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Debra
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Ryan Wormley
Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan Wormley, joined for the last time in the 2025 season on a Friday morning by Derrick Brown and Pat Fitzmaurice. Guys, we are talking key questions not for week 18. We have been doing weekly key questions all season long. It's been a blast. Appreciate everybody who has stuck with us all year, but because there's not really any fantasy championship games going on in week 18, maybe you have, you know, a random one going on in some league where the commissioner made a mistake. But we're not here to discuss week 18. We will have other kind of live streams and opportunities to answer questions. If you do really need lineup help. For week 18, we want to look beyond week 18. We want to look into the off season and early thoughts on the 2026 season. So we're going to go through matchup by matchup, but use each matchup as an excuse to pick one of these teams and answer a question about the future, what the offseason will look like. Maybe it' about a player, maybe it's about the team in and in general as a whole. Does that sound like a plan fits?
Fitz
That sounds great. I, you know, already put together the first set of 2026 rankings, so I am already looking ahead tunnel vision into next year and pretty excited about it actually.
Ryan Wormley
Debra, how are you feeling? Like very early thoughts just in. In. I know you've been working on the Week 18 primer this week, which did still come out. Everybody should check out. If you do have interest in that, maybe just for DFS reasons. Whatever, whatever you want to be looking at that for. But how do you feel in general? Just kind of starting to think about 2026. Are you excited for the off season? Do you think we're going to see a lot of Big moves. Are you excited for next year? Feeling different about your process with rankings? What's your kind of your early mindset on 2026?
Debra
I think it's gonna be a fascinating off season. I think we have so many chess pieces and quarterback situations that can move and change in so many team situations that I, I, I can't wait to see it, man. I feel like I'm already like I'm, I'm one foot into still into the regular season and one foot into 2026 and everything that like is swirling in my head about 2026. Like I just, I can't wait to see and we're going to talk about a ton of things like situations that like could change and players that could bounce back and stuff. Man. I just, I'm already like pining for like prospects and 2026 rankings, man.
Ryan Wormley
You'll, you'll have plenty of opportunity to, to dive into that so it maybe enjoy a small respite while you can, but we'll, we'll be diving, you know, head first into all that stuff soon enough. I know Fitz and I will be back in the dynasty pod very quickly here. So football never really sleeps. There's not really much of an offseason at this point. Let's dive in to, to this late here. We've got two Saturday games. Two of the three really particularly meaningful games of the week are of course on the Saturday doubleheader. The first one Panthers at Buccaneers. I think the very obvious name to talk about here for 2026 is Emeka Igbuka. Just a really fascinating rookie season. It is not too uncommon to have a rook a really hot several weeks stretch in his rookie season. But it usually comes later in the year. Right. We see this repeatedly like Rasheed Rice, Amon Ross, St. Brown just in, in kind of the last cup few seasons. But Igbukas came at the beginning of the year and that is really what makes it unusual that he started off so strong, was looking like a walk in, you know, wide receiver one in terms of dynasty. Just thinking long term was scoring touchdowns and then it just kind of fell apart. He had this hamstring injury. Baker Mayfield started playing a lot worse and he finished way, way, way worse than he started. So Deborah, I want to start with you here. What do you make of Igbuka's rookie season overall and what are your expectations for him in 2026?
Debra
Oh man, it's, it's confounding. And to give context to everything you laid out there worm like weeks one through five. Igbuka was the wide receiver three in fantasy points per game. He has the hammy injury week six through 17. He basically wasn't playable. He was wide receiver 50 and I wrote about it in the Primer since week 16. He wasn't even a full time player in the Bucks offense. He had a 50% route share, a 46% route share, and a 10% target share. So it's crazy, dude. Like just the change in the flip flop of his seasons and stuff and I think tying his 2026 value to specifically one thing and it's does Mike Evans come back? And if Mike Evans comes back and we all, we're all kind of like approaching it and expecting that he doesn't come back, if he does come back, dude, I don't know what to think about IGA Booka. Is he a wide receiver two, Is he a wide receiver three. Like, how does he mix in? Because right now Jaylen McMillan is running more freaking routes than him to close the regular season. Now is that partially because of an injury that we don't know about? Because I, I firmly believe that teams lie about injury reports constantly, perpetually throughout the entire season. Did it. Was Ibuka hurt worse and not healthy at all since the hamstring injury? I don't know man. But I think looking at his 2026 value right now in dynasty value, like specifically for. Because it's tied to the next season, does Mike Evans come back? And that's the biggest question mark for me. And what is that? Because if, if he doesn't come back, I could play the other side of the coin. He's probably a wide receiver too. I can't bump him up to wide receiver one territory. Could he get there? Could he be the Igbuka of weeks one through five? Possibly. But considering the longer stretch of not great, it's hard to put him there.
Ryan Wormley
Fitz, it looks like you've got Iguka not only not a wide receiver one, he's closer to wide receiver three than wide receiver two, he's right at the back end. Wide receiver two range for you in early 2026 rankings. Obviously a lot could change between now and when these rankings are kind of finalized eight months from now. But with your early thoughts, you seem to be fading him a bit.
Fitz
You think so? I mean, I, I kind of think.
Ryan Wormley
I'm just, just from what D Ro just said about like, well, maybe he can get back up to wider superior one fading relative to that. I don't, I don't think it's fading. Certainly Based on how he finished.
Fitz
Well, if Evans is gone and Evans is going to be a free agent, then I think Abuka's ECR is going to be higher than that. But if Evans sticks around and right, right now I'm just kind of trying to play the middle ground on that. I think right now if we had an ECR for 20, 26, and we won't have that until week 18 is over, but I, I have a feeling I'd be, I think wide receiver 24 is right around where he's going to come in. And so yeah, we do have to weigh these two things. And the funny thing is Evans played the first three weeks for the Buccaneers when Ibuka was going strong and those first five weeks he was Ibuka. This is averaging 89 yards, averaging a touchdown per game, averaging 11.7 yards per target. I mean he was just fantastic. And this, this was after he was a first round pick and kind of a surprise first round pick in some regards. I think a lot of people thought he was going to go early second. Then he got all sorts of buzz for his performance in training camp. But then everything just turned sour after week five and, and catch rate 43% after week five. Only one touchdown after week five. 44 yards per game, 5.6 yards per target. His yards per target were almost cut in half after what he had been doing for the first five weeks. So I do think the drop off is pretty clearly related to Baker Mayfield's drop off though. Like over the first six weeks of the season, Baker Mayfield was averaging 256.5 passing yards per game and 7.9 yards per attempt. From week seven on Mayfield, 195.1 passing yards a game, 6.0 yards per attempt. So Ebuka does bear his shame share of the blame. No question. Like he's had nine drops, which puts him one off the lead lead, excuse me, league lead in that inglorious category. But I'm still giving a little more credence maybe to what we saw from Abuka early in the season. We saw the ceiling and it was pretty impressive. And you know, I, I kind of want to be more about ceiling than worrying about what the floor is. So I'm, I'm trying to remain glass half full, even though Maybe wide receiver 24 doesn't seem like it.
Ryan Wormley
I think what was interesting to me fits into like is seeing that Travis Hunter is one spot ahead of him because that, that surprised me. Hunter obviously like the last time we saw him was really good, but that was really his only good game for, for, you know, fantasy managers in his entire rookie season that he missed the second half of the year with the injury, is that like driven by Trevor Lawrence is playing so much better? It seems like. So what, you know, you imagine Travis Hunter stepping back into a more competent offense. Is it just a bet on the upside than the ceiling like you just described? Why is Hunter ahead of Igbuka for you?
Fitz
Hunter was really starting to pop right before he got hurt, unfortunately, and I thought maybe we were going to see just that sort of supreme athleticism. He has come to the fore and we were starting to see it right before he got hurt. It was kind of a shame that he went down when he did. But you know, I mean, draft capital weighs into it a little bit and the fact that maybe Abuka's ceiling display of five weeks was longer than Travis Hunter's ceiling display of one or two weeks. But I mean Hunter was the highest, higher drafted guy. It does seem like the Jaguars are now more committed to using him as an offensive player than a defensive player. So I'm less worried about him being toggled between offense and defense than I was kind of going into the season. We'll see. I mean maybe that's naive to think they're not going to continue to toggle him a lot, but I don't know. I just, I think Travis Hunter just athletically has the higher ceiling 2, 2.
