The Extra Point: Drafting “Your Guys”, Favorite Pairings At The 1/2 Turn, and Week 1 Start & Sit Questions (Ep. 1676)

Summary

FantasyPros Fantasy Football Podcast — The Extra Point

Episode 1676
Date: August 29, 2025
Hosts: Chris Welsh & Andrew Erickson
Main Theme: Drafting “Your Guys,” Favorite 1/2 Turn Pairings, and Week 1 Start/Sit Q&A

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Overview

This lively, listener-driven episode is the last Extra Point show before the start of the NFL season. Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson field real-time draft and lineup questions from the FantasyPros Discord community. The focus: strategy around drafting “your guys” vs. value picks, optimal (and favorite) pairings at the draft’s 1/2 turn, auction league anecdotes, and nuanced week 1 start/sit and trade advice.

The tone is upbeat, conversational, and insight-packed—a blend of actionable analysis and authentic fantasy football banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drafting “Your Guys” vs. Value

Timestamp: [46:00–50:30]

• Listener Question: How do you balance picking "your guys" versus drafting for best value?
• Welsh’s Take: Absolutely draft your guys within reason—you’ll regret passing on your favorites if they hit. "You should always go with your guys because, like, how pissed are you gonna be where you’re like, well, Baker’s a value but I love Dak, and Dak is top five?" ([46:44])
• Erickson’s Advice: It’s safer to “get your guys” in later rounds; don’t reach on unproven breakouts over locked-in studs early. He shares a personal story nearly passing on DeMarco Murray for Zach Stacy—sometimes value wins.
• Example: Legit’s team is reviewed as “not egregious at all,” with choices like Dak over Baker and Tyler Warren over Njoku seen as fine swings if they’re “your guys.”

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2. Strategy at the 1/2 Turn (& Late First) in Redraft and Superflex

Timestamp: [05:06–19:01], [13:45–19:00]

• Superflex Drafts: Top 5 = take a QB ("If you’re gifted the opportunity of Allen or Lamar, you should take it." – Welsh, [05:27]), but at 6+, pivot to skill position players and wait on QB until the third round.
• Drafting at the Turn (112): If top RBs (McCaffrey, Henry, Gentry) are gone, consider value at WR like Brian Thomas, Drake London, or positionally scarce RBs (Erickson leans Jonathan Taylor in half-PPR, citing massive carry upside).
• Elite QB Approach: Both Welsh and Erickson are more open than ever to taking elite QBs earlier—especially in six-point passing TD leagues—as the positional advantage is clear compared to uncertain RB/WRs there.

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3. Auction and Multi-Sport League Stories

Timestamp: [07:11–10:45]

• Welsh recounts a pentathlon league:
  • Emphasizes the “studs and scrubs” approach, nabbing Jamar Chase under value, pairing with Josh Allen and McCaffrey, and Mark Andrews cheap.
  • Favorite auction move? Forcing Fitz to overspend on a third QB (Purdy)—“I forgot why I love auctions…moments like when people price enforce and you stick them, God it made me happy.” ([09:15])
• Moral: Take calculated risks, but don’t get caught price enforcing unless you’re prepared to hold the bag (or the extra QB).

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4. Week 1 Start & Sit Deep Dives

Timestamps: [11:08–58:13] (various audience questions)

• RB Flex Debates:
  • Keon Coleman (favored, high game total) over Jalen Coker or Luther Burden for week 1 ([11:32])
  • RJ Harvey vs. Jordan Mason: Erickson leans Harvey, especially since he was likely drafted ahead and has a more attractive matchup ([29:01])
• Week 1 Cautions: Be mindful of injury news leading into week 1—don't lock lineups too early. ("Guys, I know you’re asking week one questions—like, we still have another whole week of…injury reports… Don’t feel like you need to set your lineup right now." – Erickson, [43:13])
• New QBs/New Receivers: Take a wait-and-see approach rather than force unknown quantities in your flexes for week 1 ("Everyone should have some reservations about new quarterbacks, new receivers in their first games playing together." – Erickson, [58:13])
• Survivor Play: Erickson touts Broncos vs. Titans as his survivor lock for week 1 ([30:18])

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5. Non-Tight End Flex Leagues: Tight End Value

Timestamp: [25:17–28:59]

• Only target TEs in flex if they have genuine TD upside or are attached to high-powered offenses.
  • E.g., Dalton Kincaid as a breakout—Welsh: "Bold prediction—Kincaid finishes as a top six TE." Underlying numbers support upside: top-five in air yard share at TE, strong target %, design plays, yards after catch.
  • Erickson: "Aim for the guys that are going to catch a lot of touchdowns in these non-tight end leagues."
  • Both favor tight ends like Kincaid, Ferguson, Kincaid, and recommend double-dipping with your QB in high-powered offenses.

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6. Dynasty & Deep League Draft/Trade Decisions

Timestamp: [31:16–38:15]

• Evaluating Rookie Picks vs. Established Vets:
  • e.g., Trading 1.08 for Terry McLaurin and Jordan Mason — only if you get both for that pick, otherwise hold and draft for high-upside RBs/WRs (Erickson: "I think that you should keep the ball in your court. You can make the decision, you decide because then it’s like depending on who’s there, like you might be able to ask for more.").
• Kincaid Deep Dive: Welsh provides advanced stats (top 5 in air yard share, target %, design plays among TEs) while Erickson counters he still prefers Tucker Kraft, Colston Loveland, and Tyler Warren at cost.

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7. Major Trade Takes

Timestamp: [38:22–42:53]

• Brian Robinson/Josh Downs for Jameson Williams (Full PPR):
  • Both hosts agree: Smash accept for Jameson Williams even if it “helps” a McCaffrey owner.
  • Robinson is a risky hold waiting for a McCaffrey injury payoff; Williams offers stash upside and roster flexibility.
  • "Brian Robinson coin is not something for the weak of heart. If you are getting a cash out option instead… I’m going to cash out on a great buyout instead of trying to moon it." (Welsh, [40:02])
• RB Handcuffs Clarity (49ers):
  • Erickson: "I get that yes, Brian Robinson Jr. should be the handcuff…but I don’t think he’s gonna have, if McCaffrey goes down, it’s going to be the Jordan Mason run out from last year... Garendo offers something the others don’t: juice." ([41:21])

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8. IDP League & Deep-Roster Guidance

Timestamp: [52:14]

• IDP Draft Timing: Welsh recommends starting IDP picks in the 6th–7th rounds if you want the elite players, but 8th–10th OK for mid-tier (especially in a 26 round PPR IDP league).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Draft “Your Guys”
  • "You should always go with your guys because…how pissed are you gonna be where you’re like, well, Baker’s a value but I love Dak, and Dak is top five?"
    —Chris Welsh [46:44]
• Superflex QB Prioritization:
  • "If you’re gifted the opportunity of Allen or Lamar, I believe you should take it."
    —Chris Welsh [05:27]
• Auction League Payoff:
  • "Would you like to know what my absolute favorite moment of that auction was?...We put Purdy up, and Fitz decided to price enforce and we stuck him with Purdy. It’s my favorite moment of the whole draft."
    —Chris Welsh [09:09]
• Elite QB Impact:
  • "[With elite QB] It's just, it’s really hard to lose weekly matchups when you have a guy scoring 40 points in your lineup every single week."
    —Andrew Erickson [18:00]
• TE in Flex Spot:
  • "Aim for the guys that are going to catch a lot of touchdowns in these non-tight end leagues."
    —Andrew Erickson [27:41]
• Brian Robinson volatility:
  • "Brian Robinson coin is not something for the weak of heart. If you are getting a cash out option instead of trying to go to the moon, I'm…going to cash out on a great buyout."
    —Chris Welsh [40:02]
• Start/Sit Guidance:
  • "Don’t feel like you need to set your lineup right now."
    —Andrew Erickson [43:13]

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Important Segments (Timestamps Overview)

• Intro & Show Structure: [00:35–02:12]
• Superflex Strategy & 1/2 Turn Pairings: [05:06–19:01]; [13:45–19:01]
• Auction Anecdote: [07:11–10:45]
• Flex Decision-Making & Week 1 Start/Sit: [11:08–58:13]
• Non-TE Flex Strategy (Dalton Kincaid): [25:17–28:59]; [35:08–37:43]
• Dynasty Trades & Rookie Pick Value: [31:16–38:15]
• Major Trade Evaluations: [38:22–42:53]
• Listener Q&A, Lightning Rounds, IDP/Deep League Advice: [52:14–57:55]
• Drafting Your Guys vs. Value: [46:00–50:30]

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Listener-Driven Q&A Highlights

• Tough flex calls, deep-league stashes, risky handcuff stances, and rapid-fire trade/draft logic dominate the back half—showcasing the real challenges facing drafters and managers days before kickoff.

