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Week 10 Lineup Advice: Starts, Sits, Player Debates, and TD Calls (Ep. 1826)
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This is an iHeart podcast. Let's get something straight. Not all whiskey is bourbon and not all bourbon is Wild Turkey. Though if you ask me, it probably should be. Born in Kentucky, made in America and enjoyed all over the world, Wild Turkey has made its pre prohibition style Kentucky Straight Bourbon one way, the right way for over 100 years. And the result, well, we like to think it speaks for itself. Wild Turkey Bourbon. Trust your spirit. Copyright 2025 Campari America, New York, NY. Never compromise. Drink responsibly. Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan, warmly joined as I am every Thursday by Pat Fitzmaurice and by Jake Seeley from the Athletic. We are talking starts and sits for week 10. We are into the double digits officially here. Week 10 kicks off tonight for Thursday Night Football as of when we're recording this quick reminder for everybody that all of our 2025 consensus rankings and tier can be found at fantasypros.com/ Rankings. Guys, we have a jam packed show as always. So let's dive right in here starting as always with the starting or sitting popular waiver ads. Jake, I want to start with you. Alec Pierce is the number one name I have on this list. Now I did waiver shows with both of you guys earlier this week with Joe out and we talked about how maybe wasn't the strongest week. You know, there was no Tyrone Tracy like as there was a week earlier, you know, this obvious guy who's going to be a fill in starter and even one of the names that we will get to that maybe could have been close to that. Then there were some real NFL trades that maybe changed up how much we want to be starting them. But Pierce was number one of the consensus rankings earlier in the week. Again at this point it was borderline like just you know, pick your preference depending on the person and the type of player you like. So we're going to most time receivers honestly. But Pierce for you Jake, is he somebody that you're interested in starting this week? He's coming off of just another strong game.
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Yeah. Honestly, yes. But it hasn't changed. Like this isn't one where like oh pick him up this week and because of what happened last game where Daniel Jones threw 800 times trying to come back in that game, it really comes down to it's Alec Pierce has been this for weeks now, weeks and weeks now. So he goes into the conversation of Brandon Cooks from past years, Troy Franklin from this year, Kayshawn Booty when he was healthy and hopefully he Gets back to healthy like he's been startable as a wide receiver 3. Rashid Shahid, who we're probably going to talk about today. Like it's the wide receiver threes which have plenty of upside, mostly because Daniel Jones takes multiple shots downfield to him each game and he's probably connecting on at least one of them. The downside is, you know, you look at his game log and I know it's been more good than bad of late, but you still just go Back to Week 6 against Arizona. 2 for 4 for 48. Two catches for 48 yards is cool, but no touchdown. And like that's the opposite, not the upside. That's the downside of Pierce is that doesn't actually have a touchdown in the year. This is all yards. This is all big plays. So do you want to play him every single week? Yeah, as my wide receiver three. Because as my wide receiver three, I can take the good with the bad. If it's my number two, that's a different conversation. But he doesn't need to be your number two. So I don't know about you, Fitz, but I felt like Pierce has been this for a while now. So it's not necessarily waver and pick him up. It's just been this is who he's been and it's just time for people to understand this is who he is.
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Yeah, I mean, DBRO Derek Brown, my colleague gave me, he kind of gave me the answer key on Alec Pierce. It's like against teams that play a lot of single high safety coverage, that's when you want to play Alec Pierce because his target share and yards per out run go way up against teams that run a lot of single high. Last week, Steelers run single high at one of the higher rates in the league and six catches, 119 yards. Now Pierce gets the Falcons, who I think play single Hyatt like one of the highest rates in the league. They're either one or two. So another good spot for him. Even though I think the Falcons generally do a little bit better against perimeter receivers than the Steelers do. But it still looks like a pretty good spot for him. In principle though, I kind of agree, Jake. I mean, Pierce generally more attractive against teams that play a lot of man than zone. I think just because like he is running those deep routes and you sort of want him getting one on one coverage and being able to cook guys downfield. I said on the show yesterday he kind of reminds me like a poor man's Jordy Nelson. Like he's a problem with his speed and size if you have him one on one downfield. So I agree. I mean, I think he's pretty much playable most weeks, but especially this week.
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You had him, Fitz, as like your, your flag plant a week ago. Do you feel stronger or, you know, less strong, less convicted than you did a week ago?
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I'm going to rest on my laurels on the flag plant and not do a repeat flag plant on Alec Pierce, but I have him ranked in the same high end wide receiver three spot. I had him last week. I think I've got him basically the same in the rankings, like wide receiver 28, 29.
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Okay, let's go to another wide receiver here and I'll stick with you, Fitz, because it's one of the Packers. Christian Watson. Is he somebody that, you know with Tucker Craft now? Not. Not that they're the same type of player, but just another, you know, mouth that they don't have to feed in this offense. Now, Watson looking good coming back from the injury injury, being a big play guy again. Is he somebody that you're willing to start in Week 10?
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It's borderline. I've got him in wide receiver 39, so it's going to depend on roster context for fantasy managers, buys, injuries, et cetera. Watson is a big play guy. He's six four and fast. Kind of like Alec Pierce in that regard. Average depth of target so far this season, 23.1 yards, which is crazy. His career averaged at the target, 15.9 yards, which still puts him squarely in the vertical receiver category. But Watson has not really been a prolific target earner throughout his career. So it's been kind of boom or bust for him week to week. Maybe now, though, with Tucker Kraft out for the season, with Matthew Golden a little banged up, with Jaden Reed still working his way back from injury, maybe we can expect at least six or seven targets for Watson this week and what should be a pretty competitive game against the Eagles. That's the hope if you're starting him anyway.
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Jake, what do you think about Watson?
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Watson has been in my waiver column since he came back and it actually goes into Alec Pierce conversation is that you're going to get good games, you're going to get bad games. There's very few that are just consistent in between. He's not Jacoby Myers. Neither one of them are. We're like, you know, we're talking about Jacoby as potentially a situation where he could be back to that wide receiver three who gets you in eight to 14 every single week. Where these guys get you three and then they get you 18. So that's what Christian Watson is. And yeah, sure it does help a little bit without crap, but Kraft wasn't a huge target getter outside of two games. It was more the touchdown department. So Christian Watson was going to do that anyway. I have Christian Watson as I've been having Christian Watson as a fringe wide receiver. 3. It's just you have to take the good with the bad, and if you don't want that in your lineup, that's. You don't want that.
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Honestly, one more receiver here, Parker Washington, who when we did the show fits you, me and DBRO on Monday was like the consensus number one guy. Again, not like you guys are saying, go spend all of your remaining fab to get him. But he was the guy at the top of the rankings. Then of course, the Jags trade for Jacobe Myers, you know, right away. Receiver trades like they do sometimes take some time, you know, to transition and adjust to that new team. You know, of course, obviously Travis Hunter on IR, you know, Brian Thomas Jr. Banged up Diami Brown, concussion. So like there's seemingly a path here for Parker Washington, even with Jacoby Myers in town. But he did kind of get bumped down the waiver consensus rankings after that trade was made on Tuesday morning. So as of now, kind of taking all those factors into consideration, Fitz, where is Parker Washington ranked for you? Is he somebody that you're willing to start in Week 10?
