Jonathan's Dior and Bezos’s Tux

Summary

Fashion People Podcast Summary: "Jonathan's Dior and Bezos’s Tux"

Episode Details:

• Title: Jonathan's Dior and Bezos’s Tux
• Host: Lauren Sherman
• Guest: Noah Johnson, Editor-in-Chief of High Snobiety
• Release Date: June 24, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Fashion People, Lauren Sherman engages in an insightful conversation with Noah Johnson, the Editor-in-Chief of High Snobiety. They delve into the latest happenings in the fashion industry, focusing on Jonathan Anderson's debut at Dior, Jeff Bezos's upcoming wedding attire, Travis Kelce's evolving style, and notable events from Milan Fashion Week.

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Jonathan Anderson's Dior Debut

Lauren and Noah discuss Jonathan Anderson’s highly anticipated debut as the creative director of Dior. They express their mixed feelings and high expectations for Anderson's direction of the iconic brand.

Lauren Sherman [20:10]: "JW and Jonathan Anderson will show Dior for the first time. I think it's smart because Dior is a giant brand with a $10 billion annual revenue."

Noah Johnson [20:43]: "I thought Milan was, like, insanely boring. I couldn’t wait to get out of there. Zenya didn’t show, I think. Prada was mixed, but I thought it was pretty good."

They critique the minimalistic approach of Anderson's first show, noting his use of Andy Warhol and Jean-Michel Basquiat images, and discuss the pressure he faces to rejuvenate Dior without compromising its legacy.

Lauren Sherman [22:59]: "It’s exciting, but it’s a lot of pressure for one person. I don’t think this isn’t going to fix LVMH’s problems, but it’s a step in the right direction."

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Jeff Bezos's Wedding Look

The conversation shifts to Jeff Bezos's upcoming wedding to Lauren Sanchez in Venice. They speculate on Bezos's fashion choices, anticipating a Dolce & Gabbana suit for the ceremony.

Lauren Sherman [36:37]: "I heard Jeff Bezos is 99.9% gonna wear a Dolce and Gabbana suit for the ceremony."

Noah Johnson [38:11]: "I would have probably steered him towards Armani if we’re going to stay in this sort of zone. Armani models are pretty buff, and Bezos is famously pretty buff."

They analyze Bezos's style as being functional yet stylish, reflecting his public persona.

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Travis Kelce's Fashion Evolution

Lauren brings up the recent photos of NFL star Travis Kelce with Taylor Swift, focusing on his current fashion choices that have sparked discussion.

Lauren Sherman [43:43]: "Travis Kelce is wearing some US Socce button-up and ankle socks with the Nike logo. What do you think of his style evolution?"

Noah Johnson [44:35]: "He looks like he is in a mall in 1998. It’s a bowl cut with ankle socks—it’s trying to be nostalgic but misses the mark."

They debate whether Kelce's fashion choices are making a statement or simply missing the mark, highlighting the challenges public figures face in maintaining a fashionable image.

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Milan Fashion Week Highlights

Noah shares his take on Milan Fashion Week, describing it as less cohesive and more incremental compared to previous seasons. He highlights standout brands like Zenya and Armani but expresses a desire for a stronger narrative.

Noah Johnson [12:09]: "I don’t feel it like that as much. It’s way more incremental with a broad range of styles, making it hard to pinpoint a clear narrative."

Lauren concurs, emphasizing the tight-knit community within menswear and the challenges of finding a unified statement in the current fashion landscape.

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Emerging Brands and Industry Trends

The discussion moves to emerging brands making waves in the fashion industry. They mention Aurelia and Orly as standout names gaining significant attention for their well-styled, coed collections. Noah also touches on the anniversary celebrations of High Snobiety and other influential brands like Telfar.

Noah Johnson [32:55]: "Every men's store is buying Orly, and they're having a party this year with a crazy lineup of DJs. It’s exciting and unusual for a newer brand."

Lauren Sherman [35:48]: "The last 20 years have really shaped the modern fashion industry, with brands like Tory Burch emerging and others scaling significantly."

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Fashion Industry Commentary and Personal Insights

Lauren and Noah offer personal insights into the evolving fashion landscape, discussing the impact of long-term brand stewardship versus the ambitions of designers like Jonathan Anderson. They explore how relationships within the industry influence brand success and the importance of authenticity in fashion narratives.

Noah Johnson [29:32]: "Designers like Jonathan Anderson have the right to pursue the biggest roles, but longevity in a brand often comes from decades of dedicated craftsmanship."

Lauren Sherman [29:43]: "Jonathan Anderson sees his role at Dior as part of his life's work, aiming to prove his capability beyond what he achieved at Loewe."

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Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Lauren and Noah exchange final thoughts on the discussed topics, expressing excitement for future episodes and upcoming industry events. They emphasize the continuous evolution and the dynamic nature of the fashion world, leaving listeners with ample anticipation for what’s next.

Lauren Sherman [53:57]: "Next time, we'll do a full hour dedicated to Evan Connery. Looking forward to it!"

Noah Johnson [54:06]: "Thanks, Lauren. Excited for the next discussion."

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Key Takeaways

• Jonathan Anderson's Debut at Dior: A pivotal moment with high expectations and significant pressure to redefine the brand while maintaining its legacy.

• Jeff Bezos's Wedding Attire: Anticipation of a stylish and high-end fashion choice reflecting his status and the grandeur of the event.

• Travis Kelce's Style Choices: A discussion on the challenges of maintaining a fashionable image in the public eye, balancing personal style with public expectations.

• Milan Fashion Week Observations: An incremental and broad range of styles in menswear, making it difficult to identify a unified fashion narrative.

• Emerging Brands: Highlighting the rise of brands like Aurelia and Orly, which are gaining traction through innovative designs and strong community presence.