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Final Thoughts & Season Preview

• Both hosts stress: trust your research, build around quarterbacks in the right formats, don't get paralyzed by ADP/value when your conviction trumps consensus, and enjoy the process.
• Anticipate more dynamic audience-driven episodes and creative new streams/content (including Madden sims and live Twitch/YouTube events) as the new fantasy football season launches.

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Transcript

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Hello friends and welcome in to Fantasy Pros. This is the Extra Point podcast live on the Fantasy Pros Discord. I'm Chris Welsh. We've got Andrew Erickson, the undertaker, but we're not doing the undertaker stuff today. We though we might talk a little bit of bets. We are talking with you guys. This is the final extra point before the start of the season. What is special about this show is this is a show produced by you, the listener. You guys literally dictate where we are going to go with our content because we're taking your questions. It's kind of old radio style where you raise your hand, you come up, you talk on the podcast. You also can set up a queue of fantasy questions and we're here to do whatever you guys got. It tends to get heavy dynasty sometimes, but whether it's redraft, trades, whatever it is, we got you and we would love for you guys to hang out with us every single time we do this show. And you can do it by joining the Fantasy Pros Discord. Fantasypros.com chat that is how you can not only hear the show a day early, be a part of the community, but be on the show. You can do that with Erickson and I every Thursday at 2pm Eastern on the Fantasy Pros Discord. We've got other offerings. Bogman and Fitz, 5pm Eastern every Tuesday through the end of. Well, this is the end of the month so they're going to have some offerings for September. Worm and Fitz at 5pm Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month. So they should be hooking you up next week. We got a bunch of great offerings. Come and hang out with us. There's AMAs, mock draft rooms, awesome community because the people in here are awesome and you can be awesome as well. Fantasypros.com chat Join up today. Fantasyprose.com chat oh hi. Erickson didn't let you talk for like 12 minutes. What's up buddy?

[A]

Oh, nothing. I don't worry I was paying attention. I wasn't going through my filing cabinet and I almost got my hand stuck in there. But I'm ready to go welsh because the NFL season is as recording this one week away or one week from betting Jalen hurts anytime touchdowns. I can't wait, man.

[B]

I last night started my, I'm starting my end season when I say that, by the way, I'm starting my in season process as a content person and that's a completely different thing. So like locked in my week one rankings. You and I, we do a ton of shows during the week. We do a couple that are going to be together. So I was putting together our rank show. Erickson is going to be a part of the big rank show with Fitzy and myself this season. But we also do a prop show I started and I have like a multi legged process where what I do is before any lines are out, I kind of have like a rudimentary like here are guys that I want to monitor what their lines look like. So I started to do that and then I realized some books have already got lines up. So I started looking around, putting the notes up, doing some of my research and I'm just going to tell you, I have already locked in more than a week ahead. My very first week one prop bet and I'm pretty dang excited about it because I think it's going to go up. I've got a line of other ones. So that's a little hat tip to next week. Erickson and I and Pizza Pia will be on betting pros on the prop show and I think we're going to be tracking bets this year. We're just doing a lot of fun stuff with it. I'm pretty stoked about it. You and I have a blast. And after the show we're going to have to talk about a little, you know who as we're going to squad. You know we're going to squad raid that certain player, right?

[A]

I mean, is that the player that you have already locked in?

[B]

No, no, no. I have to talk to you about it. There's a certain player that you and I agreed about six months ago that we were going to squad ride and we might ladder it and his name might be Waddle Dee.

[A]

Waddle Dee win Waddle, right?

[B]

Yeah, he might rhyme with schway Win schwaddle. We'll have a squad, right? So go and check that out here. But I know that's not all about that. But we are prepped. We're ready for you guys. More than Ever. So let's get to the show. Let's get to what you guys have got. Hopefully we're gonna bring up some audience in here. You're gonna hear from. We've got a chat going on and hopefully it'll keep filling up. So first up on the line is did I click it correctly? Our boy Father man. Father man's always got some fantasy questions. What's up?

[A]

What's going on, guys?

[B]

Well, we're doing pretty good, dude. How are you doing?

[A]

Hell, I'm just driving down the road as usual.

[B]

You guys ready to smash the. I got, I just got people all over me. Someone was asking a Survivor question and I was just like Bangles. And it's like, oh, the defense is so bad. Browns week one. I'm all Bengals just whooping on the Browns week one. Are you ready for that, father man?

[A]

Oh, yeah, I've already got that one on the, on the pick and bet you on the Survivor League and also the BP show either man, I'm ready to win some money this year. Let's do it.

[B]

Let's do it. Let's hit some more ladders. All right, what do you got for us on this show?

[A]

Just a kind of a painting question. I've got a top pick in a 12 team super flex draft and I got the second overall. I just want to get you guys thoughts. I'm probably not going to do it, but what is your thoughts on like taking like Chase at 2 instead of one of the quarterbacks? Man, I don't like the way it ends up sometimes, but sometimes it hits. Okay, I'm just curious.

[B]

You do it, I don't do it. I'm. I'm pretty strict. Top five picks, I'm taking one of those quarterbacks. But when it comes to pick six, I'm all about that has been my strategy in Super Flex across this board. If I get to pick six, I'm taking the top position players and then I'm waiting to quarterback until the third round. But if you're, if you're gifted the opportunity of Allen or Lamar, I believe you should take it. What do you think, Erickson?

[A]

Yeah, I, I think that just going with the quarterback, I'm curious, did you say that it was full ppr, half ppr? It's a full ppr. Two wide receivers, two plays. Okay. Yeah, I guess the case can be stronger for some of the skill position players in full PPR versus half. But just, I mean Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, they play each other week one. They're both going to score like 35 fantasy points. They're just so locked and loaded, the dual threat. And, and they both have like. Because they're not so reliant on top tier wide receiver weapons because those teams rely kind of more on depth. You know, if someone misses time, you're not even like concerned about, oh, no. Like, it's like, Josh Allen doesn't have Josh Palmer for a week or two, what's gonna happen? It's like nothing changes. You're just like, whatever, like score 30 fantasy points no matter what. Whereas like if Joe Burrow loses like Chase or something like that, well, then you like, oh, like this is kind of concerning. So yeah, I think those two guys are just too good at the top to. To forego.

[B]

Simply too good. What was question number two? That was it. I. I want to get it.

[A]

I'm probably not going to do it anyway, but I've just never heard the argument really. I've talked about it and I was just curious and I mean, I mocked it a few times. I tried it both ways and I just didn't like what I ended up at quarterback or even running back at that, at that point. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm with you. That's why I'm just pretty strict and firm to it. So last night, I do this league, Erickson. Are you familiar? I probably talked about it last year. The pentathlon league.

[A]

Is this the one that goes through multiple sports?

[B]

No. So that I do do that. It's a three sport league. This is my friend. I know, I'm. Hey, listen, I live that fantasy life. I try to do a little bit of all of it. Dear friend, Derek Van Riper from the Athletic. Fitz. He's in this, by the way. No big deal. Me and Bogman share a team winners last year. Number one. It's five events. Yeah, it's a flex. There's an auction, super flex league. There's a best ball you do weekly pick them Survivor and a DFS contest. And each one can pay out how you finish and then you accumulate overall points. So again, me and Bogman smashing winners last year. But last night we did our auction draft because we're already in our best ball. We went studs and scrubs, you know where we. And It's Super Flex 2 tight end, 3 wide receiver with a flex. We opened the draft with Jamar Chase and we got him at 42 bucks with, you know, Yahoo's dollar saying he's around 60 something. We had three other players go for more money than Him. And then we were able to tap Josh Allen for, like, $36. We tapped a little Christian McCaffrey action because I forced it. And then we got a cheap Mark Andrews. So we went like the studs and scrubs, but Josh Allen and Jamar Chase in a, you know, Super Flex 2 tight end.

