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The Extra Point: Playoff Sit/Start Decisions and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1910)
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Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Hello, friends and welcome in. This is the extra point right here on Fantasy Pros, the fantasy football podcast. I am Chris Welsh, that is Andrew Erickson and I believe we're here for the final time in the regular season because it's Christmas next week, but we are here for your semifinals matchup and we are here with our audience, our live audience on our Fantasy Pros Discord, which you could be a part of because just because the regular season's over doesn't mean that the extra points not going to be back. And it doesn't mean that we don't have a lot of other incredibly great offerings. Go to fantasypros.com chat Sign up today. You can be a part of the community. We've got tons of rooms where people are just talking through anything in sports. Plus we've got these AMAs and they can be podcasts. You never know what the new year is going to have in store. So be a part of the community. Don't miss anything. Another great feature, by the way, is we put all the events that are going on like we have a YouTube over here, we've got a Twitch over here and we put those notifications in Twitch or in the Discord. So it's another way to kind of know what's going on in the Fantasy Pros world. So go to fantasypros.com chat Sign up today and you can come and talk with us, me and Andrew Erickson. What's up, buddy?
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What's up? Welsh semifinals this week. Hopefully we can help the people point them in the right direction. Wish we had Derek Brown on, on the show because that way we ask him all the questions because he was number one in the rankings last week.
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So we did the bit on Saturday Night Live. Did you ever see it with Chris Farley where He's interviewing Paul McCartney's like, you remember when you're on the Beatles, that was awesome. And we'd just be like, hey, Derek, remember when you ranked like really good? It was awesome. Who would you rank this week? Do it again. Who'd you rank?
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Awesome. If you could just do that for the next two Weeks in a row. That would be cool and awesome.
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Be pretty, pretty sweet. It would be shout out to DBRO again, number one in the ranks. I had to send him a text. I know he's not going to be like, oh, yes, bring it. But he's gotta love it a little bit. Give him that love. He deserves that love and you guys deserve that love. And that is why this show is designed around literally talking to you guys. So we're not just like taking your questions, which we do do in like the twitch and the YouTube shows, but we are going to speak to you. So we bring us your non Thursday night football based fantasy questions for the semifinals because I know there are some big ones. Hopefully this is also coming off of the ranks episodes that we did that Erickson, myself and Fitzy did. We will do our best to hook you up. Let's start talking with the people though. Let's get right into it, my friends with Bryce. Sarah Topps, first up on the show for the semifinals. What's up, Bryce?
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Hey, can you guys hear me?
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We got you, man.
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Hey, so I have a couple questions. First, I don't Minnesota matchup kind of scares me. Would you guys roll with dart? Or I could also grab.
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Who is the last one you faded?
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Shuck.
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Shuck is a pretty popular streamer and I'm actually down for the streaming, but not for dart. I don't. I agree with you on the matchup side, but dart, regardless of. Of proto or not, he keeps running and he had like 60 plus rushing yards and he has a lot of equity there. So I'm personally still going dart, but they are closer in ranks. I want to say ECR is like 15 on Dart and Chuck is maybe 20. Erickson, what do you think?
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Yep, that's how I have it too. Darts 15 and Chuck is 19. So rolling with the dart.
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We're darting it.
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Let's.
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What do you got for two?
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So the second one, I got my first running back, but I still need to pick another one of my flex and my choices are Dowdle, Harvey, Carter and DJ Moore.
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Was that the last question, Bryce, or is there another.
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Yes.
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Okay, I'm sorry, just to bring off the stage there, I want to say RJ Harvey.
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Do you want to say RJ Harvey?
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Will you roll with me? Okay.
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Yep. Three down skill set. I believe he practiced in full on Wednesday.
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That's huge.
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Rib injury doesn't seem like it's going to be like super impeding to his type of production. And I just want to put the context behind yes, it is a tough match against the Jaguars, but the Broncos aren't. They're going to score points in some way, some form. So he gets goal line opportunities. He could score a rushing touchdown and he catches passes. So that doesn't even really affect him when it comes to the Jaguars being really tough against running backs as rushers. If he's catching passes out of the backfield, then it doesn't matter how good the Jags are at stopping running backs on the ground. So I think Harvey has the best ceiling floor combination of these guys. We talked about that all on the ranking show. He doesn't have a great matchup against the Bucs. Really good against the run and it's.
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Like very touchdown equity on undoubted.
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Yep. And I, I think that you just who has better chance of scoring a touchdown this week, Dowdle or Harvey? Right. I think it's pretty close. Maybe even lean Harvey because he's evolved through all phases. DJ Moore is like which one are you going to get? Right? Yeah, the one that again we've seen two weeks without a Dunes again. Luther Burden probably not going to play. So I think that makes DJ more. A little bit more viable still packers, you know, I would just roll with Harvey.
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I would too. DJ Moore is very fluky to me. Not bad options by the way. I could stomach going with Rico, but RJ Harvey was the. He was the player.
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I think he's ranked highest too.
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Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think he's like 19. White gamer, premium member of the Fantasy Bros. Discord. Sup?
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What's up guys? How you doing?
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What up, dude? We're doing good. How are you doing?
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Good. Good. I got, I got a few questions. First question I want to ask you guys. This one's pretty, pretty small. I have Higgins on my I.R. t. Higgins and I want to pull him back in because I think he's. I think he could be starting now. My lineup, I have Jefferson, Evans and Juwan Jennings in there and I was.
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Wondering, I know where this is going.
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Should I sit any of them for to add Higgins back? Because I don't think I'm going to start Reed Godwin or Pittman this week.
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So here's the real question. He's saying, do I bench Justin Jefferson for T. Higgins? Justin, Jeff, me and Bogman cannot stop fighting about Justin Jefferson. I refuse to stop fighting. And you know, as he pointed out judge box, I'm into Erickson. Bogman was like, he literally copy and repeated the last two weeks of what you said about Jefferson and I Get it? And he's just like, he's got to do it. Da, da, da. And it's like that's what we've said every single week. And it's like JJ McCarthy is incapable of getting the ball to Justin Jefferson. So I have so little trust in Jefferson, it's not funny. But you are also looking at a wide receiver that's dealing in proto right now and is probably even more susceptible to being knocked out. So what is your take on it? I'm still kind of be honest with you. I'm not sure I would lean T. Higgins, even though I love the matchup. If T got like a full practice in and everything like that, I think I might. But Justin Jefferson has a great matchup. He never gets the ball anymore. Do you have any combined yards? Justin Jefferson has three weeks combined. Take guess a number.
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Is it even 30 yards, 37 yards.
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Combined the last combined the last three weeks?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you did undershoot it a little bit. So what would you do? T. Higgins or Jefferson?
