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Lauren Sherman
This is Swap, the E Commerce OS for global commerce. We unify the fragmented world of e commerce ops into one intelligent ecosystem. Cross border returns, tax and compliance all connected in real time. We turn manual workflows into automated systems, fragmented tools into one clear view. For brands expanding across borders or just tired of duct taping e commerce tools together. Swap brings strategy to your operations and time back to your team. No more silos, no more guesswork, just commerce coordinated. This is E Commerce evolved. Go to swap commerce.com that's swap commerce.com to learn more. You know those little habits that quietly upgrade your whole day. For me, it starts the moment I wake up with a giant glass of water. The breakfast of champions. Before coffee, before making my kids lunch, I grab a bottle of Fiji Water to get hydrated. Because hydration is my number one priority in life. Seriously, Fiji Water isn't just refreshing. It's Earth's finest water. It comes from the islands of Fiji, filtered through ancient volcanic rock and naturally preserved from external elements. It's bottled at the source and untouched by man until you unscrew the cap. Here's what makes it different. Fiji Water has a perfectly balanced 7.7 ph and has more than double the electrolytes as the other two top premium bottled water brands, giving its signature soft, smooth taste. Unlike the other two top premium bottled water brands, Fiji Water's electrolytes are 100% naturally occurring. Fiji Water is also leading the way in sustainability. Since 2022, their 330 and 500 milliliter bottles have been made using 100% recycled plastic. Fiji Water is the number one premium importer bottled water brand in the US and it's easy to see why Fiji Water is Earth's finest water. Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line Sheet Internet. With me on the show is Becky Malinski. We're here talking everything from jean shorts and running tights to men's trousers and the Sotheby's Birkin auction. As an added bonus, Puck's very own Dylan Byers joins me to recap the fashion at the annual Allen & Co. Conference in Sun Valley. Happy Tuesday everyone. Hope you had a great weekend keeping things relatively short today because we have two guests. First up is Dylan, then Becky is here. But you need to also check out this week's line sheet. Not only do I have a very fun Devil Wears Prada SQL Scoop on Monday, but I also looked at the true avalanche of press, mostly bad that LVMH endured last week and what it says about the state of that business and what it doesn't. Plus some new reporting on biz numbers there and some employee thoughts about recent executive changes and my own thoughts looking big picture at what's happening at that truly fascinating company to cover. Also, in Tuesday's issue, we were lucky enough to publish an excerpt from Michael Grimbaum's excellent new book, Empire of the Elite, Inside Conde Nast, the Media Dynasty that Reshaped America. And I'm very excited to run this excerpt and also, you really should buy the book. The excerpt is focused on Anna in the late 1990s and the Met gala and her work there and all the stuff you really wanna read about. The book's really great. I loved it. And Michael's gonna be on the podcast later this week to discuss it. Also, if you're going to one of his book parties in New York this week, text me and tell you. Tell me, text me and tell me what you hear. I was this close to coming out for it, but that would have been completely insane. Michael, have another book party in la. I will be the first person on the list. First person to show up, last to leave. Let's get started with Dylan and Becky. Dylan Byers, welcome back to Fashion People.
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Dylan Byers
Hello, Lauren. It's really good to be back.
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Lauren Sherman
Your annual check in from Sun Valley or post Sun Valley. How was it?
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Dylan Byers
Roving correspondent? It was fantastic. It always is. I mean, just like, first of all, it's idyllic. It's an incredibly beautiful part of the world. It's a great time of year. It's the most, I think we brought this up last year. It's the most unbuttoned and laid back. All of these folks are because despite my presence there, they're not that many reporters there. And I think there's generally an expectation that no one is going to harass them, so they walk around rather freely. Many of them are kind enough to come out and meet me on the sidelines. It's great. It's one of from a reporting perspective, it's actually one of the best weeks of the year.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, it feels like, because you always have a sort of a scoop dump at the end. It feels like Fashion Week to me. And there were a couple people I know who were there who were like, are you here? I was like, maybe I should go next year.
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Dylan Byers
You should come next year.
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Lauren Sherman
We can do a fashion. Did your family go with you or no?
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Dylan Byers
They did. They did not this year. There were, there was a time several years ago when we had one kid and he was still in diapers, that Kara and the kid came and then I might bring them out again because it really is the other great thing about the conference for those who attend is they invite everyone to bring their kids and then they entertain them. I mean, probably like, you know, like three babysitter camp counselor types per kid or something like that. So it's a great atmosphere.
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Lauren Sherman
I actually saw, I saw the schedule for the kids. Someone sent it to me.
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Dylan Byers
Bouncy atmospheres, water slides. Yes.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, they, and they each have a babysitter from 7am to 10pm at night. It sounds amazing.
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Dylan Byers
Can you imagine the NDA that those babysitters have to sign?
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Lauren Sherman
So insane. But yeah, it sounds so nice there. And just one logistics question.
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Dylan Byers
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
So like you're there. So people is how do you meet with people? Is it really private or do they just know? Like you're the kind of person that talks to billionaires all the time and no one's like nervous about meeting with you at a coffee shop or whatever. Like, where do you all meet?
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Dylan Byers
There's like, yeah, so there's a, there's a Valley Village which they do not close out. The lodge itself has been closed off for about a decade ever since Charlie Gasparino from Fox Business got too aggressive at the bar in the lodge and, and got every, all of the journalists kicked out. And then there was sort of a conventional wisdom, I think among reporters that it wasn't worth going because the indignity of sort of standing at the door shouting questions at, at all of these folks who sort of, you know, the, the Ted Sarandos and Sherry Redstone sort of give you a wave and then go into the building and like, you don't need, you know, David Zaslav to come over for five minutes and give you the usual fluff. But if you just retreat a little bit and go back to the cafe, which is called Candidari, it's a very sort of like Swiss ski chalet style cafe. They all walk by there. I usually arrange, let's call it six to eight meetings ahead of time. On top of that, you'll meet with someone and they'll see someone and they'll introduce you to that person. So I usually walk out with more sources than I came in with and you know, look, I mean there's, there are certainly some folks, there's, there's one executive who I would meet with regularly who said, texted me and said, I actually I'm not going to meet with you because I don't want to be seen with you. But by and large, most executives, I think, are comfortable enough in their power and influence and wealth to not worry terribly about the optics of being seen talking to a reporter. And I'm not the only one. There are reporters from CNBC and Bloomberg who also take some of these meetings on the sidelines.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I feel like my people who are there that it would actually be very valuable for me, but given that I travel that already so much, I'm going to leave you. Leave you to it. But I might.