[A]

I mean, and Christian McCaffrey. I mean, you got.

[B]

And Christian McCaffrey.

[A]

We got $10 Mark Andrew, the number one at their respective positions and wide.

[B]

Receiver two is Cortland Sutton. And then we got, for under 10 bucks, Ricky Pierasol and Jacoby Myers. So beautiful. I'm just. I'm just touting here. I mean, you guys don't want to come on here and, you know, promote your teams. I'm going to. I'm going to come on here and you know what? My. You want to know what my absolute favorite moment of that auction was? Because I'm not a big auction guy, because I hate the time, but would you like to know what it was, Ericsson?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the setup. Fitzy went hard on quarterbacks. He paid up big for Lamar, and he paid up big for Jaden Daniels. And then we were going for quarterback number two. We put Purdy up, and Fitz decided to price enforce, and we stuck him with Purdy. It's my favorite moment of the whole draft. His third quarterback ended up spending way too much for a third quarterback. We stuck him for, like 15, 16 bucks for Brock Purdy. I. I forgot why I love auctions. And it's moments like that where people should not price enforce and then you stick them. God, it made me happy. So happy.

[A]

Yeah, but Brock Purdy's the quarterback of your team.

[B]

I don't care. I stuck someone else. I stuck somebody else. I made them lose money.

[A]

When he throws touchdowns, it'll benefit fits on his bench.

[B]

No, it won't. It'll be on his bench. It was his third quarterback. He'll never play pretty except for two weeks the whole season.

[A]

Guys get hurt sometimes.

[B]

We got Cortland Sutton for cheaper. We got Ricky Pearson, Mark Andrews, I think, combined for cheaper than the third quarterback. I'm just saying, like, that little vindictiveness like that is a really nice thing about auction leagues or, you know, whatever you end up calling them. McTunda. Sorry, I just wanted to, like, gloat and talk about auction for a second and that. We got Jamar Chase.

[A]

This is flex. This is flex your roster season right now. One week before the season starts. We all love our teams, and then it's after week one, we look, we're like, oh, my God, what have I done?

[B]

Oh, I'm gonna be like, what a dumb idiot I am. We got an injury quarterback. If we only had Brock Purdy. Oh, my God. You know, 100. But, like, right now, I can have.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Right now, everybody has A plus draft grade. Everyone's team's elite. You're gonna win it all, and we'll see if that sticks after week one.

[B]

Yes, sir. McTunda. What's up, dude?

[A]

How's it going, guys?

[B]

Pretty good, man. What you got? First and foremost, Erickson, I'm riding your.

[A]

Jordan Mason league in rushing. So let's go. All right. Gonna be a lot of fun. And then, so week one, we have three flexes in our league there. So my third flex, I'm debating between Keon Coleman, Jaden Coker, or this is three.

[B]

There's. This is for one flex spot. You're deciding between.

[A]

Yeah, for one flex spot. My other flex spots are occupied by.

[B]

Okay, so Keon Coleman, Coker, and. Who's the third?

[A]

Luther Burden.

[B]

That's a pretty firm Coleman to me.

[A]

But you're not starting Burden. I think. I think it's between Coleman and Coker. Honestly, I think it's like. Honestly, I think it's kind of close, but I think that I would probably just go towards the game total with the Ravens. And Bill, I mean, that game could be 30 points on each side. I think Keon Coleman's got more touchdown equity than probably Jalen Coker does, even though Jim Coker is also going to be a starter.

[B]

What'd you move him up to? There's a lot of push. They confirmed he's going to be the slot receiver. It's fun. Thielen's on, but you still got Ted. You still got Leggette. I've seen a lot of people, like, you know, doing the. Like, wherever you got Coker, it's too low, and it's like, is it. So where do you have him?

[A]

The classic bit I love.

[B]

It's my favorite bit. Wherever he is, he's too low, and.

[A]

It'S like, okay, I got him. Wide receiver, 60.

[B]

I mean, okay, we're about the same.

[A]

But he's, like, right in my essential, like, my wide receiver sleeper tier, where it's like, hey, you need a receiver with your last pick. And in that tier is, like, Tillman, Josh Palmer, Rashad Bateman.

[B]

That's so funny. I have him next to Tillman. That's funny. So funny you said that because I Put him like right with Tillman. So I'm with you on that.

[A]

That's like that same tier of. But like, again, he went from basically being like someone that you're not. You wouldn't really even consider in like most again in deeper leagues. He was already getting drafted. But now like 15th round, you need a wide receiver. I actually don't mind the idea of like if you draft Tetro McMillan earlier on and you can get Coker kind of like as a wide receiver again, it's not like an exact like running back handcuff, but McMillan has been dealing with like this hamstring injury a little bit. So, you know, for some reason if he's unavailable to start week one or something like that happens, well, then Coker would probably be a pretty strong start. So McTunda, just keep pay attention to the injury reports for the Panthers. If for some reason McMillan can't go, I think Coker then kind of becomes an auto start. Honestly, if he's going to be the wide receiver one against the Jaguars.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But Coleman is a pretty easy answer for. At least for me here.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Coleman for week one. Yes.

[B]

Jorge, the lefty premium member of the fantasy pros Discord. Access to everything. This shows access to everybody as long as you have like a free Fantasy Pros account. But Jorge's not blocked out of anything and Jorge's on the line. What's up, dude?

[A]

Hey, guys, I appreciate the access. It's my first time playing fantasy this league this year and I've got three leagues, so.

[B]

Oh, like ever so ever.

[A]

Yeah, commercial in one league kind of went all in. Just what I do.

[B]

So that's cool, dude.

[A]

Drafts tonight, both snake, both half PPR. Adam drafting under the 112 for both at the turn, kind of what's available like then thinking wide receiver, running back. But at the turn I really only have maybe like Taylor, Bucky and Chase Brown, maybe Kyron as well. Kind of curious like what you guys would suggest in terms of the right running back in that situation.

[B]

Because. Wait, wait, wait. Because this is redraft, correct? Because like you're saying you don't expect Genty or A Chan or anybody to be available.

[A]

This is, this is redraft. So I'm expecting like late in the round, maybe they see like Henry Janty and McCaffrey gone. So it's really going to be like up to Taylor, Bucky and Chase. I know Chase has been going up the ECR, but is that worth doing the pick at the 112 between the.

[B]

Three of them or are you out on a chan?

[A]

I'm. I think I'm out on a chan. I, I don't like the, the injury risk there. Unless you think that it's worth taking the risk.

[B]

I do. And it's because you said it's ppr. Hn, for all intents and purposes, looks like he's good to go. Oh, half ppr. Okay. Well, it does. It doesn't really change anything for me. For me, it's a lot of the times it's about positional stuff. Like I don't get too hyper focused.

[A]

It's.

[B]

Or I'm sorry about the players. I don't get too hyper focused on. Like I gotta have this or this. Like if I'm staring at a great value at running back. And then there's this collection of, you know, Drake, London's and Brian Thomases and whatever. It's like, cool, I'll take that running back and that guy. If a bunch of those running backs go and you are left with a Bucky in them, but then you're staring at, you know, three of. Yeah, again, Brian Thomas, Drake, London, like I'm going to take those wide outs for sure. So it's really about positional stuff. But I think the big key here is if those main running backs you mentioned are not there. But I'm still kind of an HN guy, I think in those formats. So like if I got London and hn, I'm really kind of game for it. But Erickson, you're better suited. What do you think about this turn, this turn strategy he should implement?

[A]

I think that half ppr. I think I might just give the light slight lean to Jonathan Taylor. I just think that he is one of the guys that's. Of the names you listed, he's probably the best Bet to see 300 carries. Like, I get that his receiving ceiling isn't necessarily super high, but this is over. Daniel Jones. Sorry, say that again.