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It's T. Higgins. If he plays, you're playing T. Higgins. He has a dramatically, significantly higher ceiling. Look, even when Carson Wentz was the quarterback for the Vikings and Jefferson was significantly better. Look at his game logs. Even when he was putting up 100 yard games or scoring touchdowns, I think he has zero top eight finishes this year. Zero. Whereas Joe Burrow, dude, this is such an obvious blow up spot for him. Again, get him out of the cold in Cincinnati, all the bad vibes. Everyone's trying to tell that he doesn't like football anymore. You know what I like or you know what Joe Burrow likes to do is throw six touchdowns against the Dolphins in. In Florida. Sunny Florida, nice and warm. I think that he's gonna have a monster game. So I think if T. Higgins plays, you want him to put him in your lineup? Because I think against the Dolphins, I think that Joe Bro could do literally whatever.
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But the scare is he's gonna have fun. Yeah, no, I agree with that. But he'll start to have fun. Finally. He remained in concussion protocol today in limited practice.
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There's a chance he doesn't even play, so.
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And then you have to worry about it. Exactly. What was, what was your next question?
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Yeah, my next question was because, I mean, I'll probably start Baker Mayfield in that area too. And my next question, I won't ask about tonight's game, but in this league, I have one Jackson dart or Brissette. And wide receivers, I have Marvin Harrison Jr. Which I don't know if he's going to play. And Javante Williams, which is iffy as well too. I have Shakir, Godwin, Worthy, Manangai and Singletary in my lineup, so I don't know if I should.
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In your lineup right now?
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No, no, no. I have them on my bench.
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Oh, okay. So what are you asking? You're asking if like Javante and.
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If Marvin Harrison Gervonta don't play, do you think I should pivot to any of those guys I just mentioned? I'm pretty sure Javante's gonna play, so yeah, I wouldn't be worried about it.
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Yeah. And then what was the. In the first part of the court, I would go Brissette over. I'm forgetting the quarterback, but it was easily Brissette to me. Would you play any of those guys over Marvin, even if Marvin's active? I would. I might go Godwin over.
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Harrison, probably. I think I'd probably go more Harrison. I mean, if he comes back and does what he did when he came back the first time and he was, he was having a productive game before he got hurt again. So it's true there's always the injury risk with guys coming back from injuries, but I think you got to keep the context of remember the Cardinals Falcons, Drake London, Marvin Harrison Jr. These teams have nothing to play for. So if the guys are coming back, they're coming back to play football. Right. They're not coming back to like, oh, like, you know, you got to get ramped up for the playoff run. Like the Cardinals Falcons are not going to the playoffs this year and coaches are trying to save their jobs. They're trying to put good tape out there. So if those guys are active, I would expect them to be full go at full capacity again. There's always a chance of re injury, but hey, it's football. Anyone can get injured when you step on the field. So.
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Oh, I member Nick. Nick's in the house. What's up?
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Hey guys, first of all, just thank you for a great year of advice and support.
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Thanks, man.
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Thanks for getting us all to the semis. So I have a few questions for you guys. I'm going to send them in the chat just in case we need to reference players that are in it.
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Cool.
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The first one, I'm trying to decide for my two RV spots and a flex spot and a half PPR league and my options are Henderson, Harvey Tracy, Aaron Jones and Rico. And I know a lot of them are back to back to back to back in people's rankings. So just curious where you'd go in that spot first.
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This is Harvey Henderson, and I'm going to play Aaron Jones in that matchup over Rico. You agree, Erickson?
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Yep.
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Okay. There you go.
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Okay, cool. Thank you. Second one. I know with the whole Miami situation, there's a lot of questions around Waller. I'm wondering for tight end, if you'd go Waller, Strange, Schultz, Loveland, now that, you know, the guys are kind of banged up in the receiving core there. Or Ferg, who I have, but I'm very reluctant to start.
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I think we're gonna probably disagree here, but I am Schultz on this one.
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Bigger. Schultz is my highest ranked guy too. Okay. Look, he's been like, had a solid floor most weeks, and the last week he popped off the thing with Waller and Fitz made a really good point about this, I think on the ranking show where he doesn't play tight end. Really? So this kind of matchup we're chasing against the Bengals, I don't know if it really, like, is relevant to Darren Waller because he doesn't line up in line like a traditional tight end does. And that's where the Bengals have been just like destroyed by fantasy titans. You know, it's interesting. You know who also doesn't line up a lot in line? Who bombed against the Bengals last week? Isaiah Likely and Mark Andrews. Right. So I know they had good weeks a couple weeks ago, and a lot of it still because of the game script, the Ravens didn't throw that much. But that all being said, we're not even like, talking about Darren Waller if he's not facing the Bengals this week, am I right? Especially with yours as the quarterback. And I think that maybe we're just looking at tight end designation by Darren Waller. When you look at his actual deployment for the Dolphins, he's lining up out wide or in the slot like a wide receiver. So are we gung ho about playing the number two wide receiver? I mean, what if it was Nick West Burkinay, like, like moving the line? That's like, we gotta play this guy. With Quinn Ewers as his quarterback against the Bengals, probably not. So Waller, I think of a soured on just a tad. Especially with those other guys. I like, really want to, like, be in all in on Loveland because of the Bears injuries.
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I like him this week, but just not more than Schultz did.
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Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first. There, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. Dude, Schultz is always a tough guy because I feel like he's always in that like back end fantasy territory. A fantasy tight end one. And I don't know like how high his ceiling really is unless he scores a touchdown. But it is the Raiders like shroud should throw a decent amount here. So. And lovely. We did say play the packers already this year and he had like a. He was okay. He scored. So I mean did you look at my rankings at Schultz? I think ECR has Schultz. So I. I don't have enough re. Again, I've gone kind of a long winded answer here with this, but I think it is probably just Schultz.
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Yeah, I think it's Schultz. All right, now you got a couple more. Let's burn through these ones.
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Yeah, these are. These ones are quick, I guess a QB. I have Dakota Burrow and Dart in 4 point passing. Wondering who you'd go with there.
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Burrow for me. Okay, we're both burrow.
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Okay. And then like playing upside, I'm kind of expected to be down by like 10 points or so in projections. Not the projections really mean anything. Wondering if you'd go Dak or McCarthy just for the upside. With matchups being poor versus very good.
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I'd still go Dak because I have zero trust in J.J. mcCarthy. Or do you feel different though, Erickson?
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No, I'm gonna play the guy that is good at quarterback.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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A really, really gross 1. Estimate or Mason if you had to pick between the two. I love this one. This is great.
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I think I might go Mason if I'm being honest with you. Just because I love the matchup and the usage. I'm not sure is estimate gonna get 20 carry. I have no problem going estimate because he's more of like the volume play. But like, are you that confident that SMA is gonna get Welsh?
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You were the. Remember back to last year, right? You were the one that rained on everyone's estimate parade.
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I did, yeah.
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Just destroyed it. He was terrible. So I'm trying to keep that in mind. I just guess for me it's my excited about Jordan Mason. I don't know. I feel like if estimate did get the work, he's facing the jets and they should be so bad.
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Yeah, they've been so bad.
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They've played.
