The Extra Point: Brock Purdy Replacements, Tyreek Hill’s Value, and Running Back Trade Targets (Ep. 1704)

Summary

FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast: The Extra Point

Episode 1704, September 12, 2025 Hosts: Chris Welsh & Andrew Erickson
Main Topics: Brock Purdy Replacements, Tyreek Hill’s Value, Running Back Trade Targets

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Episode Overview

In this week’s Extra Point episode, Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson host a live, interactive Q&A with their Discord audience. The discussion focuses on actionable fantasy football strategy in the wake of big Week 1 developments, including how to handle Brock Purdy’s injury, Tyreek Hill's outlook amid team rumors, prime running back trade targets, and nuanced start/sit advice for Week 2. The hosts blend sharp analysis, real listener questions, and their signature easy banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Quarterback Fallout: Brock Purdy’s Injury & Streaming Options

• Purdy’s Turf Toe: Out 2-5 weeks, Mac Jones starting for the 49ers (08:00)

  • Welsh (07:41): “It had been floating around…nope, he’s out two to five weeks. Turf toe. Mac Jones is going to be in.”
  • Mac Jones isn’t “worst-case” for 49ers skill players, but uncertainty around new connections (Piersall, Jennings).

• Streaming Replacements Debate (05:22)

  • Question: Start Drake May or McCarthy in place of Purdy?
  • Welsh & Erickson: Drake May by a wide margin. Both rank May top-10 for the week.
  • Welsh (05:29): “I am Drake May on this one. Big time.”
  • Erickson (05:51): “Yep. Drake May for me too.”

• Start/Sit: May vs. Dak Prescott

  • Both like May (Welsh has him at QB7, Erickson at QB10), but still comfortable with Dak (59:02).

2. Impact on SF 49ers Offense

• Ricky Pearsall Outlook with Mac Jones (08:49, 10:45):

  • Both hosts express more skepticism—Piersall remains a WR3/flex, but with increased risk due to QB and O-line questions.
  • They see Christian McCaffrey as locked in; Brian Robinson is a cheap play; less interest in Joann Jennings for now.

• Erickson (10:45): “Piersall just brings an extra layer of more boom or bust...connection between Mac Jones and Piersall…additional risk.”

3. Buy-Low Trade Targets and Player Valuations

• Marvin Harrison Jr. as a Buy Target (06:15):

  • Erickson: “Marvin Harrison is probably the least talked about buy candidate after Week 1...I would be sending out offers.”
  • Harrison had a solid game, but hype is muted compared to other breakouts.

• Running Back Trade Targets

  • Receivers with RB depth: Use surplus WRs to target RBs who had rough Week 1 (James Cook, Dolphins’ HN/Achane).
  • Welsh (12:48): “Love the idea of trading one of those wideouts for those running backs...Tet for an HN right now.”
  • Erickson: Advocates for James Cook but “don’t overpay...Cook or Achane are comparable after Week 1 struggles.”

• Debo Samuel’s Market (15:00, 15:20):

  • Recognized as a potential sell-high; likely returns a low RB2 (Charbonnet, Mason, RJ Harvey) rather than a top option.
  • Erickson: “After one strong week, if you don’t need him immediately, flip Debo for a RB with upside for later.”

• George Pickens as Trade Chip (17:59):

  • Must wait for a boom game to sell; you won’t get value right after a dud.

4. Tyreek Hill: Value & Season-long Outlook

• Listener Question: Start Emeka Egbuka over Tyreek Hill or T. Higgins? (36:42)

  • Both hosts agree: you can't bench T. Higgins for Egbuka, even after a rough Week 1 for Bengals.
  • Erickson (37:28): “I wouldn’t start him over T. Higgins...the Bengals go ‘brr’ this week at home. Wheels up.”
  • Even with Tyreek’s off-field issues and WR27 ECR consensus, they heavily favor proven studs unless dire circumstances.

• Season Outlook for Tyreek (36:42–38:23):

  • Baggage and uncertainty, but talent still outweighs most alternatives.
  • Erickson: “So much stuff going on…so much baggage with him.”

5. Week 2 Start/Sit and Tier Breakdowns

• RB Tiers for Start Decisions (Afro Pikachu Q, 29:03):

  • Warren, Charbonnet, Samson, Harvey in that order (Welsh).
  • Erickson moves Sampson above (especially in PPR): “If he’s going to catch 8 passes a week…so confident about his role.”

• Javonte Williams vs. Egbuka for Flex (42:30–44:44):

  • In standard, touchdown equity leans toward Javonte, but Welsh ultimately favors Egbuka due to Evans likely being locked down by Stingley and high volume.

• Baker Mayfield or Justin Fields at QB? (44:47):

  • Fields’ upside prevails, despite Bucs fandom.

• Drake May vs. QB Wire Options

  • Both hosts agree: No need to force a trade or drop positional depth for QB after a single rough week; trust the roster for now (45:16, 46:20, 47:20).
  • Focus on bye weeks and matchups as they approach.

• TE Streaming in a “chopped” league (50:10):

  • Kraft, Hunter Henry, Brenton Strange are discussed; Thursday plays avoided if possible.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mic Drop Moment (Skim Milk, 04:48):

  • Welsh (04:48): “That was like having a boss…he bullied me around, then asked a kicker question. Biggest mic drop anyone’s ever seen.”

• Erickson on Niners O-line Woes (08:49):

  • “Trent Williams looked a lot more like a 37-year-old left tackle than a Hall of Fame all-pro.”

• On Buy-Low Running Backs (13:44):

  • “If you’re buying any type of Dolphins, you gotta be getting a deal...the floor could bottom out.”

• On Recency Bias (41:41):

  • “With these boom-or-bust receivers, you gotta ride the highs and lows. Prices fluctuate so much with them.”

• On Start/Sit Logic in Standard (43:17):

  • “For standard leagues, look at who has the higher odds to score a touchdown—touchdowns are the majority of your points.”

• Erickson’s Trade Heist Story (51:38):

  • “Turned garbage into something...we traded James White twice for profit after he got cut. Can you name a time you did that?”

• Welsh Reminisces on Men In Black/Jump Street Crossover (40:11):

  • “That might have been the greatest movie of all time...all I wanted in the world.”

• Erickson on Emotional Management (19:39):

  • “People don’t want to trade for receivers after they bomb...one week it’s ‘is this guy worth it?’ next week you want to start him.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:14] Purdy Injury, Drake May vs. McCarthy Streaming
• [06:15] Marvin Harrison Jr. Trade Value
• [08:49] 49ers Offense Outlook with Mac Jones
• [12:28] Trade WR Depth for RB Help
• [15:00] Debo Samuel Trade Value
• [17:59] Pickens as a Trade Chip
• [29:03] RB Start/Sit: Warren, Charbonnet, Sampson, Harvey
• [36:42] Tyreek Hill vs. Egbuka/Higgins, Tyreek Rest of Season
• [42:30] Standard League Flex: Javonte Williams vs. Egbuka
• [44:47] QB Start: Fields vs. Mayfield
• [45:16–47:20] Handling May, QB Wire & Trade Philosophy
• [51:38] Erickson’s Two-Time Trade “Heist”

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Summary Table: Key Player Recommendations

| Situation | Suggested Move | Rationale | |---------------------------------|----------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Purdy Out/Need QB | Add Drake May | Defensive matchup, dual-threat, high upside for Week 2 | | Mac Jones at SF | CMC Up, Piersall Risk| Offense will run more, Piersall more volatile, unknown QB connection | | Buy-Low WR | Marvin Harrison Jr. | Improved play, muted Week 1 hype, schedule upcoming favorable | | Trade WR for RB | Target HN/Achane, Cook | Exploit Week 1 letdowns for value | | Sell Debo Samuel | Target mid-RBs (Charbonnet, RJ Harvey) | Use Week 1 to sell high, age/injury history | | Tyreek Hill Start/Sit Decision | Start if possible | Despite off-field, talent is still superior | | Start/Sit RBs (Warren, Charbonnet, Sampson, Harvey) | Warren/Charb/Sampson > Harvey | Floor and PPR roles over home run play | | Egbuka v. Javonte (Standard) | Egbuka (lean)/Javonte| More targets, but TD equity with Williams | | Streaming TEs | Prefer Kraft, Henry | Offense context, target upside |

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Conclusion & Tone

Welsh and Erickson’s tone is lively and fun, mixing sharp analysis with unique insights on team and player trends past the surface stats. The show’s interactivity shines in its live Discord questions, with both hosts tailoring advice for deep leagues, unusual formats, and nuanced trade dilemmas. They remind listeners to avoid overreacting to Week 1, look for strategic trade pivots, and not panic into burning key depth. Their advice, rich in expertise but accessible in delivery, proves an invaluable resource for fantasy managers navigating the early chaos of the season.