[B]

This is over. Bucky. Jonathan Taylor.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I just think that he could see like three. I mean, like how many running backs have we seen their coaches give them 30 carries in a game of this tier?

[B]

Yeah, McCaffrey, Henry.

[A]

Well, you know, but he's in the tier above it, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. To your point. Sure.

[A]

That's what I mean. Like there's no other team that would just basically give everything to their. That specific player than Jonathan Taylor and the Colts. So I think in half ppr, I think that he is pretty safe. I'm also not out On Achan again, I think if especially in full pbr, I'd probably like consider taking him over JT just because of the upside that we saw last year when TUA was healthy. And look, we know who the handcuff is. It's Ollie Gordon, right? Jalen Wright's hurt, Alexander Madison's on your reserve. So if you draft A Chan, just make sure you draft Ollie Gordon later on in your draft and you should be good. Even if ACHAN Mrs. Week one, it says that he's going to be okay, but just kind of with that precautionary addition. So that's kind of how I would probably play it.

[B]

Yeah, we're not like Jorge. I mean Erickson smarter than me, finished better in the ranks. So listen to him. But like HN Bucky, those are my order before JT and I would, I'd be fine. Go. I like hn and pairing with one of those wide receivers, I think you got some really good choices. Was there a second question on your other draft?

[A]

Yeah, there was. And so the other, the. So both drafts are half ppr, but one is a six point passing TD and the other is a four point passing TD in the six point. Does it make sense then to go for a burrow a Jalen hurts a Daniels at the 34 turn or should I just punch the position entirely and just try to pick up another wide receiver or running back instead?

[B]

I mean, if Lamar is there, you know what to do. What do you think, Erickson? You going to prioritize quarterback a little bit more in that format?

[A]

Yeah, I think I would. I've just been way more open to the elite quarterback this year than I think probably ever, honestly. And it's because I look at how strong those quarterbacks project of the elite passers between Lamar Allen Hertz and Jaden Daniels. And then I look at the receivers and running backs in that range and I just, I feel like I can poke so many holes in those guys that I'm like, why take the risk when I don't feel super confident or as confident as I can just lock in a guy who's going to finish top three at his position if he stays healthy. Like that's it. Like that's how those guys fail is if they get hurt. And okay, well I have to go to the waiver wire. Oh, I have to play Jordan Love or C.J. stroud off. Like you're fine. Like you'll, you'll be okay. So I'm way more open, especially when it's six points per Passing touchdown. Like, it's just, it's really hard to lose weekly matchups when you have a guy scoring 40 points in your lineup every single week between these elite quarterbacks. So that's the way I've been playing it. And it's definitely different from what I have traditionally done, which has always kind of been like, late round, late round, late round. Just looking at how many points those guys actually score. I've been really kind of changing my tune.

[B]

I have not shied away from the elite quarterbacks when given the opportunity. I'd say like, if I really hated the positional players, it's like not my guys. Like, I love the wide receivers, don't love the running backs and Burrows sitting on the board. Smash, Jaden Daniels, Smash. If not, I'd also say in that format though, like, if there's some really great positional drops. We had a draft where like AJ Brown is like dropping a bunch and if you just get some of those weird drops. I still don't hate the idea, but I do this much more strictly where people say late round quarterback. I do stack quarterback late and it's like give me Dak and give me Caleb or give me Dak and Purdy, you know, give me Fields and Dak, like give me two guys in the seventh or eighth round. Dak has in that format with a lot of passing touchdowns I think is actually this even like a tiny bit better. So you could do something like that if there's great positional players. But don't be afraid to to stack one of those quarterbacks that throw. Not stack, but take one of Those quarterbacks at 3, 4 that have like really high volumes. Great, great question and Jorge, congrats. I love that you're like first time ever and you went all in with three and hopefully Fantasy Pro's got you set up. And hopefully and if you haven't already, Jorge. All these questions can be locked in with the Fantasy Pros Draft Assistant. Draft Assistant connects directly to your draft and provides both real time pick suggestions and estimations on which get taken before your next pick. So you've got two drafts tonight. First time ever. Make sure Draft Assistant is with you. It fully integrates your customized cheat sheets and suggests picks based on your rankings, team build, ADP and other factors. And those cheat sheets, by the way, you could pick like me and Erickson or Erickson and Fitz or whoever. In the industry, you can create cheat sheets based on other people's ranks to help guide you through the draft. Dominate your draft in real time without the guesswork with draft [e-mail] assistant or on the Fantasy Pros app. And Jorge, guess what? You, my friend, can try it free during your draft tonight by claiming your three day trial of Fantasy Pros Premium. Just go to fantasypros.com premium and get it hooked up. Jorge, this is important in the chat, I want you to know, or I want to know if you already had premium and if you don't, you're going to need to sign up for that. I'm not going to usually be forceful. Already got it. Jorge, already a big winner. I was going to say go and sign up for that freemium there on the premium if your draft is tonight. But Jorge is already a winner. So thanks brother. Go and check it out fantasybros.com assistant for your last minute drafts.

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Hey, man. We can hold multitudes in terms of the Ronin.

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[A]

So I've got two. I'm in two leagues at half point at ppr. But the one question I have is one of them does not hold the tight end position. We have three flexes or two flexes, three wide receivers and two running backs. And I was curious, is there any value in picking up tight ends for the flex spots at any point in the, in the drafting process this year.

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Or just what's the form? I'm sorry, did you say half or full or.

[A]

It's half.

[B]

Okay, half. Yeah. I think you. A really good way to do it is kind of like line up. How your leagues format points per game. I've done a couple of these. The flex leagues, Jake Seeley's industry leagues, we don't have a quote, tight end position. We have like flex and then we have what's Called a wide receiver tight end flex. So you can put either in there and you ended up seeing like Bowers and McBride and Kittle or well Bowers and McBride specifically kind of go around where they go in tight ends and then like maybe Kittle and then things started to slow down but in that deeper format I was forced to take like Jake Ferguson still on the lower end. So I'm saying all this to say like yes, tight ends are valuable but I think after like the top two or three they start to drop a few rounds and then you're starting to compare their value versus like the upside of wide receivers. Erickson, what do you think about that?

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I think for me you have to approach the certain tight ends with the idea of touchdown upside because in half ppr because titans are not going to separate themselves by you know seeing 12 targets a game. There's only like a handful of guys that even get that type of volume. So how do you get tight ends that actually produce in your lineup as flex plays? They have to score touchdowns. So that's what I'm looking for when I'm looking at tight ends. I can fill my flex. So whether that's he's attached to my quarterback so that you can kind of double dip and that's how I'm approaching it. Where they basically have to be in high powered offenses. Like that's the only kind of tight end that I'm interested in. So someone that's really interesting in going back to flex. I know I'm still in my flex what draft where it's a slow draft and it's best ball. So we're like in the 17th, 18th round but guys that felt like you said like Jake Ferguson, Dalton Kincaid, right?

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Yeah.

[A]

See him catching like catching a decent amount of touchdowns. If he just is like the red zone guy for Josh Allen this year again the James Cook touchdowns. If he doesn't score 19 touchdowns again then someone's going to catch them and if it's Kincaid, well all he has to do is catch a touchdown and that's going to immediately probably help him produce in your lineup because you know a titan that catches four passes for 40 yards, like that's not doing anything like that's not going to help you. So aim for the guys that are going to catch a lot of touchdowns in these non tight like where tight ends aren't required because I think that's basically how they can help separate against like some of the receivers and running backs.