Debra
Points before we move on real fast. 1. Fitz, when you were talking about with, with Evans back, the only pushback I'll give about Ibuka in the early season with Evans, we didn't have Chris Godwin then, so that's the only other difference that I think. And Jalen McMillan was also out, so I think adding those two part parts to the, to the equation can kind of muddy the waters. But maybe I'll give a hot take here guys. Considering what Parker Washington has shown during the back half of the season and Jacoby Myers, I, I'm kind of approaching this like I'm going to be fading Hunter right now as we sit right now. I wonder if Travis Hunter is going to be a full time corner in 2026.
Ryan Wormley
We'll see.
Debra
Yeah, I don't know. I mean we're all forecasting here. I, I have no clue of how that's going to work out, but just considering how they finished the season without Hunter there and the offense is humming and their defense could use some help on the, in the secondary I'm like, it kind of feels like Maybe he plays one side of the ball in 2026. But maybe I'm wrong.
Ryan Wormley
I'm only going to do this for the three games that are really important. But just as like a. I want to ask about this game. Just quickly. Who do you think wins, Carolina or Tampa Bay? Tampa is minus two and a half. Just quickly fits.
Fitz
I don't understand why Tampa is favored. I think this be closer to a pick. I mean this feels like it did when Tampa knocked off the Eagles a couple of we a couple of seasons ago in the playoffs and the Eagles were on such a downward slide. It was like, why are the Eagles favored going into Tampa? I kind of feel the same way about the Buccaneers now who, you know, coincidentally were the team that knocked off the Eagles. Ray. I almost feel like the Panthers should be favored. I do think this is a really hard game to call, but if you forced me to pick it, I would pick the Panthers.
Debra
I think the Panthers win. I think the Bucks are broken. I just, Baker Mayfield's looked terrible over.
Fitz
The last few years and that defense, the past defense, is pretty broken. I just don't know whether Bryce Young can take advantage.
Debra
Yeah, like, what are the Bucks doing well right now? Like, like real talk, what are they doing well? Baker Mayfield doesn't look good. The defense is terrible. They can't run the ball. Like what are they actually doing well? Yeah.
Ryan Wormley
Let's go to the next game on this Saturday slate. Just quickly before we dive into our kind of off season question. Seahawks at 49ers for the 1 seed. Who do you guys like in this one? Just to win the game. It's minus one and a half for Seattle in San Francisco. That's on Hard rock Bet as again. Seattle laying one and a half. Dera, who do you like better in this one?
Debra
Another like incredibly tough game to call. I'm gonna go with the 49ers at home here, man. Like, I think George Kittle playing like their defense is. Is not great. I'm not gonna say that. But like we've just seen Sam Darnold fall apart in so many big spots and big games. Like, that's where it's hard to like, if I'm gonna back Seattle, I'm really backing Seattle's defense and I'm not backing Sam Darnold. I just. Brock Purdy is playing out of his freaking mind right now. I'm gonna roll with the 49ers at home.
Ryan Wormley
Well, I, I pointed this out to Erickson on the Tuesday show because we were, we, we had dueling predictions for this game. He predicted Seattle to win. I predicted San Francisco. And one of the things I said was Sam Darnold in a big game in week 18 with a chance to clinch a one seed going up against the visual. Where have we seen this before? Does that sound familiar to anybody? Oh, yeah. Just last year, The Vikings scored nine points. He went 18 to 41 in that game for 166. 6 yards, and the Vikings did not crack double digits. So obviously, I'm not saying it's gonna be the exact same performance here, but it's hard for me to shake that from my mind. So I. I do, I do. I agree it's hard to pick, but I do lean 49ers. Fitz, what do you think about this one?
Fitz
Yeah, I. I am kind of with DBRO and with you on this one. I think Seattle's the better team, but these two teams have quarterbacks riding in elevators going in opposite directions.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, well, I. I considered asking about Sam Darnold for this offseason question, but I did actually want to go in a different direction. I wanted to go with Seattle's backfield and just kind of ask what you guys think it's going to look like in 2026. We've had a few years of this Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnet split backfield that has been, you know, frustrating for fantasy managers for multiple seasons. Now, as we head into 2026, and I'll start with you, Fitz, what do you think this backfield is going to look like?
Fitz
Yeah, Kenneth Walker is going to be an unrestricted free agent. I kind of doubt the Seahawks are going to tag him, although Seattle is in pretty good shape with regard to the salary cap, either the Seahawks try to retain Walker and run it back with the Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnet combo, which, of course, fantasy gamers would dread because it's been a nightmare to manage in 2025, or they let Walker move on, and they probably either draft or sign another running back to share work with Charbonnet. And they've also got George Holani. Maybe they're bump up his role a little bit, but probably not. He's probably still number three. So. Just hard to tell what the. The Seahawks are thinking in regard to the way they value Kenneth Walker.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, Debra, what do you think about this one? You've been, like, really, you know, banging the drum, you know, for years now, just about Kenneth Walker as a player. Do we think we're going to get an opportunity where these two guys are split up next year and. And we actually get to, you know, Kind of see what they can both do as the lead backs. Or do you think they're going to run it back like Fitz says is a possibility?
Debra
I, I don't see them tagging him. Like, I, I think that, you know, I, and I'm not, you know, right now sitting here telling you exactly if they use the tag, who they would tag if not Kenneth Walker? I just, this feels like a situation where Kenneth Walker is like, dude, like, why am I gonna come back to this? Like, okay, fine, it's a winning team and all that kind of stuff. But also, like, he's gonna leave money on the table if he probably comes back to this, because he's not going to get paid, like, insane amounts of money. Considering the way that they've utilized this backfield, utilized him the entire season. I think Walker's gone is the way I'm approaching this. I think Zach Charbonnet is going to walk in and be the workhorse. And I say that with, like, air quotes because I do think Seattle probably does what Seattle's done over the last few freaking years. Dude, they're probably going to draft another running back this year in the NFL draft, and I know that, like, they've got their first, second, and third round picks and a six. Any point of that, they could trade back for the second or third and they probably pick up, like, another running back or they feel good about Holani. And I think it's probably going to go back to being like, about a 65, 35, 65, 40 split for Zach Charbonnet. But I think they're probably going to draft a running back or sign one, like, on the cheap. I don't think they bring Walker back.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, I, I, I tend to lean the same direction as ut, bro. As, you know, Walker won't be back. But yeah, I'm curious because this obviously is a team that wants to run the ball a ton, so they are going to want more than just Charbonnet. The question is, is Walker the piece they want more than just Charbonnet or.
Debra
The other side of that is too. Charbonnet is a free agent in 2027.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah.
Debra
So if you want to really pay him, are you going to run it back with Walker and a franchise tag and then Charbonnet and then you're looking at possibly the season after that. Both guys maybe are both on the free agency block and you're like, who do we pay? We don't know if Charbonnet could be the guy that, like, that we want to tie, like, all of our money to moving forward. So it's like the other side is like that that that money doesn't make a lot of sense to me too. Unless they were just like screw both guys and we're just going to go draft a guy.
Fitz
And I think Seattle does tend to play the long game like that with their free agents, so would not. Maybe that's what they do and they, they draft someone from this class and they decide to go and you know, come August, we're trying to figure out how Zach Charbonnet and Nick Singleton are going to be splitting carries.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah. Yeah, maybe that those will be fun conversations. Let's go to the Sunday game. Saints at Falcons dbro, I got to start with you here. Has Tyler Schuck done enough to be considered the Saints quarterback of the future?
Debra
Oh yeah, I think he has, man. And I want to be very clear because I feel like, look, my Saints fandom has kind of muddied the waters here and a lot of it. My frustrations with the Saints for the entirety of the season is the fact that they didn't draft Jackson Dart I walked into last prospect season above consensus on Tyler Shock and then consensus got drunk and had a, had a got on a party bus and started like throwing out all kind of insanities talking about Tyler Shuck is the QB one and Tyler Shuck is amazing and everybody's falling over their self to have the hotter take about Tyler Shucking. I liked him as a prospect coming into this last year and dude, yeah he's played well. I mean now I will say some of this grain of salt, like he's had some very favorable, favorable matchups in the point, like some very bad past defenses he has faced over the last few weeks. But I'm also not going to shy away From since week 10, Tyler Shuck has been second in CPOE. He's been eighth in passing yards per game, intent in catchable target rate and he's looked like a serviceable NFL quarterback. Now floor and ceiling conversations. Is Tower Shuck like a future elite quarterback? Who knows man? But if for this team and the Saints, like right now you spent a second round pick on him, he's looked really freaking good down the back half of the season and the defense has shown a lot of life. So like for the Saints, yeah, I mean like you're rolling with Tyler Shuck in 2026 and depending on what he does that's gonna, you know, punch his ticket or not for 2027 deeper.
Ryan Wormley
I gotta ask, who would you rather have on your fantasy Team, not dynasty, but just for 2026. Tyler Shucker, J.J. mcCarthy.
