Fashion Neurosis with Rosalía

Summary

Fashion Neurosis with Bella Freud

Episode: Rosalía (Nov 12, 2025)
Host: Bella Freud
Guest: Rosalía (Spanish musician, songwriter, and innovator)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Fashion Neurosis" welcomes internationally acclaimed musician Rosalía for an intimate, wide-ranging conversation. Bella Freud explores the intersections of fashion and identity, with Rosalía reflecting deeply on clothing as a form of self-expression, her creative process, personal evolution, family influences, body image, and the synergistic energy between style and artistry. Together, they delve into universal themes—creativity, womanhood, confidence, risk, purity, and the meaning of authenticity—always with the light, honest touch typical of the series.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Fashion as Spell and Self-Expression

• Rosalía’s Outfit and Intentional Dressing

  • Today, Rosalía wears a black cardigan she’s had for years, a black skirt, and Alexander McQueen shoes:
    • “Some days I want my clothes to speak for me. And today I wanted to find the words myself. Clothes can be like a spell…they can change the way your day is going to be.” (02:00)
  • For Rosalía, clothing is often about shaping her energy and presence: sometimes using fashion as her loudest language, other times intentionally dressing to quiet that conversation.

• Bella Freud’s Perspective

  • Bella agrees, noting that the right outfit can “facilitate your intelligence because it doesn’t distract you from your thoughts.” (03:20)

• The Power and Possibility of Fashion

  • Clothes “can take you somewhere, or stop you from going somewhere… Shoes have literally taken me back home when I subconsciously didn’t want to go somewhere.” (03:46–04:14)

Creativity, Writing, and the Body’s Wisdom

• Creative Process: The Power of Rest and Ritual
  • Rosalía writes lying down, often with a pillow on her head and her laptop on her belly:
    • “Otherwise…there’s too much anticipation. Laying…it’s like, okay, nothing needs to happen and then maybe something happens.” (05:00)
    • “You need to erase yourself a little bit… I love that state of about to fall asleep. Sometimes when I’m about to fall asleep at night, it’s when ideas come.” (06:20–06:57)
• Physical Exhaustion and Creation
  • “I feel tired also when I write…there’s exhaustion, and I think laying helps me be less exhausted.” (06:58)

Early Ambition, Family Influences, and the Journey to Authenticity

• Courage and the Performer’s Instinct

  • At 15, Rosalía entered a talent contest, driven by a desire “to see and be seen.” She craved both the intimacy of singing for five people and the thrill of thousands:
    • “I enjoy extreme situations…I wanted to open that door, and I didn’t know how that door…how can you do it?” (08:02–08:50)

• Learning from Early Experiences

  • The contest taught her the value of study and self-determination: “I needed to study so much…the more I change, the more I grow, the more that idea changes with me. And I’m grateful for that.” (09:18–10:16)

• The Written Word and Love of Language

  • Her latest album was born “from the love for words.” Rosalía spent a year in isolation, reading and writing:
    • “Albums were the excuse to use words, but in this case it’s the opposite… I dedicated just one year of reading and writing…” (11:14–12:11)
    • “I find pleasure in contrast.” (12:31)

• Childhood Fashion Memories & Role Models

  • “I loved the crazy colors, puffiness, the volume, anything that occupied space.”
  • Influenced by the women in her family: her mother’s vibrant green coat, her sister’s miniskirts and boxer boots, her grandmother’s scarves and jewelry.
    • “The women in my life…they always put me into fashion, the love I have for fashion is probably thanks to them.” (14:19–15:04)

Personal Evolution: Girlhood, Womanhood, and Self-Viewing

• Transitioning to Womanhood
  • “When I was 28, something started to shift…I started to care less about male attention and more about how I actually feel instead of how I’m perceived.” (15:50–16:56)
• On Parental Modeling vs. Self-Rebellion
  • Rosalía admired her mother’s poise but rebelled against its perfection: “Be a little bit like fuck it, I can be amazing even if I don’t straighten my hair…” (18:29–18:58)
• Confidence in the Thirties
  • “My confidence and how I exist in the world is much better now in my 30s.” (20:08–20:50)
  • On society’s obsession with youth: “What is youth? I like that you extend it to 30 years or maybe even more.” (20:50–21:24)

Body Image, Identity & The Rock Star Aesthetic

• Insecurities as Catalysts for Expression
  • “Anything can be a catalyst for expression. Either a strength or weakness can be the start. My body is an instrument…Through the years I’ve learned to use it with more love.” (22:50–24:44)
• Rockstar Inspiration
  • Grew up surrounded by rock music (Janis Joplin, Prince, Freddie Mercury, Mick Jagger, Lenny Kravitz):
    • “There’s something irreverent in the rockstar look…sometimes when I don’t feel strong enough, a look like that can make me feel strong again.” (25:59–26:42)

Flamenco, Passion, and Risk

• Flamenco as Ultimate Human Expression
  • “There’s so much passion, rage, playfulness, tragedy, fragility, and strength in flamenco…it feels like the most complete human expression that could exist.” (27:28–28:06)
• Intensity in Artistry and Love
  • “In my romantic life…with that passion, it’s a lot of intensity…always very scared to fully show yourself.” (28:57–29:24)
• Risk and Creative Surrender
  • “Risk is when you don’t know what the outcome is going to be…Risk is surrender.” (30:34)
  • “The times that I’ve risked the most are the times that I’ve abandoned myself to the situation.” (30:34–31:00)
  • As an artist, she’s compelled to risk: “That would be my biggest nightmare, to make the same song over and over.” (32:25)

Visual Influence & Collaboration

• Artistic Imagery, Modeling, and Reference
  • Rosalía is inspired by “amazing artists” in photography, painting, and modeling.
    • “Maybe it’s also from studying Naomi and studying Kate and studying the greatest…how they do it in front of the camera.” (36:01–36:54)
    • She admires the physical art of great models: “There’s so much magic in mastering your energy and your corporalities…” (37:30–38:25)
  • On modeling as “mirror/vessel”:
    • “The greatest thing that can happen as an artist is that you erase yourself…become the mirror or vessel…so people can find in you whatever they needed to find.” (39:12–40:17)

