Leah Chernikov (3:55)

Wow. Thank you for having me back, Lauren Sherman.

Lauren Sherman (3:58)

I'm really happy that we got to spend so much time together this week.

Leah Chernikov (4:02)

It was nice. It was very silly time.

Lauren Sherman (4:06)

Way more time than we normally get to spend.

Leah Chernikov (4:08)

What a treat.

Lauren Sherman (4:10)

Why? Why was that? Were you at more shows than you normally go to or.

Leah Chernikov (4:15)

No, I don't know. I just saw you more.

Lauren Sherman (4:19)

I know. It was fun. Wow.

Leah Chernikov (4:21)

So nice.

Lauren Sherman (4:22)

Good. We even got to sit together at one show.

Leah Chernikov (4:24)

I know, I know. It felt like a throwback. Who was it? It was just like, I know you.

Lauren Sherman (4:30)

Guys are friends, so I put you together. Oh, you know what? It was a twp. Yeah, because they were like. We put. Because Lynette Nylander, your co host of the Goodbye. That's right. And also a previous Fashion People guests, they need to have her on again. She went to sit down and they were like, no, no, no. We put Leia and Lauren together. Cause we know they're bff. You know who I got seated next to because I'm obsessed with him in a weird way at the Lee show was Brian Malloy. They were like chic. They were like, you're seated next to Brian. And I was like, Brian Baskin from BoF. Fine. And they were like, no. Brian Malloy. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so excited. You know, I love him. And so it was fun to get to sit. I sat with him and Danielle Goldberg at that show.

Leah Chernikov (5:21)

Oh, you were with the styling powerhouses.

Lauren Sherman (5:24)

Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (5:24)

Pretty chic.

Lauren Sherman (5:26)

Truly chicest. I mean, Charlotte Collette is pretty good too, but, like, they are, at least on the American side, the chicest. My. My two number ones in many ways.

Leah Chernikov (5:38)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (5:38)

Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (5:39)

Behold their impact. They're very, like, probably the two of the most influential stylists working right now.

Lauren Sherman (5:45)

And it was also cool to eavesdrop on their conversation that I will not be repeating.

Leah Chernikov (5:51)

Good, good.

Lauren Sherman (5:52)

It was not revealing, but it was just interesting to see how their minds work because they do very different things. But anyway, let's go back. You also went to Leigh. What did you think of the shows in general this season?

Leah Chernikov (6:04)

I felt like everything felt, like a bit laid back in a really nice way.

Lauren Sherman (6:08)

Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (6:09)

And just nobody seemed too stressed out. Maybe I wasn't. Who can say what the difference was? But I felt like they felt easy, and the clothes felt, like really kind of matched that vibe of being, you know, like, really providing, like, a. Like, an easy uniform in a lot of ways. But Lee felt really different and energetic to me, I really enjoyed that show. To me, that felt like the essence of, like, a New York show. Like a young designer. Some really colorful, really exciting shapes that seem different. I just. Yeah, felt like a jolt.

Lauren Sherman (6:49)

Yeah, I thought it was good. I really like Zane. I've been. I'm usually not a person who gets in early with designers. Like, I. I'm just not. I'm not, like, trek into the fifth floor, walk up studio to see someone. It's just not where my curiosity always lies. But for some reason, I got in on Zane Lee very early and have been going for several seasons to see it in the showroom. And I wasn't in town for the last Runway, but I just. His references are a. Like, I could feel when the first couple times I went to see it, I said, like, it. It reminded me of very early Jacquemus, but also, like, Raph Simmons. Like, there's a lot of color that he. It feels connected to, like, especially, like, Raph era Jill, that type of thing. And then obviously, there. There are other more. More straightforward references. But, yeah, I just. I agree. I like. I like that it's super sporty. I love his color sense and that it feels a little bit more in conversation with what's happening in Europe. And I like, he uses really unique materials that are pretty affordable. Like, really dry, stiff materials. And. And that's interesting, too. Like, the prices are really. So, yeah, I'm very excited to see what he can do and. And move forward. And I agree. I thought that, like, look, I struggled this week in that the reason for a fashion show, and I'll try not to go on a huge tangent, but, like, the value and the reason to do a fashion show, there are two reasons. One is if you are a giant brand and you use it as content. So you're. And you. You know, you could be a not giant brand and do that, but, like, the real value is in, like, Dior couture will be content for the whole year. Like, it was such a value. The. The value eked out of that couture show, in particular of all the Jonathan Anderson shows he's done, I think was incredibly high. It photographed really well. People were talking about it. There were trends set. The color was great. They'll be able to use that content all year long. The other reason is if you are a young designer that has a lot of ideas and you need to communicate them because you need someone to see the clothes, and they need to walk in the clothes. I would say that as everything else in our culture has polarized in the middle, the fashion show holds less value because it's just not the way that the consumer is really consuming fashion. They can look online and look at the images. It's hard if you're there to really see the. The value of the clothes on a Runway, if. If they're not super expensive or they're not super creative. And I find personally in New York, but this is honestly the case everywhere that, like, a lot of these clothes are gorgeous and they're really nice, and I think they'll sell well, but I do not think they should be a Runway show. And I thought Maria McManus has done a few very casual Runway shows over the last few years, and I'm a really big fan of her work and of her. I really like her as a person, so I try to go as much as I can. Season she showed in a gallery, like a home. Homeware gallery type thing, like, fancy one off. I don't. You know, it's not like it wasn't CB2, let me just say that. But it's like her neighbor's gallery on. On 11th Street. And I was just. Her collection was so good. It was honestly one of the best of the season. And I think it was better that she had a few models and they tried on what you wanted them to try on.