Debra
Oh, oh man. Okay. So do we get a fully healthy Chris Olave for 2026? Am I getting that? I'm still enrolling with JJ dude. And I know, I know, but Tower Shock has played well, man. They're. They're going to be like talking about 2026 rankings. They're gonna be very close, man.
Ryan Wormley
Chuck is inside Fitz's top 20 in this early article. He's at QB19. JJ McCarthy several spots lower. Fitz, what do you think about Shuck as the QB of the future here for the Saints?
Fitz
Yeah, I think Shock has at least put it this way. Shuck has done enough for the Saints to not pay an exorbitant price to acquire another quarterback for 2026. They're going to give him 2026. I don't know if they are hitching their wagon to him to the extent that the Patriots are to Drake May, but he is at least proven that he is the guy for next year. And so in eight starts, Shock has completed 69.6% of his passes, averaged 249.6 passing yards a game and 7.7 yards per pass attempt with nine touchdowns and four interceptions. And Debro mentioned it. He. He's had a pretty good run of schedule. He has not had to try to solve the Houston or Denver past defenses. But Chuck's numbers are pretty comparable to and in some cases better than Drake May's rookie numbers. And like May, Chuck also brings some mobility to the table. And speaking of May, like it's such an edge in fantasy football if you can get high end production out of a mid round quarterback. And Drake May gave his investors a huge edge in the 2025 season. But may is going to be an early round pick in 2026. And as much as I love the guy, I want to find the next mid round value at quarterback. And Tyler Schuck is going to be on the short list of candidates for the mid round quarterback of 2026.
Debra
Damn right. That's a good call Fitzy. I emphatically agree with you dude. I think he is a perfect late round guy. Like considering all the different things that we didn't even talk about. Kellen Moore, like if he, if he yeah like cranks up the pace. If they add another wide receiver like to this offense like Juwan Johnson in a, in a featured role has looked good this year. So like him and Olave like yeah dude, like sign me up. I'm with you.
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Debra
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Cam Jordan
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Ryan Wormley
We're actually in a run here guys of several quarterback related questions in a row. The next one we have Browns at Bengals. True or false? Shador Sanders will be the Browns Week 1 starter at quarterback in 2026. Fitz, I'll start with you.
Fitz
I'll say true, this one is a close call, but as of now the Browns are picking seventh in the first round of the draft and they also have the Jaguars first round pick from the Travis Hunter trade. They're not getting the number one pick away from the quarterback. Needy Raiders? Could they trade up to number two? Maybe, but they're Are either Fernando Mendoza or Dante Moore worth that? Sort of an all in maneuver? I tend to think not. And the Browns aren't in very good salary cap shape, so I don't know if they'll be able to sign a free agent like Malik Willis. I tend to think they might give Shador an extended audition and spend their draft capital building the infrastructure. But I'll say this and people might think I'm still drunk on New Year's Eve champagne here But I think there's a non zero chance that Deshaun Watson is actually the week one starter. Like maybe Watson, maybe Watson is completely cooked. Certainly looked like it the last time we saw him play. But if there's any way like physically he can get back to being just 80% of the guy he was in his early career with the Texans, that would probably be enough to win the job. And but do I think Shador Sanders is the Most likely Week 1 starter for the Browns? I do.
Ryan Wormley
What I'm hearing is that Deshaun Watson is going to be this year's Drake May late round pick who wins leagues for, for people.
Fitz
Yeah, I mean I'm sure again, like I, I think there's a sliver of a chance that he could be the week one guy if somehow he can convince them he's physically right and that, you know, the, the obviously he was just awful the last time we saw him play. But we don't know the extent to which that was like his injuries or if it was just overall decay in his game.
Ryan Wormley
Debra, what do you think about Shador? If you want to hand on Deshaun Watson, you can too. I wasn't expecting it to go that direction. That was a twist from, from Fitz but she door, you know, yes or no on QB1 in week one for the Browns.
Debra
I agree with everything Fitzy just laid out, including the desean Watson stuff because I think that they were contemplating activating him and we could have possibly seen him this year but it didn't happen. I think we're probably living in a world where yes, if you look at the state of the Cleveland Browns like roster, their defense is. Their defense is ready to go, man. Like they're, they have a top 10 defense right now. But you marry the two timelines of this team and it's like they've allowed everything on the offensive side to languish outside of. Okay, you feel good about Judkins but now he's coming up going to come off the injury. So what do we see of Judkins? Probably more of a middling a lost season for Judkins and you're really looking at 20, 27 for him. Okay. Harold Fanon's going to come on in next year. Okay. He's probably going to be the focal point of the passing attack because Jerry Judy surely def definitively is not it. So you're marrying like the timeline for this team on both sides of the ball and it's like the defense is ready to go but the offense is struggling and we hadn't even talked about. Dude, they're, they're maybe going to retool their entire freaking offensive line next year. And they should. They've allowed it to get old, injured and terrible very quickly. So just marrying up the timelines of this team screams to me, don't draft a quarterback. You're probably not in the spot to draft a quarterback. You need to add firepower on the offensive side or just heck, draft two offensive linemen because you got five spots to freaking fill. So I think we're probably looking at to put a bow on all of this. I think you're probably looking at a camp battle of Shadra Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson and everybody's going to throw up in their hands.
Ryan Wormley
Let's stick with the trend of QB1 talk for our next game. Colts at Texans. Who will be quarterback one for the Colts in week one of the 2026 season? Debra, I'll start with you on this one. Obviously Daniel Jones looking really good early in the year. Anthony Richardson has been injured throughout the entire year. Everybody, you know, was interested in his upside at one point. Is it, you know, an external addition that they bring in somebody whether it's a, I don't know, like a Malik Willis signing him or, or drafting a guy, you know, Riley Leonard is there who's QB1 for the Colts at the start of the 2026 season.
Debra
I got the answer, boys. And Fitzy, I'm sorry, but he's too freaking good and the packers can't afford him. Malik Willis, baby, come on down. Give him basically a three year version of the Justin Fields contract and done. I mean, Daniel Jones is coming off the Achilles man. Like, okay, fine, maybe you bring him back, but I doubt that happens, man. Like this team is ready like pushing all their chips in trading for Sauce Gardner. They are in it to win it. Like they are like we are going to compete. And that's where I think it should come down. And quietly, the colts had the 11th most cap space next year. They got 53 million to play with. So like giving a 20 mil contract to Malik Willis and bringing back Alec Pierce, you can do and accomplish both of those things in the same off season. So I, I think that's what the Colts should do. And if you look at this like, look at what Styking does, look at this type of offense, it's first read heavy, it weighs on quarterback mobility. You're going to lean on Jonathan Taylor yet again next year. Malik Willis is the perfect answer to what the Colts need.
Ryan Wormley
I, I Hate this because I think you're. You're right. It's a, it's a very good call. And like, as a fan of a team in the afc, I don't want to see this happen because I think it would be a great marriage if, if Malik Willis really is kind of like taking a step here.
Debra
Him, he played so freaking well every time he's gotten a chance.
Ryan Wormley
Totally.
Debra
Like this season he played out of his dang mind. And I know, I, I know the Ravens past defense is not great, but.
Ryan Wormley
It'S not as bad as it was in like September. Like, it's at least a real defense. It's not a good defense, but it's a real defense. Like, like that. That was a great performance to have the, to do what he did on that Saturday night game was like really impressive and I think it would have been impressive against anybody. Like, it, like the state of the Ravens defense isn't really that relevant. Like, I just thought he looked awesome.
Debra
And for everybody that says, oh well, they teamed in with a great play caller and lafleur. Okay, what do you. What you think he's gonna do with Shane and Indy?
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, and the other thing too, and I'll toss to you, Fitz, like with the Colts in general is that they don't have their picks so like go going the draft route to try and find somebody. Is it like they, they do need to spend in free agency and put money towards this if they want to continue to contend as they've kind of gone all in because they don't have the picks to try and even take a late round swing on somebody. Like, you know, if, if the next year's Jackson Dart falls to the late 20s, they can't take advantage of that. So. So yeah, that's why I think Willis actually really does make a lot of sense. What do you think, Fitz?
Fitz
Yeah, I, I don't think it's out of the question. They sign Malik Willis and they are in decent salary cap shape. But again, they. I don't know if the Colts want to spend any more money or draft capital on another quarterback. So if, if Daniel Jones isn't ready for week one, I feel like it's probably going to be either Anthony Richardson or Riley Leonard. I mean, if only Debro. If only the Colts had a super athletic quarterback with a live arm on the roster. If only to go after Malik Willis. So I don't know, like, can Anthony Richardson's game be rehabilitated to the point where they think he's inadequate? Stand in for Daniel Jones until Jones is ready. I don't know. And do they want to have Malik Willis? And basically if you sign Malik Willis, you're kind of kicking Daniel Jones to the curb. Which, not that I'm like any big Daniel Jones defender, but he actually did play pretty good football for half a season.