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Notable Quotes:

• "It's exciting, but it’s a lot of pressure for one person." – Lauren Sherman [22:59]

• "He looks like he is in a mall in 1998. It’s a bowl cut with ankle socks—it’s trying to be nostalgic but misses the mark." – Noah Johnson [44:35]

• "Designers like Jonathan Anderson have the right to pursue the biggest roles, but longevity in a brand often comes from decades of dedicated craftsmanship." – Noah Johnson [29:32]

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This episode of Fashion People offers a deep dive into the current state of the fashion industry, blending personal insights with industry analysis. Whether you're a fashion enthusiast or someone looking to stay updated with the latest trends and events, this discussion provides valuable perspectives on the ever-evolving world of fashion.

Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo line sheet and today with me on the show is High Snobiety Editor in Chief Noah Johnson with a report from Milan Fashion Week. We're also chatting about Jonathan Anderson's Dior debut, Jeff Bezos wedding look, Travis Kelce's fashion evolution, and plenty more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I'm in Paris for the briefest of trips, but as always I'm having a great time. Tonight I am co hosting a Puck private dinner with the folks from Shop by Tiffany Lipinski and Anisha Kamata. Very excited to see lots of my Paris friends. I think this is the third. Yes, this is the third dinner we've hosted in Paris and as always, it's off the record, it's a small group. People chat about stuff that I won't be chatting about on here, but I'm really looking forward to catching up with people. And by the way, if you are interested in doing one of these with me, I do one every couple of months. You can message alexandrauck News. I really love doing these dinners. They're a very effective tool for the brands that I partner with and they're really fun too. It's just, it's my kind of event. So let's do one together. In Monday's line sheet, I am looking at Lauren Sanchez's relationship with the fashion industry in particular and how that may evolve after her wedding to Jeff Bezos. I also reveal what she's slated to wear to the wedding ceremony with plants. Plenty of other fun details. And on Tuesday, Sarah Shapiro has a great piece about what the sourcers are sourcing. So revealing what the big items of the seasons are for the gabwallers of the world. It's kind of a throwback to the what the buyers are buying that the trades used to do and still do sometimes, but feels more of the moment to talk about what the sourcers are sourcing in season anyway. And they're there are a lot of great bags, including ones that I've seen on the street, so proof of concept. Anyway, we've got a lot to cover with Noah, so let's get going. Noah Johnson, welcome to Fashion People.

[Noah Johnson]

Thank you. Lauren. Hello. How are you?

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm well. It's been a long time coming. You know, I texted you about doing an entire hour on Evan Connory and you ignored me.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. I just haven't had a chance to get back to you on that one yet. But here we are. We'll move ahead with this one first.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, I just want to say on the Evan Connorey thing, because it's a little bit for me, I don't know if you've noticed, but not just you. Here's the thing. I respect your love of Evan Connory. I understand it. To me, it's actually how I feel about high sport, which is that I'm a big fan of high sport and I am friends with Alyssa. I think the only difference is if high sport raises a ton of money and Alyssa doesn't want me to write about it, I'm still going to.

[Noah Johnson]

You know, people ask me about it a lot. And recently I got a message from Mary Choi, a friend who's a writer, and she was like, what's your relationship with Evan Connory, like, what's going on here? Because I get. I get it. Like, I'm an editor and I. I post. I seem to have this, like, unusually close relationship with this brand and designer, which is what it is. And my response, I wanted to pull it up because I thought I remembered it being helpful, but it's like, we're very good friends. I've done a little work with him, like, in terms of just like, helping him get organized. Helping him. Yeah, Write and edit some things, but he's just a very good friend who makes what I think are the best clothes in the world and things I like to wear the most. And so there's just a. Yeah, that's. That's really all it is.

[Lauren Sherman]

I. I understand. I also think something that you're cohort of editors did when you were at GQ and now at high snobiety, you're doing it too. But you really get got behind. You get behind designers and make them a thing. Like today, there was something in the news that Willie Chavarria has spoken to Fendi about a potential job. The likelihood of that, I think, is extremely low. And you can read in Line sheet on Tuesday why. But. But I think that, like, the brands that the menswear community in the US in particular get behind do become something. And because you all are very. I don't know, you're enthusiasts as well. And so it's totally valid. It is fun to tease you about it, but I also respect it.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, I don't know. Menswear is a little smaller. You know, to me, I've said this before. Like, I think people should have a personal relationship with the people that make the clothes they wear. It doesn't mean you're, like, good friends. But I. I do think some level of familiarity is good. Just in general, a good. A good sort of practice, whether that means you can, like, text them or just means you sort of know who they are and what they're all about. But, yeah, I think maybe menswear uniquely sort of. I don't know, has. Has more of these relationships than women's wear typically does, just because the market's a lot smaller and there's more of a feeling of. I don't. I was gonna say more of a feeling of camaraderie. That's probably not quite right, but just the conditions allow for it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, No, I think that it's true. I dip into menswear more than most women's people who cover women's wear do. And I've been to Pitti Uomo and I've been to some men's shows, and I do think it's just a closer, a more tight knit community. And there is, there's competition, but it's just in a different way. And I also think a lot of the menswear designers are your peers in some ways, whereas the womenswear designers, definitely some of them are our peers too. But I'd say in menswear, that's even more so. And not, not saying you're just broing out, but in a way, a little bit. A little bit like. And I am. When I think about the designers I'm actually friends with, most of them are men. I mean, most men are designers also. So that's another story for another day. But question for you, do you go backstage at Prada in particular, when you're talking about getting to know the designers? Cause I find even though it's such a shit show back there, that going to that backstage, I feel like I really know those people from listening what they have to say.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, they, I mean, for instance, in this show in particular, they didn't. There was no backstage. Rafa and Mrs. Product came out and.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, that's great.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. And it was just a, a very, very large mob of people. They just sort of stepped outside of the doorway and spoke there. And, you know, you had your, your Sam Heinz and your Luke leeches, like right up there in front. And I sort of kind of hung out and let the journalists get closest and tried to hear, but I couldn't hear much. So I'm not in good practice with that. I mean, I used to do that ages ago. You know, my time at gq, we had again, Sam Hein, who's amazing, who was kind of handling that. And I could kind of hang in the back, but.