Leah Chernikov (10:49)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (10:49)

You could see the clothes, you could touch them. And for me, like, that is a much more valuable experience. And I had that with several designers. Colleen Allen.

Leah Chernikov (10:58)

Yeah, Colleen Allen showed the same.

Lauren Sherman (10:59)

That. Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (11:01)

And Adam Levishes the same way too.

Lauren Sherman (11:04)

Yeah. Like, I think I went up. The thing I wrote about on Monday were these second floor shops, which has become a big thing that I think. I mean, it's always been a thing, but it's really proliferated with Krista Sea. And I think that was sort of the start of it in Paris. She has this showroom and you go in and you shop and. But, but what a lot of these designers did this week was you could go like, Colleen Allen had old stock that you could shop. And then also she had a model and she had the new collection and you could pre order it, but you could also. It was like a mix of shopping and doing my job. And then Emily Dawn Long, the same thing. She showed me the new collection. She didn't have a model. She was just trying stuff on. She let me try some stuff on. And then she has this little sort of showroom boutique where I got a sweater and it was just a really nice experience. I did the same thing with old Stone trade, which doesn't have a full collection. But Melissa Ventosa Martin, who runs it, she showed me some prototypes of new trousers they're making and this half zip that she's going to sell. That's amazing. That you're definitely going to want. And I don't know, I felt like I was at the Puck Dinner on Thursday. Presented by Starbucks. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Leah Chernikov (12:25)

The pal of Fashion Week. Presented by Starbucks all of Fashion Week.

Lauren Sherman (12:27)

It was amazing. I think it was the way they did it was pretty smart. We could talk about it, but someone said to me there we were talking about Helmut Lang and Jill Sander and Calvin and how hard it is to sort of bring those brands to the real world now because everything is so like based on them. And this person was like, you know, Phoebe Philo is the new version of that. Like, that's where real women buy stuff. That's who they like. And. And I think that all these designers that I went to, I mean, they don't. Their clothes look nothing like Phoebe's. It wasn't. It's not about like a visual language, but it's this idea of like, you just want to go and try some nice stuff on and buy two things and mix it into your wardrobe. And that to me, just feels like much more the essence of, like, what is pleasurable in this culture versus having a Runway show of something that is perfectly nice clothing that you're not going to be able to see super closely. And then also, you know, you're competing with so much. Like, I. There were so many shows I had to. I think I canceled three shows this season, which I really try not to do because I had work to do, and they were back to back every. Every single day. And I don't know. I think that. I think that a lot of these designers just need to think about, like, why are they in this? And if they're in it to do a Runway show, then they have to have, like, they need to communicate an idea, because otherwise, it's not. The value of it now is people on the Internet seeing it and passing it around. And if you can't. If you can't get people to do that, because it's, like, just nice clothes that don't really travel aesthetically. Like, I don't think you should be having one. They're so expensive. Anyway, that's my rant. I'm done.

Leah Chernikov (14:27)

Rant. Rant over. I was just gonna say, you know, who had a big idea, which was kind of like. And you didn't go to this show, but in terms of meeting the criteria of what you would say deserves a Runway seven for all mankind? Like, I know.

Lauren Sherman (14:45)

Yeah. What was it? Did you go?

Leah Chernikov (14:49)

I did go.

Lauren Sherman (14:50)

Tell me about it.

Leah Chernikov (14:51)

I did go. It was. I sort of, like, walked out feeling like I'd been on a, like, circa 2008 Bender. But that was, like, kind of the point. I'm just looking up the. The new designer's name because I want to get it right. Nicola Brugnano. I guess he was at Blue Marine in Giambattista before. Anyway, it was just, like, he was very inspired by Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen during that time. Like, the kind of middle oughts, like, skinny scarves, lots of jewels, like, big platform heels. And it was really fun. And I. You know, I was looking around. There seemed to be a lot of young influencery types who seemed very enamored of it in the way that you can be if you didn't, like, live through it. Like, I. I felt like this.

Lauren Sherman (15:50)

Like.

Leah Chernikov (15:52)

Yeah, it just felt, like, almost, like, hungover. But also, it was, like, a very clear idea. It felt very, like, fun for the Internet. Fun for, I don't know, this sort.

Lauren Sherman (16:04)

Of.

Leah Chernikov (16:07)

Somebody to, like, you know, distill into a core for TikTok or whatever. So, yeah, it was fun.

Lauren Sherman (16:16)

I did see Lyanna Sattenstein, who. It's like she's the target audience for that show, posted. It did look really fun. I wish I could have gone there were. I feel like there was another show at that time, which maybe. Which was completely insane. Were you into that look?

