The Extra Point: Rest-Of-Season Evaluations, Tough Weekend Decisions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1813)

Summary

FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast: "The Extra Point: Rest-Of-Season Evaluations, Tough Weekend Decisions, and Chat Q&A" (Ep. 1813)

Date: November 1, 2025
Hosts: Chris Welsh & Andrew Erickson

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Extra Point" centers on navigating the crucial mid-season stretch of fantasy football—addressing trade strategies (with emphasis on Dynasty formats), rest-of-season evaluations, start/sit conundrums, and live audience Q&A. Welsh and Erickson deliver actionable advice through real Discord chat questions, covering specific players' values post-injury, optimal trade thinking, under-the-radar waiver options, and custom roster dilemmas. The hosts keep it insightful and interactive, blending analysis with the show’s trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Halloween Kickoff: Candy and Disappointments

00:32–04:13

• The show opens with quick banter about Halloween favorites and worst trick-or-treat handouts, establishing a lively, personal tone.
• Erickson's take: “My go-to Halloween candy is Reese’s. Chalk pick, probably the one.” [01:31]
• Both joke about weird handouts—fruit, toothbrushes, and hand sanitizer—tying this into the week’s theme of avoiding fantasy “tricks.”

Dynasty Trade Value: Josh Jacobs, Drake London, Navigating Injuries

06:08–09:35

• Josh Jacobs for a 1st in Dynasty?
  • Welsh and Erickson agree a 2025 first is a fair price for Jacobs if competing for a championship. Concerns about the “calf injury” aren't sufficient to sour the deal.
  • “We love collecting picks and rookies, but you still want to try to win at the end of the day.” — Erickson [06:33]
• Drake London’s Rest-of-Season Value
  • Despite London’s recent hip issue and inconsistent QB play, both caution patience.
  • “I have no interest in moving off Drake London…he still can be an alpha WR. Maybe he’s not a top-five guy.” — Erickson [07:56]
  • Welsh points out the logical alternatives are unsatisfying: “I don't even know what it would look like…for me moving off of him.”

Trade Negotiations: When to Walk Away, Running Back Targets

09:44–13:38

• Audience member “BucksMan” can’t line up a fair trade for Chase Brown; hosts stress not to force bad trades.
  • “There comes a point where there's so much push and pull and it doesn’t flow...there are just some trades that won’t happen.” — Erickson [11:14]
• If desperate for RB, try pivoting to Jalen Warren instead—advice rooted in keeping opportunity costs in check.

Dynasty: Dealing With Inactive Leagues and Trade Resistance

13:38–15:54

• Welsh and Erickson vent about inactive dynasty leagues and the dangers of “forcing” trades.
  • “When you force trades, that’s where you start moving a Mecca Egbuka for Chase Brown. I don't want to force the trades.” — Welsh [14:17]
• Stay patient and proactive: “Sometimes the best trades are ones where it’s a no-brainer…if not, better to just stay pat.” — Erickson [15:16]

Start/Sit & Waiver Q&A: Live Discord Chat

Various timestamps (17:26–31:41, see highlights below for specifics)

• Manangai vs. Dowdle: Erickson generally favors starting RBs vs. Bengals, but Welsh likes Dowdle for his passing game upside.
  • “Just play running backs against the Bengals.” — Erickson [17:53]
• Matt Golden, Rashard Smith, Trey Benson, Luther Burden: Dropping fringe WRs for higher-upside options encouraged.
  • “Golden’s gonna be tough to trust…if I can get Benson, just see what that turns into when he comes back from injury, that’s what I want to do.” — Erickson [21:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the struggle of dynasty depth trades:

  • “You could take Achane or Chase and try to get depth, but you’re taking the top off your team...I think I'm trying to win with this instead.” — Welsh [29:25]
  • “I don't always like trading for depth anyway, because usually it’s one or two guys every week that makes you win or lose your lineup.” — Erickson [30:04]

• On targeting trade partners who need a TE:

  • “Don't aim for the running back—aim for the manager who has the worst tight end and then intuitively figure out which running back you can get.” — Erickson [56:15]
  • “This is more of the strategy before the player here.” — Welsh [56:43]

• On waiver wire churn and maximizing value:

  • “Waiver wire is dictated by production…if you can, there’s always a chance you can get him back too.” — Erickson on dropping Pierasol for Worthy [24:46]

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Start/Sit/Trade & Waiver Decision Highlights

Start/Sit Calls (with timestamps)

• Manangai vs. Dowdle vs. Rashard Smith
  17:26–18:58

  • Erickson leans Manangai (RB vs Bengals theory), Welsh prefers Dowdle, especially for potential pass game uptick.

• RB Waiver/Flex Decisions:

  • Rashard Smith vs. Trey Benson (add/drop): Benson preferred if available [19:41]
  • Burden for Golden: Golden’s ceiling called “boom/bust”—but Benson is the better speculative stash.
  • “If I can get Benson just to see what that turns into when he comes back from his injury, that’s what I want to do.” — Erickson [21:15]

• RB Upgrade via Trade — 2026 Dynasty 1.03 for Kyren/Javonte:
  37:51–40:15

  • Hosts prefer Kyren slightly over Javonte due to contract uncertainties—welcoming a trade only if contending.

• Kareem Hunt vs. RJ Harvey on waivers:
  41:22–44:09

  • Debate over dropping Hunt versus Harvey. Erickson: “Who's the most expendable guy? I just think it's still Kareem Hunt.” Welsh hesitant to drop Hunt if Pacheco injury escalates.

Strategy Advice

• Don’t sell elite pieces for “depth” out of fear — top talent wins weeks [29:25–31:41]
• When a trade doesn’t line up, walk away: Some deals just aren’t worth overpaying for positional needs.
• Prioritize managers’ needs for smoother deals: Especially if you can leverage a positional upgrade the other manager craves (i.e., if they need a TE, dangle that, not just your RB).

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• Halloween Opener: 00:32–04:13
• Josh Jacobs Value/Drake London Injury: 06:08–09:35
• Chase Brown Trade Negotiations: 09:44–13:38
• Dynasty Stagnant Trade Markets: 13:38–15:54
• Live Q&A - Start/Sit & Waivers: 17:26–21:15
• Dropping for Worthy/Pierceall: 24:00–26:13
• 1.03 for Kyren/Javonte: 37:51–40:15
• Roster/Upgrade Depth vs. Stars: 29:25–31:41, 41:22–44:09
• Endgame (AJ Brown/Bowers for TE help, closing Q’s): 47:35–51:38

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Audience Q&A — Interesting Rapid Fire (with Timestamps)

• Would you send a first for Garrett Wilson in Dynasty?
  57:22–59:22

  • “I would rather trade the pick for a different wide receiver than Garrett Wilson.” — Erickson

• AJ Brown for Brock Bowers trade idea:
  49:19–50:28

  • An outside-the-box move if desperate for a top TE; “This is probably going to be the last chance to buy low on Bowers.”

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Episode Tone & Closing Thoughts

Laid-back, practical, and sharply candid as always. The episode is packed with direct player takes, but it’s especially rich in trade/waiver process advice—an indispensable listen for fantasy managers navigating tough, mid-season Dynasty and redraft decisions. Erickson and Welsh’s approach stresses patience, finding the right trade partners, and maximizing weekly upside, rather than panic moves or forced “depth” trades.

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Memorable Final Note:
“Someone might put a Justin Fields in your Butterfinger, and nobody wants that, so be careful—and look through your candy.” — Chris Welsh [61:13]

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For more live Q&A and interaction, the hosts encourage joining the FantasyPros Discord community—fantasypros.com/chat.