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It's all here, baby. Fox one, we live for live streaming now. What's up, friends? And welcome in to Fantasy Pros. This is the fantasy football podcast. And this is the extra point. Erickson and myself, Chris Welsh. Every single week, we're live on Discord 2pm Eastern, and we are hanging with a live audience. We've got questions. We're going to be bringing them up, answering. And you guys get to be the dictators of what this show is. You guys get to decide what topics because you're going to say, hey, should I trade this guy? Should I start this guy? Maybe you'll get some theory stuff in there. Whatever it is, outside of Thursday Night Football questions, we have you covered. Andrew Erickson, are you ready? 13th highest rank. I'm gonna say it on every dang show that I do this week. 13th highest ranks. We were both positive in the props. Week one was pretty fun, but the real test starts now.

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Yes, the real test is now. Will I be wrong about the jets two weeks in a row? Because now I feel like I'm all. I'm, like, all back on board. So we'll see how that plays out. I'm just very much trying to figure out who is this year's Saints, Like a team that just came out of the gates on fire last year and then it just totally went off the rails. Now I think the Miami Dolphins kind of seem like the popular team for that, but they didn't start the season out like the Saints. Saints started the season out good and then they fell off. The Dolphins look like they're just kind of continuing to nosedive. As typical of what you expect from a Miami Dolphin. They live in the water, they dive a lot. So yeah, man, I'm ready to chop it up here.

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All right, well, let's chop it up with our people. If you guys want to chop it us up with us in a live audience, you can do it by joining the Fantasy Pros. Discord today. Fantasypros.com chat, chat with other fans, get access to AMAs just like this that could be on the podcast and hear yourself on the podcast. Our schedule bogs and fits 5pm eastern every. I think that one is done. I don't think they're doing every Tuesday. I think I have old copy here. I know Worm and Fitz, 5pm Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month. Most importantly, come hang out with Erickson and myself. 2:00pm Eastern Every single Thursday where we're here for you. Come and get your questions answered and be on the show. Fantasypros.com chat. Great community. Tons of cool stuff. Get a. I think if you have a free Fantasy Pros account, you can get into the discord. And then if you want premium, you can have access to everything. So don't, you know, if you just want to come and check it out, you can just easily get on in, see some of the rooms that are out there and you can come and hang out in this one just like we got going. All right, let's just jump right into the show here. First up, our boy Chenzer Chinser's back in the house. Who is going to be kicking us off. He was first in the room too, but in here before Erickson. So what's up, dude?

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Just me and Welsh hanging out without Eric.

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That's right.

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I got three quick ones for you guys and a 14 team.

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Oh, no, we lost you. Oh, no, your Internet. Oh, chins are your three questions. Is your Internet fixed or not? All right, we're gonna kick you re raise your hand once you're back into the world. Skim milk. Skim milk in the house. What's up?

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What's up, guys? You guys give me the impression you don't like skim milk, but it's fine. I don't hate skim milk. Although when you try skim milk and then have regular milk or any type of milk that has fat in it, you're. You look at skim milk and think, this is just water.

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I actually probably am not. I'm not a big milk guy. So I think like skim milk was probably just fine. So that's okay. No judgment. No judgment here.

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All right. Let's get into football. I guess. So it's a kicker question. Looks or little. So I I kind of put lifts first on based on like what the app was recommending and a little went kind of crazy. Listen, do too bad either, but what do you guys think? Nuts for Lutz. That's what I would do because I'm playing in a dome. He's playing in a dome. Like that's what I care about the most. I'm not any anytime cares are playing outside in any capacity. I would rather look the other way. And lots of the Broncos are going to score points, so yeah.

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Nuts for less.

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Thank you.

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That was it. You literally okay? I mean that was incredible. He came on. That was like having like a boss too. Did you hear him? Absolutely. Shoo us off like okay, stop talking about non football stuff. Let's talk football now. Shoot us off and then ask the kicker question. Biggest mic drop anyone's ever done on here. You bullied me around and then you asked a kicker question. Okay, that was crazy. McTunder McTunders in the house. You can bully me too.

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No, no.

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Welsh, you're fine this time.

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Two questions there real quick. I've lost Purdy of course.

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So I'm looking to stream either McCarthy.

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10X or Drake May. Who do you got this week?

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Ooh, Drake May by wide margin for me. I'm very, very much pro team. Drake May. I was just talking about this. Justin Fields is 7 on the consensus ranks this week. That's where I've got May. I'm going to say this is going to be the game. I hate the Dolphins. One more weekend with Diggs. I just love everything about this setup here. So I am Drake May on this one. Big time. Erickson.

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Yep. Drake May for me too.

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Let's do it. What's the other question?

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The other question is In a full.

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PPR league there I got offered Marvin.

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Harrison Jr. For Travion Henderson. Would you take it?

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Your Trayvon for Marvin. And what like half PPR or full full ppr? You didn't even seem like you needed to know the format, Erickson. You just love it.

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I think that Marvin Harrison is probably the least talked about by candidate after week one. And I think it's because we saw all these massive breakouts or some of these other second year guys. Keon Coleman over 100 yards. Pearsall had a massive game but Marvin Harrison looked significantly better than he did last year in week one. And Kyler missed him on a play that could have been like a 95 yard touchdown. Now those are going to happen when Kyler's your quarterback. Unfortunately those are the lumps. But he's got Carolina this week. I mean the Cardinals have a really good schedule. So I like buying Marvin Harrison Jr. Because there's just not a lot of hype around a guy that I think might be taking that second year lead.

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Yeah, I've got Marvin higher this week too. I think his consensus is 14. I've got him at 11. I completely agree. He looked good. He just looked. He looked like a different. He didn't look. He looked lost last year a little bit early on connection seems to be better. He feels confident. He's obviously got the skill set. That's just like it's a great trade. That's a great trade.

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They put a lot on his plate as a rookie. I mean be kind of dropping him from day one. Okay. You have to be this like prototypical X wide receiver. So I get that he did not match expectations but with expectations adjusted this year and I think the overall consensus with him was kind of like lukewarm. It's like not so sure. Like maybe he can do it. But I would be sending out offers for Marvin Harris Jr. Because I think that you'd be surprised how easy it might be to acquire him even after like a good game. Like he wasn't bad in week one at all.

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Good transition too. On the first question. We didn't start the show with this but obviously the news came out today kind of confirming because it had been floating around for a day or two that like hey, Purdy's questionable this week. Maybe he can miss multiple weeks. Da da da. And then it's like, nope, he's out two to five weeks. He's got a bad case. Turf toe two looks like the, the low end. It's not great. So Mac Jones is going to be in a quarterback which I'm a, I might sound positive about. Like as a Niner fan and stuff. I'm a pretty self hating person too. But even I'm not like like terrified of Mac Jones. Like Mac made Brian Thomas look better last year than Trevor Lawrence is doing. So I don't think that's like the worst thing in the world. But we do have to give a long hard look at the options around him. I'm just curious your take on with affirming that Mack is the quarterback and it looks like Joann Jennings probably is going to play. Really? This is like a Ricky pierasol thing. Christian McCaffrey looks like he's just absolutely locked in. He's going to get so much run. I think Brian Robinson's kind of a cheap option this week. What are you doing with Ricky Pierasol with Mac Jones as the quarterback man?