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Wide receiver 41, which feels a little too high. Hopefully everyone who did put in waiver claims for him on Monday revised those claims after the acquisition of Jacobi Myers. And rather than a $10 acquisition, he was like a two or $3 acquisition. The match appears bad. The Jaguars play the Texans, who have one of the two or three best pass defenses in the league. Houston is allowed the fourth fewest fantasy points per game, no wide receivers. And the Jaguars receiver situation is pretty messy now with Myers coming in. Diami Brown is coming back from a concussion. Like we don't know how involved Jacoby Myers is going to be right off the bat, maybe only plays a pretty limited share of snaps and just kind of slowly is fed parts of the playbook. And then there's the status of Brian Thomas Jr. He is what's being called a low grade high ankle sprain. And as we know, there's really no such thing as a low grade high ankle sprain. So I suspect he's going to be out. And that's what the ranking is based on. If miraculously BTJ does play. Don't start Parker Washington, but I don't know man. I have Christian Watson and Parker Washington separated by a couple spots in my rankings, but I feel much better about Watson than I do about Washington.
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Jake, similar range for you. He's also a name that you and I talked about on the waivers short form on Monday.
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Yeah, yeah, same range but also same range as his new teammate just because the risk first game. But also Fish just said everything when we talked on the waivers show I was like I might not even want to use him this week. And that was before they traded for Jacoby Myers that I would potentially pick up Parker Washington and just put him on the bench for a week until we can get a better matchup because there's been two double digit scores two against the Texans all year. Oh those guys. Arguably the two best wide receivers in fantasy Puka Nuku and Jackson Smith and Jigba. I don't think anybody would say Parker Washington is even 50% either one of those. So yeah, I don't really want to start Parker Washington wide receiver four territory. He's probably got some floor because they're going to see volume especially in the slot usage but depending on there's already talk that they're going to be pushing Jacoby outside. So that keeps some of that work there. But even so, I mean we're talking floor is in a full point pbr you still might not even get double digit points.
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One more player here that I want to talk about in the waiver section, tight end where it was a little bit stronger at this position than some of the other ones. Colson Loveland is a guy I want to highlight. Jake, we talk a lot about and you have you know waited on some of this historical data about you kind of that post buy rookie bump sort of situation for receivers. You know people like to think about just not even the post buy but the second half in general for for pass catchers it's usually talking about wide receivers. Would you extend that to somebody like Colson Loveland that hey maybe this could be the big breakout or do you look at his big game in Week 9 as more of hey this was a good game that became a great game because of some horrible tackling and kind of this fluky last play and that's why we're so excited about him. Where do you come down on Loveland both rest of season and in terms of ranking him as a tight end for week 10?
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Wait, you mean we don't. The Bears don't get to Face the Bengals every single week. Good news though, they get to face the Giants this week which is just as bad. So there you go on that end of it. But no really what it comes down to is nothing to do with pre post buy being a rookie whatever it might be. Loveland falls into the situation. The situation is that Kemet was out, he got banged up again so now he's out. And then fact is a dunes a not 100% which we're going to talk about plant flag player going to bring him up but wasn't 100% in that game and an opportunity against a really bad defense and a game that ended up being a shootout. But I say all to say this just like Gadson I'll take the chance because it's tight end and that's why that's all it comes down to is this. If we were talking about a wide receiver different story you could throw them into the Quentin Johnston bucket. Now is that that inconsistency but outside of McBride Bowers maybe I mean definitely Warren. But maybe Kittle like Kittle is even a question mark at this point. There aren't a lot of tight ends where I'm like yay, this is a difference maker. So I'm going to chase somebody who could be because now we're considering Gadsden as a potential top five tight end for the rats of the year with we just lost Tucker Kraft if Loveland is a one week thing doesn't do anything against the Giants and then that was it. That was the fun. I'm fine because you know what the waivers are filled with the Zach Ertz and Harold Fannin's of the world. I will take a chance that a tight end can now be a top five like Gadson and if not I'll just go back to waivers. So yes I am looking to start him. I'm looking to chase the upside against the Giants as a top 10 play. He's not up there by gas and I have him at 91 spot in front of Pitts who's actually been remarkably consistent. If you're considering Pitts at a tight end position he's he's consistent. So I will taste chase the upside but expect that it's still tight end. It could go immediately sideways.
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Fitz Colson Loveland is tight end 10 in the consensus rankings for the week scoring. He's one spot behind Pitts in ECR here. So where is he for you Fitz? Is he somebody that you're willing to start this week?
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Yeah, I'm with Jake I have Loveland at TE9, one spot ahead of Pitts, and I, I think, I think you're probably playing him unless you're a tight end hoarder who has him sitting behind Trey McBride or Tyler Warren or something. Jake kind of put it in a really good way, like we're not point chasing last week, we're upside chasing here and there's definitely upside for Loveland if Cole Komet doesn't play. The potential snag is that Loveland actually got in a limited practice on Wednesday, which I think was before for clearing protocol. I don't know if that means he was just pedaling a bike on the sideline or something. Maybe Kemet is the rare player who quickly clears concussion protocol and plays seven days later. But even if Kemet plays, it does feel like the snaps are starting to tilt toward Loveland a little bit and it's easy to understand why he was a top 10 draft pick. So never mind the big numbers last week the Bengals just routinely get crushed by tight ends. Well, what matters is that Loveland has been getting more involved the last three weeks, playing more snaps, earning more targets, and seems like the offensive environment in Bears giants should be pretty good.
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Before we get to the plant your flag segment, I should have mentioned this at the top of the show. There are four teams on buy this week and there are some good ones. The Cowboys, the Bengals, the Chiefs and then also the Titans. So only four teams, but a lot of good teams, a lot of bad defenses that we enjoy seeing our players go up against. So it's not quite the 16 by apocalypse, but there's some good names there. So just keep that in mind when you are making your start sit decisions. Again, it's Kansas City, Dallas, Tennessee and Cincinnati. Let's continue the Bears conversation here, Jake, and go to your plant your flag player. You already mentioned him. It's Roma Dunes coming off of a.
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True dud, his first zero of his career. So there you go. And I know a lot of people are worried and I will put a caveat on this. This is Thursday. Before we get Thursday practice reports, Dunze was out there. Limited, actually, I think severely limited. I don't think that he did much actually outside of on the sidelines on Wednesday. So if Dunes A is playing through an injury still, I would kind of shift this one. But I wanted to bring up a Dunes A just because I think people are panicking and they're looking to potentially sell and I saw, I don't remember who it is and I'm not coming for them. I just disagree. Obviously we're always right and wrong about some things. But I saw somebody out there said like he's now wide receiver three going forward. I'm like no he's not. Yeah, he's had a little tough stretch there but he's not 100% and he's still a Dunes A. And I bring up the matchup because the one thing that he's done well and DJ Moore has done the same thing, it's more so of a Caleb Williams factor is they do really well against man instead of zone coverage. The Giants are one of the man heaviest teams in the league. Their top three he actually averages that being a Dunes A and DJ Moore too. More fancy points per target, more yards per out run. And actually A Dunes A has 50, almost 54% of the team's air yards when there's man coverage. So this is a matchup where it's if he's healthy, even 90% healthy, he's going to get back to being right. And that's why I want to plant my flag because I think there's people considering Benching them in 10 team strong wide receiver team leagues this year. I would not bench a Dunes A if he's out there.