[Lauren Sherman]

But you still go back.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Why do you go back if you're not gonna. Just to see the vibe and see what people are saying.

[Noah Johnson]

Exactly. Catch a vibe, hear what they're saying. Hopefully get like a moment or 2 of FaceTime, you know, I mean, I'm the editor of a magazine. It's nice for there to be some recognition there, a little bit of relationship. I, I wouldn't say I'm trying to make friends with anyone, but if we had a, any sort of point in commonality, you know, if Ras Simmons is a tennis player, I'd probably get back there and start shooting the show with him and seeing if you want to go hit a few balls with me. Sure.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who do you go to any trainers in LA for tennis?

[Noah Johnson]

No. I've played a little bit of live ball and tennis and hit a little bit with Kyle from Brain Dead. He's kind of like the LA tennis guy I know, but I haven't really cracked LA tennis all that much.

[Lauren Sherman]

Have you played at Silvertop?

[Noah Johnson]

Is that. What is that?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's in Silver Lake. It's that the guy from Apple or from Beats owns the house and that guy.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know that you've probably played there.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, I want to play there. Um, I need. Someone needs to invite me or something. How do I get. How do I get.

[Lauren Sherman]

You need to talk to Chris Black.

[Noah Johnson]

All right. Yeah. As with.

[Lauren Sherman]

As with many things, with everything. So tell me about the shows. I thought Prada looked really good. What else? Milan Fashion Week for men's is pretty truncated at this point, but there's still Zenya, there's still two Armani shows. There's still Prada. What did you think this season?

[Noah Johnson]

So I thought Milan was, like, insanely boring. I couldn't wait to get out of there. I left a day early just to get to Paris, and I immediately felt tremendous relief. Zenya didn't show, I think. Right. Because they showed in Dubai a week ago.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, that show is in Dubai. I didn't even realize that. I thought it was in Milan.

[Noah Johnson]

I missed Emporio, but I heard mixed things. I thought Armani is, like, glorious. I mean, so basically I go and I saw. I saw three things. Our legacy, who has really sort of made their mark on Milan, They've chosen that as their kind of home base, which I think is smart because they really start the season. It's the first brand so many buyers see, and they can really have a pretty significant kind of footprint there. And our legacy is super strong collection. And then I saw Prada, which I liked. I think there were mixed feelings about it, but I thought it was pretty good. And then I saw Armani. So that's it. I saw three things. Two of them were Runway shows, and I left.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you get a sense by the end of Paris of, like, a real feeling of the season, or is that less prevalent in men's. Whereas women's. You like real by the time you mew hits at the end of Tuesday in Paris or sometimes at St. Laurent, you really feel like this is what the season was about? Is menswear like that as much, or is it more incremental?

[Noah Johnson]

I don't. I don't feel it like that as much. I think it's way more incremental. And way more. There's just a really broad. There's just a lot of sort of range. I always find it really hard to. To come down with sort of a clear narrative. And I'm very skeptical when other people do. I think you see it a little more in what people are wearing sort of in the street, you know, like that's kind of where maybe the story starts to. To take shape and you can start to kind of, I don't know, make. Make a generalization like that. But yeah, I mean, just based on what we just saw in Milan, it's like, you know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Noah Johnson]

Not much.

[Lauren Sherman]

Not. Not much. I mean, they should just maybe combine them.

[Noah Johnson]

No, they have to.

[Lauren Sherman]

Remember there used to be a London men's.

[Noah Johnson]

I know, not too long ago, and.

[Lauren Sherman]

They tried New York many times, but that never really stuck. Yeah. I saw Gian posted that a lot of guys were wearing white sneakers at Pity.

[Noah Johnson]

Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't know if you noticed that the. The revival of a common project, maybe.

[Noah Johnson]

No, no, I'm not ready for that one. I mean, sure, I. I feel like you could. Any summer of any year of the last 50 years, you could go out there and say a lot of guys are wearing white sneakers. But I don't know. I didn't make it to Pitti. But it's so hot. Like, it's a little bit of a cheat because everyone is just like in a boxy T shirt, some very normal big pants and. And weird shoes. I don't notice white sneakers. I notice every guy's in like a leopard print mule or something. The shoes are weird. Everything else is like aggressively normal and. And a little like TikTok ish, you know, a little. There's still like that like boxy tee and a mullet and a chain and maybe like a slightly flared pant.

[Lauren Sherman]

Weird shoes, though. Yeah, that's interesting. I did see a guy at Cookbook on Larchmont in Common Projects on Saturday and I was like, were they new? No, they were. Well, it was. It was the kind of guy that maybe cleans his shoes enough that they were 10 years old.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, that's the kind of guy.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, Larchma. It's not common to see them though.

[Noah Johnson]

No, I don't think so. I mean, I feel like you still see some just kind of like holdovers, like a guy who bought them at Stephen Allen 12 years ago, like when they were open in Tribeca and like. Yeah, they still work, you know, that kind of guy.

[Lauren Sherman]

Did you wear them back then?

[Noah Johnson]

Definitely.

[Lauren Sherman]

I also wore them. I Was very into them.

[Noah Johnson]

High tops I really liked. And I didn't wear like white low tops though. I liked when it was like. Actually I wore. Yeah, there were like some good tonal ones. Hell yeah. I was very psyched on Comic Project.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I. I liked them very much and was. They for me were. Instead of wearing the Adidas shoe that Phoebe Filo wore, which I know. Sambas. Were they sambas?

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Stan Smiths.

[Lauren Sherman]

Stan Smiths, Yes. I really tried to wear Stan Smiths. Like I got the Raph Stan Smiths, but I was like, this is not me, but the common projects. I thought I would wear them forever.

[Noah Johnson]

I mean, such a class.

[Lauren Sherman]

They'll come back.

[Noah Johnson]

You know, they were 400 bucks, but they were like heavy and sturdy and they felt. I mean, I was, you know, younger and wasn't really like shopping and stuff at the time. It was like those and a pair of APC jeans. You felt like you had like the ultimate evergreen, high quality, super durable, cool guy kind of outfit.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally classics.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. And now like, I don't know, now.