Leah Chernikov (16:34)

No. I mean, you didn't. Didn't we know each other then?

Lauren Sherman (16:37)

No, we didn't meet until 2010.

Leah Chernikov (16:39)

Yeah, but like, that's still like trickles of that. No, I don't think I was. I don't think my style would have changed in those, like. Like three to four years. That much of you meeting me at Fashionista. But I think I did the light, I did the lifestyle a little bit.

Lauren Sherman (16:57)

I understand. Yes, yes.

Leah Chernikov (17:00)

And I did wear heels that I couldn't really walk in.

Lauren Sherman (17:03)

Yeah, I. I wore skinny jeans. But I was more into like, because I had moved from London, I was like, very into that, like, 80s, like, ironed, sort of. That sort of indie look. Hair ironed. Right. Vest and.

Leah Chernikov (17:31)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (17:32)

Like 80s earrings, that type of thing. But I think. I don't know when I got out of that.

Leah Chernikov (17:38)

I don't know how I would describe my look or influences at that time. I don't think I was really overthinking it. But I did notice, I think Anita Bitten posted this casting slideshow from right around that time, and I did notice how distinct the hair looked. And I was like, oh, is this what they are talking about when they're millennials and side parts? Because at that time, really, no one wore their hair parted straight down the middle, which most people do now. And it was just funny to look at it and be like, oh, yeah, like really not that many people did that. And it was a lot of really heavy side part of like, really kind of, I don't know, straight, straight, flat, ironed hair.

Lauren Sherman (18:30)

I have a question. Did you ever wear your hair split down the middle?

Leah Chernikov (18:35)

No.

Lauren Sherman (18:36)

And I, I.

Leah Chernikov (18:36)

What did I. Actually, I did just like, try it recently, but I really don't. I think I must have when I was little and I also had bangs.

Lauren Sherman (18:45)

Oh, okay. I never have. I occasionally now will do a slight sort of in the middle, less to the side. Yeah. But like, also, I am lucky that during this side, this middle part thing that happened, first of all, I ignored it. Thankfully not on TikTok. Didn't really only knew about it because of you. But also it was the same era when the, like, my hair was trendy on the Runway. So the same era of like matino yeah, the big, curly, long hair with a huge side part. Like, very 80s. So I just.

Leah Chernikov (19:27)

I didn't.

Lauren Sherman (19:29)

Yeah. Like, sometimes I'll wear a. I don't have a. I don't have a place. Like, I do my part in different places every single day, but sometimes I'll do, like, a little bit more of a. And when I got my hair blown out last week, the person did it more in the middle, and I had to, like, adjust it. So I was like, I'm not doing this with my hair blown out. But I just think it's funny. Rory Satron has a piece in Styles this weekend about. Or I guess I think it was on Sunday about the return of the side part. And she posted her doing a side part, and I was like, oh, I never even thought about the fact that she doesn't wear a side. I just. I don't.

Leah Chernikov (20:09)

Yeah, it's.

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Leah Chernikov (20:10)

It's just, like, the default way most people wear their hair now. And even, like. And I mean, I just.

Lauren Sherman (20:16)

Straight down the middle. Yeah. And. Yeah, middle part.

Leah Chernikov (20:19)

And it's not. It's not just that thing that's, like, the Clean girl, which is, like, the kind of extreme of that, like, Hailey Bieber phenomenon, where you're like, you know, like, I know from my friends who have kids, girls in middle school, like, this is still a very desirable look that takes time to achieve, like, getting the part, and it's getting slicked back and the bun with the middle part, you know, But I just let it all pass me by as well. But Lynette, at some point, we were about to film an episode of the Goodbye Back for Season three as we speak, and I asked her if my hair looked okay, and she was just like, I don't really understand a side part.

Lauren Sherman (21:00)

Really?

Leah Chernikov (21:01)

Yeah, I just don't. Like, I can't comment on that. Like, what is. I don't know what that thing is that you do.

Lauren Sherman (21:06)

I think it's so interesting because I just think, like, I know I don't think about it, like. Like, to me, it's like jeans. Unless you're wearing, like, a really crazy pair of jeans. All jeans look fine now. It's just a. You should wear the thing that makes your face look better. And I don't. I honestly don't know which would make my face look better. But it's easier with my hair. Yeah. Yeah, yours you should definitely wear on the side, but also with my, like, hair coarseness. I just think a middle part. That's, like, a lot of Work that requires. I just got a diffuser. I'm going to see if I can actually use it. That requires more work. I believe in you.

Leah Chernikov (21:48)

That's not that bad. I've done it before.

Lauren Sherman (21:51)

Sure. But, like, what I'm saying is, if I was to wear a side part, it has to be, like, all symmetrical, whereas, I mean, a middle part. Whereas with side parts, like, my hair can just be. I can, like, put a little water in it and fix it, you know?