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Yeah, I know we talked about Piercel on the ranking show and I was the low man on him and talked about having to move him up. He's just kind of in this like weird range. I think that in ECR he's up to 24. Like he's up. He's up pretty substantially. So I am a little bit lower than that. I guess I just have just some reservations with him just based on just all the new that's happening. Right. Okay, you have a brand new quarterback. Okay, like that. Again, putting aside what Mack Jones day with Brian Thomas Jr. Last year, that was also the end of the season. Like we don't know like what the connection is between Mac Jones and Ricky Piercel. Like all offseason it was Brock Purdy and Ricky Pierce. All connection. Like this is great. Like this is what we're excited about. And we saw in week one, okay, Pierce was breaking out, but we also saw Pearsall kind of like disappear for a little bit in the 49ers game where like he came out, had some production early on and then kills out of the game. So you're like, okay, like where's Pierce Hall? And then it wasn't until later on in the game that he started making some more plays. So I think that he just brings an extra layer of more Boomer bust to this matchup. I don't think that Kool Aid McKinstry is like a terrible cornerback. I think that he can match up like decent well against some of the better wide receivers. So that concerns me. And I do think that the 49ers, like you said, it's going to be a lot of cavalry. Like how do you beat the Saints? Like you attack their defensive line. I don't think the 49ers want to win this game in a shootout because the more drawbacks they take, the more likely that Mac Jones is going to get hurt. Because there's a reason why Brock Purdy's injured right now. It's because the offensive line for the 49ers did not play well in week one. Like Trent Williams looked a lot more like a 37 year old left tackle than the all Pro hall of Fame. And if I'm wrong with any of these 49ers takes Welsh, please, like correct me, but that was my main takeaway from like what I saw from week one. I think that the upside is obviously still there with Piersol because of the target volume that he should see. But I think he does carry another element of or additional risk just because of all of the other kind of like circumstantial factors.

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Yeah, I had, I had Pearsall. I was one of the highest rankers on him prior to the Purdy thing. The thing that I'm sitting on is the offensive line didn't look great. I think they are going to want to control the clock. They're going to run the crap out of the ball and we also don't 100% know the connection between Mack and Pierasol. We knew what it was, you know, with Purdy. So I do have some bigger questions now and a few more reservations. So he's kind of moved down a little bit. My ranks. But I do want to point out there are two sets of ranks that have them at 11. A wide receiver that are in there currently in the updated ranks. So a lot going out there. It's. It's a little bit polarizing, but I think it's McCaffrey, it's. Brian Robinson is a cheap play, and Piersol has to move down a little bit. I don't know about Jennings. And Mac Jones is probably still not even, like, a super flex option, regardless of it. So that's a little breakdown of the 49ers situation. If you're out there, Erickson, do we still have you, your camera chopped out like crazy? So we have cameras in here, by the way, now on these shows. Are you still alive with us?

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Yes, I am just giving you one second. I will get back. All right? Yes, yes, I'm. I'm back. Sorry.

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Back in action. No, it's okay. You're just chopping out. I just want to make sure that Erickson was still alive here. All right, we got a bunch more questions coming up here.

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Yeah, yeah. So let's get these questions in.

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All right, W. Collins, what's up? Come on down. Bring a fantasy question to us. Otherwise. Okay, There we go.

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How's everyone doing?

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What's up, dude? We're doing good, man. What do you got?

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So I'm looking to trade for an RB. So my receivers, I got Justin Jefferson, London, McConkey, Golden, McMillan and Ridley. One, like, who should I be looking at to trade for?

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And there's a guy on my.

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In my league that has HN, Cook, McCaffrey and Stevenson. So could I, like, possibly trade receivers or bundle together?

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What were the whiteouts again? You gotta repeat them.

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Justin Jefferson, Drake, London Lad, McConkey, Matthew Golden, Ted McMillan and Calvin Ridley.

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I love the idea of trading one of those whiteouts for those running backs. You know who jumps out to me is trading a Tet for an HN right now. HN is kind of down with how bad the Dolphins were. You've got three other great receivers. I think Teteroa might have some better value than, like, a Lad right now. So I think I would try to float a Tetaroa for A Chan to improve my running backs. What do you think about that, Erickson?

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I think that that's I like that, that type of approach. I thought. I think. I'm not sure where the other receivers he listed. I don't think that James Cooks like a terrible buy either. If the Bills are going to score 30 points a game, then he's going to be fine.

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But he'd have to move like a lad or because he had just too good receivers. Would you move a Tetaroa or a lad to get James Cook?

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I. I think no. Maybe not lad McConkey. So yeah, maybe Ted. I don't know. Is James Cook now highly about more value than a Chan is after one week?

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I just think they might be similar.

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't think the Dolphins office will be as bad as it was in week one every single week. But I, I think that if you were buying any type of Dolphins like you got to be getting a deal like because it there, there is that additional risk that again if the, the floor completely bottoms out on this team, obviously things can get really, really bad. Although if they trade Tyree Kill then in theory it should just centralize the offense around HN and Jalen Waddle. So look at that in a couple different ways. But I think just from a roster building perspective that makes sense if you have a receiver rich to go after a running back that's, you know, a buy low candidate.

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Our boy Chinser's back. Let's see if Chinser is in a stable Internet space. Are you with us? Can you hear us?

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I'm in a stable Internet space, but an unstable headspace.

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Houston, we have ignition. All right, you had three questions.

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Three quick ones. So 14 team, half PPR. What do you want the Ridley side or the Mace Jordan Mason side of a trade.

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Are like positionally. Are you okay on both sides?

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Is there one pretty even in a vacuum? I would probably rather have Mason.

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Yeah, I'm good with that. Okay, keep going.

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Endless pain. Endless pain. I went out and got Calvin Ridley and then I was having big, big buyer's remorse. But either way I think if really is what we think he is, I'll be fine. Okay. I cannot get anybody to trade me anything for Debo. I'd like a running back. Like what for Debo? Like what running backs would you be targeting for that range? That's. This is a PPR12.

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Yeah, it's a little tough because you do. You slid in here Chinser with a Thursday ish type of thing because like week two is going to happen and it's, it's. Whatever Thursday football has is going to have some effect because if he, if he goes out and has a big game and it's two and he gets volume, people are going to be positive about that. So I don't know, Erickson, if you've got it, this, this is, this toes the line of our Thursday night issue.

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Well, just let's just for all intents and purposes, just like Debo Samuels a sell high after week one. Like I, I talked about him as a sell high, I think on either one of the articles I wrote up, just because he's an older player that has an injury history who you know, had a really strong week one. So if that continues, I would say running backs that you could potentially target. Marin Hampton, maybe, you know, something. Plus after he didn't look great against the Kansas City Chiefs and a tougher run defense, I don't think you can get him. But Henderson, he would be another running back maybe actually the, the, the target to be like a stash play. If you don't need Debo's production like immediately would probably be someone like RJ Harvey as someone that, yeah, hey, I want this guy on my bench for upside later on because a lot of these receivers like Debo. And as another example that's kind of in like the Debo ilk, Keenan Allen, right guy you drafted really, really late, that man, like I want to be starting this guy. Well, maybe just flip him for a running back that you can then start in a couple weeks that you like their season long outlook. So that way you're not feel like you're wasting the weeks of Debo when he's healthy or the weeks when Keenan Allen is healthy in the starter. So that's some running backs I would probably look for.

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I think you probably have to also look at like a Charbonnet or Jordan Mason. I because he already said no one wants to trade for Debo. So there's clearly evaluation issue. You might be looking at like that group as well.

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Or, or you could take a shot on Ken Walker too and just roll the dice and see like, hey, like.

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If you, if you had an option Walker or Charbonnet to acquire, which one would you acquire for a guy like Deebo?

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It would be Walker for me still. I mean, I mean I want to see another week of this. And again I could come on here and say something completely different next week, but I'm not going to write off Walker just after one week where he's missed, you know, the entire offseason where they've been kind of keeping him in bubble wrap. And again he as Fitz pointed on the ranking show he still led the Seahawks backfield in touches which you know, watching that game it did not seem like that at all.

[A]

Well because I don't think he was there in the important situation. So that's the other problem.