[B]

I just did a bold prediction show on in this league show Boggs and I do. And one of my bold predictions is Dalton Kincaid finishes as a top six tight end this year. It's wild. You go over to Fantasy points, which I love, everything that they do, and you start to look at some of the underlying stuff on Kincaid and It's like top 10 design percentage. Top 10. God, what was it? Top 10? I think target percentage top. I mean, he's top 10 across the board. I don't have the cheat in front of me and it'll take forever to get there, but it was like yards per route run like it's pretty wild. Some of the adot like the stuff that he's got underlying with some of that big underperformance. And then you take out like questionable, like, where are the. Where are the guys? I'm not doing the greatest sell here. Go listen to the episode. But a bunch of those interesting stats over on Fantasy Points data that just like jumped out to me about King Cage. You're just like, wow. If he just sees a little bit more of a target share the way they did. I mean, the design plays, the way that he was like at the tippy top of some of the production that you saw from guys like Kelsey and. Or not Kelsey, like Kittle and Mark Andrews and them. So I think King Cage is like a really fun one that you threw in there. Let's go to. I don't realize if I hit this right. J Spark. Did I hit that right? Premium member on the discord. What's up, dude? You got unmute.

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There we go. What's going on?

[B]

What's up?

[A]

They have a week one starting RB question went Nico and Neighbors to start the draft. So my wide receivers are looking pretty stellar, but RB room, not so great. So my RB2, I'm looking at either Harvey or. Or Mason. You guys have a preference there, Harvey?

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I think maybe Mason's a tiny bit safer, I suppose. Oh, this is a tough one because Erickson, you're big on. On Mason rest of the way through. Big explosive plays. By the way, I like Mason over Aaron Jones at this point, but I don't know, man. I think RJ Harvey is too explosive. Even if he loses some early carries, I just don't see how they're going to keep him off the field. He's going to catch balls out of the backfield. But I say Harvey. What do you say, Erickson?

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Yeah, I mean, you definitely drafted Harvey ahead of Jones or, excuse me, of Mason. So I'm just gonna probably take the guy that I drafted first and I think that both guys will be in a timeshare in Week one, but we just look at the matchups. Welsh, I don't even have to tell you, necessarily the opponents. Do you want to play the running back for the team that's at home favored by more than touchdown, or do you want to take the team that's more of a pickup game that's playing on the road in Chicago with a quarterback making his first NFL start?

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Touchdown at home, baby.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Which is why you want to take the Broncos. Like, that's my survivor pick. The Broncos, they're going to kill the Titans Week one. Like. Like, so I understand the values with guys like Tony Pollard and Calvin Ridley. I think Week one's going to be rough for that entire Titans offense. Like. Like, I just. I think that if you don't get any of those Titans players, like a Pollard or Ridley, you're going to be buying low on them in Week two. Like that. That's kind of my move when it comes to the Titans.

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I dig it. I dig that one. Let's go to Red Bird. Red Beard.

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Stupid.

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Red be not you. Red Beard. I'm stupid. It's like a Cardinal thing I was going to say.

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Damn, man.

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I know. It's one of those days, brother. It's been a long, long season. We're prepping. I talk a lot. I'm trying.

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Season. Oh. I mean, you've been doing. You've been doing double duty with baseball.

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Oh, I don't stop on baseball and football. I don't have a break point. But also, I'm working on trying to talk a little bit slow, slower, so I'm more articulate. And I. I turned you into a Bird, but you are the red of beards. And what do you got for us?

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All right. I've got one league that still hasn't done their rookie grab. Nice. Right? So it kind of worked out. I thought I was picking up Quin, Sean, but I may not now. I've got. I know who I'm taking. I've got the 101, 106, 108. I know I'm taking Genti with the 101.

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Where would y' all lean with the 106, 108?

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Because I got an offer for either the 106 or 108 of McLaurin and Jordan Mason. The 108.

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I mean, I would sell that 108 for McLaurin.

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Yeah. I mean, Ms. minute 108. Could be. Is someone trying to trade up for Jacori Crosky, Merit, I don't know. That's a 108. I mean, they could be. And it's like if you could trade Jacob mary for Terry McLaren and Jordan Mason, it's like, yeah, that's. That's a no.

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Do you get both McLaren and Mason or just you get to pick one of them for the eight?

[A]

He offered those two. He hasn't actually sent a deal, so I was going to see if he'd do both and I'd throw a third in if I had to because I have two thirds also.

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I will singularly sell that eight for either one of those players or both or whatever. So I think that's a good deal. I just, I'm not trading the six.

[A]

I wouldn't do for one and one. Terry McLaurin's older and Jordan Mason is also like not like a super young running back. So the other receivers he has. Because I know y' all have been big on Calvin Ridley because he's got Calvin Ridley and Cortland Sutton in that same kind of. I, I guess, I mean, give me.

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Sutton all day, but it's still like.

[A]

They'Re still like dying. There's still receivers past their age Apex. Like, that's my concern about trading a first round pick for them.

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So then like your concern, you're trading away like Tyler Warren for one of these guys?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if it's. I don't think Ty Warren's gonna be there. 108, like, really? Are you thinking Buka is going one? You think I can grab him at 106? Yeah, that's probably where he's going to be slotted in. It depends on like, because Travis Hunter is always like a wild card because you never know like where he's gonna go. But it's going to be some combination of Genti. I mean, I don't know. Like, it seems like 108 is probably gonna have something pretty valuable just because like the running back values have kind of been in flux and it's like really talented pool.

[B]

So let's do it real quick. Hold on. So it's Genti. Let's go. Genti Tet A Marion Travion. Let's just call that the four. So then if Travis is a wild card, you're either getting Hunter or Igbuka at 6. The other probably goes at 5. So now going to 8. There's the outside chance. So now Warren is. It's either Warren or Harvey is there. So now we are kind of throwing out something. You are Trading away either Warren or Harvey or someone better by the way, for Jordan Mason and Terry McLaurin. So that does kind of change the scope a little bit, especially if you can get RJ Harvey. So maybe back to Ericsson's point. If you're getting both of those pieces, pieces, that's kind of like a smash, smash ish buy because it's really great depth. But no, you're in theory giving up one of those guys. Or if someone is reaching for a Harvey or like Erickson says he's not going to be there if Warren goes, then all of a sudden Egbuca or Travis Hunter falls to eight. And that is actually pretty crazy.

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Yeah, I think I'd probably just. I mean if he hasn't set the offer yet, just make him. Just send it. Send him an offer when you're on the clock, like there's no need to rush it. I think that you should keep the ball in your court. You can make the decision, you decide because then it's like depending on who's there, like you might be able to ask for more. Like let's say he's a Travis Hunter bull and he's like, oh my God, like Travis Hunter's like I'm gonna give you a future first and the rest of those guys like something like that. So I think, yeah, I think just based on the way that the rookies have kind of moved a little bit, I think 108 still holds a lot of value versus other years. There's going to be probably a decently strong profile or player there and worst case scenario you just stick and pick. Best case is you get more back. So yeah, I think that you just hold and see who's on the board.

[B]

By the way, I pulled up the stuff I wanted to do this to just not sound like the biggest moron on the planet. My Kincaid stuff. So pulling up Kincaid here. Here's your top four in air yard share at tight end last year. McBride Bowers, Kelsey Kittle, number five, Dalton Kincaid. About 2% off of where George Kittle was. Target percentage about the same. Just off of George Kittle higher than you know, Henry Hawkinson Laporta however you want to end up throwing that out. Yards per reception was high up there. Design plays was top five and designs first reads. He was I believe number five. He was a percent less than a percent off from George Kittle. So I'm throwing out is like you're talking about a dude that's getting yak after reception at an elite level. Air yard shares that are at an elite level. I mean he's doing a bunch of that stuff that's a top with the tippy top guy. So if he starts to get the targets again, like that's what, that's where I'm laying out some of the Dalton Kincaid stuff.

[A]

I mean I, I agree with you. I think that Dalton Kincaid is a good tight end option. My issue with him is he goes in the range of Tucker Craft, Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren. I'm like, I think that's like, that's why I haven't picked him nearly as much. But I definitely agree with the bullish case for him. And just as like a overarching thought I've been thinking about with the Bills. There are no Bills receivers that are going inside the top 100 picks despite Josh Allen being the QB one. Some. Someone's going to hit, someone's going to hit. Like they're like, there's no, like we're going to look back and be like oh my God, why was this, why was Bill's ex receiver or their tight end going so late when Josh Allen was literally the QB one all year long? Like, like so take, you got to take shots on Bill's players like again maybe. I know last year my talking about getting tattoos of certain things did not pan out. I think it was like Broncos running backs and like packers wide receivers. It was really bad how to get the tattoo removal. But this year it would be get a Bills skill player not named James Cook on your team and just see how things shake out because someone is being vastly undervalued. Especially with Khalil Shakur missing basically all of training camp with a high ankle sprain. Who's Josh Allen been throwing to? Josh Palmer. He's been throwing to Keon Coleman. Dalton Kincaid, like you laid out. I mean I, I am a Josh Palmer like slappy like I need. I so badly want him to hit in some way. I actually listed up my, my guys for this year, Welsh and I. Josh Palmer made the cut as my 5th year wide receiver breakout.