[Lauren Sherman]

You'Re not wearing them. What shoe? What. What shoes are you wearing? What's your shoe of the moment?

[Noah Johnson]

I'm. Right now I have on these La Mer. I really like the La Mer little slipper with a crepe sole.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, nice.

[Noah Johnson]

I've been wearing these for like a couple years.

[Lauren Sherman]

Those are. Are trending. I used to have those in like a chukka boot, but I. They. They're not. It's. They're. Those are trending in La. La Mer is a big LA brand, but I never wear it there. I don't know why.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, they should. Yeah. I. Now that I'm in Paris, I get a little like embarrassed with them because I will see them everywhere here. So I might be wearing more my Aurora shoes, which are like a funny kind of pilgrim shoe with a strap that are kind of wide like a Birkenstock. And they're the only shoes made in New York.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, wow.

[Noah Johnson]

Which is cool. And I have like a beige suede pair that I really like. And then.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, you need to get a shop my link and post them on your social so you can get some.

[Noah Johnson]

I don't think they're doing any affiliate program with Aurora. But maybe I like to. Hey look, I like to. You know, it's not always about getting a kickback just to drop. Drop a little knowledge.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not. No. I don't know.

[Noah Johnson]

Not for me.

[Lauren Sherman]

No. I'm wearing La Mer shorts right now, but again, I do wear these and I have a pair of La Mer sandals that I brought that I got last June. But I don't know, it's very interesting. Like it's just. I used to wear it constantly in New York and la. I think it's because I just wear sweatshirts and jeans in la and that's. That's it.

[Noah Johnson]

But Mare's too. It's just elegant too.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's. It's too. My style has gotten a little more basic. Bitch. Since moving to la. Like, I wear a lot of Charvet shirts.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, not that basic, but.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, but like basic in that no one that I. That I'm hanging out with there realizes it's a show. They just are like, she wears button downs all the time. I wear like vintage jeans button downs if I like a blazer and a T shirt and a heel. Whereas in New York I wore a lot more drapier stuff. And I don't know, it's just my style has gotten a little more a classic, if you want to say since I moved to la.

[Noah Johnson]

That might have happened had you stayed New York. Anyway, you know, times.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's true.

[Noah Johnson]

Taste changes with the style anyway. But I mean with the times anyway. But the other shoe I'm wearing a lot is Mephistos, which are like, you know, kind of a grandpa sneaker.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Noah Johnson]

But that's actually probably been my most Go gone to sneaker of the year or shoe of the year. I have several pairs.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have considered it, but I have not gone there yet.

[Noah Johnson]

I haven't seen women really do it, to be honest. Not that you shouldn't.

[Lauren Sherman]

Rory Satron did a great piece in the Journal about the one Mephisto that Becky Malinsky is a fan of. It also that women are wearing and I have gotten to buy it and then I just don't pull the trigger.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, but I mean it's a commitment. But you know, comfort made in France comfortable. It's true.

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[Lauren Sherman]

Speaking of made in France, what are you excited about this week? We're in Paris. Paris Fashion Week is upon us.

[Noah Johnson]

Well, the real thing that gets me going is like a million little brands I see on the street throughout my day that are friends or just brands I was interested in from afar and drop in to meet for the first time. The big shows, obviously. JW and Jonathan Anderson will show Dior for the first time. I don't know anything about it except the show is extremely small and he teased with a couple Andy Warhol images, which I thought was disappointing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, interesting. See, I liked it. But I'm. I'm a real. I'm a real, like, whatever he does, I'm like, sure, that's fine.

[Noah Johnson]

Well, me too. I think I have, but maybe my. That's why I had a really high expectation then. I'm just like, really, really, like the most famous artist of the 20th century. That's what. And like, same when Raph did it at Calvin Klein. I was just like, are we you? This is like, is this just the flex to get the estate of Andy Warhol and Basquiat to allow you to use this? Is that what this. Is that what I'm supposed to, like, get here? I mean, Basquiat looks cool in that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Photo, but, like, here's what I would say, that Dior is a giant brand. It's like $10 billion a year. So it has to be mass. And the reason I like the images, he also did a whole podcast with Hilton, Als and whatever look on Dior's Instagram. The thing that I thought was really clever about it was that they DMed a bunch of influencers being like, to close friends. Here are the images and released it to them first, which I thought was very smart because then all the influencers posted. Look what I got my close friends. The thing I would say is those two images of Lee Radwell and Jean Michel Basquiat that the polaroids from the 80s that Warhol took. What I liked about it was the burgundy that she was wearing, the turtleneck she's wearing. It felt very now like I've been looking there. There's a pair of Kate and a pair of Saint Laurent burgundy shoes that I've been looking at, like, that's a color that feels like extremely now. And the picture of her, I was like, okay, this is something I want to like, buy into. And it felt comforting and familiar, but also different from what has been shown in the past. And then, and then the book bags, which I thought was interesting. Cause I wonder if he will nod to Olympia Letan at all, given that she is the one who sort of started that. I thought his interpretation of the book bag also, like, the colors were right. He's just a really good art director.

[Noah Johnson]

I'm with you. I'm not. I'm. Yeah, I get it. And even with the Basquiat image, it was like. I looked again at the way I think his like, ties over like one point of the collar. And yeah, I just like, looked at that image in a new way and it absolutely, like, made me excited I interested.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it's a lot of pressure. It's just. It's a lot of pressure. And, and also he. He's obviously using pink and gray a lot, which are the Dior colors. And it's. The thing I wrote on Monday is like, you're seeing all this stuff online and everybody's like, oh my God, it's so exciting. Maybe people will start buying this stuff again. And then you see there was a. They took out a full page ad in the New York Times on Sunday. Not of this stuff, not of a campaign, not of like, images, but of Maria Grazia Chiuri's In Season collection. And it's just like, ladies. A photo of ladies with their bags. And it's like. But you're too. It's like it's going to take a while for them to get it all to the. The place where it is really one Dior, as they say. But yeah, it's. It's exciting. It's just. It's a lot of pressure for one person. I don't think he thinks of it that way, but I don't also don't think this isn't going to fix LVMH's problems. I think that's the thing that, like, everybody needs to chill out. And I, I hope the clothes themselves are stuff that people want to buy and, and the bags obviously are more important for. For the masses. But guys are buying the Kim Jones clothes, so. So it needs to. It needs to be something that guys who buy clothes buy.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. Well, he did it at Louisville. Right?