Duende, Spanish Artists, and Creative Phases

• Discussing “Duende” (Artistic Soul/Spirit)
  • Found in multiple Spanish artists: Picasso, Dalí, Lorca.
  • “Picasso had something very raw… I admire the commitment in the different phases.” (41:42–42:37)

Managing Grand Concepts & Staying Grounded

• Big Creative Concepts—How to Handle the Overwhelm

  • References to heroic artists: Patti Smith, Marina Abramovic, Kate Bush, David Bowie.
  • “But I just focus on small things…do one thing at a time. If I make a song, I just make a song…if I share it, I just focus on that.” (47:44–48:22)
  • Staying centered with prayer and simple routines:
    • “I try to remember to breathe. I try to pray every night before falling asleep.” (49:41)

• On Envy and Protection

  • “My beliefs can change how I live my life… I truly believe that I’m protected.” (49:54)
  • She looks for signs, like feathers, as reminders that she is safe from others’ negative energy.

Building a Look, Fashion Process, and the Joy of Repetition

• Starting a Look
  • Inspiration can start with any piece: a body part to hide/reveal, nail design, shoes, or makeup.
    • “I have kind of a rule: if you’re creative you cannot repeat an outfit completely; it always has to have a different thing.” (53:29–54:11)
• Makeup as Creative Starting Point
  • Shoutout to Isamaya French’s palettes—“So inviting to build everything around them.” (53:44–54:17)
• Relationship with Nudity
  • “I might be the happiest when I’m completely naked…at home I’m always naked.”
    • Formerly shy but her work (changing in front of strangers) has given her freedom:
      • “I don’t care if somebody is seeing me naked…this is who I am, how God made me.” (54:37–55:52)

Attraction, Authenticity, and Clothing Choices

• What’s Sexy in Others?
  • Effortless leather on men, plain white T-shirts and jeans, messy hair, playful striped T-shirts, and subtle exposure of the midriff.
    • “I love when people don’t have their hair done…I find it so hot.”
    • “When you show this part of the body (indicates lower torso), it's very hot because it's vulnerable.” (58:34–59:47)
• What’s a Turn-Off?
  • Visible feet (on men, not women). Socks are preferred:
    • “Give me socks. I want to see your socks. I don’t want to see your feet.” (60:04–61:23)
• Truth Over Trend
  • “The thing that can kill my attraction the most is if I don’t think what they’re wearing is honest with who they are… But if you’re wearing it with truth, then it’s the hottest thing.” (61:54–62:47)

Purity, Color, and Artistic Influence

• Purity in Fashion and Being
  • “You can find purity in any color… I find a lot of pureness in a dark tone, or a dark outfit.” (64:33–65:52)
• Influence of Patti Smith
  • “Absolutely I love Patti…I wish I could just know everything those eyes know…I just love her—she is a huge reference for me.” (66:09–67:40)
  • “At the end of the day, she just exhumes freedom…irreverence, and I admire that so much.” (69:35–70:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On clothing as incantation:
  “Clothes can be like a spell…they can change the way your day is going to be.” — Rosalía (02:00)
• About creative process:
  “I love that state of about to fall asleep. It’s the most relaxed one. Sometimes when I’m about to fall asleep at night, it’s when ideas come.” — Rosalía (06:20)
• Family’s influence in style:
  “The women in my life…put me into fashion. The love I have for fashion is probably thanks to them.” — Rosalía (14:19)
• On risk and surrender:
  “Risk is so connected to surrender. The times I’ve risked the most is the times I’ve abandoned myself to the situation.” — Rosalía (30:34)
• On creative repetition:
  “My biggest nightmare would be to make the same song, over and over.” — Rosalía (32:25)
• Modeling as mirror:
  “The greatest thing that can happen as an artist is that you erase yourself and you become the mirror or the vessel.” — Rosalía (39:12)
• Truth in style:
  “The hottest thing is if you’re wearing [clothes] with truth. Not enough truth? That’s the most turn-off thing ever.” — Rosalía (61:54)
• Admiration of Patti Smith:
  “She just exhumes freedom and irreverence in her and I admire that so much.” — Rosalía (69:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:36 — Rosalía describes her outfit and dressing intention
• 05:00 — Rosalía on creative process (writing laying down)
• 08:02 — Recounting first big performance and lessons
• 11:14 — Love for language and the writing process
• 14:19 — Childhood/family fashion memories
• 15:50 — Transition from girlhood to womanhood
• 22:50 — Body insecurities as creative catalysts
• 25:59 — Power of the “rock star look”
• 27:28 — Flamenco as total artistic expression
• 30:34 — Risk, surrender, and creative process
• 36:01 — Visual influences; learning from Kate and Naomi
• 41:42 — “Duende” in Spanish art
• 47:44 — Staying grounded amidst grand artistic visions
• 49:54 — Handling envy; sense of being protected
• 53:29 — How Rosalía begins building an outfit
• 54:37 — Relationship with being naked
• 58:34 — What’s sexy or unattractive in style for Rosalía
• 62:47 — Truth in what someone chooses to wear
• 64:33 — Purity, color symbolism, and Patti Smith influence
• 66:09 — Rosalía on Patti Smith’s impact
• 69:35 — Freedom and irreverence as ideals

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Episode Tone and Vibe

The conversation radiates intimacy, curiosity, and self-reflection. Rosalía’s openness is matched by Bella’s warmth and genuine interest, peppered with personal anecdotes and observations. The tone balances poetic meditation and grounded honesty. The depth of engagement between host and guest transforms a talk about clothes into an illuminating exploration of creativity, confidence, and self-love.

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Transcript

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[Narrator/Host]

Hi, come in.

[Interviewer]

Welcome to Fashion Neurosis. Rosalia.

[Rosalía]

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Interviewer]

Can you tell me what you're wearing today and why you chose these particular clothes?