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Transcript

[Andrew Erickson]

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[Chris Welsh]

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[Andrew Erickson]

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[Chris Welsh]

What's up, friends? And welcome into Fantasy Pros, the fantasy football podcast. This is the Extra Point. I'm Chris Welsh. We got Andrew Erickson in the house where we are live on the Fantasy Pros Discord. Every single week talking to you guys and answering your questions. This is the people show because you guys produce the show. We are just the conduits. You guys are the sheet music and we are the instrument that is all that we are here for to answer your questions. Whether it's week nine or beyond, we're here for you talking about everything except Thursday Night Football and all the awesome or not awesome that it was. Andrew Erickson, happy Halloween in front of you. We did talk about this off air, but we would like you to share because I think this is a good take because I did not look at the comments nor will I look at the comments of the ranked show. When I talked about pineapple pizza and or candy corn, I don't have the stomach to deal with that negativity. I asked you what is your Go to Halloween candy? I think this is going to get you in the good graces of everybody.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. My Go to Halloween candy is Reese's. I think it's the chalk pick, probably the one. If you did a bracket, it's probably the number one seed. That's usually what you see. And you know, I just don't have a contrarian pick when it comes to candy. Right. I just, I think Reese's is good. I was telling you before we started recording, my sister is allergic to peanuts. So growing up, I had to throw out basically like 67% of my Halloween candy because it always had peanuts in it because my sister was highly allergic. So now I'm making up for lost.

[Chris Welsh]

Time, making up for it.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I'm going above and beyond to find peanuts in my candy. Peanut butter and chocolate and all the good stuff that I never really could have that much of as a kid. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

And I guess apologies because this is kind of like chalky very radio. Like, everybody, what's your favorite candy? Halloween. We are doing this here. Let me invert it real quick because it's just top of mind. What's the worst thing you've ever got? Trick or treating. It could be you or you, like, you were with, like, you know, nieces or nephews or whatever. Because I have a. I have an answer. I have a real answer. But can you recall, like, the worst thing back in the day, people give, like, a toothbrush or something? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Andrew Erickson]

You're going to thank me 10 years down the line. Yeah, you better believe it.

[Chris Welsh]

Have you. Can you think of anything?

[Andrew Erickson]

The only time I ever, like, was disappointed. I remember that there was someone that was giving away fruit. And I. I just remember, like, specifically learning in school, like, not to take stuff like that because you're always like, well, there's gonna be razor blades in whatever you have. Which still to this day, I don't know if that's actually true. But I just. I feel like I was growing up, always told, hey, you always gotta check all the candy. You can't have fruit or anything that's open because it could have a razor blade in it.

[Chris Welsh]

And like, here you go. Here's a kumquat. How you like that? Have fun. Mine was. It wasn't me, it was my kids. And this. It was the very first house and Halloween, and the guy only had bottles of hand sanitizer. That was. It is the first house. He was decked out. He had, like, floaties and lights. And we were like, this is going to be a banger first house. And my kids are like, let's go. And we go up and it's a basket of hand sanitizer. And we're like, all right, like, it's cool if you give that, but maybe, like, with some. Nope. It was just hand sanitizer. So that was the most disappointing, probably one we've had. I think that. I think that wins, right? I mean, it was during near, like, Covid time. I guess so.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay. I guess that does make sense. But I feel like I would be more concerned that people would think that it was like, it's. It's candy hand sanitize. So we can drink this or eat this thing.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Andrew Erickson]

That would be obviously problematic being the first house.

[Chris Welsh]

It was more disappointing. So there you go. There's our big Halloween takes here. Hopefully you guys are all safe. Have fun. And you're safe and having fun for week nine. Let's get into our questions. Do want to first remind. Hey, you want more rousing conversations like we just had? I know you do. You guys can join us every single week over on the Discord, where we are live right now, Erickson and I, 2pm Eastern every Thursday. We've got some on the first and third Tuesday of each month at 5pm Eastern. Worm and Fits or Bog and Fits are here for you. This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have podcasts on Discord that you get to hang out with. We've got AMAs, we've got a ton of other rooms. An incredible community. Come and join it today. Fantasypros.com chat fantasypros.com chat Just another outlet for you to get your questions answered, which we have got some hand raised. So let's start getting to it. First up on the show this week, it's our boy Bucks man, who I think was last on the show last week and didn't get on, and we assumed it was a Tez Johnson question, but Bucks man, what's up? What do we got?

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, no.

[Chris Welsh]

It's a bad start. Unmute. Littering and littering and littering and. Oh, you're giving us the video, too. What's up, Bucks? But Bucks, you gotta fix it. Once you get it fixed, let us know. Bucks man, we'll get you back up. He showed us some video, too. That was great. McTunda. Do us right. McTunda.

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, how's it going, guys?

[Chris Welsh]

There we go. What's up, dude?

[Andrew Erickson]

Erickson whatchamacallit bars. Very underrated peanut butter bar.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, whatchamacallit. I thought you were, like, being facetious. Yeah, whatchamacallit, you're actually saying.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yep.

[Chris Welsh]

You know what my favorite candy is? And it doesn't exist anymore. I done, I did this a couple years ago, but Fifth Avenue, Fifth Avenue was incredible. And they just, they're nowhere. They're nowhere to be seen. It's like a much better Butterfinger. Like, Butterfinger is very intrusive. It's all like, like, Fifth Avenue was the best and it just, it's gone. Poof.

[Andrew Erickson]

Sorry.

[Chris Welsh]

Go ahead.

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, no, you're fine. A couple quick questions there. They're actually both a little more Dynasty. I'm in a buying mood there. I just bought Josh Jacobs for a one. Did I. Did I pay too much for Josh Jacobs, or do you think that's about right there if you're going for a championship this year?

[Chris Welsh]

I tend to think that's about the price for like, an Elite running back in a win now mode. But what do you think, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I think that's the going rate, I guess for a player like Josh Jacobs. And he's got a good schedule, scores a bunch of touchdowns, hoping that the calf injury is not anything that is overly concerning. I'm not too concerned about it. So yeah, again, we love collecting picks and rookies, but you still want to try to win at the end of the day. So yeah, go for it.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay. What's number two?

[Andrew Erickson]

Number two is are you worried about Drake London's hip going forward? You know, I've had him all year and you know, it's been quite a roller coaster for him. And then of course the last minute out didn't help. But are you willing to sell Drake London at this point given his injury history and kind of the quarterback play there?

[Chris Welsh]

But before I knock you off here, Mike Dundee, when you say sell, is it like are you willing to sell him out for less or are you talking at cost? Like, what's your perception?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think at cost because I think there are probably still people that want to buy out there, but just more. Are you willing to stick on to Drake London right now or are you willing to move off?

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, I just wanted to make sure I understand your personal take on it before we got to it. What do you think there. Is there any concern with London? I think his perceived value is like a little bit lower than preseason. Right. I mean you thought it could be number one overall in preseason, so I think that's like a no brainer. But what do you think about moving off of him right now knowing his cost is like, you know, probably a little depreciated.

[Andrew Erickson]

I have no interest in moving off of Drake London. You mentioned injury history. Has he really had this like long track record of injuries?

[Chris Welsh]

I don't think so. Not that I recall. I think he had something last year though, didn't he?

[Andrew Erickson]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he played the majority. I'm pretty sure he's. I mean he's had quarterback problems. Like that's true essentially. Basically. It might as well be an injury because it's been. Because it's been tough sledding. I don't know, like I don't remember anything else besides this and it's kind of like popped up kind of out of the blue. So. No, I think that he still can be an alpha wide receiver. Maybe he's not like a top five guy.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, he didn't miss any time last year. So I'M looking.

[Andrew Erickson]

He's still really young. I mean he's like 25 years old. He has 100 catch season, 100 target plus seasons on his resume. Yeah, it hasn't clicked quite yet with all of his quarterbacks, but still believe the Pennix is an upgrade. Again, Pennix has not even started, I don't think like eight NFL games yet or it's like around there. Like he hasn't even played a full NFL season. So I think we can still give him some time. I think that the upside is still there with panic. So no, I don't think I want to try to get off him, especially in a Dynasty context.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, my gut was to say no in general, but yeah, he missed one game in 2023 but didn't miss any time last year. There's questionable quarterback play, but I don't know. He's still kind of the alpha. I don't even know what it would look like to be honest with you, for me moving off of him. Better rate of these guys being able to hold long term as wide receivers. Like you would presumably have to like go and buy a two for one, you know, like a lower running back and lower wide receiver or a higher running. And I don't know what running back I'd want to buy in Dynasty over London. So I think I would hold as well. Let's see if we can get Bucks man back in here. Let's see if it's working.