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Fitz, do you, you know, have any consideration for benching in dunes or is this like a very easy continue starting in for you too?
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No, I mean it certainly was a weird anomaly that in a game where I think the Bears had more than 500 yards of total offense that their number one receiver would be shut out. And in a game where there I think 43 plays in the game of 10 or more yards, hopefully that means Rome gets a little extra love from Caleb Williams this week. It's a good matchup. You know, Jake pointed out the man versus zone thing and how man heavy the Giants are and just generally the Giants have given up the seventh most fantasy points to wide receivers and they might not have Paulson Adibo who's been out with a knee injury and yeah, not, not back at practice on Wednesday. So yeah, I like the call here Fitz.
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You and I are in a dynasty league with some other people in the industry, Tom Strachan being one of them. He was winless in this dynasty league. He beat me this week and the difference would have been Roma Dunes A scoring anything for me that him getting to zero, even a one cost me the loss again and I was the first place team. I think I needed like four points from him but I was the first place team and I lost to the 0 and 8 Tom Strachan led squad. Totally rebuild team. Thanks in no small part to that. Roma Dunes a dud so that was a tough one. Fitz, you mentioned the Giants. Your plant, your flag player is also in this game playing for the Giant side.
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How about that?
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Yeah, this so I mentioned the offensive environment being pretty good for Giants Bears Sunday the Bears two best cornerbacks, Jalen Johnson and Kyler Gordon, both really good players on injured reserve. Bears edge rusher Dyo Odangbo just tore his Achilles. Safety Kevin byard and linebacker T.J. edwards missed practice on Wednesday. The Bears defense is a mess right now and we kind of saw that last week with the Bengals hitting I think 10 pass plays of 20 or more yards. Yeah, Bengals and Cowboys are on by this week. They are the fun teams for fantasy with these high powered offenses and terrible defenses. Bears are kind of the sneaky fun team for fantasy with a shaky injury riddled defense and an offense that's starting to click. So I've already bet the over in this game. I think the Bears are going to score enough to push the Giants and make dart. Keep the pedal to the metal and dart over the last, well, what. Since week six he's averaged 24.9 fantasy points per game. Only quarterbacks who've averaged more over that span Justin Herbert, Joe Flacco. I think Dart is another big game in Chicago. Although pay attention to the weather. Somehow it's going to be like 64 degrees in Chicago on Friday, going down to 35 as a high on Sunday. And it could be a little breezy too. So just make sure it's not that breezy. I think they said winds are like 15 to 20 miles an hour. That that is below the panic threshold for me, but approaching the concern threshold.
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Jake, where is Jackson Dart ranked for.
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You as a top 10 quarterback? And I'll tell you he's number seven only because what Fitz brought up like as of right now playing the Risk, I have him one spot behind Bo Nicks because of the weather in Chicago. But if everything's fine, I felt better about Dart than Knicks. Basically, outside of those two games of the matchup, the Denver Broncos have one of the worst schedules, especially during the playoffs. Just as a side note, foreign let's.
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Now let's get into the start sit player debates. We will start with running backs as always, Jake Breece hall or Kamani Vidal in week 10. Who are you ranking higher?
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Not coming for you. How's this a debate? Breeze hall by 10 miles, 50 miles, 100 miles. Like I don't want Fidel near my team at this point. Videl proved for one game that he was like, oh yeah, that was fun. The same thing he did last year and then he turned into, oh, he's a volume guy. That's complete meh. And then we saw Jarrett Patterson off the street now also involved as the potential lead. So Kymani Vidal, 100% for me is not only just a bench, but I would even consider dropping him. If you're in shallow league like I am off the Vidal train, I wouldn't be surprised if Patterson has more value. And this is a journeyman that was cut from the Lions previous years. So it's Breece hall and like Breeze Hall. Breeze Hall, Breeze hall and then Breece Hall Jr. And we get to Vidal.
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Wow. Well, for the record, these guys are Back to back in ecr.
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Were they afraid Bruce hall was gonna get traded?
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I. I don't. Well, Breeze hall is ranked higher. He's RB17. This is in half PPR scoring but commodity Videl is is RB18. You know hall going up against a very tough Cleveland running defense. You know Vidal, he's had two good.
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Games this year if if Videl finishes one spot. So I have Breeze Holland side my top 15. So I, I'll say this, if Videl finishes top 15 you guys figure out something I have to do on the show next week because I will guarantee that's not happening.
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I know what I'm rooting for now please everybody listening drop some ideas in the comments of of stuff Jake can do that is still come on at 33 to be clear, there's a massive gap there. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, they're back to back in ECR fits. Do you also see like this as a useless worthless question and considered drop Vidal or are you going to say it was worthless?
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I just.
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I say I don't. I didn't know how this was a question in my, in my mind.
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No. In fact I will make the case for Kamani Vidal who I would start ahead of Bree Hall. Yes. Here's. Well, here's the thing. First of all, better offense. Way better offense. Not even close. Less difficult matchup. Like I'm definitely worried about the Chargers having lost Joe Alt for the season and they traded for Saints tackle Trevor Penning. But Alt is hard to replace. One of the best offensive tackles in the league. But with Breece Hall, Jake, like he's been pretty predictable this year. He smashes against bad defenses and bricks against decent or good defenses. Hall has had big games against the Bengals, Cowboys and Dolphins. Hasn't done much of anything against anyone else except the Steelers in week one, who Kymani Vidal happens to be playing this week. The other thing with Breece hall and this is kind of an intangible thing and like where is the jets morale going to be at this week after the sell off fire sale at the trade deadline? Would it be a surprise if the jets just laid a giant egg this week? I don't think it would be. So I mean like we've got a good team and a functional offense. Like I'll take the running back in that environment rather than Breece hall playing in the wreckage of the New York Jets.
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Yeah, I was going to ask Jake on Hall like if he's somebody who because the defense is what was really gutted, you know, at the trade Deadline for New York. So, you know, we know Bruce hall can catch passes. He only has four catches across the last three games combined, so that hasn't been something he's been doing lately. If they get behind, I know it's the Browns, but you know, Quintron Judkins could probably run on this team without Quinn and Williams. So if the Browns get out to a lead, do you feel like Breeze hall can still be a valuable fantasy asset, or do you think the jets need to be in this game and kind of rally and have the morale that Fitz is maybe thinking they won't have in order for Breeze hall to be an effective fantasy contributor?
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I think he'd be effective no matter what. I mean, it wasn't an amazing game, but he had a decent game against the Broncos where it was a lot of the volume. And that's where I'm going with, like the volume for hall versus volume for Vidal. I'm just going to take the volume for hall, even though that's kind of the game that you would say that Vidal's had. But, you know, two to the last three games, it's been 5050 as he had the really good game to start things. Terrible game, good game, terrible game for Vidal. I just think that I've seen enough that Vidal is not impressive as a running back for me, and I think it's. That's what we knew about him last year. So I'm just going to take the talent. And to give you an idea of some of the names, it's a potential split backfield that I have Vidal behind. Nate, like now he can move up because there's some injuries in there, but throwing the injuries out, like not even coming out like David Montgomery split backfield. Rashad White split backfield. Kenneth Walker split backfield. Like, I'm just going to take the Trayvon Henderson likely with no Ramon Dre Stevenson. Travis Etienne looked great after the buy. Again, he bounced back like all those names. I'm just going to start over somebody in a split backfield that I just don't think is a very impressive running back. Like I said, I'm happy to be wrong on this one.