[Rosalía]

Today I'm wearing a black cardigan that I've had for years and I'm wearing this black skirt and this Alexander McQueen shoes that they have this cross, Rosario and ellas. And I've decided to wear this because I think I wanted today my energy and expression to be on the forefront. And some days I think that I want my clothes to speak for me. And today I wanted to find the words myself. And I feel like clothes can be like a spell. They have that power. I feel like, you know, sometimes clothes, they have that power that they can, they can change the way your day is going to be. They can dictate how your day is going to be. And I think that when you make the decision of wearing a certain thing, that can change the way your day is. And I think that today I just wanted to make myself available for this conversation and for words to be more important than what I wear. And I think that this cardigan helps me think and it helps me speak, if that makes sense.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it does make real sense. I think a good outfit can kind of facilitate your intelligence because it doesn't distract you from your thoughts.

[Rosalía]

Right.

[Interviewer]

And so what you've described is such a perfect way of, of like anticipating how you want, what you want to enhance.

[Rosalía]

Yeah, it's. Yeah. Because clothes sometimes, depending the Outfit, it can make something happen or not happen. It can take you somewhere, it can stop you for. From getting going somewhere. Like there are shoes that I've worn that literally they took me back home right away or and maybe subconsciously I.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Just didn't want it to go in first place. So yeah, I try to be conscious.

[Rosalía]

Of what I choose to wear every morning.

[Interviewer]

That's so interesting.

[Rosalía]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And you're a multi award winning musician and you have created this new genre of music which.

[Narrator/Host]

Did I?

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[Interviewer]

I mean it's devoured by your fans all over the world. And you described that when you're writing you sometimes feel so sick you have to lie down. I wondered, is that to do with the intensity of your expectation?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Definitely, I'm sure it does.

[Rosalía]

And actually I think the best results that I get is writing. It's laying just as I am right now. And I was wondering. It's pretty funny that we are doing it like this because I wonder if we will get good results in a conversation like this. As much as I get when I write like this because usually I write with a pillow really on my head. With a pillow on my head, resting my head in a pillow. Then I have my computer in my belly. Then I basically just write like this. And it helps me relax because otherwise I think that I find it pretty hard to just be on a table and a chair trying to create. It's too formal, it's too. There's too much maybe anticipation there.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

You know, while when I'm just laying.

[Rosalía]

It'S like, okay, nothing needs to happen and then maybe something happens.

[Interviewer]

You know, it's interesting how certain positions kind of free your system to.

[Rosalía]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Kind of explore a little bit and then you just note them down when those things come up.

[Rosalía]

Yes, yes. And it helps me kind of shut down a little bit. Which is necessary if you want something to come to you. If you want to be a vessel, I think that you need to kind of erase yourself a little bit. And I love that state of about to fall asleep. Yeah, the state of about to fall asleep. It's the most relaxed one. Sometimes when I'm about to fall asleep at night, it's when ideas come. So I try to find that during the day as much as I can.

[Interviewer]

That's so interesting.

[Rosalía]

And I feel tired also when I write I feel really tired. I feel it's. There's exhaustion and I think that laying helps me be less exhausted, if that makes any sense.

[Interviewer]

I think it's so interesting, this thing.

[Narrator/Host]

Of letting a part of yourself Switch off in order.

[Interviewer]

Or even suppressing something in order to allow something else to come up. And I was reading that you took part in a talent contest when you were 15, which I was such a kind of courageous thing to do. And I wondered where you go to. To draw on that kind of, you know, that courage. You know, the courage to dare to try something like that. I mean, it was a huge success. But.

[Rosalía]

I think that I always wanted to be a performer since I was very young. I've always had the desire, I think, to share and love and be loved and see and be seen. And I think that I. When I was young, I wanted to do that just being on stage, and I had no idea how that could happen. How can. How could I do it in a. In a big dimension also? Because I really enjoy when extreme situations and extreme. Yeah, the extremes. So I find beauty in singing for five people, but I also find so much beauty in singing for thousands. And I think that I wanted to open that door, and I didn't know how that door. How can you do it?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I basically just found that there was this program, and I was like, I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna do this casting, and I'm gonna sing this song.

[Rosalía]

That I've been hearing, and I'm just gonna do this and fuck it. And I did it. And it helped me realize that I needed to study so much, Study music and study the classics and read and, you know, like, I wanted to actually write what I sing and explain stories and be a channel to explain stories and choose what stories I was going to explain. And so basically, it was just a journey, a huge journey of understanding what it means to be a performer and a musician and a writer and how much this has been changing three years. The more I change, the more I grow, the more that idea changes with me. And I'm grateful for that because the.

[Interviewer]

Writing seems such a key part of your work. And the way you use language is so complex and so. So kind of remarkable. You know, you throw out these contradictions, which are really thrilling, you know, to listen to, especially, you know, with your new album and the languages you use, but the words you choose. And I found that very touching because I'm interested in language, and I've been obsessed with language as a kind of tool of power when you're a young girl, especially, and you have no physical power, but you have the power of your words. And there was something that really, that was so affecting reading all the. All the lyrics.

[Rosalía]

Thank you for saying that, because I'M fascinated by music and sounds, but I also have lots of love, lots of love for words. And I think that a lot of times when I've made albums, I think that albums were the excuse to use words, but I think that in this case it's the opposite. And I think that I decided to make an album from the love for words. And I dedicated just one year of reading and writing, just reading and writing and isolation, lots of isolation. And just putting myself in service of that, of just the writing.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Rosalía]

And there are maybe things that I've said in this album that I. I didn't allow myself to say before. And I think I find something. So I find pleasure in contrast.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

And I think that there's some of that in. In the project too.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Really comes through. It's very exciting. Thank you.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I'm glad that you like it.

[Interviewer]

I love it.

[Rosalía]

It makes me happy.

[Interviewer]

And were you obsessed with certain clothes as a child?

[Rosalía]

Oh, yes. I love the crazy colors, colorful outfits. Como se di se pelos. Like anything that had chi. Like puffiness and volume and anything that occupied space.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I think I've always liked that a lot.