[Andrew Erickson]

Bucks.

[Chris Welsh]

Yo, I heard you for a second. We hear you. What's up? Bucks man.

[Andrew Erickson]

Thank God. Okay. Sorry guys. How y' all doing?

[Chris Welsh]

What's up, dude? We're doing good. How you doing?

[Andrew Erickson]

Doing well, bro. I just had a question. It's in a. It's in the standard league and I'm trying to get Chase Brown on my team because I absolutely, absolutely need RBQ help. I only have Devonte Williams and then I have Rico Dowdle, Chuba Hubbard and I got Tyrone Tracy. But so he wants one of my receivers. I have Puka Jamar, Chase Igbuka and he wants one of those guys for Chase Brown. I don't want to give it up. He also needs tight end help. I have Trey McBride and Gatson, but he won't take Gatson. So what. How can I get Chase Brown? What's a. What's a good way?

[Chris Welsh]

It's a good question. So trying to get Chase Brown. The guy wants only incredible wide receivers or like a top two overall tight end for Chase Brown. Chase Brown does not have that type of equity right now that's a rock and a hard place because, like, should Gaston get Chase Brown? Probably not. Should the other, like, you got. You don't line up, I guess is where I'm trying to go with it. You don't seem to line up here. I kind of don't think you can get him. If I could move Gadsden, okay, like Gadsden and Jameson Williams, like, I think I. If I could do that. But if he's not willing to bend, I don't think you have players that I would pay down for Chase Brown on. I'm not touching those wide receivers. You could maybe do McBride because you've got depth, but I still don't want to do it. What do you think, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

I agree with you. I think that there comes a point when you're doing these trade negotiations where there's so much push and pull and it becomes. It just doesn't flow the right way. And I think that you're right. Talking about how it doesn't align. Look, there are just some trades that just aren't going to happen. I get that we talk about certain players to try to target, but it's just possible that the way that your teams are set up, it just doesn't line up for you to really land a guy like Chase Brown without overpaying extensively for that player. And then it becomes, well, I just overpay for Chase Brown, which I don't. So I don't think is the right move to make. And Joe Flacco has a shoulder injury. Now, what happens if he misses the games? Not good. Like, just not good for the offense.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, we're not doing. We're not doing Browning. Hell, no.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, it was really, really bad. So that's a concern. So what I would recommend is another player that I kind of view it as similar light to Chase Brown is Jalen Warren. So go with the mindset of, okay, whatever you thought about Chase Brown, go find the Jalen man, Jalen Warren, manager, try to strike up a deal with that person and see if that works maybe a little bit better based on what you each have on your roster. And also use the trade finder tool on part as part of my playbook like that one isn't. Again, that one will give you ideas of like, certain players you want to target, but that one also works with considering the rosters of both teams. And, oh, this team needs this. Your team needs this. So that can help align good partners to trade with where, oh, let's find a deal where both guys can Benefit or both managers can benefit from said trade, whereas this one, it seems like someone's gonna end up losing, someone's gonna end up being left out or frustrated. And those. Those are not really trades that you want to recommend doing.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Because you're kind of locked into Chase Brown, but it just doesn't align. And sometimes that happens. I really like the Jalen Warren pivot. That's probably the way to go. And you know, the other thing is, like, you. You might improve your situation if the team really does move in into RICO this week. Maybe we get more volume out of rico. Maybe he can kind of help save some stuff. We'll. We'll see where it goes. But I. I get. If you're going to trade Egg Buka or Chase or Puka, you. You're. The pool of running backs that you should be swimming in is a lot, is a lot smaller. It shouldn't be that big, deep pool. We're going Chase Brown. It should be like, you know, bichons and CMCs. Like, maybe not a Mecca, but you. You get what I'm saying here? Catalyst. Catalyst is on the line. What you got for us?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, guys, can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

We got you good. Awesome.

[Andrew Erickson]

So, currently sitting number two in Dynasty, trying to compete current running back room, Spears marks, Bucky Henderson. And I lost Scatterboo to injury obviously last week, so that kind of crushed my RV room. I'm just trying to think, like, because my current dicey league, it's not really biting a lot of the trade offers I'm trying to do, like, I'm trying to get cell scatches to hopefully get a back to compete this year. So, like, I guess if I'm not getting any offers, I just continue writing and just hope for the best.

[Chris Welsh]

That's always my take, I hate, but also, like, you know, like Dynasty, I'm a bigger pain in the ass in Dynasty that I think than others because I think there's an advantage that gets. Try to get taken in some spots. I don't like to force trades. Like, when you force trades, I think that's where you start moving like a mech Egg Buka for Chase Brown. Like, I don't want to force the trades. If it's not a trade league, that is. That sucks. You want to improve and stuff like that, but I don't know, you don't want to put yourself in a bad spot by making a really bad move where someone's like, yeah, okay, I'll take him. Scatter. Boo. But all I'm going to give you is cream hunt. Like, I don't want to do, I don't want to do that. And I'm also just not going to force off anything. You be active in talks. I think you continuously throw stuff out in the league. You're fishing, put some lines out there. But I just don't want to force anything. I'd rather stand pat than do a lopsided trade that moves outside of my favor because I have a need. Does that make sense? Where are you at with that, Ericsson?

[Andrew Erickson]

No, I agree with you. Going back to kind of what we talked about with the other trade where things don't align. Trades shouldn't always have to be really, really hard to make and shouldn't always require hours and hours of thinking and how it's going to work out. And both, both, both teams are going to benefit from it. Sometimes the best trades are ones that it's like a no brainer where it's like, oh yeah, this helps you, this helps me. Bang, let's make a trade done. And then you just move on. So if you find yourself not going into those types of trades, then I think that it's probably better to look in the other direction and just be like, no, I think I'm gonna stay pat. Like, I don't think I'm actually improving my roster by doing this and just kind of like playing with the, the hand that you've been dealt.

[Chris Welsh]

It does just suck though, when you're in leagues where just no one is active and no one's willing to respond and no one's willing to do anything like that. And in those, I think you do have to be more proactive on it. I'd highly suggest not telling people why this trade is amazing for them and why the player that you're trading for stinks. But send out offers and say, you know, hey, you could screenshot the trade analyzer with fantasy pros, you could say, hey, this, you know, fantasy pro says this is an even trade. Just want, you could screenshot it sent to them. Just want to get your thoughts on it. Like that's the type of process I would add to just sending out some trade offers to get people to try to be more active. But if they're just not active and they're not willing to do it and everybody wants Jamar Chase, you know, for Tajie Spears, then you're just going to have to roll, man. And I feel your pain. I have a league where I had Cam, Scatterboom, Bucky Irving right now. We, we had four or five backs. It's best ball and we are literally running out one back this week. We had like Roshan deep. Bucky's hurt. Breeze is on a buy and scatter, scatter. Boo's out. We have one running back to run this week in a best ball. We should have drafted more than five but we're, you know, we're in that spot and it sucks. It definitely sucks.

[Andrew Erickson]

I would say if you're really, really, really hurting at running back. Someone that might be out there in dynasty is Elijah Mitchell. He's on the Chiefs and maybe he plays more with Pacheco banged up. So there you go. He's probably out there.

[Chris Welsh]

Trick or treat.

[Andrew Erickson]

I had him in a couple spots.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, maybe. Okay, Cornwall, you're up. What you got?

[Andrew Erickson]

All right. Can you hear me okay?

[Chris Welsh]

Yes. Yes, sir.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay, cool. So I got a couple questions. I think they're pretty fast, but one is a sit start. My last flex spot. It's Manangai, Dowdle Franklin or Brashard Smith. I kind of feel like leaning Manangai because the Bengals defense is so bad, but wanted to get your guys thoughts.

[Chris Welsh]

I know where Erickson's at. Well, I'm, I'm Dowdle here. But you are, you are team and on guy if you listen to the running back episode.

[Andrew Erickson]

Right? Yeah. Just play running backs against the Bengals.