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Dylan Byers
You can have Paris and Milan and.
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Lauren Sherman
I might give you a couple assignments next year. Okay. So this year you were a very good fashion reporter and sent me many texts. What did you think of? Because here's the thing. The reason I become obsessed with this in the last three or four years, and especially since I joined Puck, is what these people wear says a lot about the state of the luxury industry, which I write about, which is in sort of tumult right now, and what they choose to, if they decide to be flashy or if they decide to be understated or they wear a lot of merch or they wear a lot of a certain brand. It does indicate something to me and gives me another data point. What did you notice this year compared to other years of how people dress?
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Dylan Byers
Well, let me start with the usual. I think the same caveat I gave last year, which is, I wish, Lauren, that I could just borrow your eyes for the week, because I am, I am woefully ill informed when it comes to designers and being able to identify designers on the executives and other masters of the universe who walk by. So apologies in advance. What did I notice? First of all, there are moments of their accents amid this group. Moments of very intentional, thoughtful, designer savvy, sartorial choices. I would say that general. Just to make sure we don't overstate it, there's sort of a uniform here, which basically comes down to like a polo shirt and khakis and hokas, you know what I mean? And that's like, it looks very good on Bob Iger. It probably looked better in Iger's first iteration as Disney CEO when he was a little bit younger. But I think more the more he still looks great. He looks great. He looks great. But. But the sort of more average is like Ted Sarandos, who's more or less wearing the same. Same thing. But, you know, there are. And then you get folks like Alex karp, who like seven times out of 10 will be in his biking Gear. Right. The notable things, I think from a fashion perspective are the Wendy Murdochs, the Ivanka Trumps, and by the way, Ivanka and Wendy were sort of like thick as thieves, you know, like I saw them together on multiple occasions. Vivi Nevo. I think on the men's side there was, there was actually there was an executive who you and I were texting, who you mentioned to me who made a very bold and declarative choice with his eyewear.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, the, the chairman of Ferrari. Elk.
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Dylan Byers
The chairman of Ferrari. That's right.
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Lauren Sherman
He, this is like a thing he does generally if you Google him that he's wearing these crazy wraparound sunglasses all about town and in Europe.
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Dylan Byers
So I guess. Yeah. And so I guess, you know, did I notice everything different? I think there, there were, there are a few folks there who try to make statements and again, you would understand what those statements were and why they matter more than I would. I'd like to say that the majority of it is sort of a quiet luxury, but in many cases it's, it's, it's just a little bit more bland and plain than that. You don't, you know, like Eddie Q, I've sort of learned is like a big like Loro Piana guy. But like you're not expecting like great fashion statements from Eddie Q. So, so there, so there, there's, there is sort of a lot of that. But there is, especially among the women, there are moments. They're notable moments.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I would say that you texted me that you saw a lot of Kate Totem and Hermes handbags. And what I will say is a. You spelled, you definitely spelled Kate right, which I was very impressed.
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Dylan Byers
Google is a powerful, powerful tool and.
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Lauren Sherman
That was interesting to me because Totem is this brand that is very understated, very Carolyn Bassett Kennedy, but is and is not cheap. It's expensive, but it's not high end. So a bag is $1500 instead of or $2000 instead of 5000 or 7000. A pair of pants you can get for under a thousand bucks in many cases. And so it's become this sort of wardrobe staple for that set. And it does incredibly well. It's a Swedish brand. The Ellen Kling who's the co founder with her, her husband is. They lived in New York forever and now live in Sweden. But it has performed incredibly well in the US and is a big business. And Kate is a stripes backed private equity backed fashion brand by Katherine Holstein, New York based. And Kathryn Kate is Kate Holstein. She has a very interesting background because she worked at the Gap, but she's also like just a great designer. So she's very product driven. Everyone, including our very own Alex Bigler, has this one pair of sandals that she did this summer. So I thought that was interesting. I mean, to me it felt boring. And there is, and Becky and I get into this a little bit more later on the show, but it felt like people were not. Last year they really went for it.
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Dylan Byers
Yeah, I would agree with that.
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Lauren Sherman
And this year they didn't. And that does sort of reflect that, you know, stuff is not going super well. The other big thing I thought, and again, I mentioned this briefly with Becky, but the Getty Images photographers need to do more full length shots. I don't need to see these. Thank you. Thank you. Because they, I don't need to see these people's faces that close up. I'm, I'm very interested in cosmetic maneuvers. But that to me was the big thing of like, I want to see what pants people are wearing, I want to see what shoes people are wearing. And also it has just become this like, big thing that you, you'd imagine that they would, they'd want to go for it. But yeah, what, who is your favorite of the week? And also, do you get to see them at night? Because they all get very dressed up for these dinners.
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Dylan Byers
Yeah, that's the problem. I don't really, because what happens is they're programmed at night, either at the lodge or they're a night, at least one night where they reserve some restaurants in town and then sort of ferry them on buses into town. And I suppose if I were, if I were doing the paparazzi thing, which maybe next year with you in mind, I will. But, but no, I don't see them at night. And so again, you know, I'm just even going through some of these Getty images and Bloomberg images and there is just a lot of, there, by the way, there are a lot of vests. And you know, one notable thing is like you get Evan Spiegel, who's a guy who like, I think a few years ago wouldn't have been caught dead in a Sun Valley vest. And now he's on CNBC rocking the Sun Valley vest. There was a Wall Street Journal article about hats about these.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, Becky and I get into this.
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Dylan Byers
And look, I, I, I would say favorite, I was going to say Vivi, I, you know, Diller, I think Diller's always very comfortable in his own skin.
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Lauren Sherman
He looks great. He looks pretty.
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Dylan Byers
Striped shorts. He was on a bike ride. Yeah. DVF always looks great. There is the God. Who is it? The Ali. The. The wife of the von Furstenberg prince.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, yes.
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Dylan Byers
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Diane von Furstenberg's daughter in law.
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Dylan Byers
That's right. She had a very sort of understated, you know, probably like designer sweatshirt that sort of looks like a college sweatshirt. Good jeans. That sort of vibe at least is something marginally more interesting than the vest in the khakis.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, yes, I agree. I would say this is my advice to Allen and company. First of all, they need to let the reporters back in.
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Dylan Byers
Yeah, please.
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Lauren Sherman
Second of all, they need a new merch designer. I'm happy to help. Reach out to me. I'll put you in touch with some good people also. Again, we have great merch at Puck. We could give them some advice. But that's the thing. I think it's cool that they were all wearing merch, but the merch needs to get better.
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Dylan Byers
It could use an upgrade.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. This is in 1999, Microsoft. We need good merch in. In this town.