[Rosalía]

I definitely was obsessed with my mom's coat, this green coat. She had this long green coat that it was. Not that it wasn't that agradable to touch, it was not so agradably, but the color that was like such a vibrant green, like olive kind of. And I remember her, my mom, wearing this super long, blonde, curly hair with her coat. And it would look so amazing. And I remember I would get obsessed with things that other people would wear, like. Like the women in my life. I think that I remember so much my sister wearing this short, super short miniskirt, the cuadros comos cotes and these boxer boots. And she was the coolest.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Rosalía]

She was the coolest. There was nobody else in our little town that would wear things like that. And she was the coolest. And then my grandma, she would wear scarves and, you know, and gold rings and long nails. Yeah. So, like, the women in my life, they always put me in fashion, into fashion, you know, like the love I have for fashion, it probably is thanks to them. A lot it has to do with them. If I wasn't a musician, if I wasn't a woman who grew up with these women too, maybe I think that I would do such a different thing, and I probably wouldn't have developed the love that I have for fashion.

[Interviewer]

It's great to have those role models who show you how to wear things, especially Going off, you know, out of convention and absolutely being able to kind of go beyond people's judgment of you.

[Rosalía]

Yes. They. They show you that there's possibilities. Like, I love when somebody, an artist, a person, whoever, just shows you that there's. There's alternatives or ways or possibilities different than what we are used to.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

I admire always that.

[Interviewer]

And how did you manage your transition from girl to woman?

[Rosalía]

That's such a great question. Nobody has ever asked me that. I think it was. I don't know if I can mark it on a specific moment, but I definitely remember when I was 28, something started to shift. I remember starting to care less about male attention and starting to care less about what I was actually wearing or what other person would think, if that makes sense. So I would start expressing myself more through what it actually gives me, satisfaction. And I thought that that was such a different way of being in the world. And I started feeling more of a woman than a girl, if that makes sense.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

When I started caring more about how do I feel instead of how am I perceived.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I feel like those journeys are so connected to one's mother as well. And I found that transition quite stilted because my mother didn't guide me, really. And I think it sounds like you have a great relationship with your mother and it. It's an important sort of figura. Yeah. And also these very small. I think being noticed really, as you grow into your womanhood is the kind of reassurance to then, like, explode into it and enjoy it.

[Rosalía]

You mean being seen or being guided?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

Is there any way that. To be guided really, to that? Because the way somebody becomes an adult, fully an adult, it's such a internal thing that I don't know, like, if somebody can really guide you through it, I'm like. It's interesting. I'm interested in if you think that that's possible. Like, I wonder if it is. I would love to know. Because one day I'm.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

One day, if I'm a mother, which.

[Rosalía]

I really hope so, I would love to know how to do that. I definitely, though. I definitely remember that I would rebel a little bit against how much my mom was always so poised, so ready for the day in a way where it was, like, almost annoying how.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

How good she always looked, how amazing her makeup was.

[Rosalía]

Always so on point. And the hair and the this and the that and the heel and everything. And I was like, wait, but you still are. You still have so much value, and you still are so amazing. If you don't do that, you know, so. So be a little bit like, fuck it, I can be amazing even if I don't straighten my hair, put my hair straight every day, or I don't do this and that, like, my value, it's beyond it. And, yeah, I think that I had a phase of that also when I was about to become 30, I think.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it's a real turning point. 30. It feels, yes. I always remember thinking, I'll be so old when I'm 30. But it was only realized that when I turned 30, how young I was. And I suddenly thought, oh, my God, this is great, this 30.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

20 is so loaded with kind of these awful kind of achievements that you're supposed to have made for.

[Rosalía]

Yes, yes.

[Interviewer]

In your case, you actually have made them. So that's pretty incredible.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

But in the end, at the end.

[Rosalía]

Of the 20s, like, I feel like it if we are valued as, you know, what people consider a success or whatever. I feel like, yeah, some came on the end of my 20s, but I think that my confidence and how I. How I exist in the world, it's much better now in my 30s.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. It's relaxing and it is so young. And it's wonderful because you have this experience of life and you. I feel like it's possible to enjoy it more.

[Rosalía]

Yeah, 100%. And I like a lot that you talk about 30s as a moment of youth, because nowadays I think it's so usual to see how much. How much value people put in teenage years or the twenties, as if that's like the best moment. And the youth, the real youth, when what is youth? No, and I like that you extend it to 30 years or maybe even.

[Interviewer]

More, and it goes on.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah, yeah.

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[Interviewer]

And do you think hang ups and insecurities about our bodies can be catalysts for coming up with a new. With a new look, like a different look.

[Rosalía]

Insecurities in the body. I think that actually anything can be an excuse. Anything can be a catalyst for expression. That's why I think that either something that you consider a strength or something that you consider a weakness, both can catalithar. Both can be the starting. Not the starting point, but maybe. Yeah. The excuse that you use to do something, to build something or to destroy something or. Yeah. I think that in my case, through years I've been going to the gym a lot and sometimes more than I needed, sometimes less than I needed. And I think it's been because I find that my body is an instrument to communicate it's instrument and instrument. Instrumentista. So instrumento instrumentista a la vet.

[Interviewer]

Right?

[Rosalía]

You're the. I'm the violin. Who plays the violin.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

And that has taken me to different places and I think that I'm grateful that it's the case because I learned through years how to push less my instrument and use it with more love and learn how to. How my instrument can be masked. Afinado menos mas temperados, edit mas, you know, in a better place, refined. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I love that word. Yes.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Because you often refer to how someone moves and it's as though you're attuned to think with your body. And is there a garment someone wears that draws your attention to this?

[Rosalía]

I think that. What. What draws my attention since I was young, it's the rock star look.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Because at home I love. Yes. Because my. In my family, they would.

[Rosalía]

They would play a lot of rock music, right. So I would know that it's the weekend because they would play music during the week. There would be no music at home. But then I knew it's Saturday, Sunday because of it. And they would. There would always be like CDs of Janis Joplin and Prince and Freddie Mercury, you know, and like all these amazing. Or Mike, Mick Jagger. Like, my mom was obsessed with him and his mouth and his outfits, his pants, tight pants and these volumes here. And I just found it. Or Lenny Kravitz.

[Interviewer]

God, yeah. I love the way.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

That's the best.

[Interviewer]

I know.