[Lauren Sherman]

100.

[Noah Johnson]

I just find it so disappointing that there's almost like it's just a given that he'd have to leave Louisville one day. Like, you get, you know, Armani's been for designing for 60 years or something. Right. And. And he didn't come out at the shows this week because apparently he's unwell and someone said it's the first show he's missed. The Emporio and the GA show this week are the first shows he's missed in 60 years. He's never missed a show. I have no idea if that's true. I'd love to to find out, but, you know, like, I love Margaret Howell. She's been doing it for 55 years. You know, we all love Home Des Garcon. You know, I just. It like these things take time. It doesn't need to be six decades, but like, I don't know, someone does a few years and they're so good, it's like, wow, you're so good now. You've earned the right to leave your job and get a new job and start over. And I just find that so disappointing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, I think 1A just to say I thought the perfect magazine cover, Armani was amazing.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

So it just like, is like a real person. Yes, it was amazing. The other. I mean, here's the thing. I don't think Jonathan Anderson, he owns his own brand, which he clearly wants to keep going and has sacrificed, I think, a lot to make sure that he can. But most of these people who stick with it's their brand or it's a brand that they started at when they were young and they feel an ownership in it. Like you think about Maria Graziaturi and Pierre Paolo when they were at Valentino, that type of thing. The thing with these brands, I think this is a career job. This isn't. And my gut and just from the ambition of Jonathan Anderson was to either do Louis Vuitton or Dior or Gucci, like one of the biggest brands in the world and control it. Because if you haven't listened to his Bella Freud podcast with him, Fashion neurosis. He talks a lot about his ambition, and it was when everyone knew he was going to Dior. It was probably in December, but no one had actually said it. And he was campaigning for his Luca Guadagnino movie stuff, costume designing. But it's clear to me that he doesn't see this as his life's work. He sees it as a part of his life's work. So he wants to push himself. And he is commercial. He wants people to buy the shit. And you're totally right. He could have done Loewe for 30 more years and it would have been amazing and it would have become a $5 billion brand and it would have. He could have made it into that. But I think for him, those jobs are jobs and he wants to prove to himself that he can do more than anyone else did.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And so I get what you're saying and I agree. And it's gonna be. I mean, I think, look, I think that what he left Loewe with is there's so much that they're gonna be able to move on and, and it will morph into something else someday. But I do think there is. He is one of the first and Kim Jones, I guess, is another one. But there are a few of them who it really is about. I want to prove that I can do this better than anyone else. And I was thinking about him today. He is sort of the a 24 of designers, all that stuff. Matt Bellany, who does our entertainment stuff at Puck on his podcast. The subject line of his podcast today was something about Marvel's decline. And it is so much like all these indie, a24, neon, whatever. Obviously they make no money compared to the big studios, but they are kind of overtaking our culture. And the same thing he overtook the culture with Loewe Charlie, the CMO was named the 17th most powerful CMO by Forbes. I worked at Forbes. Not sure about their methodology, but it's still like very impressive. And I think maybe he's like, well, I wanna prove that I can do it. I can direct a. I'm Ryan Coogler and I can direct a Marvel movie and Sinners. Yeah, Jonathan Anderson is. Is like that. So we'll see. But it is.

[Noah Johnson]

He has a. He has the right to go for the biggest job in his field. And it was ignorant. I mean, you're totally right. He has his own line. So my whole, my whole point is sort of.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, no, it doesn't hold up that.

[Noah Johnson]

Well because he does have his own line. But I guess, I guess I. Yeah, it's just. It's just been on my mind about how designers who really have a long time to develop something end up kind of having that longevity and, and having the great legacy and doing some of the best work.

[Lauren Sherman]

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[Noah Johnson]

Who's.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who's not one of these giant shows?

[Noah Johnson]

Well, Aurelia has been one of the strongest showings for the last few years now. The Japanese brand that's, you know, makes pretty, like, normal clothes. It's coed. It's just, like, extremely well styled. It's styled by a French woman here whose name I forget, but she's Charlotte Colette.

[Lauren Sherman]

She's my queen. She is. I'm obsessed with. She is so good. She does ballet too.

[Noah Johnson]

She kills it. And, of course, yeah, that's why ballet was so good. And so everyone loves that. And it's. It's tomorrow, so it'll be the same day as Louis Vuitton. And Saint Laurent is on the schedule, which is unusual for men. So that's exciting. I don't know the last time I saw Saint Laurent show, so it's a huge day one. And the fun thing is always you get Orly, and then you go see Louis Vuitton. So you get this sort of underground kind of whatever you want to call it, like the sort of indie, cult niche brand that's extremely hot right now. And then you get the biggest. The biggest brand of all brands, and you get to sort of compare and contrast and. And draw your conclusions about what it all means. So day one kind of is a big one, and I am. You know, the Pharrell's got. I feel like he. He has a little bit of pressure on him too. You know, I think it. I think he needs to. The last show was not at the same level as the first couple shows, and I don't really know what's going on there, so I'm interested in sort of, like, getting a feel for that. And now that it's been out for a while, the cool thing is you see, like, the clients there. So you see, like, who's wearing it and who's wearing what and how are they wearing it and what's. What's really. What's really all happening there. That's what I can think of at the moment. The other Japanese brand that's really has a ton of buzz is a press or a press, say, and they just do a showroom here. But every men's store is buying it. Every. Every dude I know and every cool dude, you know, is Buying it and trying to buy it and wanting to buy it and talking about it. They're having a party this year with like a crazy lineup of DJs and like, really going for it, which is exciting and unusual.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm a big Orly fan.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. And yeah, the women's is as, as good as the men's, which is also, like, not something you see that much for a sort of newer brand.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I think. Well, you know what I went to, and I don't know if they're doing anything, but I went. I was in Copenhagen a few weeks ago and I went to the MF Pen store. It's a little young for me. I did get a pair of pants. Cause the pricing is just so good. And they were cute. But that brand is very interesting to me because the price point is so on the money. And then also it just feels like, I don't know if that guy can evolve it past what he does, which is like corp core or whatever. But it feels like there are a lot of sort of smaller menswear brands now that do have potential to scale. Pretty, pretty big. And I don't mean like giant, but have potential to scale. Do you feel like there are sort of more ambitious brands right now than maybe like they were inspired by the success of our legacy or what? I don't know.