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Dylan Byers
That's right.
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Lauren Sherman
A shout out to the. I believe it's spire of. Of Tishman Spire. That couple, I think always looks great.
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Dylan Byers
Yes.
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Lauren Sherman
They don't get dressed up, they just look normal. But I think they just always look really, really nice. And they have great taste, as you can see, in the development of their properties. So I am a big fan of theirs and always curious. So Sarah Blakely was dressed like Ally Lauder in Landman and she needs to not do that again.
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Dylan Byers
I will make one last shout out as we go. It's the obvious one. Karlie Kloss.
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Lauren Sherman
Gorgeous looks.
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Dylan Byers
Phenomenal. Looks gorgeous. It's phenomenal as a.
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Lauren Sherman
So good. I don't know what that polo was. It might have been a lie. It might have been top 10. But she looked great. Dylan, this was so fun. I'll see you. Welcome home.
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Dylan Byers
Thank you.
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Lauren Sherman
Becky Malinsky. Welcome back to Fashion People number one co host.
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Becky Malinski
Thanks so much for having me back.
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Lauren Sherman
So Dylan just popped on to talk Sun Valley Fashion and I was curious as someone who is, I would say, particularly educated or uniquely educated in the wardrobes of the rich and famous or just the rich, just a little famous. What did you think of what was going on there fashion wise this past week?
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Becky Malinski
There wasn't a ton going on fashion wise. I didn't see a ton of pictures, to be honest. It was sort of like trying to backtrack in Google Image. It was just a lot of the same, very few people and not a lot happening. In terms of fashion, I read there was a WSJ article. I think it was about the baseball hats.
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Lauren Sherman
I needed to discuss this with you. Okay.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah, I liked that article. So then I went back and I started looking at that. So I was like, oh, there's a free Press hat. There's the WB Superman hat they're talking about. Like, I started looking around.
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Lauren Sherman
I, I gotta say, this is not an article. I saw the headline. Now that I understand that it's merch and that there was. Look, Bari Weiss was there. It sounds like she might be getting bought by David Ellison. Like there's, there's all this stuff going on. So I understand. And, and I guess Zaz was wearing a WB hat. Great. Where are the puck hats? I think next year we have to make sure that happens. But the one little, tiny little tip I'll give you is if you go on Getty Images, they will you just. Essentially I just type in Sun Valley most recent. And I just spend three days on that scrolling through.
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Becky Malinski
I know, but I did that. There's just not a lot happening. It's sort of like old jeans, old shirts and cardigans.
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Lauren Sherman
I was also. And Dylan and I got into this previously and we wanted to all chat together, but it just wasn't possible timing wise. But I think, yeah, my big challenge, because I am talking to people who are there while they're there. And occasionally we do discuss this part. We mostly, I would say most of the conversation was about whether or not Lauren Sanchez bid on the Birkin, which, you know, I really. Everything I've heard from people close to her is that she did not. I think she probably registered like every other billionaire, but did not end up bidding. I, you know, who. The world. Who never. Who will ever know. But we can get more into the Birkin later. But the conversation about the clothes does happen. The thing I will say is the Getty Image and I asked Dylan to go up to them and I'm not, you know, obviously he didn't. But the Getty Image photographers, like, they're doing these close crops of these people's faces and no full length shots. When you have Karlie Kloss there. When you have, you know, Josh Kushner there, like these, these people who dress nicely and you're not getting the full. You're not getting a full shot of Wendy Dang, like the. Or Wendy Murdoch. I don't know what she goes by. Getty Image also doesn't seem to know. But this is the. I would say I think there is actually A lot of interesting stuff happening there. Like Dylan's text to me was, there's a lot of Kate, There's a lot of totem, and there's a lot of Hermes bags.
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Becky Malinski
Right. And I didn't see any of that.
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Lauren Sherman
No. And so that's the part of it. I just think they do better. Getty Images. I really need you to. I also wrote this, but the baseball caps thing look like. I don't know. I. When I saw this headline was like, this was not. This was not an article approved by your ex editor, Dale. Anyway, Becky's a former Wall Street Journal journalist. She can't make fun. But I was just like, come on. But I get. I don't know. It's. It's not.
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Becky Malinski
I saw Priscilla Chan was in a Sakai T shirt. I saw a slight crop, like, because we talked about crops of a high sport pant. I saw. I was really looking for details. It was so hard to find anything.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm glad one person was wearing a high sport. There. There were.
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Becky Malinski
There really were just like 10 people photographed. It felt like, you know, I'm like, how big is this conference? Because 10 people are getting photographed.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, there are. There aren't that many people who go, but it. I didn't even see Priscilla Chan in my scanning or Zuckerberg.
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Becky Malinski
But you have to. I typed in Allen and Co. And then just most recent. Maybe you have to go back.
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Lauren Sherman
No, there. I probably just missed it because I. I look very closely also. But it. It's. Yeah, it's. It. It wasn't great. Hopefully next year it'll be better. And on a. On the final note on this, I just think their merch that they do for the conference needs to get better. It's just. It's not good enough. And a lot of people were wearing it this. This time. Maybe that's why Sam Shub. Is it Shub or Shuby Shub at. At the Wall Street Journal decided to do this caps thing because there was like a heavy amount of sun. Sun Valley, Allen & Co. Merch. And I, I, you know, I just wish they would have someone in our world consult on the merch. Anyway, that would be a good idea.
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Becky Malinski
Wait, before we move on, did there is this one woman on Instagram that like tracks it?
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, she's amazing.
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Becky Malinski
I started following her. She's hilarious. So shout out to her.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, her name is Karen. Let's look her up.
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Becky Malinski
I'm like, I have to look at following Most recent.
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Lauren Sherman
She only comes up in my Instagram when Karen Bard Seah Yes, Karen Bard, say it. She does a great job. Her in my Instagram story she suddenly appears every, every July and she follows very, very closely. And if you're interested in what the billionaire media titans and their wives and their husbands are wearing, you should follow, follow her because she does a very close read of the clothes and she also mentioned that she thought it was super boring this time. One of the great things about Instagram are the critics who have emerged on there who actually feel like they have some authority on the subject. And you're, they're, they're people you've never heard of, but they're really fun. There's also a person who does red carpet whose name I'll never remember right now, who I started following like six months ago, who's really good and has like no business doing it, but is so spot on and, and much more educated about fashion than most of the people people who are commenting on red cover post. But someday I'll find my name for you. This is Swap, the E Commerce OS for global commerce. We unify the fragmented world of e commerce ops into one intelligent ecosystem. Cross border returns, tax and compliance all connected in real time. We turn manual workflows into automated systems, fragmented tools into one clear view for brands expanding across borders or just tired of duct taping e commerce tools together. Swap brings strategy to your operations and time back to your team. No more silos, no more guesswork, just commerce coordinated. This is E Commerce evolved. Go to swap-commerce.com that's swap commerce.com to learn more. I'm Kristen Press. And I'm Tobin Heath. We're World cup winners, Olympians and the.