Leah Chernikov (22:04)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (22:04)

I don't know. Anyway, back to the shows. So what else did I really like? I thought Marc Jacobs was super great, and I thought it was. I thought Colleen Allen. And we love Colleen Allen, was really great. She's really. She's really, really good. It's good. And I hope that she figures out how she wants to use that skill, because, again, like, I had Lauren Fernando from Monserrat, previously Vas de la Renta on last Friday, and I said to them on the episode, I was like, why are you guys doing this? Like, it's just insane. Like, anyone who's like, I'm going to do a f. I'm going to launch a fashion brand. It just. It makes literally no sense on any level. And she's extremely talented and seems to be being, like, very careful about how she builds it. But, like, I am just curious because she could be someone in five years that works at a big house in Europe if she wanted to be. I thought that that was really great. I also really liked Altu Zara, and it reminded me of you, for sure.

Leah Chernikov (23:17)

Yeah. You know, it's like one of my. I think I still have a piece from the first collection. I've loved it since day one. It's very, like, just always feels like what I want to wear. But in that same way, like, Colleen Allen really feels like one of those brands to me now. Just stuff that you gravitate towards. And we talked about TWP and how sharp and good it is too. Just. Yeah, this sweater that I'm wearing, which, anyway, it's twp. I wear it almost every day. It's just very, very good stuff.

Lauren Sherman (23:51)

One thing I wrote in my. In my report was, like, if you're gonna have a fashion show for a brand that, like, doesn't really need to have a fashion show, you have to do it like twp because they. The styling's amazing.

Leah Chernikov (24:04)

The casting.

Lauren Sherman (24:05)

Clothes look great. The casting is good. They had a really gorgeous set. The cookie that they gave out, I forget the store, but it was really delicious. And also the Clothes get better every season. Yeah, it was so good. Some Brooklyn place. But I think, like, I'm. I don't mind going to that show because it's like, it's. It reminds me, honestly, of like, a newer kind of Ralph Lauren type thing. Like, I. I really like. I think she. She's super talented. Trish Westcoat Pound. And. And also, I don't know, it's just so elegant. And I went to see Todd Snider on Friday, and I think he said his daughter is working at TWP now, which was interesting because I mentioned it to him because it, like, felt like his brand and TWP are sort of complementary to each other. They're just like, really nice, elegant clothes. And a lot of people. I thought Karlmeyer was really beautiful, too, and the materials and fabrication she's using, it was gorgeous. And that was the first show I had ever been able to go to because usually I'm gone already by the time she shows. But it was. I was able to make it and I thought it looked really, really nice. And the embroidery and stuff, it was. It was really pretty.

Leah Chernikov (25:25)

Yeah. Yeah. And I loved. I. I think you were gone for Diotima, which I really loved as well. I think it was, like a cool progression with the kind of, like, texture she's using and shapes, and it felt like a nice coda to everything.

Lauren Sherman (25:42)

Yeah, I was gone, but I did see the photos and I thought it looked really, really good.

Leah Chernikov (25:47)

And the first lady of New York was there, which was also very cool.

Lauren Sherman (25:51)

I heard. Yes, I heard. I saw her boots, which she seems to really enjoy. She seems to really like it.

Leah Chernikov (25:58)

She's a real woman of the people. She wears her clothes.

Lauren Sherman (26:01)

She's a real Brooklyn girl.

Leah Chernikov (26:02)

That's right.

Lauren Sherman (26:03)

What else? I loved at Caslada, as always. And let's talk a little bit about Starbucks, but because. So they did Eckhouse, they did Kalina Strada, they did call Meyer. And then there was, I think, one more show that they. That they sponsored, but they. It was interesting because they. So they had coffee backstage at Eck House. Certain seats had gift cards, like, very. That was only certain seats, apparently. Yes, that's what I heard. I don't know if that's. I can't confirm that.

Leah Chernikov (26:34)

Actually they all did. It's just. Maybe some people swiped him because they were.

Lauren Sherman (26:39)

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. But anyway, I thought, like, look, these shows used to be sponsored by Maybelline or whatever, and I'm sure they still are sometimes. But as the Water culture. Yeah, water Evian. No, Evian wouldn't do it. Probably Dasani. But you know, Fuji water sponsored fashion people once. I'd love to have them back.

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You are so unique. Oh, I love water.

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Lauren Sherman (29:04)

So anyway, I don't. I thought Starbucks is like such a Y2K brand in so many ways and the. The sort of. As the sort of value of a fashion week has changed. They are obviously like the Devil wears Prada is coming out. I feel like Starbucks is like very much in the culture right now and they. They partnered with cool brands and brands that like Ekhouse. Being into Starbucks, I totally get it. It doesn't feel. And it wasn't like, hokey or anything. It was just like, everybody wants a Starbucks gift card. Everybody needs coffee backstage. I thought it was smart the way they sort of embedded and. Yes, we did.

Leah Chernikov (29:48)

It really wasn't intrusive at all.

Lauren Sherman (29:50)

But.