[B]

So I like it. I like Banshee in the chat too that says hey Erickson, thanks for the Kincaid info. That was me that gave the Kincaid info even though I sound like an idiot. But yes, thank you.

[A]

But I said it louder so that.

[B]

You did say it louder and more succinctly and better and you're more well respected and I'm a stupid idiot. So. Okay, but Kincaid, we are drafted. We're not drafting over Warren and Craft by the way, but we are just saying that there's a lot of potential. Potential upside. So thank you, Erickson, for the awesome information. Let's go to our boy, Perception.

[A]

What's up?

[B]

And then the queue's open, by the way. We'll look at chat. Unless more hands get raised. But what's up, Perception?

[A]

Hey, guys, thanks for getting me on here.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Don't usually trade before week one, but I've got a trade offer coming in from the McCaffrey owner. He wants to get Brian Robinson for me as well as Josh Downs, and he's offering Jameson Williams. This is a full PPR league.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love that. Yeah, you hate doing anything nice for him because he has McCaffrey and that's like a benefit, but you're getting more than such a good deal.

[A]

So. Yeah, the only reason I'm hesitant with this. Well, I guess there's two reasons I would have to pick between starting Jameson Williams and Waddle. So Williams maybe wouldn't even start for me, depending on how Waddle does. And the other reason is I feel like if McCaffrey does get hurt, I'm going to be able to get way more than that for Brian Robinson.

[B]

Yeah, I see what you're. You're getting at, but, like, if he doesn't, you have dead weight. Jameson Williams is a player that could jump guys like Waddle. When you're dealing with your bi weeks, it's just. Just too good. It's too good of an asset to get.

[A]

To me, it's. Yes, there's probably a better time where you could sell Brian Robinson, but maybe you. You don't know when that's gonna be. It's like trying to sell a stock at the exact time that it's gonna peak before it dips.

[B]

It's like crypto, where they're like, you gotta be in there for, like, 30 seconds when it all goes and you have to get out and you gotta be on Solana and whatever. And that's. That's selling Brian Robinson.

[A]

Yeah, it's. To me, it's just. It's so hard to pinpoint that exact time when it's the perfect time to sell. When someone is giving you a more than has already given you a great offer to get out now it's like, sick. Like, now you don't have to worry about, like, you're out of the Caffrey business. Like, whatever, like, it's not your problem anymore. Now your problem is, oh, I got to start between Waddle and Jameson Williams. To me, that's a good problem to have.

[B]

Yeah, listen, Brian Robinson coin is not something for the weak of heart. And if you are getting a cash out option instead of trying to go to the moon, I'm. I'm going to cash out on a great buyout instead of trying to moon it.

[A]

And I want to be. And I understand that Shanahan came out and said, like, Brian Robinson's like the RB2 and he's the guy there. And I. And I get that, but we also saw Brian Robinson get basically abandoned by his team because they thought that he was average. He's not a special running back. So even if he is the guy that gets the work for the first time, that 49ers offensive line is still super fragile because it's Trent Williams or bust, and he's 37 years old. And if he doesn't hit like Jordan Mason did last year, well, they have two other guys that they might want to go to. Grundo, like, he's super. Like, the thing with Garendo, he's always hurt, but he offers one thing. I think that none of the other running backs behind McCaffrey do and Welsh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, dude, he's way more explosive than both Jordan James and Bretton Robinson is like, he has way more juice than those guys.

[B]

I agree. I get pushback from Bogman a lot about Jordan James, but like, Garendo, open field, like Garrindo, to me, is the closest representation of like, what Raheem Mostert was, was of this team. And if you remember, Raheem Mostert's like, open field, 24 mph prower. Like big glass. Yeah. Made a glass. Exactly. Living proof.

[A]

It's like a rando is. So, like, that's why I. I get that, like, yes, Brian Robinson Jr. Should be the handcuff that you draft, but I don't think that he's gonna have. If McCaffrey goes down, it's going to be the Jordan Mason run out from last year. I don't think it's going to be exactly the same. It could start like that, but I think that it's much more of a tougher bet than it was last year because a lot of those other players really weren't involved. Granddaughter was a rookie, so they weren't going to necessarily lean on him significantly. And they drafted Jordan James like I. Jordan James I don't think is like a bad running back. I think that he's kind of like Brian Robinson, where he's just like, kind of does everything okay. But Garendo offers something that the other running backs don't, and that's juice the pass catcher out of the backfield. Obviously it can only happen in limited spurts because then he gets banged up. But it wouldn't surprise me if he maybe has a little bit more of a role alongside of Brian Robinson if something happens to McCaffrey.

[B]

So perception also said frees up a roster spot to go pick up Dylan Sampson.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Absolute win.

[A]

Yeah, that's. You got to do it. You got to slam that trade.

[B]

Super tough thing. He asked too. He says if the trade goes through, do you start waddle or Jameson Williams? Listen, Erickson and I are on the waddle bus. I just kind of think Jameson Williams is going to eat in this first week as well. So this is a really tough question, but like, I just like, you know.

[A]

Whichever one, you then bet the over on the other guy.

[B]

Oh, that's a good one.

[A]

So you win no matter what.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm not. I think like right now it's waddle for me, but it's super close.

[A]

I think that you might have an injury because again, if, if Hill is hurt or HN is out, then it just like, it just makes starting waddle so easy. Just like you can't ignore it if one of those guys is injured. Just the offense is going to flow through.

[B]

He's like, he's like, I could. He said I could bench tet for those two. It's like, nah, I mean, Ted might be it.

[A]

Like that's the thing. Guys, I know you're asking week one questions. Like we still have another whole week of like injury reports. Like guys might miss time and so don't feel like you need to set your lineup right now.

[B]

All right. We. We don't have anything in the queue, so just want to mind if you want to raise your hand. You get front of the line access, especially if you haven't already talked. Otherwise we're gonna start hitting the chat scroll. But we want to tell you guys about the great offerings we've got on Twitch. Most of you know by now we've been doing for about a year. A year. Ish or so. Twitch TV Fantasy pros. There's some pretty cool stuff that's going on. We have the fantasy pros team draft coming up on Tuesday. That is the content team. We are going to do Brady Bunch style. It's going to be at 2pm Eastern on Tuesday, September 2, where it is going to Erickson, me, Deebro. I think there's like, six of us are going to be on screen. We're going up against each other. We're drafting live on Twitch, and I had an idea. I don't know what you think about this, Ericsson. I feel like we got to have a little something online. I feel like we should all, like, chip in, like, 10 bucks and then the winner gets a belt for the content team, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You like that?

[A]

Yes. Yes. Okay. I think that playing for something besides bragging rights is good. It keeps people locked in.

[B]

I think we will. I gotta talk to our dear friends over at Trophy Smack and see if. I mean, money will speak for it, but I think that's what we might do. So you want to come and hang for that? Another thing, I'm just going to throw this out here because it looks like it's set. I've been teasing this, but we're going to be doing some fun. We did actually a Madden stream last week, and it looks like I'm going to be doing a fun little series where we are going to be simming each week. We're going to do this live, where we're going to sim the week, look at what it does, and obviously week to week compared to real stuff. But we're going to have this cool YouTube video. The point is the live stream. We're going to sim it, we're going to look at the results, and then we're going to play a couple of that week's matchups. We're going to be doing that on Twitch and this Tuesday, that's going to be at 12pm Eastern. So we're going to have like three hours of streaming content for you. Plus we got a bunch of other cool stuff. Seth Wilcock and Debro, answer your questions. Wednesday at 2pm Eastern. We've got Thursdays and Fridays at 5pm Eastern. It's all over on Twitch TV. FantasyProse, if you want to hang live, some of the stuff is going to get back to YouTube. The content draft will. My Madden videos are going to get all produced up by our incredible team for this idea that I've had, and I hope you guys will dig it. And I know a couple people have really liked that idea, but come and watch live and interact with it. I think it'll be a ton of fun and we'll turn some cool stuff into it. All right, let's get back. We are actually not going to the chat scroll because Legit just came in from the. From the rafters here, which you got legit. You got on mute, though, from the turn.