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I just feel weird about the work because they brought in like name Hines and they got whole and stuff like that. I do like that. I don't know if I had it this year. I do have a like absolutely just murder ball a running back every year. Remember it was Carson Steele 2 years ago where it was like I smashed every under on the planet and then I murder balled estimate last year. I don't know if I had that this year though, with someone that I was like, this is so hysterically stupid. I just was stupid. Likely last year. Maybe it's estimate. Yeah, I need to get more like intense about the estimate thing that he's going to be a failure. Let's go to Sam. I am. What's up, Sam?
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Hey, thanks so much, guys. So I'm in a standard league. I'm starting Henderson, but I need another running back and a flex. So I've got Javante Williams, Jawar Jordan, estimate Hampton, and then Michael Wilson is my only wide receiver. So not playing. Ooh.
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Okay, so this is really like Hampton, Javante and Michael Wilson. And you said this was standard.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so we need touchdown equity. Thank you, Sam. I am going to first defer to you. You go first.
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She only needed to, right?
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She needed like a running back and a flex. She did only need two. It is probably Hampton and Javon.
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Yeah, Javante Hampton.
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Okay, but, but, but, but Michael Wilson is like 7 in ACR this week. That equation is definitely quite a bit better than like, you know, a 1617 running back or whatever. But then we. Then we have to pull it back to like touchdown equity. And that's what, that's what does make it tough. I'm really torn on this because I think Michael Wilson's touchdown potential against the Falcons when you know that Brissette is going to throw it 4,000 times, like it's pretty high up there. I mean, this, this decision is made for you. If Javante does not play. Oh, it was Henderson made for you.
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If Marvin Harrison plays and right now it looks like he's leaning towards playing.
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So yeah, it's against Dallas.
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He catches it. What are the odds he catches a touchdown with Marvin Harrison Jr. Also in the lineup? Like not great.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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I mean the two running backs is safer in standard touchdown equity there. You got some good options by the way.
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You got pretty sweet.
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I'm down to that. Sam. Bova. What's up, Bova?
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Hey guys. I put these in the chat too, but in one league I've got Shakira as my third wide receiver and then for a tight end and a flexbot in ppr, I've got Kittle, Waller and Pitts. So if London plays, I put him in over Shakir. And then would you do Waller over Pitts in that scenario or would you still go with pits?
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Both Falcons for me.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I'm pretty anti like Waller in general. It's like heavy. Just only touchdown equity. And you, I don't know what the hell yours is going to be and I do assume London is going to play and I am ranking him as such. All right, number two.
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Two. So I have three wide receivers bots in a PPR semi and I've got. They're all like in the same bucket. Ish for me. Right. So Michael Wilson only If Marv sits. McConkey, London, Mike Evans, Tet and DeVonta Smith.
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Some damn dude. Yeah, I mean I think assuming health, London, Evans and Michael Wilson are my like locks into this. What do you think, Erickson? You feel you feeling a little lad against Dallas over Michael Wilson or a little Tetteroa?
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Yeah, If Marvin Harrison Jr. Plays I would do lad.
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You really think Michael Wilson's going to get hit that hard if Marvin is back? I hate that.
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Yeah, because it. It already happened. Like.
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Like it stop happening.
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It'd be different if we didn't see it happen already, but it did. So I'm not trying to overthink it. Where? Oh well, no, this week it's not going to happen. When we saw it, we have a pretty large sample size of Marvin Harrison Jr. When he's on the field, Michael Wilson doesn't get targeted. And it seems like preposterous considering how good Michael Wilson has been and how many targets he sees. But it's just not the way this offense is operated. When both guys have been on the field, Michael Wilson has been a ghost when Marvin Harrison Jr. Has been active. So if he's back, just. Michael Wilson is a Low confidence play for me, unfortunately.
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And you went McConkey over tetera.
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Oh, Taro is injured right now, so we got to see if he's even going to play.
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But if he's. If he's in.
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Yeah, if he's in, I'll go t Mac over. Okay.
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He is injured.
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Okay. And then that same league, right. So I got. I got Allen and Burrow a Q base. I'm. I'm favored to win. I got good receivers. I got James Cook at RB1, RB2. It's bad. I have Montgomery, McCrosky, Merritt and EST and I was leaning estimate.
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It ain't Bill, I'll tell you that. It ain't Bill. Eileen Montgomery. Maybe I will just lean into hating estimate this week. Erickson, what do you think? Estimate or Montgomery?
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I like estimate estimate.
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All right. I mean, he's the theoretical starter. Yeah, absolutely. I just want to hear like a little bit more about it. I want to hear them talk about the situation, you know, because it's just like they're picking up Hines and Hole's going to be there. They're going to abandon it. Is estimate going to get 12 carries and they're going to see some Hole and then they're going to be ridiculous and throwing Nahim like, I don't know, like I just estimate ain't that good. Ain't that good to deserve the whole thing. So more I'm thinking about it. I think I am going to lean into like super anti estimate as we go. It'll just. It'll vibe for me. I mean, you imagine having your playoff championship hopes on Audric estimate at this point. Idevo.
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What's up, guys? My powerhouse team of high week six weeks in a row came to an end. So that. That one's gone, but luckily have another team still in the playoffs here. All right, need Lex options. This is ppr. So need two of these four guys. Mike Evans, who I assume is definitely going to be it. Devonta Smith, Terry and then A.D. mitchell.
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So Terry, who was after Mike again? I'm sorry. It was Devonta Smith.
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It was. Yeah, Terry and A.D. mitchell.
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And you need one more.
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I need. Well, I need two of the four.
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Well, we did. Mike Evans is. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's not even a. He's not even a question here. So it's. Is this really Terry or Devonta Smith? You feel really good about that.
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Commanders.
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That is the team. Terry McLaurin though, that's the name.
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Eagles.
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That's a defense. Jalen hurts quarterback, though. That's a worry.
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QB2 and ECR this week.
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Not a good passer.
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He's fine. Last week. Perfect passer rating. All right.
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Checkmate. You win. You went on that one. All right. More important than ever. We actually talked about this on one of the streams. Your championships are right around the corner. Your semifinals are here. That doesn't mean it's too late to sync your leagues. And you can sync them with my playbook and get customized advice on how to manage your team. But check this out. Also you can get the reports on the are they playing tool for all of your injured players. Now you don't necessarily have to do that to go to the are they playing tool.
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But.
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What's up?
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Dandy?
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Hello. Can you hear me?
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We got you.
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Awesome. I've got a bit of a two part question here. So if London plays, would you still rate Pitts over Parkinson?
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Well, that's a Thursday question. So that's illegal.
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So.
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But no. So no Thursday questions. How much do you. Let me, let me phrase it differently, Erickson. How much do you like pits with London active?
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B
Not, not very much. Not nearly as much. It's. I talked about this on the prediction show with Worm. You should go back and listen to it. He averages like 7 points per game when Drake. London's healthy. Like it's.