[Noah Johnson]

I don't know either. I mean, it's not really the type of brand that I necessarily follow. I mean, there's no, for a long time, there's been sort of no, no middle, I feel, you know, which is not why our legacy is so strong. But I think it certainly helps, you know, you have sort of a crowded, busy, top end of the market. And then you have a. I'm not talking about like, price necessarily. I just mean you have sort of like large conglomerate corporate fashion, and then you have a million sort of indie brands to choose from. And then you have a middle, which is like, not a really necessarily interesting place to be. And there aren't that many players in that space, you know, and our legacy really, really owned it. I don't know what I, I, I'm trying to think of, like, what else even comes to mind.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, we have a lot more to cover, so we can just go. I mean, you're having a party on Wednesday.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. High Sabiety is having a 20th birthday party. Actually. It's the 20th anniversary of Haisnob, which is pretty amazing and was also. It's also the 20th anniversary of our legacy. Speaking of. And it's the 20th anniversary of Telfar and he just had that show in New York.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Noah Johnson]

Which just made me really feel like these 20 years and the impact and how much cool shit started 20 years ago. 2005 is obviously an interesting year for a lot of reasons, you know. Yeah. So we're having a party and launching a book. It's the second edition of a book with Gestalt and that we do. It's all about collaborations sort of over the years. It's pretty awesome. A lot of it was written by our friend Jian, who was an editor at High Stop years ago. It's really sick. And I'm psyched to be, you know, doing a party in Paris.

[Lauren Sherman]

So fun. Yeah, that's a really interesting point because it really is. The last 20 years is really when fashion became what the fashion industry became. The industry that we know it as.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

So it's. And the young brands, the big brands, the small brands, the medium brands. Tory Burch started around that time. So many like you, you name it. And. Or if they. They didn't start at that time, they became giant in the last 20 years. So it's a good. It's a good point. Someone should do. Do that book. Not me. Okay. I want to do a. Well, I'm excited to hear your take on all these shows on your social media, however you do it, but I want to do like a quick fire round of news from the past week. So the first thing is on Monday, I have a big piece about. I don't know if you heard, but Lauren Sanchez and Jeff Bezos are getting married on Friday.

[Noah Johnson]

Oh, great.

[Lauren Sherman]

In Venice.

[Noah Johnson]

Good for them.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm so happy for them. I wish them the best. I did a piece about Lauren Sanchez's relationship with the fashion industry because there's been. What is she wearing? Blah, blah, blah. I have the information in line sheet. Subscribe to find out. But I did want to give a hint and hear what you think about this, but Jeff Bezos is 99.9% gonna wear Dolce and Gabbana. A Dolce and Gabbana suit for the ceremony. I'm sure he has many looks and many outfit changes because they're doing. They're probably each changing 15 times because they're doing three days of events and different. Oh, oh, I forgot. I need to add this in. I heard that one of the events. The dress code is pajamas.

[Noah Johnson]

Well, I mean, sense for Dolce. That's like what Dolce does. Pajamas and tuxedos.

[Lauren Sherman]

So. So what do you think a of him wearing a Dolce suit. Obviously they're in Italy, but for his wedding. And B, what do you think of his style generally and how would you. What would you recommend to him in terms of brands and things?

[Noah Johnson]

I don't. I mean, you know, Dolce is Dolce. I'm not going to like, go for the low hanging fruit here. It's pretty, it's pretty gaudy. I mean, I think it's like famously for tasteless rich people, but, like, it's also some of the most beautifully made clothes in the world, if I understand it correctly. I mean, I've done quite a bit of coverage of Alto Sartoria. Is that what it's called?

[Lauren Sherman]

The one. Is that the men's one? Because the women's one is like Ulta.

[Noah Johnson]

Mode now.

[Lauren Sherman]

Ultimota Altamota. It's fabulous. It is.

[Noah Johnson]

Stuff is extraordinary. I hope he's wearing one of those suits and I think that's actually sort of perfect.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree.

[Noah Johnson]

But I would have probably steered him towards Armani if we're going to stay in this sort of zone. Like, Armani models generally are pretty buff and Bezos is famously pretty buff and the clothes are just beautiful. I mean, I saw that show today and I was, I was kind of in awe of it. So if I was going to, if I was. If it were like me and I wasn't going to get him like in Evan Connor, because I don't think neither him nor Evan would want that, then I would, then I would, I would call Armani, I think. And then, you know, he just looks like a guy in the midst of a midlife crisis, I think. Right. Like, style wise, he's like, he just has all, all the markings of that with the shaved head and the obsession with, with fitness and whatnot. And I can't think of anything too remarkable about his style. I just think about him sort of like on a yacht in some, like, board shorts, which seems about right.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I will say that it could be a lot more offensive than it is, totally. Given his situation and who he's become. I think generally the clothes are a little too tight, but yeah, that's an affliction of our entire nation.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. Most people.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, so next thing. Have you tracked this Carolyn Bassette Kennedy, Ryan Murphy stuff happening on social media?

[Noah Johnson]

The thing I saw was a bunch of people I know freak out over her. The cut of her skirt.

[Lauren Sherman]

And this one wasn't on the bias.