Debra
But he's not going to be anywhere close to himself in 2026 with the, that's, that's my only worry about like. But to your point, Fitzy, should the packers trade like a 6th round pick to get Anthony Richardson now? Isn't that how this goes? La Flor rehabilitates him and then he goes off and gets another contract somewhere else?
Fitz
That would be.
Debra
I'm just reading the tea leaves, Fitzy.
Fitz
That would be fascinating. The other thing, if anyone can do it, make it work. I mean, let's go.
Debra
Exactly.
Ryan Wormley
Daniel Jones isn't under contract for 2026 yet also. So just like throwing that part of it out there. Good point. I do think that they intend to bring him back, but it hasn't actually happened yet. So given like I, I agree with you D bro. Like, I just think it's not about until Jones is ready to be on the field again. It's like I, I wouldn't expect him to be as good as he was at the start of last season right off the bat. Yeah. Like he relies on his mobility. Yeah.
Debra
Yeah. And they rely on their, their mobility less than, than he does. So, you know, that's, that's my only worry about like I, I feel like 26 is a lost season for Daniel Jones. I think you're more likely, and I know we're throwing a lot of predictions here. I think you're more likely to see Daniel Jones sign a one year deal with the Minnesota Vikings than you're seeing him sign a one year deal with the Colts.
Fitz
Interesting.
Ryan Wormley
Let's go to Titans at Jagged. Another quarterback question here, this one on Trevor Lawrence. No question about if he's going to be the starter in week one, but I'm curious what you guys think about him for 2026 rankings. He's played the best quarterback of his career to end 2025. Are you ranking him in 2026 as if this is a legitimate step forward with Liam Cohen or do you kind of want to fade the hype a little bit and say, hey, listen, he went nuclear for a month. Let's not get, you know, out over our skis in terms of ranking for 2026. Fats, I'm pulling up your rankings here. Yeah, you got him QB12 in your early 2026 rankings at quarterback feels about right now. How are you approaching ranking him coming off this, this real hot streak to end the year?
Fitz
Yeah, I feel like that's going to be below consensus. I've got him right now. The three quarterbacks in front of him, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Brock Purdy. And so if you look at it, Trevor Lawrence's passing numbers this season aren't really that much different than they were the last couple of years. Like his passer rating, his qbr, his yards per attempt, they're all pretty much in line with his numbers in those categories from the previous three season. The big difference, he's at nine touchdown runs this season. And in his other four NFL seasons he ran for two, five, four and three touchdowns. And he's also got a career high 26 touchdown passes. But that's not that wildly impressive a number. He had 25 TD passes in his second season. But yeah, I'm a little skeptical of Trevor Lawrence, even though the brilliance of Liam Cohen is undeniable. Just because I think the touchdown runs are really moving the needle like his. The gain he has in fantasy points from touchdown runs equates to probably two fantasy points a game. And that is putting him in lofty territory this year. I think there has been some improvement to his game, but I'm, I'm still not. Like, I don't think he's anywhere near the elite, even though he's been in elite quarterback the last couple of more than a month probably.
Ryan Wormley
I will be really curious to see where his ECR lands because I don't, I don't view 12 as that low. Not maybe in a vacuum. It sounds low given how he's finished. But like there's, I'm looking at the names ahead of him. Like there's just a lot of really good quarterbacks. Like, I'm not sure who I would even want. Even behind him you have Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford, Jordan Love, Bo Nix. Are the next four names in your rankings after Lawrence? Like those are all players who are good and have various degrees of floor and ceiling that I think you could argue compare well to Trevor Lawrence. So, like there's a lot of good names at the position.
Fitz
Yeah, I'd make a, I'd make a bet that in ECR Trevor Lawrence is going to be ahead of Caleb Williams.
Debra
Yep, I agree with that though.
Ryan Wormley
Deeper. Where do you see Lawrence going into next year? You know, is QB12 too high? Too low? Just right. What do you think about him? Like, you know, this hot streak compared to, is it a legitimate step forward?
Debra
I feel like I'm going to be splitting the difference between where Fitzy is and where I think consensus is going to be. I think consensus is going to bump him up to like QB6 or QB7.
Ryan Wormley
You think it'll be QB6 or 7? Oh, that's surprising.
Debra
Dude. I think he's gonna be QB7. Like, I think like, fine, you make the case of Josh Allen, Drake May, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and then it kind of gets like, where are people going after that? Like you have your, your top like four, maybe five quarterbacks, but then you get in the conversation of Jackson Dart, Jalen hurts. I think Dak Prescott should be ahead of him. But then what do people think about Jaden Daniels? Alec? I, I, I think he's going to be in QB7, like probably around that range. And I'm not saying that, that that's wrong, but right now, and I'm kind of, I pulled up the rankings platform and I'm kind of adjusting things on the fly as we're discussing all of this, I've got to make QB9. I've got Dak right ahead of him and I've got Jaden Daniels right ahead of him. I got Trevor Lawrence right in the same area code as Brock Purdy and Justin Herbert. And I feel that that's about right, man. Like I, I want to split the difference between this, the end of this season for Trevor Lawrence and Fitz. He's not wrong. Like, dude, the rushing production has been insane as far as the touchdowns. But what I will say is we also kind of lived in this world with previous seasons of Baker Mayfield running for more touchdowns and more mobility. And maybe that's also part of a Liam Cohen thing where we've talked about it for years now. Like Trevor Lawrence has the ability to run, although we've never seen it. The same thing we talked about with Justin Herbert before this year. And so I don't think the, I think the rushing touchdowns come back. I think the rushing production because if you look at, I mean basically since week nine, he's basically been most of these weeks a lock to hit at least 20 yards. He's had some games where he's hit at least 50 yards. So I think the rushing is going to stay in the sense of it's going to be a part of his game. Now is he going to have that many rushing touchdowns?
Fitz
No.
Debra
But can he have more passing touchdowns to kind of even it out, considering what we've seen out of the back half of the season and this passing offense, I think that that can kind of tilt things back in T law's favor. But Fitzy, you. I mean dude, you'll. You'll know where exactly where I'm living with this. Does this also kind of feel like maybe we're chasing to an extent kind of like we did with Jordan Love to close the season previous years. Does it feel like we're chasing just a little bit. And that's where I want to kind of come into the middle ground of between where Fitzy is at QB12 and where I think ECR is going to be at. Because guys just projected forward an entire off season to talk about Liam Cohen and Jacksonville and Travis Hunter coming back and Trevor Lawrence was QB1 since week 12, blah blah blah. Like he's gonna get steamed. It's gonna happen.
Ryan Wormley
I I think you're pro probably and possibly right that he'll be higher than QB12 in ECR. QB6 does sound very aggressive. Like I would, I would just rather have Justin Herbert assuming that the offensive line is now healthy going into next year.
Debra
Like I then people are going to say Justin Herbert can't stay healthy. They went back to being run heavy. What about the offensive line health? What about his weapons? I mean you could poke holes and basically every quarterback outside the top what.
Ryan Wormley
Three Lawrence vs. Mahomes is an interesting one with Mahomes coming off of the the knee injury too. So yeah, I think. I think it's gonna be really fascinating discussion point going into to next year. I want everybody to check this out. If you're like us and hate when your fantasy season ends before the real football gets good, you've got to try playoff blitz.com it's fantasy football built for the NFL playoffs. No draft, no waivers, no sweat. Members just pick a lineup each week from the playoff teams. They can only use each player once, so once they start him, they lose him. That's where the kicks in. And remember, no need to hold a draft. Just create a league and invite your friends. Starting a league is super easy. It takes less than a minute and you're all in. From wild card weekend to the Super Bowl. PlayoffBlitz.com is your home for playoff. Fantasy football leagues are just 79 bucks and can invite as many people as you'd like. Run an office pool, invite your regular season group or even your grandma's bingo league. Join today@compet PlayoffBlitz.com where fantasy football meets the Super Bowl. Enter promo code fantasy pros for a discount. That's playoffblitz.com promo code fantasy Pros For a discount on your league, let's go to packers at Vikings DBRO in 2026 drafts, will you be ranking Justin Jefferson as if 2025 was a one off down year? Or do you have longer term concerns for fantasy given what we saw this season?