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Lauren Sherman
So moving on, I guess this is a we can segue quickly. What I wanted to do with you is we're going to talk a little bit about what's going on in the news, but I wanted to do a five things with Becky Malinsky. So the, the Sun Valley stuff, that was a bonus. But a five things because you have this amazing newsletter called five Things. It's the biggest hit. It's a giant, giant substack and also just A giant entity that has become brand in its own right. I wanted to go over five things that you and I have been like, sort of talking about in our conversations. And then also I threw in a couple little news bits there. But maybe we can discuss, since there are a lot of men who attend The Allen & Co. Conference in Sun Valley, maybe we can talk about men's pants. Because we had this conversation, I don't know, probably three or four months ago, and I asked you next time you come on the podcast, can you talk about this? But I just feel like there's a real issue with men's trousers not fitting and jeans and chinos and all of this stuff. Like, across the board, when you look on the red carpet, it's a big problem. But you walk down the street, it's a big problem. And can you, as a personal stylist and a fashion editor and someone who's done a lot in the menswear space and understands tailoring and fit and all of that, without getting like to Twitter menswear guy E for us, like, what's going on? Why do you think that all these pants are so ill fitting?
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Becky Malinski
Great question. A lot of it, I think, has to do with men understanding their size. Men's sizes can fluctuate the same way women's can, I don't think. And I think they're. Men can be very rigid. And this is my size. This is how I've always worn it. Men's bodies change as they get older as well. So trying things on and really taking a step back and paying attention to the way things fit you is just as important for men. And I don't think a lot of men do that. So I think that is part of it. I don't think across the board, all pants fit bad. There are pants that fit well. I mean, honestly, like Dockers is a brand that fits well and it's not expensive. Incotex page Pants fit well if you buy your size. One of the things I think it's changing a lot is rises are going up, but a lot of men are really stuck in a low rise and don't want to make that change. But it would look a bit better if they would embrace it. So I think that's one of the subjects. But pants are just hard. And I also think a big problem with suiting in particular is that suits are sold as a set, you know, so it's sort of like if you need the next pant size, but that jacket's going to be huge on you. They'll just say, oh, well, we can let that out, we can tailor it, but that's not always the case. So I think there's just so much has to be tried on and adjusted and there's not a lot of patience in that department. So I think that's kind of the biggest problem. But that doesn't. I don't know if that helps.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, it kind of explains it a bit, but if we can rewind a little bit because it's a red carpet issue too.
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Becky Malinski
That is true.
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Lauren Sherman
And, and those people have tailors and that's also a mat. Yes. And. And I would say a lot of times these men are, have male stylists. And look, there are a lot of incredible male stylists. And I would just like to shout out Michael Fisher right now, who styles John Mulaney and a bunch of other people. And I think he does a really good job. Like, this is a person who just emerged. I, I really don't care about John Mulaney other than I do like his TV show. I've not, I don't watch stand up, but I just noticed all of a sudden in the last two years or so, not only does he have, like a very cool, beautiful wife, but he also is suddenly dressing extremely well. And I happen to like it. But also the clothes really fit him super well. And yes, he's like a pretty standard size. He doesn't seem to have. He's like straight and doesn't have like a lot of stuff going on. But there are, I mean, obviously there's Warren. Alfie Baker is also really great. But, but like, do you think it has to do. Does it stem from, like the skinny jeans Ludlow suit era and guys just like never getting out of it or. It just is an interesting I thing to me.
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Becky Malinski
So I guess my question is to you. Yes, I do think it is partially sort of things being too, too narrow on the bottom and then everything kind of falling down because men don't have the same hips women do that the clothes can sit on. They have to kind of be held up. That's why men always wear belts. So I think a straighter pant is naturally going to look a bit sharper and cleaner if you're anything other than very slim and six feet tall. And a lot of people are still stuck in a very narrow pant. But my question is, where, where are you feeling the pants aren't fitting? Like when you're walking down the street, I guess it's a red carpet or walking down the street, like where do you see as the most problem area?
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Lauren Sherman
I think the two things are. It's. This is the thing that. That bothers me. Liz Goldwyn was on Friday's episode talking about these high water pants, which I actually think fit well. Like, I get what she's saying. It's very annoying. But at least those pants are super straight and they're hanging loose off the body. And so it's like I. I just think like, everybody's jeans are too tight. Or the chinos. Like, this came up because Dan, my husband, was looking for a lightweight pair of chinos and he was like, I want five pocket jean chinos. And I was like, it doesn't exist. I think it doesn't exist.
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Becky Malinski
I bet he could get it at Sid Mashburn.
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Lauren Sherman
Sure. We won't encourage him.
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Becky Malinski
We won't encourage.
- [33:14]
Lauren Sherman
Look like, we go to the. We go to the Brentwood Country Mart, hit up Sid Mashburn. Yeah, honestly, Sid Mashburn's a little too preppy for him.
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Becky Malinski
Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
I love them.
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Becky Malinski
But then a pocket khaki is gonna be too preppy for him.
- [33:25]
Lauren Sherman
It doesn't exist. It's not real. They're all the ones he got were like, stretchy. You know, where we went is to Buck Mason, and he got a plain chino that is a little higher on his waist, which is something that, like, he has a belly. He doesn't. He's gonna love that. I'm like this. He doesn't wanna really wear a higher waisted thing all the time, but he will, like, he's like, into fashion. Whatever. This is a perfect pant. I think the. Chris Black and I discussed this a couple weeks ago. The giant ficino is like, even though it's not giant. That's not my husband's thing. He just wants like a chino. And, and he and our friend Nick were talking about this, and Nick is like, skinny, probably six feet tall. And they're just the. I. I think, like, generally it's just. There isn't a lot of guidance on what the, the pants are supposed to look like because of the fact that any celebrity you see, most of them are not wearing their pants in the appropriate sizing. I just feel like either it's too tight or they're just like, saggy or they don't. There's not a lot of understanding of how to get them to just like, hang straight. And I. And I think, like, I actually think the Twitter menswear guy has, has been helpful to a lot of men on the Internet, which is Interesting, because he, he's kind of obviously annoying, but I do think he has helped, like a lot of regular guys who are on Twitter, get their. Get their shit together. But I just. There's no. Because men are reticent to change. There's no sort of guidance on where to move. And it looked like women wear pants that don't fit all the time, but.