- [26:39]
A
And they, I think they said too that like listen, Pitts was being used as a number one wide receiver. He was getting the Drake London usage. So yeah, I mean I think Pitts is like outside of a top 10 tight end. Like he's a lot closer to the or the fringe guys we were talking about. Like I think I still start him.
- [27:00]
B
I think I'd still start over Parkinson.
- [27:01]
A
What about Lovely?
- [27:03]
B
It's still a good matchup for him. He still has a floor which is pretty solid. But I don't think he's gonna be like a top three guy or top five guy.
- [27:14]
A
What do you like?
- [27:14]
B
Can I ask a. A follow up without.
- [27:18]
A
As long as it's not a Thursday question.
- [27:20]
B
Okay. So let's say Pitts is sitting on my bench tonight and London's out. Would you play him over Tracy?
- [27:29]
A
No, I'd still go with the number one running back. That'd be the play. I'd play the play. There you go, brother. There you go.
- [27:38]
B
I think I was confused by that question. Well, like.
- [27:40]
A
Well, I think. What's up, dude? I think it was like, do we. If London is out, do we think that London. That Pitts is such a great play that you need to play him over? Predominant flex options, you know, I'm saying, like, I think that's where that was going.
- [27:55]
B
Like. Like, I think so. I think I would exchange my answer, then I would try to play pits if London is out. But I'm pretty sure London's playing, so.
- [28:02]
A
Yeah, I do, too. He was practicing. He was like a DMP for four straight weeks. That. That was the one. By the way, Drake, London was the one we were about with. Are they playing tool? Is that London? When you go and look, and it's actually really cool on the tool, you can go look at his, like, practice history, and it's just DMPs for the last month, and he's finally back into practicing games. I think he's going to play, and I've been pretty steadfast. There's no reason for them to press him. So when he's active, he should be good to go. And it looks like the practice schedule is well in his favor. But to that point, like, Kyle Pitts is a monster if London's not there. But I think you don't have much to worry about.
- [28:38]
B
Sorry I mentioned that to you. I mentioned that. Sorry. I just. I just want to say this one last thing. I mentioned it on the prediction show with Worm that Kyle Pitts had a big game last year against the Buccaneers. 91 yards, two touchdowns. Next week, he had one catch for 11 yards. Love it, love it, love it.
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A
Cordy. Sorry, buddy. What you got now?
- [29:00]
B
You guys are good. Hope you're doing well.
- [29:02]
A
Thanks.
- [29:03]
B
I had a question for my RBT. Thank you. So for RB2, I was watching the week 16 predictions with Wormley and Erickson, and I recall Erickson saying Hampton's gonna have a big game against Dallas this week. So I wanted your guys's take on Hampton or Harvey coming up.
- [29:23]
A
What you think, Erickson? How big is that prediction of Hampton vs Harvey? The Harvey injury stuff are being banged up I don't particularly love, but I am. I got to say, I am staring at this and you wonder, like, why there is Such a big discrepancy because Hampton is so good. But the answer to that is Kamani, Fidel. Fidel is just. He's not going away and he's taking usage. It's reminiscent of so many other running back situations. It's like the. I'm trying to think of which one I want to use. Is it like the manang guy and DeAndre Swift one? Is it more of like the two great back system? I mean like Vidal is going to get 10 plus touches. So to me, Hampton is kind of capped at like 15ish. But is that good enough against the Dallas Cowboys to go over what should be the predominant workload for RJ Harvey? But it is a tougher matchup. I'm still leaning RJ Harvey in there because I think his touchdown equity is maybe slightly higher even though it's a better matchup for Hampton. I just think Hampton's going to. Just going to let go of some downs because Vidal has been so good. But what do you think, Erickson? I don't even know who you have higher. And by the way, ECR is 1918 on Harvey and 23 on Hampton.
- [30:38]
B
Yeah. So part of the prediction, because we do these really early in the week, was based on the Quinn Williams wouldn't play. So he's been back at practice. So I don't know if that means he's like officially cleared the concussion protocol. So that matters pretty substantial because Dallas, their run defense hasn't been nearly as bad when he has been part of that defense since they traded for him. So I think that might lean me a little bit more into Harvey like you said, where even though it is kind of like a tougher matchup, the Dallas defense doesn't become nearly as much as a pushover if Quentin Williams is playing. Bedell does have a big role in that offense alongside Hampton. So I think maybe I would have to move Hampton down a couple spots. But I think he can be ultimately hype if Williams doesn't play, fire up Hampton. But if it's the latter, then Harvey's probably like slightly lean.
- [31:30]
A
Was that the only question, Courtney, or did you have another.
- [31:33]
B
Yeah, I had one last question. Sure. So I saw Rice is not planned to practice today, so I've got London and McConkey on my bench. So I mean, obviously it's whether London gets cleared to play. If he does, are you going London or McConkey?
- [31:50]
A
Oh, London. Yeah. Where did you. I put London at six on my ranks. Where did you put American nine, I think.
- [31:57]
B
I mean, he's like, where we're like, top 10, wherever that range.
- [32:01]
A
What would you do if Rice was active and London was active? Who do you have higher?
- [32:06]
B
London.
- [32:07]
A
I see London, Scott. I do the whole thing. Scott, what's up? It's a holidays idiot. My brain. These shows. These shows are like. These are like a really enjoyable listen if you're into me, but, like, if you're not into, like, who I am and, like, how my brain works. And these shows are like, more of a nightmare. So I don't know. You got to unmute, though, Scott. Otherwise I'll just keep talking and I'll just. I'll be worse. All right, three, two, one. Figure it out.
- [32:39]
B
Re.
- [32:39]
A
Raise your hand and I will bring you right back up on the. As the next person.
- [32:42]
B
Willis, can we do or we can do what we'll do? Well, it's first.
- [32:45]
A
Yeah, I already clicked on Willis.
- [32:47]
B
Yeah, get him in here. What's up, Willis? Patrick Willis, you hear me?
- [32:51]
A
What up?
- [32:52]
B
Yes, going on. Kind of have a similar question to the guy before with. With London. London and Michael Wilson. So if London's active and.
- [33:05]
A
Okay, but wait, hold on, hold on. If Harrison is also inactive. If Harrison is inactive. Yeah. And Michael will. I got you. And Michael Wilson's there anything, Ericson? I still have London one. I have London one spot higher, but still.
- [33:24]
B
Like. Yeah, I mean, I'd probably split one. He's better.
- [33:29]
A
Okay, let me ask you that also.
- [33:31]
B
The. Are they playing tool says Harrison's gonna play. So stupid Harrison.
- [33:35]
A
So sick of him. Well, okay, because I was going to ask. Is there Willis, do you have, like, is there somebody else? That could be a question that you could put Wilson in for if Harrison was out. Or is that literally the only, like, wiggle room you've got?
- [33:52]
B
No, I also have Ted. I have them lower. Would put Ted in if he was out.
- [34:01]
A
Are you Michael Wilson with Harrison over Tet or is Tetaroa over Michael Wilson? How you doing that.