Debra
Nah, I'm ragging him as a wide receiver one like I got him at wide receiver 11 right now. I think it's him versus somebody like Ted McMillan entering his second season I think is a fascinating conversation. But. But the volume is there, the talent is there. I mean dude, if JJ McCarthy can just be league average this year, Justin Jefferson should do what we think he's going to do. I just think it was the ultimate bad run out on so many different circumstances. So no, I'm not. This is, I feel like guys like this is how we get buying opportunities for players when they have down seasons. They burn so many people and people.
Ryan Wormley
Are like I'm not dragging that guy.
Fitz
Blah blah blah blah.
Debra
This is how you get values.
Ryan Wormley
There is definitely an emotional component to drafting for a lot of people where it's like oh, they burned me. Even if I understand logically why they should be ranked where they are, I can't bring myself to do it. I won't be surprised if some people feel that way with Jefferson, especially because like, like Malik Neighbors is a guy who will be ranked highly but you can just say, oh, he got injured. Like I'm not going to blame a guy for getting hurt Jefferson, like, because it was just like underperforming. I think people feel even more burned by that and like, well I was still starting him week each week and he was giving me these zeros. Unlike a guy who gets injured, you're like, well okay, like I just replaced him. And you almost forget about the guys who get hurt more so than the guys who are actually dragging down your team in your lineups week after week. Fitz, you have Justin Jefferson, wide receiver 7 in your early 2026 rankings. So it appears that, you know, maybe that's a little lower than he's been at some points in his career. You're not really fading him despite your reservations about J.J. mcCarthy.
Fitz
No. Maybe it's because I was one of the few people in America to win a championship in a league where I had Justin Jefferson this year. So obviously it was sort of in spite of Jefferson and not because of him. Yeah, I've got him ranked wide receiver 7 and 14th overall. So projecting him as an early second round pick on my Board. I just think he's too good to tank this badly again. Like, the numbers from the rest of his career are just too good. Receptions, yardage, yards per target, yards per route run. Coming into this season, like, I can't remember the exact numbers, but when you compared him to CD Lam and Jamar Chase and yards per route run, Lamb and Chase were at like 2.11 and 2.05, and Jefferson was like a 2.28. Like, he has been the king of efficiency. And for that to just bottom out this year was kind of startling. But, like, all of those numbers sort of validate his superstardom despite what we saw this year. And I think either J.J. mcCarthy shows improvement early in the 2026 season, or he's going to be out of a job. And I have no doubt the Vikings are going to make a significant investment in a backup quarterback this off season. To dbro's point, maybe it's someone like Daniel Jones.
Debra
Yep. I. I don't disagree. And to. To Fitzy, to. To your point, I think we're both going to be ahead of ECR and Jefferson.
Fitz
You think 11? I don't think you will be at 11.
Debra
Okay. You think ECR is going to be right with me?
Fitz
Like, I think it'll be around wide receiver nine for him.
Debra
Okay. Okay.
Ryan Wormley
We all are in agreement. We like Justin Jefferson so we can move on to Cowboys at Giants last game in the early slate. I want to ask about George Pickens. Where do you guys think George Pickens is going to end up this offseason? And where do you want him to end up this offseason? Dee, bro, I'll start with you.
Debra
Dallas. They're going to franchise tag him, and I want him in Dallas. I want him tied to Dak. I want him to stay in Dallas. I think that. Yeah, I mean, the easy answer is Dallas. And I've got George Pickens right now at wide receiver eight.
Ryan Wormley
And you. And you'd rather see him as, like, the number two behind CD as opposed to a chance to be number one somewhere.
Debra
This is the Cincinnati Bengals of Texas. Yes, that's exactly what I want to see.
Ryan Wormley
Fitz, what do you think? Where do you think he ends up, and where do you want him to end up?
Fitz
Yeah, so first of all, Worm, I thought this was just a 2026 quarterback show, so I'm glad we're getting into the wide receiver portion. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I agree with Hero. I think the Cowboys are going to tag him and keep him, and I'm good With that, we got the breakout season from George Pickens that we were waiting for. It happened in Dallas. Run it back with Pickens and Dak Prescott and CD Lamb because offense was certainly not the Dallas Cowboys problem this season. And it's funny that Debro and I basically have Justin Jefferson and Pickens flipped in our rankings because I've got Pickens 11 and Jefferson 7 and Debro has Pickens 8 and Jefferson 11th.
Debra
Fitzy. It's funny because I remember living in a world this summer where George Pickens was a wide receiver three and adp.
Fitz
But I, I get it. I mean, there were some questions and, and we briefly saw that with Pickens where he, you know, couple of games where maybe we didn't get his top efforts. So there, there are some issues and I think they're probably going to be stretches next season where Pickens is not the guy we hoped he would be. But we've also seen what the ceiling looks like for him and it was pretty spectacular.
Debra
It was amazing.
Ryan Wormley
The Cowboys are interesting because I think I could have easily asked the exact same question for Javante Williams, you know.
Debra
And I think he ends up back in Dallas just to throw that in.
Ryan Wormley
There real fast too. Yeah. And that's, that's where you want him back? I mean, that seems like the obvious place to want.
Debra
I think, I think they could sign him for cheap. I think they, to an extent, I think it's kind of like. Well then it's kind of like do you think they learned their. They didn't learn their lesson with Rico Dowdle, so they let him walk and they found the next guy off of the scrap heap. So like, do they go that route again? But I think, I just think Javant the difference in that is I think Javante is young enough where you can give him and the track record. You could give him a three year. Give him like the Chuba Hubbard deal to where basically it's. It's two like three years or so and the guaranteed money falls off after two years. You're not breaking the bank and stuff like that. And you, you've got, I mean Javante's been awesome this year.
Ryan Wormley
It didn't hit me fits until you made the joke about how we've talked about all these quarterbacks. Like, I guess that makes sense because we've been going through the early Sunday slate, which is the bad teams that are irrelevant, which of course are largely bad because there are questions at quarterback. So I guess it kind of makes sense.
Fitz
Good point.
Ryan Wormley
Yes. The episode has been skewed that way. Let's go to the late afternoon slate here. Similar question to what we just asked on Pickens, but for Breece Hall. Where do you think Breeze hall is going to end up this offseason? By the jets at Bills is the game. Where do you think Breeze hall is going to end up this off season and where do you want him to end up?
Fitz
Fitz Let me start with the wants. I want Breeze hall to end up with the Kansas City Chiefs. Isaiah Pacheco and Kareem Hunt are both going to be unrestricted free agents. I believe it would be awesome for the Chiefs to finally have a premier running back with Patrick Mahomes. They blew a chance to have one a few years ago when they drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire over Jonathan Taylor in 2020. Just a colossal blunder by Chiefs GM Brett Veach that I still don't think he gets enough grief about. The only issue is that the Chiefs are in salary cap hell. So Veach would have to be pretty creative to get Breeze hall in the fold. So do I think he ends up with the Chiefs? I'll say yes. But let me give you two other possibilities. One, the Texans who are, I mean they are there on defense like they have one of the elite defenses if they give like they need a little bit of offensive line restructuring and they could use a running game because I don't think Woody Marks is the guy. I think Woody Marx is kind of bad, quite honestly.
Debra
Agreed.
Fitz
So he would be a really nice piece for the Texans to maybe put that offense over the top. And Texans though also not in the best salary cap shape right now. I think maybe the most likely in terms of like who could do it and drive the Brinks truck up to Breeze Hall's house would maybe be the Washington Commanders who obviously have a need at running back and a Breeze hall like seeing him play with Jaden Daniels, that would be pretty cool too.
Debra
Debra, I literally have two teams written down here. Washington Commanders and Houston Texans. So Fitz, he's right. I mean we're, we're set mind meld here man. I, I can't agree any more with. I will throw a third wild card team in here. The Arizona Cardinals are 14th in cap space. If they bring Gannon back, they have shown the proclivity to want to run the ball. I think they can get out of James Connor's contract too. Trey Benson has not shown that he could stay healthy, much less be the guy. So that's the other, the third dark horse team that I'll give here. But I. I emphatically agree with Fitzy. I think the two favorites are the commanders and the Texans.
Ryan Wormley
Do you guys think it's a lock?
Debra
Number one, do you think it's a.
Ryan Wormley
Lock that he's not back with New York?
Debra
Oh, yes, emphatically. I know.
Ryan Wormley
I mean, I don't think he'll return, but yeah, mentioned.
Debra
Well, I just can't see it happening.
Fitz
Yeah.
Debra
Unless they bring a new head coach in. Like, if Aaron Glenn is back, he ain't back.
Fitz
I kind of think it makes more sense for the jets to spend their resources in other places and let give Braille and Allen kind of a shot. But have Braylon Allen partner with maybe a rookie or some, you know, or.