[Rosalía]

That's the best. Like this man. I found so much courage in the way he. He styles himself, and I love the way he does it. And there's something irreverent in the rockstar look and that occupies space, and that can be, like, flamboyant and fun. And I really like that. It draws my attention a lot. And sometimes when I don't feel like I don't feel strong enough, a look like that can make me feel strong again. So definitely, I find there's power in it.

[Interviewer]

Because you trained in flamenco, which is a very serious discipline, and it has also the air of being the most sexual dance. And I wondered if it influences your romantic love, the whole restraint and the intensity of it.

[Rosalía]

Oh, wow. Ah.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I mean, I think that there's so.

[Rosalía]

Much passion in flamenco and in that culture in that way also. Like some flamenco artists, they say that flamenco, it's a way of living. It's culture. Right. So there's passion in that way of dancing. In Como Tacone, like, just stamp, you call it. Stamp. Stamp the floor.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

In stamping the floor, there's a rage in it. There's a lot of. A lot of rage. There's a lot of. And complain. There's a lot of complain. And there's a lot of, like, like. And playfulness and tragedy and of fragility and strength at the same time. There's all of it. Like, it feels to me like flamenco is the most complete human expression that could exist. That's a very personal opinion, of course, but because it has it all.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

Like, the whole human experience is condensed in that music and in that dance and in that. That culture. And that's why it's so beautiful, it's so rich, because so many cultures, they came together, they found each other, then it exploded into this. And it's a music and it's a culture that shows that. That merge, that mix. And I think that in my life, in my romantic life, I definitely think that I always. With that passion, it's a lot of intensity, a lot of.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

A lot of wanting to give to.

[Rosalía]

The other and wanting to receive. And I. But I'm also always very scared. I think of the human interaction in terms of, like, love and fully showing yourself and fully receiving the other. So even if I'm so excited about it, I also found it extremely scary.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. It seems the kind of ultimate revealing of yourself to be engaged in that dance, wherever it is, whether it's in a relationship. Relationship or on a stage. It's so raw and so sort of ecstatic.

[Rosalía]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

I've always. I Remember going to see Paco de Lucia, like, when I was a teenager or something, doing Carmen some here at the Sadler's Wells. And I was kind of slightly obsessed when I was young.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yes. I don't blame you.

[Interviewer]

It's so good.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. I wish I would have seen Cameron. Cameron, it's my obsession. Like, he's my favorite artist of all time.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Rosalía]

And they would play together. And whoever has seen these two play together, I think they are the luckiest people in the world.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Rosalía]

I would have loved to.

[Interviewer]

I read that you said you have an appetite for risk, and I wondered what risk means.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Means to you, what risk means.

[Rosalía]

Maybe risk is when you don't know what the outcome is going to be. Why, when you stop controlling risk, is surrender also. I think that risk is so, so connected to surrender. I think that the times that I've risked the most is the times that I've abandoned myself to the situation or the experience. And I find also, like, risk as something that has to do with fun and something I don't always allow myself to experience. And because I think that I'm a control freak. And I think that that's why I think that I like also to take risks, because it takes me to the opposite place where I naturally would live in. I would naturally live in the control where I know. I know what the outcome is. And I think that I, as a human, I learn much more and I push much more when I'm on the other side. And I chose this work, I chose to be a musician and an artist, I think, because that's what makes me always have to take risk. I don't know how to make music in another way.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Like, I wish that I would be content with just making songs and not.

[Rosalía]

I don't know, making a song over and over the same song. There's, like, musicians that they do that and they are. It seems that they are satisfied with that.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

And I can't find satisfaction in that at all. And that would be actually my biggest nightmare, to make the same song over and over.

[Rosalía]

But maybe I'm lying and maybe I'm always doing the same song over and over, just with different codes in different ways. But I'm actually repeating the same shit over and over. Because some people say that artists have obsessions. People have obsessions. No, we do have obsessions. We all do. And maybe those are the leitmotifs that, you know, that we are always our life simply the same themes and the same questions, and maybe we never find the answer.

[Interviewer]

And that's okay, well, you seem to be pushing the boundaries in a way that everyone's responding to with a lot of excitement and delight. And I think it's good to have the sort of things that we know we love because they spark off the new ideas. So sometimes when I. I think if I strand myself trying to find something new and go too far from what's like the two wires going together that spark something. Now I'm older, I. I have more confidence in my methods. But, yes, you're definitely not repeating yourself. Whereas.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

To me, anyway. Okay, so there's hope. There's hope.

[Interviewer]

Well, I hardly think that needs to be your worry at this moment with this amazing piece of work you've just made. And in your photographs, you have this kind of ravishing old master's piety about your poses and. Do you look at paintings for ideas? Because in the pictures I've looked at you, there's quite a lot of light catching, like in Vermeer or in Caravaggio, where there's love that these beautiful kind of attention to, like, you're the element of purity. And also very sensuous, I think.

[Rosalía]

I mean, the only thing that I can actually put on the table when I'm. When I'm being photographed, if that's what you're referring to, like the pictures, I think that the only thing that I can really put on the table is the poses and the energy. So I think, though, that I'm passionate about movies and photographia a lot. And I try to collaborate with people that they see, seem to have a point of view. They seem to have stories to explain. You know, they seem to be excited to explain things and not just capture something, which is nice also. But if there's something pictorical in pictures that you've seen, maybe it's because I've been lucky to be shot by amazing, amazing artists. And I love La Pintura. And definitely there's a lot of poses that I might have.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I might have done that are from a painting that I have seen or sculpture that I have seen.

[Rosalía]

But maybe it's also from studying Naomi and studying Kate and studying the greatest. You know, how. How do they do it when they are in front of the camera and they do it so effortless and gracefully. And I love. I love how Naomi walks. For example, I'm. I can wait for one day to see her again and be like, Naomi, can you please? Because I know her from just a couple times that we've seen each other quickly. And I just can't wait to ask her to teach me. Like, I really would love to just learn how to walk in the way that she does it. And I think that everything. It's like, there's Avecedari Alphabet. There's abecedarios. A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Oh, yeah, everything.

[Interviewer]

Yes, yes.