- [35:22]
Becky Malinski
It'S, it's just more noticeable in a man's pant because it's just right there and there's not a lot else going on around it. I think. Yeah, it's about getting the waist fit properly. I mean, the waist to crotch ratio needs to fit properly and the break needs to happen at the right spot to not look sloppy or not look like you're trying to be a 22 year old kid in Williamsburg.
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Lauren Sherman
What's the break? The.
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Becky Malinski
The break is where the hem hits on your shoe. So a tiny little bit of a break. So it's not pooling, but it's not cropped so that it doesn't look messy.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. The messiness is the tough part. So, Becky, thank you for this guidance. I think it's really helpful.
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Becky Malinski
But I hope.
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Lauren Sherman
No, I think that it's just like, I do think the break is a big part of it.
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Becky Malinski
And I have one more thing also. Most clothes need tailoring and this is a men's and women's thing I deal with with clients, is that it's okay to get your inexpensive clothes tailored. Making your clothes fit the way they should is worth the investment 100% of the time. So I think, like, just get it to fit right. Not everything is going to fit exactly right out of the store because it's meant to fit billions of people anyway.
- [36:40]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, totally.
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Becky Malinski
That's my.
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Lauren Sherman
I need to come to your tailor the next time I'm in New York.
- [36:45]
Becky Malinski
Please do.
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Lauren Sherman
I will so onto something that you probably don't need to get tailored, but is there are a lot of fit issues to your past. Your email this past weekend was about jean shorts, AKA jorts. And. And you provided five options of different silhouettes and styles. What brought you on this Jort Churn journey? Jort's Journey.
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Becky Malinski
I. I got a lot of questions about it. A lot of readers asking in what's my what one do I like? Would I do a newsletter about it? It's just a topic that a lot of people seem interested in and I don't wear a ton of jean shorts, so trying to back up and figure out the psychology. But why don't I Like this category very much. And how do I navigate? That was a interesting challenge for me.
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Lauren Sherman
I think it's very interesting. And I was one of the people who said something to you about it, because when I was in Paris, I am also. I've never been a jean shorts person before this summer. Just let me tell you. I used to have a pair of one Ernest sewn jeans that I cut off into shorts that were really good. And I don't think I have them anymore. But when I was in Paris in June for like three days, it was. It was pretty hot. I wasn't there during the kind of cool, but it was like pushing 90 on a couple days. I saw a lot of people wearing jean shorts and I was like, crazy because it's too casual for Paris. In the six. Like, I was in the six at a coffee shop and this cool girls and like, are they wearing these to work? I don't under. I was. I was very confused.
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Becky Malinski
How were they wearing them? Were they wearing them with sneakers or were they.
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Lauren Sherman
They were wearing them with Adidas.
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Becky Malinski
Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
And like a big shirt. And it. What it made me realize was, why am I not wearing them more in la? Because, like, I. All I do in LA is wear track shorts or I wear jeans a lot of days. And in la, the funny thing is you can't. You have to dress because it gets cold at night. So if you go out at night, like, the nice. The nice thing is you can always have a change of clothes in your car and change when you. You don't have to go back to your house to change because you have a car. But I. I can't. You can't really wear shorts at night. You have to wear pants because it gets pretty cold. But. So I don't, like. I don't need. The thing you don't need in LA is the. The light summer dress. It just. You don't need it because you're not outside and sticky at all. So I don't need, like the linen dress that's gonna get me through. Yeah, it's interesting because A, I've always had trouble with that category, but B, it just. I. It doesn't need to exist. You would. You don't need to wear a dress at night unless you want to because you need a sweater or a jacket. It's interesting. Anyway, so I came home and my immediate thing was I asked my friend Amanda Dobbins, who does wear jean shorts a lot, where she gets hers, and she said a Goldie, which I want to talk about a Goldie specifically, but the Parker long. So that's the one I ended up getting, and I really love it. The thing about this jean, I got it in two sizes. I got one that's like a little more with. Without a cutoff, that's a little more. I don't want to say dressy, but a little. And that one I got in a smaller size and I got one bigger size of the cutoffs that I am basically wearing as if they are sweatpants and just wearing them everywhere. They're super comfortable, but I like them because I have a bigger waist and they don't. They like, de. Emphasize that, which is extremely hard to do with anything, any kind of short. Like, I don't wear shorts a lot because I just don't think they are. Are what we would call flattering. Anyway, they. They are my pick. You had two. A Goldie on your. On your list. Can you kind of go through the styles you use? And then I want to talk about that. This brand in particular and why you think. Think they're so good at jean shorts?
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Becky Malinski
Yeah, maybe we should start there. A Goldie, which is owned by citizens of humanity, or vice versa. It's the same company. They just have fit nailed down so unbelievably, like, if you're going to do a skinny jean, if you want to do a baggy jean, they've scaled it to so that it fits the way you want it to fit and you don't have to change your size that much. I don't know what it is. They just have the secret sauce. And it's a brand I use so much for my clients that are not trying to be fashion, but just trying to have a pair of jeans. So I was like, okay, well, jean shorts in particular are going to hit all of these neuroses because we are women and sensitive about our bodies. So if we're going to talk about fit, we have to talk about them. So I wanted to try a really short short because there's so much about hot pants and short shorts right now. But I'm not really trying to walk around in hot pants in New York City. So I was like, if I'm going to try a short short, it has to be them. And it was so flattering. And I was so surprised that I felt comfortable in this short. So that was one of the first winners.
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Lauren Sherman
What was the style of the shorts?
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Becky Malinski
The Ridley. And I actually tried it on in, like a very tidy dark rinse with a hem. And it felt great and it looked great. I sized up one size. Because in jean shorts I always size up one size. But same thing you were talking about the waist. Nothing cutting on the waist, not riding up. But I also tried it in a cutoff black denim and it was not the one. I felt like I was trying to be 23 again and I had to take it off immediately.
- [42:37]
Lauren Sherman
So the Ridley shirt and reissue.
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Becky Malinski
And reissue, they're both nice. And then the second one I put in from Citizens or Agoldie was the Indra in Fortune Cookie, which is just white and it's a really baggy, almost like men's board short looking jean short, where it goes to the knee, sits really slouchy. I loved that. For me, my issue with a Goldie is I didn't want to pick a short from them that felt like it was trying to be a vintage Levi. So it had to have some sort of other style or design element. So that was why the really short in the dark rinse or the white in the really baggy. I don't like a designer jean short that pretends to be a vintage Levi. I would rather just full court press go in that direction. So. But really amazing, that brand.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, it's so great. Is Citizens. Would you say the fit on the Citizens jeans is as good as the Agolde?