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Yeah. And he didn't see Charvin a hammer carries but he did see the more of the targets like and that matters like three targets to Charbonne, zero. So I think maybe Walker's not buried quite yet.

[A]

What was the third question? Chancer?

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Similar question back to the 14 half PPR George Pickens. If I'm looking for running back, obviously it's not going to be after like a four point week. It's gonna be after maybe a boom or a couple. But what same kind of range as Debo there. A little bit higher tier.

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I mean he's higher tier. That this is a, this is. These are kind of theory questions. This is kind of a tough one. Like he's coming off of a bad week. He hasn't played yet. You have to wait till he has a big explosive week. I think that could be this week. It's. Is it better than Jordan Mason? Is it the same like RJ Hart? Maybe Travy? I feel like an explosive Pickens week and another downer. Trayvon could maybe line up but we still might be selling it too high.

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I mean that people don't want to trade for receivers after they bomb. Just don't do it. Like you gotta wait till and because then the prices fluctuate so much with them. Right. It's like one week of bad Jameson Williams and do I start Jameson Williams anymore? Does this guy? Is this guy? It's like no. Like you got it with these boomer bus receivers. You got to ride the highs and you gotta ride the lows. Like sometimes it's just not great. But you're gonna feel much worse if you bench them and they go off for 30 versus you start them and they, they, they bust that week. Because chances are your opponent probably had a receiver that busted in their lineup too.

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But if Pickens has like the theory we were talking about, if he has like a good week this week, what does that look like? And like is there a general range of an RB you think that is like. Because I think Pickens floats to that like 20 to 25 range at whiteout. So I think you're looking at like a Javante or a David Montgomery or maybe a Jalen Warren or something like that. Like are you. Because I don't think you can get into the Breezes and even the ETNs. Anym, what, what, what is your target range?

[B]

It's definitely probably not a good market to be trying to look for running because I feel like you're gonna have to pay more to get a running back that you feel confident about their workload or you're just gonna have to roll the dice on. Well, maybe one of these guys emerges and. And again, the one player that I would want to talk about, but I can't because we're thinking he would be. He's another guy that I think is in his range just because I think that there is a part of the market that's just like still kind of hesitant. Like I'm, I'm all the way in. Like, like I'm ready to embrace it. So I would be aggressive going after him, but we'll see how that shakes out after his, his Thursday night performance. But yeah, I think you're really. I think you gotta hold right now. I don't know if there's really any obvious running back target in that kind of range. And obviously you gotta wait for Pickets to have a good game too.

[A]

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[B]

I'll start off with one. That was a perfect segue from Welsh. I got a trade. What was it called?

[A]

A trade offer?

[B]

A trade suggestion.

[A]

Trade suggestion from the Fantasy Pros app.

[B]

And I was curious to see what you guys thought of it.

[A]

So currently I'm, I'm in a one.

[B]

Quarterback league and I have Both Knicks and Fields.

[A]

Where, where that we have our fingers crossed. We're like, please let this be a good offer that we're not gonna hate.

[B]

No worries.

[A]

So I got Nixon Fields.

[B]

My running backs are Gibbs and Chase Brown. Those are my starters. And so it essentially said offer up Knicks Bo Nicks and Jamir Gibbs for Bucky Irving and jsn.

[A]

Well, yeah, I don't. I was about to say I, I did not like Jameer Gibbs being involved in that trade whatsoever. But then I do not care about Bo Nix in this situation at all. So he's a nothing burger. I love the thought of getting even If Bucky is 95% of Gibbs and you upgraded JSN. I don't know. The other person accepts that, but they're going to be very tempted to see Gibbs. You know what? Good job, trade analyzer. That's a sneaky, sneaky trade that I think will get that person's attention. I don't hate it. Here's the thing though.

[B]

Oh, would you do it if they wanted Fields instead of Knicks?

[A]

Yes. I'm still, I'm like, I would say I want to send Fields, I want to send Nicks more, but I just don't really care about the quarterback in this situation. Just simply because you're getting that huge upgrade at wide receiver. I'd also imagine, not that this is great, but like the Wire, it's like Penix out there. If Pennix is that. This isn't Super Flex, is it? No, no, it's one quarterback. Ah, get the hell out of here. Yeah, like Panics is out there and stuff. You're golden. Mac Jones, he's great, right?

[B]

I mean, yeah, I got pierced though. So I'm hoping Mike Jones is good. I'm.

[A]

Yeah, he's not, but yeah, go ahead, Erickson.

[B]

No, I, I think that you hit on all the points. I think the quarterback is kind of. It doesn't really move the needle. And yes, like right now it seems like, oh, I would never take Bo Nicks over Justin Fields. But then you could see, you know, Fields doesn't match what he did last week. Bo Nicks has a bounce back game against the Colts. And then we come on here and be like, well, like you probably want to get rid of Fields after we took like seven sacks against the Buffalo. Like something like that happens. So yeah, let them make the quarterback decision, you know, whoever they want, because you can't. Again, having both those guys doesn't really help you because then you're going to have to figure out who to start every single week and you might flip flop. So. And one QB league, you only need one of them. So yeah, make the move. And yeah, I think this trade gets.

[A]

Done, so I mean, I hope it gets done. I. I'm not sure that they do it, but if they do it, that'd be slick and that'd be a big win for the trade. Suggestions? That's pretty sweet. Cam. Cam's in the house. What's up, Cam? Hello.

[B]

Hi. So I had a question on who I should start this week. I have Chase Brown and Pollard as my running backs and Javante as my flex. But I lost Kittle, so I picked up Fanon and I'm curious if I should start Hillman over any of the people who I have.

[A]

So you have Fanon as your tight end. So this would be. Yeah, Tillman essentially. Tillman or Javante Williams, Right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Because I would put. Probably switch Javante and Pollard and then put in Tillman for my flex if I was to do that.

[A]

Okay, good question. Love the fan thing, by the way.

[B]

And then she. And then I think. I don't know. She didn't specific specify that. Maybe there's some reservations with having Tillman and Fanon in the same lineup.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. That's probably part of it.

[B]

But that is two Browns receiver again. I mean, it's kind of crazy when you look at the Browns box score and you had I think like six guys be like pretty decent for fantasy just because Flacco was dealing. It was against the Bengals again. He's facing the Ravens this week, so maybe a little bit of a different story. And I don't think that we should just copy and paste what the Bills offense did against the Ravens to like, oh, this is. The Ravens is a. Just a terrible defense. Like, well, everyone's going to look pretty bad against Josh Allen.

[A]

I've been hearing a lot of that this week, by the way. And I'm like, I'm not so sure I'm ready to say that the Browns are going to slice and you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not ready to do that either.

[B]

Yeah. So I think that you could probably just roll with the running backs. I think that they're just so much safer from a projection floor. And this isn't where you're making a stretch out for one of these committee guys where it's like, well, Jordan Mason or Cedric Tillman, it's like, no, like Javante is like locked and loaded. Like, again, Giants not the best matchup in the World. But commanders had no problem running the football over them. I think Dallas is the better team. They're playing at home. So I would just roll with the running backs. Throw Fannin in the tight end spot and you know Tillman scored last week. Tillman doesn't score. It's kind of like a lackluster game. So that's how I would approach it.

[A]

Yeah, it's a great question Cam too. I'm glad that you brought it up because it brings up the fan and stuff. Yeah. End of the day I think you get way more upside with putting like a Javante out there. There's touchdown equity. Not much for Tillman. For me I love Fannin. I'm totally opening myself up to being hurt because I like I looked at Fan and I'm just like oh my God, like he's slot receiver, blah blah blah. And then it's like they're going to have he's up to targets this week and I'll be disappointed but I'm like all, I'm all in. I think he is a big playmaker for this team. So I like having him at tight end. I like the construction of what you've done and I personally wouldn't mess with it. I keep Javante in there.