[Noah Johnson]

Which I thought was so great and just also spoke to this, like, era we live in where everyone's like, an expert at everything. I'm not saying they were wrong or anything like that. It just struck me as sort of funny that it's now, like, tainted the whole, like, reputation of this film. That. That that skirt wasn't cut right. Which, to be honest, details matters. And maybe it. Is it a film or a TV show?

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't even remember it's a TV show. I agree. And I think I actually did an interview last week with Ryan Murphy, and he's aware of the situation. I think. What. Essentially, he's aware of this. He's aware of the situation. He. In the interview, he listed out all the original things that they got. I. He said, do you want me to just read them to you? And I said, yes, because this is what people want to know, like, the exact things. I think the situation is that he has an amazing costume team that in any other circumstance, like, they've done Halston, they've done Versace. No one is looking at Gian Gianni Versace or Donatella versace clothes from 1996, being like, you didn't get the color of this item right. It's just not. It's. It's a very obsessive, specific situation where she has become an Instagram person that people don't really even realize she's dead. Like, it's just. It's very strange. And I think he was using a costume designer who does a beautiful job when you're not in this world. And. And so I think he understands the gravity of the situation. Also. I 100% believe this is gonna be the biggest thing that his company ever does because of the obsession. I was curious if you looked at the JFK clothes at all, because I gotta say, none of that bothered me. But I do wonder if it's because I'm not. When I see photos of them, I'm not really, like, looking at his clothes that closely.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, I don't. I haven't seen. But I imagine that that part is a lot easier to get right.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And the guy also just looks. The hair was right. The guy really kind of looks like JFK Jr. So it just feels like it's going to. And also, obviously, it's a guy, so it's not going to be as hard on him as they would be a woman.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, naturally. Yeah. I feel like it depends more on the accent.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Yes. Okay. So the other thing I wanted to briefly ask you about is these recent photos of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift. So did you see the last one? If not, I'll send It to you. He's wearing. I am curious from your perspective. So I took an interest in both of them, to be honest, when they started dating, because I felt like their style was really interesting, and I had stuff to say about it. He was obviously very into fashion, and. And here, let me. I'll text you this. And she is also interested in fashion in a way that I find a little bit hard to stomach, but also really enjoy because at least she's making an effort and doing something. And it's not boring. Like, it just looks so crazy. But. But I will say that I feel like his style. I'm. I think I'm out now. Like, this is just boring. He's wearing a. Do you understand? Is there some context of this US Socce button up that he's wearing? That is not that I don't understand, because I don't know anything about this stuff. Like, is it some sort of fashion piece that I don't. Because he used to be pretty into fashion, and I enjoyed his crazy looks, but this is just kind of in his hair. Like, what's up with all these guys with the ankle?

[Noah Johnson]

Socks are crazy in this photo.

[Lauren Sherman]

So what do you think's going on? Like, do you. Have you followed his style at all?

[Noah Johnson]

Well, over the years, I was at GQ when he really. When this kind of couple started, and so we covered it quite a bit there, and it seemed like he was very obviously working with a stylist. Like, he'd always be in some sort of little, little set. So I don't think any of it was ever personal. I gather that he either is no longer working with that stylist, or he and that stylist decided that, like, that. That sort of side mission into. Into, like, being a real fashion guy was not right for his personal brand. And he scaled it back because it was. It was a lot. I mean, he was like. Remember there was that when they went to the US Open with Patrick Mahomes, and they were both like. One of them was in, like, full product. One of them was in full Gucci with, like, a bucket hat and the camp shirts and all this, and you're just like, you guys look like total clowns.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I loved it. I loved it.

[Noah Johnson]

No, I mean, it's fun because he's, like, obviously such a dork and has no idea what any of that stuff is.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Noah Johnson]

But you know what Chris Black says about Taylor Swift is that she dresses, like, intentionally to make her to be more relatable. Or is this the Blake Lively thing? Or Is it the same? They're kind of the same to me. Like it's terrible. There's no taste there. There's. There's swag list. There's definition of swagless.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think there's taste. It's just bad taste. I, I don't think that they are trolling. I think that Taylor Swift in particular, and this is probably what Chris says does wear more affordable brands. Even if it's subconscious. She wants to feel like she's in. She is relatable. So I don't know if she's doing. She started to wear way more designer stuff like a lot of Gucci the last year. So I don't know. But I think honestly that Blake Lively loves clothes and she thinks she looks amazing. Taylor Swift has a stylist. Blake Lively doesn't and he does pull stuff for her day wear and things like that. But I just would say that this last look, Taylor is wearing like some sort of corset. No, I mean I don't think. Let's see.

[Noah Johnson]

It's not a Taylor brand. I thought I scanned the article and I thought Vogue was saying something was mew mew in there.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe, maybe there is a Miu Miu piece or Mew Mew shoes. The thing is she's the kind of person that you wouldn't know because she of the way she styles it. That skirt could be Mew mew. Let's see what it says here. Oh yeah, minis. Pale pink poplin miniskirt by Miu Miu. Yes. Like a cool girl wears that skirt. It's gonna look amazing. The corset is from Reformation. Again, a cool girl wears that. Gigi Hadid honestly wears either of these things. She's gonna look really good. She's not gonna wear them together. And this is what is wrong with Taylor. Also Taylor Swift has like a braid in her hair right now. I just. This picture made me not want to write about them anymore. Yeah, I mean, which is too bad because I really enjoyed. Enjoyed it. I love when Blake Lively wears anything. Last week she wore a hot like a checked rainbow colored suit and she just looked and then she put jeans on with the jacket and it actually looked fine, but she just looked. She didn't see insane. And I, I love it.