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Becky Malinski
Yeah. If not better.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah. That's a great. I think Sarah Shapiro, I told her, I was like, you need to just do a big like business story on this company because they bought the brand back. When I worked at Business fashion, they bought it, they bought the company back from the peo, the private equity owner. And I don't know, I'm. I'm endlessly impressed by them. I actually don't own any of the, the jeans jeans because I mostly just, I go back to the same pair of Levi's and I just got a pair of white vintage Levi's at Scout that are perfect.
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Becky Malinski
Exactly.
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Lauren Sherman
Every time I go to Scout, I walk in and I say, I need this. And she was like, we only have one pair of white vintage jeans right now. Put them on, they fit perfect.
- [44:26]
Becky Malinski
I really want to come to LA just to go to Scout.
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Lauren Sherman
It's so funny. You know who I ran into when I was there is John Caramonica. Oh yeah. He was shopping with his girlfriend and I was like. I walked in and I was like, oh, hi. Got my jeans. I was like, see you guys later. It was great. It's a real meeting.
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Becky Malinski
This is my point though. Like fashion people just want a vintage Levi. It's the same as what We've talked about in the past about Nike. We want it to succeed because we want the classic thing to be the best. But for regular everyday people who just want to look good, that sort of effort is not going to work. And agoldy Citizens has figured out how to make people just feel really good in their jeans and not have to do that. Okay, but like we will still want the Levi and it doesn't replace that. Like I also don't. I have one pair of Citizens jeans. The. And it's the gaucho. It's the big wide crop. Because it's not going to replace the Levi for me.
- [45:26]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm looking at the jeans right now and they all look nice but I don't need any of them. Whereas I need. I need the. I needed the shorts for me. The. It was worth getting the Parker which is their like I would say their Levi Z. Because I. Jean shorts are just a different category. Yeah. Yes. Okay, so let's move on and go through the other three because I. I thought you did a very good job at like giving reasons to buy new jeans shorts Ready to level up? Chumba Casino is your playbook to fun. It's free to play with no purchase necessary. Enjoy hundreds of online social games like blackjack, slots and solitaire anytime, anywhere. With fresh releases every week. Whether you're at home or on the go, let Chumba Casino bring the excitement to you. Plus get free daily login bonuses and and a free welcome bonus. Join now for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Play Chumba Casino today. No purchase necessary. VGW Group void board prohibited by law 21/TNCs apply.
- [46:31]
Becky Malinski
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Lauren Sherman
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Lauren Sherman
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinski
And it. That was the most surprising one, I think. And then the next category was sort of the next best thing to a vintage Levi, which was a tie between. Was a tie between three, really. But their Levi's makes a 501 cutoff, which is very short. So if you want a Levi's, it was great, but very short. And it runs so tiny. I had to size up almost three sizes. Like I sized up two. Wish I sized up three.
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Lauren Sherman
Three.
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Becky Malinski
But very good if you want a Levi. And it's like 60 bucks and very good. Faux distressing. That tied with a reformation short, which was their like 2 and a half inch inseam short reformation just makes really good jeans. Is it still the Brock designer? You know, we don't know.
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Lauren Sherman
I. I don't know at this point. I can ask him. He. There's a great New York Times article about this guy. He also designs Kate's jeans, Oola Johnson's jeans. Like, he does a lot of different denim. I don't know if they still work with him. I. Even if they don't, they have like he worked with. He worked there for a lot with them for a long time. So they have the understanding. He's very interesting. I had coffee with him once and he made the point of like, you can tell when a brand doesn't have a denim designer working with them for sure, because it's not. But he's really good. I've. I've never bought the rough jeans, but I've tried them on and they are amazing. The short and the cake jeans are great.
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Becky Malinski
The thing is about the reformation ones too is that the price is right. Like there were. I tried on a bunch of jean shorts that were like 350, 450. It's just like that's not the category where I want to invest at that price point because I'm really only gonna wear these casually with my child or running around. So it's sort of like the reformation has get. Has the fit, the wash and the price. So that was great. If you do want a vintage jean short and not feel like you have to go try on a million pairs of Levi's, there's a brand called Mousy Vintage Moussi, Mousy Mousey.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes.
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Becky Malinski
They have a line and they rework vintage Levi. They rework Levi's into cut offs. So if you really want a vintage Levi that you can just buy online, you can get a mousy vintage pair.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I bet that redone probably has something similar too, right?
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Becky Malinski
Similar. But I. I tried a few redones. They weren't the. The waist cut a little bit for me on the redone. Sorry.
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Lauren Sherman
When you have a small waist. So that. So that is. That's okay. That's great. Great. Thank you for your service, Becky.
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Becky Malinski
You're welcome.
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Lauren Sherman
So really quickly, I wanted to give a running tights update, and I feel like you went through this journey with me. I finally was like, oh, because I wore an armband with my iPhone in it for more than a decade and had a big tan line on my arm for all that time. And then. And I'm just like, anti tan line this summer. I'm really trying not to wear my Apple watch in the sun. I'm like, really just trying. So someone was like, oh, you should just get running tights or running shorts with pockets in them and put your phone in there. And I was like, oh, that's such a great idea. Actually, Becky, it doesn't work. It's the worst thing in the world.
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Becky Malinski
I can't imagine.
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Lauren Sherman
Because you're. Because your phone gets all hot. And then also I listen to podcasts while I'm running mostly. Sometimes I listen to music, but usually podcasts just, like, get through it. And no matter how I position my phone, it, like, screws it up. It's like, this is not helpful to me in any way. It's not the solution. Also, like, running tights with pockets are annoying and too much. I just. I would. I'm very. I'm. I'm annoyed that this is the. The situation. I wish there was a better solution.
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Becky Malinski
Can't you get one of those really, like, flat, slim fanny pack things? I've seen those.
- [51:57]
Lauren Sherman
Sure. Yes, I can.
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Becky Malinski
But, like, again, seems better.
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Lauren Sherman
The issue. The issue for me is, like, I don't want heat on that area.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Like, I don't want, like, extra stuff. It just. I find the whole. And also I have very narrow hips, so who knows if that would stay up. Like, I can barely get my pants to stay up. So. So I don't. Yes. I mean, I just. The point being that, like, I wish that someone would create some sort of better solution for storing your phone whilst exercising.