- [34:11]
B
In any space? I think you got a downgrade. Michael Wilson significantly like he got. Let's look at his game logs. Let's play a game of which game do you think Marvin Harrison Jr. Was healthy?
- [34:22]
A
I feel like I'm going to be really good at this game.
- [34:26]
B
Oh, yeah. Now this will be fun. So let me just pull up this game logs real quick.
- [34:30]
A
I think I might absolutely destroy this Michael.
- [34:32]
B
Michael Wilson. All right, so let's see. We've got.
- [34:35]
A
So what do I say? Do I say Harrison's active?
- [34:37]
B
Yeah, you got to tell me if he's active or Inactive. Wide receiver. Wide receiver, 3, inactive. Wide receiver, 13.
- [34:46]
A
Inactive.
- [34:48]
B
Wide receiver, 49.
- [34:52]
A
Active.
- [34:54]
B
Correct. Wide receiver 2, inactive. Wide receiver, 17, inactive. Yep.
- [35:02]
A
Could that have been the last five weeks, by the way? Could that have just been the last five weeks you chose?
- [35:06]
B
That's the last five weeks. That's. That was actually even standard, too, so it's a little bit different. So he was actually wide receiver 50 the last time Marvin Harrison Jr. Played. So I just. I get that. So good. But. And trust me, like, I remember, I was not downgrading Wilson enough in that first game. Harrison, you actually, like. Man, they can't put the. The toothpaste back in the tube or whatever that expression is. And then that's exactly what they did. They're like. They're like, we're jamming this toothpaste back up into the tube.
- [35:34]
A
I just. You said, michael Wilson so good. Gang, gang, Gang, gang. Michael Wilson so good. Michael Wilson so good. I can't. You got to get Marvin Harrison out of there for me. But, yeah, it is what it is, because Gannon is trash. Someone said. Yeah, agreed. All right, Scott, we'll bring you back up there. Oh, I see it unmuted. What's up, Scott?
- [35:53]
B
Hey, guys. How you doing?
- [35:54]
A
Good, man. How you doing?
- [35:56]
B
I'm all right. I'm in the PPR league, and I'm having trouble with my second receiver, and I. I need one of these guys. Christian Watson, Justin Jefferson, George Pickens, or Jalen Waddle.
- [36:10]
A
And you need just one correct.
- [36:13]
B
Correct.
- [36:14]
A
George Pickens. And don't even look back.
- [36:17]
B
Yeah, you gotta. You gotta play the upside. Like, Pickens could score the most points this week.
- [36:23]
A
And just.
- [36:24]
B
I get that's what I mean. I get that it's been rough the last couple weeks. I gotta imagine this guy has to have at least one big game left in him before he gets the bag. I mean, I don't know. Did he lose the bag these last two weeks after dogging it out there? So. I don't know. It just. He's got too much upside. You can't. I get it's the Chargers, but I don't think the Chargers have faced a duo like Lamb and Pickens. They're playing at Jerry World in the Dome. Dak usually plays really well after a loss anyway, so I. You just gotta play Pickens.
- [36:54]
A
Let me ask you something. Let me ask you, buddy. Justin Jefferson, does in this magical little world go off? Like, what does that.
- [37:04]
B
What does that mean, though? Like, he gets 100 yards.
- [37:07]
A
He got wide receiver 15, seven catches, 112 yards and a touchdown. Okay, like Bogman says he has to do. What is the narrative around Justin Jefferson next year? What's the narrative? Who is he? Because he is stank. He's cheeks. He's just cheeks. The last month JJ McCarthy doesn't know how to get him the ball, doesn't know how to run an offense that has one of the best players in the universe and then Justin Jefferson goes out smashes this week and then I'll even throw in is mediocre or bad the rest of the season. What is the Justin Jefferson narrative in 2026? Who is he? Top 12 wide receiver, first round pick, second, third, overrated.
- [37:52]
B
He's a, he's a buy low candidate. That's what I think it is going to be. I think that, I mean what he's doing reminds me a lot and again it's been, it doesn't line up timeline wise like it did with some of the other receivers from last year. But Welsh, we were talking about last year, how did Terry start the year with Jaden Daniels? Wasn't great. No, was not great. How was Cortland Sutton with Bo Nix first half of the season? It's pretty bad. Jefferson called J.J. mcCarthy on an interview that he did I think like two weeks ago. And I think this was kind of like a Freudian slippy. They didn't call him a rookie quarterback, which he's not a rookie, but given his experience level, he missed his entire rookie season. How many starts McCarthy made in the NFL? Like 10. So I think this is the classic case of rookie quarterbacks are traditionally bad for their fantasy wide receivers. And we even saw that when Carson Wentz was the quarterback during the Vikings. Like Jefferson was better in those games. And I think it's just a matter of hey, rookie quarterback. Trying to develop chemistry with his number one wide receiver. Hasn't happened in year one. But just the sample size isn't that big. So I think that this isn't a case of Kyler Murray is never going to get Marvin Harrison Jr. Going because neither of those guys, I think, or Marvin Harrison Jr. Wasn't established as one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, which we know Jefferson has the capability and has been at one point the best wide receiver in the NFL. So I would be more optimistic about him in year two with Jefferson as the full time starter. Especially with Jefferson or excuse me, with McCarthy kind of taking some steps forward with some of these matchups over the last couple of games. So I mean, is it going to be this week? It Happens. I don't know. But I mean, eventually he will have a decent game, like you said. And maybe there's this week against the Giants.
- [39:38]
A
I'm just curious. I'm just curious what the narrative is going to turn into when he has a big game. He doesn't. I mean, I will be hilarious if it's not this week and then it's in the championship week against a tougher matchup after he had three weeks of the world's greatest matchups of all time. I just think it's funny at this point. Like, it's. It's hilariously stupid.
- [39:56]
B
Next week, right, because he's got the Giants and the Lions next week, so it's gotta be one of those.
- [40:00]
A
I mean, a month. It's gotta be. It wasn't two.
- [40:03]
B
Two opportunities to ladder bet Justin Jefferson.
- [40:06]
A
Oh, my God.
- [40:07]
B
So, yeah, I mean. I mean, those are gonna be fat payouts.
- [40:10]
A
What are his. What do you think his problem.
- [40:13]
B
Never gonna be lower.
- [40:15]
A
You said that last week. It was like 60 yards. And guess what? Hasn't done it in three straight weeks. But. But that's. That's like my frustration. It's. It's that thing right there. Like, we keep going. Like, we're like, he's just gotta. And it's like, yeah, but he hasn't and he's not. And the. The. The quality of targets are bad, and I don't see a prop up right now. I wanted to see what it looked like and see if you would ladder it, see what you're willing to do.
- [40:39]
B
I will say too, and I thought Warren made a good point with this. The Vikings are out of the playoffs. They're evaluating McCarthy, and they've also talked about we want to get Jefferson a thousand yards. He's got three games left. He's got 832 yards, you imagine. So, like, dude, the targets are there, the air yards are there.