Leah Chernikov (29:51)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (29:51)

No, no. And I would just say, like, from my experience with them, it has been really nice. The reason I do these private dinners is people want to. They want to network and they want to meet. Like, Starbucks wants to meet brands and executives that they might work with someday. So it's, like, about getting deals done and things like that. And so that was fun. And I felt like it was a really effective dinner, and I didn't feel like it was. It was great. And then. And then we did a podcast with Daniella, which was like, the perfect thing to do because she was sponsored by them. I was doing this dinner by them. And then she's someone that was on my list to have on the podcast. So we did this fun podcast at Chelsea Otel. So it was. I don't know. I think that they are. I think it's a smart way. And I. More brands should try to embed in Fashion Week like that.

Leah Chernikov (30:46)

Like, yes, those designers all need that kind of help. So it was nice.

Lauren Sherman (30:52)

It's too bad they didn't sponsor the 7 for Man All Mankind show, though. That would have been the. The real thing. Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (30:59)

Though I. Who owns set? I don't know. It's like, who owns seven? I was just trying to think that, like, the independent designers, like, I think they always can use help putting on a show if they're gonna do one. So that's really nice that that happened here.

Lauren Sherman (31:11)

Write it. I assume a private Equity firm owns 7. Let's ownership. Let's find out anything else from the shows because we should move on.

Leah Chernikov (31:19)

Okay. Trying to think.

Lauren Sherman (31:23)

Delta Galil Industries do. Yeah. What do you mean? Israeli apparel manufacturer. Yeah, it makes sense. It's like a 7th Avenue type vibe.

Leah Chernikov (31:33)

Yeah. Nothing's coming to mind. Which means nothing because that's my.

Lauren Sherman (31:37)

You know what? We had a really nice dinner at Lee Wine Bar.

Leah Chernikov (31:41)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (31:41)

On Saturday night.

Leah Chernikov (31:42)

Phenomenal.

Lauren Sherman (31:42)

I mean, Friday night, it was so good. We had a great time.

Leah Chernikov (31:46)

The food was incredible.

Lauren Sherman (31:47)

Erica Cerulo.

Leah Chernikov (31:48)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (31:49)

So good. And I have to say, as much as I love ASAP Rocky and won his fashion brand, Don't Be Dumb, which I believe is what it's called to excel. I'm glad I didn't go to that and was with you all instead, because it's very nice. Yes. It was so fun. Okay, so let's talk Independent Spirit Awards. This is really the one time where the big giant brands don't aren't the, aren't dominant. And so there were a lot of, there were a lot of cool clothes on Saturday or Sunday night whenever it happened. And I was curious what your take was. What were your favorites from the Indie Spirits Awards?

Leah Chernikov (32:29)

Yeah, I'm gonna pull it up again. I do think it's nice that like the Independent Spirit Awards and independent designers sort of, you know, have their moment together. Feels like a symbiotic like Tessa Thompson and Kalina Strada. I thought that was really nice.

Lauren Sherman (32:47)

Yes.

Leah Chernikov (32:49)

But we were talking about, I think Rose Byrne wearing M.M. loewe, which is obviously I don't think of like as an indie brand, but I think of like those, those guys as sort of like I still in my head think of them as coming from an independent New York place.

Lauren Sherman (33:09)

Yes. And the other big thing is, and I'm going to write about this more in depth in the next week or two, I just haven't had time to do the reporting. But it's really hard for even the brands that are owned by the big houses that aren't if you're not Louis Vuitton, Dior, Gucci. And I'm trying to think there's, there is another one. Oh, Chanel. It's hard to get clothes on people. Right.

Leah Chernikov (33:34)

To do those customers.

Lauren Sherman (33:35)

And they don't have the budget. Yeah, yeah. And they don't have the budget. Dior has I think like 20ambassadors and they're all cool. They're cool people who are in independent films. So it's much harder if, even if you're like a Bottega or Valentino, which also had a big presence at this award show, to. Get clothes on people. So I think, and prominent people. So I thought like that was the really nice thing about it. And I also thought that, I just thought everyone looked great. There's someone named Erin Dougherty who I don't know, but she wore Lee. It was Zane Lee, which we were just talking about, which looked great.

Leah Chernikov (34:16)

And completed Works.

Lauren Sherman (34:17)

Yeah, and completed Works, the London based jewelry brand. I also love Kirsten Dunst in Valentino. She's been wearing Valentino a lot and I think she really pulls it off. And it, it looked gorgeous.

Leah Chernikov (34:28)

It's such, such a good pairing them together.

Lauren Sherman (34:32)

I thought, yes, it's so good. I hope that that's like a long term thing. And she, because she has amazing style and she. Every time she wears something I want it. Which is nice. I also loved Rebecca hall and Jill Sanders. She looked great. That's another brand that like, it's not Greta leaves with Dior, you know, like these. It's harder to be able to get placed on people, so. And obviously Amy Madigan and Bottega looked great as well.

Leah Chernikov (35:02)

Yeah. And I just, I always like Jenny Slate. I think I just like her a lot as like a. For what she does. But I think her style is always cute and always a little more see through than I expect, like sexier. She's a Maltuzara and I thought she looked really nice.