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Becky Malinski
I know, but what would that be if it can't be on your waist, your arm, or your leg?
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Lauren Sherman
Honestly, you know where I used to keep it sometimes in In a sock in my bra.
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Becky Malinski
Oh.
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Lauren Sherman
But the other. The biggest issue is it's still the. The. The sensitivity of the phone and then screwing up and having to be pulled out.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Sometimes I just hold it in my hand.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
The other day I went to the Rose bowl to run, and I forgot my headphones and I had to run with no. No music and. No. And just be with my thoughts. And it's really hard. Wait, I got through it.
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Becky Malinski
What if you did the armband but switched it every day? Which arm?
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Lauren Sherman
I tan very easily.
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Becky Malinski
Oh, how nice.
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Lauren Sherman
It would just. Yes. So. So thank you. But if you were gonna buy a pair of running tights, what were. Would be the one that you would buy?
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Becky Malinski
Okay, this is a funny question, because I hate leggings. Anything tight on my legs makes me go insane. So I've been doing Pilates and I even bring them with me and change into them there because I cannot walk there in them. It drives me so crazy. I don't know if I would. I think I would figure out a solution to do it with shorts. And I have been wearing those horse sport shorts, which are glorified Sophie shorts, every single day to the point where I'm like, oh, my God, they're dirty. And I have to go a day without wearing them because they have to be washed. Makes me upset.
- [53:56]
Lauren Sherman
Okay, maybe I'll get them. They're really.
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Becky Malinski
But, like, you're still going to need your armband fanny pack thing, because I just. I will say this is literally the one category where I don't have advice because I just hate the feeling of leggings so much.
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Lauren Sherman
I know. I bought those beyond yoga gray leggings that you were like, don't buy.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah, don't buy those.
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Lauren Sherman
But I love them.
- [54:19]
Becky Malinski
There's no. There's no less flattering color to wear on your button thighs than a pale green heather spandex.
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Lauren Sherman
You're right. But I'm not. I'm not, like, wearing them with a crop top. And also it's fine.
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Becky Malinski
I wear them too.
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Lauren Sherman
I know we have different things. Like, yes. I don't. I. I, like, am very. I'm very straight and I have no leg issues.
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Becky Malinski
Well, then they're one perfect.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. So I. I did buy them, like a size probably. I could. Should have sized up then. Then I would. I would wear them with a crop top.
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Becky Malinski
But I imagine that beyond yoga, that super soft fabric would be too hot for running.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I don't wear them running. I've been wearing them during Pilates or solidcore. Or whatever.
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Becky Malinski
I mean, yeah, if I were to buy a running tight, I would buy a Nike one. For better or worse, no matter the fit. Because that would be the one that would make me feel like I can run the fastest.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. Speaking of one of these new fangled sporty brands. Literary sport. I got a bunch of stuff and I got. And they're the running tights I've been wearing. And the reason I like them so much is A they do have a poc. They do have pockets. But B, they're a mid waist and that is better for me. Like the super high waist looks bad. And then obviously, I mean I don't even know if there are low waist. But they are. They look great. They. In that case, I should have gone down a size and they. Because I'm pulling them up for the first like five minutes. Okay.
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Becky Malinski
I would try that. Yeah. I have their like Capri pants. They're like windbreaker ones.
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Lauren Sherman
Love there's. Their stuff is awesome. I. I am. I highly recommend. The fabrics are really good and they. I. I want to try a couple of the T shirts but it is exactly. Again, not to be a jerk. I don't love the name and I wish that it was a different name.
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Becky Malinski
But it's not too change it.
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Lauren Sherman
I. I agree. Ladies, I don't know.
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Becky Malinski
Not too late because we love the clothes. I wore the muscle tanks on vacation my whole week of vacation in the boiling hot Italy.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinski
With like very cute skirts. Like all my little vintage Prada and Louis Vuitton skirts. I get on the realreal. And those tanks because they're so thin and such a nice cup.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yeah. They're so good.
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Becky Malinski
So highly recommend.
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Lauren Sherman
Highly recommend. So two more quick little things. One is that we both in the past week or so have engaged with this television show or whatever. I don't. Can you call something a television show? Now the better sister, which I believe is on. Is it on Hulu?
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Becky Malinski
No, it's on Prime.
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Lauren Sherman
Amazon Prime. Congrats to Amazon Prime. It's starring Jessica Biel who looks truly. And Elizabeth Banks. I mean they both look great, but Jessica Biels shout out to this woman. She always. I. She was in college. When I was in college. She went to Tufts. So I would see her around Boston. She's always had a great body. This woman works her ass off. Whatever she does. Her body looks amazing and I. I just want to congratulate her. She deserves an award for whatever she does. Like she's naturally gifted but also very impressive. But. But the reason I started Watching it and I watched one episode and as you know, decided to just Google what happened and very interesting story. But it one was enough for me. I. I really enjoyed the one I watched, but so many people reached out to me about what she was wearing. Same on. On the show.
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Becky Malinski
I only watched because so many people texted me about her clothes on the show.
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Lauren Sherman
So explain to me why you think people have engaged with it so much and maybe talk a little bit about what Jessica Biel's character. Her job. Her job, quote, unquote.
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Becky Malinski
Jessica Biel's character is very confusing. She's an editor in chief in this year, 2025, and that has somehow afforded her to have a wraparound terrace on Central Park West. I'm sorry for laughing.
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Lauren Sherman
It's so funny. Quit making people editors of magazines. Magazines do not exist. People like, they just. They don't even exist anymore. So quit making them. You have to make them head of editorial content.
- [58:39]
Becky Malinski
I mean, the real congratulations, though, goes to the RO park tote, which is in every single scene and deserves its own cast of credits. The wardrobe is just, like, unbelievably tight. You know, it's like, exactly what you would think. Like, can I say like a rich. Can we say that on podcast or. It's just like the. Yeah, it's like the ultimate rich bitch wardrobe. It's like whatever the top tier is on net. A porter that's all being delivered same day. It's like everything is very perfect. Like Saint Laurent, Mili Lo tan. Like the Varley sweatsuit. Everything is very much exactly what you think it is, and it's kind of unbelievable. And it just like, stays very consistent through the whole show. Like, everything is, like, exactly what you think this person would be wearing in exactly this place. And then I looked up last night. Cause I just finished it last night. The costume designer is Stacey Battat.
- [59:38]
Lauren Sherman
Oh, my God. Of course. It's Stacey Battat.
- [59:40]
Becky Malinski
Yeah. Of Sofia Coppola fame.