[B]

Yeah. And I think to what I would preach to those that picked up Fanning because I think that was a smart move to make. I think that his long term return might be better than what happens in week two. Like even if week two is not as good as week one, don't tilt and be. I have to drop this. I'm just saying like Fitzpat good points on the ranking show where Titans destroy the Bengals like every single, every single week happened last year happened in week one. So if that's not the case against the Baltimore Ravens who have one of the best safeties in the NFL and Kyle Hamilton, like, I mean the Ravens aren't dumb. Like they know who, who they featured at tight end. You think that you're going to see Hamilton on Fanon, like that's not a good matchup for a rookie tight end. So that's something that I would kind of keep in the back of my mind. But don't drop him because I, I think that Njoku is going to get moved at some point.

[A]

Yeah. I'd also say like that assumption of like having like really good cover like that coverage is going to go to Anjoku first. I'm not sure that after one week Fannin has locked himself up into like defenses targeting him and Taking him out of the game. Now they're taking in Joku out of the game. And that's what makes Fanon so interesting. And he gets to be if that defense is better by the way, he gets to be like a shorter term option, you know, if. Especially if they're spreading out Tillman more of a spread out option. Judy's going deeper. Fannin's a guy that's going to be hanging around short side. So him and Samson should eat this week. So I like it. I like it a lot. AF Afro Pikachu. It's an A plus name. You need the avatar though. I'm a little disappointed if you have a name like Afro Pikachu not having like a absolute just.

[B]

Well like what I'm assuming the avatar would be, it would be the Pikachu meme where he's like out and like he's staring out into the like into the abyss. But then he has an Afro.

[A]

Yeah, I love all that. Let's get to chat. GPT quick. What's up Afro?

[B]

Not much.

[A]

Question on starting running backs, if you could, where would you rank like starting.

[B]

These four quarterbacks or running backs in your list of I've got in multiple leagues. I've got Charbonnet, Harvey Samson. Sorry, is this for week two or for rest of season? Sorry, I just want to clarify week two specifically. Okay, thank you. Charbonnet, Charbonnet, Sampson, Harvey. And I was chatting the last guy.

[A]

That I have, but he must not be okay.

[B]

Jayla Warren.

[A]

Oh, okay. The most important. Okay, you just left off like the, the dinner here. Okay, so four running backs. I'm going to give you ECR and then we'll get Erickson and then we'll get yours or mine. Eric's Erickson. The ECR is Jalen Warren, Charbonnet Samson. Harvey, I'm going to just tell you actually. Right. That's my exact rank as well. I've got, I got Harvey at the bitty bottom. I'm. I'm in on Samson this week. But Warren, number one Charbonne two.

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[B]

I have Samson a little bit higher. I'm a little bit lower on Warren. I mean he wasn't even the lead ball carrier for Steelers. It was Kenneth Gainwell.

[A]

Are you saying you have Sampson is the highest of everybody here?

[B]

Second behind Charbonnet, but I really don't feel confident about either Seahawks running back this week where you're just kind of banking I think on a touchdown potentially. Obviously Charbonnet scored last week and I don't think the Steelers run defense is going to play as bad as it was against the Jets. I think when you have a mobile quarterback it changes things dramatically and Sam Darnold's not a mobile guy. Steelers are also playing at home and not on the road, so I think that does make a difference in terms of how good their run defense is going to be against a different scheme from Seattle. So I think Sampson, to your point, I think in full ppr, that's the guy I want to roll out. Just like, I mean, if this guy's gonna catch eight passes every single week because Joe Flacco's just dropping back to throw 45 times. Like his just. I just feel so confident about his role. Like Charbonnet, I'm like, okay, 5050 with Ken Walker, is he gonna see more or less than he did last week? I'm not so sure. I think Samson for me, and it's a full ppr, that's who I would feel confident with. Warren, I think is probably fine. It's like a floor play. So I don't disagree with you there. And then Harvey's definitely the hardest one to click because he's. His role doesn't project to be well. And you're just banking on he has to hit a long, explosive play, which that's just not a good bet to make. Oh, every week he'll just hit. He'll just hit another 50 yard rush. Like that's just hard to bank on. So I guess we agree on Charbonnet. And then I guess I just. I would do Samson over.

[A]

I think they're all the same tier, though. Like, if you decide, I mean, Derrickson's better anchor than me side with him on that. I think Samson is super interesting this week. I do not expect Judkins, who was in a practice and there's all the crazy, I don't expect him to play. And Sampson has proven to be an easy target monster, especially in a full PPR format. I'm fine with him being at the top. I think just Charbonnet's touchdown equity is interesting. The jets kind of shredded as far as running on the Pittsburgh Steelers, so I think they might try to do a little bit more of that. And Charbonnet can be involved. I just think they're all a tier except Harvey. I had this long discussion with Bogman where it was kind of like he was kind of defending Harvey. And I'm like, we're fine to defend Harvey for the rest of the season. Harvey might be one of the best trade targets out there right now because of the low usage and stuff like that for the future. But for week two, I'm not. I'll be okay with myself. I'll sleep well at night if Harvey goes off and I benched him. And my logic was, hey, let's see him prove it. Especially if I had someone like Samson or I Have other options. I'll be okay with that because I really, truthfully, like, he has to prove it. You can never start a guy like Caleb Johnson because he's not getting any snaps. Like. Like, Omarion's fine. He got all the usage. Genti doesn't count here. Marion's fine. Travion's in the middle, where Travion's. His upside versus what he did is justifiable to get him out there. They talked about wanting to get him more. They're not with Harvey. They use 47 different players. Like, I don't trust that he's out there. So that's why I don't think he belongs in the tier of those guys for this week. We could change it next week if all of a sudden they, you know, they start using him and he gets, you know, 15 touches.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Different ball game. Completely different.

[B]

Okay. I would. I think as we talked about that, I think I just really want to get Samson in my lineup. Like, oh, also, Trail Furman brought this up on the betting pro show. You know whose birthday it is on Sunday? Dylan Sampson.

[A]

Is it Dylan?

[B]

He's turning. He's turning 21. That's how young this guy is. This guy's gonna be stud.

[A]

I want to talk to Samson.

[B]

Fly me on his birthday, and then he can go get beers with Joe Flacco. It'll be great.

[A]

Oh, it's gonna be a great night. 100. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco could.

[B]

It could be his dad.

[A]

So this is Jeff, like, 43, taking.

[B]

My son out after the game.

[A]

I had kids late. Like, I have a 13 year old, so it's like I'm getting into that space. I'm like, about Flacco's age, but I could have. I could have, like, a kid that old. All right, I want to say token, but this is tko. Tko. What's up? Oh, this is the. The panda meme person.

[B]

How's it going, guys?

[A]

We're doing good, dude. How you doing?

[B]

Super good. I need to know if I am crazy or not for starting Emeka Igbuka over Tyreek Hill and T. Higgins. What? And also, what is, like, an outlook for Tyreek Hill for the rest of the season?

[A]

So, Tyreek, I'll let you do all this, but Tyreek ain't even in the discussion of these two for me.

[B]

No. Yeah, I don't think. I mean, Tyreek, he's got so much stuff going on right now. Like, that doesn't have to do with. On the field. So there's just so much baggage with him.

[A]

Wide receiver 27 and ECR. Tyreek Hill is the other two. Ameca is 21 and Higgins is 15. Just for context, but go ahead.

[B]

I wouldn't start him over T. Higgins. I think that we see the Bengals go burr this week at home. They're playing the Jaguars. They always play bad against the Browns. Two, two catches for Jamar Chase. Week one. This is the classic Jamar Chase stat line. It's like week one, two catches. Week two, 200 yards. Like this is the classic Jamar Chase like box score. When you go through the game locks. He just goes absolutely nuclear. And I think that Higgins can be along for that ride. So again, Igbuka offs absolutely excellent in his debut but still only had six targets. So just keep that in mind. I think that Higgins could see double digit targets in this game, especially if the. If the Brown. Excuse me, the Bengals can't run the football. They just lost one of their offensive guards. Chase Brown was really inefficient last week, averaged 2 yards per carry. So they managed to decide, hey, let's ax the run game. Let's just throw the ball 50 times. Let's beat the Jaguars. So I wouldn't start him over T. Higgins, but over Tyree Kill.