Lauren Sherman (35:17)

She looked, her bod looked amazing. Nina Haas and Simone Rocha. David Johnson. David Johnson in Loewe looked great. I love the new Love campaign. Did you see it, Missy? It's fab. It's really, really good. It's one of the. I'm also going to do a top 10 ranking of the campaigns and I have a special guest on in a couple of weeks to discuss campaigns specifically. So if any of you have thoughts on the campaigns, please message me. Most of them are bad, so I don't even know if we're going to be able to do a top 10. We'll be able to do a top five.

Leah Chernikov (35:57)

We did these kind of things back in the very early bloggy days, you know.

Lauren Sherman (36:02)

Yeah, of course. A lot of the stuff I do. Yeah, a lot of the stuff I do is about the early bloggy days. It's very, very.

Leah Chernikov (36:12)

No, I don't.

Lauren Sherman (36:13)

Not, not much about my life has changed. Leah.

Leah Chernikov (36:17)

That's sort of true.

Lauren Sherman (36:19)

This is true. It's true.

Leah Chernikov (36:21)

I'm like, I can't find the new campaign from 26.

Lauren Sherman (36:26)

Yeah, it's brand new. If you just go on Instagram. No, you know, Leia, the only thing that's changed is that if someone dies, I don't have to write a post in 35 seconds. Still on the hook. Just have extra time.

Leah Chernikov (36:42)

Just a little.

Lauren Sherman (36:43)

I would say my boss would say I'm not on the hook, but I'm mentally on the hook. I know my boss would be like, you're not on the hook for anything. But I would be like, I'm on the hook in my mind.

Leah Chernikov (36:53)

Yeah, you're always on the hook of your mind.

Lauren Sherman (36:57)

I love it. You stop everything.

Leah Chernikov (37:00)

I know.

Lauren Sherman (37:00)

It's true. It's true. The best thing that ever happens is if someone dies and I have to stay in my house all Sunday at work.

Leah Chernikov (37:09)

Let's maybe rephrase that.

Lauren Sherman (37:12)

Okay. I think it's fine. Campaign. The campaign. You were.

Leah Chernikov (37:18)

Oh, yeah, yeah, I see it. It's very nice.

Lauren Sherman (37:20)

It's so great. What I really like about it, it's really warm and everything this season has felt very cold and flat and it's just. Let's see. Let's pull up some credits of who Jody Barnes styled it. Let's see who photographed it. Who shot that campaign. Leah.

Leah Chernikov (37:42)

Whoa. Let's see. I'm on a wwd, so it should tell me It's a fine art photographer.

Lauren Sherman (37:52)

Natalia Chetrit. Yes, it looks good. Like, it's really nice. And I think it also just shows the clothes off. Like, I really want this green blazer. It looks. I think it's super nice. Karina Creative Directed by Karina Frey and Stephanie Barth Karina Frey and Stephanie Barth. That's who were the creative directors on it. It was Frey Barth, I guess is their agency. I thought it was. It's real nice and, you know, we're happy for them.

Leah Chernikov (38:29)

The green blazer looks amazing.

Lauren Sherman (38:31)

I really want it. I think it. I think I have to get it. It's very my.

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Lauren Sherman (40:12)

Really wanted to quickly discuss. Have you watched Love Story? Everyone's talking about it. I need to figure out how to write about it. How have you all been writing about it at at Bazaar?

Leah Chernikov (40:22)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (40:23)

How have you all Been writing about.

Leah Chernikov (40:24)

It at Bazaar going, you know, full pulse form on it because it's something that feels very, you know, right for bizarre her like I feel like her 90s style and bizarre is kind of the way bizarre set the tone for 90s fashion and 100% like they are simpatico. So I feel like it makes a lot of sense for us. I've just started watching it before we got on and you know, obviously there was a lot of uproar based on the kind of photos that were being taken as the show was filming about, you know, that her hair color was all wrong, her style was all wrong and so far seeing it on film or whatever I'm. You know, it does feel. It does not feel as jarring as it looked on those street photos. And I agree she is really beautiful. Sarah Pigeon and people are really obsessed with that guy. What's the actual name?

Lauren Sherman (41:26)

Who cares?

Leah Chernikov (41:28)

Some people do.

Lauren Sherman (41:29)

He was. And he wore a really nice little Celine outfit the other day that he looked good in. Yeah, I mean everyone I who has watched it is like really enjoying it and and said it's really fun to watch. I might download it because I have a flight that leaves here at 11am on Friday and lands in Paris at 7am which is hilarious. Which means I'm not gonna sleep. So I and I won't have to work because it's Friday afternoon. So I mean I guess I could. Yeah, I guess I could start to write but I'll write Mondays on Sunday.

Leah Chernikov (42:08)

On the Paul Anthony Kelly is his name.

Lauren Sherman (42:13)

Congrats to him. But anyway, I want to watch it and I agree. I think like from everything I've heard people are not. They really kind of figured out the wardrobing stuff. I know there are a lot of auction houses. Cassandra Gray wore her.

Leah Chernikov (42:29)

Yeah. Her suit.

Lauren Sherman (42:30)

Yoji suit. To Kate.

Leah Chernikov (42:32)

To Kate. I know.