- [59:43]
Lauren Sherman
Stacey. Yes. Stacey is Sofia's stylist for the last probably, like, seven films. Oh, that's so funny. That it is, Stacey.
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Becky Malinski
I get it. And whoever. I'm like, whoever did this really understands sort of like this sort of New York woman.
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Lauren Sherman
Wow, that's really interesting. That's so fun that she did that. Also, people have requested that Stacey come on the podcast. I don't know if she's. If she would want to do that, but I would love to have her.
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Becky Malinski
Yeah, that would be amazing.
- [60:13]
Lauren Sherman
So can we talk about this white dress really quickly? Because I got emails from Readers who are also Vic's who wanted that. Is it what it. What is the white dress? And can you still get it? I think it might be. It came up when the Proenza blue dress from. Have you seen Materialist yet?
- [60:36]
Becky Malinski
No, I'm dying to see it.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, you should see it. For the dress at least.
- [60:40]
Becky Malinski
No, I gotta see it.
- [60:42]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, you gotta see it. Let's see. And. And people were like, yeah, but have you seen. This is how I was. I was pushed to watch this.
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Becky Malinski
Oh, Proenza. Which makes perfect sense. There's a lot of Proenza in the show, which I actually buy a ton of Proenza for my female clients who are professionals in New York City. That makes a lot of sense.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I wonder. I wonder if they're going to get a name name designer to do Proenza. Also the. Can we talk about the barn coat really quickly or the field coat? Who. Which one is it? I. I couldn't identify it.
- [61:17]
Becky Malinski
It's a barber jacket from Free People.
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Lauren Sherman
Wow. Great job. Stacy Batat.
- [61:23]
Becky Malinski
Great job.
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Lauren Sherman
Love her. She also is really amazing. She also has really amazing curly hair. We have a lot of mutual friends. I met her years ago. Anyway, great. So in the jean shorts email, you wear this ringer tee. That is from when you were a cheerleader with which. What?
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Becky Malinski
Wait, you didn't know that?
- [61:45]
Lauren Sherman
No, I admit. I guess it makes sense.
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Becky Malinski
I was captain of the cheerleading team.
- [61:50]
Lauren Sherman
I believe it. In another life, I think that that would have been for me as well.
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Becky Malinski
But like, you have to understand that I only ever did any sp sport for the uniform. So like, obviously it was a cheerleader because the uniforms were amazing. I took up tennis because I wanted to wear the skirts.
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Lauren Sherman
Same. Yeah, no, I would. I played tennis and lacrosse. I understand.
- [62:10]
Becky Malinski
Yeah. Love.
- [62:12]
Lauren Sherman
I also had capas in middle school.
- [62:15]
Becky Malinski
Wow.
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Lauren Sherman
Just because I like them and I wanted to do the, like the triangles clips. Yeah.
- [62:21]
Becky Malinski
Change out the colors.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah, I understand. I. It makes sense to me.
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Becky Malinski
Oh my God, that brings up such a corner. Because we had the capas my freshman year on the cheerleading team. And then they changed the uniform to Nike where we had this little disc where we switched in the color. And I was so devastated.
- [62:40]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I mean, that's so cool though.
- [62:42]
Becky Malinski
I guess.
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Lauren Sherman
And anyway, you had this ringer tee from when you were cheerleading. And the thing I want to ask you really quickly. I want a ringer tea so badly, but I want one that fits like your. Your cheerleading one, which is kind of not boxy, just like a classic T shirt. And I can't find one anywhere.
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Becky Malinski
It's gilded. That brand that does the custom teeth, you know that's really stiff.
- [63:07]
Lauren Sherman
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Becky Malinski
So.
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Lauren Sherman
But that's from how long ago?
- [63:10]
Becky Malinski
I mean 25 years.
- [63:12]
Lauren Sherman
So they probably don't do that one anymore. Gilden Ringer teeth.
- [63:16]
Becky Malinski
Okay.
- [63:17]
Lauren Sherman
Maybe. Because I just. Oh, maybe they. Well, they still make them. But. But I just. Yeah.
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Becky Malinski
You might have to get it off of like a. Like whatever the U line is for T shirts.
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Lauren Sherman
You know, it doesn't look exactly right. Like none of them look right and it's upsetting to me.
- [63:33]
Becky Malinski
Okay.
- [63:33]
Lauren Sherman
I think. Okay. I found.
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Becky Malinski
There's one.
- [63:36]
Lauren Sherman
Is it.
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Becky Malinski
It's like a terrible name, this brand. I wonder if this has it. Industry of all nations. I think you're literally going to have to go on to like Amazon or there's all these companies like Organic Basics Industry of all nations that make these really plain ones.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. They just. The rib. The ring doesn't look right. It's not thick enough on a lot of them.
- [64:02]
Becky Malinski
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I just want. I want your cheerleading T shirt. Okay. Final thing of the day. Yeah. Really quickly. The. The real news of the day is this Birkin last week that sold 10. $10 million in 10 minutes. What do you think?
- [64:18]
Becky Malinski
Not surprised. I don't know. I just was sort of like. Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
The thing that was the most shocking to me was that in the Sotheby's press release it was like this is the most expensive fashion item that we've ever sold. And then the most expensive fashion item in Europe. But like then in Marissa Meltzer's piece it noted that the most expensive fashion thing that has ever sold is Dorothy's ruby slippers for 32 million or something. Which like obviously. But I was surprised that it's. It was only that. I mean that's a lot obviously. And there were people who ducked out because their limit was much lower than that.
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Becky Malinski
Interesting from it. Yeah. It just seems like the pool of people who would be able to afford it and want it don't have priced like there is no price tag.
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Lauren Sherman
Pay 50 million for it. Someday it will sell for that.
- [65:16]
Becky Malinski
Yes.
- [65:16]
Lauren Sherman
So when. When this guy who bought it, his second hand company needs some money he could sell. I hope that he. They put it in a museum though.
- [65:27]
Becky Malinski
Me too. That would be great.
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Lauren Sherman
Cited for Marissa's book.
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Becky Malinski
Who. I think maybe it was Marissa who said to me. I don't remember someone. Someone said something to me that I. I just hope it goes to someone who's not gonna let their kids play with it. You know what I mean? Like, who can understand it?
- [65:45]
Lauren Sherman
Marissa would say, yeah, so hopefully. I think she's coming on next week, so maybe we'll discuss it. Or. No, she's the week after next week. Is someone else. Special guest. Want to keep it a surprise? Thank you, Becky. This was so fun. Thanks for taking the time, as always. Great to see you.
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Becky Malinski
Thanks for having me.
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Lauren Sherman
Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.