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I'll be happy to be wrong, too.
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Since we get to wait for you to do something. Split backfield. What are. What are we talking about, Jake? Like Vidal has had. He had 72% of the offensive snaps last week.
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Patterson is like, it's coming because they gave. That's what I'm saying. They're coming to give Patterson more like you. Like I'm just telling you, like, it's, in my opinion, Videl's time of guaranteeing 20 touches is done, in my opinion.
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I mean, he's had 100 yard rushing days in two of his last four games. So, like, he also had dog.
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I won't say it. In two of the last four games, it's been 50. 50. All right.
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I mean, like, you're your colleague Michael Salfino of the Athletic. Like, he is a. He has a great comp. He comps running backs to closers. It's more about opportunity than it is about talent. A lot of the times, no question, Breeze hall is more talented than Kymani Vidal. I don't think anyone is pushing back on that. But, like, Breece hall is the closer on the Rockies right now. Like, there's just not a lot of meat on that bone. Like, give me the, you know, give me the less effective closer for the Dodgers.
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And that's my point. I don't know that Vidal is the closer. That's what I'm saying. My stance.
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Snapshare says he is, but we'll see, I guess.
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And I just gave you the whole reason. You can call it Snapchat, all you want is I'm. I. Patterson got worked in, and I think that's going to be more a factor this week. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm saying I just don't think this is Vidal's 90%, 70%, 80% backfield. Now, who.
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Who was the closer on the Rockies this year? Fitz? I can't even think of who it was.
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I don't know.
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They didn't win any games. It didn't matter.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, they probably didn't even have a closer. All right, let's go to another running back debate here. Tyrone Tracy Jr versus Jordan Mason. They're a little further apart in ECR than Hall and Videl, where they're still pretty close to each other. Tracy is ranked higher in ecr. Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. Tracy or Jordan Mason?
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Yeah, I mean, this is just. It all comes down to the status of Aaron Jones. For me, if he's out, I want Mason. If Aaron Jones plays, I. Tracy and Jones has a sprained AC joint. Relatively minor injury by NFL standards, but sometimes players miss a week with a sprained AC joint. So it totally depends on Jones status. And he missed practice on Wednesday.
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I. I really wanted to find somebody to include against Tyrone Tracy Jr just coming off of like, hey, we were all really excited last week. I mean, Deaver I think had him ranked as like a top 14 running back for the week or something. He was very, very excited.
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Yeah.
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And then obviously doesn't pan out. Devin Singletary is evolved like terrible game for Tracy. I couldn't really find a great like name to put him against. Just looking at the rankings and looking at your guys rankings it was kind of tricky to find a good one here. So like I said I went with Mason. I do recognize that it's a little tricky like at this point in the week not knowing Aaron Jones's status. Jake, do you see it similar in that the status of Aaron Jones will determine which side you take or would you go with one of these guys regardless?
- [28:44]
B
No, 100% because if Aaron Jones we talked about last week, he's the RB2 and RB2 he's the clear lead. He actually was dominating before he got hurt in that game. So I say Aaron Jones is clearly ahead which would put Jordan Mason behind Tracy if he's active and then Jordan Mason gets the bulk of the work if there is no Aaron Jones. So we're in agreement. Vincent I like this is going to determine 100% on the health of Aaron Jones if you want a toss up. I don't know if these are good for like I have Tracy one spot behind RJ Harvey even though it's all touchdown luck. That's changed for him. It hasn't been the usage. But I'd rather go for the fact that RJ Harvey in the passing game versus the fact that you know, you would hope that the Bears can push the factor and say that Tracy is going to get more work because it's going to be a passing game opportunity. But you have the Jackson Dart, Devin Singletary stealing potential touchdowns and then in what we thought should be the Tracy game like I had Tracy as a top 20 running back Tracy last year every single time he had double digit touches, scored double digit fantasy points except for once and we saw the production. It was just the concern of the fumbling and then Brian Dable said okay, that's cool, fine, whatever. First game, 5050 split. And that was before Tracy got banged up. Singletary actually only had two touches after Tracy got hurt. So it was a 5050 split before that even happened. So that's why I would say that Tracy versus like a Harvey Tracy versus David Montgomery. I'd probably go with both of those in another split backfield situation.
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A
Fitz we typically avoid like guys on on Thursday night just because the nature when this episode comes out. But for those who are listening prior to that game since it was brought up by Jake. What do you think about R.J. harvey versus Tracy?
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C
Yeah, this is going to make me look dumb cause he just scored three touchdowns last night. And I'm going to recommend against playing him because he hasn't played even a third of the offensive snaps in five straight games.
- [30:30]
B
You're not wrong.
- [30:31]
C
Yeah, he's just. He's not like, I don't want to bet on the touchdown lock and maybe he keeps it going, but this feels like almost like not. Not quite this disgusting, but like the Nick Westbrook akine thing from last season where like that's who I compared.
- [30:47]
B
That's who I comp Harvey to. I legitimately compared him to Nick Westbrook Akina.
- [30:51]
C
Yeah, where he's got like three targets a game and he just keeps scoring touchdowns. And it's like, how can this continue? But it continues for like six weeks or whatever. So it feels like that is going on with RJ Harvey. The only thing I like about RJ Harvey is that Sean Payton running backs always catch a lot of passes and JK Dobbins is not catching any passes. So maybe if Harvey is just the designated pass catcher in that backfield, like that's how he starts to. To gain value. And we did see him have what, like five catches last week. So maybe that is his path to something more than just this heavy touchdown dependence.
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A
Let's go to some wide receiver debates here. We were talking about the jets with Breece Hall. Let's go with another Jet here. Garrett Wilson looking like he's going to return at least as of the last time I saw. Correct me if you guys have seen anything different as of Thursday morning. Keep an eye on it. We'll see what that looks like against Marvin Harrison Jr. Who looks like a different receiver with Jacoby Brissette under center. I wonder what you guys think about that continuing. Is that something that you do you see that as more of a fluke, like, hey, this was a fun game or is that something that you do expect and we'll be ranking him as if that's kind of more along the lines of what to expect going forward. Jake, I'll start with you. Garrett Wilson or Marvin Harrison Jr. This week.
- [32:06]
B
I like Garrett Wilson and I know that the team could be like nothing left, but the team really had nothing left majorly. Like the offense, as you brought up earlier, that's not really what was affected at the trade deadline. And so Garrett Wilson, for whatever he was saying is like, oh, Justin Fields isn't that good. Of a passer, but at least he can support one wide receiver. And he was doing it. So I'm going to go with healthy Garrett Wilson. I know it's funny. Like, I've talked about this on my podcast. Like, just did. The scoop city for the athletic and the perception for the Marvin Harrison situation is certainly there. And if you go back and watch, whether it's watching or metrics with Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissette, they're almost identical. For Marvin Harrison, the big beneficiary has been Trey McBride. Trey McBride sees the massive jump with Jacoby Brissette, especially in the touchdown department. But y' all yards per route run on target percentage, touchdown target percentage, fancy points per target are almost identical for. For Harrison with Murray and Brissette. But I will say there's something to be said. We've done this. As long as we've done it. I think Fitz would agree with me. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but you kind of said it at the beginning. There's kind of like a shift in the feel for the team. Like, the team has even said, like, the huddle felt different. So I will give Marvin Harrison a slight boost, but I'll still play Wilson in front of him. I'm just. I was kind of throwing that out as, like, don't overreact. To think, like, all of a sudden Marvin Harrison is top 10 based off of one game. There is a boost, but I would say the bigger boost is for McBride.