Lauren Sherman (42:33)

And I was like I really need a little skirt suit very badly.

Leah Chernikov (42:37)

I know. Props to Faren Trencyl who told me about it. I had no idea otherwise.

Lauren Sherman (42:41)

She. Yeah, Faren linked to me, sent me the link and we're gonna include. Include it on the Tuesday email. But yeah, I think it's. It's gonna be a fun thing. I'm kind of glad that it's not been as nutty as. As it was in the lead up because it was super stressful to deal with. Everyone should read my Ryan Murphy. I believe it's a two part Q& A with him because he.

Leah Chernikov (43:04)

I really enjoyed it.

Lauren Sherman (43:05)

Someone in his inner circle was like you should talk to her. Because the people in the industry who read this, they'll like, they'll actually pay attention if she writes that you went to her. Yeah. Shout out to Ryan Murphy for putting the right people, like, having the right people around him. It was a fun interview, but anyway, it was super stressful and I'm glad that it's okay. There's one more thing I wanted to ask you about, Leia.

Leah Chernikov (43:33)

What was it?

Lauren Sherman (43:34)

How are you feeling about diamonds in 2026?

Leah Chernikov (43:37)

Oh, yeah. I have gathered that you and some of our friends feel the pull towards them. I don't know if that's about our age or just some kind of midlife magnetic pull, but I don't know. I'm not there. Should I be?

Lauren Sherman (44:00)

Why aren't you there? You're just not. You just don't find them attractive for you?

Leah Chernikov (44:06)

No, I do. I just am not thinking that way. I barely can think like a day. I still have like a really little kid. I can't. I don't know. I would love some, but I'm just like, sure.

Lauren Sherman (44:17)

I was already thinking about this stuff by the time my kid was your kid's age, but I also only have one and I'm more selfish than you. So here's the thing. Hard luxury is really where it's at right now. If you look at Richemont's earnings, they own Cartier and Van Cleef and Arpel. It's wild. Like jewelry. Bulgari is doing really well for lvmh. Tiffany's doing really well for lvmh. Boucheron's doing really well for Kering. If you, if you have a lot of money and you're kind of sick of everything that's out with handbags and soft luxury, as they call it, you're gonna buy like a hundred thousand dollar necklace. And there's also, I think as I've gotten older, I'd rather just buy one really nice thing that I have forever than buy a bunch of little things or whatever. And it feels like a real investment. Like it can go up in value.

Leah Chernikov (45:12)

Are you like wanting to buy something that you'll wear every day?

Lauren Sherman (45:16)

Yeah, look, I. I want to.

Leah Chernikov (45:18)

And what is it? Is it earrings or is it a necklace or what do you. What are you thinking?

Lauren Sherman (45:22)

Maybe, maybe both. So let's pre. Let's preference with. I do not own a lot of jewelry. I own one very nice solid gold chain and I own one very nice watch. And my engagement in wedding ring combo is not like it's not worth insurance it's like was under. I don't. I. My. They were very affordable. Like I'm not, I'm not a fancy jewelry person because I don't know, it just has never been a thing. And I wear a lot of Sophie Buhai sterling silver, which I love and have is still an investment. But like a lot of the pieces I have from her cost under 500 bucks. Like it's not, it's not wild. I don't know. I just feel like I have a lot of nice silver. I have these. I have a gold chain and earrings from Danielle Sherman. I have a very nice watch that's silver and gold combined. I just feel like I want a pair of diamond earrings and potentially a diamond necklace. But obviously love it for you. Yeah, but, but it's interesting. So I went to Sophie. Sophie Billabry. Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (46:34)

We don't really somebody many people will.

Lauren Sherman (46:38)

Come to correct that seems right. But I really like that stuff. It's really beautiful. And we have some friends who have bought stuff and I like that it's, you know, I like all these brands that it's like a family owned business or whatever and, and it's local and it has its very own specific aesthetic. I don't think that I'm gonna go there. Definitely not going there with a necklace. But like I would maybe buy a pair of earrings or something. I, I'm, I'm trying to figure out. Our friend Britt suggested I go to Grays in London and just get like a pair of anti earrings or something.

Leah Chernikov (47:17)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (47:18)

But I just think like this is the year for diamonds. If you're going to buy them.

Leah Chernikov (47:22)

Why? Because the prices are going to like shoot up or I would say no.

Lauren Sherman (47:26)

I just think it's like, it's what's in the. What people are in the mood for. It just feels like it's a year of diamonds. Like you all should do a big spread of diamonds when you have to do your jewelry spreads like I want to.

Leah Chernikov (47:39)

We do do them.

Lauren Sherman (47:41)

I know you do them to Miguel and Morado. Miguel. I'm going to talk to Miguel at the shows when I'm like mooching a ride off of him from some weird location in Milan and be like, I need a huge diamond spread. Like really?

Leah Chernikov (47:54)

I'll tell you, I was. I, I still think I still want like, you know, my nice big girl watch. And I think that's what I'm thinking about for like I wanted to get myself one when I turned 40 and I didn't. And so maybe.

Lauren Sherman (48:09)

Well, Peter should have gotten it for you, but it's fine.