[A]

Can you guys hear me?

[B]

Yeah, we got you good now.

[A]

Awesome. Thanks guys. So I sent my team I just drafted last night in the chat a little while ago. Let me see what time that was at. For reference is at 206. So it was a three keeper league. I was the first pick. So I was at the turn and I took guys like my quarterbacks are Dak and Brock and I took Dak over guys like Baker and Kyler and then I also took Tyler Warren over guys like Najoku and guys in that kind of area. And I was kind of saying they're just my guys and I believe in them. So I kind of wanted to get your guys opinion on like how you kind of view your guys and how you assess. Like, do I go with my guy or do I go with the guy who I think is a value at the time?

[B]

I think you're, you're on it legit. You're doing, you're doing the right stuff. You should, you should always go with your guys because like how pissed are you going to be where you're like, well, you know, Baker's a really good value, but I love Dak and Dak is like top five at quarterback. Like I do think you want to pay attention to value when warranted, but I don't think he did anything egregious. Legit's team, by the way, Purdy and Dak, which I've literally said on here, I love that stack running backs are Jacobs, Genty with RJ Harvey on the bench and Charbonnet wideouts are Marvin Higgins. You got Waddle and Jameson who we just talked about as your flex. You got Keen, you have much depth at wide receiver on your bench you do have IUK on the IL and Tyler Warren. I think you, if you've done your work or you know, whatever you've, if you've gone through like reading Erickson's articles or whatever it is, even if you haven't done any of it, by the way, it's your team, you should be comfortable with it. I just don't think anything he did was in an egregious territory where we're like, whoa, dude, you know, that's not even justifiable. Even though it's your guy. I think he did stuff that was fine. I have Dak over Kyler. Baker's right in that same general vicinity. Tight ends Warren over in Joku all day. I think you're doing it right. What do you think, Erickson?

[A]

I think that in those ranges it's a little bit easier to go after your guys. So I don't think that that's egregious in any way. Kind of the way that you outlined Welsh. Like, I personally am not as high on Dak as others are. I think that also has to do with him playing at the Eagles in Week 1, which I don't like.

[B]

Yeah, I don't love that very.

[A]

I'm very much when I'm going late round quarterback, I don't want to have to scream guys right from the jump. Like that is annoying to me. So there I'm lower on deck. Deck also was not good last year and he was good two years ago but he was also really bad last year, so. And he also doesn't run. So Dax not a player that I would have reached for personally. But in that tier, I think over Baker, I think it's still a little aggressive. I mean Baker was really good last year. I know that he's a fade on a lot of people's list, including mine, but that's because of the price. If he was going in like the DAC range, I would probably draft more of Baker Mayfield. So the tight end thing I'm not going to argue against. I think Tyler Warren has insane upside. I think in Joku is a better projection like for week one. I mean if you look at Njoku, what he did last year against the Bengals, this Guy's gonna catch 10 passes for 150 yards.

[B]

It's gonna be no doubt. Like dude, I was staring at all his props. They're just so. I'm just. You look at him and you're just like, okay, all of them, please.

[A]

And Joker was going outside the top 100 like forever. And I think that it's probably not gonna last for him because they have held their fan in and Joe Flacco, we've seen this kind of story before. It's James Winston esque where he like lights it up for a couple games and we get like super confident like oh, the Browns pass the game. We should have been all over this and then it obviously like flames out. But I think in Joku is just going to start the season on fire. But Tyler Warren I think is the better long term bet throughout the year because I mean he could be the number one receiver for the Colts all season long. So that's all weighing that. I would say that going with your gut earlier in drafts is where you can get into some trouble, where you're reaching on a projected breakout player versus a locked and loaded stud. And the example that I use, and this happened very early in my drafting career. I remember I was really high on this second year running back Zach Stacy for the Rams. Oh, yeah. And I almost drafted him over DeMarco Murray when he rushed for like 2,000 yards. But I didn't because I took the value because DeMarco Murray fell. So, like, those are the things that stick in my mind of when you're picking at the beginning, trust your rankings don't necessarily reach on the. The breakout players until we get a little bit farther into the draft. So that's kind of like.

[B]

I think that's kind of what. Yeah, we did. I think that's where. Okay, real quick, you give me a line for in joke. Have you looked at any of this stuff for this week? Okay, you give me your joke.

[A]

I want to look. I don't want to look unless I'm investing it into that time because then I'm going to look and not like, make do anything. And I'm gonna look back and be like, oh, they all moved. And I'm like getting that. I hate myself because I let all these values slip through my mind. So, okay, I have not looked at anything.

[B]

Well, we're doing this one. You give me your in Joku line against the Bengals in week one, rough estimate. And then I'm going to tell you what it is.

[A]

I say it's round, like.

[B]

No, I want what you think. I don't want you to guess what the line is. I want like, what. What is your. Like, this is what in joke.

[A]

What I set the line at.

[B]

No, what. What do you. What, like, what do you think he. How do you think he's going to perform? Like, what are his numbers after we.

[A]

I just told you. I mean, he could go over 100 yards and I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, the line's not going to be 100 yards. I mean, I. The lines probably like what, like 45 and a half or like 50.

[B]

Yeah, it's 46.5 exactly.

[A]

And I'd slam you.

[B]

And he's 4.5 receptions at minus 111. His receiving air prop at 46.5. Give me the first quarter, maybe one catch. I. I'm just throwing that out there, like, get it. Get in on it. All right, let's go take a look at what's going down in the chat. Let me see if I can get back up there. Chat. All right, let's see. Bubba. Bup. Hello, gents. What round would you start taking IDP players in a 26 round, IDP, PPR league. Good Lord, brother. Probably I do a keeper. I do a 16 team IDP keeper league. And I think like the sixth or seventh, I usually do a redraft, one that has some IDP players. I want to say, like, if you want the elite guys, you gotta, you gotta dial in around the 7th or 8th, but I'm okay checking in 9th or 10th or something like that on the middle tier linebackers.

[A]

Any different for you for idp? I'm not sure I feel qualified enough to answer.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not really qualified. You should say that for Bagman, but just. I do play in a couple leagues. It's usually around 6, 7. If someone's like, oh, I gotta have the top linebacker. I think 8, 9, 10. Somewhere in there is a good point because you've gotten the majority of your starters to check in, but that's where I'm at. All right. Bofa would like to trade for Tracy. Who? Would you be okay with trading him from my roster? Let's see. That's not great. Let's. This is tough to say. Giddens, Bryant, Mitchell, he's in a position. Let me just. I'll do it like this. Most of his players are not worthwhile. The only player that stands out is trading Crosby, Merritt for Tracy. Everything else, you're not getting him. So would you trade Bill for Tracy? Who do you want this season?

[A]

That's an interesting one because they're kind of similar profiles both day three rookie or one of them was rookie last year, but both day three picks. But Tracy looks like he has the Runway, but we're concerned about him holding on to the job with Cam Scatter. Boo. Man, that one is tough. But I don't know why do you have a lean either way? Because I like, I don't think like Tracy's like bad. I mean, I was originally down him because I thought he was going to lose the job, but Scatterbo got hurt. I guess I still am concerned that Scatterboo does take on a larger role as the season progresses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think maybe. But it'd be only be like I. It would have to be because I feel good about the running backs. I'm already starting because like Trey Tracy has value right now. Like he's gonna start in week one.

[B]

For the job and he has to start this guy. This is his number two running back and the problem he has if they're.

[A]

Number two, I would just keep Tracy because, like there are scenarios.