[Noah Johnson]

If we were the Travis Kelce. He does, he looks like he is in a mall in like 1998 in that image to me, like it's really. But I like the hair. It's almost like that kind of grown out bowl cut thing. And that particular Height of ankle sock with the Nike logo. I mean, but I don't even think. I don't think he's going for something sort of like, interestingly nostalgic in that way. But I mean, my question is, could Taylor Swift just, like, if she started dressing like Mary Kate or Ashley Olsen, which would it be? Could she even do it? Like, could she just change it up and just go a more tasteful direction? Can start wearing La Mer and all the kind of cool, tasteful stuff and, you know, arts and science and go shop it noodle stories or whatever and like. And turn it around and become like a. A taste queen. I don't know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let's hope not. No, I think there is actually an Instagram account that I don't remember the name that basically is like, this is what she should have worn.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And it's not. It's not veering in. In that realm. It's very. It's still very essence, like stuff from indie brands there, I think. Look, I enjoy it. I like that she dresses like a goofball because it's interesting. And at least she is not, as you're saying, sort of standardized in this way that a Kendall Jenner is or whatever. But that is part of the reason why this Travis look was depressing to me, because I was just kind of like, I don't have anything to say about this other than the fact that he just looks like a really boring guy and he doesn't seem bored. The one question I have for you.

[Noah Johnson]

But isn't that aspirational? Isn't that what girls want?

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe, but that's not fun to write about.

[Noah Johnson]

True.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, maybe she is encouraging him to just look like a dude on the golf course. I don't know.

[Noah Johnson]

He just bricked a fit. It happens. Everyone sometimes steps out one day and you're like, shit, I don't like this at all. I blew it. And now he's poor Travis Kells. You know, he has his fashion critics talking about it, and they're just like, I am over him and he just had one bad night out.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, he's a public figure. He needs to do better. So the final question.

[Noah Johnson]

I mean, I never think he looks cool, just for the record.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, he doesn't look cool. But does he look fun to talk about?

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah. Notable with those, like.

[Lauren Sherman]

Remember he did those imprinted jeans, those embossed jeans. So, final question. This bowl cut thing that I'm seeing on a lot of guys, do you think this is a real trend or is it because so many Guys are getting the hair implants in Turkey.

[Noah Johnson]

And wait, what would it have to do with the hair implants? Because I do think that that's happening, but because now they want to grow.

[Lauren Sherman]

It out or I think when they have. It's something about the hair implants that when you first get the hair implants, you have to keep your hair kind.

[Noah Johnson]

Of long and like that. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Not pushing the curves. The thing I don't understand is when you, when you get the hair implants, if you cut the hair.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

It doesn't grow back.

[Noah Johnson]

No, it does. I think they. They take like, living follicles and implant them.

[Lauren Sherman]

But then wouldn't it just fall out? Because those follicles are like, how does it. We need to look it up, Lauren.

[Noah Johnson]

I don't know, but I think it works. No, I think the idea is that your hair starts growing, but it depends on who in Turkey, I think you see, you know, in terms of what you get.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, I do think that that is a reason that these. There's some correlation between the bowl cuts and all the hair implies.

[Noah Johnson]

All right. But I also think men and their men have really been liberated by the tyranny of like, the classic men's haircut in the last, like, like in pretty recent times. And a lot of guys are doing, like, weirder, shaggier stuff. Not just like the TikTok mullety kind of stuff, but all kinds of variations of, like, things that look like you would. You would pay a lot of money to get and at a cool, like, Lower east side, non binary salon.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, really final question. Do you think that the rise of these hair implants is going to.

[Noah Johnson]

Go on?

[Lauren Sherman]

Is it going to end being bald like Jeff Bezos?

[Noah Johnson]

Like, everyone's gonna get some fucked up, like, infection and have to get all the hair removed?

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I mean, do you think that, like the next generation of billionaires.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, Jeff Bezos had to go bald?

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

But if he was 15 years younger, I mean, he went bald pretty early, so it would have had to be like, do you think he just would still have hair? Do you think that it's sort of like how GLP ones are making everyone skinny? Do you think everyone is going to have hair and you're not. It's not. It's going to be inexcusable to be bald?

[Noah Johnson]

Yes, absolutely. Definitely. Yes. I had a barber recently, like, my. I'm not really bald or balding. It's not. I mean, I'm an older, older fella. It's not. It's not great for me, but it's not bad. And I'll go to. I went to a barber recently who was like, trying to convince me that I needed to get hair implants.

[Lauren Sherman]

What? Do you have a bald spot back here?

[Noah Johnson]

No, I don't think so.

[Lauren Sherman]

Did he say something about recession?

[Noah Johnson]

No, he was just like, in general, like, every guy should do this, like, preventatively, I think.

[Lauren Sherman]

Does your dad have hair?

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think you're fine.

[Noah Johnson]

But I didn't. I don't give a shit about what this guy says. My point is this is like the way people are thinking. It's not about me, but it's about just this idea that, like, everyone and anyone should just do this. It's so good. It's not that expensive. You should just. Yeah, do it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's like every time I go to the dentist, they're like, you really need to get caps. You're totally fucked. And I'm like, nope, I'm good. I'm just going to have my little kitty cat teeth forever.

[Noah Johnson]

It's a scam. Like dentistry. Although I did just see that. Just kidding. I believe in modern dentistry.

[Lauren Sherman]

My friend. My friend Amanda Dobbins, the host of two podcasts on the Ringer, believes that modern dentistry is a scale.

[Noah Johnson]

Yeah, I've heard. I've heard this one quite a bit. I mean, I just can't believe it because of the money spent. But look, I. I did see that Zach Brian got hair implants. The country singer I like, and I thought that was pretty interesting. But he's young and he really needed it. Well, he seems to look okay, but he looks kind of like a dork now.

[Lauren Sherman]

Best of luck to Zach Brian. I'll look him up after this because I obviously don't know who he is.

[Noah Johnson]

It may lose.

[Lauren Sherman]

And Noah, best of luck to you. Congrats on your new gig. I'm so glad you're able to come on. Next time we'll do a full hour dedicated to Evan Connory.

[Noah Johnson]

Excellent. Looking forward. Thanks, Lauren. See ya. I'll see you this week.

[Lauren Sherman]

Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive Editor Editor Ben Landy and director of Editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.

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