- [40:58]
A
They just need nine more games and they can get it. They're so close. Nine to be extended.
- [41:07]
B
Just like his alter ego. Nine. Nine more games.
- [41:10]
A
Yeah, exactly. Nine more games and you can get him to a thousand yards. You can get 120. All right, I just wanted.
- [41:15]
B
Actually. Okay, actually, to Jefferson's credit, look, we have seen him more than double his yardage output the last.
- [41:25]
A
Okay, so then you know what? 40, 44 is on the docket then.
- [41:29]
B
Tonight because he went from 4 yards. All right, 11 to 22.
- [41:35]
A
So bet the under this week.
- [41:37]
B
And the targets have come up every single or. No, actually, that's not right. No, he did have. He did double his targets last week.
- [41:44]
A
Yeah. Do you double his catches, too?
- [41:47]
B
No, he's stuck at 2. 2 and 2.
- [41:49]
A
2. Just 2. I mean, no one's gonna care. No. No one's on my side with any of this anyway, so who cares? Let's go to X. What does X got for us? X gonna give it to you. Premium member, Fantasy pros, Discord, A plus person, cute dog in the picture, Jobs I love. Justin Jar is defender of him. X, are you coming up? Three, two, one.
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B
Bag.
- [42:14]
A
Sold. Yeah, Re. Ask if you want. Until then, Ronan.
- [42:18]
B
What's that? We had Ronan. No.
- [42:21]
A
Oh, I.
- [42:21]
B
All right.
- [42:22]
A
No, no, hold on. Yeah, yeah, hold on. Ronan.
- [42:24]
B
I. I Devo had this in the chat. I think it's worth throwing out here. Buy, hold, sell the Grinch, Rudolph, Frosty the Snowman.
- [42:34]
A
Oh, say you.
- [42:36]
B
I know where I stand here, but.
- [42:38]
A
Is it Frosty from the creepy, like, 40s cartoon or just, like, natural versions? Okay, much better. So buy. What is it?
- [42:46]
B
Buy, sell, hold, Grinch, Rudolph, Frost. Yeah. Not the other version.
- [42:50]
A
Oh, yeah. I was like, are we. Are we marrying them? Buy. All right, I'm going to buy the Grinch, hold Frosty, and get rid of Rudolph. Rudolph's trash.
- [43:07]
B
What? Rudolph I can't make, so I'm gonna buy Grinch. I will hold Rudolph, sell Frosty. I think Frosty's trash.
- [43:18]
A
So we're both buying. Oh, you think Frosty's trash. What is it about that reindeer?
- [43:23]
B
What does he have to even do with holidays? He's just a snowman that comes to life for a day's birthday.
- [43:28]
A
What does a deer have to do with holidays?
- [43:30]
B
That's. At least they were able to deliver the presents.
- [43:33]
A
With a fake nose, he's like, hey, everybody, I'm Rudolph. No, that's.
- [43:41]
B
Now he teaches you about why bullying is wrong. A lot of life lessons. It's okay to be different. You can rise above that and how you can use your differences to be awesome. So, yeah, I like Rudolph.
- [43:53]
A
It's a great question. I'm glad we. I'm glad we stopped for it. It was a very good one. But we both bought the Grinch, though, because Grinch is elite. All the versions of the Grinch, too, by the way, shout out to the Grinch for being animated.
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B
Good.
- [44:04]
A
And then Jim Carrey.
- [44:05]
B
Good.
- [44:05]
A
Did you see the thing last thing? $20 million Jim Carrey got for that role, and when he found out about the makeup he want, he asked to give the money back because he didn't want to do it. Can you imagine 23 hours of makeup. You can put me. I mean, I guess that's, you know, me saying that because I don't make millions of dollars, but do whatever you want. You imagine like, oh, I don't want the $20 million, because I don't want to be uncomfortable.
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B
Zip it. Ronan.
- [44:32]
A
What's up? Selling. Gentlemen, we're doing great, man. Which one for you? Which one are you buying? Frosty or. No, which one gets sold, Frosty or Rudolph?
- [44:42]
B
Oh, frosty all day.
- [44:45]
A
Oh, right. Okay. I guess I gotta. I gotta do that. All right, What's. What do you got?
- [44:49]
B
A couple quick ones here. Who's the start for the defense? Casey, New Orleans or Philly?
- [44:57]
A
Look at ecr. I think I like Casey. Yeah. Casey is the ranked the highest. Yeah, they're three, Phillies four. New Orleans is five. Okay, so that's pretty size. That was easy enough there. Streaming defenses, baby.
- [45:12]
B
I love when everyone asks, like, now it's the playoffs, it's like, which defense? Which kicker? Haven't asked these questions all year long, but now I'm like, I need to know the exact. And it's a. It's. You know, it adds another element of fun. And I always think about, like, man, why are we not thinking about this throughout the entire season? It's just like. I don't know. I just think it's kind of funny that we, like, get, like, even more into, like. Well, I gotta aim every defense perfectly. But, hey, do whatever. Whatever edge it takes.
- [45:37]
A
Welsh, get that whatever edge. 100%. Let's go back to X, see if X got something for us.
- [45:45]
B
King gonna give it to us.
- [45:46]
A
If X can't give it to us, It looks like not. You gotta accept the invite. We've invited you to the thing. You have to say yes, X, the tang.
- [46:01]
B
Egg boy.
- [46:02]
A
Egg boy. Love me some egg boy. All right, you gotta figure it out, X, and then we'll bring you back up. This is gonna be one of those things where it's gonna be like, the end of the show. Will the. Will we. Com. Convert the. The down. It actually makes it very exciting. So, Polestar. What's up? Microphone's not working. Polestar. Oh, man. Polestar. Just go into your settings and check your audio and then raise your hands and we will try to get you back on. Bobby V. What's up? Bobby V. What's up?
- [46:36]
B
Well, X definitely didn't give it to.
- [46:38]
A
You, but I got a question.
- [46:39]
B
You. Let's hear it, you guys. I kind of came in a little late.
- [46:44]
A
Do you guys talk about we do not Thursday?
- [46:48]
B
No, not Thursday.
- [46:48]
A
Oh, what was the. I'm sorry, then I interrupted you. What was the ask.
- [46:52]
B
Do you guys talk about like Tyler Warren replacements or anything yet?
- [46:55]
A
No, we have not. Is that. Is that the question or you want to be more specific?
- [46:59]
B
Yeah, that's a little bit more specific. I was thinking about riding some Darren Waller there, but with the new QB change, I don't know how everyone feels about that. And then you know, maybe like a Loveland or a Theo Johnson or something like that. What do you think? So Loveland.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I was about to say that's the only one that I like out of that list. Do want to point out the 49ers not great against tight ends right now and a little bit more in the offense that I don't hate, hate Tyler Loveland, but I think Colson. I'm sorry, Tyler Warren, but I think Colson Loveland has like the best upside right now. But you go ahead, Erickson.
