad. There was a bad quarterback class last year as well. So there is no excuse to let Geno drive your car again if you own an NFL franchise. No, he can. He goes somewhere and be a backup and maybe have to start an emergency. Sure. But he cannot get a starting gig in the NFL again. He is done.
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A
All right, Double X here. Fact of fiction. Giants will be the best Rebuild team for 26, 27 season. Not a playoff run, but positive. No, I disagree. I'm going to say fiction because I think not only do they make the playoffs, I think they win that division. I think next year the Giants can win that division with the right coach and better luck of health if you get neighbors scatter boo dart to play an entire season, which might be asking a lot but at least not miss significant time or have season ending injuries. And you have a good head coach come in here. I Think the Giants win that division. That's. That's why I say fiction to this.
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B
I'll. I'll say fact to it, because I agree with that call. Exactly. I don't think they're going to win the division. I think that the Cowboys, while they made all those moves, you know, they were good at the end of the year. So you're going to have a lot of the same returning pieces. The big question is what happens with George Pickens? Does the whole locker room gel better if AJ Brown is gone for Philly? Because that's still a good core, right?
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A
I think they'll be fine. I think a little. Again, they've had.
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B
Remember, Washington was in the NFC championship last year, bro.
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A
They've had a carousel of coordinators. Right. In Philly the last couple years. Right, like between winning the super bowl, losing the super bowl and having guys leave.
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B
Okay, but. But I think you're discounting the entire division.
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A
Dude, I'm not. I'm saying the Giants have the commanders.
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B
Were in the NFC title game in 2024.
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A
I understand. I'm just. I'm saying what I said and I believe what I said. And I'm not rooting for the Giants. There's no rooting interest.
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B
No, I know that. I know that was never a question.
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A
I'm just saying I think they are that dangerous in terms of.
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B
Well, we got to see what Cam Scatter Boo looks like off the injury. Got to see what Malik Neighbors looks like off the injury. We got to see how Jackson Dart, you know, deals with the new coordinator and new system. It's. It's a lot of ifs for next year. The roster is good. That's why I think this is. This is fact. Right? Like you're going to have a positive season when the Giants, I think.
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A
I think they're the one team that's capable of being good on both sides of the ball. Besides the Eagles.
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B
I mean, I. I think. I think with improvements, the Cowboys can.
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A
Yeah, they gotta have a great draft and I don't have a lot of faith in that stink. Mangioni Shout out. Resubbing for three months. Jay Chow Resub. Resub right now.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Sub to our Twitch Twitch TV fantasypros.
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B
Go.
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A
Follow us there too. Also, the Chargers, according to Seth, have the most cap space over 100 million. So look for them to be very, very busy as well. All right, let's take a look at how we did with colon touchdowns last week. Well, we all got one. I got Puka, you got Josh Allen and Kyron Williams for the Welsh. So it's a three way tie here for me. My touchdown calls this week. I will take Josh Allen. It's my turn to take Josh Allen. I'll take R.J. harvey to find the end zone. And once again Puka Nakua because I don't think that secondary has an answer for Puka Nakua. I just don't at all. So we'll get back to some predictions in a second. But my one easy prediction is no matter what happens, Puka Nakua over receiving yards against the Bear secondary.
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B
And by the way, I left you Puka because I felt bad because he whooped you so bad out of the playoffs.
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A
I appreciate that. I thought there might be a reason why you did that.
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B
So yeah, so, so I did that. So I went reasonable with mine because I could have taken, I could have just taken JSN Puka and Josh Allen and been done with it. But I went JSN because you know, just like Puka Nicu I don't think anybody has an answer for JSN right now. Specifically the Rams manual. Forbes did not play well last game. Kyron Williams I do think that we're going to see another nice back and forth between the Rams and Seahawks. And then Colson Loveland dude is on fire. Get him the ball.
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A
Yes. Oh, love me some Colson Loveland, baby. I love that draft pick too. It was just surprising how early. Also, if you want to keep the conversation going, don't forget about our discord fantasybros.com chat. It's free, it's fun and of course all year long we'll be talking NFL draft, we'll be talking fantasy football drafts, best ball, everything. If you're looking to join leagues, it's a great place to meet some other folks. And don't forget our Betting Pros discord as well. Bettingpros.com chat and of course you can get that one free month of Betting Pros while you're at it when you use the promo code FP1MONTH. So make sure you go and subscribe to the Betting Pros premium free tools. You download that and of course we download the Betting Pros app. You use all the tools there, the best tools on the planet. If you're trying to make some wagers for the college football championship for NFL, NBA baseball's around the corner. The premium tools are very special. Some fantastic stuff there, very advanced metrics, very advanced stuff there that'll help you cash more bets. And that's what it's all about. You can get one month for free on betting pros when you download the app fp. One month. All right, let's get to some prediction time right now. Again, we don't have all the games laid out. Bill's Broncos right now, minus one and a half for the Bills or Favorites. Who do you like in that game box?
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B
I mean, really tough game because you have a lot of experience from Buffalo, but just such a good year for Denver. They had an extra week to prepare. They're at home. I got to take the Moroccos.
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A
I'm with you. Seattle, san Fran. Seattle -7 favorites right now. I'll take the 49ers to cover, but Seattle to win same.
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B
Yeah, I think. I think it'll be a better game. It's a division game. Of course. Those always seem to go a little bit more back and forth, but I just. I think this. The Niners are too beat up. I think Seattle wins that game.
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A
All right, next one. Bears, three and a half point underdogs at home. I'll take the Bears to cover in this one. The Bears just. They have that weird magic. They find a way and I got my cheese grater here. There you go. Cheese graters out. I did this to Pat Fitzmorris on the morning show. I surprised him with the cheese grater. He. Pat did not take it very well.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Because that's a friend.
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A
I am a jerk, but that's what.
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B
Friends do day after man.
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A
Well, you know why he was late to the show? He forgot we had the show. So.
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B
No excuses in I'm.
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A
You get graded.
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B
Surprised.
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A
I might just keep this here too if it ever happens again.
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B
I'm surprised you did not have him drawn and quartered for being late.
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A
Well, you know, I mean, 10:00am That's.
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B
10 years of show, you know, Give me the Rams. I. Tough, tough game.
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A
But Matthew, it's gonna be minus one. Right?
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B
I understand. Matthew Stafford is looking to. You know, that's not the line.
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A
That's the degree.
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B
Just what.
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A
Just everybody knowing. It's supposed to be like 2 degrees that night. I don't know if those LA boys are going to do very well in that cold. I think it's going to be a very weird game. I do get a weird. I mean, maybe.
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B
Yeah, it's definitely. Look, this is why you play for home field is so you get this right. It's the same thing for Pittsburgh tonight. It's going to be very cold and the boys from the south have to come up and deal with the. With the weather. Yeah.
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A
Gonna be interesting to watch. Give me a final score prediction just for S's and G's here on that game tonight.
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B
Six to three Steelers. Perfect.
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A
You can't get better than that. Make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe to our Twitch Twitch TV fantasy pros and enjoy a classic Steelers prime time 6:3 victory courtesy of Scott Bogman. That'll do it for us, but the story of the game goes on. We'll see you next time, kids. Enjoy Monday Night Football. Woo.
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B
There we go.
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A
3. God, you thought last night was a score fest, huh?
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B
Beautiful. It would. It would honestly be a gorgeous, beautiful game if it was six to three and no one else would appreciate it.
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A
I would appreciate it because I like irony.
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B
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A
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