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A
It's interesting, Fitz, like, it's a. It's a great case study. And like, reading between the lines, it feels like every quote that has come out of, like, the coaching staff or the players in Arizona is just like, they. They seem to be not saying it, but saying that Jacoby Brissette, like, just does the little things different than Kyler, that it's just better leadership, you know, has played better on the field in. In certain ways. Like, it just feels like the vibes are very different, like Jake said.
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C
Yeah, yeah. It's funny that they put Kyler on IR because that feels like Jonathan Gannon. Not wanting to answer questions from reporters every week for the next month about the status of Kyler and who the starter is. I pretty much agree with everything Jake just said. I am going with Garrett Wilson. He's played six games this season. He's had eight or more targets in all of them. He's wide receiver 9 in fantasy points per game. No matter what we think of Justin Fields as a passer, Field does not hinder the fantasy value of Garrett Wilson at all this season. And I am willing to buy that Jacoby Brissette has been at least a slight upgrade for Marvin Harrison Jr. But Harrison has a tough matchup this week against the Seahawks. Like that is a legit past defense and they're playing in Seattle. Harrison's probably going to see a lot of Devon Witherspoon, really tough individual matchup. I like Wilson here.
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A
It's funny, I this was like several weeks ago at this point, but I remember earlier in the year making a point about how it felt like Garrett Wilson was having a worse year than he was. This is obviously like pre getting hurt because like you said, Fitz, like Fields was still throwing to him and he was still, you know, having productive days. It just felt like the jets are so terrible that like, like vibes wise, he must be having a terrible season. And it really was like not as bad, you know, as it might have felt in terms of the vibes with Garrett Wilson this week. Jake, did you say where do you have him ranked? I'm curious where you guys actually come down on him specifically.
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B
No, I didn't. But I can tell you specifically I have Garrett Wilson. I'm looking for the plus because I know he was way I have him in the top 20. I have Garrett Wilson at 19 and I know it's a really bad matchup with the Browns, but look who he's there with. He's DJ Moore, Cortland Sutton, who's been boomer bust Chris Olave. Not the best matchup against the Panthers that people might not know that. But at the same time, I mean Panthers have been vulnerable. It's been. They could just go out there. The Panthers could be like, hey, we're not covering anybody but Chris Olave. Good luck. Like see what you can do. So he's in names where like you if he wanted to start some of those, I don't have a problem with it. But Garrett Wilson's been top 15 before this. My only concern here is if it wasn't for the Browns, like if you switch those matchups and said Browns and Panthers, I probably push Garrett Wilson back into the top 15 where he was.
- [36:10]
A
He He's 33 in consensus. But that's because there are analysts who don't have him ranked like waiting to see what happens with the injury. So that's why I wanted to get a number two. It fits. Where. Where did you have him ranked?
- [36:20]
C
Oh, I've got him wide receiver 10 and I know that kind of. That kind of contradicts my earlier comments about what if the jets just morale wise are a complete train wreck. But part of it is that what.
- [36:32]
B
If they're like haha, look we're, we're still going to do it and come out and like prove everybody wrong.
- [36:37]
C
They could like. But I also think like trying to run on the Cleveland Browns is just like beating your head against the wall. So I think they have to throw to Garrett Wilson out of necessity, but.
- [36:48]
B
So you're saying it's a Cam Scatterboo dream?
- [36:52]
C
Exactly. Yeah. Like Worm, you talked about like just feeling like it hasn't been a great season for Garrett Wilson. I wound up getting him in a lot of leagues and that wasn't necessarily a guy was going into drafts targeting, but he just would fall to me and to the point where I thought he was good value. So. And like I've been. Just before he got hurt, I was just delighted by how good he's been with Justin Fields and how like Justin Fields doesn't work for anyone else there. Plus the fact that they have nothing around him. And I don't know if Adnai Mitchell gets any run for the jets in his first game with them, but like he is pretty much the only game in town as far as jets wide receivers. So that, that certainly helps the target outlook and a good reason why he's got at least eight targets in every game.
- [37:38]
B
I have a question for Fitz because he has him at 10. Do you have Garrett Wilson in front of Nico Collins?
- [37:43]
C
I do.
- [37:44]
B
Okay. Because I was looking. We don't have Nico Collins in the list. But I actually put this up in my column and I noticed that 1.3 fantasy points per target versus 2 with CJ Stroud. And then if you look at the team, target percentage isn't even that high. I know a lot of people are like, oh, Mills targets him. And I went back and I'm like, I don't think he does like more than he normally does. 50% target share, that's fifth best. Now a lot of those wide receivers aren't on the team anymore and it's a little different. But that's only the last three years since Nico Collins actually became Nico Collins. So I was curious if Fitz had that. I actually had them super close. I was just curious if that you had Nico Collins that low. Not that low.
- [38:20]
C
But you know, where do you have Nico, Frank, Jake?
- [38:23]
B
I haven't like 13 or 14.
- [38:25]
C
Okay. So that. Yeah, that's where I've got them too. 13, 14.
- [38:28]
B
14.
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A
Okay, let's do another wide receiver one here. Debo Samuel or DK Metcalf? Metcalf obviously coming off a very poor game for the Steelers. Debo in, you know, this interesting quarterback situation with Mariota there. Obviously Terry McLaurin still banged up. Like there could be opportunity there, you know, going up against the Lions. So who do you guys like? These are, these are two, by the way, that are next to each other in ECR. Debo is wide receiver 21, DK Metcalf is wide receiver 22. Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. Debo or DK?
- [39:00]
C
So this is a toss up for me. DK is wide receiver 39 and a half point PPR fantasy scoring over the last three weeks and there's only been one game this year where he's had more than seven targets. And I was always a little uncomfortable, ill at ease with the way he was doing it early on with the lower, much lower average depth of targets than he's had for his career and like the much greater yards after catch. Like he kind of went from being, you know, Mike Evans to being DJ Moore or something. It was like a weird shift kind of necessitated by how Aaron Rodgers has been playing for the Steelers. So not totally at ease with him. And as, as for Debo, like you, you would think he would be heavily involved this week with Terry McLaurin re injuring his quad and probably being out for the rest of the season. And Debo gets the Lions who are easier to throw on than run on. But I don't know man. Like Washington just seems like a sinking ship. Like I'm going to go with Metcalf here.
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A
I totally like again, we've talked a lot about vibes like with Cardinals and the Jets. Like it feels like this is. It feels like even the fan base in Washington has really embraced. Like just. Or so I shouldn't say embrace. I should say accepted that like this is just the lost like finished season. So you wonder how that maybe impact the players to a small degree. Jake, what do you think? Samuel or Metcalf?