[Chris Welsh]

If Pacheco's officially out, does that change your mind on Burchard Smith at all?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, Rashard Smith was getting solid usage with Pacheco in the lineup. And then last week he just like totally disappeared. He also fumbled which because I bet on him.

[Chris Welsh]

It's because I put money on him.

[Andrew Erickson]

Oh, no. I also did over one and a half receptions and I don't think. I think he had zero. It was.

[Chris Welsh]

That was my bet too. I needed two receptions to cash. Lots of money. That was all that I needed. And Burchard Smith was like, nope, we don't catch balls anymore.

[Andrew Erickson]

This extreme, this minus 200 bet. I'm thinking, oh, this is a layup chalk.

[Chris Welsh]

He had two catches every single game. That's what he's used for. And they're like, nope, we're going to flip, run a couple things. We won't throw you the ball once.

[Andrew Erickson]

That's cool. But no, I just, but I just like, I like the spot for Manangai. I mean, look, even if Dowdle is the lead back this week, it's a terrible matchup for him on the road. The Panthers are down a bunch of offensive linemen. So again I made. I was kind of talking tongue in cheek on the rank show. It's like, yeah, we'll get. We'll get full. We'll get workload. Rico Daddle this week. What's it going to cost? All the efficiency we were getting the last couple weeks?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, maybe. But Rico's. Rico's really good in the passing game, and they decided not to use him there this past week. I think, like, if you're behind and you're like, hey, we have to get the ball into dowdle, I think that might create more of a situation where they're using him in the passing game. They used Chuba there, too. But I like Rico slightly more than Minangai, but they're both in kind of split situations, so that doesn't really help you. But Erickson, I would lean to Erickson when in doubt. What was question number two?

[Andrew Erickson]

So I got some ad drops. So with that said, Rashard Smith has been frustrating, as has been Luther Burden. Would you drop Rashard Smith for Trey Benson and Burden for Golden?

[Chris Welsh]

Is this the last question, by the way, Cornwallis, or do you have another.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, yeah, it's done.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, cool. Thank you. Thanks, brother. Oh, so drop the Ben. I was going to say, no, I'm Prashard Smith, but Benson looks like it's close. It's close. And then there's old side.

[Andrew Erickson]

You drop Burden for Benson. Could you do that?

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, I like that. Yeah. And then hold on to Burchard Smith, regardless of Matt. Matthew Golden. I'm a Matthew Golden, Stan. But dude, like, it's just. There's never going to be volume. He, like, he might have three cool plays, but Christian Watson is there. Romeo Dobbs. Tucker Kraft is a wizard. Like, I love your idea. I'm with your idea.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, it's. It's classic packers wide receiver usage. Right? Nobody's really the number one. I guess it's really Tucker Kraft. And you know who's also coming back? Jane Reed. He's coming back. He's coming back at some point, too, in the second half of the season. So. Yeah. Because he. So, yeah. Golan's gonna be tough to trust. It's one of those things where, like, you're in a pinch. Hey, I need a receiver with upside this week. All the packers kind of fall into that category, but are they going to be consistent? No. And I think with golden, he had his opportunity, right, with all these injuries to really kind of take the number one job and be the guy. And he was okay. He had moments, like you said, but he didn't really okay, I'm the alpha in this offense now and that wasn't really profile coming out of Texas, so definitely a little bit more of a boom bus receiver. He has upside on a week to week basis but the consistency is not really there. So yeah, if I can get Benson just kind of see what that turns into when he comes back from his injury, that's what I want to do.

[Chris Welsh]

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[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, what's up guys?

[Chris Welsh]

What up dude?

[Andrew Erickson]

Just a couple questions here. So are we out on Pierce all if Worthy is pickupable on waivers?

[Chris Welsh]

Oh that's a good question. Worthy's there. It would cost Pierasol. What say you?

[Andrew Erickson]

I would drop here. So yeah, he's my last my six wide receiver. What do you think? Yeah, I just don't know when Pierce is ever going to come back. Yeah, like he didn't practice again yesterday.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I don't. He's not playing this week. That's without question. But him and when him and Purdy are back, he's the unquestioned number one on that team. Like when that happens, Worthy is at best the number two on that team. But I think there's too many questions I'm fine with doing. If Xavier was a two man league, was it ten man?

[Andrew Erickson]

Ten man. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. So if Worthy's on the wire you could probably drop pierasol. You could probably play Worthy more right now. But. But I do think like this can change in a week or two. What did you say Erickson? Are you good with that move?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, I'm good with that move Again. Remember the waiver wire is dictated usually by production. So that's what's going to cause the most guys to get added. And dropped Pierce all if he's injured, he's not producing. So if you can there's always a chance you could get him back too. Yeah, that's kind of how I was feeling too. Yeah, like there's always a chance you could go get get him back. If we find out okay, he's practicing. Okay then I mean nothing can. No one is preventing you from. You can pick up Worthy this week, drop your soul next week, drop Worthy, pick yourself back up. Right. Like that's totally fine if that's kind of the way the things are moving. And you know that there's still not a lot of hype with Piercel just because he's not doing anything. So I think yeah for this week especially because Worthy's playing in a high scoring game, he could pop off. You could sell Worthy if He goes for 100 yards in a touchdown and then just pick pure sell up.

[Chris Welsh]

Let me ask you this though real quick, Erickson. Now if. If he picks up worthy and he's not going to play worthy at all, does this change your thought process of thinking like, well, worthy is not even going to play regardless this week and maybe next week, does that change to saying, hey, listen, if I have to. If I'm not going to even think about a guy for let's say three weeks, I want purasol over him or do you just still go with what you said?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think he's still pick up worthy just because his value can actually increase this week. Right. She could just have a big game, you catch a long touchdown and then you could trade him. Right. So whereas Pierce, all that's not going to happen. We don't even know if Purdy's playing. And Ayuk is also coming back at some point too. So.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, that's true.

[Andrew Erickson]

Question mark is coming also. I think the 49ers have like a bye week come or actually another bye week's not for a couple months late. So. Yeah, just also the Chiefs have a bye week after this week, I believe as well, so. Oh, okay. Keep. Keep that in mind too.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. What was question number two?

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay. And then I was trying to. Trying to figure out how to upgrade running back and I was thinking about.

[Chris Welsh]

Pairing up Dobbins and. And Tet for.

[Andrew Erickson]

I don't know if Henry. If that's too much to get. Try to get Henry or. Or James Cook. I don't know if either of those two names.

[Chris Welsh]

If that's in the wheelhouse. I don't think you can get James Cook, but I do think Henry's a possibility. I mean, that's a pretty fair trade offer by the way. I feel like we get a lot of people that will come in and the offers were just like, oh, like if you can make that happen, cool. If a guy needs a wide receiver getting Dobbins. Dobbins is a teensy type of running back with a wide receiver to pseudo wide receiver.

[Andrew Erickson]

3.

[Chris Welsh]

I don't think it's a bad move if people have depth. I just feel like it's out of pocket to even think you're going to get James Cook. Maybe you could get Henry, but maybe you feel different.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think you can try it just hard to trade for guys if they rush for 200 yards. Right. And so that's. That's a tough.

[Chris Welsh]

Do you think Henry and Cooker different gap?