Debra
Isaiah Davis and they're fine.
Fitz
Yeah, Yeah.
Ryan Wormley
I. To be clear, I don't think he's going back to New York. I just. I just was just surprised that it was like, not even mentioned, I guess as a. As a possibility. But I, I agree. I don't.
Fitz
They just.
Debra
I mean, do you think from his tweet he wants to go back?
Ryan Wormley
No, no, I don't think he wants to go back. But I'm just saying, like, you know, they didn't trade him when they could have gotten rid of him, so it makes me think they like him. And I don't know. Again, I. I do not think he's coming back. I just saying, you know, maybe a non zero chance, but. All right, let's talk about a prize that we're giving away. The winner of the B John Robinson and Drake London signed mini helmet giveaway is Kirkland Carter. We will be contacting you to get that prize, so stay on the lookout. Congratulations, Kirkland Carter on winning. And if you want a chance to win the ultimate symbol of fantasy glory, the fantasy football championship belts, courtesy of our good friends at Trophy Smack, the number one destination for epic fantasy football hardware, then this is your moment. This massive gold plated belt is built to make a statement. It's bold, heavy, and it's guaranteed to turn heads in your league. Don't just win your championship, wear it. To enter, all you need to do is subscribe to the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel right now. Drop a comment below on any of our videos. That's it. We will be announcing a winner right here on the channel, so make sure to turn on notifications so you don't miss your chance to claim this championship belt and flex on your entire league. Next game here, guys. Lions at Bears. Hype for Luther Burden has been gaining steam as of late and some are Projecting a major breakout in his second season. Where do you anticipate ranking burden in drafts come August? Deborah, I'll start with you.
Debra
I think borderline wide receiver 2/3. I've got Burden at wide receiver 26 right now, but I can tell you right now that he is going to go way higher than that. They are going to be people that are and I'm not saying they're out over their skis. I'm just saying the burden hype will be hot and heavy. He is going to be when it's probably all said and done and the steam and stuff burned. I'm not gonna say it's burn burns people, but there's going to be a lot of it. He's probably going to be a third round pick right before we get to next year's. I mean, tell me I'm wrong. Fitzy. Like people are already cooking it up right now like how he's finishing this season and then like Zacchaeus is not going to be part of it. DJ Moore. I I'm guessing Chicago Trades. DJ Moore. So now you're looking at a passing attack. That's Roma Dunes A Luther Burton and Colston Loveland. I, I just think he's going to be a borderline wide receiver 2. 3. I think he's going to be a third round pick because everybody is going to hype up all of his efficiency. I've already seen the tweets, man. People are like, oh, his yards per route run and they're not wrong. But all of that stuff is going to continue to build throughout the entirety of the off season and he's going to be a third round pick and I get it like right now among 70 qualifying wide receivers, he's 30 yards per route run and he's 11th and first downs per out run. And yes, you're going to hear those stats touted the entirety of the off season by the entire fantasy community.
Ryan Wormley
I mean it does make sense though. This is a player who had pedigree.
Debra
Coming into all those Almond Rossi and Brown comparisons previously. Offense. It's going to. The narratives are going to come right back.
Ryan Wormley
Yes. And I, I can buy like a third round feels aggressive but like I, I can totally buy why there is a lot of hype and I have seen a lot of those tweets too. Dbro people talking about him like he's a top 12 wide receiver in Dynasty right now going forward and things like that. Which, which again, it feels aggressive but again, a guy with pedigree who has great efficiency Numbers who the opportunity is likely going to be better and let alone just the fact that it's going to be year two of the Ben Johnson offense for everybody you would expect to be, you know, kind of operating on a higher level. But I think the real key will be like if DJ Moore, if DJ Moore is gone, then it feels like, I feel like the hype is going to be really warranted because the opportunity will be there barring them adding somebody else. If DJ Moore is still back, I'm still going to be pretty nervous about. About usage.
Debra
Play it this way. Look at ECR right now and Fitz, I know your rankings are different in mine, but the guys that I have right ahead of him are people when they are in drafts next year, in best ball drafts and in redrafts. Tell me who they're going to be excited to click the button on over Luther Burton. Cortland Sutton. No. Devonte Smith? No. Zay Flowers? No. Jaylen Waddle? Maybe Lad Monkey. Who knows? Like there's a, like all of those guys right now are wide receiver twos. Nobody's going to want to click the button for those guys over Luther Burden. And, and the sexiness of Luther Burden and the hype that's going to build.
Fitz
Christian Watson or Luther Burden.
Debra
I'll take Watson, but I know that I'm, I'm on the other side of that because Watson's been their clear wide receiver one to finish the freaking season. And Romeo Dobbs is not going to be back. I will take Watson in that and I know everybody's going to hate that.
Ryan Wormley
Deborah, would you rather have a Buka or Burden?
Debra
I would take Burton versus a Buko with the caveat that I think Mike Evans is back. If Evans is out, then it's a conversation. We can coin flip it.
Ryan Wormley
Fitz, you've got Luther Burton at wide receiver 26. So basically right in line with where Deborah has him. Yeah.
Fitz
And 59th overall which puts him borderline fifth, sixth round, late fifth. I could see him getting up to the fourth. Maybe he gets up to the third in like underdog best ball drafts where everyone goes wide receiver crazy. The only thing is people are going to look at that offense, say that they're going to see that Romo Dunes is there, that Colston Loveland was really on the come up at the end of the season and that Ben Johnson loves to run the ball, which is not going to change. So I don't know if, I don't know if he's going to have enough steam to get to the third but I do get the enthusiasm. I mean I love the kid. He's just so quick. And you know, before the season we were talking about the comps for him when we were doing prospecting and mine was Allen Iverson. Not even a football, just the quickness, the stop start ability and I think his ball skills are really underrated which we saw a lot of at Missouri but have maybe not yet seen. I just the other thing like the rate stats are great Debro, but this is a guy who didn't play more than a third of the offensive snap to the Bears until like I agree with you. So the surface stats I think are going to hold because the surface stats are going to look pretty meager. I don't know if he can get all the way into the third, but fourth wouldn't shock me.
Debra
I'll throw this back at you Fitzy, Christian Watson or Luther Burton, who are you?
Fitz
I've got Watson ranked higher.
Debra
Yes.
Ryan Wormley
Let'S go to Chargers at Broncos do we think RJ Harvey will be the clear cut RB1 in Denver going into next season or will Sean Payton add a decent back to split carries with Harvey? Fitz, I'll start with you.
Fitz
I can give it a quick answer here. I think it's going to be mostly Harvey, but I do think the Broncos will bring in at least one more running back, whether it's via the draft or free agency.
Debra
I agree with Fitzy and I think that what Harvey has shown over the back half of the season like his ability to not only handle volume but but everybody wants to talk about his inefficiencies on early downs and I'm not saying that that's a lot of that is not warranted. His vision on running plays has not been great. I do think that the Broncos need to tweak their run scheme some to better fit him, but I think we're getting lost in the sauce of like what we covet about Sean Payton backs and the fact that he has excelled as a pass catcher dude like since weeks week 11amongst 31 qualifying running backs, he's seventh in targets per game. He's seventh in receiving yards per game and he's gotten done with the efficiency. He's 8th in yards per out run behind Devon HN and he's 5th and first downs per outrun right ahead of Jameer Gibbs. So that past game acumen and we know that that is going to carry over. I mean dude, I feel vindicated but I hate it because it happened so late in the season and I know it took a J.K. dobbins injury to happen, but the fact that since week 11 he's been RB9 in fantasy points per game. So the process of him being an RB1 this year was not wrong. I think he is an RB one next year, and I do think they bring somebody in to split the work, but he's the clear lead back.
Ryan Wormley
Let's go into a really fascinating player to talk about. Cardinals at Rams. Sure. How are you Approaching Marvin Harrison Jr. In 2026 traps as of right now? Fifth. I kind of just throw my hands up at this. What are you doing with Harrison?
Fitz
I'm approaching him very cautiously. I have him ranked wide receiver 37, one spot behind Michael Wilson. And with that ranking from Marvin Harrison Jr. I suspect that I will not get him in any drafts next year. And I'm totally okay with that because whether you are a film person or a numbers person, I don't think there's evidence on either side of the coin to support the idea that this is a superstar waiting to break out. And I mean, I hate that because I thought he was going to be a superstar based on what I saw from him at Ohio State, knowing that he came from that Brian Hartline tree of just phenomenal wide receivers. I don't think it's totally out of the question that Marvin Harrison Jr. Becomes a star, but I think it's pretty unlikely that he becomes a star after this disappointing a start to his career.