[Rosalía]

And I would love to learn the. That one.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

Like, I would love to. I feel like I want to be a student of everything. And that's one of the things that through years, I feel like I've been able to experiment with it but not study it all the way. And I would love to study it. I know that some people think they kind of like. Like they kind of like, in Franz. They underestimate model's job.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I agree.

[Rosalía]

You know, and I think that that's so dumb because there's such an art in Master your energy and your itus corporalidades. There's so much magic in that. And I love how close Ebony explain the stories with her face and body and with her styling, too. You know, Like, I think that there's so much beauty to be done in that field. And some people think that models, they just, you know, stand there and leave. And it's so difficult, probably, to be a model and be always colder, you know, always feel like freezing and, you know, like, go through all the shit that they have to go through.

[Interviewer]

They are great artists, those. I mean, Kate and Naomi are. They're just phenomenons. They are just. And that walk you describe of Naomi's, it's just electrifying. Yes. Everyone goes still and it's completely transfixed. And Kate, you know, when she talked about her body being a vehicle for people's ideas to project on, it was such an interesting. Similar thing to that. You said. It's such an interesting notion that that is how you enact your sort of genius by being. I suppose it's a form of performance, isn't it? Yeah.

[Rosalía]

And you become a mirror. Yeah, you become a mirror. I think that the. The greatest thing that can happen as an artist is that you erase yourself and that you disappear and that you become the mirror or the vessel or whatever. Whatever you have to become in order for people to find in your expression or in you, whatever you're sharing, whatever they needed to find. I don't like when people ask you, oh, what did you wanted to say with this? Or in specifics, or what do you expect people to feel? Like what? As if you could. As if you could, like, prepare a specific thing for them to feel, or you could control. Have any have any decision in what is gonna happen. You know what I mean? Like, you're supposed to maybe just follow an urgency.

[Interviewer]

That's great.

[Rosalía]

And then share that, Materialize that, and then have the courage to share it. And then what else is there to be done?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I don't think that there's much more. Much more to be done than that.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, well, that's everything. Like when you described letting go of the outcome, that's when the kind of chemistry takes place. You made an interesting observation. You said, in a cubist painting, which part do you choose? Like, was that that to illustrate the absurdity of reducing so much into one thing. And I was thinking this. Which. Which Spanish artist do you find has the most duende?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Oh, that question. That question is difficult.

[Rosalía]

It depends on the field. Right. But even if we just. Speaking about painters, I think that Picasso has as much duende as Dali or Gala Dali. So it's hard to choose. But I think that Picasso had something. Something different.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. Like, it was very. It was very raw. I like that. And I admire also the commitment in the different phases. Right. In plas. Differentes etapas. I like when somebody decides that they are going through a phase and that's what they're doing, and they get obsessed with it and they. With a color, with whatever. Whatever it is, and then they just let themselves get lost in that. But Dali, I also love, you know, how spiritual some Dali paintings they can be and. Or how, like, bizarre also they could be. And. Yeah, it's hard for me to change. I really like Lorca, too. Yeah, I really like Lorca.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Picasso just never stops shocking you with his brilliance and his.

[Rosalía]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Surprises and how moving everything is. I just love seeing more. More and more of his work.

[Rosalía]

How amazing. Oh, sorry.

[Interviewer]

No, he just seems to be like everything about Spain that has so much imagination and scope and integrity.

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[Interviewer]

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[Interviewer]

And you're able to create these huge artistic concepts for your work and your music. And when I was listening to your new album and how enormous it is and how much there is, and I was thinking about generals and, you know, in like, novels, like, about war, like Les Miserables and these generals who had this huge military plan in their heads and it's vast and they haven't even seen all the land. It's all on maps and. And it's like it almost like you holding this huge thing in your head. And I wondered if you had a heroic figure in art or literature, who you refer to sometimes when you're thinking that big.

[Rosalía]

Mmm, who would it be?

[Interviewer]

Maybe you don't need one. It's you. So successfully.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I gotta say, I gotta say that.

[Rosalía]

There'S definitely so, so many artists that are inspiring, like Patti Smith or Marina Abramovic or like Pinna Bow. Like, there's so many, like, great women. Kate Bush.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, that, that.

[Rosalía]

I mean, a woman being able to produce like that and write like that and sing like that and make videos like that and dance like that and dress like that, like David Bowie or like there's so many, right, that they are so good. But when I'm doing my job, because it can be so overwhelming, the dimension of it, which I cannot complain about it because I really desired it. I really wanted it. I wanted to experience this. I remember when I was younger, I would be like, God, take me, take me as far as you want. Like, push me, push me to the limit. Push me to a place where I think I cannot hold it. Like, take me there because I. I really want to see myself, like at that place where maybe I'm about to, like, crash.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

And.

[Rosalía]

Because I really wanted it. I think that through years it's been building so slowly that I feel like I. I just focus on small things. And that's what really helps me get through the day and really helps me make a plan that maybe is a five year plan, but.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Or ten year plan, but I can still.

[Rosalía]

It still can make sense every day. And I try to just. When I do something, just do one thing at a time. Like, that's maybe the thing that has really helped me still do what I do. Because otherwise, I think I would have burned out at this rhythm of things where everything goes so fast. If I focus on the dumbest shit, like just tight or untied my shoes, or if I speak to someone, I look at them in the eyes, or if I cook, I just move the spoon and I don't try to do anything else. Or if I hear music, I just hear music. And if I make a song, I just make a song. And if I make a plan on how to share that song, because then now it's. Now the song is done, I'm just gonna share it. Then, boom. I just focus on that. But I think that I'm just human. I'm imperfect, and I live in an imperfect world. And then I just try to be closest to what's perfect, which is the divine. And I try to stay close to God as much as I can. And I try to remember to breathe. And I try to remember to pray. Every night before falling asleep, I always pray un padre nuestro. And then I usually do it until I don't remember. I just felt asleep. I just fell asleep. And simple things help me stay in my center.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Because also your stratospheric popularity makes you a focus of envy for some people. And I wondered how you deal with envy.