[B]

No, no, he has merit. He could trade Merit for Tracy.

[A]

Oh, then yeah. I mean if you needed RB2 right now, I think that's fair to do.

[B]

Yeah. He wants. I think he wants to trade a wide receiver.

[A]

You just.

[B]

You have too good of players. You're too healthy. Like Zay Flowers is on his bench, but you're not gonna trade Flowers for him. So you. I would actually go for a higher running back and maybe move a guy like Tracy because of just the depth that you're wide receiver. But he's got really poor running back.

[A]

Depth, I would say instead of looking at it. I really think that the cross key merit thing, you should try to use him as like a piece to move up kind of like what you said. So maybe what you should do is try to trade like I don't even know this would work. But like maybe Pickens and cross game Eric to get up to like Jonathan Taylor or McMillan and cross key merit to get up to Jonathan Taylor because you already have DJ Giddens as the running back and then you can slot in Zay Flowers because he's on your bench. So I mean, I wouldn't say like Drake London for Jonathan Taylor, but I maybe try to do that type of combination. Yeah.

[B]

All right, let's attempt. We'll do a little lightning round since we're in the final minutes here of it. Bunch of stuff. This is bunting 16 team. It's a keeper league essentially. Kittle waddle for Kelsey Nico. But I want to point out it's a standard league. There's some other factors in it. But would you offer Kittle and waddle to get Kelsey and Nico? Looks like he could maybe keep Nico for like one year. There's complicated stuff, link keepers and stuff like that. But just as a overall with standard league, you're playing for more touchdowns. Kittle waddle or Kelsey Nico.

[A]

Where is this traded Kittle Waddle for Nico and Kelsey Standard. So it's really about touchdowns.

[B]

I like Kelsey or Kelsey Nico there.

[A]

Yeah, I think I'm there too because it's like I'm just like thinking about the quarterbacks. Like, all right, who's gonna throw more touchdowns? C.J. stroud and Mahomes or Tua and who's the other guy? No, what was it? The other piece? Who was the other piece?

[B]

It was Nico and Kelsey. Kittle waddle.

[A]

Oh yeah. Purdy and Tua. Yeah. Who would throw more touchdowns from the quarterback? Probably take the Mahomes and Stroud side. So I'll take the Kelsey Nico side.

[B]

A lot of stuff in the chat. You Guys rock today, by the way. Shout out to Banshee. Vinci was just like, giving me love because I was. I was being a baby about baseball, saying, enjoyed my baseball all inside. I appreciate you, my friend. Our boy Bunting was also flexing. He had the one. One. Oh, my God, look at this. He got Jamar Chase second round. Drake London third, Brock fourth, Ken Walker fifth, Trayvon Calvin in the sixth, Tet in the seventh, the Lava in the eighth. Get out of here, dude. Get this.

[A]

He's.

[B]

Get this. Not safe for work Draft board off of my timeline here. That's ridiculous, dude. All right, let me try to get a couple other questions. Tracy or Pollard? This is 12 team 2 flex 3 wide receiver. Oh, I guess it's in that same trade market. Pollard over Tracy.

[A]

Yeah, pretty easy.

[B]

Lightning round, Marvin Harrison Jr. And a 20, 26 second round pick for Nico. Full PPR dynasty.

[A]

Yeah, I do it.

[B]

Absolutely. Second round pick, too. I think that's. I think that's beautimus here. So we had a whole lot of conversation just throwing. Oh, okay. Here' here's one. If HN misses week one, do you start Ali or RJ Harvey in standard, Standard scoring. HN doesn't look like he's gonna miss, but if he, if he did, probably.

[A]

Gonna start Ollie Gordon over Harvey. I mean, who else is there? They don't know Ollie Gordon might play 100 of the snaps.

[B]

That's true. They don't have anybody else.

[A]

There's no. Right. Like, I don't know. I don't know who else is on the roster. I can check. No, no, it's fine.

[B]

I mean, I, I shouldn't have rephrased it. Like I said the question. You answered it.

[A]

You did good.

[B]

Lightning round, full ppr. Josh Palmer or Coker in what?

[A]

Like, to start to draft? I think it's because we're getting week one question. So I'm not exactly sure.

[B]

I think this is a to start question.

[A]

Week one, probably Coker.

[B]

Yeah, Coker for me. I'm not. I'm not convinced Palmer is more than the fourth.

[A]

I want to see Palmer week one. I think that's. I think it's. I mean, I think you should. Everyone should have some, like, reservations about new quarterbacks, new receivers in their first games playing together. Yeah. Like, it doesn't just happen from, like day one necessarily, so it's okay to wait and see. Like, it's not the worst thing in the world if a guy on your bench does well because it means, hey, he'll probably. He might do well. Again, very, very true.

[B]

All right, that, that is going to do it, my friends. We appreciate you guys, your pickup things. Join us next week where we are going to be talking all week one. Not Thursday Night Football, but it will be on Thursday football day, 2pm Eastern, right here on the Discord. Be a part of the show. Let's just blow it out. Let's get a bunch of people in here. I love my regulars, but let's get a bunch of people in. You can be live. And by the way, the little thing is you do get this like a day before. And we are also, we've decided, Erickson and I, we're gonna set aside some time after the show, five or ten minutes where we will answer Thursday night questions so we can get people to not ask them during the show because it airs on Friday. But we're gonna spend some extra time with you guys. We always call it the show after the show where we talk bets and we hang. So come and be a part of it. We got a lot of cool stuff on Discord. Erickson's here, Fitzy's here, dbro's here. We got an entirely awesome community with podcasts like this. So go to fantasybros.com chat also the twitch. Be there on Tuesday. Everything over here. We have some videos coming out on YouTube, but it's off. It's Labor Day. But get off of Labor Day and join us for week one, Madden Sim. We're going to take a look at the stats, the lines and then the following week we're going to compare how Madden did versus it. We're going to do that every single week. And then Bogman and I are going to play a couple of the games live with people and we'll also be answering questions. It's going to be a close to two hours, a little under two hours because right after at 2pm Eastern, we're going to be doing a live content draft with all of the content people you know, at Fantasy Pros. We're all going to be on. It's going to be crazy. Hopefully we're going to get a good thing like we talked about with the belt. So just spend some time with us and if you can't make it live, it'll get back on the YouTube as well. And man, that's just the tip of the iceberg. You know, all the tools we've gotten you here. Hopefully you guys are set. Content is going to go nuts next week. We are in in season mode on Fantasy pros and betting pros. So Ericsson I know you're ready. You've been, you've been building up for this. You're probably the most ready of any single person. If people want to know behind the scenes like Ericsson is a machine. It is also why you're like literally my favorite person to do podcasts with. And I'm excited we get to do so many this coming, this coming season again.

[A]

Yeah, man, I am super hyped. I have not gone to the gym this week because I've just been so locked in. It also helped that I did hurt my back last week so I didn't really have a chance to go to the gym. But the back's feeling better. I'm feeling re energized and locked and loaded. Welsh, what time did you say the content Draft is at?

[B]

2Pm Eastern on Tuesday, 2pm Okay.

[A]

I got to make sure I mark that in my calendar so I don't auto draft and and make sure 12pm Eastern.

[B]

So you are able to check out the Madden stream.

[A]

Yeah, got a heckle. The guys as they're drafting or as they're playing the the Madden and I will say you left this some low hanging fruit here again. Talking about the after the extra point two point conversion man. That's, that's the show.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

After the extra point we're going for two where you're going to get all your Thursday night questions answered.

[B]

That's so good. We should literally only do two minutes too so everybody freaks out that even be better. I love that. All right, so yeah, that's what we're gonna do. So it's show. There's show after the show. We're here for you and you guys produce it. So thanks to everybody that hopped in and talked with us. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it on the podcast. We'd love to see you make sure you're subscribed and all this stuff and let's get going. Good luck on your drafts that you got this weekend of whatever's left and let's hit it hard next week for the start of this fantasy football season for the greats. Andrew Erickson, I am Chris Welsh. You guys have a fantastic one. We'll talk to you next time right here on Fantasy Pros.

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