[Andrew Erickson]

It depends on what The Henry manager thinks with Lamar back. Right. I think that matters. So I mean I would think I'd rather have Cook rest of season. Henry agreed, but I don't think it's by like a significant mark. Like I think that Henry's like probably pretty close to him in the rest of season rankings. I do agree that this is a good strategy though to use Dobbins another piece to move up a running back tier whether that's Henry, whether that's Cook. So yeah, shoot for Cook. If it doesn't work, settle for Henry I guess is the way I would.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, good way to end that because I think at the end of the day, regardless of what we're saying, just try it. I think it's, it's a, it's a strong offer. It's not an offensive offer. I think it's very reasonable. Worse they do is say no, but you can field it and if they if clicked, accept. I think it's a win for you on both sides. So I go put it out there. I like what you were doing there, Jorge. Jorge's up. Premium member on Fantasy Pros Discord fantasybros.com chat what's up Jorge?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, how's it going guys? Good. A few questions. So one of the things I'll paste my, my roster into the chat here. So this is a 12 man PPR league. Start off 2 and 2. I'm now 3 and 5. I had, I've had Bucky which has been unfortunate because he's been out for the last four weeks on a buy this week. Chase has really shown up and I have a champ which has been helpful. But where I'm trying to figure out is this seems to be like a must win set of weeks seven and seven seems to be enough given the tiebreakers. But I've got, you know, Bucky still on ir. He might be out potentially for the season. We don't know yet. And Chase is on by next week. Would you consider shopping those guys around to try to build some depth here to potentially make a playoff run? And I don't want to. Chase has a great playoff schedule, but I don't want to also assume that I'm going to make the playoffs. Then he just sits on, you know, he doesn't make it to the playoffs effectively. How would you guys think about copying Bucky or Chase around? Or do you think this is a lineup that's good enough to make it make the playoffs?

[Chris Welsh]

I mean, I don't know where you're at with this, Ericsson. I just don't think you can trade Bucky for much of anything. And I think he's got stars. He's got a Chan as his top running back. Chase is his top wide receiver. And unfortunately, I think that's really the only trade value you have. Like QJ is kind of disappearing. Pollard is in stink mode. And I guess I look at this and I go, you could take a channer Chase and try to get depth, but you're taking the top off of your team. And if Bucky comes back, you're okay. I think I'm trying to, I think I'm trying to win with this instead of consolidating, but it's a do or die situation. So you tell me different.

[Andrew Erickson]

I will not tell you different. Okay. I think that this is the roster you kind of have to go to bat with. I don't always like trading for depth anyway because we all know it. Usually it's one or two guys every week that makes you either win or lose your lineup. Right. It's the couple guys that totally smash. And you have Chase, who falls in that category. Devonte Adams can have monster games a chance. So you have enough home run hitters. And when Bucky comes back, you know, I think that Bucky's probably the, the piece that you're looking to trade because there's still a lot of question marks about.

[Chris Welsh]

There's no value.

[Andrew Erickson]

We can say that, but we really don't know. Like, injured players are definitely, when I do the rest season rankings, like, they're the hardest people to rank totally. Because honestly most of the time I just don't move them because I'm like, I don't know to move them up or move them down. Like, I, I think I feel like I move them up a little bit as we get closer to them finally returning. But then obviously once they return, we see their, their value trade pretty substantially. So, I mean, I'd say shot Bucky worst. I mean, worst thing you do is you get a low ball offer, you just reject it. So I, I think that that's fine. I mean, Bucky for Jalen Warren's got a great schedule rest of season.

[Chris Welsh]

I don't think the Jalen Warren person does it.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay.

[Chris Welsh]

If they could, they would. And, but, but at the end of the day, Jorge, we, we bug because I saw you, you disappeared and came back. I just don't think your roster, you, you should move off of your elite pieces to consolidate because I think those are the guys that can carry you and you're just going to have to cross your fingers. And like Erickson said, if you can dangle Bucky and get something, I think that's the way to go. Did you have another question?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. So. So then I guess, you know, coming on the horse I rode on then for the rest of the season, so, you know, I got. Unfortunately, I dropped Shakir for Mooney, assuming that London being out was going to be helpful. That lost me the week, unfortunately. So at this point, like, who's. Who is Q.J. like, the better flex, do you think? Or should I rely on, like, a Pollard, a Sharps or a Spears? And then I'm assuming that K9 is going to be my RB2. Like, I've been burned by him repeatedly. I'm just trying to think, like, if you have gun to your head, you got to. You got to win this week. Who are effectively your RB2 and your Flex in this case?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, that's a good question. We're both very out on QJ right now. It's tough to say. I would say canine Ken walker is your RB2 and what are you doing? Yeah, I was gonna say, would you do Charbonne at Flex?

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, think about it, like, if they combine for 35 points, do you care which one does what? No, you get both.

[Chris Welsh]

And QJ's putting up donuts right now with Gadson out there.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think that gets you. I mean, the Seahawks are favorites. I get there on the road, but they're playing the commanders. They're not afraid of their defense. We know Seattle loves to run the football, and you can get all the efficiency from Walker, get all the touchdowns from Charbonnet, and you have a wonderful Sunday Night Football game that you're not tilting because you get the points no matter what. So I think that's a pretty safe approach. I mean, I guess, like, maybe Spears, like, there's a chance that Pollard is, like, inactive this week because he could get traded. So I would keep that kind of, like, stashed in the back pocket just in case the Spears has a full workload. Then he would obviously be the play. But good. Just. I'll roll up both Seahawks running backs. Chances are one of them is going to, like, these do decently well, and I think the other one at least will do something to give you a floor.

[Chris Welsh]

And he said, should I drop QJ for someone else, then next week would chase out. Yeah, if there's guys, absolutely. I think QJ is in droppable range right now, depending who's available in your league. So, you know, we don't know who that is, but you can also sync up and you can get the, the tools to tell you the players that you need to be jumping on if we're not around. Ronan. Also premium member on our discord. What's up Ronan?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, gentlemen. Happy Halloween.

[Chris Welsh]

Happy Halloween to you too, buddy. What's, what's the, what's the good word today?

[Andrew Erickson]

Just a two parter here. Would you take Dobbs or Sutton for your last wide receiver spot? Sutton. Okay, okay. And for. I have two flex spots to fill. So with that case, would you start Dobbs, Charbonnet, ETN or Gadson?

[Chris Welsh]

And we got to do two.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Welsh]

Half ppr, half ppr. Sharbs, Dobbs, Gadsden and who's the other one? It was a good one, wasn't it?

[Andrew Erickson]

Rona Keeper. The other.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, Rona, sorry I got you off. What was the other. Yeah, oh etn. Yeah, yeah. So ETN and, oh, ETN and Gadston. I said this on the tight end show. Yeah. That like the top tight ends, or maybe I did this on. In this league, the top tight ends, I think they're like no doubt like flexi guys and that's, you know, Kittle and Bowers and McBride. If you were to somehow have like two or they're a viable flex, put them in, they perform it like wide receiver, two ranges. Gadson's in an interesting spot where he's not quite them, but he's a tier of his own. But like I'll take him, I'll take Gadson over Dobbs. I think they're going to perform. Dobbs needs two touchdowns to be good. He needs a touchdown equity there. I think Gadson's been a monster. So yeah, it's Gadson and it's definitely ETN's a no brainer. Right.

[Andrew Erickson]

So him over Charbonnet, Gadsden.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I think so.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, no, not Gats. No Gatson. We agree.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, ETN over Charbonnet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

ETN over. So I have Charbonnet over etn.

[Chris Welsh]

So you're gonna say Charbonnet and Gadson then?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think so. I mean I, I again I have ETN and Charbonnet rank back to back. So I'm, I'm, I'm pretty indifferent. I'm trying to see what ECR has.

[Chris Welsh]

ECR has Travis ETN at 17 and it has Charbonnet at 28.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah. So I think. You think probably ETN's probably the safe play. I guess I'm just concerned about what we see. This offense look like out of the bye week with essentially baseball two in more involved. True. But that being said, Charbonnet has Ken Walker who's fully involved. So I think I could probably move. I'll probably move ETN up a spot. So yeah, go with etn.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay, there we go. We now we down with that. Before we get to another let's let's tell you about stuff. Let's tell you about Twitch because we've got a fantasy pros Twitch that's here for you all week long. Twitch TV Fantasypros. Come and hang out with us and you can do it almost all week long. Mondays you can hang out with me Bogman and Pizza Pia for out of bounds 2:00pm Eastern where we are very interactive show kind of like this one going through everything that happened throughout the week. Boggs and myself. Sometimes Seth is in there as well filling in for me. We do the q and a 12pm Eastern on Tuesdays and then if we do a second hour we'll play some Madden while answering questions which has been fun. Thursdays and Fridays at 1 and 2pm Eastern. Catch Seth and Dbro both of those times and then we got you for a Sunday Q and A on noon Eastern every single Sunday right before kickoff. Get hooked up with it, head over to Twitch TV FantasyPros. Give us a follow and you won't miss any of our streams and you can come and hang out with us, interact in another way to talk with us, be around, build some community. Twitch TV Fantasy pros. All right, back to it. Ribs and cheese. What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

What's up guys? A quick start sit and a trade question. Standard scoring. Couple guys with good matchups. Bam Knight or Manangai?