- [40:24]
B
I'm sorry, I just, I was chuckling because it almost sounded like you were going to go Debo after all that the way you set it up. And so Debo's last three games, fancy points per game, he's 84th, like 4.3. Like it's just, it's been miserable. And I say that to say is like I want to say Debo. I want to say Debo because we saw him 100% earlier this year. We saw that he can be productive without Terry McLaurin. And we saw those really nice games against Atlanta and the Chargers which were like Atlanta at the time was one of the defenses we were really worried about. So like there's all the appeal there or not that's being DK Metcalf or. No, no, that was Deebo. That was my point there. It was Debo is to go back to DK Metcalf is what I meant to say is that he's been inconsistent. It's been wide receiver 30, wide receiver 5 wide receiver 40 something wide receiver 12, 9, 40. Like Fitz is right and it's been the usage which has been weird. But I'm going to give him the slight edge just because at least it's been a little bit better than it been for like maybe Deebo's not 100% again, like maybe like if you watch the past couple of games, like is he playing through something? Is he not the healthy guy he was earlier this year? So I would love to say Deebo because I want Debo to be still like back to what he was doing. I had him in a few spots in deeper leagues, but I feel like just DK is a better bet at this point. Just how they look recently despite like to go back like haha like again I'm prepared to be wrong on Vidal, but the same thing is DK has two really good games and two really stinkers in the last four games since they're by Debo has all stinkers. So you could kind of like just argue it that way.
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A
Let's do some more rapid fire start set decisions here. Alvin Camara or Jacori Crosby Mary two guys that I don't think anybody wants to be in a position to start. But you never know who you're missing. Teams on by maybe lost some guys to injury. So let's have a really gross ugly head to head here. Fitz Cavara who you talked about as a potential drop earlier in the week on one of our shows against Bill Crosby Merritt, who I feel like I've been banging the table against for a few weeks in a row here now.
- [42:25]
C
Yeah, this is just perverse worm. So to the 2 and 7 fantasy managers who are contemplating this decision. Look man, I do not want to play Alvin Camara anymore. 31 or fewer rushing yards in five straight games hasn't scored a touchdown since Week 1 and the pass catching production that we used to get from Alvin Camara is just a relic of the past at this point. And now the Saints offensive line is a mess. Eric McCoy, the center out for the season. Starting tackle Talise Fuaga out with a high ankle sprain. Chiefs just traded their other starting tackle, Trevor Penning to the Chargers. Crosby merit. Bad matchup against the Lions. Commanders are a mess. I'd still go Crosby merit here. And by the way, if you've seen injury tag on Jakori, Crosby merit this week, apparently it's a dental thing. So that means he's in no real danger of missing the game. And yeah, maybe he'll be like the Abominable Snowman and Rudolph the Red nosed Reindeer and just be extra fearsome because he has mouth pain.
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A
That's.
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C
That's the hope.
- [43:26]
A
I loved that special growing up. That was one of my favorites every Christmas. Jake, what do you think? Camara or Bill?
- [43:33]
B
You didn't completely steal my joke, Fitz, but that was my answer was gonna be this doesn't matter because anybody who needs to make this decision has already moved on to basketball. Like they're not playing anymore so their seasons are gone. I pick one if you like. You made really good argument for Crosby Merit. I don't love the matchup. I don't love the fact that it was a season low since week one and touch percentage at 50%. He's got single digits in four straight games. So all that being said, I was like I'm off cross gamer Camara because he's one of the last two people standing and I watched Taysom Hill lead the backfield in rushing this week. Like who the hell knows? I have him so close. I have Camara slightly in front of Kraski Merritt. But all the arguments, like I won't even argue back like I did with Videl. You can take this one. I'll just side with Fitz because I don't want to use either one of them.
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A
For what it's worth, they are ranked in a range where possible starters there are RB27 and RB30 in ECR. So that's. Yeah.
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B
Because keep putting up the fight.
- [44:28]
C
Don't be a dead team.
- [44:29]
B
I will give you that. Like don't be that team.
- [44:32]
A
Yeah, that was a gross one. Possibly gross depending how you feel about these guys. I wanted to throw in one with Parker Washington even though we talked about him in the waiver wire segment. Washington or Josh Downs this week? Jake?
- [44:43]
B
I'll go Josh Downs barely. Just because like Parker Washington. I don't know that Jacoby comes in similar to Shahid and immediately becomes the one or the two because like she. He has that familiarity with Kubiak and he has that system. He knows that he could come in. It might only be 70%, but immediately the two. Does the same happen for Jacoby? They're talking about playing a more outside, which would be a thumbs up, especially if Brian Thomas is out. And if Brian Thomas is out, I'd probably switch it and it sounds like he might be. I'd probably switch to Parker Washington, but I give Josh Downs even against Atlanta, I give him the slight edge just because I know what he's going to be and I know that Josh Downs and what his usage is. Parker Washington should see a lot of the slot work. But what if they don't like. What if they use Jacoby 50% of the time of the slot and all of a sudden Parker Washington gets kicked down and all of a sudden Diami Brown is healthy and he's back out there. Like, it's just, I don't know. Diamond Brown's still possible to play this week, right? Like, his status is still up in the rs officially out now.
- [45:38]
C
So diamond. No, I think he was back at practice on Wednesday.
- [45:42]
B
So I think he's probably like it's the known factor versus the uncertainty. And that's why if this, this trade never happened, Parker Washington probably would have been pushing my top 30 Fitz Downs.
- [45:54]
C
I just want to avoid the Jacksonville wide receiver scene this week in a tough matchup against Houston.
- [45:59]
A
And so even though you like Alec Pierce, you still would also go downs like.
- [46:03]
C
Yes, yes.
- [46:04]
A
Okay. Okay, let's go to some flexes here. How about Travis ETN or Nico Collins, who you guys were just talking about a short bit ago? Fitz, I'll start with you on this one. ETN or Nico?
- [46:15]
C
Yeah, I'll go. Nico. I'm not excited that it's Davis Mills throwing him the ball instead of C.J. stroud, but the Jaguars are in a reasonably favorable or they are a reasonably favorable matchup for the Texans. And while Nico isn't having a banner season, he's still really, really good. I thought ETN looked terrific last week. He'd been kind of struggling prior to the Jaguars buy with under 50 rushing yards in three straight games before that. But last week, 22 carries, 84 yards and a season high five catches for 31 yards. We didn't get the post buy usage bump for rookie Bashal Tutin, which was good news if you're a Travis ETN investor. So two pretty good options. But I'll, I'll take Nico over etn.
- [46:58]
A
Jake, who do you prefer?
- [47:00]
B
I'm actually going etn, but it's Slight. It's super close. There are three spots apart in flex, so I'm going etn. I just, I'm severely concerned about Mills with Nico Collins. That being said, you know, one big play to Nico Collins, which any quarterback can do, could swing this either direction. And it wasn't just the fact that, like, Fitz is right. I had a lot of people telling, like, hold on to Tootin, we might get the post by bump, or if anything were to happen to etn. And then, not only that, it was only two touches, a few snaps, but Laquin Allen even got usage in that game so much so to the point that Tutin is just not going to be a factor, it looks like. So I'm going etn, but I have him super close.
- [47:37]
C
La Quint Allen actually played more snaps than Tooton in that game. Like two more.
- [47:41]
B
Was it official by the end of it?