[A]

Yes, they might do that even if they can run just to get the passing game official. It's interesting you brought this up because I'm one of the highest on a Mecca this week. But you just, it can't over T. Higgins. Like, like you, you happen to bring up a player that it's like they're playing the Jacksonville Jaguars. Like I think they're going to establish the game. Higgins is going to eat. Chase is going to eat. They're going to go. But I will say this, I assume and I've talked to multiple people who kind of agree Stingley is going to just lock up on Mike Evans. There's an argument that you could say that maybe Mecca's the younger, more athletic field stretcher that maybe they would want to move. Do you think they ever want to give Mike Evans an opportunity? I don't think so. And if he does, if you take Mike Evans out of the game, a Mecca is a number one in Tampa Bay. He proved to be clutch last week. Yes, it's only six targets, but that was a rookie in his first game. I think you warrant and justify more targets against Houston. Their offense has been kind of putrid. Is going to give more opportunities. I have a Mecca at 17 this week. I am dramatically high. I'm one of the higher on him. But you just so happen to pair it with a player that I have above in T. Higgins.

[B]

Yeah. And I think that's why we like to bring guys up as they include as they start to get better and improve, especially young players like rookies. But at the same time, you know, we drafted T. Higgins in the second and third round.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's coming off a bad game. But none of the Bengals were good last week. But we all know what this offense can do when it's operating at full capacity. And just historically speaking, they never do that against the Browns. They just don't. So you just got to take the week one lumps. Like that sucks. But just I was. I was saying this on the betting show. You know the thing for Men in Black where you just erase your mind? That's you have to do with the Bengals players from week one. Beep. That never happened. Okay, Week two Jags, wheels up.

[A]

Nobody talks about Men in Black. It's just.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's a franchise that just died. Did you ever hear in that famous. This would have been maybe the greatest movie of all time, that famous leak at Sony. Do you ever hear about this, like a hacker release? Like all of the movies that they were gonna do and it was all of Sony's lineup, blah, blah, blah. There were a couple like real movies that were in it. What was in it though, in Sony's thing was that they were gonna do a crossover movie between 21 Jump street and Men in Black that would have been the greatest movie of all time. Like I grew up with Men in Black. I would have killed for that movie.

[B]

Yeah, I think that. I think I watched a YouTube video about that. Like the behind the scenes, like why it never was released. So maybe I need to refresh and I need to come back to you with my. My book report.

[A]

Well, yeah, not even released. It was just. It was. It was a topic. It was all that. And then it just like. Because of the. The hack or whatever, then they never moved forward with it. And it's just like, I mean, please give me that. That's all that I wanted in the world. But Men in Black excuse that. Do not excuse our Twitch channel. Go over and check us out. Twitch TV FantasyProse got a full schedule of just a ton of content. We guys, we want you guys to come and hang out with. Out of Bounds is back. That is Joe Pizzapia, myself and Scott Bogman, Mondays at 2:00pm Eastern where we are rocking out of Bounds doing all of the breakdowns. For what happened in the week. We do some contest stuff, answer some questions. Bogman and I doing a little bit different this week. On Tuesday, 12pm Eastern, we're doing an hour Q and A with a Madden game. We've got that going. Seth and Debro, Thursdays at 1pm Eastern. We've also got fantasy football Q&As every Sunday at noon Eastern. And then we've got the recap at 7:30pm Eastern. So it's a lot of stuff that I told you. So what you do should go follow us on Twitch. Turn on the notifications and you'll see all the lives that we've got going on Twitch tv fantasypros. Give us a follow. You can even get a subscription so you don't get any ads. You can do that free with Amazon and check it out today. All right, let's get back to our friends. Bucks man. Bucks man is up. What's up?

[B]

How's it going?

[A]

We're going. It's good, man. How you doing?

[B]

Good. Good. I got two questions, both in a standard standard league. I need to start one of my flex. Would you go devonte Williams, T. Mac Igbuka or Calvin? Really?

[A]

What do you think? Erickson? That's standard and only one, right?

[B]

Yeah, only one.

[A]

Was that your only question or did you have another question too?

[B]

My other one. Same. Same league. At quarterback, would you go Justin Fields or Baker Mayfield? Okay, cool.

[A]

All right, we'll come back to that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Fields and a standard. You know I love just for standard leagues. I almost just looking at who just has the higher odds to score a touchdown and I feel like that's like processed. I mean that's what's really scoring the majority of your points, right? Egbuca has to score a touchdown if he's probably going to. I mean between me it's Javante and Egbuca. I think again, if this wasn't just standard, it'd probably just be easily Egbuka. So I don't know. I mean you were the highest.

[A]

He's a Bucks fan too. Yeah, it kind of does. The defensive line for the.

[B]

No, what were you going to say?

[A]

I was a defensive line for the Giants has me a little bit worried. It doesn't mean that they're not going to move the ball and then he can just. Javante Williams can pound one in. I think if you're looking like logically from a touch standpoint, the touchdown equity. I think someone asked earlier like do we think Dax are going to bounce back this week? Yes, I Think the Cowboys are going to bounce back. If they're going to score points, they could put themselves in situations where Javante could not have a big day but have touchdown equity, and that's really what he needs. But all of that said, I think a Mecca is going to eat. I think Evans is going to be locked down, and I kind of think there's more opportunity for touchdowns again. So I'm really torn. It is those two players. As I like, I. Okay, I want to say Igbuka, but I think my head is saying Javante Williams, because I think the Cowboys are going to bounce back and opportunity is going to come up for touchdowns. So I'm gonna. I'm going to Mecca.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's like, I think we got to go with Egg Buka. And it's funny because both guys are coming off games where they score two touchdowns, right? So. So just regression analysis alone, you think, okay, well, they're probably not going to score multiple touchdowns again. That being said, if you have Baker Mayfield, you're a Bucs fan, just. Just play Buka. I think it's cool to have works like, play the guy who's sensation.

[A]

And by the way, we're telling him to go Egg Buka. And then we're like, but don't start Baker Mayfield. Start Justin Fields.

[B]

Well, you're hedging a little bit here as well.

[A]

Yeah, you are hedging.

[B]

So that way when Baker Mayfield throws more touchdowns, you're not totally hating yourself.

[A]

That's a good point. You're at least getting it from McBuca. That's 100.

[B]

And then when Baker Mayfield, like, is taking sack after sack against the Texans off defensive line, you're also not hating yourself because you started Justin Fields.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good one. Cordy. Cordy's in the house. What do you got for us, Corey?

[B]

Hey, guys. How's it going? We're doing good, dude.

[A]

How you doing?

[B]

Doing well. It's actually my first time getting in on the discord and all that, so. Super excited.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah, man. Appreciate you coming down.

[B]

Yeah, of course. So in one of my leagues, I'm in three, but one, I feel like I have a pretty good chance of going all the way in. I've got some pretty good receiver debt, so I'm sitting with Drake, London, Ladd McConkey, Malik neighbors, and then on my bench, I've got Tet McMillan, Rashid rice, and Chris Godwin. Geez. So, yeah, pretty stacked. And my RB depth is decent. I've got Jameer and Omarion Hampton as my starters and then I've Got Zach Charbonnet, J.K. dobbins, Jaylee Warren, Javte Williams. So okay on the bench my starters are solid but I'm lacking critically at QB and tight end. Tight end maybe not so much. I've got Tucker and for my QB I've got Drake May. So trade wise that's kind of where I'm coming in at. What do you guys think I should kind of move towards?

[A]

I'm not sure I'm really looking at doing anything if I'm being honest with you. I love May this week. You're. I think what you were alluding to is your big advantage is like how study your wide receivers are. But here's your problem. You have two wide receivers that are not going to play for multiple weeks because what would I easily tell you, go see if you can move Tet A Roa and see if you can move Ted A Roa to get a really awesome quarterback. Problem is is you don't have Godwin for like a month and you're not going to have Rashid Rice for over a month. So he is your big major depth. I kind of hate coming off of that. I personally think I am looking to just roll with makes. It's a good matchup this week and see how my team plays out the next couple weeks and then as the bye weeks start to come in, see if you could take advantage of stuff and you're going to appreciate your depth a lot more from your position players instead of just moving them once you get into those deeper weeks. But I'm not sure May is the worst thing. I'd be curious what else is out on the wire but what do you think Erickson? Are you trying to make any big moves to move off of position player to upgrade your quarterback?