[Chris Welsh]

Ooh, Bam Knight. I have higher and I think you do too, Erickson.

[Andrew Erickson]

Gotta go Bam. What is it? Viva la Bam.

[Chris Welsh]

Let's go Bam. Bam. We're going with Bam.

[Andrew Erickson]

All right, perfect. And then I know we're lower on this 26 class and dynasty. I have another guy's pick that's looking like it's going to be the 103. So it's pretty high pick even though it's bad class to Upgrade wide running back 2. Would you give up a 103 for either Javante Williams or Kyren? And which one of those would you prioritize?

[Chris Welsh]

Who is the second one?

[Andrew Erickson]

Kyron Williams.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, Kyron. Okay, so Kyron or Javante for the third pick in the upcoming first round dynasty draft.

[Andrew Erickson]

I can't weigh in on this 2026 class so I can't so but based on the information that if it's not good or we are, we're down on the class as a whole. If I'm picking between Kyron and Javante. The thing is Javante doesn't have a contract so I know what team he's on next year. So like, that's hard for me to fork over a future first when I don't know what team he's even gonna be on next year. Whereas Kyron, he's on the ramps. Like they paid him like, and feel like he's got a pretty high floor. So I guess it would be Kyron. I gotta be honest, I don't really love either deal to be told. Like, just be honest. But I think I probably pick Kyron.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I'm trying to look at some of the. I just pulled up a random thing. I mean, we're probably not the best for that dynasty front. That's a Fitzy and them question. Yeah, I mean Jordan Tyson is like at the top of the class for wide receivers, but yeah, I'm looking through. I agree. The running backs and wide receivers, there's not anything that's blowing the doors off situationally. Things could change. But I mean, I don't know, dude, you get a top 12 running back if you can get Kyron for it. And if you're in win now mode. This is a classic. Flags fly forever. I really would want Tyson with asu, but I don't know if I'm beating the doors down on anybody else. I personally think I might do it, but you know, Skin Bogman and Fitzy, they might, they might feel a little bit different. You know, they're definitely more in tune. But you're looking at. I just pulled up another random one. Jeremiah Love, Tyson. And then it's like Lemon or Boston from Washington, Jonah Coleman from what? Yeah, I think the top two picks are the place you want to be. And then it's. So yeah, I'm going to say yes on this.

[Andrew Erickson]

And you said Kyren or Javante.

[Chris Welsh]

I think I want Kyron. Did you agree with that? You want Kyron?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, yeah. It's just because I don't know what team Javante is going to be on. Yeah, because he's gonna be a free agent.

[Chris Welsh]

So that I'd imagine the Cowboys probably want to re sign him up.

[Andrew Erickson]

But the Cowboys want no running backs. They're going to just pick up. They're going to get you a Hubbard as a running back next year.

[Chris Welsh]

Totally. That would be funny. All right, Iggy, I bring back Rico Actually wouldn't hate that. What's up, Iggy?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey guys, can you hear me?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, we gotcha. What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

So two questions to that's okay, one's a start. Set one is just roster advice. So I'm pretty cooked at running back right now. I lost Scatteroo, Hampton and Benson. Right now I have Knight, Dowdle, RJ stashing Davis in case of the Breeze hall trade.

[Chris Welsh]

Love it.

[Andrew Erickson]

And I just picked up Hunt just in case Pacheco's out longer term. Somebody just dropped Rashad White. I'm hearing that there's some question around whether or not Bucky's going to be coming back soon. Who's the drop here? If I want to make a move for Rashad White, in case there is some, you know, long term injury to, to Bucky.

[Chris Welsh]

Actually you're going to hate this. I think it's Harvey. I don't think you can cut Kareem Hunt because I think Kareem Hunt. Yeah, I think I'm starting him this week. I'm not cutting Dowdle. I did. I mean, I, I'm. I fall for gifts. Breeze hall, put that gif out. I. I think I have to prioritize keeping isaiah Davis over R.J. harvey right now. And you got to get Rashad White. So I am cutting Harvey for him. What do you think, Erickson?

[Andrew Erickson]

I think I would cut Han, even though he can.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay.

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, well, let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. If hunted already, if Rashad White had already been on the waiver wire, who would have you picked up first? Hunt or White?

[Chris Welsh]

I guess. Okay.

[Andrew Erickson]

I mean, if they had both been available at the same time, I pick up Rashad White, I would have picked up a shy White too. So that's what you should like. Yeah, I get like you wanna, you want Hunt. But look, okay, but like he's touchdown dependent and if you don't need to play him this week, like that's another thing that plays a factor. Like you need like I, I don't have any choice. Like, if you need to prioritize this week, then okay, you got to keep Hunt. But long term, Rashad White has way more, I think has more upside.

[Chris Welsh]

So then let me ask you this though. RJ Harvey's only path is JK Dobbins getting hurt. I don't even think that's a question anymore. Yeah, and I don't think that's a question anymore that we like, he had that huge awesome game against a bad team. He could do that. But his Only path to excellence is Dobbins being out because he had to have scored the three touchdowns. He'll never get volume over Dobbins. Maybe I'll be wrong. I don't think that is changing this year without injury. So you do, Erickson. You believe it's more important to side on Harvey's talent. If Dobbins get hurt. Gets hurt than I guess it's sacrificing like a Kareem Hunt. You think that's. That weighs over like if Pacheco misses time and Kareem Hunt's more the guy in touchdown equity. Like you're holding on to the Harvey thing.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes, okay.

[Chris Welsh]

I do all that. You're like, yes, okay. Looking for.

[Andrew Erickson]

Well, no, no. I mean, you make a really good. No, but I just. Who is the Denver Broncos starting running back week 15, 16, 17. How confident are you that it's going to be.

[Chris Welsh]

I'm a thousand percent JK Dobbins. It is him. If he is not in, it's only injured. It's like Brian Robinson at rj. I mean, to. To the credit, RJ Harvey does get evolved a little bit more in the pass game and stuff like that. Yeah, no, he was awesome last week because they could all. They could do whatever they wanted. They. They were doing whatever they wanted. But he'll never have volume. It's not saying he can't have some value, but he'll never have the volume workload.

[Andrew Erickson]

Like, it's just.

[Chris Welsh]

He'll never overtake Dobbins. Dobbins been too good.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, no, I agree. Like, Dobbins has been very, very, very effective this year. And while he's healthy, he's definitely the. The lead back in this. In the Broncos backfield. I just think that who's the most expendable guy? I just think it's still Cream Hunt. Right? Again, we like Cream Hunt because of the role he has, not because we are obsessed. Oh, he's so talented. That's. That's not the reason why we like Kareem Hunt is like, hey, I need a guy to play this week. He can fit. The role versus Harvey has insane upside, which we saw last week when he scored three touchdowns. Right. So I don't want to. I can't how that feels like bad process. I'm gonna drop a guy after you score three touchdowns.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, no, I get the logic of that. But also like, if there's no Pacheco and cream hunt gets 15 touches a game and Burchard Smith is getting 10, every single red zone carry is going In a chief's offense Supreme Hunt. And he's going to score. He's going to be like, James Cook wasn't a couple of years ago where he scored a million touchdowns and no yards. That'll just be cream Hunt. He'll have like 13 carries, 40 yards and two touchdowns every single game. That'll be good. So that's why I have a hard time cutting Kareem Hunt in this Pacheco stuff. But this is a glut of richesicky. Like, there's like a bunch of dudes that you've got a bunch of, like, interesting cool guys. And to think that Rashad White's sitting out there, like, at the end of the day, you kind of can't like, screw this up, to be honest.

[Andrew Erickson]

So maybe I could toss another question. I have Kincaid and Bowers. Could I maybe drop. Kincaid.