- [47:42]
C
Yeah, I think I. I want to say, like, I thought I saw was like 22 to 20.
- [47:47]
A
Okay, how about Teo McMillan or David Montgomery?
- [47:51]
B
Jake, that's. I'm going Dave Montgomery. Like, I just. The. The entire Panthers offense and it kind of goes back to what we talked about a few weeks ago with Tele McMillan. Yeah, the volume's there. Yeah, the volume's cool. But it's still coming from Bryce Young. And unless he gets a touchdown, which has happened in one game, fortunately twice, to save his day. Like, I just don't like Tedro McMillan on 25 other teams, we'd be so much more excited for him. But also, they're playing the Saints and they don't even need to turn to them. If you're playing the Saints and you're the Panthers who are winning games, and you're like, hey, like, let's just not fall flat on your face, they're not going to ask Bryce Young to carry this game. And that's just why I go to it. Like. Like, even with 10 targets in two games, McMillan is finished as a top 20 wide receiver twice. And once was that two touchdown game.
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A
I was talking about Fitz.
- [48:43]
C
I'm with Jake and line of reasoning is pretty much the same. Like, I love Tedro McMillan, love the matchup against the Saints, but I don't love McMillan's quarterback and I'm not sure Dave Canelis does either. In Bryce Young's last four starts, all of which the Panthers have won. Crazy that in the last five games, the Panthers only lost with Andy Dalton at quarterback. Bryce Young has averaged 25 pass attempts in his last four games. Like, Dave Canel is actively Trying to hide Bryce Young and lean on the running game and that's good strategy. So I'm going to take David Montgomery. I think the Lions are going to be angry after losing at home to the Vikings and they are going to take that anger out on the undermanned Washington commanders. So I think Gibbs and Montgomery are both going to get plenty of work and put up.
- [49:29]
B
Here's the big question. If you guys are still alive and survivor, do you have the guts to take the Panthers?
- [49:34]
C
Oh, oh I am in a couple of pools and I'm taking them in both my, well one's like a three strike pool so everyone's kind of alive.
- [49:41]
B
Oh no, I had, I had five pools this year. I am down to one because of the bleeping packers last week for this stupid Panther.
- [49:49]
C
Don't get me started on that one. Yeah, I am taking the Panthers. I think that's kind of the chalk play just because you, you need a team that you can't Normally count on.
- [49:59]
A
McMillan. I, I am just really, I'm really curious to see what the next seven weeks look like for him because it has been, I mean he has not topped 50 receiving yards in three of the last four weeks. He got the two touchdown game which saved one of those weeks. But like it, I, I, I keep watching him and going like that's a really good player. And I just like there's no question about it players but I just like it's just not you know getting that seal. I mean he was has not topped 17 points in a game this season and a half PPR scoring and again that the game where he topped 16 was because he had two touchdowns.
- [50:31]
C
So in that game against the packers it seem the only time they would throw to him was when they needed to pick up third more than five and they would keep throwing to him and he'd catch it and pick up the third and long and like that was it. Then he goes back into cold storage until the next third and long situation.
- [50:47]
B
I got like not being like haha, like I've missed things and I might miss the Videl one but like I got crucified for saying that he could probably be Calvin Ridley 2024 which was almost 70 receptions, a thousand yards and four touchdowns because he's on the Panthers which would be a really successful rookie season but it's only a wide receiver three unfortunately.
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C
Right, sure.
- [51:08]
A
Let's go to another one here. Rashad White or Chris Alave of course Rashid Shahid no longer in New Orleans. You know Bucky Irving still, you know, hurt.
- [51:17]
B
Well, good timing. We did not practice. We were recording this officially. Just got word he and Chris Godwin did not practice again today.
- [51:24]
A
Okay.
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B
Okay.
- [51:25]
A
Yeah, that's. I'm not really sure what's going on there in general, but. Yeah. White or Olave? Jake, I'll start with you. Who do you prefer this year?
- [51:31]
B
Rashad White. Yeah, Rashad White. Like, it would have been Rashad. Like, I would have went to Chris Olavi if Bucky Irving was coming back. And not even expecting Bucky Irving to get the full workload coming back, but the fact that he's still not out there on a Thursday. Can anybody tell us what's going on with Bucky Irving and Ricky Piercel? Like, these guys were like, oh, one, two weeks, three, maybe three weeks, and all of a sudden it was like, half the season, and it's like they didn't even put him on ir and it's still like, yeah, they're not back. But anyway, it's Rashad White. Even though I do think Rashad White is splitting more with Sean. Sean Tucker than some people might realize.
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A
Yeah. Pierce hall is at the point where, like, when you get that notification Wednesday, not practicing again this week. I just, like, you have to laugh. Like, I can't. I can't wrap my head around how this thing is gone. Fitz White or Alave?
- [52:13]
C
It's funny. Jake and I were like, normally we have so many disagreements, and this time we were, like, itchy and scratchy fighting over Kymani Vidal, but otherwise, we've been in lockstep. Like, I'm going Rashad White here. Even though he's going up against a Patriots defense, it's pretty much been a brick wall for opposing running backs. But the nice thing with White is that he's a good pass catcher, so he always has that alternative path to fantasy value if he can't get anything done on the ground. I know Olave would seem to have an enhanced target outlook with Rashid Shahid out of the picture, but rookie QB Tyler Shock is, like, he's still trying to find his footing. The Saints are down three starting offensive linemen. I'm just not especially eager to play any New Orleans Saints this week.
- [52:59]
B
Well, and if you. I'm not saying you didn't, because I know you do, but for people out there, if you watch that game, too, it was similar to, like, the situation with Lawrence and Thomas to start this year. Shuck and Lobby were not on the same page the way that Shuck and Shahid were.
- [53:13]
C
Yeah, it did seem like Shahid was his with Shock sky.
- [53:19]
A
Last flex one here Romeo Dobbs or Kenneth Walker fits who do you like better?
- [53:24]
C
I'll go with Dobbs. Jordan Love is probably going to have to lean on him pretty heavily with Tucker Kraft done for the season. Walker's just it's such a frustrating timeshare with Zach Charbonnet and his passing game usage. It's kind of drying up. Hasn't had more than two targets in a game since week one. So I'll go Dobbs Jake, I was.
- [53:45]
B
Going to say can you tell me whether or not it's going to be a week that Walker scores a touchdown? Because they're going to come down if he scores a touchdown. But like to Fitz's point, we're going to keep agreeing here is that it's just like I know Dobbs has been the number one. He's the number one or number two even with Watson getting back to 100% and in the fold they're the top two options until Reed comes back, which is still a few weeks away. And any given week it's Walker Charbonnet one looks better than the other and it always seems to be the one that gets gets fewer touches looks better than the other, which is the weird thing about it. But it should be Walker. But whether or not he gets into the end zone is going to be the difference between if he's just a flex play or top 15 running back. So I would just take Dobbs in that situation.
- [54:23]
A
Quarterback Jacoby Brissette or J.J. mcCarthy this week. Jake.