Ryan Wormley
The case for Harrison would be that it's just really clear that Kyler Murray is not it. And you know, he was banging with.
Fitz
Jacoby Brissette either, really, but punked him.
Ryan Wormley
He, he was hurt for, you know, a chunk of that stretch with, with Brissette. I, I, I'm not saying I'm making that case. I'm saying if you want to make that's what the case is, is that he has not had the best quarterback set up and then when he finally did have somebody who was throwing a lot and at least, I mean, not that Jacoby Brissette is great, but like was producing, you know, he wasn't fully healthy at that time. And if that's, if you're making the upside case here, dbro, I know you are not going to be making that case.
Debra
I mean, I'm not making the case because like Fitzy just laid out like there's no, there's nothing I can point to. And I said this last year, like I faded him all draft season for this past season and I'm going to do it again like there's nothing to point to analytically, like whether, and I agree, like with Fitz, like whether you want to talk about numbers or film. There's nothing to point to it. To be honest. I think Marvin Harrison Jr. Needs a change of scenery. I think he needs to be traded somewhere else. Like it personally, like I, I think that needs to happen. I think this kid needs a restart. Now if you were to tell me he's going to restart and he goes to someplace like, okay, fine, the Chargers move on from Keenan Allen and he ends up in la or he goes somewhere else where he is the definitive one and it's a good, really good setup for him. Like, you know, then fine, okay, cool. Then maybe I'm back in and stuff like that. But right now I faded him last year and I'm gonna fade him again this year.
Fitz
You're a Trey Harris guy. Why are you wanting to send him to the chart?
Debra
I don't want to do it to Trey Harris.
Ryan Wormley
I know that.
Debra
I know, I know, I know. I don't want that to happen to Trey Harris. I want Trey Harris. Breakout season.
Ryan Wormley
All right, let's go to Chiefset Raiders here. How should the Chiefs approach fixing the offense this off season with question marks surrounding Mahomes and his health and as of right now, question marks surrounding Kelsey and if he's even going to be playing again next year. Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. How should the Chiefs approach the off season?
Fitz
Get a legitimate running back. Get a big bodied X receiver for the love of God. Because they, they need one man. I mean like a possession guy for Patrick Mahomes and a guy who can maybe help as a run blocker because like I don't think they can keep going at it with the Smurfs at wide receiver. And I know Rushi Rice is maybe not kind of in that category, but like, you know, Rice worthy and some big bodied X who doesn't even necessarily need to be like A.J. brown caliber.
Debra
Marvin Jr.
Ryan Wormley
I was just, I was just gonna say Harrison.
Debra
Yeah, I know. We just talked about him. Change of scenery, would you be in?
Fitz
So mainly those two things. I want a real running back for the Chiefs and I want a big body to X receiver for Patrick Mahomes.
Ryan Wormley
I'll tell you right now, if they trade for Marvin Harrison Jr. I will be drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. I will talk myself into it, I promise you. Okay. Yeah. So getting. What would you prefer if they, if they only did one, a running back or a big bodied receiver?
Fitz
I think I want the X Receiver. I mean, you can ham and egg it with running backs. Although, you know, I would hope that one of them would not be Kareem Haunts. So X receivers, what I would most wish for for Patrick Miller, Holmes, I.
Ryan Wormley
Feel like bare minimum, like even if they're not signing Bree hall, like they at least draft somebody in like the fourth round or something. Like just like get a capable, seemingly capable name in there. Dbro, what do you think? What should the Chiefs do this off season?
Debra
I agree with everything Fitzy said. Two things on my list were running back and ex receiver. They. They don't have anybody on that entire freaking roster right now that can beat man coverage. They don't have an answer for it. You can man up against the Chiefs right now and they're not going to do a freaking thing to stop you. Rashid Rice. That ain't his game. Xavier Worthy. No. So in Travis Kelsey regard, that used to be their answer for it. It ain't now. Not this version. Travis Kelsey. So they need an X receiver emphatically. And they need a running back. Now can you, you know, get that guy in the back half of the NFL draft? Sure. Can you pick him up off the scrap heap? Sure. Could that happen? Absolutely. But they need, they need an option that can beat man coverage and they don't have it.
Ryan Wormley
Three more questions here. I think we can go pretty quickly through these Dolphins at Patriots. Are you going to be drafting Trayvon Henderson next year? As if he is the clear cut RB1 in New England or do you expect more headaches in terms of workload? Dubro.
Debra
Oh man. Fitzy, where do you have him in your ranks?
Fitz
RB15.
Debra
Okay, I got him at RB16. Clear cut RB1. I mean, I guess that's what we're kind of saying with our rankings here. I mean, he's an RB2, but clear cut. Like is he going to take over the backfield and Ramondre is going to be the. The clear cut number two, I think in, in year two. Yeah, like that's what we should be projecting second year breakouts for talented freaking players and guys that showed flashes in the back half of the season. Now the problem with Trayvon and the reason we haven't seen like just monster games in the back half is they do not trust him on passing down snapshots. They don't. Ramondre is out there for pass blocking. He's running most of the routes. Now if that flips, that's Travion Henderson's path to being monster RB1. And honestly, that's where we should be projecting it in 2026. If not, then you don't believe in Treveon Henderson and then don't draft him.
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, there's this really interesting stretch of running backs like Traven Henry. I'm looking at Fitz's rankings so that obviously this is an ECR, but like Henderson 15, Harvey 16, Scatterboo 18, you know, other names in that range, Kyron ETN, Kenneth Walker, Javante is right after that group that's starting to get pretty further down from where Henderson is. But I think it's a really interesting group of names to be kind of parsing between in that, like just after the top 14 or so I think is really, really fascinating for next year. So we'll, we'll see what new if New England does anything with the position in the off season differently, that might be a surprise and kind of looks going in. But yeah, it's, it's, it's going to be like an upside versus floor, I think, debate. If you're taking Henderson versus some of these other names, Henderson could be a.
Debra
League winner next year. Yeah, if he gets fit. He, he gets.
Ryan Wormley
What do you think?
Debra
Maybe.
Fitz
I mean, I'm, I'm drafting him not really as a clear cut, RB1 workhorse type guy, but as a versatile and explosive timeshare back capable of doing considerable damage on 10 to 15 touches a game, much like Jameer Gibbs in his first couple of years in the league with the Lions. And that guy can be a league winner, but he's just not going to be doing it on 20 touches a game, which is fine. I mean, that's kind of the way the NFL has, has gone. And the workhorse backs are, you can count them on, you know, one, maybe two hands. So I just think that's always what Travion Henderson was going to be. That's how he operated in his final season at Ohio State, where he never had more than what, 10, 10 or 12 carries in a game. So that's just what he is. And I think that's fine because no one was complaining about Jameer Gibbs in his second season with the Lions.
Debra
Yeah, which is basically R.J. harvey over the back half of this season without J.K. dobbins playing 60% of the snaps, getting a crap ton of passing game work. Yeah, I mean, as we've talked about this, I've bumped Trayvon Henderson up a little bit. He's RB13 for me.
Ryan Wormley
So, Commanders at Eagles. What do you want to see the Commanders do to help Jaden Daniels bounce back Both for Washington in real life and for fantasy managers fits well.
Fitz
Breeze hall would definitely help at any rate. Like even if they don't go all in with Breeze, hall can be the do everything back. At least find a pass catching running back more dynamic than Jeremy McNichols and and maybe find Jane Daniels a pass catching tight end. And Ben Sennett could be that guy. Maybe not. But when Jaden Daniels was really cooking late in his rookie season, he and Zach Ertz were making beautiful music together. And unfortunately I think Ertz is probably at the end of the line after tearing his acl at age 35. And the commanders could probably use one more receiver. I think Debo Samuel is going to be an unrestricted free agent. Terry McLaurin's fine. Maybe Luke McCaffrey can turn into something. Maybe Jalen Lane can turn into something. But I think you need at least one more quality addition in that wide receiver room.
Ryan Wormley
Debra.
Debra
It's, it's twofold for me. They need to further bolster their offensive line. I think they need a big upgrade at left guard in considering the CAB space they could probably do that easily. Like depending on which route you want to go. I think Kevin Zeitler would make a ton of sense. Isaac so Mallow would make a ton of sense depending on how much you want to spend on that position. But I think upgrading the offensive line, I am emphatically with Fitzy and that they need to get younger at the skill positions. I think one they do that in the sense of I don't think Erz is back. I think Ben Senate's gonna be their starting tight end. I'm going to be drafting him everywhere. I mean if you're tying high end tight end outcomes to high end athleticism then you need to believe in Ben Senate as well as dude, we almost saw this happen and he almost landed here. Now tell me just bring in the former 49ers Brandon Iuk to Washington. Like can we just sew that in right now? Like he's not happy. This is where he's going to want to go. He's going to want to be reunited with Jaden Daniels and you're telling me an offense that has regarding whatever they do at running back, they improve the offensive line and then you got Terry McLaurin coming off a season. I think he can have a bounce back season and then Brandon Iuk fully healthy. Yeah.