Leah Chernikov (48:12)

Oh, I think what I. What I want. And, you know, he's a teacher. We're not gonna do anything crazy here, but I can.

Lauren Sherman (48:19)

You can. You can get really nice watches on the secondhand market for a couple thousand bucks.

Leah Chernikov (48:25)

Yes, I want a tank. I always have. I really like.

Lauren Sherman (48:27)

You should get one for sure.

Leah Chernikov (48:30)

And, you know. Okay, so one last little call out to the Goodbye. Our first guest this season is Alexa Chung, who feels like, you know, a perfect person for the show, like I. And also when we think about not just Y2K, but, like, specifically, like, 2008, like, if we're thinking about that time, seven for all mankind. But Alexa Chung was very, very. I feel, like, dominant in terms of, like, the influence her style had at that time, but always and forever. And she's so charming. And, um, but she talked about how when you get older, someone was telling her, she said she was trying on diamonds, and it never felt, to your point, like I wanted this. And then she. I was trying some on on a shoot, and she was like, oh, I think that I like these.

Lauren Sherman (49:16)

See, I know I told you.

Leah Chernikov (49:18)

But also, she was saying that she. Oh, and she was. James Caliardos was doing her makeup, and he was saying that women after a certain age like them because the light goes out of your face, and diamonds bring the light back to your face. So there you go.

Lauren Sherman (49:36)

That's interesting. Oh, I see it. Yeah, it's true. I think you need them too. Leia.

Leah Chernikov (49:42)

Okay.

Lauren Sherman (49:42)

Do you have. Do you have any diamonds?

Leah Chernikov (49:45)

You probably do. The light is gone from my face. I mean, I. You know, I also. We had, like, I have diamonds in my engagement and wedding band. There's small guys and probably a little things on these. This little. This little foundry charm I always wear. But, yeah, not a ton. And I need to get my engagement ring fixed, actually, which has diamonds in it. So Anita. Anita Ko. I will be calling.

Lauren Sherman (50:13)

I guess my Anita Ko did your engagement ring. That's chic. Yeah.

Leah Chernikov (50:17)

Yeah. And I wore. Thank you. To Maria Duenas Jacobs. These, like, incredible little, like. Like sticks. Dangly sticks. Diamonds that were like, these $20,000 pair of diamond earrings. And I was really nervous and then also forgot about it, and it just looked fab.

Lauren Sherman (50:38)

Well, what I would say is if. If you have money to spend in here. To quote a pretty woman, I had a really nice time going and having an appointment with Michelle at Sophie Brilla Bra. Brilla Brae.

Leah Chernikov (50:52)

I feel like the first time maybe you did it better the reason being.

Lauren Sherman (50:57)

That it's in this beautiful space on the Upper east side. You just go up. I tried on a bunch of stuff. I had a piece of chocolate. I took a bunch of photos of myself. The lighting is really. It's bright but really nice and it was just so fun.

Leah Chernikov (51:12)

Yeah.

Lauren Sherman (51:13)

I don't know if you are on the hunt, I suggest going up there and checking it out. It's another second floor shop. Like my whole life in New York was all about going to second floor shops or like fifth floor shops or whatever.

Leah Chernikov (51:28)

I just think Honor C is like that. I'm trying to think what else fits the bill.

Lauren Sherman (51:32)

I said in line sheet when Phoebe Filo starts opening shops I really think they should consider doing a second floor because it's just like so it feels so special. And what one of the people at Sophie said was that like one day they were there, they're by appointment. They were just open on a Sunday and people came just to pop it. And so it is a. It doesn't. If you're looking for foot traffic look. I mean it's not sunk. What's that West Coast Plaza. What's that place called? That's like the. We did a. Sarah did a story Coast Plaza. It's not South Coast Plaza in terms of foot traffic or whatever but it is like if you're a cool brand it's a nice way to. To do it. And also obviously the space up second floor is more affordable. But there's something. It felt it was really special. I had a really nice time in New York shopping and not even buying that much stuff but like just seeing new things. Yeah. Yeah. It was really, it was really nice.

Leah Chernikov (52:41)

And I do think like yeah, you may have to go to the second floor to do that. Like when you think about. I think about like what Broadway and Soho looks like and for a shopping experience that does feel special like yeah, maybe you have to go up to floor two.

Lauren Sherman (53:00)

Yeah, you know, same Phoebe. Just consider it.

Leah Chernikov (53:05)

I'm sure they're listening.

Lauren Sherman (53:08)

I'm sure one of them is. They're taking. They're definitely going to listen now. Leah, this was so fun. I'm so glad I got to spend so much time with you. I'll see you in May, but we'll talk before then.

Leah Chernikov (53:21)

Yes. Have a great flight. I hope you enjoy Love Story. And please keep us updated on your diamond journey.

Lauren Sherman (53:29)

I will. Well, I don't want to keep people too updated because I don't want to get robbed. Just kidding. It's not going to be it's not going to be expensive diamonds this month.

Leah Chernikov (53:38)

Okay. All right, we'll talk soon.

Lauren Sherman (53:40)

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