- [47:33]
B
Well, no, I think. I think Love is a play. We just got official word like 30 minutes ago. Burton and Odunes, they're both out. So look, this is something. Maybe this is kind of like calling my shot here. But if you look at Loveland's box scores and game logs, it looks a kind of. It looks very similar to Harold Fannin's box scores where it's like 3 for 40, 4 for 40, like consistently hitting a floor and then the minute that one guy misses, he just blows up. Loveland is super talented player. He's a first round. He was picked before Tyler Warren was. So it's a matchup that we've already seen him establish for against the packers, who are kind of reeling a bit on defense, some injuries. Ben Johnson's been in the lab this week with Loveland. Like I feel like this could be a big game for him and he's already established like at worst case 4 for 40. Okay, you can take that. That's not going to kill you. So I think Loveland is one of the top streamers.
- [48:28]
A
I agree. I completely agree. It's a great question. More questions can always be answered over on our Twitch. Check out our full schedule of live streams out of Bounds with me, Bogman and Joe Pizzapia every Monday at 2:00pm Eastern. You guys can watch the show before it airs anywhere else or on the podcast feed. Bogman and I, we have been on. We did like the 12pm Eastern. We moved to 6pm Eastern on Tuesdays doing a two hour, I believe this week, coming week, it's going to be our boy Seth at 12:00pm Eastern who's going to be rocking a Q and A. But we got a Tuesday livestream. Thursdays and Fridays it's our boys Seth and Debro. At 1 and 2pm Eastern we've got like the Thursday night ones and Q&As on Sundays. @ noon right before kickoff. Go and follow Twitch TV fantasypros. Give us a follow. Never miss a stream and ask your questions. Be involved in all the fun stuff. All right, we still time wise it looks like we're ending but we still have a little bit more time. Erickson, you're still.
- [49:23]
B
Good?
- [49:24]
A
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, we got some of the people here but let's see if we can get back to Polestar, see if he's got that fixed. Oh, and then I think we got to go back to X. What's up Polestar? Does your Aw Mike doesn't work still. There's nothing we can do in these spots. But there, there's like an area where you can go and test in the settings. You can go test your audio. You might have to do that. Let's go to X. Let's see if X go and give it to us. Part three. You guys are not accepting. All right, that's third down. X. It's fourth down coming up. If you're going to try it again. So I don't know. There you go. Let's go to egg boy. What's up egg boy? Let's see if eggs gonna give it to you. Can you hear eggs? Got it. I'll just ask the tight end question of all tight end questions this weekend. Next week, I guess Parkinson, Loveland, Warren. Anyone? Like, what do you what are we thinking for you're saying for week 17, I guess for this week and.
- [50:28]
B
Then maybe as a stash for next week.
- [50:29]
A
Too. I can carry two of them.
- [50:30]
B
And I have Warren and yeah, I've Warren already on my team. But it's not looking.
- [50:35]
A
Hot. Yeah, I mean because we don't do the Thursday questions here. Like I think I probably will most likely have park. It's a probably still higher next week I think as well without because I'm assuming Devonte Adams will also not play next week. So that would probably be the overall arching one. But Loveland, I got no. I think those two are super.
- [50:52]
B
Close. Yeah, I know that Parkinson's matchup next week isn't as great is against Atlanta who's been pretty good against tight ends this year. So that's something to kind of keep in mind. Loveland. I mean, I don't think Audunes is coming back and he's playing the 49ers like talking about a game that could get nutty Bears at Niners especially if Loveland comes off a big game against and dude, I want to move Love and up so high in my.
- [51:20]
A
Rankings. Like hell, where do you have him right.
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B
Now? Dude, I like, yeah, I got him at 12 and it's like, like why, why can't I start him over? Hell fan. Like they should see some revolver. You can and he's not one of them's not facing the Bills. I do think hell Fannin is like a legit kind of like a sit this week, to be honest. Like, I feel like there's a lot of better streamers than than him. The Bills matchup is brutal and really the only guy that's beaten the Bills was Mike Gasecki. But he plays slot like he's a glorified slot receiver, not really a tight end. So Fannin concerns me. And then Juwan Johnson kind of seems like he's like set up pretty well too. There's no.
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Bailey. Yeah, I like him.
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Too. He's facing the Jets. Jets are terrible all over their defense, so man, like. And then Gadsden too. I talked about him in the ranking show. I think he's kind of interesting. His matchup sucks next week though. So it's really him. His week 16. I think Juwan Johnson has another good matchup too next week. So he said.
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Parkinson.
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Loveland, I think, dude, I think I'd rather have London than Loveland for the next two weeks. I'm down with that because if he hits against the packers, dude, this could be like, oh, this rookie titan is like breaking out all over the place and you want him in your lineup against the 49ers. So. Did you say the 49ers have been better against tight.
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Ends? No, they have not. Well, when Fred Warner was alive, then they were great, but now they.
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Struggle. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So I, I think Loveland is like the full blown upside play where it's weird, you know, this season it seems like some of these rookies have kind of like FL fallen off where usually we see rookies kind of hit at the end of the season where it's like, oh, it's rookies breaking out. But seems like we got so many early breakouts from these rookies that they kind of like instead hit the rookie wall, which is like not ideal. So maybe Loveland is the one that's like, hey, he is the rookie that breaks out at the end of the season where we saw a lot of guys peak so much earlier. So I think Love is probably the stash guy, and I don't think this week he's like, such a worse play than some of the other guys. I think there's like a. There's a pretty strong, like, streaming tier this particular week now. Easy to say that. And then one guy pops off and the other guys all.
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Suck.
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Yeah. But if you're doing both weeks, I think Loveland probably has the most upside over the next two.
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Games. Egg boy also said waddle or Robinson Wanda, Wandale or.
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Waddle? I'm. I'm terrified of Waddle this.
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Week. Yeah, I go Wandale as well. Picking up our two guys that couldn't get on Polestar said flex question. Aaron Jones or estimate instead of Judkins, Javante or Jennings? Absolutely not. I want Judkins, Javante and Jennings before I want either one of those two guys. And if I was. If I had to have a replacement, it'd be Aaron Jones over.
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Estimate. Yeah. Yes. I would do Aaron Jones over probably. It would probably be Judkins. I'd probably put Aaron Jones in.
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Over. But you would actually do that, or you're saying if you had to, like, you would put Aaron Jones in over Judkins right.
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Now? No, but if this person is convinced, I don't want to start like, gotcha, Jennings, like, Aaron Jones would be the next bet, not estimate to your.
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Point. Gotcha.
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Again. You're the one that is the voice of reason when it comes to Audrey Estimate Again, I'll be fully transparent. It's. This is a shoot for the moon type of play because of the jets matchup. Like, if he's playing any other defense, he's like, not on the radar. But there's no floor when it comes to what kind of usage you get. Like, I know that it's. It's kind of, like, fun to talk about, but I mean, this could theoretically be the taste of Hill game that we thought could happen like, eight weeks ago. Yeah, we're like, oh, we decided to use Tayson Hill a ton this week and screw everyone over that decided to play Audrey Estimate. So, like, that's just something you have to be concerned about. But I think there's a real ceiling with estimate. If he does get the work, it is the jets and they've given up five straight top 10 RB finishes. So there's upside there. But I think he's more of a flex play than like a locked and loaded RB2 to your point about. Let's pump the brakes maybe a.