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B
I I'm just going to shoot for the upside of McCarthy like I know the Raven like and you you have heard me because I've talked to you for two straight weeks now. The Ravens are getting healthy and they're getting healthy in the secondary. But the rushing upside of McCarthy when it comes to quarterbacks and I get to quarterbacks outside of like I have Jared Goff at 12, Sam Darnold at 13, even though he's been remarkably consistent. By the way, did you know Sam Darnold the only two quarterbacks with fewer passing attempts per game? Hertz and Lamar Jackson. That's the conversation he's in for how efficient he's been. Just to throw that out there. I just want to throw it as a nugget. But I'm saying once I get past golf, I'm shooting for upside. Like I just don't want QB17 and I feel like that's what Brissette is. And as Fitz has brought up many times, Seattle not even that good of a matchup. So I'm just going to shoot for the upside of McCarthy.
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I had dinner with a bunch of folks from fantasy pros last night because a handful of them are in out here in Denver for a work thing and one of the founders of the company was asking me about the Ravens defense, just knowing I'm a Ravens fan and what I thought to try and decide if he should make a bet, you know, on the Ravens this week. And I was like, honestly, like, I'm just really interested to see this game. Like, like there's so I could see JJ McCarthy going in any direction. I could see the Ravens defense going in any direction. I could see like Lamar against the Minnesota blitz in any direction. Like, I'm really just quite interested by this game. So I was curious. I really wanted to include him in this conversation to see what you guys selfishly. Yeah, fit. I know you had J.J. mcCarthy as a quarterback streamer that you liked this week. So does that mean that you're gonna go with him or would you go with Brissette?
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I have Brissette ranked one spot higher. I think it's really close. Brissette's just been really good as a passer. So two touchdown passes and at least 261 passing yards in all three of his starts, and he's even adding a little bit of rushing value. Add the touchdown run against Dallas last week and he had 45 combined rushing yards in the two starts before that, so. So I know Seattle's a really tough matchup, but then again, so was Green Bay and he did just fine in that game. McCarthy, to Jake's point, certainly does have more rushing potential than Brissette does, but he's. He's still kind of finding his way as a passer. He's just getting way too many sacks. Like in the sacks are just. They short circuit drives. And that is why he hasn't had more than 158 passing yards in any of his three starts. Oh, and four interceptions too, which obviously short circuit drive. So flashes of promise is a potential for JJ McCarthy, but nothing to suggest that there is a 300 yard passing day lurking around the corner.
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Tight end here. How about George Kittle or Ronde Gadson? I wanted, we do a lot of these like kind of borderline tight end starts a lot. I wanted to do one that was realistic. You could have this setup. You could have drafted Kittle, who's injured early, you picked up Gadsden and now you actually have to make this decision between the big name guy or the guy who's just been very good and, you know, this really awesome surprise the last month. Plus they're ranked two spots apart in ecr. Gadsden ironically, being higher. They're both set the top five. But I think this is a choice that people might have to make. So, Fitz, I'll start with you here. George Kittle or Aranda Gadsden this week.
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This is. This is like a coin flip. I have Kittle ranked one spot higher at the moment, but I've already switched these guys back and forth in my rankings twice. Gadsden, pretty good matchup against the Steelers, who have allowed the third most fantasy points to tight ends. Gadsden with at least five catches and 68 receiving yards in four straight games. But, you know, even though he's done it for four straight games, I can't help but worry that one of these weeks it's going to be Gadsden who's kind of left out of the mix. On a team with three good wide receivers, you know, like he's due to laying egg at some point. And I just wonder if this is the week. Kittle. It's just I know who I think the better player is, and I'm going to go with the better player.
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Jake, we were doing so well. Fitz, we're going to finish on two disagreements here, and it's close. I have Gadsden and you just said something I said the very first Gadsden game. So I don't disagree with you in that facet, is that Gaston is going to get left out and then lad McConkey last week just kind of got left out. And then it'll be Keenan Allen that bounces back, somebody else. Like, this is just what happens when you have four real good options, let alone three options. They have four. The difference is with Kittle, the entire career with Christian McCaffrey. See, a lot of people look at like, and I'm not saying Fisk doesn't know this, but a lot of people look at Kittle and they're like, well, look at all the wide receivers. The difference has been with Christian McCaffrey on the field and his target percentage is almost the same. That being Kittle, his usage is almost the same. But here's where he really gets destroyed. Touchdowns per target with Christian McCaffrey since 2022, when they've been together, 6.8%. With no Christian McCaffrey, 11.8. It's the difference is, is that he. Without Christian McCaffrey, the touchdown equity goes up and that's the difference. So Christian McCaffrey's healthy. Christian McCaffrey's taking all the touchdowns, taking all these targets, everything like that. So that's where I give Gadsden the slightest of edges. I have him pretty much back to back. It's just Kittle kind of takes a hit with a healthy Christian McCaffrey and that's unfortunate. It's a slim margin, but like you, you're not wrong, Fitz. And also the other part that you do say that I agree with is that I know who Kittle is. We're still seeing whether or not Gaston's going to have consistency, but so far it's been working.
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Yeah. Thank you. Now one for three on tight ends. I missed Tyler Warren. I missed Tyler Warren in a week that Daniel Jones threw a billion times and everybody went off except for Tyler Warren. By the way, bounce back candidate. This week I'm going to go for a team that you want to talk Fitz, you want to talk about a team that like what's left in their hearts for playing. How about the Saints? You just brought them up earlier about like not only the trade of all the pieces, the trades, the lost and they gave up four touchdowns in the last three games to running backs. They gave up two touchdowns including Swift and Menon guy in the same game. They gave up one to Sean Tucker. So Rico Dowdle, like Rico, if Rico Daddle's name wasn't Rico Dowdle and like he was like with Chuba Hubbard in that contract we'd be talking about him like oh my God, this breakout running back this year, like you put him on a different team different jersey name, whatever it might be. Rico Data lab is top five play this week unless he gets hurt. He deserves to be in that top tier of running back. So yeah I'm taking Rico data hopefully to bounce back this week for my touchdown calls.
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Fitz, you're on wide receiver.
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I'll go with Stefan Diggs against the Buccaneers. No, no Case on booty. I think that enhances digs usage profile a little bit.
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B
Where do you have Diggs?
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C
I have got Diggs at wide receiver. I think I have as a mid range wide receiver too. Wide receiver 18. How about you?
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B
Okay, same. I was actually considering putting him in front of DK Metcalf though. That's why I was kind of curious of like how move the moving digs up.
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C
Yeah I've got him ahead of dk.
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B
There you go. That he needs to be one spot higher for me. Let you make this decision for me.
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A
As I mentioned I am the lucky one on tight end this week. I'm going with Dalton Kincaid. He's four touchdowns this season. He gets Miami. They're going to win. They're going to score a lot of touchdowns. I'm just going to say that he gets one of them. He's ranked tight end seven this week. So three of us. Yeah, that would have been a lot easier for me. Unfortunate timing for my my turn on tight end. Rico Dowdle for Jake, Stefan Diggs for Fitz, Dalton Kincaid for myself. You can dominate your fantasy football league with Fantasy Pros Premium now available free for six months when you deposit and place your first wager on one of our partner sportsbooks. This is the easiest way to get full access to our top fantasy tools all season long. Go to fantasypros.com premium to get started For Jake and Fitz, I'm Ryan Wormley. Thanks for tuning in. Best of luck here in week 10. We'll see you next time.
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Let's go. Come on Evadel thanks for listening to.
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