[Chris Welsh]

Kincaid. Bye. Bye.

[Andrew Erickson]

Bye.

[Chris Welsh]

Bye. You made the whole thing easy.

[Andrew Erickson]

Bye. Bye. Yeah, I was gonna say so much time. I'm so sorry.

[Chris Welsh]

No, no. You know, it's good to talk about the Harvey thing, though. I think I'm. That's why I wanted to do that. And I pressed it, but absolutely. Kincaid can kick rocks in this. But it's good that we talked about the Harvey stuff. Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

I only had him because Bauer's been hurt this whole time, but fair enough. But. Yeah, and then second question. I guess I have more than fun, you know, But I'm starting. Bam. Knight against Dallas, Dowdle against Green Bay. I have Hunt on the bench. Who should I really be starting? Because I like the matchup with Hunt and Knight by no doubt, it was a better player.

[Chris Welsh]

I think. I think I can even speak for Erickson. But you tell me otherwise. If Pacheco is out, Kareem Hunt's the start over. Dowdle over.

[Andrew Erickson]

Doubt. Okay. Yeah. I mean, most. You were waxing poetic about Korean hunters just a couple minutes ago. And I. I mean, I agree. For this specific spot, Pacheco's probably not going to play. Yeah, I think that. Yeah. Again, I just have a bad feeling that Dowdle is going to get the usage and he's not going to score fantasy points because it's just a tough. It's a tough spot for him. And we still don't know what the receiving is. Right. Like, they've been using Hubbard more in the receiving role. And even if Dal wasn't seeing the majority of carries. Well, does that change if they're down by 14 points? Like, who's in the game? And I know that you think that that's possible and I don't think the Dowdle is a zero in the passing game. So maybe that is where he does see his boosted role which would be obviously great. But that is definitely more of a projection than, you know, fact because that has not been the fact when these guys have both been healthy. Dowdle really hasn't been used.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I'm sighting on Dowdle but if I have a Kareem Hunt without Pacheco, I'm going to play him and Bam Knight is there's nobody. So like there's, there's volume, theoretical volume for him pretty to be the guy and Kareem Hunt, I'll take the touch on equity but I am like believer ish that we are going to see Marico Dottle this week. But as you said, it's like it almost couldn't be a worse matchup. That's what makes it tough. Good question. Good breakdowns here. A couple more idevo, what's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

What you got?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, we got you.

[Andrew Erickson]

Perfect. Cool. I'm gonna drop the roster in the chat, just have a question and really kind of more just pick your guys's brain on what's your thoughts of priority for tight end if you're just kind of struggling. I picked up Loveland for this week off your guys's advice. So you know, hopefully that goes good over Hawk. But should I be looking to move somebody to try to get a bigger tight end or should I kind of just stick with what I'm going at? I'm currently 4 and 4 PBR12 team and like last week I lost because I had A.J. brown and Nico out. So like that was. It's just gonna happen.

[Chris Welsh]

But that stinks.

[Andrew Erickson]

If I should stick with the pieces because on paper I feel like my team looks solid but I keep just dropping some losses and having like Hawk drop like six points on my.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, Hawk sucks. It sucks that he sucks. It's a good question. So his team, he's got running back Gibbs and Henry and then on the bench you've got Manangai, Mason, Benson. So adepts a little questionable but you know you can work with it. Wide receivers Nico Brown, Tedro, Alave, Worthy and then Loveland and Hawkinson. So I kind of agree. I think this team kind of does the business. I don't think I'd want to trade from depth to upgrade tight end though if Worthy could get me something up there I would consider him because I'm. I'm just down in general just because I think Rashid. Rashid Rice is a monster I could go to war with Nico Brown, Tedro and Olave, but then there's some injury history. So if I would entertain the upgrade at tight end, it would be worthy and I'd really be trying to, you know, you're trying to sneak, I think like a kiddle off of a team or something like that. But what do you think, Erickson? What would, what do you. What's your take on this team?

[Andrew Erickson]

Can you pull off A.J. brown for Brock Bowers?

[Chris Welsh]

I bet you can't, but it's a good question. It's worth trying. I just don't think you can. I mean, he just was injured and he's had a season long of garbage and then a couple good games. Bowers have been hurt.

[Andrew Erickson]

Who are you describing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

Wait, and then there's A.J. brown. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

I feel like they're kind of the Spider man meme a little bit. Right?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Erickson]

Kind of open, banked up. I mean, Brown's played more games obviously, but again, if you're like kind of like looking at tight end specifically, I mean, look, A.J. brown, it's a bumpy ride with him. I still. But he still had good games. Like it hasn't been like. Totally. And Brock Bowers, to your point, has really done nothing because he's been also hurt. So I think this is probably going to be the last chance that we can kind of like buy low on Bowers because I think that if he does come back healthy this week, his value is going to skyrocket back up to why we were drafting this guy at the beginning of the second round. Brock Bowers back. Yay. So I think that maybe you flip A.J. brown. Plus, I mean, if you're looking for an elite tight end like Bowers is the guy to go after.

[Chris Welsh]

Do you think that Bowers is more obtainable than Tucker Crafts or Tyler Warren? Well then there you go.

[Andrew Erickson]

There's your answer.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I put up. You remember we got these on our fantasy pros trip. It's our Lantern fantasy pros Lantern. So lights up. I think that's a good one to go to. Dredis in the chat said maybe going after Gadson. I thought about that. I just think I'd still might lean worthy. I think Gadson or Worthy is actually kind of fair. Ish. I probably lean on Worthy a little bit more. But to be fair, Gadson has one more week. He'll be in just like the goated territory where things will never move and then you wouldn't have to think about this nasty tight end situation. And then when. All things considered, when you just have all starters, he's rolling out Hertz, Gibbs, Henry, Nico, A.J. brown, Ted Roa. And then you'd have, like, a great tight end. So that's why I do it. So I think bottom line, were these a guy to target or AJ Brown and see if anybody's biting. Otherwise, don't press it. I don't love your tight ends, but I also wouldn't. I don't want to do a situation where someone's like, all right, well, listen, I'll give you, you know, give me Nico and I'll give you Jake Ferguson. And then you're just like, well, I got to get one, and you do it, and I don't want to do that type of stuff.

[Andrew Erickson]

Also, I think you're in a good spot this week with Loveland. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

All right, Lightning round these last couple ones so we can get them in. It's Matt. What's up, Matt?

[Andrew Erickson]

What's up, guys? Got me?

[Chris Welsh]

Yep. What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay, so I want to check my sanity with you guys. Am I crazy for shipping off Genty and Ted McMillan for Rasheed Rice and Isaiah Davis? I have another one after that.

[Chris Welsh]

So Genti and was it Teteroa?

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes.

[Chris Welsh]

For essentially Rishi Rice.

[Andrew Erickson]

You got Rice and then you got the. Maybe Brie Saw gets traded. Isaiah Davis.

[Chris Welsh]

But you're not crazy. I love that you got the best player in it. But I'm not in love because you traded away two solid starters. Davis is very theoretical. If Breeze gets traded, I mean, winner, winner. You know, you're going to make out good, but you're not crazy. I get. I get what you did this, and if you had the depth, it's fine. I kind of think Bogman disagrees with me. Think you disagree with me, but I think coming off the buy, they're going to go heavy. Genty, it's going to get back into being the Genti game on outside of that nonsense we had. So I don't know from a death perspective, I'm not in love, but I think it's fine. Did you have another one?

[Andrew Erickson]

So I do. But to follow. So I have Bijon, Gibbs and Videl. So it was kind of like you're doing.

[Chris Welsh]

You're doing all right on, right.

[Andrew Erickson]

You're doing pretty good in one flex. So I'm like, you know. And then my wide receivers are Almond Ra. Before the trade, it was Tet and then Garrett Wilson. So.

[Chris Welsh]

And you start three.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, it's for two.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, Jesus. So you're starting A Monroe Rice. And then you've got Bijan and Gibbs.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes.

[Chris Welsh]

What the hell did you. How did you get in this league? What league is this a dynasty?