[B]

No, May's going to be fine. It was one week. It was in the rain. He also wasn't absolutely like he wasn't like he put up sub 10 fantasy points.

[A]

Like I think it was about decision making though. Like I know you watched the whole game. I watched some of it. I, I didn't think he particularly looked like like a world changing quarterback in that but there were a lot of other factors. First game like you said, weather and stuff.

[B]

Yeah, it's weather. It's a, it's a new offense for him. You know this is the first time he's had Josh McDaniels as his offensive play caller. First time playing with Stefan Diggs. Remember Diggs didn't play at all in the preseason game. So if Diggs starts to get more acclimated, I think that you're going to see him build. And I mean, he got what Keisha booty had, over 100 receiving yards. But he was so good. He was like, right, yeah. It's like this was. Could he be our year three breakout? Like, so I think that the up and up and they're playing the Dolphins this week. So if it's going to happen, this is a good matchup for him. And I think, too, of all the quarterbacks that ran this week, you know, Drake May was one of them that really didn't, which I think really stands out like an outlier based on what we saw him do last year as a scrambler. So I think he's gonna use his legs a little bit more in this matchup against the Dolphins, and I think that you're going to be fine. And I'm not worried about Tucker. Like, if anything, the fact that none of these packers receivers are stepping up and they're all hurt, like, in dealing with injuries, like, he's going to eat. So just be patient. Just give it one more week. I think they'll be fine.

[A]

The only thing I push back on with the. The May stuff is the. The selling. One of the massive selling points of. I'm not the biggest Drake May guy. One of the massive selling points of Drake May this offseason was about like, well, look what he does if they start designing plays. Like, he can run, sure. But, like, look at what everybody else does with design run plays. And what if we get it from him? We still didn't see it. I think I saw one design run play, so I pushed back in that, like, yes, he can do more with his legs, but they didn't show us anything that that offense wants to start doing Justin Fields, like, stuff with him, even though it seems like he can do it. So that's why I'm a little bit like, you know, I've never thought he was gonna be a top five quarterback. I think he can be like a 10 to 12 or something. But there's still just upside. Just chill, hang out, enjoy this week. You got an incredible roster. Let the quarterbacks kind of come to you. Don't force it right now. Especially, like when you get Rashid Rice back. World's your oyster, dude. Like, you got Ted a row will be your wide receiver five with Godwin as a six. Like, that's when you do some damage when you get close to the playoffs. But I Say just. Just roll it out, baby. Roll it out. All right. Whoops. Our boy who TF is Welsh, that's me, but that's not you. Come on down.

[B]

Hey, can you hear me?

[A]

Oh, we got you. You guys hear the planes just flying over me?

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

All right, go ahead. Sorry, I didn't just mean to distract us with the plan. I just. I had like 7000 planes fly over me, it sounded like. So I was like oh my gosh. All right, what's your fantasy question?

[B]

So I got two. First question I had Kittle. I'm in a chopped league, desperate at tight end now because obviously you know, it's a week to week thing. Don't want to get chopped soccer. Craft hunter, Henry, Brenton, Strange are like the three best. I don't like starting Thursday night players, but I'm also a die hard packers fan. What would you guys do?

[A]

This is a dreaded toeing the line of our no Thursday questions. But it would have been craft 100.

[B]

I mean, I know, I know it's treading the line. Secondly, I just pulled off what I believe to be maybe the greatest trade ever. I just wanted to ask you guys. So my starting running backs are Chase Brown. I also got Javante or I got Jameer Gibbs. I had Javante, but I traded him. And then I got Etienne and Jordan Mason as other running backs. I traded Javante Williams to my brother in law who only had a starting running back and I was able to get a Cortland Sutton in return. I think that's pretty decent considering that he was desperate and needed a running back.

[A]

It's definitely not the greatest trade of all time, but it's definitely a trade a brother and brother in law. A brother would do to a brother in law. 100%. You absolutely won that. You're not a great family member, but you have a great fantasy team now.

[B]

The greatest trade of all time in my opinion. Myself and one of my co managers did a couple.

[A]

Oh, it's you. Shocker. Let's hear it. Okay.

[B]

No, no. Because I. I have never heard anyone else do something like this. And this is 100% transparency. So this was during the heyday of James White in full ppr. Guy was a monster, but due to his role, it was sometimes volatile. So I don't remember exactly what we got back for James White but. But we were able to trade James White for a piece and then he got cut from that roster. We picked him up again and then we traded him again for another piece.

[A]

You don't Even know what the pieces are. This is not the greatest trade of all time. This is just.

[B]

Can you name the last time you trade the same player twice for profit? Both times in the same league?

[A]

I can appreciate the logic of it, but you're not even telling us what the profit is.

[B]

I mean, what's the pro?

[A]

You got to get something good, right?

[B]

I mean, I turn. I turned garbage into something.

[A]

It's energy fair.

[B]

I mean, he was cut from the team, and then we traded him again.

[A]

I mean, to be fair. Yeah. Like those machines in the ocean, they pick up the garbage to turn it. Yeah. I mean, I try to go back.

[B]

I can try to go back and see what we actually like, what the actual transaction was.

[A]

My problem is, is you sold this as the greatest trade of all time. The logic of what you did was great, but there, you didn't have a name. I don't even remember what I traded for.

[B]

Maybe because I was just so. I was just so taken aback by the fact that we traded James White twice and he was cut and then traded again for. For a piece.

[A]

It's a heist. I mean, you pulled off one of the greatest heists of all time.

[B]

Yes. It's like, so what did you get? It's like, I don't know.

[A]

Like, I have no idea. But we did it twice to somebody, like, fool me once, Shame on you. Like, that's crazy. It's absolutely crazy.

[B]

I will show up next week with the exact details because I think. I'm pretty sure it's pretty good. I'm pretty sure it's pretty good. If it was bad, I probably wouldn't have brought it up at all. It would have probably been a race from my mind. It's like, yeah, we traded James White for. What was that guy's name? The running back for the Browns? I don't know. Isaiah Crowell. It wasn't that. It wasn't that type of deal.

[A]

It might have been, though. It could have been. You don't remember any of it, so we're gonna find out. All right, we got Mighty in the house. What's up, Mighty?

[B]

Hey, can you hear me?

[A]

We got you.

[B]

All right, so I have two. Two quick questions. For the same league, it's a single quarterback, PPR with a tight end premium, and you start two in a flex. So it looks like ECR has Dak Prescott pretty. Pretty far above Michael Pennock's this week. And I know Dak physically looked good. I watched the whole game. But his fantasy output was awful. Yeah. Am I. We really trusting Dak the bounce back this week.

[A]

I am, I've got him pretty high. I will say though that's interesting you brought up Pennix because Pennix is the one quarterback I had highlighted with Bogman saying like I just am dying to try to get him higher. Like looks like London's gonna go, Mooney's gonna be back. I think there's a lot of interesting stuff about Pennix. I wouldn't be shocked if they're not super far off. Probably just like the Giant. I, I so I like Dak against the Giants. The defensive line is interesting with the Giants, but I think they're going to shred the secondary that though. What do you think Erickson? Dak well over Penix?

[B]

I think so. I mean you look at some of the implied team totals. Dallas is 11th this week and Atlanta is 25th. I mean they're playing on the road, right? I mean it's still Brian Flores. Like this defense is, is not one that's Are they on the road or are they playing at home? Falcons.

[A]

Falcons are. I just went away from it all. They are.

[B]

They'Re playing at Minnesota.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you. Mighty.

[B]

Yeah. So on the road, Brian again the Vikings have a couple injuries but I, I think that Dak is just also so good.