[Rosalía]

How I deal with envy. It's interesting. I've never been asked that. I think I don't give it too much attention. And I think that my beliefs can change how I live my life and how I perceive life. Right. And I truly believe that I'm protected. I truly believe that. That there's something around me and protecting me. Every time I see a feather in the street or where I'm sitting, I know that's an angel.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

I know that I'm protected. And a friend of mine, one time.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

He told me, sorry, my English is pretty ratata.

[Rosalía]

A friend, one time, he. He said that when you see a feather, that's because an angel is close.

[Interviewer]

I have that.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. It's nearby. And I've seen so many feathers in my life. And I know that I am guided and I'm protected. And because that's a really strong belief I have, I know that even if somebody would.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

How do you say that in English?

[Rosalía]

If they give me a bad eye. Oh, yeah, the bad eye, you call it.

[Interviewer]

How you call it dirty look.

[Rosalía]

We call it the dirty look. They can touch me. Yeah, I know that. That's how protected I am.

[Interviewer]

That's very relaxing, isn't it?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yes.

[Rosalía]

Yeah, I think so.

[Interviewer]

And where do you start with the look?

[Rosalía]

Where do I start with a look? Where do I start with look? Sometimes it's one piece. Sometimes maybe it's the part of my body that I want to show that I want to share or that I want to hide. Sometimes it's the nails that I have, the nail design that I have in my hands that it's so. It's so, you know, camp that it needs that the outfit, it's completely the opposite. Sometimes it can be that I'm excited of shoes, which is also kind of like the case of today. I'm like, I'm really excited of having these shoes in my suitcase right now. So I better just make the best of Osakomo Usarlo. And I really find satisfaction in repetition. And these days, I'm just trying to repeat clothes pieces but challenging myself on how to do it differently than how I've done it before. I've never repeat an outfit completely. I repeat pieces over and over. But I have kind of a rule of Rosalie, if you are a creative person, you cannot repeat an outfit completely. Knits always to have a different thing in it, because that forces me to think.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

That forces me to really be honest on how am I feeling that day. Yeah. You know, and the makeup also, sometimes it's about the makeup. I'm like, let me start today with this, and then I will build around it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

You see, if I want to, like, go crazy with, like, some color. I love Isamaya French.

[Interviewer]

Yes.

[Rosalía]

Amaya. She has the most amazing palettes with her brand of shadows. And those shadows are so delicious and so inviting to just build everything around it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

You know, like, basically put some, like, metallic green in the eye, and then what are you going to do with it?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

Because you cannot just put any color with it. You have to, like, build around it. And I. I think that anything can be an excuse to start a look.

[Interviewer]

And how do you feel about being naked?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I love that question.

[Rosalía]

That's my favorite. At home. Yes.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

At home.

[Rosalía]

I'm always, always naked.

[Interviewer]

Completely naked. Or do you wear something to be naked?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I might be the happiest when I'm completely naked.

[Rosalía]

Maybe it's because when I was at home when I was a kid, or when I started becoming less of a kid, that was not allowed. And I really. I really like to do things that I'm not supposed to, Right?

[Interviewer]

Yes.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. This logic of consciousness contradiction, it's been always there. But I really like being naked. It gives me a sense of, like, freedom and not giving a. And because I've always have to be so presentable or whatever, I think that when I'm at my comfort and my space and my home, I really enjoy that. But also it's something that I used to be very tenel, mucho pudor. I used to be very much like, I don't want to be seen naked. And these days I really don't give a fuck.

[Interviewer]

So. Good.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Like, because of my job, I have.

[Rosalía]

To be naked so many times in front of people that I don't know in so many situations. And it can become so, like. It's a thing that can be also very violent. Sometimes I think I've kind of developed this detachment with the situation of being naked. And I've had kind of like, decided that I don't care if somebody is seeing me naked and how they feel about how my body looks like, and if they want to look or not, if they want to think about whatever, if they want to judge it or not. I'm like, this is who I am. This is how God made me. And I'm going to be walking in this room full of people naked. And that's okay as long as they are okay with it too. Of course. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And is there something that a man wears that you find always attractive in some way? I. I find like a khaki shirt or a denim shirt. I always am interested. I. For some reason, it does something to me.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rosalía]

I really like when a man is capable to wear leather in an effortless way with no effort. Because when a man wears leather with effort or it's not worn enough, it's not worn enough. It doesn't have a story yet, or he's not comfortable with it. I can tell right away.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

So.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Such a good description, you know? So I'm like, okay, if you really.

[Rosalía]

If you're gonna wear leather, you better be. You get. You gotta sell it. You, you, you better be like, ready to wear it. You gotta be like, sure about it.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

And so that's one thing.

[Rosalía]

But I really, I really like when a man just. Just wears jeans, definitely, and white plain T shirt. And they look hot in it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

There's something beautiful about the simplicity of that when they're not trying hard. But I also like when they were men and women when they were. I find it very sexy. When they were just. How do you say?

[Interviewer]

The striped T shirt.

[Rosalía]

Yes. With different colors and. And it can look kind of like playful and so cute.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

And that's so sexy for some reason, you know?

[Rosalía]

And then I really like when people don't have their hair done. When they don't have their hair done, I find it so hot. So sexy. Like, there's something about not giving a fuck that I love. And I say it while. While I've done my hair this morning. And I really like when somebody wears something short and they Showing this part.

[Interviewer]

Oh, yes.

[Rosalía]

You know, when you can kind of see the bone or not. And it's just showing this part of the body because this is a very vulnerable part of the body. So whoever wears something like a crop, but not too crop, let's just say this. This area that it's very hot because it's explaining something about them.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I know.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. And I don't like when men show their feet.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I like when women does it.

[Rosalía]

I find it so hot, but I really.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I find it disgusting. I remember this friend of mine. He's maybe, you know, such a huge.

[Rosalía]

Artist, I would say probably one of the biggest artists in the world right now.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

And he came to the studio and he was like, wearing these shoes that he became barefoot right away.

[Rosalía]

Like, let's say, like, he didn't even took, like 10 minutes, 15 to warm it up and then take off his shoes. He just did it right away. And he just put his feet on the table, like this table. And I was seeing his foot. And even if he had the manicured on that his pedicure was done, I couldn't even find it, not even a tiny bit attractive. I was like, no, no.