[Andrew Erickson]

It's a. It's a fantasy league. And everyone panicked early on, and I was like, okay, well, I'll take everyone that you're scared of having, they blow up. And I just started flipping players left and right.

[Chris Welsh]

Oh, my God. Yeah, you're in a great. Never mind. You're doing a great, dude.

[Andrew Erickson]

So then my second question. So I am. So I am 7 and 1.

[Chris Welsh]

Sure.

[Andrew Erickson]

Very good. Of course, I have Bowers in Gadsden. Who would you start this week?

[Chris Welsh]

Bowers. Yeah, I. I get the question.

[Andrew Erickson]

Who should I start, Gibbs or Bijan?

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, I know. He's like, I'm 7 1, by the way. I've got Bowers, Tucker Kraft, and Tyler Warren. Who would you start? You're like, Jesus, dude, you're killing it. Yeah, you're killing it, brother. All right. Yeah, I know. Raven. What's up, Raven? A couple more. Try to get. Get him in here. Unmute anytime I do. I say lightning round, and then it's like. It's like a halt. I. I do that every time. What's up, dude?

[Andrew Erickson]

Right now. All right, I just dropped the roster in the chat, but I was wondering if I should go with Flatco for Week 11 when dimes gone by, or should I look for better? Was that the only question? What is better? I mean, Flacco, if he's playing, like, he's a pretty good start this week. I'm trying to figure out who else would be on.

[Chris Welsh]

Well, I think he said for. Yeah, why don't. Actually, I'm kind of confused. Yeah. Week 11, we're like. You're like three weeks away. I mean, I'm dying. You could look for. I guess if you're saying, like, should you look ahead to cut Flacco for somebody better because of week 11 and you keep turning out dimes. Yes. Don't know who those guys are, but I would. I would do that. You should only be playing for the buys because I think Danny Dimes is pretty chalk.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yeah, he must be. Yeah, he's got a. Yeah. So.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah, hopefully we answered that correctly. All right, last two. Jacob. What's up?

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, what's up, guys? Got me. What up? What up? How's it going, guys? I'll just make it super quick. I'm just going to throw my team in the chat here. Basically. I've got a group of basically all RB2s and I'm just looking to upgrade. Who do you think might be a good person to reach out for to try to buy?

[Chris Welsh]

So, Genti, etn, Walker, Camara, Manangai? You want to trade one of those to upgrade?

[Andrew Erickson]

Did I hear that right? Yeah, trade one of those. I'd be happy to pair with one of the quarterbacks. One of the tight ends maybe. Or just two of those guys would work as well.

[Chris Welsh]

Okay. You might have to. Just real quick. He has London, Waddle, Ridley. I guess you don't really have the depth at wide receiver. Never mind. But he's got Warren and kraft, so you're 100%. You need to take one of those tight ends and then you need to take. Unfortunately, the only. All of them are kind of down in value. So I would take a tight end and a running back and I would throw it out to. What running back would you try to get? Because I think you agree with me here.

[Andrew Erickson]

Yes. However, I would say don't aim for the running back. Aim for the manager who has the worst tight end and then kind of intuitively figure out which running back you can get from them because that's going to make the deal much easier. Yeah, it's going to be much easier for a manager to part with a running back. They like to settle for ETN if they know that they're getting a massive upgrade at tight end. So this is one of these reverses where you're not really targeting a player, you're targeting a manager that has a bad tight end and you just take their best running back.

[Chris Welsh]

Great, Great point. Because if you are like, oh, this is the running back I want, it's like Bucks man earlier. I want Chase Brown, but they're sitting there with Trey McBride. They're not interested. Even if they picked up Gadsden, they're not interested. But if they're like the guy we just had a minute ago, that's like, I got Loveland and Hawkinson and the Hawkinson manager. Yeah, you might be able to like get. Get a genty or something. I think he actually might have had genty, but you get the point. So. Yeah, I agree. It's. This is more of the strategy before the player here. Last one. It's our boy, Captain Slap.

[Andrew Erickson]

Hey, what's up, fellas?

[Chris Welsh]

What up?

[Andrew Erickson]

So I got a half PPR dynasty question. Neighbors obviously went down. I threw my wide receivers in the chat for you. The guy that I'm trying to trade with, he wants a first for Garrett Wilson. Are we sending a first for Garrett Wilson?

[Chris Welsh]

He wants A first for Garrett Wilson. This is like, what, rookie draft only? Or is this like.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, in our dynasty, we have to cut down to 20 players. So there will be good wide receivers plus the rookies.

[Chris Welsh]

Like, but every. Wait, each team can hold 20, so it's not going to really be good wide receivers.

[Andrew Erickson]

No, I mean, you're gonna get those, like, wide receiver threes and, like, Tess.

[Chris Welsh]

Johnson will be available. But, like, that's. Yeah, like.

[Andrew Erickson]

But most of the top guys are going to be on teams.

[Chris Welsh]

Yeah. Because if it's 10 teams, 20 players, it's 200 players gone. It's really not going to be anybody.

[Andrew Erickson]

It's not gonna be like, oh, what do you know? Like, Marvin Harrison Jr. He's out here. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe he will be again.

[Chris Welsh]

Tyson is somebody I want. If it's the rookie guys as well.

[Andrew Erickson]

Okay.

[Chris Welsh]

And maybe you can answer this real quick. As we're ending. Does it include. Does that include all the rookie draft players? Because if it does not include those and it's literally the two hundreds, knock yourself out. If it does include, it's a little bit tougher. Maybe if I had the shot at getting Tyson, if it's going to be a lower first round.

[Andrew Erickson]

I don't know.

[Chris Welsh]

Like, I don't like trading for injured guys, especially for first, but I. In this instance, I kind of feel like I would.

[Andrew Erickson]

I think that I would rather have pick. Remember Garrett Wilson? He's a younger guy. He's. But he's locked up with the Jets. He signed a contract. We have no idea what the jets are doing with the quarterback. No clue. So I will take my chances with the draft pick. I think maybe I could get somebody else instead of Garrett Wilson. So I don't remember which side the manager was on. Whether they have Garrett Wilson. They have the pick.

[Chris Welsh]

No, he has the pick. He would trade the pick to get Garrett Wilson.

[Andrew Erickson]

I. I would rather trade the pick for a different wide receiver than Garrett Wilson. So I would. I would pass. Yeah.

[Chris Welsh]

I'd be comfortable doing, like, just looking at ranks here. If you could go and Would you do it for DK Metcalf?

[Andrew Erickson]

I really like as a dynasty buy is Devonta Smith.

[Chris Welsh]

Would you trade your first move?

[Andrew Erickson]

What if they move like, what if A.J. brown is actually, like, not done, like, next year? He's done in Philly, like Smith and Smith is like the guy like, I don't know.

[Chris Welsh]

I think. I think I do it. I think I like Ericsson's idea of maybe shopping around, see if there's A better wide receiver you can get for that first. But at the end of the day, I don't know. I think based on the construction of what you said, I think I'm probably doing it to better my team, but I'm shopping. I'm shopping. That is it, friendos. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. Love having the audience here. You guys listening? If you're listening on the podcast, you could be a part of the show. By the way, you get it like a day early when you do it, but not only are you hanging out live, could be on the show. Ask your questions, dictate it, but you get the show early. Go to fantasypros.com chat. Come and hang out with us. Erickson and I, we turn on our cameras. We're hanging with you guys so you could see us and all the goofiness. And we got an amazing community. Dredis is a mainstay in the community in here. You could do the same. You guys hear some of the same names, you know. Awesome. Dev, Dredis, Bucksman. Be a part of that fantasypros.com chat and make sure to go and hook up my friends with my playbook. Go and do my playbook. I was definitely gathering my thoughts here as people were dropping questions. My playbook. Sync up your league, whether it's injury stuff, best trades, waivers, do it today over on my playbook or on the Fantasy Pros app. That is it. Happy Halloween. Be safe. Don't go accepting any peaches or kumquats from anybody because you know how that goes.

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[Chris Welsh]

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[Chris Welsh]

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[Andrew Erickson]

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[Chris Welsh]

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[Chris Welsh]

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