[A]

Yeah. And Dak the given, if you care about this stuff at all, the fifth best PFF rating for a quarterback this week. As far as defensive matchup wide receiver coverage, The Giants were 19 of 32. So sub 50% of the league. Running back coverage, sub 50% of the league. And really we only care about the wide receiver coverage in this and the pass, pass rush is pretty decent. But I really like Dak. Dak is rated really well on pff so we're both team Dak here.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, the Dak pick and stack sank me last week.

[A]

So Pickens also Pickens in this week. What was, what was your second question?

[B]

So again, this is tight end premium league. I have Brock Bowers right now in my tight end spot and it looks like Goddard's gonna need to ride the bench because he doesn't look like he's going to be playing since he's not practicing yet. So I am going to be starting Bill for Thursday night. I know. No, no Thursday night questions.

[A]

Yeah, you did good with your starter, Bill.

[B]

You did awesome. Great start though.

[A]

Good start.

[B]

Yeah. And then so my, my it's actually start three flex. I have got Keon Coleman, Ricky Pearsall, my flex and then I'm looking at like Ken Walker Or Pickens.

[A]

Oh, I'm Pickens here.

[B]

Wait, wait. Is Pierce already starting, then?

[A]

Pierce all's already started.

[B]

So in my wide receiver slot, I've got Diggs and Amon Ra. I've got Camara and Bill in my running back slots, and then I've got Keon Coleman, Ricky Pearsall, Ken Walker.

[A]

What he's doing in his head is, does he want to start Ken Walker over Keon Coleman? I think here, because there's no tight end premium. Is that what you're doing, Erickson, like, in that flight? Because the question is, Ken Walker or Pickens in the last flex spot? I think you're getting. I can see your face. You're getting confused. But, like, you could also, if you want, in this scenario, you could say, I like Ken Walker enough that I want to kick Keon Coleman out of that list. Don't you dare kick Pure Cell. We're not kicking Pure Cell out.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. So I can't. Okay. I just. I just think that Keon Coleman might not be that great. This. I think he's gonna get the sauce this week from.

[A]

Ken Walker's also pretty not good.

[B]

No, no, that's what I mean. But if I'm gonna pick a. Do I want someone attached to the Bills offense or I don't want someone attached to the Seahawks? I think I'll just take my chances with Keon Coleman. He can win. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So pick it. So are you good with Pickens over Walker?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, Good questions. Mighty. I appreciate that stuff. And also, we couldn't figure out the game that might. There's so much going on. As soon as someone's like, wait, who's the home team? I'm like, oh, my God. I've looked at every other thing. It's not in my brain anymore. I don't have it. So thank you for that.

[B]

All right. Oh, wait till the international game start. Who's. Who's the home team? Well, this game's in Ireland, so.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, we got. I don't know if we're gonna be able to get to the chat today. Let's get our last couple in here. We've got Sammy. Sammy's in the house.

[B]

Hey, guys, two quick questions. Sure. The half point ppr.

[A]

I know we felt good about Debo.

[B]

On Thursday night, right?

[A]

We did. Gone with.

[B]

Or should I have gone with Tet and Evans?

[A]

You definitely should have gone with Teteroa. Would have been my play over that.

[B]

My. My bad.

[A]

Second one is.

[B]

Second question is Like May or Dak Prescott.

[A]

Oh, those are my. Both my boys. Yeah, I got, I'm. Where do you have Drake May this week?

[B]

10.

[A]

You got him in 10. Okay. I got him at 7. I think his, that's where his ECR.

[B]

His ECR is pretty high. Like, I mean, considering what happened last week, I was expecting it to be more of a downgrade, but ECR is like pretty high on him. It's like, you know, sometimes I big brain myself. I'm like, I need to be so different from ecr. But at the same time it's like, no, these are, this is expert consensus. Like it's okay to sometimes agree with ECR because we might be all just. We all just might be right.

[A]

This might be super big brained every month by super start Stun the Black Raptor. What's up, Stun?

[B]

Guys, we are so back this season.

[A]

We are back. We are very back. What do you got?

[B]

We are back. All right, so I have two quick questions. The first one is I'm. So this is a 1 QB, full PPR2 flex league.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so my RB depth is Christian McCaffrey, DeAndre Swift, Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason. I have Lamar at quarterback. Drake May is my backup. Would you trade Lamar away for Chase Brown in order to gain RB depth and put Drake May up at qb?

[A]

So wait a minute. You can trade Lamar to get. Wait, you don't want it? Wait, hold on. You're not going to trade Jamar Lamar Jackson to get Jamar Chase?

[B]

No, he said Chase Brown, right? Chase Brown. Yes. Right. Idiot.

[A]

I'm dumb. Okay, so you still don't want to do that though? Dude, I hate the depth. I mean, I like Jordan Mason, but he has John Drew Swift as a second. I, I don't want to trade higher.

[B]

I would shoot higher than Chase Brown if I'm training Lamar Jackson after what he just did. I want, I want like Ash and Genty.

[A]

I thought I was taking crazy pills. I'm like, what are you saying no to Jamar Chase? My brain just did not process.

[B]

Oh, no. Yeah, it wasn't Jamar.

[A]

That's a good point though, is trying to shoot a little bit higher with Lamar because it looked like we were right back into just Elite. Lamar, I don't think it's insane to go ask for. I don't know if you'd have a Chan over Chase Brown. I mean, it's pretty close to the tippy.

[B]

You don't think Genti would get Genti average 2 yards a carry.

[A]

Yeah, I think you can get Genty.

[B]

I think, I think, I guess the.

[A]

Thing we should probably focus on is like you could do that trade. I'm down to do that trade. So if you like a trade, I'm sorry, for a high end running back, if you want to keep pursuing it, but maybe shoot your sights a little bit higher before, before you go because you know Lamar is going to help cover your running stats a little bit as well. So make sure you're getting the tippy top. And I, I do think it's a little weird though that like Chase Brown was a darling of everybody so much this off season. Oh my God, he's going to be a second round pick. And then like after week one and when he got what, 19 carries and. But he was inefficient. Everyone's like, yeah, I don't know, he might not be super great. Like that seems like a little too quick of a turn to me.

[B]

I would agree. But he's, I mean Genti was a first round pick or early second round pick, so he was still going ahead of Chase Brown.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I'm not arguing getting Genty. I'm, I'm just like, I'm talking like trading Lamar to get him. I think that would have. He was going before Lamar in every draft and now like after one week, we don't want to trade a quarterback to get a second round running back pick. I think that's, that seems a little reactionary with the good volume.

[B]

So that's a good point. And yeah, the, the Bengals Browns matchup, we talked about it earlier where we shouldn't, you know, feed into that too much because the Bengals always struggle against the Browns. And something I talked about on one of the betting shows that we did the Bengals games after they play the Browns the last two seasons, all overs, every single one. Because their offense stalls against the Cleveland Browns. People get down on the Bengals the next week and then they smash.

[A]

Yeah. Well, friends, that is this episode. You guys don't know it, we don't talk about it. We got a couple people in the queue. Well, guess what? We have a little after party show that we do. What do we call it? It was a two point conversion.

[B]

Yep. What you do after you score a touchdown but you want more than just an extra point.

[A]

Yeah, it's a two point.

[B]

So are you, are you the Browns or Falcons or 49ers and your kickers? So you just decide we're just gonna go for it.

[A]

Oh, Jake Moody. But we always stick around a couple minutes after to answer those dreaded little Thursday questions. Anything on anybody else has. But we would love for you guys to join us every week right here, Thursdays 2pm Eastern. Just jump in the Discord. You can. As long as you got like an account, it doesn't cost you. You just jump in. You can be a part of the audience, you can ask your questions, be a part of it, be your producer of the show. And we very much appreciate you guys doing that. So make sure you guys are locked in and join us every single week right here, 2pm Eastern on the Discord. We told you guys about all the other stuff as well. We got all the Twitch shows, tons of stuff coming up this week and make sure you're locked into the YouTube channel because massive amounts of videos. Erickson, myself and Fitz just put together all three of the big Rank episodes this week. So I think you guys will enjoy that. That is going to do it for us here today. For Andrew Erickson, I'm Chris Welsh. You guys have a fantastic week too and we will talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.

[B]

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