[Interviewer]

That's so sweet. Specific.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

That's so good. I don't know. I find it. But I find it so hard when you open the door or somebody opens.

[Rosalía]

The door of their house and they wear just socks.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Like, you know, like, give me socks. Yes, I want to see your socks. I don't want to see your feet. I want to see the color that you chose of your socks and the texture of it and the.

[Rosalía]

The.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

The pattern, if there's any. If you are so, like.

[Rosalía]

Patterning your. In your socks and that.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

I don't know, like, I want to.

[Rosalía]

See all of that because that says something about you, but I don't want to see your feet. Unless. Yeah, Unless we got to a point where I can see your feet.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Because I was going to ask you if you fancy someone and don't like something they're wearing. Does it kill your attraction? So is that.

[Rosalía]

Oof.

[Interviewer]

Is that your arms?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Are that feet? Yes, I guess so. I guess so. I think so.

[Rosalía]

The thing that can kill my attraction the most is if I don't think that what they're wearing is honest with who they are. If, if they. Cuz it can be whatever. Like it can be the, the. The funniest T shirt, the ugliest T shirt, the most. The classiest T shirt. It can be the more. The most distressed even like with stains. I don't care. Like it can be the, the thing with. I don't know what somebody could consider tacky. Whatever. It can be whatever. But if that's who you are and that's how you felt that morning, if that's who you are today and you're wearing that with truth, then it's the hottest thing. If you're wearing it with enough truth, not enough truth, then that's the most torn off thing ever.

[Interviewer]

Because in a way, bad clothes can be really sexy if they're worn. How? Without any kind of self consciousness. You think?

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Absolutely. Oh, sweet.

[Interviewer]

Like even more.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yes, it's an endearing. Yeah, it can be so endearing.

[Rosalía]

Yeah, it can be so like tierno. It's like a kid. Tender.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, right.

[Rosalía]

Like, like when you see a kid that it's just wearing that because she, they, they felt it, then that's the most beautiful thing. And it could be maybe considered that it's not combined well enough. But you wouldn't say that to a kid, right? You wouldn't say, oh, you didn't combine that well.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Why would we do that to an adult? You know what I mean? Like if it made sense for an.

[Rosalía]

Adult like that, then it made sense for them like that. And I respect that because.

[Interviewer]

You'Re looking, wearing. I mean today you're beautifully encased in black. So that your vocabulary and your, your mind is it. That's the focus of, of this experience. And but with the new record Lux it you're looking at wearing more angelic kind of clothing and even some wings and halos and, and I wondered what purity means both as an aesthetic and as a moral compass. And you know, what's the underlying kind of drive for you with that, that illumination and the discipline?

[Rosalía]

That's such a great question. I think you can find purity in any color. I think, I think that of course, because of our tradicion cultural, because of our cultural tradition, we associate pureness to white. And maybe it's because there's Also so much beauty in light and in white and every color that can have light in it. But also I find a lot of pureness in a dark tone or a dark color or a dark outfit, if that makes any sense.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah, it does.

[Rosalía]

Dark brown. There's a density in it. Or just black. I really find so much beauty in it, and I. Sometimes I think that we associate the black, the color of black with negative stuff, and I really would like. Or just dark stuff, and I really would like that. It's not like that, because I don't.

[Interviewer]

And I saw a picture of you and Patti Smith on Instagram recently, and she seems someone who's able to combine purity and resilience into her value system. And I wondered, is she an influence? Has she been an influence on you?

[Rosalía]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I love Patty. I love how she's capable to have such a strong energy on stage and so much to say. And every time I see her, she's so vibrant. And her eyes, you look at her eyes and you can see that she's experienced so much. Like, there's so much in those eyes, like, in so much knowledge. Like, I wish I could just, like, know everything. I could just listen to her and know everything she. That those eyes know, you know? Like, I think that she's so generous in her. In the way she exists and.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that's.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. And I love how brave she is, and I love that she wears her braids.

[Interviewer]

I love her braids.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yes. It's so beautiful.

[Rosalía]

And I'm just fascinated by her writing and her. The way she spits on the. On stage still to this day, and how passionate she is. And I just love her. She is a huge reference for me. And I think she gets to manage, at least it seems to me. I would love to know what she thinks, but she seems to handle contradictions in such a graceful way because she's human and she lives in this world. But she still, like, sings about what she sings and she cares about what she cares. And I just. I just really love her. She's the best.

[Interviewer]

She is the best.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

She really is the best.

[Rosalía]

Like, the world needs.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. She always surprises you again and again. I've seen her so many times, and every time I learn something new.

[Rosalía]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

About how to express things.

[Rosalía]

Yes, 100%. And the way she breaks her voice, the way she can have her voice being so gentle, yet she can, like, break it and make it be so, like, pal.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rosalía]

It's incredible to me. I hope that when I'm 78, I. I have Found at least half of that expression and that. That I can access that. Yeah, half of. At least half of how she accesses it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. She kind of. She's such a wonderful representation of femininity because she does all of it. She does the soldier and she does the girlish and she's so pretty with her braids and that when she looks shy and then somehow her language never fails. It's always on point and she kind of gives you courage, I find.

[Rosalía]

Yes. She's. She has mass mastered, I think what being a human is.

[Interviewer/Assistant]

Yeah, I think that she really, she really is my favorite human.

[Rosalía]

She really is like, I think, wow, that is me. That human exists. Being a human can be that. You can be all of it at the same time. You can be, as you said, like she's all of those things and she's all of it at the same time with so much truth. And so I think that at the end of the day, she just exhumes freedom. So much freedom and irreverence in her and I admire that so much.

[Interviewer]

Well, thank you so much, Rosalia, for being. Being on Fashion Neurosis.

[Rosalía]

Anytime.

[Interviewer]

I had so much pleasure talking together and watching you. So thank you so much.

[Rosalía]

I hope that we have more opportunities to share together.

[Interviewer]

I would love that.

[Rosalía]

Yeah. Because this was very, very sweet. Very nice.

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