Ryan Wormley
Let's go Sunday Night Football last Game of the 2025 regular season Ravens at Steelers I laughed at anybody who suggested any like that Seattle San Francisco or Tampa Bay. Carolina was going to be the Sunday night game. Once the Browns won, it was always going to be Raven Steelers. This is what NBC wanted with the Ravens extending Mark Andrews, do you expect to see Isaiah likely somewhere other than Baltimore next year? And if he is somewhere else and that team's clear starter at tight end, where will you be ranking likely in fantasy?
Debra
Debro borderline tight end one Just depends on where he goes and the contract he gets. I mean you can make a lot of cases for Miami, maybe Tennessee. Probably not. They probably roll with go under helm Kansas City if Kelsey doesn't come back, Tampa Bay would be very interesting. Although there's so many mouths to feed in that offense. So it just depends on where he lands. He's probably going to be like a top 15ish tight end for me, top 16 depending on where he goes in the. In the spot. I mean I, I'm more of a believer in the. In the the talent of Isaiah likely than I was in previous years, but it really just depends.
Ryan Wormley
Dude, Fitz, you appear to have him lower so you have him tight end 20. Is that you anticipating that he doesn't leave Baltimore and is going to be kind of in this split tight end room again?
Fitz
It's just a real tentative placeholder ranking worm. Like, I will absolutely move him up if I like the landing spot and hopefully he does go to a place where he's the clearest starter at tight end and a place where we like the quarterback. So I'm much more likely to move him up than down after free agency. So. And just for the record, I have Mark Andrews tight end 19, which I think might, you know, you might find that repellent. But you know, Andrews, if, if he is kind of the main tight end for the Ravens and like doesn't have Isaiah likely running the same number of routes or whatever. We. It's gross, but we know Mark Andrews scores a lot of touchdowns.
Ryan Wormley
The thing with Andrews, first of all, he hasn't had a touchdown since week 11, which is kind of surprising. I the thing with Andrews for me is that I think he is very likely to finish better than tight end 19. But he's still not somebody that I'm going to want to draft because I'm just going to like be making the case for other people. Like, I think at the end of the year, like that will be a value if you get him that late. Like that will look low, but the process of getting there I don't think is going to be this like, exciting fantasy season and he's just not the type of guy I'm going to want to take a swing on. Is is my anticipation for next year.
Debra
And who knows if Lamar Jackson's gonna be the quarterback in Baltimore next year.
Ryan Wormley
He'S gonna be the quarterback in Baltimore. It's a ridiculous I just had to gaslight you.
Debra
I couldn't pass it up.
Ryan Wormley
This would this would need to be a two hour show for us to get into that report because I have a lot of thoughts on it. We do have a second question on this game. Each week we Highlight our favorite 3 and 4 star props from the first Prop Bet Cheat sheet ahead of Sunday Night Football. D what's your favorite three or four star prop for this week's game?
Debra
Oh man, I'll I'll stay with Zay Flowers on this three star bet. The over four and a half receptions on the prop Ed cheat sheet we have projected for 5.4 receptions. He tore up the secondary last time like eight catches for 124 so I think Zay Flowers can do it again.
Fitz
Fitz this one's a four star bet on our prop Bet cheat sheet. It's It's Kenneth Gainwell over 27 and a half receiving yards and with DK Metcalf suspended, the Steelers just have so little firepower at wide receiver. Aaron Rodgers has got really no choice but to lean heavily on his running backs and tight ends in this game. Now it didn't really work last week where Gainwell had three touch three catches for only 12 yards against the Browns, but over his last seven games, Gainwell has averaged five catches and 42.7 receiving yards a game. He's kind of become a linchpin of the Pittsburgh passing game and the Ravens worm. As you know, they kind of give it up to running backs in the passing game. They've allowed the third most receptions and fourth most receiving yards. Two running backs and Gainwell had six catches for 27 yards against the Ravens back in week 14.
Ryan Wormley
Those were our top prop bets for Sunday Night Football this week, courtesy of Betting Pros. You can check out our NFL Prop Bet cheat sheet@bettingpros.com props premium subscribers have access to our five star prop bets, which have a 57% win rate and we're up over 94 units this season. Luckily, we've also got a special offer for everyone to unlock a month of Betting Pros Premium for free. Download the Betting Pros app today and use promo code FP1MONTH. That's the number one not spelled out at checkout to Redeem your offer. Last question, guys. Who wins this game and wins the AFC North? Ravens are favored by three and a half points in Pittsburgh. I actually think that line is too big, even though I do still think the Ravens pull it out. Dbro, what say you, Ravens?
Debra
That I'm not giving any credence to the Steelers. They're.
Ryan Wormley
No, this is. We've learned this lesson many times, Fitz, that like every time it seems obvious that the Steelers should lose. They win. Are you expecting more Tomlin Devil magic here or are you going with Ravens?
Fitz
Yeah, Tomlin Devil magic. Because we've seen it the last two weeks. You know, no one expected them to go into Detroit and beat the Lions. They did. No one expected them to just completely take a dump against the Browns and lose that game. They did. No one expects them to beat the Ravens this week. I think they will.
Debra
Sorry.
Ryan Wormley
No, it's okay. This is a Raven scene that's not going to win the super bowl anyway. So it would be more. I want them to win, of course, but it would be easier to swallow them losing in a year where I don't think they have real, you know, super bowl aspirations anyway. Although, Fitz, they did look good against, against your Packers. I will admit that was.
Debra
I love how he leaves the light on at the very end of this after being like, well, they're not gonna to win the super bowl, so forget the playoffs. Who. Who wants playoffs?
Ryan Wormley
Well, I, I. Yeah, I. Honestly, watching that game against the packers had me rethinking if they could win the super bowl or not. That was like, oh, wow. Maybe Derrick Henry can just like be the hall of Famer he is and take them all the way. Plus, Lamar practiced all week, so he will be back.
Debra
Insane things happen when you get the ball to Derrick Henry.
Fitz
Who knew?
Ryan Wormley
Yeah, it's great stuff. All right, we'll go ahead and wrap up with our super long episode, but we were talking through a whole bunch of angles here on the offseason and beyond, so I really appreciate everybody sticking with us. If you're watching this, even though your championship, you know, week is done, we really appreciate you and we appreciate anybody who listened to us all season long. So thanks for being a part of our in season coverage here for the 2025 fantasy year. We've got a couple live streams and things like that for folks with Week 18 games, but we're pretty much wrapped up here and getting into off season mode, so. Looking forward to it. Can't wait to be back next year for 2026 for Debro and Fitz. I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We really do appreciate hope everybody had a great holiday season and New Year's and we'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on apple podcasts@fantasypros.com review or on Spotify. Follow us on X, Instagram and TikTok @Fantasy Pros and subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com fantasypros.
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In this special episode, Ryan, Debro, and Fitz close out the 2025 season by skipping the quiet Week 18 slate and looking ahead to the 2026 season. For each matchup, the team picks out a significant question about at least one team’s fantasy outlook moving into the offseason. It's a rapid-fire deep-dive through rookies, free agents, shakeups, and early rankings—perfect for fantasy managers eager to get an edge on next year.
“He started off so strong, was looking like a walk-in WR1 in dynasty...and then it just kind of fell apart.”
— Ryan Wormley (03:45)
“I’m already pining for prospects and 2026 rankings, man.”
— Debro (02:13)
“He's played well… for the Saints, yeah, you’re rolling with Tyler Shough in 2026.”
— Debro (18:05)
“It’s been a nightmare to manage in 2025.”
— Fitz (14:29)
“Breece Hall would definitely help…”
— Fitz (68:14)
Lively, fast-paced, friendly banter with robust statistical backup and some heated debates. Fitz is measured and data-driven, Debro brings more hot takes and Xs-and-Os flavor, and Ryan keeps the discussion anchored and fun. There’s camaraderie but room for disagreement, with a layer of nerdy excitement about early projections and potential sleepers.
This episode provides a comprehensive, team-by-team fantasy “jumpstart” for 2026. The hosts offer strong stances on key risers, fallers, and likely offseason moves, with a measured approach to late-season surges. Fantasy managers should cue in on upcoming free agency, role changes, and the impacts on early drafts as rosters and depth charts shake up over the coming months.
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