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Tad. Yeah, I just don't. I just don't trust the volume. Yeah. I just. The volume is not what I don't trust. And then X said Joe Burrow or Brock Purdy 6 point passing touchdown league. And then there's another little side question. And then we'll get our last couple ones and we'll get out of here. Burrow over.
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Purdy. But it's super close, right? I think, I think Burrow is just going to.
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Yeah. You thought he was in dominate and then pick two full ppr. DJ Moore, Reed or Igbuka. So kill one of.
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Them. Kill one of.
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Them. Probably DJ more. I just don't trust DJ more. I put a book up over both of.
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Them. DJ Moore at buka. Who's the last.
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Guy? I gotta go Back to it. D.J. moore. Reed. Jaden.
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Reed. Dude, when. When Fitz dropped that stat that Reed has one game with double digit targets, I almost fell out of my chair. I messaged him after the show because I was like dude, how is this even possible? And I looked it up. You know he had eight catches for 27 yards in that game. I think I. I think I would probably be. But okay. No man, like do you think. Who is a higher. Who do you think has a higher ceiling? More or.
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Reed?
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More.
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Yeah. So then I mean he showed it last week. Yeah, I. I have no problem with.
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That. I think, I think, I think. Yeah. Again, whenever I'm like torn, I always just try to ask myself okay, like which guy has the highest ceiling? Yeah, I live with like I don't care about floors. Like whatever. But more showed last week, two touchdowns and Reed has just been capped in this offense for basically his entire.
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Career. So last couple on the Voice Crown. What's up.
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Crown? Hey, how's it.
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Going?
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Good. So I had kind of like a two phase question. I'm contemplating with Loveland and I mean the odunze and burden that playing DJ Moore over Devontae Smith as my first question. And then my second question is just with the rain on the Thursday night game, the opponent I'm going up against has Matthew Stafford, JSN and Puka. So like I kind of want to hear your takes on the rain game. And then I'm also have Myers as my kicker in that game. Should I drop him and pick up? I can get like Elliot from the Eagles as my.
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Kicker. We both shake our head down. We don't do Thursday questions on here. So we have no opinions on the Thursday games for this show. But on the first part of.
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The question, I would start devonte Smith.
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Over. I would do. Yeah, I.
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Would. Also we can briefly hit on Thursday after we stop recording if you really want.
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To. Yeah, just never while we're recording. 100% Dark Yoda. Last two.
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Here. Hey, guys, I have a three running backs here to start. I got Javante Williams, Bucky Chaser.
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Trivion. Say it again. Bucky Javante, Travion, and.
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Who? Chase. Chase.
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Brown. Oh, I'm. I'm.
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Chasing. I think I'm. I think he said start.
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Three. Oh, so we just set.
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One. Yeah. Is it? Yes. You gotta sit.
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One. So Bucky's in, Chase is.
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In. Or do you want to trade.
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On? I was thinking bench.
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Travion. I think I might bench Chase. I mean, he had to. So many passes.
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Though. Come back to the, like, whole, what is your upside play that you need to do? You know what I'm saying? Like, if you need the upside. Travion Henderson over Chase Brown. Yep. You want core stuff? I probably keep Chase Brown in.
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There. And then the other guy was Javante. So Germante's definitely in. Bucky's definitely.
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In. And if Javante's out because he's hurt, and then your question's already answered. So. So what's your so rank it.
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Then? I mean, right now I have it. Bucky, Javante, Travion. Or excuse me, Bucky Javante, Chase Brown.
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Travion. Yeah. Raveon's last, and that was what we were leaning. Unless you need upside, then get Travion in and maybe bench Chase Brown.
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Boom. Right? I think. Yeah, it sucks. I don't want to bend Travion, but just based on the workload, Chase Brown catches so many passes.
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Yeah. All right, last one. Big Bamsel.
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Bamzel. Just.
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Big. Big.
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B. Just.
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Big. Oh, going one. Oh, there we.
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Go. Hey, guys, can you hear.
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Me? We got you.
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Man. Yep. All right. Thanks for all the help this season, actually, in my championship this week, starting out and are we only playing McBride or Kittle over Bowers? Looking to maybe get like a big swing off someone.
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Else? I mean, technically, I'm saying.
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It.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because we both think London's going to play, and that brings Kyle Pitts down. Yes. But we don't feel great about it. But, you know, he's just like a. Like a floor play. But I just don't know if there's a lot of guys under him that's like, oh, my gosh, this is the big. You know, I'm going to spring for dot, dot, dot. Like, because we know the Bowers is just going to get a lot of volume. I think you have to just plug your nose and put Bowers out.
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There. Right? Yeah. He's also getting Geno back, too. Like, that matters a.
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Lot. Yeah. Gino loves throwing a.
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Million. Yeah. We saw last. We saw the downgrade quarterback last week. I think that was kind of being held against Bowers a little bit where. Well, he had Kenny Pickett as his quarterback. Like, he's a backup. So Gino back, not playing outdoors at Philly again at Houston still, I mean, obviously it's. I want to say better defense, but you're playing indoors. And I mean, Gino's just gonna sling it to Brock Bowers 15 times. I'll take my chance. But. So, I mean, I think early in the week I said like, pits over Bowers, but with Drake London back, I think I'll just go right back to Bowers. Just. He's too good. He's too good of a player, man.
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Like. Yeah. Too healthy. Too healthy, Lois. Too healthy. Too healthy. Bowers. All right, that is it, I think potentially for the year. Oh, by the way, I just don't. I think they said this. I just see Tom Pelissaro reporting as we're recording this. A Dunes A and Burden both rolled out. Officially rolled out. So. But I. I think this is the last, at least for the regular season of the. Of the extra point that we've got for this year. I might be overspeaking. We might be back in some other capacities. But, you know, we're not back next week because it's Christmas week. So hopefully we got you guys covered. You know where to find us in all the other spots, though. We've got tons of live streams on Twitch. We've got the same content. Ericson and I with Fitzy are going to be doing the wide receiver ranks early. Make sure you're following us. Twitch TV fantasy pros over on the YouTube. YouTube.com fantasypros and you're subscribed on the pods. That kind of locks you in. But like we did here today, you want access to some of the community and some of our AMAs. Sign up on the Discord. Fantasypros.com chat we'll take you to the Discord. You can sign up. It's free. There are premium aspects of it that you might need to check out, but you can sign up on the Discord for free. Thank you guys so much for hanging with us. All the great guests, all the great people. We've got to hear your voices and hang out with you. Good luck in those championships and good luck liking Rudolph over Frosty for Ericsson. I'm Welsh. We're out of here.
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